I enjoyed your trip on SEPTS's Market Frankford line. I served two congregations in the neighborhood near the Allegheny stop, and lived about a mile from the Frankford Transportation Center. The church on the left between Church and Arrot is St. Mark's Episcopal Church. The former Headmaster of Frankford Friends School near there where my kids went was also the organist at St. Mark's. On the right near the Church stop is a pink Presbyterian church. The parking garage on the left before the Framlfprd Transportation Center is for Frankford Hospital on the left just before the garage. thanks for a visit to my old stomping grounds!
Awesome ride!! Nostalgia for me. I quite often ride this line to 69th St to connect with the 101 and 102 trolleys and the P & W. I've ridden to the Frankford Terminus to connect with buses to a shopping mall. Thanks for sharing and the interesting commentary.😀😀♥️♥️
@@lamontjohnson1101 I just won't take it anymore just due to some of the people who were on it. I took it back to Jefferson station from Penn's Landing just after midnight on New Years Day, and there was this loudmouth talking a bunch of shit. He lit up a crack pipe right next to me, within earshot of transit police 😬
@@thelonelywolf88 I'm sure you still ride the market Frankford line. At somepoint you'll need it to get back and forth. (Walking the streets day or night feels eerie for anyone at times, you shouldn't allow those concerns interrupt your everyday life. )
@@lamontjohnson1101 It made you scream??? I think you're being a bit over dramatic about it actually. The motion that you're referring to when the train rocks sideways is called ( The Oscillation). The oscillation is a result of the conical shape of the wheel, the wheel being not exactly flat but slightly conical with inside diameter slightlylesser than the outer diameter. In other words: The inside wheel is not as flat onto the rail as the outside one is. That's the reason for the shakes you experience.
I rode this train every day from 69th street to Margaret & Orthodox, (don't think it is called that anymore) then a return trip back in the mid 70's. I think they had 'A' and 'B' Express trains that made specific stops. This brought back great memories. Thanks for posting!
At 25:00, just past WFIL, townhouses on the south side of Market Street (on the right) are on the site of the old Philadelphia Arena, between 45th and 46th Streets. Built in 1920 and destroyed by fire in the early 1980s, it was home to hockey, basketball, wresting, etc. The Market St. el continued on east toward the city center (not sure where it formerly went underground) until the portion east of 46th Street was put below the street surface in the mid 1950s.
@@3985uprr From Wikipedia, the section from 22nd St. to 46th St. was put underground starting in 1930 and eventually opened in 1955 (funding ran out at some point, causing a stoppage in the project until 1947) . The elevated structure was removed by June 1956.
The elevated sections are not really like New York's, which are almost all triple-tracked. The main exceptions are on the Eastern Division of the erstwhile BMT: The M between Myrtle/Broadway and Metropolitan [a remnant of the ancient Myrtle Avenue El] and the J/Z east of Broadway Junction. The latter structure is sufficiently wide for three tracks with the center occupied by island platforms to Crescent Street and left mostly unused from Elderts Lane on. The former is also three tracks wide along Myrtle Avenue to Wyckoff, then becoming variable.
That was awesome being right at the front of the train. I liked your commentary letting us know where the train is passing if the station is by passed. Also explaining the tracks and lines.
I use to work for septa 8/28/95 til 2/17/21 is when I retired I drove the market frankford line from 00 til 04 then went on to the orange line until I retired
38:10 There are other rapid transits here in America that travel along highway medians and they are: -BART Train -ATL MARTA -Baltimore Metro Subwaylink -DC Metro (I rode this the most)
maaaaaan, I remember the DC Metro big time!!!! when my mom was working for the U.S. Government, one of her business trips took her to Washington D.C. and Alexandria, VA, the latter of which we went there via DC Metro.
Best part is the fast ride from 15th to 30th 2:45 ...picks up some good speed on the inner tracks bypassing the light rail stations on the outer tracks
@@antp2390 True. "Trolley" is the word that fits Philly better. Let's remember though, that "trolley" and "light rail" run on the same track gauge, and the differemces have to do with single va multiple cars linked together, and varying amounts of separation from street traffic.
Super nice video, and I've liked and subscribed. Being an ex New Yorker, an uber-fan of the NYC subway system as I started riding it at 8 years old, having worked for the NYCTA in '83/'84, and currently a model railroading modeller of the NYCTA subway in both HO-scale and O-scale, I'm as fanatical of that system particularly and of subway systems in general. The CTA is without question the greatest elevated lines in America. I enjoyed watching this and noting just how spotlessly CLEAN the stations & tunnels are of the Philadelphia subway system noting the tracks in the stations are completely free of litter and trash as you'd find in that pigsty NYCTA subway system. Considering that my son and his colleagues in the airline industry refer to Philadelphia as "Filthadelphia" I was pleasantly surprised by the cleanliness of the subway stations. Any idea just how fast (MPH) those trains run on those long stretches? I was shocked to learn from one of my retired Motorman (now the PC term, 'Train Operator') friends of the NYCTA that the 'express' trains in the system run an average of 35 MPH despite appearing to be going much faster. Keep up the great work!
