A very wise man once told me that "reading the bible for morality is exactly like digging through shit for sweet corn, sure there's a little in there but is it really worth it" 🤷🏾♂️
There is no sweet corn. All they have is candy corn, which has the name corn and is supposed to be a candy version of a corn. But everyone knows that it's not corn. If all they have is "thou shalt not kill" to say killing is wrong, without saying anything about HOW it is wrong and how it is that the Bible is full of it, then they don't have any morality.
A wise man wouldn't know what it's was like to dig through s*** looking for sweet corn.. Digging through s*** looking for sweet corn sounds more like something people are doing living in atheistic humanist North Korea because they're starving.
☕️🍰 Yes… But in some states, countries peoples read all violent texts and have acceptance from community because they sense of justice is putrefaction.
@@Bolocomcafe I bet you choose to live under what Christians created which is modern Western Civilization rather than living under a godless atheistic humanist Utopia like North Korea. Humanist have no sense of morals they believe in do as thou Wilt and the ends justify the means. But of course since atheism and humanism is an abomination it's no surprising it results in the least free people in the world. Every atheistic humanist government without exception has been communist. Atheists require a dictator. Because atheists believe and do as thou Wilt and the end justify the means they have no ways of making laws so they require a dictator. Unfortunately the dictators are humanists like themselves which results in them losing basic human rights like the ability to think for themselves and believe what they want.
If "The" Bible is the infallible word of God, then God is solely responsible for creating both good and evil and scheming to hide that knowledge from humanity.
@jgage2344 never yet have I seen an atheist spell check another atheist, it's just they need gotchas so bad, to make up for the black hole they call thinking.
“The infallible word of god” has resulted in thousands of christian denominations, each one convinced that THEIR ‘interpretation’ of this so called “infallible word” is the only truth, which has led to a history of relentless persecution and bloodshed among christians themselves.
☕️🍰 Facts, and in my channel the Vatican say about this for confirme your comment, no one believe because is true, because is tradition, some believe is true because was suffered by brainwashing from leaders demoniacs criminals.
☕️🍰 Facts, and in my channel the Vatican say about this for confirme your comment, no one believe because is true, because is tradition, some believe is true because was suffered by brainwashing from leaders demoniacs criminals.
☕️🍰 Facts, and in my channel the Vatican say about this for confirme your comment, no one believe because is true, because is tradition, some believe is true because was suffered by brainwashing from leaders demoniacs criminals.
☕️🍰 Facts, and in my channel the Vatican say about this for confirme your comment, no one believe because is true, because is tradition, some believe is true because was suffered by brainwashing from leaders demoniacs criminals.
I was a christian throughtout my childhood. Listening to child friendly teachings. It took reading the Bible fully, with adult eyes and reasoning. To turn me into an Athiest.
only thing more disturbing then ignorant theists supporting their religion ...is the fundamentalist ones that instead of going ''waaaaaaaait a minute!'' when reading a decrepit book of holy degeneracy with adult eyes , starts excuse what it says or have their brain shut down in cognitive dissonance :( considering the world situation with all the super nations and climate keeping ''boiling like slow frog cooking'' seeing how the reality denying population in the states is large enough to risk putting the nations resources in the hands of the orange front figure puppet and by extension its 'associates' truely makes one groan
@@JimCastleberry "god ya idiot. Christians believe in God, not a god. " No, idiots are the type of childish morons that think arguing with playground logic that a capital "G" is special as opposed to a "g". F**k, child that's playground level arguing. Especially, as your God is by definition a god.
My own mother (a black woman) gave me the "it's not the same as American slavery" I don't why I was shocked. She's the same person who also doesn't understand why anyone would question why god allows children to starve.
@IRGeamer Voltaire should know, he got rich selling ammunition to any cause that would pay him. Then he seduced his sisters daughter-----oh yeah, there is a man to be admired.
I have had the slavery conversations with people I know and was already perplexed by their answers. “If god said it was good back then then it was good”, “not the same kind of slavery”.
“How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!” - Mark Twain “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire
I grew up with Norse Mythology, as I am a Norseman, and the Pros Edda clearly states that Odin and his brothers created the world from the body of a giant Jotunn. Therefore any religion that claims the world was created in a different way are all false, cuz my book is right and all others are fake. Sure that is how this works.
Well Norse mythology can't hold a candle to Christianity. Does your Norse mythology have a way to justify slavery??? Or can you use your Norse mythology to justify any of your personal bigotry? Christianity is superior in this account and why so many bigots are Christians.
At a minimum, if there was one God, one religion, wouldn't every culture in every part of the earth, throughout time, all have the same book and share the same beliefs? All these books and beliefs can't all be right, but they certainly can all be wrong.
In biblical times ignorance and superstition was the norm, now with education and scientific knowledge to guide us to the truth, ignorance and superstition are a choice.
The religious are ALREADY slaves to their beliefs. And seeing how the Christian God is quite similar to George Dubya Bush in arrogance without intelligence, God is GOP. NOT vice versa.
As soon as aomeone pivots from trying to defend the Bible on slavery to "How doee an atheist know that slavery is wrong, anyway?", they have given up on trying to defend Biblical morals.
Bible didn't cause slavery, Bible didn't request slavery Bible didn't demand slavery. The Bible was a road map to end slavery. First with Mercy through Judaism and then finally ending slavery throughout the world with christianity. Although some might define what's going on in places like atheist humanist China and atheist humanist China as modern day slavery.
@@amtlpaul the Bible gave rules to the Jewish people who just got out of slavery themselves by the pagans.. and these were rules that showed mercy finally through Christianity ending slavery throughout the world. The end of slavery was a Christian movement. Although some would define what atheist humanists are doing to people in places like China and North Korea as modern day slavery. It's horrible what is going on today with the atheist humanist pushing white supremacist atheist humanist Margaret Sangars negro plan committing genocide against 50% of all black children every day in America . Atheist humanist believes this is justified because the atheist humanist believes the end justify the means and they believe and do as thou Wilt. Humanist have no sense of morals.
@@HumanismIsRepulsive Imagine having a name like HUMANISM is repulsive and thinking you're the moral one. The bible gives instructions on how to buy slaves and how much you can beat them, and even gives tips to get around loopholes in order to keep your indentured servants. Are you a christian nationalist?
@@HumanismIsRepulsiveRepulsive. Good lord, ur a material guy living in a material world. The bible is a road map to end slavery? Even you have got to be kidding
I mean, he's wrong about _SO MUCH_ that this seems more like a sidebar than the meat of the subject wherein he's clearly disinformed. But that doesn't mean I'm disputing your assertion.
