Great review as always, I love this channel. Between Chris, Lara and Chad you have one of the best teams on UA-cam. Never boring or condescending, well done.
This dude knows how to explain, and does it really-really well in deed. Looking very much forward to the long term review on this bike. Might be my next bike if it's that good as claimed to be.
Using a 300 rally after a 950 adventure, I'm certainly tempted by the T7, I like off road, nothing too gnarly but i like getting the distance done as well, love the Rally as its comfy on road, but miss the oomph of a bigger engine.. the lighter T7 is swaying me to at least try one.... looking forward to more on this bike. Great 1st review. Thank you
I can't wait for you to spend more time on it as well...and share your experience. I'm contemplating getting one of those (regular T7 though). Your input had always been extremely valuable Chris. Thank you
Let’s gooo!! Super excited to see what you end up doing to your Extreme, Chris. My ‘21 T7 is just my absolute favorite bike and I love taking it out on big road trips and fast gravel roads just as much as I do in tight trails. Fingers crossed the Extreme comes out to the US market! 😅
Great choice of bike...the T7 is a superb bike! And the T7 Extreme is a great progression from the already excellent base model. Had mine since 2019 and love it. Looking forward to seeing what you do with your new bike. Cheers Steve
I’ve had a world raid for the best part of a year now! I’ve ridden it all over the winter mainly on trails and off road because I’m lucky enough to live in Wiltshire where there are a LOT of narly By Ways, and with out doubt, I’ve never had a bike which makes me smile as much as this one! I put Pirelli Scorpion XC’s on it and made some clicker adjustments to the suspension to cope with my 90kg’s and it transformed the off road behaviour. You soon get used to hustling the weight about, but nothing detracts from the fun factor 10 feeling you get from riding it! The extreme version is going to be a winner for sure!
I have a 2023 T7 and I would say please don’t criticise this bike unless you have ridden one, I ride mine hard!! In some of the most challenging Devon lanes, it’s phenomenal and Chris hit the nail on the head that I can go ride this bike to the ends of the earth park it up and it will do it the next day again and again and again it’s relentless unlike ALL of my ktm’s that have failed one way or another I just cannot kill this bike, I find the suspension is fine the breaks are fine the handling is incredible and you will not know your on a 200kg bike apart from you will ache a bit more than your mates the next day. Anyway go get a Tenere get some better tyres on it and go ride whatever and wherever your heart desires
@@___SSS___ that's why I don't understand they haven't covered that bike once on the channel. Same goes for many other channels. what's up with that? Yamaha pays them not to??
Awesome riding, really shows that this bike has more potential than the average ADV-rider could or will output ...as it is. This is how the T7 should have come to the market in 2019 ☝😁. Thanks for Your cool reviews and vids. 🍺👍
Wish we had the improved models here in the states. We only get to buy the base model here. Just in the video you can see a completely different look to how the bike handles with the suspension. I would have bought the extreme this yr but now i have to mod the base model.
As much as its great having yet another version of a Tenere 700 , some of us are still eagerly awaiting a Tenere 900 ! Yamaha pull your socks up and get it done already. 120bhp , IMU, Tenere with Cruise control and blue tooth. I cant think of a better globe trotter. Comon already .
Hi Chris, it seemed that the back suspension kept bucking you over? Assuming you haven't had a chance to play with the clickers or something up with the rear suspension?
Ah that was me goofing around firing the rear end into the front of those bumps to make it do that. It did have pretty fast rebound under normal riding when I first got on it, but added 4 clicks of rebound to the shock and it was much better.
Seriously considering trading the gs for one of these. A trip last year abroad made me realise the same I want to spend more time off road . The GS did do it and it was fun plus a lot of work . The deeper into it I got the more i wanted to go but just not with the big bus. Also to top it off in today’s money the 700 is a cheap bike for its capability.
I keep wanting a bike like this but then I go and ride my klx300 and remember I dont really need or want it. What I would like is a sub 350lb 450cc proper single cylinder dual sport with long maintenance intervals and good suspension. These huge bikes become a danger to most of us offroad. I find its not uncommon for me to get stuck in snow and mud and I wouldnt be pulling this bike out of that. Imagine going for a ride by yourself and getting pinned under 450lbs... These manufacturers need to get their heads in the right space and give us what we want and need.
