Ahhh, my favorite kind of conversation 😍 What a treat to listen to four great minds discussing aspects of the Word with such a degree of friendly, inspiring intelligence. Hope to hear more four-way exchanges like this! You made my evening! Many thanks ❤
Fantastic. Loved this convo. Wish it became the norm with people. So hard to get on topic with people worhout them quickly shutting us down. Chat about the weather all day long, and your good. 😕
Wow, I love all this and always thought there were very intelligent beings that came way before us here now. Thank you for this info. This topic is very intriguing to me. I cannot get enough of it. Blessings 🙏😇
This is yet another fantastic video. Loved the panel discussion. I think this is a great one to share with friends who might be interested in Swedenborg's works, but don't know where to start. Thanks for this!!
I loved this discussion concerning the meanings behind the terms used in the Bible. It makes a lot of sense. What came to mind was the way early man might have imagined the power of the Creator by observing the qualities of animals, such as the vision of the eagle's eye, or the swiftness of the antelope, or the beauty of the peacock, etc. This might also be the reasoning behind the ancient Egyptians imaging the gods as people with animal heads. This also happened in India. I always try to connect the thoughts of Swedenborg with anything Baha'u'llah referred to, and I found a quote here from Baha'u'llah pertaining to ancient humanity: "And now regarding thy question, “How is it that no records are to be found concerning the Prophets that have preceded Adam, the Father of Mankind, or of the kings that lived in the days of those Prophets?” Know thou that the absence of any reference to them is no proof that they did not actually exist. That no records concerning them are now available should be attributed to their extreme remoteness, as well as to the vast changes which the earth hath undergone since their time. Moreover such forms and modes of writing as are now current amongst men were unknown to the generations that were before Adam. There was even a time when men were wholly ignorant of the art of writing, and had adopted a system entirely different from the one which they now use. For a proper exposition of this an elaborate explanation would be required." I don't know if Baha'u'llah later gave a more elaborate explanation or not. Baha'u'llah wrote thousands of letters responding to questions and we do not have all of them translated yet. But they are all preserved in the Holy Land, and committees are constantly working on translations. But, as Dr. Rose knows well, translating can be tedious if your intent is to get the very best translation.
Yes indeed, Harlan! But that's interesting stuff! Thanks for sharing. You know we love to see the parallels between Swedenborg and other faith traditions!
A good conversation about ancient times. The New Church received the knowledge of the ages. Mister Rose is now translating the volume 13 of Secrets of Heaven, very good to know this too. I hope that one day this fascinating book will be available completly translated also into Portuguese.
‘Glad I came across this video here! Kudos for sharing this!! I myself am agnostic in my perspectives these days. Too much has and is happening in this world these days to be affixed to any “belief” that is heavily influenced by religious doctrines or even those that refute religion/spiritual viewpoint (atheistic). So I find myself being tossed to & fro’ with watching & listening & reading so many different perspectives through videos, TV itself, books, etc. I may be agnostic, but I was raised a Christian, studied Mormonism a bit, dabbled with Buddhism, Gnosticism, and even occultic possibilities. I search for truth through all of this. But I also am a stern realist with a believe nothing, question everything, trust no one nature.
We honor everyone's journey in arriving at some point of faith (or not), Rich. Looks like you have been very open-minded in your quest. We humans can prove neither that there IS or IS NOT a God or an afterlife, so it comes down to a personal choice about what to believe. That's called spiritual freedom. So which ideas help you in your life? Which ones help you feel more peaceful about your sojourn on this earth? Which ones inspire you to be a good citizen of this world? Or whatever question you'd like. We're glad to know you found something interesting in this conversation, and we wish blessings for you on your continued spiritual journey. Thanks for checking in with us!
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This is such an interesting take Swedenborg has. I’ve just began reading the bible and Septuagint and to compare how I’m understanding things and Swedenborg’s interpretation is just wild, WILD. Swedenborg is such a unique and fascinating person. I can understand why so many Christian denominations come down hard on Swedenborg as some kind of heretic, he’s different, undeniably a genius and very, very humble. I really enjoyed this upload, it’s mad stuff and could have run twice as long. Thanks for Sharing.
So glad you thought this discussion was worthwhile, Nina! And so interesting to hear your take on Swedenborg and his interpretations. He definitely was different, but seems to have been truly humble, as you say. Stay tuned for more conversations like that, I hope!