Crucifixion was invented by God because of his plan to send Jesus into the world to be crucified for our sins. Unless of course you don't believe that this was actually God's plan.... and that he saw the Persians and Romans crucify someone and suddenly thought..."Well there is a grand idea!!!!"...
it is amazing that to the caller's distorted psyche the reading of 'buying', 'servants', 'teeth', 'eye' etc. did not trigger revulsion but he sprang to defend his 'word of god' with pathetic laughable excuses and slowly, all by himself, not only admitted the very point but supported it as moral. destroyed by religion.
The caller was incorrect in his statement of the first use of crucifixion as a method of capitol punishment. It originated in Assyria and/or Babylon in the 6th century BCE. So it was in use four and a half centuries before his date of 150 BCE. I find when people start off by misrepresenting the evidence, the rest of their argument usually goes badly.
If the book is called Matthew, it must have written by Matthew! Also If the book is called Frankenstein, it must have been written by Victor Frankenstein!
Listen guys, God didn’t say “Everyone should own slaves”, he just gave a load of conditions, loopholes, told you where to get them, what rules you need to obey if they’re Jewish or gentile, and explicitly states that slaves are your ‘money’, and sent his son down who told slaves to obey their masters. He’s totally against slavery, he just didn’t say it out loud.
Or he could just have said. "Its not ok to own slaves". But he didn't. The bible unsurprisingly simply reflects the morality of the time it was authored - i.e. its nothing special.
"Here's the recipe for a blueberry cupcake" "Oh nice! I'll start baking a batch right awa-" "Now now hold on. I didn't say you had the right to bake them. I just gave you the recipe"
Keep the virgin girls for yourselves..... Ok, so it says you can own slaves, it says you can buy and own people, and it tells some people to go do it.... But .... Um.... I have no idea how to defend that, I'd be a rubbish apologist.
There are records of the Persians crucifying people long before 150 BCE. Possibly in the 6th century BCE. Herodotos reports the Athenians crucifying a captured Persian general in the 5th century BCE. This guy is starting from a flawed premise.
Christians: We have objective morality because god, and atheists can't say anying is immoral. Atheists: Slavery is immoral. Christian caller: Slavery is not necessarily immoral. 🤦♂🤦♂
@@JimCastleberry Tell me where I did that? Between the two of us, only I understand objective morality. What you have is Divine Command Theory that you pretend is objective. And that's why you won't directly talk to me, because you are afraid to have this discussion. You will LITERALLY commit all these acts, not just call them immoral, if your god commands you to do it. Amazing to watch you pretend that you have ANY morality and lie and invert the facts upside down to project your immorality on others.
@@joshsheridan9511 JEdith's morality is just his feeling that he calls his moral intuition. And he will claim that his moral intuition is "objective" because he will pretend that his intuition is coming from his god. And what I just said here is more than HE is able to describe about his morality. He can only get to, "there's an objective morality". It's like equating "we can go to the moon" with all the work and science needed to actually get to the moon. If Damonkey was capabable of reading this far, he'll call this a diatribe. Because if it's too hard for his widdle head, it must be a diatribe.
@@JimCastleberry "You claim slavery, child grape and murder is morally justifiable" Prove he claimed that.... "Amazing to watch you atheists lie" Feck off, YOU ARE THE PROVEN LIAR. You are hypocrite and troll...
@@JimCastleberry "not objective moral evils" Speaking of morals... YOU are LIAR YOU pretend to be a woman/women Edith... YOU commit the sin of vanity... YOU accuse others so that's bearing false witness.... So feck off with your BS postings.
The first known case of crucifixion dates back to ancient times, specifically to the 6th century BCE. It was a method of execution practiced by several ancient civilizations, including the Persians, Carthaginians, and Romans. The earliest recorded use of crucifixion as a form of punishment was by the Persians around 519 BCE. The practice was later adopted and refined by the Romans, becoming particularly infamous during the Roman Empire's rule. It was primarily used for slaves, criminals, and enemies of the state.
The Bible, is essentially the only source for all the stories of your God. It's just amazing that it's a a sheep loving book with over 500 references to sheep, flocks, lambs, shepherds and such was ONLY brought to a bunch of illiterate sheep herding superstitious people in the middle east. The only reference to sheep it missed is a recipe for mint sauce. The bible somehow never appeared anywhere else in the world, despite there being other civilizations, tribes and people's everywhere... So the bible was given to these people that just happened to grow up in the same middle east that was home to older myths that oddly tell older versions of the same tales just slightly different from the Hebrew versions. Speaking of versions, the "V" in "KJV" stands for "version" as in it's DIFFERENT! So apparently the infallible word of God was redefined many times by people with an agenda to change it in their interests... And that's apart from societal and language changes The Bible is a collection of borrowed stories and events that did not happen... Genesis, was copied from the Egyptians.. It has errors, daytime is from sunrise to sunset, yet the sun was created on the 4th day? Light created before the source of the light? Jesus with a halo around his head was copied from the Egyptian Ankh symbol... Noah's flood came from an older Sumerian myth and clearly could not and did not happen... The story of Jesus was partly taken from other religions. Each of them, Norse, Egyptian, Sumerian, Greek, the Bible, all have a God coming to impregnate a human woman to create a demi-god. Exodus didn't happen... It would have you believe that they escaped Egypt to go to Canaan, which was a province of Egypt at the time... and got lost for 40 years following the coast on a journey that I could walk in a week... and no one in Egypt documented the story. There is nothing in the bible that was not knowledge to the people of that time. No traveler ever went to another country outside the middle east and found them already worshiping the Bible God and already reading the Bible there.
Poor Tim.." oh the tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive". His attempts to explain biblical slavery were painful to listen to. If, when he goes to work he is a slave, join a Union.
13:36 "That law doesn't apply to us today." RIGHT! . . . And so, neither do John 3:16, John 14:6, 1 John 4:14 . . . Or are cherries his favorite fruit?
When was crucifiction invented? Like is he sure about the 150 BC (One quick search says 300-400 BC in Persia, but that still means that was just first use that we know of.
The psalm makes no reference to crucifixion and when read in context clearly has nothing to do with it. But, if you read it out of context it can be subjectively interpreted to sound like crucifixion. This is how “prophecy” in the Bible “works”.
First it’s “slavery is wrong & the Bible doesn’t endorse slavery!” Then two minutes later, it’s “well, slavery doesn’t have to be immoral & if god says it’s ok, then I’m ok with it.”
Never mind all the other inaccuracies and nonsense elsewhere in the Bible, the gospels contradict each other on Jesus’ last words. “Infallible”? I think not.
