⁴ᴷ⁶⁰ Philadelphia MFL Line Front Window View - B Skip Stops from 69th Street to Frankford
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- The Market-Frankford Line (MFL) is one of two rapid transit lines in Philadelphia, operated by SEPTA. It runs from the 69th Street Transportation Center in Upper Darby, just outside of West Philadelphia, through Center City Philadelphia to the Frankford Transportation Center in Near Northeast Philadelphia. With more than 180,000 boardings on an average weekday, it is the busiest route in the SEPTA system. The line has both elevated and underground portions along its full length. Until February 21, 2020, rush hour trains operated skip stop operation. The "M4" type trains that run on the MFL have passenger-accessible front windows, which provide an incredible view of the tracks ahead. Enjoy!
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Taken in October 2019. - Наука та технологія
Was with Septa 33 yrs and that eastbound sunrise never got old..i was going through the acceleration and braking LOL...haven't rode Septa since I retired...
Takes me back to my teenage years. Riding to every corner of the city.
0:45 If you look to your left, you can see the remains of the NHSL's interchange with the PRR.
8:21 While the new El structure is nice, I kinda miss the old stub where the El used to go all the way to 24th St. The current tunnel was completed in 1955, and the El structure from 24th St. to 45th St. demolished.
9:45 Off to your right, tunnel stubs for a never-built Southwest Philly El.
13:55 This stretch of the tunnel runs under the Schuylkill River and must constantly be pumped dry. During WWII, the unfinished tunnel was allowed to flood, discouraging would-be saboteurs.
15:40 I've been told that this stretch of the MFSE was filmed as a stand-in for the NYC subway for the original "Taking of Pelham 123". I've never been able to prove it one way or the other... :)
21:15 This curve was reworked to accommodate I-95 construction in the 1990s. The original Fairmount station was replaced by the Spring Garden station at that time. They did stress testing on the 1918 vintage El structure, only to find it was nearly as strong than as-built.
21:54 The approximate location of the original El portal. In 1908, the track made a U-turn to the right and headed south along Delaware Avenue to serve the Pennsylvania Railroad and Reading Railroad ferries. The line continuing to Frankford was not completed until after WW1. Ferry service would continue until the Ben Franklin Bridge made the ferries obsolete. The El on Delaware Avenue was demolshed in the late 1930s.
24:25 Return to the original Frankford El alignment.
25:30 While the original 1907 Market Street Elevated from 24th to 63rd Sts. straddled Market Street, the 1919 Frankford El was constructed on cantilevered pillars in the middle of Front Street, turning onto Frankford Avenue.
Great information
@@rawvision6701 Glad to be of assistance! :D
Where would that EL have gone to?
@@WaltGekko The Southwest Philly El? Along Woodland Avenue to Chester or thereabouts.
@@MMitchellMarmel Would it have replaced a trolley line?
I’ve been going on this train since I was a baby
same lol
Same.
Took a joyride on both the MFL and BSL during my day-long visit to Philly last January, and yes, I also traversed through the Broad-Ridge Spur (just not the PATCO Speedline due to time constraints though, sadly).
Glad you put the names of the stations on the screen. It would be great if you could do this on your videos of the NYC transit. Some of us don't ride every line in the city. This was a great video! It seems that most of .the line is pretty straight.
Thanks for posting! Rode this for a number of years back in the 70's from 69th to K&A. I usually fell asleep in the mornings after leaving 69th St and woke up when it made the turn to head north. K&A wasn't nearly as bad then as it is now.
Wow these trains have very fast acceleration
They REALLY do 😯
If only the trains in nyc had this type of acceleration :(
And SPEED, especially on the express track.
Or smoothness of ride, for that matter.
I was just going to say the same thing
@@robertschmidt7625 come to sf they are pretty fast here
when you can walk to the next station in like a minute it just looks faster. my opinion. I've ridden that A train from Troop Ave in Bk to Far Rockaway and Dilzamn.
Our trains don't have as many cars and people so that may play a part also.
Grew up in Frankford back in the 50’s and 60’s. Great neighborhood then, not so much now. Interesting trivia bit: all the double crossover you see periodically, we’re single crossovers before the line was rebuilt back in the 90’s. If they were working on one of the lines and the train had to use the other track, then the train had pull past the crossover, back up over to the other track, then proceed forward. This was a real time consuming move.
