Licensed Professional Counselors Vs Licensed Clinical Social Worker: LPC VS LCSW
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2018
- Licensed Professional Counselors Vs Licensed Clinical Social Worker: LPC VS LCSW
Difference between Licensed Professional Counselors and Licensed Clinical Social Worker
Thank you so much for sharing this! I've been going back and forth about which one to go back to school for since my goal is to counsel. Much appreciated 💚💛
I'm glad this helped. I hope this video made the choice in which counseling field you would like to go into easier.
I am currently looking to go back for my masters. Have you make a decision?
Dee Mccullers hey there, have you made a decision? I’m currently trying to make the same decision as well. Let’s connect on Instagram. Message me @motdbyz
Thanks for the video im going into a dual LMFT/LPCC program. There was an option for just LMFT but
Can get the LPCC with an additional 3 courses. So, I figured why not.
Okay thank you for such great information! ☺
No problem. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Thank you so much for the information!!
No problem Julia. Thank you for watching and please let me know of any questions you may have.
Thank you, that was very helpful
Hi Ayden. Thank you. I appreciate it and I'm glad it was helpful. More videos to come!
Thank you🙏🏿
Thanks for the information I was confused also. I am a counseling student just starting out
Hello. I am happy to hear that you are beginning your program. I you going to get your LPC or LMFT?
Scope of work for LCSW in California is clinical therapy primarily, it can also include group therapy, and lastly, at least in the county of Riverside California, can include all different kinds of case management, linkage, facilitation, coordination, and information dissemination.
Wow. Thank you, R.S for the information. The role of a LCSW is very diverse. It is very interesting all the things they can do and that the field of social work is very broad. Thank you for watching and sharing the information. 😎
I was following you for a while in the discussion but you are wring sir. Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) focuses on psychosocial theory carl max versus License Professional Counselor (LPC) and Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) focuses on all forms of psychological theory unless specialized i.e Freudian, Erickson, Piget. Everyone of these professionals performs some type of linking and referring for their clients; however, LCSWs are able to recieve higher reimbursements from Medicare. The only counselor who trumps them all is the psychologist because they can perform statistical assessments for sever mental ill clients including the VA.
Thank you, for the additional information. While you added to what I said, I wouldn't say I was wrong. I think you expounded on what I was saying. I didn't mention any of the actual theories used but, I just wanted to really clarify that social work does have more of a psychological focus vs LPC and LMFT. But I also did mention that LPCs do linking as well, just not as much as social workers, because social workers tend to work in hospitals and schools more than an LPCs and LMFTs. Thank you adding to the discussion. What do you do Mr. Wallace?
An LCSW isn't confined to psychosocial theories. They too can branch their therapy using other frameworks.
@@TickleMeElmo55 Absolutely!
Hey I have another question. If I take the masters in clinical counseling program do you think I would need a emphasis area. My advisor suggested marriage and family. I would have to take 4 additional classes.
@@faycialraymond1570 Hi Faycial, that's interesting. I wouldn't do it unless you want to work with families and couples primarily. It may give you some more skill in it but, honestly you can work with couples and families as an LPC or LCSW with or without those extra courses. I honestly would not only because it is extra time and money. BUT, if you think it will be worth your while and fruitful for your career, I'd say go for it.
I certainly will!
LPC's are more treatment, counseling specialized whereas /LCSW are more resourced oriented, social services, linking Thou both overlap--- /LPC have similar tracks as psychologists ---/LCSW have a broader scope of study and can get more jobs
Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it. And thank you for watching.
@James Synegal, MBA, MSHS, Future RN That's right. I see it all the time. They are much more alike than different.
It think it sucks that LPC’s are still not allowed to bill Medicare and also we are limited in management etc type jobs. I work where I’m fully clinically licensed but I can not be the director if I wanted because they only hire LCSW’s in that position although we have equal licenses. Also, when I was a PLPC they would not hire me until I was a LPC but they hired the equivalent license of LMSW. It’s very frustrating.
can you also tell me the difference between lcsw vs. lmft? I heard that they are largely the same , but lcsw has more job outlook and gets higher paid. would love your inputs on this! thanks!