My 86 year old, Christian MIL once told me she’d have a mansion in heaven. I asked her why she’d want a mansion when she didn’t like cleaning the house she has. Her response was, “I won’t have to clean it. I’ll have people to do it for me. That’s why blacks go to heaven”. I asked her why in the hell she thought that and she said that’s what her church told them. So, they all believed it and “getting to own slaves was another incentive for going to heaven”. I’d love to know how many Christians out of the billions believe that as well. I know she’s not the only one.
@@Temulon It’s outrageous! And when I told other Christians what she said they would not confirm nor deny that they felt the same way. I believe that is what a LOT of them believe, but they won’t admit it they will lie because they are afraid to because the Bible says they can have slaves, where ti buy them and how to treat them.
@@Kellie08 Even if that were true, Don't Christians constantly say that the Old Testament no longer applies? Which is where the laws regarding slaves were written. Can you imagine that there actually is an afterlife, and your place in it is to be a servant until the end of time? Thanks Jesus!
@@Temulon Yeah. They constantly say the Old Testament doesn’t apply anymore, but they only mean it doesn’t apply to them. It sure as hell applies when they find out someone is gay. Then they are more than happy to beat you down with the OT rules that only applied to Levitical priests in the first place. Those rules NEVER applied to regular people and the original text said they couldn’t “lay with children”. King James the p3do changed it so they could still “lay with children”. It’s so disgusting that they have been all been graping kids since the beginning of time and still are. I still can’t figure out how broken your moral compass has to be in order to align yourself with a God that allows it. Slavery was condoned by Jesus as well. Both of these examples are Jesus speaking. Ephesians 6:5-9 New International Version 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free. 9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him. AND Luke 17:5-10 New International Version 5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” 6 He replied, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you. 7 “Suppose one of you has a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Will he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, ‘Come along now and sit down to eat’? 8 Won’t he rather say, ‘Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink’? 9 Will he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? 10 So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’” You will not find one sentence in the Bible that says. “DO NOT OWN PEOPLE AS PROPERTY.” But, it lists hundreds of things you can’t do. Here are some that were so important they had to be listed. Don’t sit where a menstruating woman sat. Don't wear cloth made of wool and linen. Don’t kill a burglar during the day. Don’t eat shellfish. This is a good one. The Lord said to Moses, 17“Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 22He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.’ ” God creates people with physical defects and disabilities the HE discriminates against them. At least he let them eat. That’s the part that makes him so loving.
Psalm 22:12-18 does not describe a crucifixion. Psalm 22 describes a warrior surrounded on the ground by his enemies. There is nothing to suggest that the man is in any way lifted up to be killed. Nothing to suggest that it's a prophecy as everyone who's not a Christian knows.
I went to a school that had the bible as a subject and I remember the teacher just focused on the verses and chapters he wanted us to learn and focus on. I did not know about slavery in the Bible until I stumbled upon Derek mythvision.
Hey Tim, is the mustard seed the smallest seed? No? Jesus said it was but that's wrong 🤔 what's going on there?...and that's one of many 😂 Infallible my ass!
If we could see Tim tap dancing, it would be quite the show. Tim’s stammering is quite telling as he tries to come up with excuses to support his immoral book.
Tim tried to appear reasonable when he first came on and then became more unhinged when pressed for answers. He ended up stammering and talking gibberish.
People like this caller don't ever seem to understand that reading the bible, what does it mean anything to us because we're not questioning what the Bible says. We are questioning if the Bible is true. We are questioning if what the bible says happened. You are quoting the Bible already presuming that what the Bible says is true but you haven't gotten to that step. You would have to demonstrate that God exists then you would have to Dem demonstrate that the Bible is accurate then once you've done that you can start quoting the Bible and explaining what it means. But you can't assume that what the Bible says is true by reading the Bible
The earliest recorded crucifixion may have been the death of Polycrates, the tyrant of Samos, in 522 BCE. The Persians crucified Polycrates' body after he died.
I invented sprunkle, and wrote the story of my savior dying from sprunkle torture. Just last Thursday morning, shortly after I created everything. Therefore my mythology is the really real one. Sorry Tim -- your rules. You lose.
"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46, KJV). "Have you ever heard of something so utterly nonsensical, so mindless to both logic and reason, as a God crying out to himself wondering why he has been forsaken, by himself?' Pathetic.
I asked dr. Becky astrophysicist,and she says there has never been a scientific paper that ends with :this shows the hand of a creator or a god : .you were right as usual .
@@jonclark8252 Whenever a bible babbler tells me that just because you can't see g0d doesn't mean g0d doesn't exist because you can't see air and air exists, I always say "just look at the trees!"
How was there even a word for something 1000 years before that thing existed? I mean maybe we theorize a mathematical truth or a particle but a torture method?
The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66-70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85-90, and John AD 90-110. Despite the traditional ascriptions, most scholars hold that all four are anonymous and most scholars agree that none were written by eyewitnesses.
The one thing that bothers me about this show is that there are so many clear contradictions in the Bible, but whenever someone calls in and claims that the Bible is infallible the hosts never point out any of the contractions. That would seem like the quickest way to debunk their claims.
@@thesoundsmith Fair enough. When somebody believes something by faith rather than logic they can harmonize almost any contradiction if they work hard enough at it. It’s sad.
How can you argue about this book which, if you have a really old one, in my opinion is simply just a good standby for toilet paper if you are running short of the original paper.
At one time in my teens, as a typically "rebellious" brat who thrived on what I thot was "shock" value, I thot I'd be blasphemous and literally wipe my ass with bible pages. Trust me, it is _NOT_ good for that!! It's _very_ uncomfortable.
I'm sorry not. 150BCE wasn't the first recorded crucifixion as Alexander the great used it as punishment to thousands in persia during the 4th century BCE, and Alexander wasn't the first as the Babylonians used it 2 centuries before that. Jesus wasn't even an idea when Alexander was putting people on crosses. The Persian and Babylonians had crucified each other 700 years before 150BCE. Who told this guy nailing people to a cross was made in 150bce as it was easier to make a cross stick straight up than other ways of hanging people to be ended by exposure.
So why that psalm? The one where it asked about being forsaken? Did he quote that particular psalm be cause he felt he had been abandoned? He could of quoted something from the 23rd psalm for example. "Yay though I walk through the valley of death I shall fear no evil" or "my soul he doth restore again". Instead why some quote about being forsaken?
they can see the mythology in every other civilizations and their Gods but they think israelite mythology is true despite not being able to prove most of the stories.
And they weren't books they were scrolls. Pieced together. That there is more than one "version" of the Bible was one straw in my cognitive dissonance that finally led to freeing myself of the myth.
