Matt, idk if you'll read this. But YOU specifically impacted me in a way unlike most anyone else. THANK YOU for opening my eyes to skepticism. You ARE NOT wasting your time and those of us who've changed our minds thanks to your arguments and explanations are grateful for it.
I've always found it remarkable that the least religious places on Earth are Western and Northern European countries with official state churches. One has to wonder if giving everyone a mostly unqualified right to believe in any God (or none at all) is actually "better" than legally mandating everyone or most of everyone to be part of the "official church" or "state religion."
@6:00 If these Christo-fascists are fine with pharmacists refusing to fill birth control prescriptions on "moral" grounds, then every teacher should be able to refuse to have a bible/teach it in their classes for the same reasons.
Does that mean that teachers are not allowed to be pacifists? Pacifists are not gun owners in general so having a gun in the classroom is against their beliefs. So should they be fired? Should atheists be fired also. These so called gun loving christians love to discriminate against anyone who does not subscribe to their BS dogma.
I prefer malicious compliance. Don’t change the content of any lesson, but rename the subject from math to “How best to stone a person to ((conclusion))” - conclusion being a 5 letter word beginning with D and ending in eath that Google doesn’t like me saying and Geography to “((Houseguests who can’t leave and have to serve you)) are your right to own”
They want everything their way, regardless of whether or not it results in hypocrisy, which their pretend god character must love since they ALL love their hypocrisy. Same goes for lying (punishable by DEATH, supposedly), which they also boldly do, ESPECIALLY when it is to prop up their make-believe god character.
What amazes me also…Lots of Louisianians were extremely vocal about being “forced” to take the covid vaccine. Apparently public safety is something they’re against while religious indoctrination isn’t.
Its disgusting how little respect these conservative christians have for the billions of people around them. It's unfortunate that they constantly force their antiquated and often harmful ideology on everyone else.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights are little more than suggestions at this point. In Ghost's song "Kaisarion" part of the lyrics are "It is the noise of the righteous dogma that hides the handmaid's tale". So true, and the song is about the fall of an empire.
@@RandomStuff-i4i Private companies can do what they want and those who work there have a choice to be there. We are talking about the state mandating this display in facilities paid for with taxpayer funds. This is a direct violation of the 1st Amendment.
@@christopherconkright1317 true. Abrahamic impotent Gods egos require many believers eager hands for the warm up until becoming ready to blast to high heaven.
If you do, your kids will be better educated, not indoctrinated with religious myths, probably speak several languages and be much more informed about the world. Kudos.
Not useless. Certain people view them as weapons to be used against their enemies, though, not as laws intended to serve the public interest. They read the Constitution much the same way as they read their Bibles--cherry pick the parts you need and twist it as much as you need to affirm what you want to be true, discount or make excuses for the rest.
Exactly. Do a comparison of ancient Near Eastern religions and literature to see where the Israelites borrowed some of their ideas from and see if people still think the Bible is the "word of God". --------------------------------------------------------- *The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* ("The Sumerians were the people of southern Mesopotamia whose civilization flourished between c. 4100-1750 BCE." "Ancient Israelites and their origins date back to 1800-1200 BCE.") *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Hammurabi - World History Encyclopedia"* (Hammurabi (r. 1792-1750 BCE) was the sixth king of the Amorite First Dynasty of Babylon best known for his famous law code which served as the model for others, *including the Mosaic Law of the Bible.)* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
I’m in Louisiana. What’s wrong with it? Might be easier to list what isn’t wrong. Last gubernatorial debate brought up “inclusiveness” in schools & such but when answering how they would handle pronouns & things like that, they immediately jumped to “chopping body parts off of children”. These people don’t even know the topics they’re making/denying laws about…
If they had tried this 30 years ago when I was in high school, the students would have revolted, protested and walked out. Don't today's kids have a say in their own education any more?
They really don't. One could say they never have because that's not what our "education" system is or has ever been about. The aim of compulsory public education has always been creating the next generation of good little worker bees, and you can't have that by fostering a genuine spirit of inquiry because inquiry leads to skepticism, skepticism leads to questioning authority, and we all know what questioning authority leads to. So, it's in the public education system's best interest to give the most surface-level knowledge of core subject areas, especially history and literature, so that people are _just_ educated _enough_ to know how to file tax returns or negotiate contracts and sign legally-binding documents or vote in elections but _not_ to ask those questions all parents hate, i.e., "Why?" and "How?"
I think today's kids have grown up learning how to "tune out" things like forced ads, ignorant classmates, etc better than we ever did. So they honestly may not even notice enough to care🤷🏻♂️
50 years ago the 10 commandments were in every school , we prayed every morning , said the Pledge of Allegiance and sang the national anthem every morning
@@uninspired3583 Yes , God has not left us ( His people ) in darkness as others are in darkness Colossians 1:15 God has redeemed us from the domain of darkness and brought us into the Kingdom of his dear Son Jesus Christ " God loves you, turn to Jesus , Shalom
The Statanic Temple is effective so long as courts aren't willing to go as far as to favor one religion over another. Do we really think that's a given anymore? I sure don't.
A big part of the cause of these problems is that in the US, you have popular elections for positions that should be filled through merit, which means that you end up with the best politician for the job rather than the best person for the job.
That isn’t democratic i thought you atheists supported democracy or are you doing the other type of atheist society like china or the soviet union eill se how big you k/d ratio is
I lived a few miles from OK, during grad school. I learned a lot about bigotry, religious fundamentalism, and anti-science politics via that experience, dealing with the humans and policies that exist there (and TX was not much better)
There's one of the first treaties the US ever signed between ourselves and Tripoli that clearly stated the US was in no way, shape, or form a Christian nation. That was around 1797. But with the "red scare" in the 1950's that started to erode when they crammed "under God" into the Pledge and forcing "In God We Trust" on the coins.
Because the United States was founded by people who were already implicitly and explicity Christian - just about everybody in 1809, probably.......'>......
Additional. When he intimates that Louisianna might actually win, thanks to the supreme court, I was reminded of that futurama episode: "Yeah, well I know a place where the constitution doesn't mean squat!!!" - the camera then cuts to a scene outside the supreme court. Maybe some religious nutcases in Louisianna watched that episode and took it to heart?
In England in the 1960s I had the option to take a ‘religious studies’ class in High School which covered the different religions in the world. This in a country where the monarch is the head of the CofE. They also taught Evolution in Biology class as fact, as there is no evidence based alternative!
"Madison said nice things about the 10 commandments.." And Jefferson (actually) said good things about Islam , so we better get the Quran in our classrooms now.
