How are Indian and Western Music Different?

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  • @hilanoga1486
    @hilanoga1486 2 роки тому +5

    Thanks!

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Hila, that is very kind of you, thank you! I appreciate it a lot.

  • @JasonWild-kk3lm
    @JasonWild-kk3lm 11 місяців тому +5

    You have the most wonderful music learning channel on youtube! I'm so glad to have found you!

  • @ShashankModiMusic
    @ShashankModiMusic 2 роки тому +37

    Great explanation. Also, the Indian Classical Music is micro-tonal and uses natural temperaments.

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому +2

      Yup, that's right! Happy to help.

    • @KaathaAngrez
      @KaathaAngrez Рік тому +1

      Yeah man. It's hilarious how he sang the Indian classical part,

  • @hariramaiah5152
    @hariramaiah5152 Рік тому +3

    Lets take Todi for gamaka explanation
    And with veena instrument reference. Veena can visualise gamakas.
    Sa is flat
    Ri has 3 shades ri flat, rsrs or srsr
    Ga is beautiful, rarely flat, oscillatea in chatushruti ri till sadarana gandara in
    Ma has 2 shades flat ma and rarely ga pa pull in antara gandara in some alapanas
    Pa flat as always
    Da is same as ri flat pdpd or dpdp
    Ni resembles ga pulled in chatushrithi dhaivata upto kaishiki nishada.
    Your understanding is amazing.❤ Thank you the informative video❤

  • @vbudyak
    @vbudyak 2 роки тому +1

    शुक्रिया!) उन्होंने इसे बहुत स्पष्ट रूप से समझाया और मुझे आवाज के साथ उदाहरण पसंद आया सवाल यह है: क्या पश्चिमी संगीत की समान रूप से टेम्पर्ड संरचना, और विशेष रूप से गिटार, आपके कान को काटता है?
    धन्यवाद ?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому +1

      You're welcome! I'm quite used to the even-tempered tuning of western music, since I grew up with it. It doesn't bother me much, but it doesn't have the same impact as melodies outside of the even-tempered restrictions.

  • @iamtherealbatmaniswear
    @iamtherealbatmaniswear Рік тому +3

    For all those interested, check out the book "Oriental Jazz Improvisation - Microtonality and Harmony." It explains not only the differences between Indian and Western music (microtonality in cent values and so on) but also between these two as well as Turkish and Arabic music.

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  Рік тому

      Thank you so much for sharing! It sounds like an excellent book to delve deeper into the subject.

    • @iamtherealbatmaniswear
      @iamtherealbatmaniswear Рік тому

      ​@@neilchanmusic It definitely is. But people like you share great content, too. There is so much great music on this planet. Peace!

  • @finofrancis4093
    @finofrancis4093 4 місяці тому +2

    appreciate your effort to sing mayamalavagowla ragam

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 місяці тому

      Thank you for your kind words. I'm don't claim to be an expert, but I love carnatic music.

  • @Yesbutactuallyno788
    @Yesbutactuallyno788 24 дні тому

    But I think most of Classical music especially around the Renaissance and Baroque period not only did they have complex chord progessions but also a lot of freedom in complex melody as well. It is just modern music that the musicians use the simplicity in melody and repetative chord progression and thus restricted the the freedom.

  • @youzerr5041
    @youzerr5041 2 роки тому +12

    Hi! Amazing video. Would you consider making a video discussing the relationship between Flamenco and Indian classical music? I am familiar with the history of the Romani people. I would love to hear a musician analyze and describe their similarities and differences. Thank you for your consideration! :) !

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому +4

      I would love to make a video on that! I would have to do more research to make a good one first though. Maybe I'll do some short videos on the topic before I tackle the long one. You can keep find my short videos on instagram, tiktok, and of course youtube shorts :)

  • @samaysharma6193
    @samaysharma6193 3 роки тому +4

    Brooo u r srsly srsly underrated....loved it ❤️❤️❤️

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 роки тому +2

      haha, thank you for your support. I hope to grow my audience lots more!

