Nurburgring UNDER 9' in a stock MR2??? Nordschleife BTG TIME ATTACK
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2024
- (9th fastest lap 20190817)
This is it. The track finally cleared, and traffic wasn't too bad. But did we make it #Under9?
Let me know what you think in the comments!
Car specs:
Drivetrain:
Bone stock engine.
ZW30 gearbox and Torsen LSD. It has different ratios: taller final, hence why I don't need to shift into 5th, and a closer 1st and 2nd in comparison with the original gearbox.
Suspension:
RS*R Ti2000 springs
KYB Excel-g dampers
Whiteline rear sway bar
Poliurethane bushings
Tires:
F:195/50R15 Advan AD08RS (new compound to comply with the new EU efficiency ruling). 1.8bar
R:205/50R15 Advan AD08R. 2.3bar (raised the pressure on the rear slightly 0,2bar compared to the first day, to get a bit of rotation in some areas and worked very nicely)
Brakes:
Bone stock replacement parts (rotors, pads and DOT4 fluid). Not even braided brake lines. This setup had been ok at the track until arriving at the Nurburgring. In the previous tracks I've driven the car the speed was never this high, but here this cheap setup was really struggling and had to manage them every lap at the harder braking areas. I wish I had my Winmax pads, as I did on my 86.
Alignment:
F: 6deg caster, -1,6ish deg camber, 0.05ish toe in.
R: - 1,2ish deg camber, 0.15ish toe in.
Weight:
Measured 2500lbs/1100kg with me in it and a full tank. Subtract the weight of the spare wheel, jack and toolset which I've removed for the track. - Авто та транспорт
The proper way to drive a MR2.
This is a perfect example of how to drive a mid-engine car. Very smooth, precise steering inputs and using the throttle to keep the car planted and stable in corners. My goal is to have car control as good as this one day
This is one of the most amazing Nürburg run I’ve ever seen, such an amazing view,
Great driving! Over 30 years ago, I was driving the AW11 every night in Hakone. I really miss the sound of 4A-G. Thank you for sharing the video.
Absolutely. Thanks for sharing your memory too. That must've been quite an experience too!
Everyone already said it, but I have to say it too. Beautiful, so smooth. A joy to watch. What camera did you use? It's really impressive how the outside isn't overexposed....cloudy day maybe? I have a stockish AW11 with Koni Yellows and Eibach pro kit, I would love to try this one day, but I have 0 track experience, I would be happy with under 10 :) Good tip on the winmax pads too!
Thanks a bunch! I used to have Konis and didn't like them at all. I went for KYB and much hapier. I cant comment on Eibachs, but their pro kit usually tend to be somehow softer than stock. Not sure how well they perform at the Ring but for an under 10 you have it quite easy, for sure. Just a brisk drive following the line and you should be easily under that mark 🙂👌🏻
Also, I forgot to mention I use a Sony FDR-X3000, which is great in general, but the lighting is greatly helped with the glass roof, for sure. 😊👍🏻
Eyyy it's D4A!
Fancy meeting you down here!
New Balance like takumi...
The car is so planted! Great lines too! Under 9min is impressive for what this car is and the mods on it. You drove so smooth which is key to a fast lap!
Phenomenal lap, I can’t even do that shit in Forza. This is how an AW11 is driven.
I’m surprised, with these skills you make hyper cars look slow compared to the mr2, you really are an underrated driver, you deserve millions of subscribers.
Slight changes to video titles and thumbnails and views will improve. The driving... already legendary! I agree with your sentiment. Amazing videos!
Incredible skills... congratulations. That music at the end, spot on
Honestly didn’t know the car was even capable of this. Well done
those feelings after seeing the time... lol, well done mate, ringmaster (Y)
Ahora nos falta probarlo sobre dos ruedas
Tried looking it up, can't find anyone driving an aw11 faster than that around the ring. congrats man
Haha, nobody tried to die in a slower car, eh?? 🤔🤓 Thanks dude.
