You're so right dude. The only real way to save this situation would be the actual sports leagues significantly lower the costs of their licenses. That won't happen anytime soon.
OfficialJumpman24 gameday was exclusive to PlayStation. That’s one reason why they didn’t and couldn’t sell as much as 2k and madden, same with Xbox’s exclusive football game called fever. I still have fever 03 & 04 along with gameday 04. And I have 2k3 - 2k5, madden 05-07. I can clearly see that none of those system exclusives were on par with either 2k or madden 😂
@@Zach2017 MLB The Show has gotten worse over the years. I enjoyed MLB The Show more on my PSP than the diamond dynasty thing it has become. And the commentary is terrible and reused from year to year.
It was about presentation and 2K5 destroyed Madden in that department. Madden is not immersive as it should. Halftime, stats, presentation just are lacking in Madden
Me and my friend absolutely loved 2k football it was the best graphics and presentations video football game ever. Madden EA sports will never give us good quality and evolution in yr to yr..
I’m in awe still how madden hasn’t even came remotely close to the presentation that 2k had. Now in 2005 we got to remember madden was also one hell of a game. If you ask me madden 05 is still better than what we have today let alone 2k football
@Dexter Monson he never said that's the biggest issue, but it does say a ton that given the improvement of what you can make with graphics and in game physics that the blocking looks worse now
@@sodapopinski3208 It actually is considering in madden 19 and 18 the AI WON'T block at all hell they let d ends go around blockers aleast in madden 25 and 15 they actually blocked don't get me started on 2k5 and 2k8 which has better animations then any madden I've played
Dexter Monson I agree! I’m still playing madden 19 til this day. I’ve played over 500 games online and have never felt like the game is unplayable. Is it perfect no! Far from it, but I understand that at the end of the day it is a video game. Football is by far the most complex sport there is to sim. People think programming o-lineman to handle stunts and pull on running plays is the easiest thing in the world to do, it’s not! I’m what you would consider a realistic gamer in that I don’t play madden for 100% realism. I play madden because I enjoy the thought of controlling my favorite team in a virtual world And for me that’s good enough. Not to say there aren’t things I wouldn’t like to see madden improve on, but just that for me personally I don’t understand why there is so much hate for this game. I’m starting to think people just aren’t that good at the game and therefore render it trash. IMO.
But sadly people are too weak. It’s not gonna happen. Need to get this to gain steam on social media, get a bunch of people to get behind to the boycott, almost like signing a petition.
I agree both football game 2k 05 and 2k all pro 08 still light years ahead of Madden till this date EA don't want to make there football better they just patch it up every year and pocket the money because it they care there football should be a way way better game same shit every year it's time for 2k to reenter the game maybe XFL 2020 I bet you game play will be better than Madden period EA had there time and can't get the job done
None of that changes the fact that 2k produced better quality sim football games over 10 years ago and EA just doesn't, they just keep throwing us crappier games year after year...
@Deep Mind X you have to be freakin kidding me, have you even played 2k5? Play franchise and see the bunch of things you can do that current Madden doesn't haves... and im not even talking about gameplay, not to mention that's a freakin 15 year old game!
I think everybody's tired of all the cheesy plays we want a game that's based on football strategy not glitches and cheesy plays. I hate the gameplay but I will keep playing madden because i love football
It's gonna be very hard to have a game without "cheesy" plays. Videos games will always be games first, meaning there will always be tactics that are more overpowered and there will always be ways to confuse the AI. With that said, Madden can get a lot better with their AI than they currently are.
I think people refer to cheesy in the sense that, the correct coverages don't stop it. I agree everything can be stopped, and I don't even like the term "cheese", but many things in Madden shouldn't be as hard to stop as they are. Calling the correct coverage should be enough most of the time, but it isn't.
AJ Southward And that’s why madden is going to keep selling because they know that if it’s one group of ppl who’s going to by the game it’s ppl who the love the game of football
the nfl does the same thing changes their integrity of football for casual fans..no more hardhitting adjusting rules allday for offense the whole sport is going to shyyyt
Bruh wtf comment is this!!! You want change but aren’t willing to do what it takes to get there?!?! Pathetic! stop buying this trash ass game for a year or two and watch it be so much better! DO NOT BUY IT IF YOU WANT ACTUAL CHANGE. SUPPLY AND DEMAND! If the demand for the game is down because people think it’s trash then they will only be forced to work on their product and give the people what they want so that the demand will go back up! Please don’t buy it man it will make football gaming so much better for the rest of our lives if we resist and make them make changes!
Jvstobandzz why would madden change thr game if people like you buy it anyways you holding everyone back buy buying a game you say sucks as if theirs a gun to your head
SaucyX4 • - you’re right bruh. I just can’t stand the fact that all of my friends buy the most recent one yearly and I’m the last one to buy it bc I wanna see reviews and stuff. But this year I just got madden 19 for free lol
Eric the real reason why we won't get a NFL 2k licensed game is because Madden used his NFL connections to get the exclusive license. By doing this he insured that his kids and grandchildren would have a family business for life. So he basically avoided 2k from taking over like NBA 2k did live. Notice how they stipulated that 2k can now do a arcade but not sim game so it doesn't compete with Madden.
Eric, thanks for this incredible video on the topic, it’s honestly one of the most informative videos I have EVER watched on UA-cam ON ANY SUBJECT I have EVER seen. That for me, is really (really) saying something but I mean it. Research, presentation, voice quality and more research, information, opinion, interpretation of a complicated subject, your thoughtful opinion... A+ for me in every case. This could be an instructional video on how to correctly opine on difficult topics. Blown away.
EA needs to take a look at San Diego Studios and their product, "MLB The Show".. My first year playing, never enjoyed a sports vidya game so much. :D Those people seem to really give a sh*t, unlike the capitalist exec's of EA..
I'd like to see a game come out for sports games that aren't license. You just create you owner team city players. Make no likeness to any real teams or players. Give a story mode.