This was an amazing and informative discussion - I feel like I have a better grasp of the transition from the first humans to where we are and how the Bible is the bridge between them. I appreciated the language analogy, turning language into a written form with grammar and rules. You spoke of the beauty of letting the Word wash over you and teach you in your spirit. My background, fundamentalist inerrancy with a touch of legalism and control, has left me 'Bible-shy'. I'm working on that, but right now, just the idea of sitting down for 'Quiet Time' (part of the discipline trappings and control) makes me anxious. Swedenborgianism has been the peace my soul was seeking with God. Everything I have heard from Off the Left Eye has shot straight to my heart and brought healing. Now, we just need a New Life church in the San Antonio area!
Thanks so much for this warm response, Lengnauer. Wishing you healing from the tough parts of your background, and an eventual comfort with letting the Lord speak to you through the Bible. We're delighted that the ideas here have touched your soul with peace and healing, and may you find people nearby to share it with!
I enjoy learning about Swedenborg and the new church. I am LDS and we believe that angels are people, that the earth was not created out of nothing and in eternal marriage.
Beautiful, and the last speech was so on point. I can only reiterate that which I have said before. God is all that exists. God is existence. Nothing exists that is not god. All words (written or spoken) come from the one source. This is "I" talking to "I." Of course, there is no sense in talking to the self. You would need to know what you were going to say to yourself in order to say it. So it would be pointless. The final chapter of the story of creation has been given, but in order to understand it as it does not currently make sense (as pointed out above). You need to acquire a new skill. It is not a coincidence that there is a new skill being learnt all over the world. The skill is making sense of nonsense a book by Raymond Moody. The answer to why I is talking to I is amazing. ❤️🙏Ramanamma Who? Author and 21st-century confirmationist.
Hey guys i’m just here asking for help. My grandparents and family all stem from a strong christian root with belief in another coming and the strong rules and messages in the bible. However I long for them to see the real hidden truth within but I don’t know how to give them revelation. I know that deep within them there is enough to have the saved as they accepted the good and true faith however I long for them to see this deeper meaning and understanding of God. It’s like teaching an old dog new tricks per se. I really wish to show them this because I know it will improve their faith and love 10 fold
Sounds like a challenge, Deshawn. I guess we first need to accept that everyone is in spiritual freedom and gets to act on it in whatever way seems best to them. Perhaps the most effective way to approach it is just to share with them whatever it is that really moves YOUR heart about the ideas you want them to know, what kind of difference these ideas make in YOUR life. Blessings to you. It is lovely to know that they are committed to goodness and truth as they understand it -- they love the Lord and the Lord loves them!
The nation of Isreal was developed in the womb of Egypt. But once they left that home to go to their 'promised' land, they had to fight for every inch of it. If God promised to the jews, why did they have to fight for it?
Because there were people already in the land who didn't want to give it up, maybe? I guess "promised" doesn't mean "free" or "without labor." That's the way it is with entering heaven, too!
You guys are making Swedenborg Your God. I think you need the Ten Commandments. Seek God..not your idols. I belonged to a church who worshipped idols too. Totally messed me up 😊❤
Jesus started Teaching me the commandments when I was six years old and I gave a talk on them..complete..when I was eight years old. I am now 80 and Jesus took me back to them to see where I messed up and made for myself a very hard life..and you are Right..He Showed me. I guess if you like Swedenborg..that is Okay. I like Jesus much better 😊❤
Thank you for your replies to me also, Revelation 2:17, I received a white stone, it just mysteriously appeared in my KJV bible, And a biblical message 5/22/2020, started new job at doing the lord’s work,,son of man feeding the hungry, Take care, shalom
Why dont you tell ppl that in ancient pali and sanskrit *abrahamic* means S_t_nic. "My name is Legion, for we are many". Abrahamic religions have destroyed humanity.
@@devonm6187How odd that you cpuld not be loving person without it, you had to be molded through fear. Look around. All mind sickness in the world are caused by Abrahamic religions. If you cant see it, it is a proof (not for you) how santa decives.
@@offTheLeftEye You cant understand nothing. You dont want to. You dont know anything. it´s BRAHMAN. "I am a Legion..." You dont know even eht you are preaching.
@offTheLeftEye yes it's the Rabbinic commentary on the spiritual meaning of the Torah. While the Talmud is the interpretation of the law and why we are required to obey the Jewish Law. The Midrash is the commentary on the why while the Talmud is the commentary on the what.
@@offTheLeftEyeThe Priests and Ministers, conclave of cardinals are more like the talmudic Rabbis, while scholars like Dr Johnathan Rose would make a Great Midrash interpreter. If he wasn't a gentile. But we won't hold that against him :).
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This group is a joy! More, please!
So glad it touched your heart, darby!