I thought I was only the faster AE86. But now thanks to you I am the shitbox king at Nurby! 🥇😎✌🏻
@@YoShImUrA53 Long may you reign!
Great drive. The best part is when he blew past some Miyatas. :)
Perfect slip angle.. 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Smashed it! Well done mate! Now I have a benchmark to tune the rFactor 2 car with :)
I'd say there's a few seconds to be shaved off from traffic and my still far from perfect driving, but for not having driven there in three years and just nine laps of practice, it ain't too shabby 😬
Amazing. Extremely smooth, love the lines you follow through the corners. Buen trabajo!
I grew up on the AW11... And this guy is right, when she gets sideways, You steer with the throttle pedal.... Also great to heat that 4AGE doing what it was designed to do, REV and deliver happy feelings to your brain.
HAAAAA NEW IT WAS UNDER 9!!! Man amazing driving!!!
You're a legend my man. Keep working on this car, it's SO sick!
Menudo vuelton y wipeman a muerte, gasssssssssss
You have excellent control--MR2's are tricky and you mastered it. You have balls larger than grapefruits. Mario Kart ending was perfect! Cheers!!!
Que pasada de vuelta!!!!. A ver cuando hay suerte y hay +++🐎🐎🐎
Enhorabuena! Buenísima vuelta, da gusto verte conducir, joer. Me alegro de que consiguieras bajar de los 9 minutos, que estaba claro que lo estabas buscando jajaja.
wow incredible driving!
Wow! Your footwork is impressive. It’s crazy you are at full chat and a 911 passes you like your sitting still. I would love to lap the Ring with my AW11 SC. Someday 🤞 Congrats on the run!
Thanks!! You can't beat having near 4x the power, I'm afraid. But I doubt he was having as much fun as I was. And that's ok by me😊👌🏻
Wonderful lap!!! Congrats!!!
I have a AW11 with a rebuilt 4AGELC. Nice run. Awesome driving.
no lie a serious pleasure to watch
Giggled my way through this. Epic. Epic!
Buena vuelta! Y que buen combo de coche y manos!
This is how to drive an AW11 - Balls of Steel.
great run ! and nice sound at the end haha
That was amazing
that was CLEAN!! 😮😮
absolutely sick mate! epic driving.
Cheers! Appreciate it! Be sure to check out other vids in the channel if you fancied this. Thanks for watching!!
Incredible!
Bravo. Me esperaba una diferencia notable en la subida al Karussell, pero en cuanto pasas Klostertal y marca EXACTAMENTE -27s me ha dado la risilla.
Nice run!
Excellent driving . Loved the way the car was sliding around corners but in a controlled way. Car really stuck to the road.
Thank you! That's the delicate balance of gripping and sliding, as needed. Really appreciate the comment! ☺️👌🏻
As an aw11 fanatic, you sir are a hero 🙏
Oh, wow. Thanks a bunch! Please, check out the other videos in which I run the car at the track in the rain. I think I enjoyed driving them almost as much, too. And thanks for watching!! 😊👍🏻
Well done 👍
excellent driving.
Wow that was impressive
Great lap! 8 seconds faster than me in E46 320d I used to have. I'd love an AW11
Brilliant Driving by the excellent driver and what you can achieve in an mr2 aw11.
Love the end tunes!
Dude that was amazing!!!
Much obliged, buddy!! =)
Well done, good driving.
Sup!
@@d4a hows it going man ! I wondered if you saw this too haha
That thing held it’s own out there 🙏🙏🔧 can’t wait to finish my build
Drove there from Barcelona and back through 2k km of mountain roads in the Alps, so definitely a tough one.
@@YoShImUrA53 definitely legendary reliability!
Well done man! I look on your fast lap and very
enjoy:) My AW11 need to update new springs. Please send part number your springs and dampers) Thanks!