    • @samaysharma6193
      @samaysharma6193 3 роки тому +2

      @@neilchanmusic shared ur vid on all social medias I am on 😁👍

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you very much, I really appreciate that!

  • @shankhadipmondal7965
    @shankhadipmondal7965 3 роки тому +5

    🔥🔥🔥🔥 love your lessons from India ❤️❤️❤️❤️..

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 роки тому +3

      Thanks for listening, sending love from Singapore to India!

  • @DevenBhatt-i9m
    @DevenBhatt-i9m 8 місяців тому +1

    The concept of Harmony is also hidden in Indian classical melodic modes as it shows 1st(dominant)3rd(mediant)and 5th(sub-dominent)These notes shows chord harmony but their progression is different in east & western music.

  • @ASMRyouVEGANyet
    @ASMRyouVEGANyet Рік тому +1

    Beautiful singing voice and speaking voice

  • @MuseLeathercraft
    @MuseLeathercraft 3 місяці тому

    Thank you so much! Truly an excellent tutorial! 😊 G

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 місяці тому

      You are so welcome! Glad it was helpful

  • @carbonc6065
    @carbonc6065 11 місяців тому

    This is great ... Thanks!

  • @dhritikonwar6668
    @dhritikonwar6668 2 роки тому +2

    Wonderfully explained 😊

  • @CatFish107
    @CatFish107 9 місяців тому

    I tell yah what, I am curious about music theory from places other than Europe, as I begin to learn music. I have the goal of making my own, without it slotting into popular genres. I would like a broad specteum of knowledge, and as an Anglo Canadian, my upbringing and exposure to music has been very narrow.
    The adi tala you sang felt more natural to me, like I almost could remember the words, despite having never heard the rhythm before. Thank you for the insights!

  • @manikandan_369
    @manikandan_369 10 місяців тому +1

    This is the first video I've watched in your channel and i subscribed as well, great job ❤ what is the best way to learn carnatic music along with acoustic guitar please guide me

  • @vasanthaiyengar273
    @vasanthaiyengar273 6 місяців тому

    A recently released book discusses this topic.
    It is "Carnatic and Western music- blending the two systems" by
    V.S. Narasimhan.
    Check youtube with the above name for contents and availability.

  • @fightback7623
    @fightback7623 2 роки тому +15

    In these capitalist and imperialist times, it's heartwarming to find people like you, who educate themselves of the intricacies in foreign culture.
    Love from India!!!

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому +4

      Love from Singapore! The world's cultures are so wonderfully diverse, it'd be a shame to limit yourself to just what you're comfortable with :)

    • @gordianknot6867
      @gordianknot6867 2 роки тому +2

      Lmao the technology you’re using is a result of not just capitalism but hyper-capitalism. Capitalism and imperialism is what led to the mixing of cultures. Also music is a capitalist profession. Do you think musicians should just give away their music? How will you hear about musicians if you can’t buy their records? How will they pay to make those records?

    • @fightback7623
      @fightback7623 2 роки тому +1

      @@gordianknot6867 Music is a capitalist profession.Yes. But why? Musicians and non-musicians underwent a whole goddam change, under the industrial era, and majorly every profession lived at the mercy of these industrialists and imperialist vampires, in one way or the other. We are living in capitalist dwelling, now ofcourse. Talk about Indian music, it was culturally butchered, in the likes of these capitalists and its core essence was lost by late 19th century.
      I vehemently agree to what u refer as technology, the affer-effect of hyper-capitalism. That is a paradox, indeed to speak against capitalism on a capitalist outgrowth. But if what u talk about is monetary sustainance of musicians , hear you:
      Indian music dates long back to, 3500 BCE, the Dravidian Era, and not only musicians but life in general was but elixir.
      Music is for the people and by the people, and that it what gives it the confidence to sustain all odds. In a capitalist dwelling, it's obvious to overlook or be ignorant, to the systems, non-identical.
      All forms of art, Gandharva and Sangita, flourished in all its glory, as mentioned by Vyasa in our epic , Mahabharata. Music in India, was a godly passion, and unlike western culture, it was devoured in, with utmost discipline.
      Musicians were never at the mercy of labels and producers, as of now, and talent was what seperated men from lads.