This was incredibly interesting and enjoyable listening to this group! So fun! Thank you! I would love more!!!
Thanks, Vangie! We'll see what Curtis has planned....
I loved this conversation. It made so many connections. Amazing thoughts. ❤
So glad to hear that, Mycuprunnethover. May you continue to discover new ideas as you ponder it!
Wow, so fun to watch these masters 😊
It was a great give-and-take, wasn't it, Jon?
Ahhh, my favorite kind of conversation 😍 What a treat to listen to four great minds discussing aspects of the Word with such a degree of friendly, inspiring intelligence. Hope to hear more four-way exchanges like this! You made my evening! Many thanks ❤
So glad you enjoyed it, Nancy! "Friendly, inspiring intelligence" -- lovely to witness!
Great discussion, please provide many more of this quality.
So glad you liked it, Joseph. Curtis is always trying new things, so we'll see what happens!
Fantastic. Loved this convo. Wish it became the norm with people. So hard to get on topic with people worhout them quickly shutting us down. Chat about the weather all day long, and your good. 😕
Yes, Gail -- Refreshing to see a civil conversation on a sensitive topic. Glad to know you enjoyed it!
Wow, I love all this and always thought there were very intelligent beings that came way before us here now. Thank you for this info. This topic is very intriguing to me. I cannot get enough of it.
Blessings 🙏😇
So glad you found it fascinating, YellowRose! Thanks for joining us, and blessings to you, too!
This conversation was very enjoyable. Thank you Curtis, Johnathan, Scott, and Steven.
Much Love, Y'all 🙏🏻💕
Thanks for the love, aCarolinaGal. So glad you enjoyed this discussion! Blessings to you.
This is yet another fantastic video. Loved the panel discussion. I think this is a great one to share with friends who might be interested in Swedenborg's works, but don't know where to start. Thanks for this!!
I agree that it is a great one to start with Kelli. Thanks for listening and sharing.
I loved this discussion concerning the meanings behind the terms used in the Bible. It makes a lot of sense. What came to mind was the way early man might have imagined the power of the Creator by observing the qualities of animals, such as the vision of the eagle's eye, or the swiftness of the antelope, or the beauty of the peacock, etc. This might also be the reasoning behind the ancient Egyptians imaging the gods as people with animal heads. This also happened in India.
I always try to connect the thoughts of Swedenborg with anything Baha'u'llah referred to, and I found a quote here from Baha'u'llah pertaining to ancient humanity:
"And now regarding thy question, “How is it that no records are to be found concerning the Prophets that have preceded Adam, the Father of Mankind, or of the kings that lived in the days of those Prophets?” Know thou that the absence of any reference to them is no proof that they did not actually exist. That no records concerning them are now available should be attributed to their extreme remoteness, as well as to the vast changes which the earth hath undergone since their time.
Moreover such forms and modes of writing as are now current amongst men were unknown to the generations that were before Adam. There was even a time when men were wholly ignorant of the art of writing, and had adopted a system entirely different from the one which they now use. For a proper exposition of this an elaborate explanation would be required."
I don't know if Baha'u'llah later gave a more elaborate explanation or not. Baha'u'llah wrote thousands of letters responding to questions and we do not have all of them translated yet. But they are all preserved in the Holy Land, and committees are constantly working on translations. But, as Dr. Rose knows well, translating can be tedious if your intent is to get the very best translation.
Yes indeed, Harlan! But that's interesting stuff! Thanks for sharing. You know we love to see the parallels between Swedenborg and other faith traditions!
A good conversation about ancient times. The New Church received the knowledge of the ages. Mister Rose is now translating the volume 13 of Secrets of Heaven, very good to know this too. I hope that one day this fascinating book will be available completly translated also into Portuguese.
Glad you enjoyed the conversation, Luis. I, too, hope that someday there will be translations of SH into many languages!
Love when I learn new ways of seeing God! Thank you for another enlightening episode! 🙌🏼❤️😇
You're welcome, LydiaCLARE! Glad this felt enlightening!
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I love this kind of friendly group wisdom sharing. ❤
We love it too Carmela!
‘Glad I came across this video here! Kudos for sharing this!! I myself am agnostic in my perspectives these days. Too much has and is happening in this world these days to be affixed to any “belief” that is heavily influenced by religious doctrines or even those that refute religion/spiritual viewpoint (atheistic). So I find myself being tossed to & fro’ with watching & listening & reading so many different perspectives through videos, TV itself, books, etc. I may be agnostic, but I was raised a Christian, studied Mormonism a bit, dabbled with Buddhism, Gnosticism, and even occultic possibilities. I search for truth through all of this. But I also am a stern realist with a believe nothing, question everything, trust no one nature.