Wow, there are pedals in the passenger footwell!! xD
I wish my Mk1 ran that well.... great stuff.
haha, driving school special! thanks for watching =)
I bought an 86' MR2 5 speed as my first car about 7 months ago (16y/o btw). I learned stick, and had sooo much fun with it. Currently restoring the paint, eventually servicing the entire suspension and cooling system. Watching you drive really makes me happy that I bought it, and I want to learn to drive with such godly skill. Love the vid!
Thanks a bunch!! Seat time, get instruction, seat time, get instruction and then tons of seat time! Keep driving and you'll be driving like that in no time.
Also, this is just as critical as seat time: invest in suspension maintenance (bushings and tie rods, especially), don't just jump on coil overs. I don't use them... do your proper research, take your time to test drive or ride along on tons of other cars, and make a decission based on your own needs and application. This is key for consistent reactions and predictability.
And happy driving! 🙂👌🏻
hey ethanol i’m also 16 and just started driving my 86 5 speed mr2 daily and i was wondering what’s everything you’ve noticed about driving the mr2 daily
@@coltonsaukkola6172 I don't daily it. Mainly because I'm still working on it (slowly but surely), and I've also bought another 87' MR2 for cheap that I also plan on fixing up to standard. However, I can tell you that you most likely won't have any issues daily driving it as long as you maintain it as any other car. Makes sure your suspension is in good condition as well as fluids and etc. Dont drive too crazy, get used to it first, then if you can safely fool around, then go for it to get a feel for the car. No cup holders, so think about that if you plan on having a drink in the car. Space inside the car is decent no matter your height, and luggage capacity is good for two people as long as you don't go crazy (front is smaller than rear trunk, but you could fit a bag or two). Noise could be a slight issue, but if you like music while driving, wear a headphone while driving. You must be in high school like myself (i'm a senior) so don't be afraid to show it off, you're probably the only kid with one in your school anyway. Enjoy your MR2, it'll be the car you'll never forget, drive safe!
@@ethanol6756 haha yeah i’m a junior my mr2 looks like a show car already so i show that shit off all the time
@@coltonsaukkola6172 awesome stuff my guy. Take good care of her, and she'll do much more for you, they're amazing machines
I love the waves to the Miatas :D
Haha, just thanking out for letting me by
What is your tires and suspension set up?! It sticks well on the track when you are pushing it hard! That was an awesome run, you've got a new subscriber!
Thanks! Please read the description for full details on the setup
What a drive! massive talent! Makes me want to take mine out to the local track.
Do it! Car is super rewarding to drive when properly set up. And thanks for the kind words! 😊👍🏻
@@YoShImUrA53 Will do! it may take a while. Mine is a work in progress and not ready for that kind of demand on it yet.
@@trevorgartner4194 well, get the basics right: Drivetrain, chassis, electrics, and you're all set!
@@YoShImUrA53 Working on it, rebuilding the brakes now. 👍
God do I miss mine. I really need to buy another.
上手すぎる、素晴らしい運転に魅入りました
コメントありがとうございます!!AE86を運転している私のチャンネルの他のビデオもお楽しみください。気に入っていただければ幸いです。
that was fucking badass
Now I can’t sleep
05:52 is the best part 🫶
Don't you mean the most boring?😂
No te ibas sin bajar de 9’ eh 👌
Ya me vas conociendo 😬😬😬
Instant favourite video. Amazing car with a lap to match. In fact i don't think i've seen anyone chuck an aw11 around with such finesse and speed.
Quick question, whats your camera and microphone set up?
Thanks a bunch!
Camera is a Sony FDR-X3000. The external mic, located on the left side of the engine bay is a Dagee DG-001.
Thanks for watching!!
@@YoShImUrA53 thanks man, that 4age sounds amazing, very healthy. You've got me looking at aw11s on eBay, maybe time to sell my mk2's 😬
@@snappedbydan people usually mistake me for a Toyota guy. I'm just a 4AGE guy. That throttle response is so key to driving fun. No disrespect to a blacktop 3SGE either!