Yearly sports releases shouldn't even be a thing, it only existed because there was no other way to update the roster prior to the internet becoming mainstream. The upgrades were just as stale back then but were justified because it was the only way to play with the current year roster and honestly thought it would be a thing of the past once rosters could be updated online and they could devote more time and resources towards making a better product to release every few years. For what they produce every years, it's a fraction of content compared to the DLC for most games and that's a slap in the face to anyone still supporting EA.
I disagree with you on one thing, Eric. Madden is not EA's flagship franchise. FIFA is. It's even broken out on its financial report while Madden is part of a group (EA Sports). In fact, the whole 'ban loot boxes' movement targeted FIFA because of the money it made for EA (that EA specifically admitted to, while pleading poverty in the same breath).
I still find it fun because I only play franchise, but I find it super annoying how buggy it is, especially the part where 75% of the time the clock runs when you go out of bounds.
Your first mistake was getting your information from the NFL, the truth would easily be obtained from just watching the stock market. EA was scared, 2004 wasn't the first time EA was offered the exclusive deal from the NFL. But it was the first time EA took the offer for a grand total of $300 million for five years. The reason being was by the end of the football season Madden was no longer outselling 2K ten-to-one but only by a margin of seven-to-four. We saw a similar trend between EA's live and NBA 2k and we all know what happened to EA there. Those reasons you give in this video are just face-saving reasons the NFL want us to believe. It was all about money, the NFL basically offered EA a way to stay on top, but it would cost them.
Outstanding job brother. I sincerely hope more of the masses listen and pay attention to the information you put forward. Us dedicated gamers (me being a Franchise man) probably need Rex back...in order for real change. At least put someone in place who actually cares about committed customers.
I hear you man, but you sound a little pessimistic to the whole idea of even having competition. That's part is a little odd to me. Idk. Maybe you're just stating facts and everything you're saying makes a ton of sense, but your opinion on the issue seems to be opposed to the thought of having options. Didnt hear much about the positives or the other side of the argument. Not about not wanting to hear it, but there is another side to the debate that isn't really stated here.
@Christopher Treacy well not "argument" in the literal sense man. If you would like me to be more specific, the conversation of the topic. I would say once we put in opinions into the conversation, then its a debate. Either way, i think the video was great and appreciate him opening up the conversation to the facts that he stated.
god, people want everyone to be so literal. lol. smh. I knew exactly what you meant in your comment. and to the other dude, a lot of what he said in the video is opinion based, not just facts, so that could be a side of an argument.
I literally said at the end of the video that I would love to have 2k and Sony get involved and make games again lol. This video isn't an opinion piece, it's all facts. There's no other side of the argument, this is the reality of the situation, and there's no signs that point towards it changing. If I sound pessimistic, it's because the reality of the situation is bad, and it sucks.
@@EricRayweather and I said i appreciate the video . sounds like you took some offense with your "lol". I wasnt even tryna get at you like that. there is a lot of opinions in your video, and I also said what you are saying in your video is "stating facts", and "makes a ton of sense." Im just saying the overall tone of the video sounds like you feel it would be a bad idea for anyone to aquire the license to even attempt. THAT part is an opinion.
It may come off like an opinion but that's not my opinion, that's the opinions of the people who work in the industry. They don't think it's a good idea, that's why they haven't done it. Why would I care what they do? If they made games, that benefits me. I want the games, but I understand why it's not smart business decision for them to make it.
2k let too many years pass so a whole new generation of gamers are all about Madden they have no idea about NFL 2k5. So yea the cost and return wouldn't be beneficial smh sucks. Backbreaker had some pros but ultimately nobody supported.
Great video and spot on. People often forget that these companies are business first and foremost which means that they will usually position themselves from a business pov first before a gamer's pov.
@@ImInPhilVIlle25 Okay, you have a point. I should re-phrase my statement. MOST companies are business first and foremost... But I would also like to add that EA, Ubisoft, Take Two, Activision Blizzard, etc. are all major companies that produce triple-A games every year. I suspect their business model is more about selling the most copies possible and profit considering how much it costs to produce these sorts of games. They have a "responsibility" to their shareholders to make the company as profitable as possible. I'm not saying by any means that they should ignore what gamers want. In an ideal world, you would want games to make a lot of money whilst also be reasonable towards its consumers. It's also not to say that Digital Extremes didn't pour a lot of resources into Warframes. I'm sure they did, but their business model is more about the gamers than making a profit, so kudos to them-I absolutely respect and applaud their decision like many others that they took to take their "slot machine" mechanic out of the game. In the end, it's a complex issue that can't please everyone. It should be a balance between both (profitability and making games for the gamers), but as we all know, there will always be people who prefer to slide into one category over the other.
Wow, as a core gamer for Madden, and of recently 2K as well... I am at a loss for words because quite frankly you answered all my questions and ideas, which in turn really sucks to know. I hate that this is the truth and I really have no idea what could possibly encourage 2K or anyone to make another NFL licensed football game. Well done video, love the content. Great job!
One random meh idea for 2K would be to make a football game not licensed, offer demos, and sell it at a cheaper price. If people like the gameplay enough, maybe just maybe, it could justify going for a license with the NFL for a new game at full cost. That way if they did want to try for the football market, they aren't committing quite as much out the gate to a possible loss. And if things go well then they maybe could steal a chunk of the market from years to come. Idk I just want EA to have to actually try man
I approve of this message💯 I been playing madden since "94" this game is a legendary name and apart of football culture! No way in Hell "Madden" will ever do bad just because people buy based off the name and sport. Great knowledge video
I always bought and played both back in the day. I'm not one of those guys that wants madden to go away completely, but I like competition and options. That's all
Great Vid Eric! You summed it all up. Its surprising to me that when I talk to people about Madden. They still think EA is just keeping other companies away with a exclusive license. Like you said tho, consumers are not the smartest people. Sad thing about you Vid is if you really pay attention to it. We really are at a point where its Madden or nothing. We just have to hope the higher ups at EA let the developers make the game they really want to make one day!
I'm one of those not so smart consumers. I've gotten Madden almost every year since 1997. I've played 2k when I would go over friends and family houses but never had the interest to buy a copy. I'm a franchise mode die hard. I don't even get deep into MUT like a lot of my friends do. But I do try and use as many of your tips as I can. I've followed your channel since the summer of Madden 18. Good stuff man
I didn't mean that everybody who buys Madden isn't smart, kind of worded it wrong. If you enjoy Madden, you're not wrong or dumb for that. I meant it to say, most consumers don't actually understand why Madden isn't that good, a lot of people think it's an amazing game and couldn't imagine not playing it.