We honor everyone's journey in arriving at some point of faith (or not), Rich. Looks like you have been very open-minded in your quest. We humans can prove neither that there IS or IS NOT a God or an afterlife, so it comes down to a personal choice about what to believe. That's called spiritual freedom.
So which ideas help you in your life? Which ones help you feel more peaceful about your sojourn on this earth? Which ones inspire you to be a good citizen of this world? Or whatever question you'd like.
We're glad to know you found something interesting in this conversation, and we wish blessings for you on your continued spiritual journey. Thanks for checking in with us!
Great panel; enjoyed it very much... thank you all.
You're very welcome, pasquiller. Thanks for dropping in to watch!
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This was another dimension of teaching New Church doctrine and I really enjoyed this. Would love more of the same.
Hopefully there will be more of these great collaborative videos fbraakman.
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This is such an interesting take Swedenborg has. I’ve just began reading the bible and Septuagint and to compare how I’m understanding things and Swedenborg’s interpretation is just wild, WILD. Swedenborg is such a unique and fascinating person. I can understand why so many Christian denominations come down hard on Swedenborg as some kind of heretic, he’s different, undeniably a genius and very, very humble. I really enjoyed this upload, it’s mad stuff and could have run twice as long. Thanks for Sharing.
So glad you thought this discussion was worthwhile, Nina! And so interesting to hear your take on Swedenborg and his interpretations. He definitely was different, but seems to have been truly humble, as you say. Stay tuned for more conversations like that, I hope!
This was an amazing and informative discussion - I feel like I have a better grasp of the transition from the first humans to where we are and how the Bible is the bridge between them. I appreciated the language analogy, turning language into a written form with grammar and rules.
You spoke of the beauty of letting the Word wash over you and teach you in your spirit. My background, fundamentalist inerrancy with a touch of legalism and control, has left me 'Bible-shy'. I'm working on that, but right now, just the idea of sitting down for 'Quiet Time' (part of the discipline trappings and control) makes me anxious.
Swedenborgianism has been the peace my soul was seeking with God. Everything I have heard from Off the Left Eye has shot straight to my heart and brought healing. Now, we just need a New Life church in the San Antonio area!
Thanks so much for this warm response, Lengnauer. Wishing you healing from the tough parts of your background, and an eventual comfort with letting the Lord speak to you through the Bible. We're delighted that the ideas here have touched your soul with peace and healing, and may you find people nearby to share it with!
Cain did call Able his brother when he said 'Am i my brother's keeper?' Announcing that he had no love for his brother.
Ah-hah. Thanks, sweetbean.
Well, well, well.
I enjoy learning about Swedenborg and the new church. I am LDS and we believe that angels are people, that the earth was not created out of nothing and in eternal marriage.
Welcome to this channel, Dreadmonger. Yes there is overlap between Swedenborg's teachings and LDS.
blessings to all.
And to you, Robert!
Beautiful, and the last speech was so on point. I can only reiterate that which I have said before. God is all that exists. God is existence. Nothing exists that is not god.
All words (written or spoken) come from the one source. This is "I" talking to "I." Of course, there is no sense in talking to the self. You would need to know what you were going to say to yourself in order to say it. So it would be pointless. The final chapter of the story of creation has been given, but in order to understand it as it does not currently make sense (as pointed out above). You need to acquire a new skill. It is not a coincidence that there is a new skill being learnt all over the world. The skill is making sense of nonsense a book by Raymond Moody. The answer to why I is talking to I is amazing. ❤️🙏Ramanamma Who? Author and 21st-century confirmationist.
Making sense of nonsense. Gotta check out that Moody book again....
Agreed❣️
Fun to keep being curious, Lisa.
waaaaaiit a minute! I thought Curtis and Dr. Rose already were themselves professors, no? 😅😊😃
(t's ok. love you anyway 😊)
Dr. Rose, yes. Curtis, not in the traditional sense. :)
Angel are people is what the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints teaches also
Interesting. I didn't know that and I'm a fairly recent new member
@@Freddy78909welcome. the angel Moroni was a prophet before he died and became an angel
@@KnightOfIsrael1 I told a few other Saints about Emmanuel Swedenborg and they seemed fine with studying another modern prophet
@@Freddy78909 yeah it is fine, if we were righteous enough we could all be prophets.
Thanks for sharing that, KnightOfIsrael. I love hearing about parallels!