Theist: "The bible is the word of god." Skeptic: "How do you know that?" Theist: "The bible tells us so." Skeptic: "Why believe the bible?" Theist: "The bible is infallible." Skeptic: "How you know that?" Theist: "The bible is the word of god." Eureka!!!
Christianity noob here. I tried looking it up on the internet but I would an actual person to help me understand something: Exodus being in the old testament, how comes christians still take it at face value? Isn't the new testament supposed to override and correct the old one? How much of the old testament is true in the eye of today's Christians? Thanks
Just...wow. I've said it already, but I'll say it again: coming from an overwhelmingly atheist country, this subject was never a conversation topic, while I grew up. It's first now, that I learn, how bad our current situation is.
I also come from a more or less secular country.....where atheism is the default. It wasn't untill I more or less accidentally started listening to this and similar channels that I understood how backwards the usa really is with regards to religion, it is shocking in fact...but at times callers are so batshit crazy and uneducated that one cannot keep from laughing
"He that stealeth a man and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death" (Exodus 21:16) But...."Thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13)
The thou shalt not kill tends to be used towards murder and not killing, period. Of course, this depends on denomination, but in general its in the legal sense.
@@shanewilson7994 I suppose "thou shalt not kill" is a bit vague. Luckily we have very skilled people who can discern what he meant. I suppose "love your enemies" also requires careful interpretation.
In order for there to be a slave law there must be a slave law giver. Who do we suppose gave the writers of the books in the bible The laws surrounding the owning of human beings as property?
superstition - noun 1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition 2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary Merriam-Webster
Caller : I studied the bible ... Also caller when asked if slavery is immoral so why the bible advocate it ? Answered with the bible didn't... Yet at the end he said the bible did advocate it & if god ok with slavery so am I .... You can watch the video where he literally contradict himself & his morals just to prove a sh!ty man in the sky
I am no scholar, and my questions may sound silly to you. but I do listen to this channel, and these thoughts prompted me to ask. Slavery at that time was as that environment. Today, we are slaves in a dignified way. Every employee is property or slaves of the employer, and we do have a guideline of how we should perform. Give to Ceaser what is Ceaser's... I will want to say the Bible is a guideline of how all people should live. There are signs parables sermons and way of living esp in the new testament ...etc. If as stated, there is no God, the bible is just another book, whose writings or authors unknown, what purpose should we place on our own lives? Now, those who believe in God live with hope, with purpose. If not, why do we have to live good lives and choose right over wrong, we can live our own lives as we choose as we are not accountable. Hence, the uprising of gay marriages, euthanasia, racial disharmony, random shootings ... etc. How does life balance itself?
Who is better? The society that protects Animals or a Bible God that wanted Animals to be Sacrificed to Him? Oh, how was this book God watching His Favorite So-called Bible Hero Samson tying wood on 300 FOXES tail and burnt them? I can give more details of sorrowful animals in Bible stories😢
A very wise man once told me that "reading the bible for morality is exactly like digging through shit for sweet corn, sure there's a little in there but is it really worth it" 🤷🏾♂️
There is no sweet corn. All they have is candy corn, which has the name corn and is supposed to be a candy version of a corn. But everyone knows that it's not corn.
If all they have is "thou shalt not kill" to say killing is wrong, without saying anything about HOW it is wrong and how it is that the Bible is full of it, then they don't have any morality.
A wise man wouldn't know what it's was like to dig through s*** looking for sweet corn..
Digging through s*** looking for sweet corn sounds more like something people are doing living in atheistic humanist North Korea because they're starving.
☕️🍰 Yes… But in some states, countries peoples read all violent texts and have acceptance from community because they sense of justice is putrefaction.
@@Bolocomcafe I bet you choose to live under what Christians created which is modern Western Civilization rather than living under a godless atheistic humanist Utopia like North Korea.
Humanist have no sense of morals they believe in do as thou Wilt and the ends justify the means. But of course since atheism and humanism is an abomination it's no surprising it results in the least free people in the world.
Every atheistic humanist government without exception has been communist. Atheists require a dictator. Because atheists believe and do as thou Wilt and the end justify the means they have no ways of making laws so they require a dictator. Unfortunately the dictators are humanists like themselves which results in them losing basic human rights like the ability to think for themselves and believe what they want.
@@HumanismIsRepulsivesuch anger...typical christian
If "The" Bible is the infallible word of God, then God is solely responsible for creating both good and evil and scheming to hide that knowledge from humanity.
Out of curiosity. Did you put "the" because of the fact that there's tons of different versions of it
issaih 45:7 explicitly quotes god as saying he created evil so you do not need to take inference to get there.
@@Otingocniwow just wow ,with spellcheck that’s really hard to do …3 misspelled words in one sentence!
@jgage2344 never yet have I seen an atheist spell check another atheist, it's just they need gotchas so bad, to make up for the black hole they call thinking.
Boooooo@@jgage2344
“The infallible word of god” has resulted in thousands of christian denominations, each one convinced that THEIR ‘interpretation’ of this so called “infallible word” is the only truth, which has led to a history of relentless persecution and bloodshed among christians themselves.
All this from a being that asserts not to be the author of confusion
☕️🍰 Facts, and in my channel the Vatican say about this for confirme your comment, no one believe because is true, because is tradition, some believe is true because was suffered by brainwashing from leaders demoniacs criminals.
☕️🍰 Facts, and in my channel the Vatican say about this for confirme your comment, no one believe because is true, because is tradition, some believe is true because was suffered by brainwashing from leaders demoniacs criminals.
☕️🍰 Facts, and in my channel the Vatican say about this for confirme your comment, no one believe because is true, because is tradition, some believe is true because was suffered by brainwashing from leaders demoniacs criminals.
☕️🍰 Facts, and in my channel the Vatican say about this for confirme your comment, no one believe because is true, because is tradition, some believe is true because was suffered by brainwashing from leaders demoniacs criminals.
I was a christian throughtout my childhood. Listening to child friendly teachings.
It took reading the Bible fully, with adult eyes and reasoning. To turn me into an Athiest.
only thing more disturbing then ignorant theists supporting their religion ...is the fundamentalist ones that instead of going ''waaaaaaaait a minute!'' when reading a decrepit book of holy degeneracy with adult eyes , starts excuse what it says or have their brain shut down in cognitive dissonance :(
considering the world situation with all the super nations and climate keeping ''boiling like slow frog cooking'' seeing how the reality denying population in the states is large enough to risk putting the nations resources in the hands of the orange front figure puppet and by extension its 'associates' truely makes one groan
@@JimCastleberryno evidence for the Christian god outside the bible, Daft one.