Proper enduro bikes are much more like what you appear to want. When used for "normal"/weekend riding you canb go much further without needing to do maintenance. The maintenance schedules for pucka enduro machines are the sort of intervals you would be following if you were competing, not trail riding. A big sump (pre 2016?) KTM 450 or 500 would probably be close to ideal for you.
Looks and sounds very promising. However, most likely will wait a year or two at least before taking the plunge, if at all. The biggest hurdle these days is the sky rocketing prices and now insurance is doing the same!!! For the first time since the late 90’s and early 00’s my bike cost more than my car to insure?!?!
I'd disagree, the last ride I did (500km) there was nowhere straight enough or long enough that I could have used cruise , it pretty much all needed constant throttle adjustments. Fair enough if you want to do big miles on the tarmac, but that's not what the T7 is for.
I ride a T7 world raid and I only ride on the roads and it's very comfortable.i ride with panniers on and the bike has no problems at all, the suspension is kyb and fully adjustable front and rear and it also has a steering damper which helps make the bike feel lighter.
Always love Chris's videos really interesting an honest opinions. 👌 loving my T7 I just got as a beginner Trail Rider for dad an I, who's got stage 3+ advanced prostate cancer ended up selling my fireblade I'd had since 2011 to suprise him with the T7 to share. Ours is a 2020 T7 with the + 40mm Rally seat. One thing I couldn't understand on this new version was the lack of the optional bash plate that Yamaha do when the cosmetic Rally gets it. Be ace to see how you get on with it, the one exhaust hangers a weak spot, I've been looking at the hp corse, mivv and the Camel but prefer not to cut the frame so looking at the hp corse an mivv even though ours has got an Akro on it. Just fitted a Camel Gut Guard to ours which is an absolute work of art for an engine guard. Looking forward to following the series. I've had the himmy, 390, 300 Rally an for my trail riding I'm preferring the Tenere 700 for the reasons you mentioned, makes for a much better road bike as well, but capable when you need It. I'm actually finding I prefer the T7 to the 300 Rally on the trails the suspension on the 300 Rally was dreadful an the torque on the cp2 super helps.
As a T7 owner I wouldn't want tubeless setup. As mentioned in the video when you add more speed to a heavy bike, rims get bent when you smash into stuff at speed. a tubeless would have been a nightmare for me. I would have been on tubes eventually.
@@brianpostlethwaite Considering a lot of these will mainly see road with a bit of trail riding, it wouldn't be a bad idea to offer a tubeless rim with 19 inch front option. I was eyeing one up as a commuter due to the Ten being tall and narrow, but tubed tyres and unimpressive brakes means I'd have to spend a packet on mods and still not match what a KTM SMC offers out the box.
@@pauln6803 Why would you buy one as a commuter not what the target market is, be like me buying a sports car to use as my farm runabout, the brakes are great , they are designed to not lock up to easy on loose gravel mud etc, if I wanted a bike that stops on a dime I'd buy a dedicated road bike.
@@silverdale3207 Why not? It's tall, narrow, enough power without being demanding when the roads are wet and greasy and it's fuss free and reliable. For those of us who occupy the opposite of the "vertically challenged" problem, where an 800mm seat height makes you feel as if your dragging your arse on the ground, a tall and narrow bike that can deal with the shitty state of UK roads, has just enough motor for Dual carriageways and motorways sounds bloody good to me. Oh wait, tubed tyres deflate rapidly if they get a nail in 'em, the bike is well over 200kg and the ancient axial mount calipers and small diameter discs aren't even in the same game as the radial Brembo setup (to which I probably owe my life to) of the Europeans. Bugger. And like I said, a great many "adventure bikes" spend a lot of time on the road and others such as Honda, Suzuki and KTM know this and have been tweaking their ADV offerings to better attract that segment by offering things like 19" fronts and tubeless rims. What's more, these are simple modifications to existing designs whilst continuing to sell the existing models that are slightly more off road capable. KTM is the obvious example due to their history of offering enduro and supermoto based on the same design. Their adventure line follows suit by simply swapping wheels, some bodywork and the radially mounted Brambo brakes are not only superb, but a simple spacer between caliper and mount allows for either a less aggressive action with smaller diameter discs or building your triceps with the 320mm and more aggressive master cylinder for the road focused variants. If it wasn't for KTM's being a nightmare to work on, having finicky electronics, the terrible dealer service I've experienced and the fact they charge £100 p/hour labour, I'd be fishing for an SMC. If Yamaha were to update the Ten with radial brakes and the option of tubeless rims with a 19" front (ala Africa Twin), they wouldn't even need a separate production line, just build slots that require one set of equipment or another.