Philadelphia has some raunchy neighborhoods but there are some very nice places if you know where to go. They are world class destinations. Philadelphia doesn’t get enough credit. It’s all negative. I love the city.
@6:00 This is the best part of the Market Frankford line, between 34th and 40th Street - I visited Philadelphia this year from 15th to 17th March. I remember the film "Shazam" where Billy gets on an eastbound M/F train at 40th Street and the train stops about where 37th Street is supposed to be. But anyway that is the place in the film.
7:36 what going on with the tunnel? was there a plan to discontinue the elevated and convert the rest on the line to a subway? You can cleanly see provisions for future subway extension.
At the end of the video, didn't the train run through the loop at the west end of the 69th St station ? It used to in 1974 when I rode it. You didn't show this. Otherwise, most excellent! Aarre Peltomaa
ABC moved the show to Los Angeles Prospect studios in the Los Felix area. I had a friend who appeared on the show as one of the dancers on the show by the producers. It was the same studio where Soap was recorded. I had a ticket but missed getting in because I arrived too late.
On the MBTA, at the last stop where the trains have to turn around, they have mbta employees sweep the trains, and won't let the trains go until all passengers are off the train. If they refuse to leave, they delay the train, and call the police to have them removed. Any other transit agency that does that?
Before re-entering the tunnel, what is the metal work with short crossbars and bolts on the median? It appears to be the remnants of a narrow ledge at platform height. What was that used for, evacuation and rescue?
There's a logical reason for that. When the Market-Frankford El was built in the 1900s, there were a shit ton of trolleys that ran through Center City as well as a ton of landmarks near the stations. Originally the El went into a tunnel at 22nd Street believe or not! (Today the Peco Building sits over the portals) and surface trolleys ran in the subway from 30th Street (The El stopped at 32nd St back then) to Juniper Street (today's 13th Street St) making local stops. Though after 13th St/Juniper/City Hall East, there was no trolley tunnel to provide local service so the El had to make all the stops where othere trolley lines crossed. This included 11th Street for the 23 and back then the 20 Trolleys, 8th Street for the 47 Trolley and Lit Brothers Building (and eventually the PRT Bridge Line and PRT Ridge Ave Lineswhich would later become the PATCO and Ridge-Spur Lines respectively), 5th Street for the 50 Trolley and Independence Hall and 2nd Street for the 5 trolley and Olde City.
I enjoyed your trip on SEPTS's Market Frankford line. I served two congregations in the neighborhood near the Allegheny stop, and lived about a mile from the Frankford Transportation Center. The church on the left between Church and Arrot is St. Mark's Episcopal Church. The former Headmaster of Frankford Friends School near there where my kids went was also the organist at St. Mark's. On the right near the Church stop is a pink Presbyterian church. The parking garage on the left before the Framlfprd Transportation Center is for Frankford Hospital on the left just before the garage. thanks for a visit to my old stomping grounds!
Awesome ride!! Nostalgia for me. I quite often ride this line to 69th St to connect with the 101 and 102 trolleys and the P & W. I've ridden to the Frankford Terminus to connect with buses to a shopping mall.
Thanks for sharing and the interesting commentary.😀😀♥️♥️
There also used to be high rise projects just past 46th Street. The arena also hosted the roller derby
Oh jeez the Market Frankford line lol. Any time I'm on it, it feels eerie
It shakes hard when going fast it’s scary , that train made me scream quite a few times speeding and shaking bad
@@lamontjohnson1101 I just won't take it anymore just due to some of the people who were on it. I took it back to Jefferson station from Penn's Landing just after midnight on New Years Day, and there was this loudmouth talking a bunch of shit. He lit up a crack pipe right next to me, within earshot of transit police 😬
@@thelonelywolf88 I'm sure you still ride the market Frankford line. At somepoint you'll need it to get back and forth. (Walking the streets day or night feels eerie for anyone at times, you shouldn't allow those concerns interrupt your everyday life. )
@@lamontjohnson1101 It made you scream??? I think you're being a bit over dramatic about it actually. The motion that you're referring to when the train rocks sideways is called ( The Oscillation). The oscillation is a result of the conical shape of the wheel, the wheel being not exactly flat but slightly conical with inside diameter slightlylesser than the outer diameter. In other words: The inside wheel is not as flat onto the rail as the outside one is. That's the reason for the shakes you experience.
I feel like I'm back home in New York.
