Why Picture Frame Composite Decking
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- There are many ways to finish composite decking ends. Picture framing is my top choice of the 8 ways I know how to finish decking ends.
Here is my full article of all the ways.
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Only the builder knows where the mistakes are when you do a good job...😉👍
Love it.
“Because it is beautiful” you are damm right
Thanks
So you didn’t square up the boards to the house and the whole thing is off 3/8 of an inch….. nice job you hack.
Nothing is perfect that's how I build my decks looks good keep up the good work
Thanks. It's the little tricks to make it less of a big deal that I find amazing
To get a perfectly square corner, you want to aim for a measurement ratio of 3:4:5. In other words, you want a three-foot length on your straight line, a four-foot length on your perpendicular line, and a five-foot length across. If all three measurements are correct, you'll have a perfectly square corner. Learn to square your decks and you don't have to be a hack. 👍
Did someone actually ask why picture framing is done? It's not just for composite. All wood looks like crap on the ends.
Oh and the overhang is common sense. Do you really get asked this?
Sooooo....how come the boards have that groove in the sides but the picture frame boards don't
Those grooves are called curfs. All of them have them on the bottom side (to reduce material and ultimately cost), however the perimeter (picture frame) boards are solid edge vs. grooved edge of the field boards.
The field boards are grooved to receive hidden fasteners, the perimeter (or picture frame) boards are solid edge.
What do you think about running fascia flush to deck top to hide edge, or using L-Angle trim over it?
Absolutely not, that’s the way ours is, creates a gap you’ll have to caulk and it looks terrible, the guy who built our deck didn’t overhang the picture frame boards looks horrible.
@@appleslorri2012 picture frame should overhang, the fascia to deck top is when no picture frame is used to hide raw scallop ends
@@appleslorri2012 the guy Devin from Trex academy does this very thing to allow airflow and debris to pass through. But be sure to use shims underneath attached to rim joist to allow for proper even gap.
It’s “Com poz it” not compizit the way you’re saying it is incorrect
You don’t even say ‘composite’ right, how could you possibly get an overhang right?
LOL, challenges of life.
3/8 over about 8 feet that deck is almost a full inch out of square.
duh, everyone does this. more valuable content please
Yeah... I always notice stuff like that.
What if you raise up the fascia to cover the ends sitting flush with the top of the decking boards?
Cause it will catch water behind the fascia
Or corner trims.
I just built my first deck, just like this. DIY dad 🤭 Dont come near it with the measuring tape.
LOL. Congratulations on your first deck. the ifrst is always the most exciting and the steapest learning curve.
I'm building my first decking, PVC material and measuring a thousand times before cutting 😂😂
Plugs look way better than screw heads too
Looks great.
Thanks
How come the overlap came out uneven?
Experienced man right there.
You could use a solid core composite, looks like an end cut similar to using wood. That is nice though!
Now let’s just work on how to pronounce composite. Lol. All jokes aside. Nice work.
Thanks Damian.
Say it with me.. com-poz-it not comp-a-sit
Its com-paw-zit not com-posit
You seem dishonest too
Good idea
Well duh
He'll yea
And always use the cortex screws! Just more thing that makes a more profitable job ! Along with pic framing!!!
Glad its working for you. Cortex do add to the look of the decking.
I used the FastenMaster TrapEase 3 color matched to the Trex where I couldn't use the hidden fasteners. They sunk perfect... after the first 2 went deep. But the picture frame can't get hidden fasteners on the edges. I did use a router bit from Amazon that let me cut the inside edge of the picture frame boards so I could use the hidden fasteners up to them.
Also, it was 3 years ago so things may have advanced way beyond what I learned.
they know now
Common sense
I beat myself up over not having a consistent overhang measurement. Now I don’t feel so bad. 😅
Agreed brother ! I only picture frame my decks! It makes the job !!
Love it.
I’m the owner I’m subscriber too 😂😂😂😂
Dude its so true!! If you can't hide it then accent it. Perfection is impossible but a good carpenter will make it impossible to see
Q. Why do you picture frame your composite decking....just wondering?
So there isn't a problem with that picture frame joint coming apart due to expansion or contraction of the composite boards?
Reveals are def your friend on so many things. 👍🏼
You bet. It makes so many things look better.
They will now dummy!
LOL if they look close enough, or watch this video.
There are other ways dude
Yes.
i did this with my composite decking, went with veranda since it was what was avail and tired of wood. man it burnt my fingertips carrying floppy 16' boards up in summer heat....lesson learned lol. I did the overhang 1" so i can put 3/4 under it with a small overhang but i wish i started on the inside but i have a rain screen with coravents so some wiggle room under there but i cannot push it against the back and block the airflow or the flashing so now i have some super odd shaped cut i have to do since i made the picture frame first , lots of lessons learned, just found you afterwards and will follow :) thanks
So I asked on one of ur other videos if u have done picture frame? Just saw this vid that answers my question. I do them on my stairs as well to hide the ends. Anyways good job!!