Need to make a 700 adv maxi scooter with that motor with a dct or other auto box, would sell loads and means it does not have to upset the tmax owners by having a seperate model.
These midsize advs seem to confuse people. Its not meant to be an enduro bike. I have a bunch of trails near me that start out as nice groomed fire roads that then can get properly rough and enduro style with washouts and gnarly climbs; thats what these bikes are made for. On my 350cc dirt bike the miles of mellow riding to get to the gnarly stuff is brutal. Middleweight advs make the groomed trails tons of fun and still have enough capability that you can get through the rough stuff instead of turning around.
@@adriantompsonYeah thats why all Hardenduro guys use tubes instead of tubliss System and/or mousse. In real Hard offroad its all about traction and reliability. Even on road its faster to fix.
@@Max-dj5qj not a tubless rim they are shit . you never herd of tubliss you need to look it up has a rimlock built in, dont think you no much about off road.
@@adriantompson ok Professor offroad. Whats wrong with you? Ofc i use tubliss System and yes you need to lock the tyres. I do Hardenduro every week,but it seems you should apply to Erzberg Rodeo with you Know-how. Please Start with tubes and lettus know how far you Got. Tell us the advantages of tubes instead of all other used offroad Systems :)
The Kove is much more like a real competition machine, the weight tells you that. The Kove is much more my style of bike, but there are a lot of people who don't need/want that level of performance.
Hate to break it to you but with upgraded tires and tubes proper handguards and just basic farkles the Kove 450 is almost 182kg fully fueled. While it's still a beast its not as light as you think.
@@AdventureBert Likewise, the T700 weight goes up to 205kg wet, and it doesn't even have a large tank on it. Spec it to a similar spec to the Kove, and it'll be looking very, very portly. I'm not trying to dis the T700, just that it is a very different kind of bike to the Kove 450. I haven't paid any attention to the Kove 800 because I really find the whole concept of big "Adventure" bikes pretty silly. If I want to go off road, I use a competition based bike, hire one if necessary. If I want a road bike, i use a road bike, if I want a tourer, I get a tourer. There are very few tourers which can do sport riding, but they exist. Big "Adventure" bikes, even ones as small as the T700, really aren't much use for pushing on under either of the conditions for which they're designed.
Now give it another 20mm yamaha, plus another 10hp. Lower the fuel design without increasing weight and you might have a bike to complete with the KTM890R. CFMOTO MT-X (aka KTM)890R if this bike is less money than the T7, reliability is all you have over the other bikes.
This new higher-spec Yamaha Tenere 700 Extreme has 230/220 mm of wheel travel front/rear - exactly like standard-spec Honda CRF1000/1100L Africa Twin. Yet Tenere is 910 mm tall in the seat, while Africa Twin is 850 mm. You got it right: Tenere is 60 mm(!) taller in the seat while having same suspensions travel. Tenere 700 Extreme also has this ridiculous half-high-half-low fender, which combines disadvantages of both high and low fenders, without the advantages of either. So, yeah, Yamaha Tenere 700 is a joke! Honda Africa Twin, on the other hand, is a real thing!
@@vvevvevvvv, actually, Africa Twin is only marginally heavier than Tenere: 10-13% heavier (depending on a year of AT). With that AT has 57% bigger engine displacement, 39% more power, 55-65% more torque (year dependant), 17.5% bigger fuel tank, bigger higher quality and much stronger brakes (both front and rear), IMU, lean-sensitive ABS and traction control, much more sophisticated electronics, and much better comfort (seat, wind protection, vibrations damping, etc). That's why Africa Twin is MUCH better bike than a Tenere. AT trumps over T7 - there is no 2 ways of saying it.
@@motocritic and there you are, after long day riding trying to pick up 240 kg (+ all year gear) of a bike. You get more gadgets but it's more expensive as well. AT is a great bike, everyone picks their own...
So Chris you’ve been talking in this video about maintenance of the engine and the bike in general. What do you think about the engine of the KTM 690 enduro? Just the engine! Not the bike! I actually think it’s a good engine! And I truly believe KTM could easily build an adventure bike with that engine. Some kind of a bigger version of the 390 for example. But motorcycle brands don’t want to do it! They just trying to sale these big boats to everyone! How on earth it’s a good thing trying to do off-road things with a 200 and plus kg bike.. We are not drivers like you Chris 😂😂 Or Pol Tarres! That mf drives his Tenere like he has an enduro.. It’s just crazy! 😂😂 So tell us Chris! What do you think! Cheers mate!