@@JimCastleberry "god ya idiot. Christians believe in God, not a god. "
No, idiots are the type of childish morons that think arguing with playground logic that a capital "G" is special as opposed to a "g". F**k, child that's playground level arguing.
Especially, as your God is by definition a god.
@@JimCastleberry So you still think your god isn't a god?
If you name your dog, "Dog", is he no longer a dog?
@@JimCastleberrylol the Christian god is a god by definition.
Your argument form semantics is dismissed as coming from an ignoramus.
Comes to claim "The Bible Is The Infallible Word Of God", hasn't read his book.
Along with the vast majority of believers
I’m afraid to have the slavery talk with people that I know because I’m afraid of their answers.
This exactly.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
- Voltaire
My own mother (a black woman) gave me the "it's not the same as American slavery" I don't why I was shocked. She's the same person who also doesn't understand why anyone would question why god allows children to starve.
@IRGeamer Voltaire should know, he got rich selling ammunition to any cause that would pay him. Then he seduced his sisters daughter-----oh yeah, there is a man to be admired.
I have had the slavery conversations with people I know and was already perplexed by their answers.
“If god said it was good back then then it was good”, “not the same kind of slavery”.
That’s a hard one. I’m afraid of people like him. He can literally harm me and say his book allowed him
“How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!”
- Mark Twain
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
- Voltaire
@@dooger84 yes, he was scary stupid.
I grew up with Norse Mythology, as I am a Norseman, and the Pros Edda clearly states that Odin and his brothers created the world from the body of a giant Jotunn. Therefore any religion that claims the world was created in a different way are all false, cuz my book is right and all others are fake. Sure that is how this works.
Loved the horrible histories books when I was younger. They taught me the Norse creation story. It's pretty badass
Well Norse mythology can't hold a candle to Christianity.
Does your Norse mythology have a way to justify slavery??? Or can you use your Norse mythology to justify any of your personal bigotry? Christianity is superior in this account and why so many bigots are Christians.
guess I'm not an atheist anymore, praise Odin, the All-Father
At a minimum, if there was one God, one religion, wouldn't every culture in every part of the earth, throughout time, all have the same book and share the same beliefs? All these books and beliefs can't all be right, but they certainly can all be wrong.
In biblical times ignorance and superstition was the norm, now with education and scientific knowledge to guide us to the truth, ignorance and superstition are a choice.
The being ok with slavery stuff will never not be disturbing.
Sounds like a loyal fan of Jefferson Davis . . . Robert E. Lee . . . Stonewall Jackson . . . Nathan Bedford Forrest . . . Muhammud . . .
The religious are ALREADY slaves to their beliefs. And seeing how the Christian God is quite similar to George Dubya Bush in arrogance without intelligence, God is GOP. NOT vice versa.
@@WolfgangBrozart yes but tell tap dance around it!!
I studied Harry Potter, therefore...
Which version?
Well Harry did fulfil a prothicy and also died then was resurrected
Well Harry did fulfil a prothicy and also died then was resurrected
@@qwadratix the Sorcerer’s Stone
At least, unlike the gospels, we know who wrote it
if jebus was god why did he ask himself why he had forsaken himself ?
He was still hungover for the previous night's party.
I never could figure out why Jesus would pray to himself
Schizophrenia?
@KitPhuket-ix1en possibly, or it's nothing more than a story ?
@@IamValak-j9e that was a joke , of course everything in the Bible is just a stupid story
As soon as aomeone pivots from trying to defend the Bible on slavery to "How doee an atheist know that slavery is wrong, anyway?", they have given up on trying to defend Biblical morals.
Bible didn't cause slavery, Bible didn't request slavery Bible didn't demand slavery. The Bible was a road map to end slavery.
First with Mercy through Judaism and then finally ending slavery throughout the world with christianity. Although some might define what's going on in places like atheist humanist China and atheist humanist China as modern day slavery.
@Repulsive The Bible provides INSTRUCTIONS on how to buy and own slaves! Was that God speaking. you reckon?
@@amtlpaul the Bible gave rules to the Jewish people who just got out of slavery themselves by the pagans.. and these were rules that showed mercy finally through Christianity ending slavery throughout the world.
The end of slavery was a Christian movement.
Although some would define what atheist humanists are doing to people in places like China and North Korea as modern day slavery.
It's horrible what is going on today with the atheist humanist pushing white supremacist atheist humanist Margaret Sangars negro plan committing genocide against 50% of all black children every day in America .
Atheist humanist believes this is justified because the atheist humanist believes the end justify the means and they believe and do as thou Wilt.
Humanist have no sense of morals.
@@HumanismIsRepulsive Imagine having a name like HUMANISM is repulsive and thinking you're the moral one. The bible gives instructions on how to buy slaves and how much you can beat them, and even gives tips to get around loopholes in order to keep your indentured servants. Are you a christian nationalist?
@@HumanismIsRepulsiveRepulsive. Good lord, ur a material guy living in a material world. The bible is a road map to end slavery? Even you have got to be kidding
The caller is wrong. Crucifixion was invented by the Persians between 300-400 B.C.
I mean, he's wrong about _SO MUCH_ that this seems more like a sidebar than the meat of the subject wherein he's clearly disinformed. But that doesn't mean I'm disputing your assertion.
Crucifixion was invented by God because of his plan to send Jesus into the world to be crucified for our sins. Unless of course you don't believe that this was actually God's plan.... and that he saw the Persians and Romans crucify someone and suddenly thought..."Well there is a grand idea!!!!"...
@@marjorieanderson8626 And your evidence to support that claim is...???
@@marjorieanderson8626 Eh, wouldn't be the first time Yahweh plagiarized someone.
Yahweh: [reading the "Epic of Gilgamesh"] ...Hmm... global flood...
It was probably the Chinese, they invented just about everything else not all of it good.
it is amazing that to the caller's distorted psyche the reading of 'buying', 'servants', 'teeth', 'eye' etc. did not trigger revulsion but he sprang to defend his 'word of god' with pathetic laughable excuses and slowly, all by himself, not only admitted the very point but supported it as moral. destroyed by religion.
The caller was incorrect in his statement of the first use of crucifixion as a method of capitol punishment. It originated in Assyria and/or Babylon in the 6th century BCE. So it was in use four and a half centuries before his date of 150 BCE. I find when people start off by misrepresenting the evidence, the rest of their argument usually goes badly.
To follow religion, you are not allowed to think for yourself.
Religion is excellent at making adults act like children.
Religion is legalized insanity.
If the book is called Matthew, it must have written by Matthew!
Also
If the book is called Frankenstein, it must have been written by Victor Frankenstein!