Hi Evie. Thank you for your question. LCSWs and LMFT do a lot of the same things as well. The biggest difference is the coursework. Both of these fields require about the same amount of post-masters level supervised hours...typically 3000-3500.
I will say that, LCSWs are hired more than LMFTs and LPCs. I see organizations asking for LCSWs ALL the time; hospitals, clinics, non-profit organizations, state agencies, etc. While LPCs and LMFTs are also hired at these places, LCSWs are more frequently hired pretty much everywhere. Especially if you want to work with veterans. The pay is around the same, but it seems that LCSWs are in more demand.
An LPC and a LMFT are quite the same just the approach i.e. individualism vs family service model.
Hello! I wanted to firstly thank you so much for this video. Not only was the video helpful but also all the comments that added to it. I currently have been working as a case manager for almost 1.5 years after graduating with my bachelors in Public Health. I personally envision myself working in a hospital setting (ER) and / or opening up my own practice/ non profit and hiring multiple clinicians to run the practice with me. I’m very confused in which direction I should go in to further my education. I also do love the public health sector and have considered getting my MPH. A woman that’s in a PsyD program right now recommended that getting a PsyD would be better for me financial wise (more money). However, I noticed that it is quite a long journey to get a PsyD. I wanted someone opinion on this matter. Which direction should I head in for graduate school? If I did a dual masters (MSW/MPH) would this be sufficient in possibly opening up my own practice one day?
Hi Zain, thank you for watching and thank you leaving a comment and sharing. I'm glad this video was helpful. There are many ways that you can get to private practice and since you like public health as well, I do think social work and (or) psychology are more aligned with that. Many social workers and psychologists work in clinic or hospital settings and work with a team for integrated health care. There may be a social worker, psychologist, physician, and other professionals working together to provide a myriad of services. Becoming a licensed clinical social worker will take about 3 years of coursework, practicum and internship, and then about an additional 2 years to get full licensure. Psychology degrees, as you know, take about 5 years and then an additional 2 or so to get full licensure. Depending on what you'd like to specialize in, behavior analysis could be something that you may like. There are also genetic counselors, although I am not sure how many jobs are available for genetic counselors. Since you have case management experience, that is good so if you decide to get you MPH then perhaps you can get a job that will help you do more of want you'd like. I'd be happy to talk it over more with you. My email is joel@allthesespecialties.org
New sub here(: I want to get my LPC, but I'm doing all my schooling in TX, but would like to move out of state when im done. How hard is transferring your license between states? Should I get my degree then seek lisencesing in the state I decide to move to? (Probably Colorado or Oregon if it matters..)
Hi Christin, thank you for watching and subscribing. I apologize that i am responding late. UA-cam often does not notify me of many comments. What i would try is find out all the licensing requirements in Colorado and Oregan and then whatever program you plan to attend, see if the coursework and practicum/internship requirements match up. Some states will review transcripts if you send them into the licensing board. I hope this helped and i hope receive this response. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Thank you again for watching and subscribing.
Thank you for the helpful information. I am going to be applying to a Clinical Psych. MS program soon that prepares its students to become LPC (LPCC here in CA) or MFT - since it's a clinical psych. program, I suspect the training will be more psychological in nature? Also, I eventually want to go into group/private practice as a psychotherapist helping individuals with things like anxiety/stress/depression etc - would getting an LPC be a good route for me to take?? I'm not very interested in the resource-providing emphasis of social work
Hello. Thank you for watching the video. I am glad that you are furthering your education. And I think that you are taking the right path in pursuing your LPC/LPCC. It is also great that you are getting a masters in clinical psych just in case you decide to get into a PhD program in clinical psych to become a licensed psychologist. LPCs/LPCCs have the ability to do a lot of things in terms of therapy and you'll definitely be able to provide quality therapy from many different theories. Individuals definitely seek out LPCs over social workers for counseling in private practice settings because many people don't understand that LCSWs counsel as well. Great choice and I wish you well in getting your masters degree and LPCC. Please let me know if you have any more questions.