One of my favorite classes in Catholic High School was "Religions of the World" and that class was fascinating. I learned about different beliefs and there was no judgement in that class - only knowledge of, and acceptance of people's differences. By the time I was in high school my father and mother stopped going to church regularly (at that time it was Easter and Christmas only). I never felt pressure or religious indoctrination in my Catholic High School (I don't believe I ever took any or it that seriously). I would hate to have felt pressured to conform to any one religion, if at all. My biology teacher allowed a couple of buddies and me to make moonshine in the back of the classroom as "an experiment". We even came in after hours and weekends to work on that project. We finally got a kid to 'test' some of the resulting 'product' by paying him a couple of bucks... He got inebriated, then sick and went home. It did take us some time to clear out all the equipment when we were finished with the month-long project (55-gallon drums, copper tubing, industrial burners, grinders, etc.). Now that I think of it, we did seem well-funded (private high school?). During a parent-teacher conference my biology teacher (Mr. Sark? Sarff?) quipped with my mom that "we may all end up in jail from your son's experiment". (Gladly we all stayed out as it was "for educational purposes only" - and no one squealed).
For a political party that is so obsessed with the 10 Commandments, why are these same people supporting a man who proudly admits he has broken at LEAST 9 of the 10 Commandments?
Trump? Trump isn't a Christian. I think it's weird that evangelicals treat him like a prophet, but it wouldn't be right to hold that against him. Between Trump and Harris, I'll take Donald Trump.
The Ten Commandments are not Christian commandments they are Jewish commandments. I think it says in the New Testament that there was just one commandment. If the bible were studied it would be found that Christianity would have gone nowhere without the apostle Paul. He was an educated Greek and knew all about Epicurus and took those teachings to literally re-write Christianity incorporating those ideas into the Pauline Gospels.
America is on its downward spiral. Even though I was born and raised here, I cannot say that I view most Americans as decent people. From all along the political spectrum.
Sadly, the Bible’s used in the Oklahoma classrooms, will be treated like the Bible in churches. The inconvenient parts will not be taught. I’d start in Deut 22 and Leviticus 20 … this could produce a new generation of atheists
As a resident of Oklahoma i think the main issue is that people actively avoid any topic that is political. We are not taught when and how to vote and it seems like the majority of people dont vote at all. Ill admit i should have learned or taught myself a long time ago but i didnt end up voting until i was 25 and even then every person i would talk to had no clue how to vote. I always thought this was normal. People are too scared to polarize and to be cancelled. While Republicans repeatedly cried about cancel culture they certainly play into it more often then not.
They only need to know how to use irs forms if they have an income. Based on the quality of education in these states, they shouldn't have to bother with those.
@@uninspired3583 There's plenty of low level jobs ready for uneducated highschool kids to begin working. Many jobs don't require much more than just paying attention to what's going on with the task at hand.
@@uninspired3583 It been a long time since I've been in a McDonald's so I didn't realize the McRobots are cooking up and serving the happy meals these days. Times are changing so quickly...
I love how Oklahoma and Louisiana are so determined to break the second commandment by posting the Ten Commandments everywhere. It almost sounds like something I would do to blaspheme the Abrahamic god.
@@eeroraute281 if you want to quote the bible in context, you need to talk about all the cultures and mythologies it borrows from, like gilgamesh, Shamhat, Pandora, and Plato's metaphysics. We need to talk about the known forgeries as in the book of daniel, the later additions like the woman at the well. And we need to talk about the cultural context of things like misogyny, slavery, and both human and animal sacrifice. We need to talk about how the cannon was chosen, and why the book of Enoch or the book of Thomas were excluded. "Context" doesn't get you to inspired and inerant word of God.
No biblical scholar or historian believes that genesis copied from greek mythology there are flood myths in america did they also copy from gilgemesh china too Also there isn’t one gospel of thomas there are several texts claiming to be the gospel of thomas it isn’t canonical because it wasn’t written by the apostle thomas and was at the time known for being a gnostic forgery Enoch is canon the idea that it isn’t is protestant
It's not just teenagers though. It could very easily be used to traumatize young kids. Just imagine what the parents would think when their 1st/2nd grader comes home asking about Isaac or Jephthah's unnamed daughter (glossing over why she isn't named).
As a PhD mathematician and retired PSU mathematics professor, my first thought up seeing the requirement for ALL teachers to teach from the Bible... huh?? And the math teachers are supposed to teach what exactly?
Hi! Here's a comment from the many times the "happiest country in the world" Finland. We have a subject in schools called "religion". The kids learn about all the major religions in the world and how they differ from each other. Yes, we have a major church here and all the children who are not a member of this church get to skip these classes. BUT, all preaching and such is forbidden in our schools.
I found that bit at the start, where he says that 'Loisianna passed a law that failed to pass in Texas' to be VERY funny!! I guess, because I'm not American, I have some very definite ideas (which might not always be entirely accurate) about what American states are like.
My religion classes in high school (1980s) were teaching about religions not preaching them. Some students were excused from participating because they were Catholics. 🤦
I was a Catholic. We couldn't listen to non-Catholic or participate in other religions. We were taught that we belonged to the one true church. I was in a cult, and I didn't even know it.
James Madison spoke FOR SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE! He spoke of this specifically, stating that the separation kept both religion AND State more pure.
what makes me wonder is what's going to happen when they have to choose a form of the ten commandments to use - and half the Christian parents tell them they're wrong for different reasons. they can't even unify on a translation of their holy books.
7:35 I am 40 years old and started School in 1990. Already back then, religion was taught in a class called RL, short for "Religion og Livssyn" (Religion and life philosophies) where we learned equally (as far as possible) about every religion. And I am very gratefull for that Becquerel, even though I am an atheist, I like knowledge, and the first time I heard about Bahãˋí for instance, was in that class. The same with The differences and likenesses between Hindu and Sikh. I learned abot it in RL. Kids need to learn that there are a world outside The western Christian bubble with many different beliefs and life styles.
I think (a) teachers in those schools could also put up other religious posters, and (b) instead of arguing that it is unconstitutional in court, use the 43alley idea and get those arguing for the law to legally agree that the 10 Commandments are only the "Laws given by Yahweh to Moses", " Written on stone tablets", and "Referred to as the 10 Commandments in the bible", and then have to legally both post the version of the 10 Commandments that includes "Thou shalt not boil a baby goat in its mother's milk".
I don't find our political times particularly baffling or confusing... Just consequences with local flavor As a L leaning D of many years, it all started making more sense to me when I migrated leftwards of those positions, esp as the D party has continued their ever-rightwards drift these past 50 years
When the Handmaid’s Tale TV series for aired I started to watch it and stopped a few episodes in because it was too close to what could be a possible reality. I hate that years later we’re this much closer to it being real.