What is the point of trying to make a true enduro out of a 200+ kg bike? I feel this is an exercise in futility for people that hedonize on the potential of their machines, but do not actually go out and do the sport, similar to a 700hp 2+ ton SUV.
🙄🙄 no one is trying to make a “true enduro” they are just making a bike that you can ride 1,000 miles in one day AND go down a technical trail the next day. You can’t do that on single cycle Dualsports.
@@IRLtrollsexactly! And that’s exactly what I did on mine. Rode from Ireland to France where I rode the TET then home up through England and into Wales where I enjoyed the twisty rods there’s at a fair pace embarrassing big bikes
@@IRLtrolls True, but I think you can also do that on a Transalp if you are that committed, save quite a bit of money and travel more comfortably long distance too right? But I guess motorcycles are not being bought 100% on logic only.
Fantastic video, as usual. Any plans to test the Aprilia TUAREG 660? Or even better a "mid weight: twin cylinder 21" from wheel adventure bikes :)
Great review as always, I love this channel.
Between Chris, Lara and Chad you have one of the best teams on UA-cam.
Never boring or condescending, well done.
This dude knows how to explain, and does it really-really well in deed. Looking very much forward to the long term review on this bike. Might be my next bike if it's that good as claimed to be.
If you biased to offroad, then this is the one. .but for touring more, go for more CC.
Using a 300 rally after a 950 adventure, I'm certainly tempted by the T7, I like off road, nothing too gnarly but i like getting the distance done as well, love the Rally as its comfy on road, but miss the oomph of a bigger engine.. the lighter T7 is swaying me to at least try one.... looking forward to more on this bike. Great 1st review. Thank you
I can't wait for you to spend more time on it as well...and share your experience. I'm contemplating getting one of those (regular T7 though). Your input had always been extremely valuable Chris. Thank you
Great vid mate!
my tenere 700 extreme is coming the end of may. I can't wait!
Let’s gooo!! Super excited to see what you end up doing to your Extreme, Chris. My ‘21 T7 is just my absolute favorite bike and I love taking it out on big road trips and fast gravel roads just as much as I do in tight trails. Fingers crossed the Extreme comes out to the US market! 😅
Great choice of bike...the T7 is a superb bike! And the T7 Extreme is a great progression from the already excellent base model. Had mine since 2019 and love it. Looking forward to seeing what you do with your new bike. Cheers Steve
Awesome glad we will get to see more of this bike 👌 still need a tuareg test 👍
That was a great slide at 9:16
great looking but bad for your tire :D
congrats on the new bike!
I only ever had trailers. Even my learner bike was one. A Kawasaki AE80. Fabulous little bike.
Great looking bike Chris, am sure you will have a lot of fun with it. 👍
I’ve had a world raid for the best part of a year now! I’ve ridden it all over the winter mainly on trails and off road because I’m lucky enough to live in Wiltshire where there are a LOT of narly By Ways, and with out doubt, I’ve never had a bike which makes me smile as much as this one! I put Pirelli Scorpion XC’s on it and made some clicker adjustments to the suspension to cope with my 90kg’s and it transformed the off road behaviour. You soon get used to hustling the weight about, but nothing detracts from the fun factor 10 feeling you get from riding it! The extreme version is going to be a winner for sure!
Doubt you set your static sag at that weight without an rear spring to suit. Best mod
I have a 2023 T7 and I would say please don’t criticise this bike unless you have ridden one, I ride mine hard!! In some of the most challenging Devon lanes, it’s phenomenal and Chris hit the nail on the head that I can go ride this bike to the ends of the earth park it up and it will do it the next day again and again and again it’s relentless unlike ALL of my ktm’s that have failed one way or another I just cannot kill this bike, I find the suspension is fine the breaks are fine the handling is incredible and you will not know your on a 200kg bike apart from you will ache a bit more than your mates the next day. Anyway go get a Tenere get some better tyres on it and go ride whatever and wherever your heart desires
Nice Vid Bro, lovely weather .yo from NZ
Good review 👍🏻 👍🏻😊
Good one dude....thanks...🌙🐈👍
Wish I could ride my Tenere like that 😂amazing Chris
Chris you need to test the Aprilia Tuareg 660!