We do not have good wood like Our shop teacher did. None of our Boards are Straight and not twisted, They used to Cut down 200 year trees to build houses, now we can use 2 Year old trees. Cheaper, and WAY more expensive. $500.00 a Sq Ft.
$500/sqft? I think the math books also might not be as good as they used to be. (Oh, I see you meant $500/sqft. for HOUSES, not for DECKS, LMAO!)
But we're about a curve for like an above ground pool?
You could see it before you took the tape out.
You have a keen eye.
@@decksbye3269 when you spend the best part of 35 yrs of your working life eyeing things up, you notice things other people wouldn't... Trades people can see ALL the faults,..... non trades, just think everything is great and it ends up being one of two things.. It is either right to your eye.... OR.... The client is happy.. Even if YOU know it could be better 😉
@@martinmckay3241 ,
l made great friendships with the homeowner first and foremost, that was my
ble$$ings and my curse. I couldn't do it wrong even if l tried.
They were never there, l had their home all to myself.... so, l checked, checked and tripled checked before saying it was done. It had to meet my standards over theirs. Those interior decorators forced me to become pickier than they were.
That is the cursed part. l noticed God could give a shit about how he paints a butterfly.
Check out the proportions of the Statue of David, it wasn't meant to be seen from 6 feet either.
I love this guys work and his interaction with the humans more. ✌🏽
@@BlueOriginAire.. 😁... Sometimes you have to just step back, or you could become a bit OCD, but when you've got somebody who wants it done right, you get to be as obsessive as you want.... All those years ago, an older hand said... "If there's a good job done, the first question is going to be.. Who did that..?.... The next question is Never, How long did it take him.."
@@martinmckay3241
That reminds me of a quote:
"If you haven't got the time to do it right, when are you going to find the time to do it over?"
We had strict time-tables and could afford no wasted motion and attention to the details was the name of the game.
I also remember a guy telling me that his boss slowed everyone down at times, to remind them that they were being paid to do it right, not to do it fast.
There is salvation in knowing you can excel in speed and quality. That made us the creme d' la creme in our field.
I miss that adrenaline rush. Nothing else can compare.
What happens if the deck width is too short and you’re forced to rip a deck board lengthwise,in half in order to fit?
I'm telling..lol
Noooooooooooo! My secret is out.
When you charge all the $$$ that you want, it is because your work will stand up to scrutiny. Clients in that market appreciate you to be pickier than they are.
That's how you came recommended in the first place.
I would have started from the outside, in , just to make sure. No more difficult an install.
You know the customer's friend is going to point it out. ??
High end Wood floor installs were no different.
We had to get a pass or else there was no final check. Doctor, Engineer types, will hold you to strict scrutiny. $$$ profit$ is your reward. Your "passion" is earned, season by season and years of exceeding your own need to excel the highest demands of the decorator types. Estate homes over $30,000,000
were our playground. l thank all the picky people who taught me "why it matter$"
All true.
ComPOSite
Canadian, eh.
And start with pictur Frame. Hide the little gap under the siding
It was intentional or you messed it up
Trex sux
Not for everyone.
Looks good until winter when all the gaps open up. I've glued and screwed and still opens up. Summer time everything tight again
You can't stop the movement you can only design for it. Dr.Deck has some good tips on ways to hide gaps.
How can anything be perfect when dimensional lumber is far from perfect.
Agreed.
And you should miter that vertical trim edge
Thanks.
But this carpenter 101.
I’ve thought this to ever one of my apprentice’s
You also missed to point out to split up the margins and make the best long lines at the door / pathway
Your training well.
Then you’ve never met me!! I’ve been a carpenter’s wife for 41 years and I can guarantee you I will spot the flaws and mistakes at a glance in flooring, decking, drywall, paint, tiling, carpeting, trim work, masonry, concrete, roofing, etc. My husband constantly calls me “a contractors worst nightmare” because I take no prisoners and I WILL make you do it RIGHT or you’re not done until it is!!
I know every isle at Home Depot and Lowe’s and I know terminology & tools better than most apprentices. I can tell you how to do something to code and I expect you to go beyond if I hire you to do a job. AND, I will go behind you (in front of your face) and triple check your work….with a tape measure (that I carry 24/7), if needed. Further, even though it doesn’t look like it, I also speak Spanish, which I will not tell you about, so when the crew starts talking, I usually get all the ammo I need.
Be Careful Out There My Man!!
Love,
Karen 2.0
You forgot to mention that you're the HOA president as well.
Your kinda power hungry, anyone that works for you will suffer your from your overbearing self consumed obsessed attitude, your husband is truly a lucky man... why not just have surgery and become a man
Did you use the same boards for fascia?