I always thought basic psychology, logical fallacies, biases and our constitutional rights should be part of the high school or even middle school education. So many people don't know what their rights are and are way too logically flawed to make good decisions. I think you missed an important point though, which is, a lot of this has to do with "pay back" for how they see teachers bringing an LGBT "agenda" into the classroom and they think it's a rational response.
Oh goodie, goodie teacher, can we study my favorite bible verse? Ezekiel chapter twenty-three paragraph twenty through twenty-two and can you tell us all about it, we all want to know.
Its because some religious sectors are seeing the growth of non-christians and freaking out about it. They think that they need to regain control as christians are heading to not be a majority anymore. The use of the conservative USSC fits nicely into their plan.
I grew up in both and the poor educational system and the infulence of religious leaders is too damned high. They are raised to be gullible and they are super gullible adults.
@11:42 I've been considering joining TST, mainly because it's hard for atheists and secular humanists to find community that's equivalent to religious ones. Not that i have any particular desires insofar as rituals are concerned, but being who i am can get very very lonely. If anyone here sees this and is a member of TST, I'd appreciate some information on it, also in regards to my area, Western NY.🤘🖖
There are no rituals. I joined when my kids were still in school (their public school started sending religious fliers home). Frankly it wasn’t worth actually joining-the location near me was so flaky/inactive that I gave up on trying to connect with the community after a year of trying.
Imagine if the main religions were revealed in classrooms and one of those religions spoke about how men should control women and then males began to think, "Wow, that sounds like the religion I need to belong to. No more women telling me what to do or not to do and no more telling how to act and how not to act."
Greetings from Louisiana! I'm not an Athiest, and I don't see much wrong with the commandments itself. However, the commandments should not be in schools any more than statues of Satan should be in parks. You are right about not being biased and accurate about the level of education here in Louisiana. At my university, a large percentage of students' writing, reading, and reasoning skills are indistinguishable from 5th-grade essays (I compared them). It's unfortunate how so much effort is being put into re-establishing religion in school while subjects vital to future success fall by the wayside.
The first commandment outlaws other religions and atheism, the next 3 commandments have nothing to do with morality, they just deal with religious practice. These are not universal truths that everyone could agree with. You don't see anything wrong with that?
There’s a reason why certain leaders are so anti-education and trying their hardest to strip away our education system. It seems plainly obvious. I don’t understand how so many people are happily going along with it.
Teaching comparative religion would backfire, because in places such as this the courses would be taught by evangelical Christians who would demonize other religions.
@michaelsommers2356 tell me you've never taken a comparative religions course without saying you've never taken one. Meanwhile, to show the additional absurdity of your post... should we also not teach evolution, history, math, chemistry and other topics? Aren't they also being taught by evangelical Christians?
For a lot of people, a comparative religions class or section is the one and only place growing up where they’ll see every major religion presented on equal footing. It CAN fail for exactly the reason you said, but that doesn’t mean it WILL fail. I don’t see how it could make things worse, but I can see how in some schools it wouldn’t make things better.
@@SansDeitymaths and chemistry may be taught reasonably by evangelicals, but history is already being twisted, and evolution is “just a theory” to be compared to creationism or “intelligent design”. I fear that the OP has valid concerns regarding the honesty that a comparative religion course would be taught considering the horror stories coming from schools currently.
you are asking people that really care a lot about what some dude said 2 THOUSAND years ago to stop lying about what some dude that lived 200 years ago said. Matt, i love you, but they are way too far gone for basic logic like that...
Due to problems at birth I grew up basically an atheist but back in the 70's we had to take RE lessons in the first 3 years of secondary school perhaps due to Mt RE teachers main subject being history we were taught the history of most of the more common religions and not any religious teachings. Those lessons just solidified my views on religion
I'm a big supported of mandating a comparative history of religion course! Taught in a secular manner without preference. Of course a plurality of the focus would have to be on the Catholic Church given it's own massive historical role, but it should be taught.
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.” - Isaac Asimov
*The Bible : **_"Lean not on your own understanding & trust in the Lord with all your heart"_** .* Translation : Stay ignorant & put your trust in the _men that "claim" to speak for God/Jesus._
I have family that teach in oklahoma. They are very conservative, I'm the black sheep being an atheist. They have all said they won't teach from the bible or any other religious text book because that's what church is for. Plus they absolutely hate the state superintendent.
The trouble with teaching comparative religion is that the teachers can spin their favorite religion to be the preferred or the best religion. Think of the hostility that, for example, mythicist children and teachers will get if they express their beliefs that Jesus never existed. I know when I was in grade school (in the 1960s), hostility against Mormons was way worse than it is today, and I was afraid (more like embarrassed) to let other children know I was a Mormon. Some of the children could freely talk about their religion, mostly Catholic, where I lived and partly because JFK was a Catholic. Parents can teach their children at home. When the children become adults, then I have no problem with comparative religion classes.
WHO decided WHICH translation of the 10 Commandments to use? The original Hebrew Jewish version, Septuagint, KJV, NRSV, etc.? Can we ask YHWH to give Louisiana (and the world) the definitive version? (RCC raised in NOLA).
From a Catholic perspective and speaking as an Oklahoman, the 10 commandments being required to be displayed in public schools in Louisiana is a clear violation of the First amendment. As far as bibles in schools are concerned, I don’t have a problem with teachers having one in their classroom for personal reasons. But being required to teach it in schools is something I don’t agree with and also violates the 1st amendment. If teachers want to have a personal bible in their classroom for their own sake then that should be their choice. But they should not be required to teach it. This is why I don’t like Ryan Walters. He’s continuing to push Christian nationalism and I’m against it.
As a fellow Oklahoman, how are these people getting elected? I’ve lived here my entire life so I get that, as a state, we’re very conservative but I never hear anyone say anything positive about Walters or Stitt. All I hear is people complaining and wanting them both out and not just from liberals. There was a big bipartisan campaign against both yet they both won with a good sized margin. I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist but it’s making me wonder if there’s something going on. Stitt’s election specifically stands out because, not only was there a lot of pushback against his re-election from liberals and many moderates, but also a lot of teachers and the tribes. Somehow he was able to take all but 3 counties, winning in a landslide in most. He only lost Tulsa Co. by 0.2% and even won in Cherokee Co. where half the population is Native. Maybe people aren’t turning out to vote or maybe I’m giving Oklahomans too much credit but it doesn’t make sense to me. I just don’t get it.
13:43 hospitals are there to keep working people healthy so they can keep working…this idea that there here because they care about people might be true but mainly to keep productivity up
I’m curious! Why is so much focus on the “TEN COMMANDMENTS”, when (if I’m remembering correctly) there are over FIFTY commandments (I may be wrong about the amount…but not by much)! So why do churches never mention or teach them?