Wow, a lot in there. I appreciate your passion and dedication. It's interesting, it seems like we really don't have a choice, but I suppose we'll see what happens in the future. Your take doesn't seem totally nihilistic, but it's kind of how it left me feeling. Just my two cents. Keep doing what you're doing. Love all the videos.
I DON'T care about the NFL License. I just want a football simulator with a franchise mode. If All Pro Football 2K8 had a franchise mode, I would still be playing it in 2019!
i wouldn't be surprised if they create their own video game company to make the games themselves. They would have 100 percent control of the game's content.
Lonestarr033 if NFLPA just made the they’re own game 100% by themselves than it’d be the best it’s not like they need the money and they decently know the game.
@@RedBearNAaron It's not apologetic lmao. He's being 100% realistic and using logic to come up with an answer saying "hey we're pretty much fucked and stuck with what we have" the change is going to be extremely hard, no good change is easy
Bottom line is MUT brings in WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. Even if the sales of the game is lower then previous years, MUT is bringing in more and more money each year. You want to make a statement? Boycott mut and see how fast changes will b made
seriously, how much freaking money does the NFL charge for the license that even such big companies like 2K and Sony stay away for over a decade? 3 figure millions?
Agree with all your points. I've been talking about the licensing cost for several years now and just had to correct somebody the other day who was trying to say the reason there's no MLB game on Xbox is because Sony owns the rights. People don't understand that the entry cost just isn't what it was in the "golden age" of PS2/Xbox. One point of yours I would question though is if EA is really better served sticking with NBA Live (where they get dominated in sales) as opposed to bringing back MVP (where they'd have guaranteed sales on Xbox). Assuming the licenses cost the same, I guess the only negatives would be 1. starting from scratch (like you mention) and 2. the thought that combined NBA Live sales on Xbox and PS4 would be greater than MVP sales on Xbox (assuming nobody on PS4 buys MVP because they already have The Show). I'm not sure how I feel about that. To me, filling in a void and slowly building momentum seems smarter than continually releasing a product at a loss. But who knows.
Thank you for this video. Many in the industry should watch this as I have lost count of how many times I've heard insiders say that Madden out and out bought the license when in reality the NFL put it up for bid and EA won. The NFL wanted one producer, it's not that this was EAs idea.
What they need to do again is make a demo for us to test the game they they did when the PS4 first came out then based on what we see and think is wrong or can use improvement and also what’s good. Even tho people don’t want to admit it but madden was not bad a couple years ago like 12-25 was good and even 16 was good and for those games they had a demo for us first
I did my own personal protest last year. I did not pre-order the game but waited until November when they seemed to have fixed a lot of the major bugs. It was also selling for $30 at the time so it made the decision easier. If more people waited like i did it'll send a message to EA that the NFL video game market isn't made up of consumers with blind loyalty, but people who expect a new, improved and exciting game every year, not just a roster update and font changes.
I wonder if you’re underestimating the amount of people who would be willing to switch over to a 2k football game. Maybe years ago it would’ve been more likely that casuals wouldn’t switch over, but 2k’s name as a brand is way bigger than it was when they stopped producing a football game. The company has built up a lot of goodwill with its NBA series, and is now a staple of sports gaming, and a brand that people know.
Just stop buying the game. Thats the only wait to make them know, but those kids with they moms credit cards are stronger than us. Not much we can do CFL please save us all
Since Madden Mobile went to Madden Overdrive, I've boycotting EA for that. Not buying or playing an EA made game because they ruined it for mobile devices.
All of this because the NFL has a ego and greed problem. They would rather protect their brand rather than expand it by being more accessible to moderate budgets. Certain aspects of the NFL needs to be broken-up.
NFL 2K was the better game once 2K5 released and it was not even close. EA doesn’t put in the work. Over a decade later and 2K5 still has in game details and penalty calls we will likely never see from EA
The problem with sports games in general is this ridiculous yearly cycle of releases. Sports games development should be like other video game genres, where they spend a few years or so to make one really good game, or at least attempt to. If people can't live without their updated player rosters, those could be DLC or something for the game. I personally don't care about having licensed NFL teams, but I guess a lot of idiots value team skins over good game play. Blitz the league and All Pro Football didn't have licensed NFL teams, and those games are great.
Real talk. One of your best videos. Thanks for your time and research. I know the gaming industry has to make money, but it just bothers me that everything is about money, not the consumers. What you’re talking about make allot of sense. My kids buy madden just because it’s madden and don’t know about the issues and when I tell them they look at me crazy. Also I’m a Apple user and I’ve been engrossed in their ecosystem for so long, it would take too much to switch, even though I really like the new Samsung Note. Ps. Like the old school football games u got on here, I was trying to name them all and the players👍🏿
Bottom line we’ve got one mediocre NFL game that will probably be the same as it was last year. I played Madden hardcore from 1994 - 2002. Then it just got stale. I gave 2k a try and loved it. I rented it but wasn’t going to buy though. Because EVERYONE gets Madden!! I could imagine buying a different game. I sucked it up though and bought it. When the lost the license, I didn’t buy a new football game until Madden 15. It was decent so I was excited to try it on PS4. Bought 17 and didn’t finish a season. Bought 19 and really tried to get into it but didn’t finish a season. Already planning to skip Madden next year unless I hear really good word of mouth.
@@jmarcguy Give it another shot.. EA has spoken up several times in recent years about the push for a better product, not simply a 'new' product. It's part of the reason they've shuffled around leadership on people like Rex, and such. Obviously there's internal politics going on we'll never know about or understand, but EA really is pushing to make Madden better. You just have to remember that there's the external (or.. internal?) force of the marketing team and leadership that need the ability to market NEW NEW NEW! BETTER! BIGGER! kinda' shit so they can attract new players. Hardcore fans will always buy. Short of the game not booting up, the hardcore fans will always buy it, every year. But the target is new buyers, which is why new cool features are needed. But the push to make both new and old fans happy can be seen with improved animation quality.
the thing is, if any company could take it, it would be 2k. You mention live, but you underplay how huge live used to be. Live was the only real way to play NBA back in the day, 2k did take over the market. They did it once they could do it again.