Your overhang isn’t acceptable in my books. An unequal overhang will always be very noticeable. Due to the shadow line the overhang creates. A good carpenter works out his deck layout. So the overhang is the same end to end.
Possible, glad you build to a higher standard.
You say that but wood warps and moves. Your frame could be square one day and you come the next and theres discrepancies along it where the joists and dwangs (scottish for noggins - not sure what u guys call em). Also composite decking can bow ever so slightly. You wouldnt notice the shadow line outside either dont be silly
Joist and dwangs shrink or expand*
you will end up with a bias rip up against the siding of the house if its a existing out of square deck lol. What would you as the builder and homwowner rather do? Move sonotubes and re-frame or have a 3/8 discrepancy in a overhang. He did it the best way possible given the situation
Which composite do you feel is best?
Just build square. 6,8,10 broski
Sounds easy enough.
They will know because ring camera is behind you 😅
LOL, oh this is public?
Your overhang is off because basically your not square 🤔
LOL, focus on the deck not the goof holding it.
I would know
I already told the homeowner about the overhang, you got too cocky on that one
Ops should have kept it on the low down.
Lee Mack?
Now if I could just pronounce composite right!
Canadian, eh.
I just got a new deck, are the spindles supposed to move around
If vinyla railing possilby some movement to allow for expansion and contraction. Otherwise I think there is a problem.
That along with t h azek tr and cortex ! With the Grey composite it just pops!
Contrast is great.
You know what else looks better, Long pants and a hard hat,
LOL Dressing for success.
How do you hide the edges on stairs using composite?
You can return the treads it just adds alot of work.
You must of been top of your class
You must "have" been bottom.
Could also hide it with a rim board. You plug all those holes?
Thats a good idea. The line of decking doesn't allow plugs. Trex's Enhance, scalloped without enough material for plugs.
Why not make the overhang the same depth end to end?
That would be better and is always the goal but life happens. Desings that account for that allow you to have a good lookng deck even when perfection is not achieved.
Comp-a-zit hu? ... com-pause-it where I come from.
Canadian, eh.
@@decksbye3269 wis.
"We take pride in what we Hide"
I did Constructions, We would never let the homeowner or do it while they were there. They will aggravate you to death saying they paid for it to be perfect. Wee; Good Damn Luck.
How many asked?
None yet.
Hack
7 out of 10.
Look, I got the overhang wrong. 👍
Not perfect but trying to make things look good.
@@decksbye3269 my goodness, you're reasonable. You're polite, no matter what people's comments are. 👍 Sorry if I sounded like a dick. I'm a carpenter myself and, for the record, the overhang might not be noticeable. Within tolerance, as they say. I can't claim to be mm perfect all the time. I wondered why you wouldn't start with the overhang and work away from it, considering it'll be the scrutinized bit, and the most visible. Just thinking out loud. It looks good, btw, to be fair. You're braver than I, putting work out there for people to criticize! Most comments are positive though.
@@teanreece Thanks for your comment. Yes, starting with the first board will improve your chances of having a consistent overhang. Still having the decking straight on the deck is more important than following the little changes of material depth, tightness of the fascia board screwed on the rim, etc. but I am confident you know this.
My main point which I think you understand is there are little tricks and best practices to help make where you fall short still look good.
@@decksbye3269 hehe agreed. Ignore dicks like me. Keep putting out the content. I'm stuck at home with nerve damage. I just wanted to be involved again 🤣
Picture framing is pretty, more work though. We just bring the facia up to the top of the deck.
I have doen both but yes I lke the look of picture framing more. And it minimizes water being traped beind the fascia board.
What about the l-angle trim home depot stocks from newtechwood?
@@tribalwind I haven't used it to comment.
@@tribalwind don’t do it, I want to cry every time I look at it, I’m trying to come up with a way to fix it.
It's almost impossible to achieve perfection with the way joists warp.
What else can you do to cover up ends of composite decking if you didn’t frame it???
Glad you asked I have an article where I talk about 8 ways to finish the ends of composite decking.
decksbye3.com/8-ways-to-finish-the-composite-decking-ends/
Next to picture framing is raising the composite fascia flush to the top of the decking to cover the ends. Covers the ends well but is not good for stairs with people stepping on the edge of the fascia plus water getting trapped behind the fascia and the rim joist.
Good luck with your deck.
😳
So much better
So you're proud that your work isnt square? What the fudge is wrong with these people?
Not my point but there are techniques to make the deck look good even when it's not perfect.
There's no such thing as perfection in remodeling. Only things that appear to be perfect. Also guys who rock those leather knee pads don't mess around.
@@jameskerns3297 Well put. I really should replace those knee pads but they are so much more comfortable than the new fancy ones.