We need your thoughts on that bike compared to the Tenere
Exactly 👍
Tuareg 660 is better in every department except front looks .
@@___SSS___ that's why I don't understand they haven't covered that bike once on the channel. Same goes for many other channels. what's up with that? Yamaha pays them not to??
it seems like everyone is on Yamaha's payroll and Aprilia just can't compete with that advertising. a shame
Still waiting for Chris review of Aprillia Tuareg 660
disappointed they still haven't done one. the bike has been out for a few years already. its starting to seem Yamaha has it's hand in that..
отличные места, как у нас вт Сибири...
thats great !
but im already huppy with mine T7 !!!
We need this Bike in the US and Canada
Awesome riding, really shows that this bike has more potential than the average ADV-rider could or will output ...as it is. This is how the T7 should have come to the market in 2019 ☝😁. Thanks for Your cool reviews and vids. 🍺👍
YEEEEZZZZ!!!!! ❤ MAN!!! I would love to be in your boots! can't wait to see your content on this dream bike of mine. ❤
Bring it to America!
Chris, be good to see you do a comparison with your 950 rally build from a couple of years ago (if it’s still around)
Chris looks like you found your prfect bike
Wish we had the improved models here in the states. We only get to buy the base model here. Just in the video you can see a completely different look to how the bike handles with the suspension. I would have bought the extreme this yr but now i have to mod the base model.
Im am interested to see a vid on the T7 Explorer
As much as its great having yet another version of a Tenere 700 , some of us are still eagerly awaiting a Tenere 900 ! Yamaha pull your socks up and get it done already. 120bhp , IMU, Tenere with Cruise control and blue tooth. I cant think of a better globe trotter. Comon already .
yamaha tenere is the perfect bike. you can do anything with it. highway riding. dirt riding, enduro.
TUAREG 660 review plz.
Great vid as always. What happened to the 800DE you were thinking of making a project bike out of?
Still waiting on the big S for that one.
@@chrisnorthover7582really hope you could review the Tuareg 660. anyways, youre great
Hi Chris, it seemed that the back suspension kept bucking you over? Assuming you haven't had a chance to play with the clickers or something up with the rear suspension?
Ah that was me goofing around firing the rear end into the front of those bumps to make it do that. It did have pretty fast rebound under normal riding when I first got on it, but added 4 clicks of rebound to the shock and it was much better.
Very god bike!
Seriously considering trading the gs for one of these. A trip last year abroad made me realise the same I want to spend more time off road . The GS did do it and it was fun plus a lot of work . The deeper into it I got the more i wanted to go but just not with the big bus. Also to top it off in today’s money the 700 is a cheap bike for its capability.
I like how the rear suspension on this model doesnt look like it's collapsed. Im still unsure about that front mudguard 🤔
8:15 To give us some point of view what is to deal with height of this bike, can You tell how tall are You Chris?
5’8”, about 30” inside leg.
@@chrisnorthover7582 Thats excatly as I am haha 😅 Thanks 😉
Imho, the most important motorcycle to be released/designed in the last 10-15 years was the T7...
There is any package of this bike that comes with all of this guy skills ?
Great video well explained looks to be a good model. Can anyone tell me what helmet he is wearing? Shoei?
Cheers! Helmet is a Shoei Hornet DS
Off topic but on topic for Tenere!
I wish Yamaha would revamp or have some new version of the Yamaha super tenere 1200..
Why Chris refuses to review the Tuareg 660? I’ll never know.
He’d have a GREAT time!
We’re not refusing to review the Tuareg, not sure they want us riding their bikes. 😂
I keep wanting a bike like this but then I go and ride my klx300 and remember I dont really need or want it. What I would like is a sub 350lb 450cc proper single cylinder dual sport with long maintenance intervals and good suspension. These huge bikes become a danger to most of us offroad. I find its not uncommon for me to get stuck in snow and mud and I wouldnt be pulling this bike out of that. Imagine going for a ride by yourself and getting pinned under 450lbs... These manufacturers need to get their heads in the right space and give us what we want and need.
CFMoto has a small 450cc twin adventure bike.
Proper enduro bikes are much more like what you appear to want. When used for "normal"/weekend riding you canb go much further without needing to do maintenance. The maintenance schedules for pucka enduro machines are the sort of intervals you would be following if you were competing, not trail riding.