Thanks for breaking that down. It makes perfect sense so I understand. Still Madden NEEDS competition and unfortunately I am finished buying Madden at least for the foreseeable future. Thanks again for the info!!
Love the video and you made some great points. Madden has been on the decline for a while, we all know that. I was that guy that would buy every years edition during the Ps2 days. But I haven’t bought madden like that for a while. I bought 19 thinking it would be good, but sadly it collects dust.
I miss competition between companies with sports games. EA didn't rest on their laurels back then. Every time you bought a new Madden or MVP baseball, each game felt different instead of just being a roster and soundtrack update. Another thing I used to like was when I would get tired of playing Madden or EA NHL, I could go get the 2K counterpart, and have a fresh experience.
I never heard of the NFL leaving 2k out of talks for the NFL license. I remember reading an article about about Sega being offered the license and feeling competition was better and choosing not to be the sole maker of NFL games. Everything I ever heard stated NFL first offered 2k the license and upon being told no, only then went to EA for them to be the sole maker of NFL games. This is honestly the first time I have heard anything stating otherwise, up to watching this video everything I saw and heard pointed to EA being the second company approached to buy the license.
Great video. 😁 I agree with all your points. The NFL license is overpriced if you ask me. Just like most of the actual players in the NFL. Noone is worth millions of dollars. No matter how good or talented they are. That goes for all pro sports. The players are too greedy these days.
They should sell Madden for 30$ every year. Just release a big roster update / dlc every year for like 20$. That does a graphic update, and obviously roster updates. at least then more people will buy it, and you still get the mut players as well.
All 2k has to do is ask the people “Do you guys want a football game?” Put up a go fund me type of thing for the people to donate to help with the funding of the game and once the amount is met they’d realize how bad people want a new football game. I know the big madden UA-camrs and streamers would even help with the funding.
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You're so right dude. The only real way to save this situation would be the actual sports leagues significantly lower the costs of their licenses. That won't happen anytime soon.
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EricRayweather dude what is this instrumental ❤️
I tell the world all thee time if NFL ESPN 2k was still out.. it would've had madden looking like nba live 🤷🏾♂️
As good NBA 2K looks aesthetically, I can only imagine how good NFL 2K would look today.
Facts
OfficialJumpman24 how was gameday better? Gameday was trash and so was fever 😂 everyone who was around back then knew it was all about madden and 2k
My man said gameday was better?!? 😂😂😂 stop thee buttery bullshit brodie
OfficialJumpman24 gameday was exclusive to PlayStation. That’s one reason why they didn’t and couldn’t sell as much as 2k and madden, same with Xbox’s exclusive football game called fever. I still have fever 03 & 04 along with gameday 04. And I have 2k3 - 2k5, madden 05-07. I can clearly see that none of those system exclusives were on par with either 2k or madden 😂
Madden sucks and is only being supported due to only game available
Verbal Kint just like MLB The Show
CrikeyDavis MLB the show actually has things that the fan base wanted like a career mode in which you interact with more than it than maddens.
A monopoly ruins everything
CrikeyDavis yes but MLB at least improves. Like this year they improved defense by a lot
@@Zach2017 MLB The Show has gotten worse over the years. I enjoyed MLB The Show more on my PSP than the diamond dynasty thing it has become. And the commentary is terrible and reused from year to year.
It was about presentation and 2K5 destroyed Madden in that department. Madden is not immersive as it should. Halftime, stats, presentation just are lacking in Madden
Me and my friend absolutely loved 2k football it was the best graphics and presentations video football game ever. Madden EA sports will never give us good quality and evolution in yr to yr..
I’m in awe still how madden hasn’t even came remotely close to the presentation that 2k had. Now in 2005 we got to remember madden was also one hell of a game. If you ask me madden 05 is still better than what we have today let alone 2k football
2K5 is still the closest a video game has felt to actually watching a game on TV.
Lol the blocking in the older games look way better than the blocking we have in today's games
@@sodapopinski3208 I didn't say it WAS, I said it LOOKED, good day to you sir
@Dexter Monson he never said that's the biggest issue, but it does say a ton that given the improvement of what you can make with graphics and in game physics that the blocking looks worse now
@@sodapopinski3208 It actually is considering in madden 19 and 18 the AI WON'T block at all hell they let d ends go around blockers aleast in madden 25 and 15 they actually blocked don't get me started on 2k5 and 2k8 which has better animations then any madden I've played
I been checking that out lol
Dexter Monson
I agree!
I’m still playing madden 19 til this day. I’ve played over 500 games online and have never felt like the game is unplayable. Is it perfect no! Far from it, but I understand that at the end of the day it is a video game. Football is by far the most complex sport there is to sim. People think programming o-lineman to handle stunts and pull on running plays is the easiest thing in the world to do, it’s not! I’m what you would consider a realistic gamer in that I don’t play madden for 100% realism. I play madden because I enjoy the thought of controlling my favorite team in a virtual world
And for me that’s good enough. Not to say there aren’t things I wouldn’t like to see madden improve on, but just that for me personally I don’t understand why there is so much hate for this game. I’m starting to think people just aren’t that good at the game and therefore render it trash. IMO.
Boycott EA don’t buy Madden 20
I agree
@@yvngpierre1063 hell yeah
But sadly people are too weak. It’s not gonna happen. Need to get this to gain steam on social media, get a bunch of people to get behind to the boycott, almost like signing a petition.
Bo Se you're gonna need Jesus Christ to back up the boycott as it'll be a miracle if it happens.
You know that's not going to happen. We're all addicted to mut.
2k would absolutely destroy madden
I agree both football game 2k 05 and 2k all pro 08 still light years ahead of Madden till this date EA don't want to make there football better they just patch it up every year and pocket the money because it they care there football should be a way way better game same shit every year it's time for 2k to reenter the game maybe XFL 2020 I bet you game play will be better than Madden period EA had there time and can't get the job done
no, it wouldn't. Madden would just end up being better than it is right now because of the alternative option.