I don't think people really care whether Madison actually said that. In the modern day, statements of fact are being used as rhetoric with little concern for whether they're actually true. Also, for any teachers who aren't on board with this, consider that actually reading the Bible and gaining a historical understanding of the Bible is how a lot of atheists were born. And "every" class should teach from it? How would a maths class teach from the Bible? Well, I guess you can teach that pi equals 3.
@@jwsanders1214 The values in the Bible for Solomon's sea are 10 cubits diameter and 30 cubits circumference - didn't you know that, or do you think that 30 divided by 10 equals pi? Spoiler alert, but it isn't. It equals 3, like I mentioned in my original comment. And I'm not saying there are precisely zero correct maths in the Bible. I'm saying it's a mythologised history book and cherry-picking whatever little maths you can find in there is going to be far inferior to having a book that is dedicated to just maths, for the purposes of education, and based on modern knowledge, and written by experts. You know, like we've been using in practically every maths class in the civilised world for quite a few years now.
@@SansDeity I think you misunderstood me. I meant in the same way that legislation for religious ideologies are being pushed to be taught in public schools (especially here in Texas), LGBT+/Trans ideologies are also being pushed.. (hence "This works both ways.").
The Founding Fathers on religion "It does me no injury if my neighbor claims there are twenty gods, or no god" - Thomas Jefferson "Lighthouses are more useful than churches" - Benjamin Franklin "I have ever regarded the freedom of religious opinions and worship as equally belonging to every sect" - James Madison "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" - John Adams "Question with boldness even the existance of a god" - Thomas Jefferson "The religious beliefs of none shall be abridges on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed" - James Madison "Government has no right to hurt a hair on then head of an atheist for his opinions. Let him have care of his opinions" - John Adams "Reliigious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise" - James Madison "As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensible duty of government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith" - Thomas Paine "May the children of the stock of Abraham [i.e. Jews], who dwell in this land, continute to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants; while everyone should sit under his own vine and fig tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid" - George Washington
Matt, idk if you'll read this. But YOU specifically impacted me in a way unlike most anyone else. THANK YOU for opening my eyes to skepticism. You ARE NOT wasting your time and those of us who've changed our minds thanks to your arguments and explanations are grateful for it.
I live in a country that doesn't have church state separation (U.K.) and somehow we are more secular than the USA.
I've always found it remarkable that the least religious places on Earth are Western and Northern European countries with official state churches. One has to wonder if giving everyone a mostly unqualified right to believe in any God (or none at all) is actually "better" than legally mandating everyone or most of everyone to be part of the "official church" or "state religion."
@@miro.georgiev97 The main reason is that religious wars have made up a good deal of European history.
Correlation is not causation
@@Nick-Nasti Correlation is not necessarily causation. You usually have to demonstrate a mechanism[s] that moves a system from state A to state B.
You don't have christian nazis trying to force everyone to adopt their religious beliefs.
@6:00 If these Christo-fascists are fine with pharmacists refusing to fill birth control prescriptions on "moral" grounds, then every teacher should be able to refuse to have a bible/teach it in their classes for the same reasons.
Why are you expecting consistency from these people?
Fasco-Christists.
I prefer that order at the moment.
Because they have certain fascist traits which stand far above any of their Christian beliefs.
Does that mean that teachers are not allowed to be pacifists? Pacifists are not gun owners in general so having a gun in the classroom is against their beliefs. So should they be fired? Should atheists be fired also.
These so called gun loving christians love to discriminate against anyone who does not subscribe to their BS dogma.
I prefer malicious compliance. Don’t change the content of any lesson, but rename the subject from math to “How best to stone a person to ((conclusion))” - conclusion being a 5 letter word beginning with D and ending in eath that Google doesn’t like me saying and Geography to “((Houseguests who can’t leave and have to serve you)) are your right to own”
They want everything their way, regardless of whether or not it results in hypocrisy, which their pretend god character must love since they ALL love their hypocrisy. Same goes for lying (punishable by DEATH, supposedly), which they also boldly do, ESPECIALLY when it is to prop up their make-believe god character.
What amazes me also…Lots of Louisianians were extremely vocal about being “forced” to take the covid vaccine. Apparently public safety is something they’re against while religious indoctrination isn’t.
same people refuse to wear helmets because it deprives them of their god-given rights to experience blunt force trauma
Both forced vaccinations and forced religious association is wrong. Perhaps you should both learn to mind your own fucking business
Just yesterday two of my coworkers talked about how they were forced to take covid vaccination. People are stupid.
Louisiana is Great ! Thank you Jesus !
If you're for vaccine mandates, you're on the wrong side of history.
Its disgusting how little respect these conservative christians have for the billions of people around them. It's unfortunate that they constantly force their antiquated and often harmful ideology on everyone else.
It really makes their fear of other religions, sexualities and immigrants make sense, doesnt it.
Unfortunate and disgusting and dangerous
The overlap between religions thinking and authoritarianism is obvious. The ultimate expression is divine command theory. 🤮
excuse me , there are 2.5 billion of us
@jwsanders1214 Which leaves 5.6 billion non-Christians.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights are little more than suggestions at this point. In Ghost's song "Kaisarion" part of the lyrics are "It is the noise of the righteous dogma that hides the handmaid's tale". So true, and the song is about the fall of an empire.
Ghost rocks!🤘🤘
"A version of the Ten Commandments." I'm fine with George Carlin's version.
Aye. Short and to the point.
@@RandomStuff-i4i Private companies can do what they want and those who work there have a choice to be there. We are talking about the state mandating this display in facilities paid for with taxpayer funds. This is a direct violation of the 1st Amendment.
@@RandomStuff-i4i Then that is also a violation of the 1st Amendment.
@@RandomStuff-i4i Facts don't trouble me. People who spit on the Constitution bother me.
@@chrisose
People who spit on the constitution bother you
Just like people who spit on the 10 commandments bother them.
Only 2 commandments are even laws like 6 are stroking the supreme beings ego.
And at least four of them are so utterly basic and banal I struggle to comprehend why Christians are so adamant they're superior moral teachings.
@@christopherconkright1317
true.
Abrahamic impotent Gods egos require many believers eager hands for the warm up until becoming ready to blast to high heaven.
actually youre right. I had too read it but just murder and theft, meanwhile don't covet your neighbors property like goats sheep and WOMEN
Oklahomie here, this is one of the main reasons my wife and I are not having kids yet. We're waiting to run away to Switzerland first lol
If you do, your kids will be better educated, not indoctrinated with religious myths, probably speak several languages and be much more informed about the world. Kudos.
@@ScienceNotFaith my wife is a Swiss citizen, so hopefully that'll make it easier!