Why not the monster?
@@paulspace4046Because then the title had to be "Frankenstein's monster".
And if i find an unnamed book on the floor and name it "bob's gospel" it's automatically written by bob
Even if we attribute the gospels to their namesakes, it's not like we know anything about these authors outside the gospels themselves.
Listen guys, God didn’t say “Everyone should own slaves”, he just gave a load of conditions, loopholes, told you where to get them, what rules you need to obey if they’re Jewish or gentile, and explicitly states that slaves are your ‘money’, and sent his son down who told slaves to obey their masters.
He’s totally against slavery, he just didn’t say it out loud.
Or he could just have said. "Its not ok to own slaves". But he didn't. The bible unsurprisingly simply reflects the morality of the time it was authored - i.e. its nothing special.
why are you using a demonic sigil - you are clearly into strange shit.
You don’t need to apologize or clarify or justify a perfect divinity. If a perfect divinity isn’t perfect, it isn’t a perfect divinity. Just ask Zeus.
I feel like people didn’t pick up on the sarcasm
@@aidanabregov1412 NICE SIGIL, I SEE YOU PICKED A SIDE.
"Here's the recipe for a blueberry cupcake"
"Oh nice! I'll start baking a batch right awa-"
"Now now hold on. I didn't say you had the right to bake them. I just gave you the recipe"
"The bible doesn't condone slavery"
"Go and take slaves from the nations around you"
"Well, it doesn't say you HAVE to"
Keep the virgin girls for yourselves.....
Ok, so it says you can own slaves, it says you can buy and own people, and it tells some people to go do it.... But .... Um.... I have no idea how to defend that, I'd be a rubbish apologist.
There are records of the Persians crucifying people long before 150 BCE. Possibly in the 6th century BCE. Herodotos reports the Athenians crucifying a captured Persian general in the 5th century BCE. This guy is starting from a flawed premise.
Exactly!
He also acts as though only one person in all that time had their hands and feet pierced
Christians: We have objective morality because god, and atheists can't say anying is immoral.
Atheists: Slavery is immoral.
Christian caller: Slavery is not necessarily immoral.
🤦♂🤦♂
So the Daft one is here with yet another strawman.
It's funny since he can't articulate exactly what his moral system is or how it works.
@@JimCastleberry Tell me where I did that? Between the two of us, only I understand objective morality. What you have is Divine Command Theory that you pretend is objective. And that's why you won't directly talk to me, because you are afraid to have this discussion.
You will LITERALLY commit all these acts, not just call them immoral, if your god commands you to do it.
Amazing to watch you pretend that you have ANY morality and lie and invert the facts upside down to project your immorality on others.
@@joshsheridan9511 JEdith's morality is just his feeling that he calls his moral intuition. And he will claim that his moral intuition is "objective" because he will pretend that his intuition is coming from his god.
And what I just said here is more than HE is able to describe about his morality. He can only get to, "there's an objective morality". It's like equating "we can go to the moon" with all the work and science needed to actually get to the moon.
If Damonkey was capabable of reading this far, he'll call this a diatribe. Because if it's too hard for his widdle head, it must be a diatribe.
@@JimCastleberry "You claim slavery, child grape and murder is morally justifiable"
Prove he claimed that....
"Amazing to watch you atheists lie"
Feck off, YOU ARE THE PROVEN LIAR.
You are hypocrite and troll...
@@JimCastleberry "not objective moral evils"
Speaking of morals...
YOU are LIAR
YOU pretend to be a woman/women Edith...
YOU commit the sin of vanity...
YOU accuse others so that's bearing false witness....
So feck off with your BS postings.
The first known case of crucifixion dates back to ancient times, specifically to the 6th century BCE. It was a method of execution practiced by several ancient civilizations, including the Persians, Carthaginians, and Romans. The earliest recorded use of crucifixion as a form of punishment was by the Persians around 519 BCE. The practice was later adopted and refined by the Romans, becoming particularly infamous during the Roman Empire's rule. It was primarily used for slaves, criminals, and enemies of the state.
Conspicuous absence of extra Biblical attestation! You can tell that he hasn't read anything else. He did manage to convince me that he is convinced.
Caller is claiming an inspiration is infallible...you can't make this shit up.
Yes you can make this shit up - and they did, and called it the Bible
Of COURSE you can! THEY did, every one of them.
The Bible, is essentially the only source for all the stories of your God.
It's just amazing that it's a a sheep loving book with over 500 references to sheep, flocks, lambs, shepherds and such was ONLY brought to a bunch of illiterate sheep herding superstitious people in the middle east. The only reference to sheep it missed is a recipe for mint sauce. The bible somehow never appeared anywhere else in the world, despite there being other civilizations, tribes and people's everywhere...
So the bible was given to these people that just happened to grow up in the same middle east that was home to older myths that oddly tell older versions of the same tales just slightly different from the Hebrew versions.
Speaking of versions, the "V" in "KJV" stands for "version" as in it's DIFFERENT! So apparently the infallible word of God was redefined many times by people with an agenda to change it in their interests... And that's apart from societal and language changes
The Bible is a collection of borrowed stories and events that did not happen...
Genesis, was copied from the Egyptians..
It has errors, daytime is from sunrise to sunset, yet the sun was created on the 4th day?
Light created before the source of the light?
Jesus with a halo around his head was copied from the Egyptian Ankh symbol...
Noah's flood came from an older Sumerian myth and clearly could not and did not happen...
The story of Jesus was partly taken from other religions. Each of them, Norse, Egyptian, Sumerian, Greek, the Bible, all have a God coming to impregnate a human woman to create a demi-god.
Exodus didn't happen... It would have you believe that they escaped Egypt to go to Canaan, which was a province of Egypt at the time... and got lost for 40 years following the coast on a journey that I could walk in a week... and no one in Egypt documented the story.
There is nothing in the bible that was not knowledge to the people of that time.
No traveler ever went to another country outside the middle east and found them already worshiping the Bible God and already reading the Bible there.
Points beyond excellence. Thanx.
When you're opening comment is "I believe in the Bible", the conversation can only go downhill
Poor Tim.." oh the tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive". His attempts to explain biblical slavery were painful to listen to. If, when he goes to work he is a slave, join a Union.
When you consider when the Bible was written those alleged prophecies were written after the fact. 😮😮😮😮
13:36 "That law doesn't apply to us today." RIGHT! . . . And so, neither do John 3:16, John 14:6, 1 John 4:14 . . . Or are cherries his favorite fruit?
A fine example of how religion can turn nice people into moral monsters.
When was crucifiction invented? Like is he sure about the 150 BC (One quick search says 300-400 BC in Persia, but that still means that was just first use that we know of.