I rode this train every day from 69th street to Margaret & Orthodox, (don't think it is called that anymore) then a return trip back in the mid 70's. I think they had 'A' and 'B' Express trains that made specific stops. This brought back great memories. Thanks for posting!
Margaret Orthodox was renamed to Arrott Transportation Center,it’s the final station before Frankford Transportation Center 😅
@@Cameronjankowski18 Thanks!
I wish a clear POV could be done for the Broad Street line . Thoroughly enjoyed the video and commentary . Thanks for posting .
That would be nice...
Yeah I do luv dat Line of Market Frankford Lot'z Mo than Dat Tho...!!!!!
Passing 63rd street there used to be the sears there used to go there when I was a kid.
I enjoyed your video very much. Thank you for making it. The large church is St. Mark's Episcopal church, Frankford.
A church with lots of musical prowess!
Very interesting! This was great to see the ride from this perspective!
I would like to say hello and thank you for sharing your journey with us
Very good, thanks. Epic speeds you can only dream of in New York.
What epic speeds???? Lol
At 25:00, just past WFIL, townhouses on the south side of Market Street (on the right) are on the site of the old Philadelphia Arena, between 45th and 46th Streets. Built in 1920 and destroyed by fire in the early 1980s, it was home to hockey, basketball, wresting, etc. The Market St. el continued on east toward the city center (not sure where it formerly went underground) until the portion east of 46th Street was put below the street surface in the mid 1950s.
I heard about that I have a number of books about Philadelphia railroads
@@3985uprr From Wikipedia, the section from 22nd St. to 46th St. was put underground starting in 1930 and eventually opened in 1955 (funding ran out at some point, causing a stoppage in the project until 1947) . The elevated structure was removed by June 1956.
The elevated sections are not really like New York's, which are almost all triple-tracked. The main exceptions are on the Eastern Division of the erstwhile BMT: The M between Myrtle/Broadway and Metropolitan [a remnant of the ancient Myrtle Avenue El] and the J/Z east of Broadway Junction. The latter structure is sufficiently wide for three tracks with the center occupied by island platforms to Crescent Street and left mostly unused from Elderts Lane on. The former is also three tracks wide along Myrtle Avenue to Wyckoff, then becoming variable.
I ride the El all the time thumbs up bro👍🏽
That was awesome being right at the front of the train. I liked your commentary letting us know where the train is passing if the station is by passed. Also explaining the tracks and lines.
Nice vid man, I am a railfan from Argentina, I was looking for some action at the Pennsilvanya rapid transit.
Fun fact: Septas underground rail is based off new yorks underground rail
Back in the day department stores could be accessed direct from stations via concourses.
I use to work for septa 8/28/95 til 2/17/21 is when I retired I drove the market frankford line from 00 til 04 then went on to the orange line until I retired
46 st one of my home areas in west philly 52nd street, 56 street and 60th street
38:10 There are other rapid transits here in America that travel along highway medians and they are:
-BART Train
-ATL MARTA
-Baltimore Metro Subwaylink
-DC Metro (I rode this the most)
maaaaaan, I remember the DC Metro big time!!!! when my mom was working for the U.S. Government, one of her business trips took her to Washington D.C. and Alexandria, VA, the latter of which we went there via DC Metro.
And the CTA
@@JoeyLovesTrains The guy already mentioned it.
@@JoeyLovesTrains blue line
Best part is the fast ride from 15th to 30th 2:45 ...picks up some good speed on the inner tracks bypassing the light rail stations on the outer tracks
Trolleys.
@@antp2390 True. "Trolley" is the word that fits Philly better. Let's remember though, that "trolley" and "light rail" run on the same track gauge, and the differemces have to do with single va multiple cars linked together, and varying amounts of separation from street traffic.
Trolleys
Back in the early years between 15 &30th st it would travel slow now they travel about 50mph
Super nice video, and I've liked and subscribed.
Being an ex New Yorker, an uber-fan of the NYC subway system as I started riding it at 8 years old, having worked for the NYCTA in '83/'84, and currently a model railroading modeller of the NYCTA subway in both HO-scale and O-scale, I'm as fanatical of that system particularly and of subway systems in general.
The CTA is without question the greatest elevated lines in America. I enjoyed watching this and noting just how spotlessly CLEAN the stations & tunnels are of the Philadelphia subway system noting the tracks in the stations are completely free of litter and trash as you'd find in that pigsty NYCTA subway system. Considering that my son and his colleagues in the airline industry refer to Philadelphia as "Filthadelphia" I was pleasantly surprised by the cleanliness of the subway stations.
Any idea just how fast (MPH) those trains run on those long stretches? I was shocked to learn from one of my retired Motorman (now the PC term, 'Train Operator') friends of the NYCTA that the 'express' trains in the system run an average of 35 MPH despite appearing to be going much faster.
Keep up the great work!