@@YoShImUrA53 I get that completely - the 4age is a peach. I used to have an ae101 levin with blacktop, it absolutely screamed. Definitely one of the most fun cars i've had. I have a 3sgte and 1mz mk2, the throttle response on the 3sgte isn't too bad, but the 1mz is a very surprising engine, so revvy. Keep at it with the videos and enjoy the cars mate.
It might not have the highest top speed or fastest acceleration. But it sure as hell can take those corners
Amazing driving and amazing car! However Is it just me or were the front tyres starting to give a little since this was lap 9?
Hey, thanks! Well, I am not so sure. I've kept using them and they're still on the car today, almost 1.5 years later and a few thousand miles after. They still have good tread. =)
Totally awesome. Now is that time 8:50:73 your best track time ever in the Mister Two?
What’s the best track time ever recorded in any car and what car was it? and if you could, what’s a real respectable time? I realize the car, engine, mods make a huge difference but what’s a time that would make a driver respectable to the other drivers?
Thanks, dude. Well, in my opinion anything below 9 minutes is a respectable fast time. But it's a complete package kinda deal. Going under 9 min with less than a 100hp per tonne is quite tough, even with good tires, suspension and aero package, which all come into place as the complete package I mentioned.
I believe the lap record was recently chased down by a Le Mans car and is in the high 5min mark, but don't quote me on that. Up until very recently the record was set in the 80s by the late Stefan Bellof in a Porsche 956 or 962. 6:32 was the time iirc. There's some footage but not the full lap somewhere on UA-cam. The fastest I've ever been at this track was with my AE86 lapping under 9min to the full track, rather than just BTG as usual on Touristenfahrten days
There's a Wikipedia page about the List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times, which easily includes all the information you'd probably want :D
Wheres The Aw11 Vids? Miss Seeing this car!!
Using it for commuting and occasional drives and trips☺️👌🏻
But true, I should get back on the track next year again!💪🏻
Muy buena. Curioso ver que usamos trazadas bastante similares y el comportamiento del MR2 leyenda asesina traicionera no dista mucho de mi barca vikinga.
Bueno, eso de que se parezca a un FR de 1300 kg (en orden de marcha con piloto, a ojo de buen cubero) en cuanto a reacciones me cuesta creer que sea así.
No obstante, yo he tratado de suavizar las reacciones del MR2 para que sea lo más accesible y "" fácil"" al límite posible. No es tan cabrón como lo ponen en las redes si lo tienes en buen estado de rótulas, silentblocs y alineado.
Lo he puesto con un setup nada extremo, y es que de hecho es un coche de uso diario. He buscado que tuviera relativa comodidad y un buen compromiso para disfrutar conduciendo. Creo que aquí se ha demostrado que el resultado en el crono, para mí al menos, es bastante aceptable.
Aunque he de decir que el coche es fácilmente al menos un puñado de segundos más rápido de lo que se ve aquí. Achácaselo a mis manoplas, que no le sé sacar todo el partido en todas las curvas, y también a un par de puntos de tráfico que me han hecho perder algo de tiempo.
Yo creo que vas del 10. Ya se sabe que los tiempos en el TF dependen de muchas variables.
Me pasa en las onboard de Nür que noto, sobretodo en la parte después del Karussell, quién sabe fluir y jugar con el agarre y el peso (algo en lo que me ayudó mucho pasar de un delantera a un trasera, pero me considero manoplas también) y quien se limita a tirarlo y que "sea lo que Dios quiera".
Está claro que con tan diferentes planteamientos es imposible que reaccionen igual pero es gracioso como en ciertas zonas, viendo el vídeo, sí que lo parece. (Probablemente al volante se sientan cosas totalmente diferentes en uno y en otro).
Realmente era un comentario desde el punto de vista de un fan de los AW11 que ha oído y leído mil historias de terror sobre ellos pero que nunca ha tenido la ocasión de sentar su culo en uno (me ofrezco voluntario).
Wow, smooth driven. Liked ur cut of corners & how u manage the midengine.. a lot of people dont know how to drive a mid engine hard.. by the way.. nice tire choise.. have you tryed other tires for even faster time?? Maybe other sizes.. would love to hear other set up stats if you have.. great..