The psalm makes no reference to crucifixion and when read in context clearly has nothing to do with it. But, if you read it out of context it can be subjectively interpreted to sound like crucifixion. This is how “prophecy” in the Bible “works”.
Yep. Judaism reads it the right way.
"I know you have a short time. I'm trying to respect it." **Proceeds to beat around the bush**
First it’s “slavery is wrong & the Bible doesn’t endorse slavery!”
Then two minutes later, it’s “well, slavery doesn’t have to be immoral & if god says it’s ok, then I’m ok with it.”
Actually crucifixion invented at least 400b ce but then I be only got a degree in classics
Never mind all the other inaccuracies and nonsense elsewhere in the Bible, the gospels contradict each other on Jesus’ last words. “Infallible”? I think not.
My 86 year old, Christian MIL once told me she’d have a mansion in heaven. I asked her why she’d want a mansion when she didn’t like cleaning the house she has. Her response was, “I won’t have to clean it. I’ll have people to do it for me. That’s why blacks go to heaven”. I asked her why in the hell she thought that and she said that’s what her church told them. So, they all believed it and “getting to own slaves was another incentive for going to heaven”.
I’d love to know how many Christians out of the billions believe that as well. I know she’s not the only one.
That's just bizarre
@@Temulon It’s outrageous! And when I told other Christians what she said they would not confirm nor deny that they felt the same way. I believe that is what a LOT of them believe, but they won’t admit it they will lie because they are afraid to because the Bible says they can have slaves, where ti buy them and how to treat them.
@@Kellie08 Even if that were true, Don't Christians constantly say that the Old Testament no longer applies? Which is where the laws regarding slaves were written. Can you imagine that there actually is an afterlife, and your place in it is to be a servant until the end of time?
Thanks Jesus!
@@Temulon Yeah. They constantly say the Old Testament doesn’t apply anymore, but they only mean it doesn’t apply to them. It sure as hell applies when they find out someone is gay. Then they are more than happy to beat you down with the OT rules that only applied to Levitical priests in the first place. Those rules NEVER applied to regular people and the original text said they couldn’t “lay with children”. King James the p3do changed it so they could still “lay with children”. It’s so disgusting that they have been all been graping kids since the beginning of time and still are. I still can’t figure out how broken your moral compass has to be in order to align yourself with a God that allows it.
Slavery was condoned by Jesus as well. Both of these examples are Jesus speaking.
Ephesians 6:5-9
New International Version
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
AND
Luke 17:5-10
New International Version
5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!”
6 He replied, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you.
7 “Suppose one of you has a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Will he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, ‘Come along now and sit down to eat’? 8 Won’t he rather say, ‘Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink’? 9 Will he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? 10 So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’”
You will not find one sentence in the Bible that says. “DO NOT OWN PEOPLE AS PROPERTY.” But, it lists hundreds of things you can’t do. Here are some that were so important they had to be listed.
Don’t sit where a menstruating woman sat.
Don't wear cloth made of wool and linen.
Don’t kill a burglar during the day.
Don’t eat shellfish.
This is a good one. The Lord said to Moses, 17“Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 22He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.’ ”
God creates people with physical defects and disabilities the HE discriminates against them. At least he let them eat. That’s the part that makes him so loving.
Psalm 22:12-18 does not describe a crucifixion. Psalm 22 describes a warrior surrounded on the ground by his enemies. There is nothing to suggest that the man is in any way lifted up to be killed. Nothing to suggest that it's a prophecy as everyone who's not a Christian knows.
He should've said "it's ok when I'm the owner"
I went to a school that had the bible as a subject and I remember the teacher just focused on the verses and chapters he wanted us to learn and focus on. I did not know about slavery in the Bible until I stumbled upon Derek mythvision.
Hey Tim, is the mustard seed the smallest seed? No? Jesus said it was but that's wrong 🤔 what's going on there?...and that's one of many 😂 Infallible my ass!
He was wrong about everything including his killer opening point regarding the date of the first crucifixion.
Nah, the bible is the book of boring 😴
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If we could see Tim tap dancing, it would be quite the show.
Tim’s stammering is quite telling as he tries to come up with excuses to support his immoral book.
Tim tried to appear reasonable when he first came on and then became more unhinged when pressed for answers. He ended up stammering and talking gibberish.
People like this caller don't ever seem to understand that reading the bible, what does it mean anything to us because we're not questioning what the Bible says. We are questioning if the Bible is true. We are questioning if what the bible says happened. You are quoting the Bible already presuming that what the Bible says is true but you haven't gotten to that step. You would have to demonstrate that God exists then you would have to Dem demonstrate that the Bible is accurate then once you've done that you can start quoting the Bible and explaining what it means. But you can't assume that what the Bible says is true by reading the Bible
Crucifixion began around 519 BC. King Darius I of Persia used it against 3000 political enemies.
Crucifixion has been around since 300-400 bc via the Persians. And there’s no crucifixion iconography until after the 4th century ad.
crucifixion is way older
Except the Roman's put the spikes they the wrists, not the hands. The hands is only in the rennasaince art.
The earliest recorded crucifixion may have been the death of Polycrates, the tyrant of Samos, in 522 BCE. The Persians crucified Polycrates' body after he died.
This man would make a really good bad pastor
He sounds like he would disagree with you. He'd be wrong, again, but he sounds like he thinks highly of himself.
I invented sprunkle, and wrote the story of my savior dying from sprunkle torture. Just last Thursday morning, shortly after I created everything. Therefore my mythology is the really real one. Sorry Tim -- your rules. You lose.
0:31 i wonder why hed credit such demonstrably false writings to his god
"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46, KJV).
"Have you ever heard of something so utterly nonsensical, so mindless to both logic and reason, as a God crying out to himself wondering why he has been forsaken, by himself?' Pathetic.
“I’ve studied the Bible”
“Who wrote the Gospels”
“Matthew Mark Luke and John”
😂😂😂😂
Perfect! No copy editor needed here.
I asked dr. Becky astrophysicist,and she says there has never been a scientific paper that ends with :this shows the hand of a creator or a god : .you were right as usual .
It's so laughable when theists say that science supports their view. And when they say science, they mean, "look trees".
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs Look at the trees is the root of all logical fallacies....
@@jonclark8252 Whenever a bible babbler tells me that just because you can't see g0d doesn't mean g0d doesn't exist because you can't see air and air exists, I always say "just look at the trees!"
@@holgerlubotzki3469 The problem is that once they say "look at the trees" they usually branch out into other fallacies...
How was there even a word for something 1000 years before that thing existed? I mean maybe we theorize a mathematical truth or a particle but a torture method?