    • @gordianknot6867
      @gordianknot6867 2 роки тому

      @@fightback7623 I think the change you are referring to is the ability to record music and and sell it as produce. Tell all this stuff to jay Z, Beyoncé, mick jagger and see how they feel about giving up their wealth. Music gave the common man and woman a social ladder to climb, dirt poor people became rich artists and it bettered their lives, communism cripples culture the same way hyper greedy capitalists do too. Musicians aren’t at the mercy of labels, they can choose a label or start their own. That’s what’s happening now, indie artists are putting their music out on the internet instead. Being a musician is a self employed job, how you gonna advertise your music if you’re on the same amount as everyone else and cannot afford to? how are you gonna record the music, If you cannot afford to? How are people going to buy the music if they cannot afford to? how are they gonna attend a concert if they cannot afford to? And if they don’t have to pay for any of this stuff how does the artist make a living? They have to tour for free? The record producers have to record for free? The promoters have to promote for free? Well what if the amount the state pays doesn’t match the demand? Under communism everyone is equally oppressed.

    • @ASMRyouVEGANyet
      @ASMRyouVEGANyet Рік тому

      ​@@fightback7623 you look at the past with rose colored lenses.

  • @maayaalokamaayaaloka
    @maayaalokamaayaaloka 6 місяців тому

    You are really good😊 Thank you🌸 and good luck🪔

  • @MOON-gf4tl
    @MOON-gf4tl 3 роки тому +5

    Can u react and give analysis of different finger style guitarist around the world like marcin , ben woods etc ,
    U r doing great job sir

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 роки тому +1

      That's a great idea, I'll try to do it sometime soon. Thank you Moon!

  • @pinklemon-m5v
    @pinklemon-m5v 2 роки тому +3

    Great video thanks for making it! I ended up here randomly, now im off to find classical Indian music so i can hear what it sounds like, sounds intriguing.

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому

      Glad you liked it! Enjoy listen to Classical Indian music!

  • @lumashsingh6629
    @lumashsingh6629 2 роки тому

    Very wonderful, thank you

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you too! It's a pleasure to share my knowledge with you.

  • @priyangshupaul9679
    @priyangshupaul9679 25 днів тому

    Can you plzz help me with how to do Western harkat on Hindi songs bcoz I know the classical harkat what is Western harkat can you plzz explain

  • @shailendramassey1386
    @shailendramassey1386 2 роки тому +1

    Would you throw some light in a simplified manner as to what's singing in different parts like suprano,tenor,Alto? Will appreciate your help on this.

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому

      Essentially its having separate melodic lines singing in different registers. The soprano is the highest, followed by alto, then tenor, and bass is the lowest. Each line harmonises well with the others to produce an aesthetically pleasing effect.

    • @shailendramassey1386
      @shailendramassey1386 2 роки тому +1

      @@neilchanmusic what is it called if one has to search for it on internet?.is it harmony or choir or mixed vocals..or what tutorials? Hope I have made myself clear 😊

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому +1

      @@shailendramassey1386 If you're looking for classical choir styles, you could search 'SATB choir', but if you're aiming for more pop style harmonies, you could search 'tight harmonies'. Hope this helps!

  • @Mherkava
    @Mherkava 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for being so clear .
    Great video!
    One question please. Does Indian classical music change 'scales' or Ragas in one song or does it stay constant.
    Secondly, can you make a video on the Hindu/Indian scale covering the distinctive features of the scale.
    Thanks!