@@Joelschoolpsy Thank you for your help! I'll be sure to let you know if I think of any more questions :)
@@misschelz1 Thank you. :)
misschelz1 I am a social worker and we can do everything a LPC can do but a LPC can not do what a social worker can do. Most agencies will hire a social worker over a LPC.
Hello, I'm seeing a lcsw for my panic attacks, but i feel like I'm not getting anywhere with her. Should I just seek help elsewhere, or could I still see her a long with a lpc?
Hi, thank you so much for your video! I was wondering if you know the specific extent of diagnostic abilities of a LPC, LMFT or LCSW- I've been very confused because several state boards allow all those professionals to diagnose cognitive, affective and behavioral disorders, but I've also been reading that only psychologists can administer psychological tests. I'm confused because it seems that a LPC, LMFT or LCSW can diagnose anything a psychologist can, which must include assessments, but only psychologists can administer psychological tests? I've been trying so hard to find a clear distinction of what can and cannot be diagnosed and treated by a LPC or LMFT or LCSW but have had no success! If you could respond I would be extremely grateful, I've looked online for information for more than probably 30 hours in total and have found nothing that's really clear.
Carla, Please check out this link for more information: Section E discusses assessments and diagnosing in detail;
www.counseling.org/resources/aca-code-of-ethics.pdf
Hi Carla! Thank you for your comment. LPCs, LCSWs and LMFTs can definitely diagnose and provide testing/assessment. What the code of ethics for LPCs (American Counseling Association Code of Ethic 2014) states is in section E.2. Competence to Use and Interpret Assessment Instruments
"Counselors use only those testing and assessment services for which they have been trained and are competent. Counselors using technology-assisted test interpretations are trained in the construct being measured and the specific instrument being used prior to using its technology based application. Counselors take reasonable measures to ensure the proper use of assessment techniques by persons under their supervision."
So, it really comes down to what you, as a counselor are trained to do. There are MANY types of tests/assessments that can be conducted. Counselors just have to make sure they are competent/trained to conduct such tests/assessments. Now, there are certain tests that are, I'm sure, out of the scope of practice for LPCs, LMFTs, and LCSWs; test that probably can only be administered by a licensed psychologist.
allthesespecialties THANK YOU SO SO MUCH!! Sorry for the late reply!
allthesespecialties thanks!!
No problem. Please let me know if you have any other questions. New videos are up now.
Hello, when going for LPC is there a internship/field placement required such as it is when you go for MSW?
Hi Dee. Yes, in LPC programs you typically have to do a 100-150 hour practicum and a 600 hour internship. You can do this in a variety of settings. Please let me know what other questions you have. And thank you for watching.
Hello. Just watched a few of your video and would appreciate your insight: I have a bachelor's in Sociology and recently applied to Walden for a masters in forensic psychology. I'm really hesitant to get started. After researching the field post degree, I would have to get a doctorate (not really interested) I love the field but go want my degree to be useful. Any thoughts or direction? Btw, I graduated 10 yrs ago struggled through it all.
I would love to work within the criminal justice system and/or counsel domestic violence couples. Thx
@@April.Hazel-2521 Hi April, thank you for your message. It sounds like based on what you would like to do, a degree in social work would be good for you. Social workers and counselors work with the population you would like to work with but, I think social workers even more so. Becoming a clinical social worker takes about 5-6 years. After you get your masters and get your intern license...itll take about 2 years to get the required hours to get fully licensed. But I do think it is a great field to do what you'd like to do. Please let me know what other questions you may have.
@@Joelschoolpsy thx so much for responding and with good info too. I would need to get a Bachelor's in Social work ? No way, lol. I want to move forward just not sure how to do so with my sociology degree .