The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66-70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85-90, and John AD 90-110. Despite the traditional ascriptions, most scholars hold that all four are anonymous and most scholars agree that none were written by eyewitnesses.
The one thing that bothers me about this show is that there are so many clear contradictions in the Bible, but whenever someone calls in and claims that the Bible is infallible the hosts never point out any of the contractions. That would seem like the quickest way to debunk their claims.
No to the believer.
@@thesoundsmith Fair enough. When somebody believes something by faith rather than logic they can harmonize almost any contradiction if they work hard enough at it. It’s sad.
How can you argue about this book which, if you have a really old one, in my opinion is simply just a good standby for toilet paper if you are running short of the original paper.
At one time in my teens, as a typically "rebellious" brat who thrived on what I thot was "shock" value, I thot I'd be blasphemous and literally wipe my ass with bible pages. Trust me, it is _NOT_ good for that!! It's _very_ uncomfortable.
In Crucifixion the victim was tied to the cross, not nailed,
I'm sorry not. 150BCE wasn't the first recorded crucifixion as Alexander the great used it as punishment to thousands in persia during the 4th century BCE, and Alexander wasn't the first as the Babylonians used it 2 centuries before that. Jesus wasn't even an idea when Alexander was putting people on crosses. The Persian and Babylonians had crucified each other 700 years before 150BCE. Who told this guy nailing people to a cross was made in 150bce as it was easier to make a cross stick straight up than other ways of hanging people to be ended by exposure.
So why that psalm? The one where it asked about being forsaken? Did he quote that particular psalm be cause he felt he had been abandoned? He could of quoted something from the 23rd psalm for example. "Yay though I walk through the valley of death I shall fear no evil" or "my soul he doth restore again". Instead why some quote about being forsaken?
I rarely get through a full video as my patience is much short than you guys.
Please ask callers to explain Acts 5. The loving God striking down those who do not give all they own to the new church.
they can see the mythology in every other civilizations and their Gods but they think israelite mythology is true despite not being able to prove most of the stories.
And they weren't books they were scrolls. Pieced together. That there is more than one "version" of the Bible was one straw in my cognitive dissonance that finally led to freeing myself of the myth.
I miss these side by side in person format. 2 hosts in the same room less delays except for the callers.
Theist: "The bible is the word of god."
Skeptic: "How do you know that?"
Theist: "The bible tells us so."
Skeptic: "Why believe the bible?"
Theist: "The bible is infallible."
Skeptic: "How you know that?"
Theist: "The bible is the word of god."
Eureka!!!
Christianity noob here. I tried looking it up on the internet but I would an actual person to help me understand something: Exodus being in the old testament, how comes christians still take it at face value? Isn't the new testament supposed to override and correct the old one? How much of the old testament is true in the eye of today's Christians?
Thanks
Just...wow. I've said it already, but I'll say it again: coming from an overwhelmingly atheist country, this subject was never a conversation topic, while I grew up. It's first now, that I learn, how bad our current situation is.
I also come from a more or less secular country.....where atheism is the default. It wasn't untill I more or less accidentally started listening to this and similar channels that I understood how backwards the usa really is with regards to religion, it is shocking in fact...but at times callers are so batshit crazy and uneducated that one cannot keep from laughing
@@hakonberg8003yeah...it's fair to say I'm following these mainly for the comedic effect, but ppl like this make me kinda worried.
6:36 typical christian "biblical scholar"
3:35, good job Cesar
Tim's show is pretty engaging.
note: crucifixion was used by the Persians in the 6th century bc, then picked up by the Romans.
Trying to find morality in the Bible is like trying to sort rooster loop from chicken poop.
The idea that the Bible is infallible is one of the biggest conclusions ever jumped to. 😂
Pretzel anyone??
I prophesized that was what he was going to be his argument when he brought up the psalm. I must be god!
"He that stealeth a man and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death" (Exodus 21:16)
But...."Thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13)
The thou shalt not kill tends to be used towards murder and not killing, period. Of course, this depends on denomination, but in general its in the legal sense.
@@shanewilson7994
If I put to death a man who stole a man, is that murder ?
@@shanewilson7994
I suppose "thou shalt not kill" is a bit vague.
Luckily we have very skilled people who can discern what he meant.
I suppose "love your enemies" also requires careful interpretation.
Been a long time watcher of this show. I conclude, there are humans, and then there are christians
Things are no better today!!
In order for there to be a slave law there must be a slave law giver.
Who do we suppose gave the writers of the books in the bible The laws surrounding the owning of human beings as property?
Double think with this guy.
Herodotus mentions crucifixion in 522 BCE....
superstition - noun
1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
Merriam-Webster
Some people are just fucked up by religion. 🤦🏽
Caller : I studied the bible ... Also caller when asked if slavery is immoral so why the bible advocate it ? Answered with the bible didn't... Yet at the end he said the bible did advocate it & if god ok with slavery so am I .... You can watch the video where he literally contradict himself & his morals just to prove a sh!ty man in the sky
Caller - "Ive got no-where else to go so I'll eat my own face".
There’s no immorality like Christian love.
"I'm a slave at work."
I hope this dunderhead's boss is listening.
They just. Don't. Listen. And I'm pretty sure it's because they don't want to listen.
No amount of believe will ever make a fact
I am no scholar, and my questions may sound silly to you. but I do listen to this channel, and these thoughts prompted me to ask.
Slavery at that time was as that environment. Today, we are slaves in a dignified way.
Every employee is property or slaves of the employer, and we do have a guideline of how we should perform. Give to Ceaser what is Ceaser's...
I will want to say the Bible is a guideline of how all people should live. There are signs parables sermons and way of living esp in the new testament ...etc.
If as stated, there is no God, the bible is just another book, whose writings or authors unknown, what purpose should we place on our own lives? Now, those who believe in God live with hope, with purpose. If not, why do we have to live good lives and choose right over wrong, we can live our own lives as we choose as we are not accountable. Hence, the uprising of gay marriages, euthanasia, racial disharmony, random shootings ... etc. How does life balance itself?
which Caesar impaled Xtians?
Some people just believe what they want to believe and try to cherry pick or try and figure out information to back up their belief
Crusifiction was used by the Persians pre 400 bce.
Didn't Tim say that he was owned by the person he works for? In other words, he's a wage slave? Or did I hear that wrong?
Who is better? The society that protects Animals or a Bible God that wanted Animals to be Sacrificed to Him? Oh, how was this book God watching His Favorite So-called Bible Hero Samson tying wood on 300 FOXES tail and burnt them? I can give more details of sorrowful animals in Bible stories😢