@@Lonestarr022 maybe that's what need to happen being push to get better
Not in sales
"Good" destroy or "Bad" destroy?
Why does Madden never use FOX, CBS, NBC, and ESPN scoreboards?
They don't have to
They don’t have to pay for it. They the only NFL game
It costs money as far as they have been able to arrange, and as this video mentions they are a bit over budget as is.
The Closest thing to cbs is Madden 13
2k8 With The NFL Legends was a Realistic Football game, unlike madden, the same Broken product sold to us every year.
2k all pro 08 destroy any madden football any day
100% right until madden can show me a real football game I agree with you
None of that changes the fact that 2k produced better quality sim football games over 10 years ago and EA just doesn't, they just keep throwing us crappier games year after year...
@Deep Mind X you have to be freakin kidding me, have you even played 2k5? Play franchise and see the bunch of things you can do that current Madden doesn't haves... and im not even talking about gameplay, not to mention that's a freakin 15 year old game!
@Deep Mind X Troll Alert
NFL 2k5 was ahead of there time. Till this day madden can’t even keep up with 2k
I don't think it would've stayed that good. They've been going backwards since 2k11.
@Deep Mind X but it was still a BETTER game
Somebody start a GoFundMe for a 2k football series
I think everybody's tired of all the cheesy plays we want a game that's based on football strategy not glitches and cheesy plays. I hate the gameplay but I will keep playing madden because i love football
It's gonna be very hard to have a game without "cheesy" plays. Videos games will always be games first, meaning there will always be tactics that are more overpowered and there will always be ways to confuse the AI. With that said, Madden can get a lot better with their AI than they currently are.
AJ Southward You can stop everyplay. Just because it works well dosent mean it’s cheesy.
I think people refer to cheesy in the sense that, the correct coverages don't stop it. I agree everything can be stopped, and I don't even like the term "cheese", but many things in Madden shouldn't be as hard to stop as they are. Calling the correct coverage should be enough most of the time, but it isn't.
AJ Southward And that’s why madden is going to keep selling because they know that if it’s one group of ppl who’s going to by the game it’s ppl who the love the game of football
I think they need more football guys who understand code to help make the games more realistic and then the "cheesy" plays wont work.
the nfl does the same thing changes their integrity of football for casual fans..no more hardhitting adjusting rules allday for offense the whole sport is going to shyyyt
@Deep Mind X yep entertaining the sport has died
That's why to this day i still play NFL 2k5 w/updated rosters Madden sucked after Madden 07 for PlayStation 2
O8 is good but after that it starts to go down hill
How do you get updated rosters for older games?
BOYCOTT MADDEN!! They literally release the same game every year
I hate that Madden sucks nowadays...but I still find myself buying the damn game 🤦♂️😭 #MakeMaddenPlayableAgain
Bruh wtf comment is this!!! You want change but aren’t willing to do what it takes to get there?!?! Pathetic! stop buying this trash ass game for a year or two and watch it be so much better! DO NOT BUY IT IF YOU WANT ACTUAL CHANGE. SUPPLY AND DEMAND! If the demand for the game is down because people think it’s trash then they will only be forced to work on their product and give the people what they want so that the demand will go back up! Please don’t buy it man it will make football gaming so much better for the rest of our lives if we resist and make them make changes!
Jvstobandzz Piece Of garbage
Jvstobandzz why would madden change thr game if people like you buy it anyways you holding everyone back buy buying a game you say sucks as if theirs a gun to your head
Griffin Wiggins - agreed
SaucyX4 • - you’re right bruh. I just can’t stand the fact that all of my friends buy the most recent one yearly and I’m the last one to buy it bc I wanna see reviews and stuff. But this year I just got madden 19 for free lol
soooo, basically you're saying we are stuck with madden and EA, and to just shut up and deal with it. lmao.
I didn't say shut up and deal with it. You can complain or do whatever you want. But the reality is yes we're stuck with one game.
EricRayweather unless people stop buying the game, even if 20-30k don’t buy the game it would help.
Basically
EricRayweather maximum football is being released in September. College football is back!
Right I just wish it would be better I just I'll deal with it
Eric the real reason why we won't get a NFL 2k licensed game is because Madden used his NFL connections to get the exclusive license. By doing this he insured that his kids and grandchildren would have a family business for life. So he basically avoided 2k from taking over like NBA 2k did live. Notice how they stipulated that 2k can now do a arcade but not sim game so it doesn't compete with Madden.
Eric, thanks for this incredible video on the topic, it’s honestly one of the most informative videos I have EVER watched on UA-cam ON ANY SUBJECT I have EVER seen. That for me, is really (really) saying something but I mean it. Research, presentation, voice quality and more research, information, opinion, interpretation of a complicated subject, your thoughtful opinion... A+ for me in every case. This could be an instructional video on how to correctly opine on difficult topics. Blown away.
EA needs to take a look at San Diego Studios and their product, "MLB The Show"..
My first year playing, never enjoyed a sports vidya game so much. :D
Those people seem to really give a sh*t, unlike the capitalist exec's of EA..
I'd like to see a game come out for sports games that aren't license. You just create you owner team city players. Make no likeness to any real teams or players. Give a story mode.
Thomas Fulton so blitz
TheSam810 makers of blitz (I forgot) should make another one and do it yearly.
Blitz, Axis Football, and Maximum Football are alternatives for sim football but Blitz is the best of those three in my mind. Especially Blitz 2
@@custom-r the hell, blitz was arcade-ish
Yearly sports releases shouldn't even be a thing, it only existed because there was no other way to update the roster prior to the internet becoming mainstream. The upgrades were just as stale back then but were justified because it was the only way to play with the current year roster and honestly thought it would be a thing of the past once rosters could be updated online and they could devote more time and resources towards making a better product to release every few years. For what they produce every years, it's a fraction of content compared to the DLC for most games and that's a slap in the face to anyone still supporting EA.