Fishtown is thriving but that's about it. It's very sad and heartbreaking. Nothing in W. Philly matches the drug nightmare in Kensington.
Thanks so much for this video! I ride this line from 5th street to 40th street and back when I visit my doctor. I've only been as far as Frankfort 1 time, so it was interesting to see the line from start to finish. Thanks again for this surprise!
philly is such an interesting city
I like the sound it makes when it moves and stops.
Its the same sound like the Berlin subway
Yes, thats the same technic like in Berlin, because this Philadelphia trains are build in Germany by ABB Daimler Benz transportation systems, ( short ADtrans ).@@rikudousennin938
I just realized that all of the north Philly stations, between 26:00 and 32:00, are named after counties in PA. Berks, York-Dauphin, Huntington, Somerset, Allegheny, Tioga and Erie (Torresdale).
Also, they are the names of the cross-streets near each station
Welcome back to the market Frankfort line @DJ Hammers. 😎
dj
The Montreal subway can't reverse without going through a whole lot of red tape, several supervisors and another operator in the rear getting involved. If the train overruns the station by a door or two they can usually call for an authorization to open the doors partially in the tunnel, but it they overrun by more than that, it causes a delay on the entire line. It happens very rarely since most trains operate in automatic mode, and even in manual mode there is a safety switch that triggers the emergency brake if a train misses the platform, or comes in too hot into the station.
but yall got them rubber tires. so quiet!
What the conductor did hear isn’t usual on the El either. They probably got a mouthful from their supervisor after this happened.
Not many people know that the loop track that the trolleys use at 13th street actually has an area for a second track. its where they used to turn the trains before the line was extended east.
Reminds me of the Blues Brothers movie (which took place in chicago) and you have happen to rent a room or have an apartment right at the rail line, "How often do the trains pass by? So often, you won't even notice it".
Well done! Used to take this line to the University of Pennsylvania ,The Palestra (34th Street), Convention Hall where the Warriors of the NBA played in the Wilt Chamberlain days 30th Street station for Commuter Rail lines, City Hall (15th Street)and Olde City (5th Street (Independence Hall).
fast and smooth with a beautiful sky. great video.
They never have loudspeakers on the old Almond Joy Cars Also they blew whistles to indicate that the doors are closing on these trains
Man, Somerset n Allegheny Stations is lk walking into another dimension where zombies rule. What a mess
The kensington neighborhood UK AUS CDN spelling Neighbourhood home to Temple Uni. Want a safe school then 30th St Upenn or R5 Doylestown-Thorndale/Parkesburg Villanova Uni
Here's something I found out:
The Flushing Line and Market-Frankford Line share some of the same station numbers.
69th Street
52nd Street
46th Street
40th Street
The Market Frankford Line also shares the name 63rd Street with the Lexington Avenue-63rd Street Station of the IND/BMT 63rd Street Line, and 34th Street with: 34th Street-Herald Square (B)(D)(F)(M)(N)(Q)(R)(W), 34th Street-Penn Station (1)(2)(3)(A)(C)(E) and 34th Street-Hudson Yards (7).
Great video - I ride it all the time
Really an interresting and beautiful line with great speeds. I love it. Thanks for the video.
Many's the time I did this run at the front of a Budd "Almond Joy" car with the front door window down. Good times, good times.
can you tell me whats special about car 622 of the Budd cars?
@@medickdd Would that be the only one that was actually airconditioned? :)
@Lighthouse in the Storm No. That was car 614.
36:50 My home stop, Margaret-Orthodox(Arrott St Terminal)
Rode this train heavy between 1994-2002 then moved to NYC and rode the G train heavy lolz
Really enjoyed your awesome video!
This is my happy place. 💙
Back when I ran motor on the CTA "EL" backing up an in service train would get you fired. So, if you overshot, you let the conductor know and then you got out of the cab and protected the door(s) not in the station. That would you get you a meeting with the boss, but you still had a job.
There is door controls and the operator press two buttons on the doors that overshot the platform,sometimes only half of the door.
I can feel the train stopping and starting and smell the cleaning chemicals in the underground stops.
Been on many an el and subway in both Chicago and New York. I've never experienced being on a train that accidentally overshot a stop like what happened at 11:55.