Philadelphia has some raunchy neighborhoods but there are some very nice places if you know where to go. They are world class destinations. Philadelphia doesn’t get enough credit. It’s all negative. I love the city.
@6:00 This is the best part of the Market Frankford line, between 34th and 40th Street - I visited Philadelphia this year from 15th to 17th March. I remember the film "Shazam" where Billy gets on an eastbound M/F train at 40th Street and the train stops about where 37th Street is supposed to be. But anyway that is the place in the film.
That was St Mark's Episcopal church between Church street and arrow terminal stations.
I'm a pretty big train fan cool video
If it hasn't been mentioned yet, there was 1 Budd car that had A.C. I believe that was car number 614? A pic is out there if someone can find it
Dick Clark had American bandstand on market st el. He knew students didn’t have cars nor drivers,licenses
Great Ride. ! 🏆👍👍🇺🇸
I loved the trip on this Philly subway line. Have you done a similar video for the Broad Street line? If so I’d love to see that one too.
They don’t have RFW’s like these cars
This video needs smell-o-vision.
7:36 what going on with the tunnel? was there a plan to discontinue the elevated and convert the rest on the line to a subway? You can cleanly see provisions for future subway extension.
Thanks to Train Simulator World I'm sure I could drive the new lirr trains like a boss!😂😂
Is that subway and L train
14:46 they have almost completed construction on that building. its about 90% done now. what they are building i do not know.
Why are there gaps in the third rail?
Mainly for switches
Very cool video. This reminds me of the videos CTA made a few years back.
At the end of the video, didn't the train run through the loop at the west end of the 69th St station ? It used to in 1974 when I rode it. You didn't show this. Otherwise, most excellent!
Aarre Peltomaa
the old Bridge-Platt Stations
Nice and Awesome video
American Bandstand studio location wow did not know it was shot in PHL.
ABC moved the show to Los Angeles Prospect studios in the Los Felix area. I had a friend who appeared on the show as one of the dancers on the show by the producers. It was the same studio where Soap was recorded. I had a ticket but missed getting in because I arrived too late.
I always ride the market frankford el to 69th street to frankford
@14:48 What are they building on the right there? SEPTA should build a park and ride lot in that tract of land...
Good question
I Believe it to be a warehouse
Housing is better
On the MBTA, at the last stop where the trains have to turn around, they have mbta employees sweep the trains, and won't let the trains go until all passengers are off the train. If they refuse to leave, they delay the train, and call the police to have them removed. Any other transit agency that does that?
septa does it a bunch at times.
Before re-entering the tunnel, what is the metal work with short crossbars and bolts on the median? It appears to be the remnants of a narrow ledge at platform height. What was that used for, evacuation and rescue?
Good question. Might have been the remnants of an old walkway. That trestle was rebuilt
No cap or pun intended. But y do most New York trains run slow? Like no more than 30/40 miles per hour
Best rail videos out there. Worst political ones, however.
It is what it is.
@@3985uprr keep :em coming!
07:37 and 07:53, Man, that horn sounds like the alien zombie death ray gun. Either way, if I heard that, it would get me off the track.
Very common electronic horn. Cleveland and Dallas has them. I kinda like them. They sound like steam locomotives whistles, Hancock air whistles.
No graffiti in many stations? Congratulations! Not so everywhere, though. Sad!
Wow
The stations are so close together
Back in the day one could go direct from stations into the basement of department stores.
@@beerybill I see
There's a logical reason for that. When the Market-Frankford El was built in the 1900s, there were a shit ton of trolleys that ran through Center City as well as a ton of landmarks near the stations. Originally the El went into a tunnel at 22nd Street believe or not! (Today the Peco Building sits over the portals) and surface trolleys ran in the subway from 30th Street (The El stopped at 32nd St back then) to Juniper Street (today's 13th Street St) making local stops. Though after 13th St/Juniper/City Hall East, there was no trolley tunnel to provide local service so the El had to make all the stops where othere trolley lines crossed. This included 11th Street for the 23 and back then the 20 Trolleys, 8th Street for the 47 Trolley and Lit Brothers Building (and eventually the PRT Bridge Line and PRT Ridge Ave Lineswhich would later become the PATCO and Ridge-Spur Lines respectively), 5th Street for the 50 Trolley and Independence Hall and 2nd Street for the 5 trolley and Olde City.
@@CaseysTrains oh nice
you should see 15th street station (which connects to broad street line, busses, trolleys, and patco to NJ) during pre pandemic level of ridership.
Nice
You should put “RFW” in the title so people can find it easier
0:48
25:33
What city is this.
Philadelphia
Could the iconic church near the Frankford Terminal be the Church of the Advocate? See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Advocate
No. Looks different. It’s actually St Marks Churvh
@@3985uprr, you are correct. Thank you! See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mark%27s_Church,_Frankford