I disagree with you on one thing, Eric. Madden is not EA's flagship franchise. FIFA is. It's even broken out on its financial report while Madden is part of a group (EA Sports). In fact, the whole 'ban loot boxes' movement targeted FIFA because of the money it made for EA (that EA specifically admitted to, while pleading poverty in the same breath).
I still find it fun because I only play franchise, but I find it super annoying how buggy it is, especially the part where 75% of the time the clock runs when you go out of bounds.
2k would make a better football game
Not overnight it would take them a couple of years they been gone too long
Dexter Monson yeah right 2k5 is still a better game, then madden 19 madden 19 just has better graphics and more game modes
What if the NBA does this? Imagine a world with only nba live..👀
Don't ever put that kind of horror in the atmosphere again lol
I take live over 2k
Your first mistake was getting your information from the NFL, the truth would easily be obtained from just watching the stock market. EA was scared, 2004 wasn't the first time EA was offered the exclusive deal from the NFL. But it was the first time EA took the offer for a grand total of $300 million for five years. The reason being was by the end of the football season Madden was no longer outselling 2K ten-to-one but only by a margin of seven-to-four. We saw a similar trend between EA's live and NBA 2k and we all know what happened to EA there. Those reasons you give in this video are just face-saving reasons the NFL want us to believe. It was all about money, the NFL basically offered EA a way to stay on top, but it would cost them.
Great vid
Outstanding job brother. I sincerely hope more of the masses listen and pay attention to the information you put forward. Us dedicated gamers (me being a Franchise man) probably need Rex back...in order for real change. At least put someone in place who actually cares about committed customers.
I hear you man, but you sound a little pessimistic to the whole idea of even having competition. That's part is a little odd to me. Idk. Maybe you're just stating facts and everything you're saying makes a ton of sense, but your opinion on the issue seems to be opposed to the thought of having options. Didnt hear much about the positives or the other side of the argument. Not about not wanting to hear it, but there is another side to the debate that isn't really stated here.
@Christopher Treacy well not "argument" in the literal sense man. If you would like me to be more specific, the conversation of the topic. I would say once we put in opinions into the conversation, then its a debate. Either way, i think the video was great and appreciate him opening up the conversation to the facts that he stated.
god, people want everyone to be so literal. lol. smh. I knew exactly what you meant in your comment. and to the other dude, a lot of what he said in the video is opinion based, not just facts, so that could be a side of an argument.
I literally said at the end of the video that I would love to have 2k and Sony get involved and make games again lol. This video isn't an opinion piece, it's all facts. There's no other side of the argument, this is the reality of the situation, and there's no signs that point towards it changing. If I sound pessimistic, it's because the reality of the situation is bad, and it sucks.
@@EricRayweather and I said i appreciate the video . sounds like you took some offense with your "lol". I wasnt even tryna get at you like that. there is a lot of opinions in your video, and I also said what you are saying in your video is "stating facts", and "makes a ton of sense." Im just saying the overall tone of the video sounds like you feel it would be a bad idea for anyone to aquire the license to even attempt. THAT part is an opinion.
It may come off like an opinion but that's not my opinion, that's the opinions of the people who work in the industry. They don't think it's a good idea, that's why they haven't done it. Why would I care what they do? If they made games, that benefits me. I want the games, but I understand why it's not smart business decision for them to make it.
This is an excellent video. Well done. All Madden fans should watch it. Thanks for the honest analysis.
2k let too many years pass so a whole new generation of gamers are all about Madden they have no idea about NFL 2k5. So yea the cost and return wouldn't be beneficial smh sucks. Backbreaker had some pros but ultimately nobody supported.
Great video and spot on. People often forget that these companies are business first and foremost which means that they will usually position themselves from a business pov first before a gamer's pov.
@@ImInPhilVIlle25 Okay, you have a point. I should re-phrase my statement. MOST companies are business first and foremost... But I would also like to add that EA, Ubisoft, Take Two, Activision Blizzard, etc. are all major companies that produce triple-A games every year. I suspect their business model is more about selling the most copies possible and profit considering how much it costs to produce these sorts of games. They have a "responsibility" to their shareholders to make the company as profitable as possible. I'm not saying by any means that they should ignore what gamers want. In an ideal world, you would want games to make a lot of money whilst also be reasonable towards its consumers. It's also not to say that Digital Extremes didn't pour a lot of resources into Warframes. I'm sure they did, but their business model is more about the gamers than making a profit, so kudos to them-I absolutely respect and applaud their decision like many others that they took to take their "slot machine" mechanic out of the game.
In the end, it's a complex issue that can't please everyone. It should be a balance between both (profitability and making games for the gamers), but as we all know, there will always be people who prefer to slide into one category over the other.
Wow, as a core gamer for Madden, and of recently 2K as well... I am at a loss for words because quite frankly you answered all my questions and ideas, which in turn really sucks to know. I hate that this is the truth and I really have no idea what could possibly encourage 2K or anyone to make another NFL licensed football game. Well done video, love the content. Great job!
One random meh idea for 2K would be to make a football game not licensed, offer demos, and sell it at a cheaper price. If people like the gameplay enough, maybe just maybe, it could justify going for a license with the NFL for a new game at full cost. That way if they did want to try for the football market, they aren't committing quite as much out the gate to a possible loss. And if things go well then they maybe could steal a chunk of the market from years to come. Idk I just want EA to have to actually try man
2k should help EA with madden.... 😂😃
i swear ive thought about that idea in the past too. lol would never happen though
Nathan Drake it just wouldn’t work, they’re both greedy companies it’d be one of the most micro transaction based games ever😂.
I approve of this message💯 I been playing madden since "94" this game is a legendary name and apart of football culture! No way in Hell "Madden" will ever do bad just because people buy based off the name and sport. Great knowledge video
I always bought and played both back in the day. I'm not one of those guys that wants madden to go away completely, but I like competition and options. That's all
Great Vid Eric! You summed it all up. Its surprising to me that when I talk to people about Madden. They still think EA is just keeping other companies away with a exclusive license. Like you said tho, consumers are not the smartest people. Sad thing about you Vid is if you really pay attention to it. We really are at a point where its Madden or nothing. We just have to hope the higher ups at EA let the developers make the game they really want to make one day!