You aren’t having kids because you are an atheist which leads to hedonism and nihilism
It's almost like the bill of rights & constitution are useless 😞
Not useless. Certain people view them as weapons to be used against their enemies, though, not as laws intended to serve the public interest. They read the Constitution much the same way as they read their Bibles--cherry pick the parts you need and twist it as much as you need to affirm what you want to be true, discount or make excuses for the rest.
I cannot thank you enough for the work you do. Happy to be joining in the work to help others value good arguments.
According to John Adams - "The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the christian religion".
according to the lgbt movement, you can either be a man or a women whenever how you feel
@@Mrfrancis1971why are you the dumb?
Comparative religion classes would be great. Teach about Greek, Babylonian and Roman mythology and draw comparisons from that to the bible.
Get your kids out of government schools if you love them
Exactly. Do a comparison of ancient Near Eastern religions and literature to see where the Israelites borrowed some of their ideas from and see if people still think the Bible is the "word of God".
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*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.***
*Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.***
***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service.
*"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"*
*"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"*
("The Sumerians were the people of southern Mesopotamia whose civilization flourished between c. 4100-1750 BCE."
"Ancient Israelites and their origins date back to 1800-1200 BCE.")
*"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"*
Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes.
From a Biblical scholar:
"Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."*
*"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"*
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
*"Hammurabi - World History Encyclopedia"*
(Hammurabi (r. 1792-1750 BCE) was the sixth king of the Amorite First Dynasty of Babylon best known for his famous law code which served as the model for others, *including the Mosaic Law of the Bible.)*
*"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"*
*"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"*
*"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"*
(Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief)
*"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"*
*"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From?
*"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"*
Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica
(Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years)
*"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"*
*"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"*
*"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"*
*"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"*
Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"*
(8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science)
*"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"*
*"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"*
*"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"*
*"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"*
*"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"*
*"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei
(This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies)
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
Real events resemble fiction compare titan(fiction) titanic(real)
The idea that the genesis was ripped from gilgamesh has been so debunked the biblical flood narrative existed before gilgamesh
Nice copypaste
Helped free me brother, thank you for your service.
I’m in Louisiana. What’s wrong with it? Might be easier to list what isn’t wrong.
Last gubernatorial debate brought up “inclusiveness” in schools & such but when answering how they would handle pronouns & things like that, they immediately jumped to “chopping body parts off of children”.
These people don’t even know the topics they’re making/denying laws about…
Yep. That's democracy.
So its ok with you morality police to put drag shows in elementary schools but ......
Move to Vermont , we don't need you
@@jwsanders1214drag story hours yes, whats wrong with those?
@@jwsanders1214Hail Satan!
If they had tried this 30 years ago when I was in high school, the students would have revolted, protested and walked out.
Don't today's kids have a say in their own education any more?
They really don't. One could say they never have because that's not what our "education" system is or has ever been about. The aim of compulsory public education has always been creating the next generation of good little worker bees, and you can't have that by fostering a genuine spirit of inquiry because inquiry leads to skepticism, skepticism leads to questioning authority, and we all know what questioning authority leads to. So, it's in the public education system's best interest to give the most surface-level knowledge of core subject areas, especially history and literature, so that people are _just_ educated _enough_ to know how to file tax returns or negotiate contracts and sign legally-binding documents or vote in elections but _not_ to ask those questions all parents hate, i.e., "Why?" and "How?"
I think today's kids have grown up learning how to "tune out" things like forced ads, ignorant classmates, etc better than we ever did. So they honestly may not even notice enough to care🤷🏻♂️
@@miro.georgiev97 God is Good !
That almost certainly would not have happened. Also today's kids don't care about their education in the slightest, they're raised by the internet.
50 years ago the 10 commandments were in every school , we prayed every morning , said the Pledge of Allegiance and sang the national anthem every morning
Not just Louisiana and Oklahoma. It's anywhere that Southern Baptist is the dominant faith.
correction , where God is known . Louisiana is mostly Catholic / French , good people
@@jwsanders1214Hail Satan!
@jwsanders1214 where is god known? God works in mysterious ways, have you figured them out?
The Southern Bastards.
@@uninspired3583 Yes , God has not left us ( His people ) in darkness as others are in darkness
Colossians 1:15 God has redeemed us from the domain of darkness and brought us into the Kingdom of his dear Son Jesus Christ " God loves you, turn to Jesus , Shalom
The Statanic Temple is effective so long as courts aren't willing to go as far as to favor one religion over another. Do we really think that's a given anymore? I sure don't.
Great
It really is scary to think about.
A big part of the cause of these problems is that in the US, you have popular elections for positions that should be filled through merit, which means that you end up with the best politician for the job rather than the best person for the job.
DEI says hello.
That isn’t democratic i thought you atheists supported democracy or are you doing the other type of atheist society like china or the soviet union eill se how big you k/d ratio is
@@JonO387 What do you think DEI is? I'm curious if you actually know or are just going by buzzwords. :>
@@Callimo They don't, propaganda bots don't care.
I lived a few miles from OK, during grad school. I learned a lot about bigotry, religious fundamentalism, and anti-science politics via that experience, dealing with the humans and policies that exist there (and TX was not much better)
Oh you poor baby !
Excellent! Thanks Matt!
“The United States was not founded as a Christian Nation or a religious nation of any kind.” James Madison, 1809, probably.
There's one of the first treaties the US ever signed between ourselves and Tripoli that clearly stated the US was in no way, shape, or form a Christian nation. That was around 1797. But with the "red scare" in the 1950's that started to erode when they crammed "under God" into the Pledge and forcing "In God We Trust" on the coins.
Because the United States was founded by people who were already implicitly and explicity Christian - just about everybody in 1809, probably.......'>......
Bright side… atheist teachers will now be allowed to teach the Bible to kids. ;-) Didn’t say they had to teach it favorably.
Also my thought. Investigate the 'whole' bible, not just the nice parts.
One of my favorite courses at LSU was “Religions of the World”
Fantastic and eye opening.
So well said, but we live in a timeline of insanity
I forgot, which 10 commandments? The first set that got smashed and replaced? From which sect of christianity? From which bible translation?
they'll fight among themselves about those issues.
Additional.
When he intimates that Louisianna might actually win, thanks to the supreme court, I was reminded of that futurama episode:
"Yeah, well I know a place where the constitution doesn't mean squat!!!" - the camera then cuts to a scene outside the supreme court.
Maybe some religious nutcases in Louisianna watched that episode and took it to heart?
The only way to counter this is to request the same for other versions of religious mythology. 😳
I'm glad you're doing this. I find it depressing and must look away
In England in the 1960s I had the option to take a ‘religious studies’ class in High School which covered the different religions in the world. This in a country where the monarch is the head of the CofE.