A big sump (pre 2016?) KTM 450 or 500 would probably be close to ideal for you.
new royal enfield himalayan 450 might be perfect for you. check it out.
@@RS23545 too heavy unfortunately but close. Would make a good light adv bike!
@@fallinginthed33p that thing weighs a ton. Not interested in a heavy twin. Thanks for the suggestion though!
Ahh new bike day…
Are these sort of bikes sort of the equivalent of Rally cars, like can do road and dirt decent Fast?
Yeah that’s about it. Hmm I feel a head to head coming…
Looks and sounds very promising. However, most likely will wait a year or two at least before taking the plunge, if at all. The biggest hurdle these days is the sky rocketing prices and now insurance is doing the same!!!
For the first time since the late 90’s and early 00’s my bike cost more than my car to insure?!?!
Same here, dreading my tenere insurance renewal. Was looking at a aprilia rsv4 to replace my road bike, insurance was £2400 😢
Interesting my Tenere is £210 insurance this year- Hastings
Wish yamaha would retrofit older teneres with this suspension!
👍👍👏
That wasn't a dumb wheelie! #justsayin
Also, you needed a wash at the end there. 💦
I have hard time understanding why yamaha will not send any other model other than the standard basic tenere to the US market?
Think they have to build a factory in US ! Will Sell to many 😁
I don’t understand why Yamaha won’t put cruise control on the T7. Really needs it
Because it has a cable operated throttle.
I'd disagree, the last ride I did (500km) there was nowhere straight enough or long enough that I could have used cruise , it pretty much all needed constant throttle adjustments. Fair enough if you want to do big miles on the tarmac, but that's not what the T7 is for.
It’s good for 90% on road? Thanks
Will let you know when I’ve done a bit more on the tarmac. They’re also doing a new ‘Explore’ version with lower suspension for a more road bias.
I ride a T7 world raid and I only ride on the roads and it's very comfortable.i ride with panniers on and the bike has no problems at all, the suspension is kyb and fully adjustable front and rear and it also has a steering damper which helps make the bike feel lighter.
Good video, but I’d rather have a nice light enduro bike. Something like a 300cc 2 stroke.
Always love Chris's videos really interesting an honest opinions. 👌 loving my T7 I just got as a beginner Trail Rider for dad an I, who's got stage 3+ advanced prostate cancer ended up selling my fireblade I'd had since 2011 to suprise him with the T7 to share.
Ours is a 2020 T7 with the + 40mm Rally seat.
One thing I couldn't understand on this new version was the lack of the optional bash plate that Yamaha do when the cosmetic Rally gets it.
Be ace to see how you get on with it, the one exhaust hangers a weak spot, I've been looking at the hp corse, mivv and the Camel but prefer not to cut the frame so looking at the hp corse an mivv even though ours has got an Akro on it.
Just fitted a Camel Gut Guard to ours which is an absolute work of art for an engine guard.
Looking forward to following the series.
I've had the himmy, 390, 300 Rally an for my trail riding I'm preferring the Tenere 700 for the reasons you mentioned, makes for a much better road bike as well, but capable when you need It.
I'm actually finding I prefer the T7 to the 300 Rally on the trails the suspension on the 300 Rally was dreadful an the torque on the cp2 super helps.
How does it act on the road?
We’re going to find out.
Yamaha still hasnt figured out how to put proper tubless tires on the T7 yet???
As a T7 owner I wouldn't want tubeless setup. As mentioned in the video when you add more speed to a heavy bike, rims get bent when you smash into stuff at speed. a tubeless would have been a nightmare for me. I would have been on tubes eventually.
@@brianpostlethwaite
Considering a lot of these will mainly see road with a bit of trail riding, it wouldn't be a bad idea to offer a tubeless rim with 19 inch front option.
I was eyeing one up as a commuter due to the Ten being tall and narrow, but tubed tyres and unimpressive brakes means I'd have to spend a packet on mods and still not match what a KTM SMC offers out the box.
@@pauln6803 Why would you buy one as a commuter not what the target market is, be like me buying a sports car to use as my farm runabout, the brakes are great , they are designed to not lock up to easy on loose gravel mud etc, if I wanted a bike that stops on a dime I'd buy a dedicated road bike.
@@silverdale3207
Why not?
It's tall, narrow, enough power without being demanding when the roads are wet and greasy and it's fuss free and reliable.