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому +1

      Hey Shmuel, for the vast majority of the time, pieces will stay in one raga throughout. There is a specific type of composition called a ragamalika where multiple ragas are performed in one piece, but these compositions are uncommon.
      Hmm, I'd love to touch on ragas but my training is in carnatic rhythm. It'd take another lifetime for me to study ragas to a level that I feel confident and justified to teach them to you. Then again, I could do an overview video that'll give you a taste of the characteristics of ragas without going in-depth. Perhaps I'll work on that!

    • @Mherkava
      @Mherkava 2 роки тому +1

      @@neilchanmusic
      Great idea.
      Thanks

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому

      @@Mherkava Welcome!

    • @jaydoraiswami4762
      @jaydoraiswami4762 2 роки тому

      👍 explanation!
      I’m only a novice, but someone talked about this on a UA-cam video, so sharing:
      Even Tamil movie songs employ these changes. For example, songs from an old classic “Apoorva Ragangal”(from Wikipedia):
      Two songs are ragamalikas, i.e. compositions having different verses set to different ragas.[3][43] "Yezhu Swarangalukkul" is set in Panthuvarali,[44][45] Kambhoji,[46] Sindhu Bhairavi and Ranjani.[47][48] "Athisaya Raagam" begins in Mahati,[49][50] and shifts to Bhairavi with the line "Oru Puram Paarthaal".[51]

  • @manavagrawal720
    @manavagrawal720 2 роки тому +2

    It's crazy to learn about the difference. Quick questions, how about using counterpoint will that give western music somewhat freedom as demonstrated in Indian classical?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому

      Great to hear that Manav! Hm counterpoint is still very much bound by the rules of harmony in Western music! There are underlying harmonies at any point of the counterpoint melodies, so you are still restricted in that way both melodically and rhythmically.
      It's not necessarily a bad thing though, because harmonies are gorgeous!

    • @procash1968
      @procash1968 10 місяців тому

      If I am not wrong, I think it is already being done in Indian cinema music & western + Indian fusion music

  • @iagreewithyou4328
    @iagreewithyou4328 2 роки тому +4

    Good explanation. Much appreciated!! 👍🏽👍🏽

  • @poetry_pulse2705
    @poetry_pulse2705 Рік тому +1

    There are three musical traditions in India-
    1. Kamroopi
    2. North Indian
    3. South India

  • @adithyankp7761
    @adithyankp7761 2 роки тому +1

    Superb

  • @jaydoraiswami4762
    @jaydoraiswami4762 2 роки тому +4

    👏 for cutting through the normal BS.
    Brilliant.

  • @Humans_as_ornaments
    @Humans_as_ornaments 7 місяців тому

    What guitar is that?

  • @kartikeypratapchauhan7123
    @kartikeypratapchauhan7123 5 місяців тому

    Video 🗿
    Singing 🤡
    Just jokes.... Keep posting these amazing videos

  • @Politickticktickin
    @Politickticktickin 2 роки тому +1

    Hey bro. So ragams are basically scales right? So is it possible to use carnatic ragams to make western music? For example, western music has minor, melodic minor, harmonic minor etc. Would it be possible to have a carnatic ragam crossover into a scale in western music? Would it lead to new sounds and unexplored territory?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 роки тому

      Definitely you can! But you need to understand both the raga and western harmony. Not all ragas sound good over certain chords. It’s been done before but not a lot. You should check out John McLaughlin’s work.

    • @aakashgupta4296
      @aakashgupta4296 Рік тому

      There are 10 thaats (parent raag), from these thaat raag references various different raags were developed.