They also taught Evolution in Biology class as fact, as there is no evidence based alternative!
Yesss! thanks Matt
"Madison said nice things about the 10 commandments.."
And Jefferson (actually) said good things about Islam , so we better get the Quran in our classrooms now.
And SCOTUS chambers display Mohammad next to Moses
@@stephenstarr6388
Mo hummer displayed anywhere would be pretty amusing.
One of my favorite classes in Catholic High School was "Religions of the World" and that class was fascinating. I learned about different beliefs and there was no judgement in that class - only knowledge of, and acceptance of people's differences. By the time I was in high school my father and mother stopped going to church regularly (at that time it was Easter and Christmas only). I never felt pressure or religious indoctrination in my Catholic High School (I don't believe I ever took any or it that seriously). I would hate to have felt pressured to conform to any one religion, if at all.
My biology teacher allowed a couple of buddies and me to make moonshine in the back of the classroom as "an experiment".
We even came in after hours and weekends to work on that project.
We finally got a kid to 'test' some of the resulting 'product' by paying him a couple of bucks...
He got inebriated, then sick and went home.
It did take us some time to clear out all the equipment when we were finished with the month-long project (55-gallon drums, copper tubing, industrial burners, grinders, etc.). Now that I think of it, we did seem well-funded (private high school?).
During a parent-teacher conference my biology teacher (Mr. Sark? Sarff?) quipped with my mom that "we may all end up in jail from your son's experiment". (Gladly we all stayed out as it was "for educational purposes only" - and no one squealed).
For a political party that is so obsessed with the 10 Commandments, why are these same people supporting a man who proudly admits he has broken at LEAST 9 of the 10 Commandments?
Trump? Trump isn't a Christian. I think it's weird that evangelicals treat him like a prophet, but it wouldn't be right to hold that against him.
Between Trump and Harris, I'll take Donald Trump.
Matt love ur shows mate .👍👍👍💪💪💪
The Ten Commandments are not Christian commandments they are Jewish commandments. I think it says in the New Testament that there was just one commandment.
If the bible were studied it would be found that Christianity would have gone nowhere without the apostle Paul. He was an educated Greek and knew all about Epicurus and took those teachings to literally re-write Christianity incorporating those ideas into the Pauline Gospels.
America is on its downward spiral. Even though I was born and raised here, I cannot say that I view most Americans as decent people. From all along the political spectrum.
Sadly, the Bible’s used in the Oklahoma classrooms, will be treated like the Bible in churches. The inconvenient parts will not be taught. I’d start in Deut 22 and Leviticus 20 … this could produce a new generation of atheists
As a resident of Oklahoma i think the main issue is that people actively avoid any topic that is political. We are not taught when and how to vote and it seems like the majority of people dont vote at all.
Ill admit i should have learned or taught myself a long time ago but i didnt end up voting until i was 25 and even then every person i would talk to had no clue how to vote. I always thought this was normal.
People are too scared to polarize and to be cancelled. While Republicans repeatedly cried about cancel culture they certainly play into it more often then not.
I have a better idea: let's teach the kids how to fill an IRS form and how social security works instead. That'll will really come in handy.
They only need to know how to use irs forms if they have an income. Based on the quality of education in these states, they shouldn't have to bother with those.
@@uninspired3583
There's plenty of low level jobs ready for uneducated highschool kids to begin working. Many jobs don't require much more than just paying attention to what's going on with the task at hand.
@@FoursWithin Missouri passed a child labor law to allow 10 year olds to work in factories cause they don't need no edumacation
@@FoursWithin those jobs are quickly being replaced by automation
@@uninspired3583
It been a long time since I've been in a McDonald's so I didn't realize the McRobots are cooking up and serving the happy meals these days.
Times are changing so quickly...
I love how Oklahoma and Louisiana are so determined to break the second commandment by posting the Ten Commandments everywhere. It almost sounds like something I would do to blaspheme the Abrahamic god.
Again stop quoting the bible out of context
@@eeroraute281Who are you, again?
@@eeroraute281 if you want to quote the bible in context, you need to talk about all the cultures and mythologies it borrows from, like gilgamesh, Shamhat, Pandora, and Plato's metaphysics. We need to talk about the known forgeries as in the book of daniel, the later additions like the woman at the well. And we need to talk about the cultural context of things like misogyny, slavery, and both human and animal sacrifice. We need to talk about how the cannon was chosen, and why the book of Enoch or the book of Thomas were excluded.
"Context" doesn't get you to inspired and inerant word of God.
No biblical scholar or historian believes that genesis copied from greek mythology there are flood myths in america did they also copy from gilgemesh china too
Also there isn’t one gospel of thomas there are several texts claiming to be the gospel of thomas it isn’t canonical because it wasn’t written by the apostle thomas and was at the time known for being a gnostic forgery
Enoch is canon the idea that it isn’t is protestant
Who else here would love to show what’s in the Bible to teenagers? 😂
ezekiel 23:20
leviticus 14
1 Timothy 2:9-15
leviticus 25 39-48
I can go on ....and on.
It's not just teenagers though. It could very easily be used to traumatize young kids. Just imagine what the parents would think when their 1st/2nd grader comes home asking about Isaac or Jephthah's unnamed daughter (glossing over why she isn't named).
As a PhD mathematician and retired PSU mathematics professor, my first thought up seeing the requirement for ALL teachers to teach from the Bible... huh?? And the math teachers are supposed to teach what exactly?
Hi! Here's a comment from the many times the "happiest country in the world" Finland. We have a subject in schools called "religion". The kids learn about all the major religions in the world and how they differ from each other. Yes, we have a major church here and all the children who are not a member of this church get to skip these classes. BUT, all preaching and such is forbidden in our schools.
Grabbing my popcorn to watch all the lawsuits to come out of this 🍿
It's gone beyond that now.
The goal here is to get lawsuits going. The christofacist supreme court has announced they are going to let stuff like this through.
Bring it on ! Jesus wins !
@@jwsanders1214Hail Satan!
@@nitehawk86 there might be push back from the more moderate conservative justices
I found that bit at the start, where he says that 'Loisianna passed a law that failed to pass in Texas' to be VERY funny!! I guess, because I'm not American, I have some very definite ideas (which might not always be entirely accurate) about what American states are like.
My religion classes in high school (1980s) were teaching about religions not preaching them. Some students were excused from participating because they were Catholics. 🤦
I was a Catholic. We couldn't listen to non-Catholic or participate in other religions. We were taught that we belonged to the one true church.
I was in a cult, and I didn't even know it.
@@hkk3656All religions are cults. The bigger ones just get away without being labelled so.
James Madison spoke FOR SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE!