For those of us who occupy the opposite of the "vertically challenged" problem, where an 800mm seat height makes you feel as if your dragging your arse on the ground, a tall and narrow bike that can deal with the shitty state of UK roads, has just enough motor for Dual carriageways and motorways sounds bloody good to me.
Oh wait, tubed tyres deflate rapidly if they get a nail in 'em, the bike is well over 200kg and the ancient axial mount calipers and small diameter discs aren't even in the same game as the radial Brembo setup (to which I probably owe my life to) of the Europeans.
Bugger.
And like I said, a great many "adventure bikes" spend a lot of time on the road and others such as Honda, Suzuki and KTM know this and have been tweaking their ADV offerings to better attract that segment by offering things like 19" fronts and tubeless rims.
What's more, these are simple modifications to existing designs whilst continuing to sell the existing models that are slightly more off road capable.
KTM is the obvious example due to their history of offering enduro and supermoto based on the same design.
Their adventure line follows suit by simply swapping wheels, some bodywork and the radially mounted Brambo brakes are not only superb, but a simple spacer between caliper and mount allows for either a less aggressive action with smaller diameter discs or building your triceps with the 320mm and more aggressive master cylinder for the road focused variants.
If it wasn't for KTM's being a nightmare to work on, having finicky electronics, the terrible dealer service I've experienced and the fact they charge £100 p/hour labour, I'd be fishing for an SMC.
If Yamaha were to update the Ten with radial brakes and the option of tubeless rims with a 19" front (ala Africa Twin), they wouldn't even need a separate production line, just build slots that require one set of equipment or another.
Need to make a 700 adv maxi scooter with that motor with a dct or other auto box, would sell loads and means it does not have to upset the tmax owners by having a seperate model.
I see what you did there 😂
These midsize advs seem to confuse people. Its not meant to be an enduro bike. I have a bunch of trails near me that start out as nice groomed fire roads that then can get properly rough and enduro style with washouts and gnarly climbs; thats what these bikes are made for. On my 350cc dirt bike the miles of mellow riding to get to the gnarly stuff is brutal. Middleweight advs make the groomed trails tons of fun and still have enough capability that you can get through the rough stuff instead of turning around.
do you fancy riding a T7 with 74hp at the rear wheel and a T7 with 48mm on it. if you do get in touch, i am 14 miles from yam off road.
Just put tubeless rims on it
its the last thing you need off road.
@@adriantompsonYeah thats why all Hardenduro guys use tubes instead of tubliss System and/or mousse. In real Hard offroad its all about traction and reliability. Even on road its faster to fix.
@@Max-dj5qj not a tubless rim they are shit . you never herd of tubliss you need to look it up has a rimlock built in, dont think you no much about off road.
@@adriantompson ok Professor offroad. Whats wrong with you? Ofc i use tubliss System and yes you need to lock the tyres. I do Hardenduro every week,but it seems you should apply to Erzberg Rodeo with you Know-how. Please Start with tubes and lettus know how far you Got. Tell us the advantages of tubes instead of all other used offroad Systems :)
@@Max-dj5qj get a camera on your bike you got no vids and you are full of bull shit.
NGL, Kove already won my wallet with the 145KG rally 450 and 165KG rally 800R...
The Kove is much more like a real competition machine, the weight tells you that. The Kove is much more my style of bike, but there are a lot of people who don't need/want that level of performance.
Hate to break it to you but with upgraded tires and tubes proper handguards and just basic farkles the Kove 450 is almost 182kg fully fueled. While it's still a beast its not as light as you think.
This reads like an ad
@@AdventureBert Likewise, the T700 weight goes up to 205kg wet, and it doesn't even have a large tank on it. Spec it to a similar spec to the Kove, and it'll be looking very, very portly.
I'm not trying to dis the T700, just that it is a very different kind of bike to the Kove 450.
I haven't paid any attention to the Kove 800 because I really find the whole concept of big "Adventure" bikes pretty silly.
If I want to go off road, I use a competition based bike, hire one if necessary. If I want a road bike, i use a road bike, if I want a tourer, I get a tourer. There are very few tourers which can do sport riding, but they exist.
Big "Adventure" bikes, even ones as small as the T700, really aren't much use for pushing on under either of the conditions for which they're designed.
There is no 165kg rally 800 dear. That's the dry weight.
They are doing everything in their power to not actually "update" the T7, aren't they?
I guess it's a good way to keep it reliable.
Absolutely!!!!!