Hey Henning, thanks!😃
I used to run 195/50R15 on all four corners, with Michelin Pilot Sport 3 rubber. I was a fan of that square (not staggered) size for the road, as I never had understeer. I swapped for 205 in the rear to have more rear grip in high speed corners at the track. With 195 at the rear, at the track I had high speed oversteer, which was manageable as it was predictable, but slowed me down. Check my Castelloli MR2 onboards (turn 3, particularly) to see this.
As for the Michelin they are the best wet tire I've ever had. You can see how I overtake race cars and much more powerful and fast cars in my Calafat wet onboards as well.
As for semi slicks (AKA R compounds) or other more extreme performance tires, I'm not very keen, as this is my daily driver, and I want to have a relative degree of comfort and usability. Also, I don't think a Targa top is ideal to use with very high grip, as the chassis is a bit soft because of this, and already is having to work hard with the Neovas, which are more than enough grip for my needs and still being able to have fun with the car. ☺️✌🏻
@@YoShImUrA53 you are absolutly right about michelin tires.. there is no doubt that they are the best tires in high speed..
People might argue, yes on a track(more cornerings other tires might be slight better) but for high speed track as NurnB-ring I think michelin is supperior..
Thank you for sharing your experience..greatly valued :)
@@randomtoyotadude8952 Thanks again, but I'm not sure I'm 100% right, as tires are very personal! =D I'm only right because we probably have similar appreciations on tires. =) The best tire will always be the one that matches your own style of driving. And yes, of course there will be shades of grey and some will objectively perform better than others, but since feel is important (to me, at least), it's also a personal thing to have the best tires for you, which you can get the most from, than the fastest tires that you are not confident with and won't be able to push them as hard, consistently.
I was a great fan of the Michelin PS3s, but I've seen that many people hate on them. I will agree, they're not the best when the weather or asphalt is too warm, as they tend to overheat and lose grip suddenly when they overheat. But then again, since I drive a slow car, I don't get them that hot, or into too much trouble if they lose a bit of performance until I cool them a bit. I can live with that and still think they're a great all rounder, especially since they last a lot!
Since I don't do that many km these days, I went ahead and tried the Neovas, in order to maximize treadlife, before being forced to replace the Michelins out of (old) age. =)
@@YoShImUrA53
True, tires are personal preferance in general..that michelin gets overheated was news to me..
Been working with tires for 10yrs, so im kinda picky(choosy)
The thing i found bad is good tires is hard to find in the smaler sizes..
smaler than 195/50-15
I run 165/65-15front. And they only is to be found in H(210km/h)
175/60-15 u can find V(240)
Btw, your times is very good..
Seen some vids on supercars, not that much faster than u..even though im not a race driver, ur driving skills impressed me..
@@randomtoyotadude8952 I'm flattered! Yes, even the older 185/60 R14 size that used to be the standard sport-ish size for small cars (for this size there are a few semi-slicks, though), such as the stock size for the MR2, and many others, is just lacking in sport tires. I guess we don't add up the numbers for manufacturers to make them in our sizes. Oh well, making the most of a not so good tire can also be challenging and entertaining =)
Hola Jorge! Great driving! Why didn’t you go for the 6speed from the 2ZZ? With that change alone I’ve got 4 seconds faster at ascari! We share the love for both the AE86 and AW11 and I reckon the “señor dos” is a whole lot more of a car than the hachiroku!
Well, I never thought the stock 4AGE required any more gears. Maybe in a 2zz engine, which has a ridiculously small "on cam" power range, it could be useful. But if your torque is well spread as it's on a stock engine, and you hit the key points of the track between max torque and power, the less you shift gears, the less time you lose between changes,(not even contemplating miss-shift opportunities) so it usually compensates the small gains, depending on track and conditions.