  • @predatorgaming2725
    @predatorgaming2725 3 роки тому +1

    I am indian and nice video🙂

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 роки тому +1

      Glad to connect with you here, sending love from Singapore to India :)

  • @pk-le4er
    @pk-le4er Рік тому +3

    Your singing is hypnotic

  • @lkzt5543
    @lkzt5543 Рік тому

    it must have been difficult for u to learn carnatic becoz of pronunciation and stuff but u have done well😄😄

  • @domenicosorrentino1972
    @domenicosorrentino1972 Рік тому +3

    it would be interesting some videos on indian music played on classical guitar

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  Рік тому

      Hey Domenico, I seldom play nylon strong classical guitars, but that'd be interesting to listen to. Unfortunately I don't think I'm the right person to attempt it!

  • @manojkrishna8839
    @manojkrishna8839 9 місяців тому

    I have learned both Indian and Western music. If you are an aspiring musician or composer, you should first learn Western music. 🙂 If you don't know harmony and counterpoint, you can never compose good music. After learning harmony and counterpoint, you can try to learn Indian or Arabian music. Indian popular music is composed by mixing occidental harmony with oriental melodies. 🙂 You cannot compose Indian songs if you don't know Western harmony and counterpoint. 🙂 You should first learn to read and write music written on the grand staff.

    • @ronrobbins2737
      @ronrobbins2737 5 місяців тому

      And to prove your point, check out some youtube channels where Indian "teachers" attempt to show befuddled fellow Indians how to play songs like "happy birthday" on their sad little keyboards. No mention of grand-staff, reading music, rhythm notation, or even correct fingering. It's like a walk back into the Dark Ages! You are a rare breath of fresh air.

  • @srajan5286
    @srajan5286 8 місяців тому

    Please correct it fusion music not only in Hindi industry but Tamil industry as well,, perhaps greater in composition, composers like ilayaraja are Rahman(do explore) ...tq

  • @shivathealmighty
    @shivathealmighty Рік тому +6

    Indian classical music are way more rich in variety and depth... Just no comparison...

    • @alexdrudigmail
      @alexdrudigmail 4 місяці тому

      Sure, and that's why European classical music is played all over the world (Asia included) while Indian classical music is practically unknown outside of India 🤦

    • @ceeyes
      @ceeyes 2 місяці тому

      Western classical has 10 X ragas than Indian classical.

    • @shivathealmighty
      @shivathealmighty 2 місяці тому

      @@ceeyes There is no concept of ragas in Western classical..

    • @ceeyes
      @ceeyes 2 місяці тому +1

      @@shivathealmighty there's a much bigger variety of scales in Indian (and middle eastern) music than in western music, probably because the lack of harmony enables more melodic freedom. Lack of harmony leads to loss of musical knowledge and the upcoming generation will not be able to get most of it.
      Raaga - melody
      Taala - rhythm
      Both you can give in western music also. Musical notes are introduced by western classical music so if you find a variation in raaga, you can write that down. But in Indian music, it is not allowed. It's the discretion of singers to make variations.

    • @KumarK-cn1sj
      @KumarK-cn1sj Місяць тому

      @@ceeyes You can’t write down the variations in Raaga. It’s simply not possible .

  • @tattvamashi
    @tattvamashi Рік тому +5

    Indian Music Culture is way more older and way more detailed than western Music. It dated back to Vedic time. It is mentioned in Sam-Veda. Which is composed around 3000+ year ago. When River Sarswati was drying.

    • @supratikdas3734
      @supratikdas3734 Рік тому

      Music Culture could be there but music principles were not established first in Shastriya Sangeet... And our Music is not as detailed because it is an Oral pauranik Guru Shishya parampara... And not generalised... The only book where it's generalised is Sagiruddin Khan's book after he published and pass the knowledge that are intricate for upcoming generation which is not that ancient... I would say Churches played an important role of constant contribution in developing and funding of Western Classical Music and generalised the theories but here we can learn through only Gurus who are known as Legacies of the Pundits and Ustads... Basically it's like a PhD but nothing is noted and these valuable information are hidden or lost

    • @tattvamashi
      @tattvamashi Рік тому

      @@supratikdas3734 there is difference between carnatic and hindustani music. You are talking about Hindustani music.