Why update it? Long haul Paul did 200,000 miles on one. What more do you want from the engine? All I would like to see is cruise control
What would you update though?
@@IRLtrollstrue and without any major issues with the bike as well. That says a lot about this bike and why it needs no major update.
Still big hevey an open ground is were its at home the best out thir in the big adventure bike world but am sticking with my faithful xt660z
Sucks these aren't in the USA
If only Suzuki would bring the DR650 up to modern times. But then, along comes all the bureaucrats wagging their bony fingers.
It's a shame camera never shows how steep stuff is.
Still… top heavy….
Lower the fuel tank.
Most importantly, make it available worldwide. It’s not even for sale in most of countries.
Could you maybe partner and make a video with Arie (Ariemann1) with his dark horse (well dark horse was sold, the new one) ....
Sadly looks tall for my little legs
Still 20 kg too heavy
20kg less this would be a mega unbeatable bike
Um.
i am a shorty ... kevin hart size ... not for me
zontes 703 better ❤
The mudguard makes it look like gonzo the muppet.
Now give it another 20mm yamaha, plus another 10hp. Lower the fuel design without increasing weight and you might have a bike to complete with the KTM890R. CFMOTO MT-X (aka KTM)890R if this bike is less money than the T7, reliability is all you have over the other bikes.
it's a shame the exhaust still rubbish
This new higher-spec Yamaha Tenere 700 Extreme has 230/220 mm of wheel travel front/rear - exactly like standard-spec Honda CRF1000/1100L Africa Twin. Yet Tenere is 910 mm tall in the seat, while Africa Twin is 850 mm. You got it right: Tenere is 60 mm(!) taller in the seat while having same suspensions travel. Tenere 700 Extreme also has this ridiculous half-high-half-low fender, which combines disadvantages of both high and low fenders, without the advantages of either.
So, yeah, Yamaha Tenere 700 is a joke! Honda Africa Twin, on the other hand, is a real thing!
Africa twin is quite a bit heavier
@@vvevvevvvv, actually, Africa Twin is only marginally heavier than Tenere: 10-13% heavier (depending on a year of AT). With that AT has 57% bigger engine displacement, 39% more power, 55-65% more torque (year dependant), 17.5% bigger fuel tank, bigger higher quality and much stronger brakes (both front and rear), IMU, lean-sensitive ABS and traction control, much more sophisticated electronics, and much better comfort (seat, wind protection, vibrations damping, etc). That's why Africa Twin is MUCH better bike than a Tenere. AT trumps over T7 - there is no 2 ways of saying it.
@@motocritic bro, cool down
@@vvevvevvvv, I'm always cool.
@@motocritic and there you are, after long day riding trying to pick up 240 kg (+ all year gear) of a bike. You get more gadgets but it's more expensive as well. AT is a great bike, everyone picks their own...
So Chris you’ve been talking in this video about maintenance of the engine and the bike in general. What do you think about the engine of the KTM 690 enduro? Just the engine! Not the bike! I actually think it’s a good engine! And I truly believe KTM could easily build an adventure bike with that engine. Some kind of a bigger version of the 390 for example. But motorcycle brands don’t want to do it! They just trying to sale these big boats to everyone! How on earth it’s a good thing trying to do off-road things with a 200 and plus kg bike.. We are not drivers like you Chris 😂😂 Or Pol Tarres! That mf drives his Tenere like he has an enduro.. It’s just crazy! 😂😂 So tell us Chris! What do you think! Cheers mate!
What is the point of trying to make a true enduro out of a 200+ kg bike? I feel this is an exercise in futility for people that hedonize on the potential of their machines, but do not actually go out and do the sport, similar to a 700hp 2+ ton SUV.
Adventure cosplay
Yeah Chris might be able to ride this like an enduro bike but no way I'd be game.
🙄🙄 no one is trying to make a “true enduro” they are just making a bike that you can ride 1,000 miles in one day AND go down a technical trail the next day. You can’t do that on single cycle Dualsports.
@@IRLtrollsexactly! And that’s exactly what I did on mine. Rode from Ireland to France where I rode the TET then home up through England and into Wales where I enjoyed the twisty rods there’s at a fair pace embarrassing big bikes
@@IRLtrolls True, but I think you can also do that on a Transalp if you are that committed, save quite a bit of money and travel more comfortably long distance too right? But I guess motorcycles are not being bought 100% on logic only.