Them trains don’t have the speed as the L in Philadelphia
I took the el a lot when I grew up in Upper Darby (just W of the city). It was fairly rare but there were occassional overshoots. In the old days the driver held down a buzzer so the conductor (door operator) knew not to open the doors, then they'd give 2 quick buzzes when the train was backed up enough. I occasionally would look out the front. Note the small yellow "O" and "B" signs shortly before many of the stations. I have speculated that this was "off" ie coast, and "brake" but I don't know that this really was so. If B is brake, you can see that they don't brake very far ahead of the station, so you could see how once in awhile they'd overshoot. I seem to remember that the rush hour rate was a train every 2.5 min. , so no time for lollygagging into the station :).
It's common on the El, mainly underground at 5th, 8th, 30th and 34th streets since the el goes so fast
@@cploqytb oh for sure, during rush hour the headways are tight (I think it's actually 3.5 min, not 2.5 but that's still tight), yeah, they accelerate and brake fast. Frequency was greatly reduced in early 2020 and then they gradually started running more, but it may not be quite back to pre-pandemic rush hour frequency. They also suspended A/B only runs and I don't know if they've been reinstated.
@@GamerRobYT ooh yeah between 15th and 30th is a nice straight long run...it's a little hint of the broad street express on the inner tracks as you pass by the trolley stations on the outside...flying past stations is a nice feeling
hy , super video quality , nice info , very relaxing and anjoyable ride , this front view are awsome , great experience like that , thank you for sharing with us , keep up .
I'm actually watching this video because as a kid I would run up n my friends n I would fight over looking out the window. I rode the old trains. I'm 52,.. Today,. 2-12-2023,. Eagles are playing the Chiefs in the Superbowl tonight. 7-7 w 2 min to go in 1st quarter. Go Birds
Wow it just goes to show how long it’s been since I rode on the market frankford line because I remember when that arrot stop was called Margaret orthodox and the end of the line stop was bridge and Pratt, I moved out of Philly in 2006 but can’t remember last ride on the El was prior to 2006 , when were those changes made? Btw thanks for the memories
11:55 Rookie mistake and I’m just curious why some stations have a length of 10 cars compatibility
Lived in Phila. for many years yet rarleyt took that line. It was great to ride it again. Well done and interesting,
*I'll miss the a & b service. Was convenient during evening rush hour on weekdays, from center city to 69th street. Hope this helps with crowds!!!!!*
It will probably be back soon once ridership kicks up back to pre covid levels.
@@spclanghorne4494 SEPTA took it away to alleviate the amount of people waiting at stations. They’ll be keeping away with the skip stops because of the overwhelming amount of riders on the El.
Wow wow wow in the five years I lived in Philly I never seen an el over shot station this is kind of like a once-in-a-lifetime thing to be reporting
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌👍👍👍👍👍🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 Nice vídeos man !!!!! Love it
11:52 Train overshooting the station. 💀
Happens like twice per ride anymore haha
For all the times I’ve visited family in Philly, I’ve never once rode the subways there. Great video. I’ve seen/rode on rapid transit systems of many US urban centers and if seems like only NYCTA has nasty stations.
This line has some nasty stations also. 15th street smells like piss.
@@spclanghorne4494 I seen worse
Love going under the Skukill, spelled wrong river
Doctor: You have exactly 40:50 to live
Me:
You also pass the original American Bandstand TV taping location on this line.
This must not be New York, this is Philadelphia. I am seeing that the trains are a bit different except they are thin trains and not fat full trains like the MTA subway trains are. : 0
These trains have great acceleration,,
But it seems like they come in too hot into the stations.
I guess the brakes aren't as good as the acceleration🤣
I drove the el from 2000 til 04 until I transferred to the orange line the only thing I miss is the comfortable operator seat and that it called out the stops plus the in cab signals wasn’t operable yet we still had wayside signals in service then
Larry McNeil what kind of a whistle is on the M4s? I’ve been trying to figure it out for a while.
James Hartranft thats good question I never knew what type of horn it was all I know is that the horn is push button just like the enable switch on the m4 to open the doors you had to push the enable and door switch at the same time in order to open the doors
Back in the early 90s the L was crazy as a kid lol. The seats were boucy and the lights would flicker on and off
@Dj Hammers:
This subway is much faster than the NYC subway. I wonder why the NYC system can't be as fast. Is there a legit reason for NYC's to be so freakin' S. L. O. W. 🤨 ?
Dean Bianco Signal system
Interlining
Wow!! Nice underground stations, and it looks pretty clean, compared to some of the stations in NYC. Do you know when it was built??? Damn! Overran the station!! Must be a rookie!! He IS driving pretty fast!! Philly does have a lot of streetcars!! Trolleys??? I remember when I was there a few years ago, they have trolley lines all over, and I did see a trolley hub. Nice clean stations!!