This is such a nice intelligent change from all the blah blah blah nonsense on line. Thanks.
WE are glad to have you in this conversation SunShine.
Hey guys i’m just here asking for help. My grandparents and family all stem from a strong christian root with belief in another coming and the strong rules and messages in the bible. However I long for them to see the real hidden truth within but I don’t know how to give them revelation. I know that deep within them there is enough to have the saved as they accepted the good and true faith however I long for them to see this deeper meaning and understanding of God. It’s like teaching an old dog new tricks per se. I really wish to show them this because I know it will improve their faith and love 10 fold
Sounds like a challenge, Deshawn. I guess we first need to accept that everyone is in spiritual freedom and gets to act on it in whatever way seems best to them. Perhaps the most effective way to approach it is just to share with them whatever it is that really moves YOUR heart about the ideas you want them to know, what kind of difference these ideas make in YOUR life. Blessings to you. It is lovely to know that they are committed to goodness and truth as they understand it -- they love the Lord and the Lord loves them!
The nation of Isreal was developed in the womb of Egypt. But once they left that home to go to their 'promised' land, they had to fight for every inch of it. If God promised to the jews, why did they have to fight for it?
Maybe this is symbolic, not literal. Perhaps the Jews were fighting against their own lower nature in order to become more heavenly.
Because there were people already in the land who didn't want to give it up, maybe? I guess "promised" doesn't mean "free" or "without labor." That's the way it is with entering heaven, too!
Thank you harlan, yes I think all of us are required to fight against our own lower nature.
@@offTheLeftEye Exactly there were people already there ... kinda like the Palestinians in that region today
You guys are making Swedenborg Your God. I think you need the Ten Commandments. Seek God..not your idols. I belonged to a church who worshipped idols too. Totally messed me up 😊❤
We've got the Ten Commandments, kathleen. We're grateful for the perspective Swedenborg gives us on the depth of meaning in the Ten Commandments.
Jesus started Teaching me the commandments when I was six years old and I gave a talk on them..complete..when I was eight years old. I am now 80 and Jesus took me back to them to see where I messed up and made for myself a very hard life..and you are Right..He Showed me. I guess if you like Swedenborg..that is Okay. I like Jesus much better 😊❤
Swedenborg would be delighted that you like Jesus better, Kathleen!
KJV bible,John 14:26🕊14;6🌹3:3-5💧repent ✡️
9,(I), Blue, The Holy Spirit
8, Purple, Immanuel Jesus Christ
7, Red, God Almighty Elohim
And the Angels saying,Holy,holy,holy,
Proverbs 9:10, wisdom,
Malachi 4(5), Warned !
Shalom
Ecclesiastes 9::5-6,
Isaiah 8:19-20
Shalom, byron.
Thank you for sharing your love of scripture Byron.
Thank you for your replies to me also,
Revelation 2:17, I received a white stone, it just mysteriously appeared in my KJV bible,
And a biblical message 5/22/2020, started new job at doing the lord’s work,,son of man feeding the hungry,
Take care, shalom
Why dont you tell ppl that in ancient pali and sanskrit *abrahamic* means S_t_nic. "My name is Legion, for we are many".
Abrahamic religions have destroyed humanity.
My Abrahamic religion made me into a loving person. Now, I live my life with love and service to others. Namaste
@@devonm6187How odd that you cpuld not be loving person without it, you had to be molded through fear. Look around. All mind sickness in the world are caused by Abrahamic religions. If you cant see it, it is a proof (not for you) how santa decives.
I don't see that etymology when I look up the Hebrew name, Abraham.
@@offTheLeftEye You cant understand nothing. You dont want to. You dont know anything. it´s BRAHMAN. "I am a Legion..." You dont know even eht you are preaching.
Are you spelling it two different ways? Abrahamic / Brahman …
What is the correspondence of Satan in your understanding?
The Midrash... The Talmud and the Torah
evil
I just looked up "Midrash," having never heard the word before, immortalblue. So it's some kind of exegesis and interpretation of the Rabbinic texts?
@offTheLeftEye yes it's the Rabbinic commentary on the spiritual meaning of the Torah. While the Talmud is the interpretation of the law and why we are required to obey the Jewish Law. The Midrash is the commentary on the why while the Talmud is the commentary on the what.
@@offTheLeftEyeThe Priests and Ministers, conclave of cardinals are more like the talmudic Rabbis, while scholars like Dr Johnathan Rose would make a Great Midrash interpreter. If he wasn't a gentile. But we won't hold that against him :).
Thank you for this context immortalblue.
thank you😊
You're welcome, Andreas!