He spoke of this specifically, stating that the separation kept both religion AND State more pure.
what makes me wonder is what's going to happen when they have to choose a form of the ten commandments to use - and half the Christian parents tell them they're wrong for different reasons. they can't even unify on a translation of their holy books.
The ones scribed on the Supreme Court Building will do
The Title makes this worth it.
7:35 I am 40 years old and started School in 1990. Already back then, religion was taught in a class called RL, short for "Religion og Livssyn" (Religion and life philosophies) where we learned equally (as far as possible) about every religion. And I am very gratefull for that Becquerel, even though I am an atheist, I like knowledge, and the first time I heard about Bahãˋí for instance, was in that class. The same with The differences and likenesses between Hindu and Sikh. I learned abot it in RL. Kids need to learn that there are a world outside The western Christian bubble with many different beliefs and life styles.
You reached me bro. Thank you. 👏🏻
I think (a) teachers in those schools could also put up other religious posters, and (b) instead of arguing that it is unconstitutional in court, use the 43alley idea and get those arguing for the law to legally agree that the 10 Commandments are only the "Laws given by Yahweh to Moses", " Written on stone tablets", and "Referred to as the 10 Commandments in the bible", and then have to legally both post the version of the 10 Commandments that includes "Thou shalt not boil a baby goat in its mother's milk".
I don't find our political times particularly baffling or confusing... Just consequences with local flavor
As a L leaning D of many years, it all started making more sense to me when I migrated leftwards of those positions, esp as the D party has continued their ever-rightwards drift these past 50 years
You're just so ace, Matt 🎉
Handmaid's Tale in the making??
When the Handmaid’s Tale TV series for aired I started to watch it and stopped a few episodes in because it was too close to what could be a possible reality. I hate that years later we’re this much closer to it being real.
I always thought basic psychology, logical fallacies, biases and our constitutional rights should be part of the high school or even middle school education. So many people don't know what their rights are and are way too logically flawed to make good decisions. I think you missed an important point though, which is, a lot of this has to do with "pay back" for how they see teachers bringing an LGBT "agenda" into the classroom and they think it's a rational response.
Oh goodie, goodie teacher, can we study my favorite bible verse? Ezekiel chapter twenty-three paragraph twenty through twenty-two and can you tell us all about it, we all want to know.
Its because some religious sectors are seeing the growth of non-christians and freaking out about it. They think that they need to regain control as christians are heading to not be a majority anymore. The use of the conservative USSC fits nicely into their plan.
I fear that in the coming years or decades, the Christo-facists will want me on a cross for being atheist.
I grew up in both and the poor educational system and the infulence of religious leaders is too damned high. They are raised to be gullible and they are super gullible adults.
@11:42 I've been considering joining TST, mainly because it's hard for atheists and secular humanists to find community that's equivalent to religious ones. Not that i have any particular desires insofar as rituals are concerned, but being who i am can get very very lonely. If anyone here sees this and is a member of TST, I'd appreciate some information on it, also in regards to my area, Western NY.🤘🖖
There are no rituals. I joined when my kids were still in school (their public school started sending religious fliers home). Frankly it wasn’t worth actually joining-the location near me was so flaky/inactive that I gave up on trying to connect with the community after a year of trying.
@@jrojala Yeah.. I've reached out to them a few times. Not once did I get a reply.
Imagine if the main religions were revealed in classrooms and one of those religions spoke about how men should control women and then males began to think, "Wow, that sounds like the religion I need to belong to. No more women telling me what to do or not to do and no more telling how to act and how not to act."
So you're saying that they broke one of the 10 commandments (Thou shalt not lie) to justify posting the Ten Commandments?
Greetings from Louisiana!
I'm not an Athiest, and I don't see much wrong with the commandments itself. However, the commandments should not be in schools any more than statues of Satan should be in parks. You are right about not being biased and accurate about the level of education here in Louisiana. At my university, a large percentage of students' writing, reading, and reasoning skills are indistinguishable from 5th-grade essays (I compared them). It's unfortunate how so much effort is being put into re-establishing religion in school while subjects vital to future success fall by the wayside.
The first commandment outlaws other religions and atheism, the next 3 commandments have nothing to do with morality, they just deal with religious practice. These are not universal truths that everyone could agree with. You don't see anything wrong with that?
There’s a reason why certain leaders are so anti-education and trying their hardest to strip away our education system. It seems plainly obvious. I don’t understand how so many people are happily going along with it.
At least half of The Ten Commandments would and should be illegal to enforce and would likely land you in JAIL if you tried to.
Teaching comparative religion would backfire, because in places such as this the courses would be taught by evangelical Christians who would demonize other religions.
@michaelsommers2356 tell me you've never taken a comparative religions course without saying you've never taken one.
Meanwhile, to show the additional absurdity of your post... should we also not teach evolution, history, math, chemistry and other topics? Aren't they also being taught by evangelical Christians?
For a lot of people, a comparative religions class or section is the one and only place growing up where they’ll see every major religion presented on equal footing. It CAN fail for exactly the reason you said, but that doesn’t mean it WILL fail. I don’t see how it could make things worse, but I can see how in some schools it wouldn’t make things better.
@@SansDeitymaths and chemistry may be taught reasonably by evangelicals, but history is already being twisted, and evolution is “just a theory” to be compared to creationism or “intelligent design”. I fear that the OP has valid concerns regarding the honesty that a comparative religion course would be taught considering the horror stories coming from schools currently.
@@Kelley_X so does that mean we shouldn't have history taught?
I love in Louisiana and I'm horrified on a daily basis. Thank God I don't have kids in school.
You’ve confirmed what I’ve long believed 👏👏👏👍🇬🇧🇬🇧👏
you are asking people that really care a lot about what some dude said 2 THOUSAND years ago to stop lying about what some dude that lived 200 years ago said.
Matt, i love you, but they are way too far gone for basic logic like that...
"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."
Due to problems at birth I grew up basically an atheist but back in the 70's we had to take RE lessons in the first 3 years of secondary school perhaps due to Mt RE teachers main subject being history we were taught the history of most of the more common religions and not any religious teachings. Those lessons just solidified my views on religion
Sees title. . .
Looks at run time: 14:52. . .
Clearly not enough time to cover the topic.
Let's get some malicious compliance going. "But I was just teaching the Bible!"
I'm a big supported of mandating a comparative history of religion course! Taught in a secular manner without preference. Of course a plurality of the focus would have to be on the Catholic Church given it's own massive historical role, but it should be taught.
And so every teacher in that state is well qualified to teach the intricacies of the Ten Commandments the version they chose
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.” - Isaac Asimov
“Reading, writing, and arithmetic” definitely isn’t “3 Rs,” but it is definitely catchy 😂
"I love the uneducated" -TFG
The quote is, "I love the poorly educated."