I'm one of those not so smart consumers. I've gotten Madden almost every year since 1997. I've played 2k when I would go over friends and family houses but never had the interest to buy a copy. I'm a franchise mode die hard. I don't even get deep into MUT like a lot of my friends do. But I do try and use as many of your tips as I can. I've followed your channel since the summer of Madden 18. Good stuff man
I didn't mean that everybody who buys Madden isn't smart, kind of worded it wrong. If you enjoy Madden, you're not wrong or dumb for that. I meant it to say, most consumers don't actually understand why Madden isn't that good, a lot of people think it's an amazing game and couldn't imagine not playing it.
Madden would die off if 2K came back. I've refused to buy Madden in 3 years and will continue to not buy it.
Wow, a lot in there. I appreciate your passion and dedication. It's interesting, it seems like we really don't have a choice, but I suppose we'll see what happens in the future. Your take doesn't seem totally nihilistic, but it's kind of how it left me feeling. Just my two cents. Keep doing what you're doing. Love all the videos.
Naw NBA 2k starting to fall off it’s not fun no more it’s all about the money
major smith 23 I would actually say ‘19 wasn’t bad, mycareer grind is way more realistic and so much better now
I DON'T care about the NFL License. I just want a football simulator with a franchise mode. If All Pro Football 2K8 had a franchise mode, I would still be playing it in 2019!
That was the only thing that hurt APF 2k. Just needed a franchise mode and actual total customization.
For Pizza It's Now Pizza Hut
Papa John's Dropped Their license with the NFL Due to losing Business with all The National Anthem Protests 2 Years ago.
It use to be local chains and who ever the team signed with for a national Chain
Cause I mean the NFL didn't really lose any business the boycott was basically equivalent to the EA boycott that goes on every year
@@EZR725 the restaurant lost business
What would the NFL do if EA doesn't want to pay for the license?
i wouldn't be surprised if they create their own video game company to make the games themselves. They would have 100 percent control of the game's content.
Lonestarr033 if NFLPA just made the they’re own game 100% by themselves than it’d be the best it’s not like they need the money and they decently know the game.
I don’t they they would care if the public had an nfl game or not.
@@RedBearNAaron It's not apologetic lmao. He's being 100% realistic and using logic to come up with an answer saying "hey we're pretty much fucked and stuck with what we have" the change is going to be extremely hard, no good change is easy
Man, people act like they didn't even watch the video.
Exactly. They just read the title and posted their opinion.
Bottom line is MUT brings in WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. Even if the sales of the game is lower then previous years, MUT is bringing in more and more money each year. You want to make a statement? Boycott mut and see how fast changes will b made
seriously, how much freaking money does the NFL charge for the license that even such big companies like 2K and Sony stay away for over a decade? 3 figure millions?
I’ve been doing research and ESPN collected $850,000,000. JUST ESPN. Not even EA and the rest.
this maybe the best video ive ever watched by you and on this topic.
Agree with all your points. I've been talking about the licensing cost for several years now and just had to correct somebody the other day who was trying to say the reason there's no MLB game on Xbox is because Sony owns the rights. People don't understand that the entry cost just isn't what it was in the "golden age" of PS2/Xbox. One point of yours I would question though is if EA is really better served sticking with NBA Live (where they get dominated in sales) as opposed to bringing back MVP (where they'd have guaranteed sales on Xbox). Assuming the licenses cost the same, I guess the only negatives would be 1. starting from scratch (like you mention) and 2. the thought that combined NBA Live sales on Xbox and PS4 would be greater than MVP sales on Xbox (assuming nobody on PS4 buys MVP because they already have The Show). I'm not sure how I feel about that. To me, filling in a void and slowly building momentum seems smarter than continually releasing a product at a loss. But who knows.
Papa John's is out. Pizza Hut now.
Thank you for these facts. I didn't know a lot of these facts before you made this.
He right I hate Madden but I still buy it
A lot of valid points , your pretty smart dude . You crushed my soul with the truth 😞😂 R.I.P ESPN NFL 2k ..... gone but never forgotten
Thank you for this video. Many in the industry should watch this as I have lost count of how many times I've heard insiders say that Madden out and out bought the license when in reality the NFL put it up for bid and EA won. The NFL wanted one producer, it's not that this was EAs idea.
The Apple comparison was a perfect example
Ayy thanks brotha your videos are good and well informed.
am i the only one that still plays madden 18 and hasn't gotten madden 19 ?
I got 17
The only company to spend money on the license besides EA was Epic games with fortnite
Excellent video. THUMBS UP!
2K is just as bad as EA when it comes to things like micro transactions, if not worse.
This is the main reason why I liked the last couple gens better (ps3, ps2). Sports gaming options were SO much better than current gen.
What they need to do again is make a demo for us to test the game they they did when the PS4 first came out then based on what we see and think is wrong or can use improvement and also what’s good. Even tho people don’t want to admit it but madden was not bad a couple years ago like 12-25 was good and even 16 was good and for those games they had a demo for us first
I did my own personal protest last year. I did not pre-order the game but waited until November when they seemed to have fixed a lot of the major bugs. It was also selling for $30 at the time so it made the decision easier. If more people waited like i did it'll send a message to EA that the NFL video game market isn't made up of consumers with blind loyalty, but people who expect a new, improved and exciting game every year, not just a roster update and font changes.
I wonder if you’re underestimating the amount of people who would be willing to switch over to a 2k football game. Maybe years ago it would’ve been more likely that casuals wouldn’t switch over, but 2k’s name as a brand is way bigger than it was when they stopped producing a football game. The company has built up a lot of goodwill with its NBA series, and is now a staple of sports gaming, and a brand that people know.
Just stop buying the game. Thats the only wait to make them know, but those kids with they moms credit cards are stronger than us. Not much we can do
CFL please save us all
Since Madden Mobile went to Madden Overdrive, I've boycotting EA for that. Not buying or playing an EA made game because they ruined it for mobile devices.
@Merrick Myers Agreed.🍌
@@TheJumpman706 Agreed.🍌
2k should buy a license and create their own ultimate team. They could double their profits.