I've done several tests in a sim I made with all kinds of gearings and being consistent enough (under 2sec differential lap after lap in the same car), and in the Nurburgring in particular, the closest ratios are never the best option.
It doesn't even bother me the fact that I don't require to shift into 5th the whole lap, because I reach redline from 2nd to 4th in most cases before braking. So that's really as ideal as it can be, IMO =)
About being much more car, I'm not sure what you mean, but being the same engine in different configurations, it just gives you very different [dynamic or, getting technical, kinematic] feelings with the same powerplant. I just love how each other complete my driving techniques in opposite ways.
@@YoShImUrA53 check out my latest video @portimao and see how closely gapped the gears are and how good they fit the stock engine.
Being more of a car I mean how faster it can be around the track. Of course they feel different at the wheel and the Corolla is more lively and fun. The MR2 is just more efficient around the bends and it’s crazy how soon you can step on the gas exiting every turn. Having the 86 since 2004 and building it for the track I started feeling it’s chassis is very limited. In 2017 I got the MR2 ready for 24h@Ascari and fell in love with it first time at the track.
@@sparrow1000 yeah, the MR2 is definitely a more modern chassis and it shows in its prowress and effectiveness, let alone lesser drivetrain losses. I'll check the vid tonight
Did you have any issues with oil (over)heating? The stock way the oil gets cooled seems kinda inadequate.
I don't have an oil temperature gauge to know. But the water gauge never moved a bit. Then again, with 13l, even if oil was at 400C, I doubt it would make "much" of a difference with the [small] surface of the water-oil heat exchanger.
I would really like to put a sensor before and after the oil-water heat exchanger system to see how effective it is, and make a graph at different temperatures to check its better range of efficiency.
I'm fully aware of the high oil temperature on all 4AGEs, but maybe not as evident on stock engines, as this one is.
I'm pretty sure I've ran the engine much hotter on a summer's day going up a mountain than driving at over 120kph as you do at the Ring nearly at every moment during a lap.
Incredible driving. How long have you been racing for?
Thanks! I learned to drive a full size car when I was able to reach the pedals, at nine years old.
I started rental go karting at 17, and never let go of a wheel since then.
Practice makes perfect 😊👌🏻
Damn, you should put more mods on this and do under 9 on the full circuit like you did with the ae86.
One can only have so many reiskuhs! ☝🏻👀
YoShImUrA53 the 86 is being worked on right? Thanks for the most thorough mod list yet- been thinking about an AW11 now more to have along side my AE86 since your first ‘ring vid with this aw11 inspired me :)
Jorge,
Have you ever driven an AW11 with a 3SGTE swap? If so, what do you think of it compared to the stock engine?
Hiya. I'll say first of all I haven't tested one. I've been a passenger on a highly modified SW20 with circa 400hp 3SGTE.
Against my own action of swapping the 16v to the 20v engine on my 86, I'm not a fan of swaps, overall. They are a path into the unknown of shifting the overall balance of a car, that needs to be engineered back in if you want to get anywhere with any driving proficiency... Or sometimes, even safety.
I do appreciate it if it's at least kept under the same brand (an "interracial" swap is a hole different can of worms I won't open). I'd also appreciate if it's a minimal shift in weight balance, CoG, and absolutely no interference to the suspension geometry, unless it's all properly engineered... At which point, how much do you have left of the original car, anyway??
The 3SGTE is a very capable engine, but I'm not a huge fan of turbo setups in general. Response and NA sounds are primordial for my enjoyment at hard driving.
Having that very powerful, but twitchy (boost build up) engine, paired with a very sensitive chassis, as the AW is, I don't think is a setup I'd be comfortable wringing about confidently at a place like the Nurburgring, for instance.
That doesn't take the fact that it would make it very quick on a straight line. But just as any cartbox on wheels you could strap the 3S to... But you'd miss all the subtleties and quirks of driving the AW, IMO.
@@YoShImUrA53 Thanks for the quick response, I really appreciate it. I need a new engine for my car and I know it’s a popular swap so I was curious what your thoughts were.