    • @tattvamashi
      @tattvamashi Рік тому

      @@lindnerxyz haha, I think you don't know anything about Music. Ignorance is harmful.😑

    • @tattvamashi
      @tattvamashi Рік тому

      @@supratikdas3734 you should listen, Chandrashekhar Astakam by Sound of Isha. The best example of Ancient Carnatic Music.

    • @tattvamashi
      @tattvamashi Рік тому

      @@lindnerxyz i Think you are talking about Hindustani Islamic version of Indian Music. Ancient Indian music system is Carnatic Music. Which is very complex and deep. I think,you haven't heard any Carnatic Music.

  • @prathambansal8323
    @prathambansal8323 Рік тому +1

    that message on the bottom right corner does not make sense. it does look like you are trained in Carnatic melody bcuz u sound so good?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  Рік тому +1

      Haha, thank you for your kind words. Well, sounding good doesn't necessarily mean 'correct' as far as the precise pitch and articulations in carnatic raga go. I studied carnatic vocal for a while, but not nearly long enough to claim that I can sing a raga accurately.

  • @edmundleung2098
    @edmundleung2098 7 місяців тому

    I think it is a mistake to look at Western 'classical' Music as a cultural product. It is more a technical achievement break through with equal temperament tuning. Equal temperament made complex harmonies possible and key changes within a single work possible.
    With this system, European classical could borrow ideas from India, Middle East and wherever Europeans go making this system an absorbing platform instead of a cultural product.

  • @melophile7343
    @melophile7343 Рік тому

    It takes lots of time and effort to learn indian classical music
    Its an art of creativity and imagination 💫

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  Рік тому

      It is a beautiful art form, it's been a pleasure studying and sharing it!

  • @chan_for
    @chan_for 11 місяців тому

    I will suggest you to give a glance on the science of Sanskrit Alphabets

  • @DevenBhatt-i9m
    @DevenBhatt-i9m 8 місяців тому

    How can u say less developed?Indian classical.

  • @SubhajitTa
    @SubhajitTa 3 місяці тому

    Explain the raag and taal in detail, otherwise nonmusicians can't understand this video

  • @praveenb9048
    @praveenb9048 Місяць тому

    I have heard Western UA-camrs describing Indian music as "microtonal". What does this mean, and is it even true?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  Місяць тому

      The term microtonal itself comes from a western music perspective, which today uses an equal temperament system ie 12 chromatic notes. Microtonal suggests that notes outside/in-between those 12 notes are used. But if you don't use equal temperament as your baseline reference, then you wouldn't really think of Indian music as microtonal, but just having it's own musical pitch system.
      And yes, Indian classical music doesn't use the equal temperament system. However much western music has influenced Indian music today and many concepts are borrowed, such as the note naming system.

  • @AmolGaikwad-v3g
    @AmolGaikwad-v3g 4 місяці тому

    Sabse pehale mai to isko ladki samaj Raha tha yaar😂

  • @moumitaadhikary8847
    @moumitaadhikary8847 3 місяці тому

    MUI

  • @baroque-rg1eq
    @baroque-rg1eq 3 місяці тому

    I am Indian. From which graveyard have you taken out the Indian music ?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 місяці тому

      Hello, I don't understand your comment. Is it intended as an insult?

  • @walnutcape2622
    @walnutcape2622 11 місяців тому +1

    Sa re ga ma pa > whole western

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  11 місяців тому +1

      I don't think one system is better than the other. Rather, they are quite different and each has it's strengths and weaknesses.

  • @CrakShak
    @CrakShak 10 місяців тому

    European music is for listening to, while Indo-Aryan music is for ambience

    • @praveenb9048
      @praveenb9048 Місяць тому

      It depends what you grew up with or what you learned formally. I play Western classical, jazz etc for ambience, but listen to ICM. But it's not always so -- I do sometimes "listen" attentively to Western genres as well.