@@blackswan8653 what's your source?
I thought he said, "I love the undereducated".
@@brenta2634 Your mom told me.
@@blackswan8653 Don't trust her. She doesn't do Internet research too well.
Welcome to Gilead. I guess Marg Atwood was a "prophet".
Matt is starting to look like God!
Looks like the images they made of their god. 🤣
@AllSortsOfStuff58 Made-up images of a Made-up God exist.
@AllSortsOfStuff58 😆😆😆
Well he's pretended to be god for long enough
Matt is a shining light in a Universe of Religious intolerance and outright religious scams.
Matt is the essence of darkness
*The Bible : **_"Lean not on your own understanding & trust in the Lord with all your heart"_** .*
Translation : Stay ignorant & put your trust in the _men that "claim" to speak for God/Jesus._
Why is your head glowing green?
I have family that teach in oklahoma. They are very conservative, I'm the black sheep being an atheist. They have all said they won't teach from the bible or any other religious text book because that's what church is for. Plus they absolutely hate the state superintendent.
The trouble with teaching comparative religion is that the teachers can spin their favorite religion to be the preferred or the best religion. Think of the hostility that, for example, mythicist children and teachers will get if they express their beliefs that Jesus never existed. I know when I was in grade school (in the 1960s), hostility against Mormons was way worse than it is today, and I was afraid (more like embarrassed) to let other children know I was a Mormon. Some of the children could freely talk about their religion, mostly Catholic, where I lived and partly because JFK was a Catholic.
Parents can teach their children at home. When the children become adults, then I have no problem with comparative religion classes.
WHO decided WHICH translation of the 10 Commandments to use? The original Hebrew Jewish version, Septuagint, KJV, NRSV, etc.? Can we ask YHWH to give Louisiana (and the world) the definitive version? (RCC raised in NOLA).
Short answer, religion.
From a Catholic perspective and speaking as an Oklahoman, the 10 commandments being required to be displayed in public schools in Louisiana is a clear violation of the First amendment. As far as bibles in schools are concerned, I don’t have a problem with teachers having one in their classroom for personal reasons. But being required to teach it in schools is something I don’t agree with and also violates the 1st amendment. If teachers want to have a personal bible in their classroom for their own sake then that should be their choice. But they should not be required to teach it. This is why I don’t like Ryan Walters. He’s continuing to push Christian nationalism and I’m against it.
As a fellow Oklahoman, how are these people getting elected? I’ve lived here my entire life so I get that, as a state, we’re very conservative but I never hear anyone say anything positive about Walters or Stitt. All I hear is people complaining and wanting them both out and not just from liberals. There was a big bipartisan campaign against both yet they both won with a good sized margin.
I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist but it’s making me wonder if there’s something going on. Stitt’s election specifically stands out because, not only was there a lot of pushback against his re-election from liberals and many moderates, but also a lot of teachers and the tribes. Somehow he was able to take all but 3 counties, winning in a landslide in most. He only lost Tulsa Co. by 0.2% and even won in Cherokee Co. where half the population is Native. Maybe people aren’t turning out to vote or maybe I’m giving Oklahomans too much credit but it doesn’t make sense to me. I just don’t get it.
What bible verses should i send my child to school with?
There’s nothing wrong with teaching the old myths as such
13:43 hospitals are there to keep working people healthy so they can keep working…this idea that there here because they care about people might be true but mainly to keep productivity up
"MAYBE TODAY SATAN"
No , but Satan will bow his Knees to Jesus soon
@@jwsanders1214there is no evidence for Satan or Jesus existence.
Lol i think you are the one to believe in fiction
@@jwsanders1214 Sounds hot! What's the link?
I want that t-shirt!
Matt, what games do you enjoy? I see your description says gamer.
Love the epic beard 🥰
Gandalf vibes for sure
I’m curious!
Why is so much focus on the “TEN COMMANDMENTS”, when (if I’m remembering correctly) there are over FIFTY commandments (I may be wrong about the amount…but not by much)!
So why do churches never mention or teach them?
@johnwilliamson7506 there are 613. You were off by more than you thought. Some are only relevant to Jews as a separate covenant
What are churches for? I thought that was a school for religion? I'm confused.......
I don't think people really care whether Madison actually said that. In the modern day, statements of fact are being used as rhetoric with little concern for whether they're actually true.
Also, for any teachers who aren't on board with this, consider that actually reading the Bible and gaining a historical understanding of the Bible is how a lot of atheists were born.
And "every" class should teach from it? How would a maths class teach from the Bible? Well, I guess you can teach that pi equals 3.
So , you arent as educated as you think , I refer you to Solomon's sea 'which equaled pi , Shalom
@@jwsanders1214 I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.
You said how would you teach a math class from the Bible . Solomon's sea = pi didn't you know that ?
@@jwsanders1214 The values in the Bible for Solomon's sea are 10 cubits diameter and 30 cubits circumference - didn't you know that, or do you think that 30 divided by 10 equals pi? Spoiler alert, but it isn't. It equals 3, like I mentioned in my original comment.
And I'm not saying there are precisely zero correct maths in the Bible. I'm saying it's a mythologised history book and cherry-picking whatever little maths you can find in there is going to be far inferior to having a book that is dedicated to just maths, for the purposes of education, and based on modern knowledge, and written by experts. You know, like we've been using in practically every maths class in the civilised world for quite a few years now.
This works both ways, though.. Right?
(Yes. I'm referring to teaching all the "pro-noun/trans" stuff in schools.)
@joeylizotte7537 not even close.... what religion is being openly supported by legislation that teaches pronouns or gender?
@@SansDeity I think you misunderstood me. I meant in the same way that legislation for religious ideologies are being pushed to be taught in public schools (especially here in Texas), LGBT+/Trans ideologies are also being pushed.. (hence "This works both ways.").
It all seems like a sort of Christian consription effort. Unhealthy.
The Founding Fathers on religion
"It does me no injury if my neighbor claims there are twenty gods, or no god" - Thomas Jefferson
"Lighthouses are more useful than churches" - Benjamin Franklin
"I have ever regarded the freedom of religious opinions and worship as equally belonging to every sect" - James Madison
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" - John Adams
"Question with boldness even the existance of a god" - Thomas Jefferson
"The religious beliefs of none shall be abridges on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed" - James Madison
"Government has no right to hurt a hair on then head of an atheist for his opinions. Let him have care of his opinions" - John Adams
"Reliigious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise" - James Madison
"As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensible duty of government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith" - Thomas Paine
"May the children of the stock of Abraham [i.e. Jews], who dwell in this land, continute to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants; while everyone should sit under his own vine and fig tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid" - George Washington