I was very skeptical about the extra weight and the turbo lag. Your comments pretty much confirms this will completely change the car. I think I’ll find another 4age or a lightweight NA engine.
@@scythiandude9495 I'd keep it 4A-GE, especially NOT 7A, unless you de-stroke it, which seems the hot trend these days... I'd keep it 1.6 4A.
I want to know about the decision of adding an upgraded rear sway bar. I am currently in the process of improving my 20V AW11's handling for a time trail series I am racing in. There has been a lot of debate about the rear sway bar, whether to keep the stock one, remove it, or get an upgraded one. People have different feelings about what to do. What was the result of upgrading the rear sway bar for you?
Well, as you say it's a personal requirement. I never had a need to upgrade the front one, for instance.
In my particular case, after fitting the ZW30's 5-speed with the Torsen LSD that comes in stock in all but the US-spec MR-S, I found that I had quite a bit of inner-rear-wheel traction loss due to roll. As with any change, it affected other areas which I had to fine tune now.
I figured by making it a bit more flat-cornering in the rear, I could reduce that effect. I'm happy to report it worked great for me, and also made the car a bit more tight when cornering fast. But after this change I realized I required a wider rear tire as well, as I was having too much rotation in corners at high speed. Which, if you look at the weight bias (the reason why you should have staggered tire widths, and only that), makes total sense.
After upgrading from 195 all round to 205 in the rear, and playing a bit with tire pressures, I think I really got the car where I wanted.
Makes you realize how premeditated and careful your changes have to be to achieve the goal of total balance in your setup.
@@YoShImUrA53 Thank you for the response. Why didn't you try to increase your rear camber to compensate for your lack of inner wheel traction or add stiffer rear springs? I understand based on your set up your camber might already be maxed out but I thought I would ask.
I am currently try to optimize rear traction when on the throttle. My turn in is great but I can't hit the accelerator as early as I'd like. That should be a clear advantage of the MR layout over FR but atm feels lacking. (I have a LSD, 225s in the rear but still have this issue)
@@zerohikari2685 well, if you read your own text you can realize the reasoning behind your problem. Your rear spring rate is probably too high.
The reason why I used a sway bar rather than the spring rate is you don't really require an increase in spring rate, with all the negative consequences that it induces in so many other parts of the setup, compared to a less drastic change. Less changes mean less things to compensate for. Sway bars don't affect longitudinally, let alone the kinematic's compliance over uneven surfaces,
Camber is changed for static (i.e. mid-corner) cornering conditions, and only with regards to the way you use the tire. Also, regarding rear camber, you add negative camber also to dampen the breakaway reactions, rather than only try to gain more grip. If it helps, I run very little more negative rear camber than the OEM specs. Around -1.3, -1.4 deg, iirc.
Personally, unless you have a waaay over powered drivetrain, you're probably also sertiously misusing that wide tire. Remember the concept of pressure per sq cm (or inch, if you work on Imperial). I wish I could actually run 185 F and 195 R instead, but my rim width (and my own attachment to it) and lack of real options in 185 prevent me from going.this way.
@YoShImUrA53 Thanks again.
I understand the consequences of harder rear springs but I am looking for other ways to offset it.
Your explanation of why you chose a rear sway bar makes sense. Not sure if it will help my situation installing one based on your feedback.
I currently run 1.5 camber in the rear but am probably going to bump it to 3. I think this is probably the best way to attack the issue for now.
My aw11 puts down 135whp. I found last year that my 205s were not enough to keep traction. That's why I upgraded to 225s.
Thanks again so much for your feedback. It is actually very difficult to find someone to talk about aw11 suspension tuning, most people just want to talk about how to K-swap their car.
@@zerohikari2685 Sure thing, but if I were in your shoes I'd literally do the opposite of what you're saying you're going to do. Best!
I wish I could drive my mk1 like that
Practice (and a good setup) makes perfect!
@@YoShImUrA53 I'll just have to keep pushing 😄
Racing tires?
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