As long as it’s like not like the new ultimate team. 99 overall everything is boring.
All of this because the NFL has a ego and greed problem. They would rather protect their brand rather than expand it by being more accessible to moderate budgets. Certain aspects of the NFL needs to be broken-up.
There goes my hope for a new NFL 2K game☹️
NFL 2K was the better game once 2K5 released and it was not even close. EA doesn’t put in the work. Over a decade later and 2K5 still has in game details and penalty calls we will likely never see from EA
these videos r really helpful. Thanks Eric
Glad you like them!
The problem with sports games in general is this ridiculous yearly cycle of releases. Sports games development should be like other video game genres, where they spend a few years or so to make one really good game, or at least attempt to. If people can't live without their updated player rosters, those could be DLC or something for the game. I personally don't care about having licensed NFL teams, but I guess a lot of idiots value team skins over good game play. Blitz the league and All Pro Football didn't have licensed NFL teams, and those games are great.
Bro you need to run for President for breaking this video down 👍
Make Madden Great Again
Real talk. One of your best videos. Thanks for your time and research. I know the gaming industry has to make money, but it just bothers me that everything is about money, not the consumers.
What you’re talking about make allot of sense. My kids buy madden just because it’s madden and don’t know about the issues and when I tell them they look at me crazy. Also I’m a Apple user and I’ve been engrossed in their ecosystem for so long, it would take too much to switch, even though I really like the new Samsung Note.
Ps. Like the old school football games u got on here, I was trying to name them all and the players👍🏿
Great video Eric. Really sound, rational, well thought out ideas.
Drop NBA and bring back fight night
I miss the madden where you had to flick the analog twice for field goals
Bottom line we’ve got one mediocre NFL game that will probably be the same as it was last year. I played Madden hardcore from 1994 - 2002. Then it just got stale. I gave 2k a try and loved it. I rented it but wasn’t going to buy though. Because EVERYONE gets Madden!! I could imagine buying a different game. I sucked it up though and bought it. When the lost the license, I didn’t buy a new football game until Madden 15. It was decent so I was excited to try it on PS4. Bought 17 and didn’t finish a season. Bought 19 and really tried to get into it but didn’t finish a season.
Already planning to skip Madden next year unless I hear really good word of mouth.
No. I skipped from 2003 to 2015. Then I bought 17 & 19. I’m content to skip it.
@@jmarcguy Give it another shot.. EA has spoken up several times in recent years about the push for a better product, not simply a 'new' product. It's part of the reason they've shuffled around leadership on people like Rex, and such. Obviously there's internal politics going on we'll never know about or understand, but EA really is pushing to make Madden better. You just have to remember that there's the external (or.. internal?) force of the marketing team and leadership that need the ability to market NEW NEW NEW! BETTER! BIGGER! kinda' shit so they can attract new players. Hardcore fans will always buy. Short of the game not booting up, the hardcore fans will always buy it, every year. But the target is new buyers, which is why new cool features are needed. But the push to make both new and old fans happy can be seen with improved animation quality.
I think that they need 2 switch, let 2k do football exclusively for 4 yearz while ea do 🏀. Then switch again n every 4 yearz
the thing is, if any company could take it, it would be 2k. You mention live, but you underplay how huge live used to be. Live was the only real way to play NBA back in the day, 2k did take over the market. They did it once they could do it again.
Yo IMAGINE if 2k did a mycareer mode where you can play street football with friends (like a 7v7)and play in the nfl with your myplayer like nba 2k
Just 20 sec in all i want is the espn 2k series back !
At least 2K didn't overprice a football game like EA overprices us every year!!!
Then why does 2k overprice their games now by that same logic? And also put way more microtransactions in them as well? Hmm
Good job. Very informative
Thanks for breaking that down. It makes perfect sense so I understand. Still Madden NEEDS competition and unfortunately I am finished buying Madden at least for the foreseeable future. Thanks again for the info!!
Solid video buddy!
Appreciate it brother!
Love the video and you made some great points. Madden has been on the decline for a while, we all know that. I was that guy that would buy every years edition during the Ps2 days. But I haven’t bought madden like that for a while. I bought 19 thinking it would be good, but sadly it collects dust.
I miss competition between companies with sports games. EA didn't rest on their laurels back then. Every time you bought a new Madden or MVP baseball, each game felt different instead of just being a roster and soundtrack update. Another thing I used to like was when I would get tired of playing Madden or EA NHL, I could go get the 2K counterpart, and have a fresh experience.
So what youre saying is were stuck with Madden 😢 ?
I never heard of the NFL leaving 2k out of talks for the NFL license. I remember reading an article about about Sega being offered the license and feeling competition was better and choosing not to be the sole maker of NFL games. Everything I ever heard stated NFL first offered 2k the license and upon being told no, only then went to EA for them to be the sole maker of NFL games. This is honestly the first time I have heard anything stating otherwise, up to watching this video everything I saw and heard pointed to EA being the second company approached to buy the license.
Great job with the video! So much useful information
Thank you!
Blaming 2k because of the greed of the nfl is just plain bs
Regardless of who purchased the exclusive license, the game would still have gotten to this point.
Thanks for the break down Bro
How much does it cost? For the licensing
Great video. 😁 I agree with all your points. The NFL license is overpriced if you ask me. Just like most of the actual players in the NFL. Noone is worth millions of dollars. No matter how good or talented they are. That goes for all pro sports. The players are too greedy these days.
Nba live 05 was the greatest bball game ever... And there hasnt bn a dunk contest with those smooth controls and a accurate score for dunks since
They should sell Madden for 30$ every year. Just release a big roster update / dlc every year for like 20$. That does a graphic update, and obviously roster updates. at least then more people will buy it, and you still get the mut players as well.
All 2k has to do is ask the people “Do you guys want a football game?” Put up a go fund me type of thing for the people to donate to help with the funding of the game and once the amount is met they’d realize how bad people want a new football game. I know the big madden UA-camrs and streamers would even help with the funding.
EXCELLENT IDEA!!
Just wow thanks for this stream
I've enjoyed these informative videos about the business side of Madden more than any other type of video on the channel. Keep it up 👍
Thanks man!