@@April.Hazel-2521 Hi April...no problem. They have programs now that you can get into a social work masters program with a bachelors degree in a different field. Schools now typically offer students two tracks...those with a bachelors in SW and those without a bachelors in SW. It used to be harder to get into but now, it is a bit more relaxed.
Hi, what information does anyone have about which certification -- LCPC or LCSW -- is most beneficial in terms of salary and opportunities? Thank you!
Hi Nicole. I would say that there seem to be more opportunities for LCSWs. There seems to be more jobs for LCSWs as they tend to be able to work more places. The pay is about the same...but LCSWs may make a little bit more. Thank you for your questions. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Hi there! I'm a new subbie 😀😁 😀 I wanted to know what state did you take your exam to become a LPC? I'm in Florida and I'll be starting this semester (Fall 2018) earning a MS in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. I'm super nervous about the state board exam. I know, I know, I have a while for that. But, I've bn hearing horror stories regarding the test. 😂🤣😂
Hi Connie! Thank you for subscribing. I greatly appreciate it. I'm sorry, I'm just seeing your comment. I am in the State of Texas. I know the test seems intimidating but, you'll do well. Just study all through your program and as long as you familiarize yourself with each section you should do well. There are so many theories but, honestly if you just study a little each week that will get you to where you need to be.
@@Joelschoolpsy how much and often would u suggest we study for the NCE? mine will be in April or May.
@@anitaknight3915 hi Anita. I would say.... at least 30-45 minutes daily. Learning a little bit every day is good. Also... What I did was learn something new everyday and review the stuff I had learned from the previous day. Taking practice tests were also a good way to study. You can do a practice test every week to test yourself. Please let me know what other questions you may have.
@@Joelschoolpsy I'm very grateful for your guidance because a few people suggested I study 2-4 hrs day months ahead ummmm that's not realistic lol. Was the exam very difficult? Are you a Licensed counselor? Where are you now in your journey because before I recall you pursuing your PhD if I remember possibly in a few different areas such as school psychology. I wish you the best with your journey. My program has been three years and I'm exhausted so I definitely have no plans to ever pursue a doctorate lol.
@@anitaknight3915 hi Anita. Thank you and God bless. I am in a school psychology program. I finished my counseling program but, I hadn't yet taken the NCE. I used those study tips for my CPCE and they worked well. I will take my NCE this year since I wont have as many classes to take and I'll have a little more time to study. Much fortune in the NCE. You can do it. Please keep me updated on you taking the test.
Hi! I am thinking about getting a masters in clinical mental health counseling or Social Work. I wanted to know could I work in a school setting with a masters in mental health counseling degree.
Hi Faycial. It's great that you are thinking about getting your masters. I believe that you'll find more social workers in schools. However, they do hire professional counselors in schools too. I think if you want to work in schools primarily you may look at school psychology too. It is a great field.
Thank You! I really want a degree where I can work in community health and schools.
@@faycialraymond1570 That's great. I honestly think that social work gives you a bit more latitude than professional counseling. Social workers work in schools, hospitals, the work more with veterans, private practice, clinics, etc. Social workers are really hired in more places in the community.
You need a masters for lcsw right?
Yes. And it typically takes the same time as getting you LPC and LMFT. Please let me know what other questions you may have.
Yes, two year of book work and 900 of externship. You will also need to pass the NASW board exam to become a LSW. Once you have that under your belt, you will need to work under a LCSW for a mandatory 2 yr period and pass the clinical social work exam.
@@pcdihealth , that's a lot.
You need to do some research, before you speak on this topic.
Hi KL. Thank you for watching and commenting. Please add to the discussion. I am definitely still learning more about these various fields so please let me know more information that you have. I'm happy to learn. 🤝🏿😎
allthesespecialties I do apologize for my bluntness. The internet can be a useful resource, it at the same time it can be lead to misunderstandings. I feel that any person placing themselves in a position to provide useful information should have a firm grasp of their topic. People will believe you just because you are on the internet.
@@kyndralee229 no problem. Absolutely understandable. I made this at the beginning of my current program and what I'd like to do is do an update to this video. Are you in the field of social work?