I took the el a lot when I grew up in Upper Darby (just W of the city). It was fairly rare but there were occassional overshoots. In the old days the driver held down a buzzer so the conductor (door operator) knew not to open the doors, then they'd give 2 quick buzzes when the train was backed up enough. I occasionally would look out the front. Note the small yellow "O" and "B" signs shortly before many of the stations. I have speculated that this was "off" ie coast, and "brake" but I don't know that this really was so. If B is brake, you can see that they don't brake very far ahead of the station, so you could see how once in awhile they'd overshoot. I seem to remember that the rush hour rate was a train every 2.5 min. , so no time for lollygagging into the station :). . I read that the NY subways run slower than necessary because they have so many "timer" signals that the operators may get in trouble if they trip. The Phila. EL had few of these (lights that would be red or yellow, only to go green as the train approached). Looked like approaching 46th St., because after that station is the swerve and entry into the tunnel. apporaching 2nd st., because that's a sharp turn and tunnel exit. Westbound (the other way from the video) there were one or more "timer signals" before the big downhill to go under the river, presumably so they didn't get carried away speed wise and blast through 30th St. I assume NY has more slow areas because it's a much more complicated system with trains merging/diverging on different routes.
tom ryan "she"
The line opened in 1907
There are 5 active trolley lines: 10,11, 13, 34 and 36. They run in the tunnel you are seeing in Center City.
@@spclanghorne4494 Septa did have a big party in 2007 when it turned 100 years old.
The window was clean! How did that happen?
Septa does a fantastic job keeping the trains free of graffiti.
I wish to see more videos like this but for NYC subways, front view. With the stops on the bottom that will be cool. Is it possible to do ex IRT trains like 2, 4 or 5 !?
They have them on yt, just look it up 😁
11:54 me playing OpenBVE 😂
25:34 the kurt vile murallll
Like it and speaking of the combined MFL Tram tunnel SEPTA engineers that made that section might have been Sent to West Germany Frankfurt Am Main to help Deutsche Bundesbahn and RMV to build the Konstablerwache Tunnel segment Frankfurt U-Bahn and S-Bahn Rhein Main S8/S9 lines. The latter can use DB BR146.2 111 1440 440 182s at a push former Deutsche Reichsbahn GDR DR BR212 243 211 242s locos through them.
I haven't been on this line in a long time.
They overrun like it’s Christmas on the MFL
Trains to fast for the rookie drivers lol 😂
That train horn sounds kinda geeky
I must have been gone a long time from Philadelphia, I was looking for the Margaret-Orthodox station. When did it change to Arrott Transportation Center ?
I love this train but nothing is like the broad street line/broad ridge spur
We here in NYC are lucky to have 4 or 3 tracks on most lines for possible peak or express service. Take the A line it's the longest and has the longest express service.
@777 MJ Fanmades Videos Sorry to break it too you man... I am not a Philly person. I am a New Yorker, I live in the big metropolis. That is why I said we have 4 or 3 tracks on certain sections of the subway. We have 3 or 4 tracks for 2 express 1 in each direction, and on certain sections 3 tracks can be seen for peak direction express. As well as the 2 outer tracks for local services.
@@thexboxgamer9128 We do have that just not on this line plus they just got rid of A & B service which was basically this lines express
I've always wondered the meaning of the alarm tone heard at 7:40 (for example)...is this some sort of overspeed or overcurrent warning? Seems to happen quite frequently and the train operators seem to address it by reducing power momentarily and then returning the power back to where it was.
I think this is an attention aware notification for the operators, kind of like what they have installed on SEPTA Regional Rail. Instead of a deadman’s handle, they have this, and when the operator hears it, they have to press a button to let the system know they’re aware and awake.
Reminds me of the A subway line
Back in the Almond Joy day 46th was a 'B' stop.
Why did you keep blacking out the video in the underground stations?
38:45 There's a train ahead of us As soon as one leaves the Frankford Transportation Center terminal we shall proceed Thahk you for your patience
Formerly Bridge-Pratt Terminal
This line and Metro North Railroad are the only electric power lines in the US that use under running third rails
lol the guy dj posted at kensington & allegheny
24:25 Carvana vending machine!
The old Fail-Safe block signals made the line discernibly slower than what you see here.
32:57, crossing over NJ Transit’s Atlantic City Line. I wonder if ridership would increase if a station would be built here so that people could change from NJ Transit Atlantic City Line trains to SEPTA Market-Frankford Line trains.
It would probably make more sense to move Tioga station a bit to the north, then Atlantic City Line trains could get their own platform at the bottom.
Just watched on google maps an saw that it wasn’t just the Atlantic City Line, it was the Northeast Corridor, so SEPTA Trenton Line Trains and Amtrak’s Keystone Service and Northeast Regional could stop there too.
@@simonsv9449 dont know why there wasn't already a regional rail station there
@@GamerRobYT Yeah, i think it’s stupid to not have an interchange station there.
12:46 i believe thats a Silverliner V up there (correct me if im wrong)
Thats trolley, not Silverliner V
What area is best to buy tools and merchandise on the stree i mean?
Does the flashing green mean that CBTC is active?
Yes some Metro’s it different shades of green or green and blue mixed in.
We take the opposite way to my grandpa job
4:37 56th Street is where I live
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29:45 welcome to hell
Death in a bag $5
I went this train before when I was baby
could you make one on bsl
Weren't those West Philly neighbourhoods really shabby just five years ago?
More like 10
yeah 52nd st in west philly used to be notorious, it's calmed down lately, (in Southwest Philly around 58th & Woodland, it is the opposite...SW is gripped by deep poverty and violence) plus areas just a few blocks east are now becoming very expensive...I wonder how long the working-class will be able to afford 52nd st area in the future...hopefully gentrification doesn't happen too much/too fast.
Well UPenn has had an enormous impact on all of W. Phila.
@@yesec9 There won't be any gentrification like you mean on the 52nd St corridor. It would have happened already if it was going to.
im from philly but never ridden septa
OK, guys, how many stations WILL NOT hold an 8-car train?
I'm from NYC what is the top speed of those trains
Why didn't they make it a subway throughout the entire route?
The MFL used to be mostly elevated, but the section from 2nd street to 40th street had to be rebuilt underground
This was recorded before 2020 skip stop services ended
sadly they ended express trains now the EL makes stops at all stops
The African Queen
They have CBTC as I see flashing green signals?
Pretty sure that was PTC lol
Transit Sylveon Hitomi oh ok 😂
Surprised you didn't mention Amtrak's N. E. Corridor Line the train crossed over near Tioga Station.
9:14 and 9:23
Those trains have the ugliest horn I ever heard. Sounds like it needs oil and a rat exorcist.
Yeah, well they're pretty outdated
14:00 Im a philadelphian and i try not to think about the water.
And is the third rail 600v in Philadelphia
What happen to the Westbound side Video🥲AWEsome.. Anyways....
They must have a trains during rush hour
Hi
Brings back some memories. What's the deal with the "skip stop" service? It appeared that the train only skipped ONE stop west of Center City!
They just did away with skip-stop altogether because of major increases in ridership as neighborhoods on the northeast portion of the line that were suffering for years are now being built up considerably. On the west end, the line used to have skips at 34th (B) and 46th (A) but those were done away with years ago as Penn and Drexel expanded.
@@WaltGekko The funny thing is that the on-board announcements still said "makes all 'B' stops" as if the program was still in effect.
does that goes to New Jersey
No
@@shamarmays3577 ok thanks
The pacto highspeed line does
@@philadelphianexplorer4281 cool and can i get a sub bacl
back
I could never understand the logic of having A and B trains that would drive through some stations not stopping. Once you get in a train train that stops at your lettered station you can get to downtown faster but you have to wait longer for a train because the other lettered train will not stop to let you on. If it is a faster way to get where you’re going why do they only run the lettered trains at certain times?
@Lighthouse in the Storm the broad street line has trains that skip. stops without slowing down at all but they have their own set of tracks and can pass the trains that stop at every stop. Unless there are separate express tracks I don’t see how it makes any sense unless they want to designate certain stops as less important and make the people getting on at those. stops wait longer and get to their destination later so people at the more important stations can get where they are going quicker. That’s makes about as much sense as Septa charging people more to ride the regional rail lines during rush hour or as much sense as calling three of the lines “regional rails” even though they don’t leave the city. I guess it’s easier to charge people more for a subway line if they call it a regional rail and avoid a free interchange with the subway and elevated lines. But don’t get me started on Septa.