Stop saying the iPad needs MacOS!
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I keep finding myself in arguments with my colleagues about the iPad. So prove my point, I used the new M2 iPad Pro and Davinci Resolve to edit a video.
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0:00 Arguments!
1:32 DaVinci Resolve is a big deal
2:48 Even better with the Pencil
3:21 Ed's sold!
6:00 Thanks Squarespace!
6:38 There's a full app under here
7:15 Pivoting to Video, Short video
9:25 It's hard to see the be hardware so powerful
11:24 The video I edited! - Наука та технологія
I think there’s a lot of people who mean “iPadOS should be more like MacOS rather than iOS” when they say “iPad needs MacOS”. Apple has clearly been very slow to empower iPadOS.
No, lots of people literally want MacOS on iPadOS, hence… this video. I agree iPadOS should, in certain ways, be more like MacOS. But iPadOS is ultimately optimized for the touch experience, while MacOS isn’t.
@@mlx39996 It's not like you can't have two different interfaces, one for touch and one for kb/m. Windows 10 did it.
i think apple needs to move in more mac os style features in ipad os with still a tone of tablet features it’s a computer they say but can’t do thing i would on my mac book
@@wta1518 and windows's touch interface is terrible. see, what youre referring to is a touchscreen mac. but thats not what the ipad is. the ipad isnt macos tablet mode, and its not what its designed to be
@@mlx39996 I never said that Windows' touch interface was good, I was just saying that it's possible to have multiple interfaces.
An iPad is only as good as the App Store. iPad limitation is due to the App Store. The same can’t be said for the Mac 💻
they could solve this with sideloading, not that they ever will, at least not by choice.
Which is why Apple will never allow MacOS on the iPad. MacOS allows traditional software acquisition channels where Apple just provides the hardware and OS, possibly a licensed feature or API, , where IOS / iPadOS app store means Apple gets to steal a 30% cut of all app vendor revenue.
Ya'll are looking at this backwards. What's really going to happen is that Apple will eventually dump MacOS on the desktop / laptops and branch a desktop iPadOS which will then allow Apple to theive 30% of that software revenue as well.
Mark my words, Apple is determined to replicate their IOS app store model across every product line they have, finish walling off those gardens and ensure all software companies pay for the privilege of selling software, subscriptions or services to all Apple product users.
@@racerex340 macOS already has the App Store
yout got a heat from Jonathan .. dude
@@danielleone8801 Just throw it in a trash, out of sight of mind.
I want to say that I love that this channel is not just spec comparing but actually testing the devices in ways that people who already know the specs want to hear and see and that the ultimate statement of the videos is not only what you already think to yourself when reading the titles.
For years I would like to have the ability to do software development on the iPad as easily as I do on my Mac. There was a move towards it with Swift Playground having some of the capabilities of Xcode, but it just stalled and never matured to anything beyond playfulness. I still lack comprehensive editors and IDEs like Visual Studio Code and the JetBrains suite. I also think that some software development workflows lean a lot on switching between apps and having them side-by-side, which means that iPadOS needs to improve its multi-tasking capabilities to allow to do this more conveniently. I also use a lot of community tools which I think would mean that the barrier to create an app will need to be lowered for an iPad work-env to be as lively as a desktop one. I can't work without brew. This can either be sandboxed or managed system-wide somehow, but this needs to be solved. And I'm all for what you're saying with not having macOS on the iPad. It's just that iPadOS needs to improve to accommodate these very real requirements, or introduce software development workflow alternatives that solve the same basic needs. For instance the graphical flow editor of Unreal Engine can be amazing to work with on the iPad.
I don’t think they can add anything like coding as an app with iPads. The way IPadOS works, is that every single app is sandboxed, so something as complex as that might be different or difficult.
@@Thewaterspirit57 you’re right, but there are still ways to facilitate this. They can sandbox the built app in a simulator and give the IDE a debug interface into it. It will not be perfect to begin with, but it’ll be a start they can iterate over.
I'm not sure cause I don't have ipad, but vscode has a remote feature which you can connect into through a browser, it may work as a fully featured IDE
@@Haisui there are a lot of good enough IDEs and editors. The main problem I’m raising here is that most software development flows are multi-tasked by design, and these are not flows that are easily replicated on an iPad even though there exists a very good app for most specific tasks in that flow.
It should be able to *switch* to a MacOS-like interface, especially when docked with an external mouse and keyboard. This is easier to do than ever with USB-C hubs.
And just like that we have windows 8 lol
@@jasonlast7091 Yeah sure but its windows 8 but with apples general polish.
I just want to able to choose what I want on my device not other people saying: you don’t need this.
I love the iPad but when I have a 300$ keyboard it better gets MacOs as an option. And after 2 years the iPad Pro still isnt a "pro" device just an iPad on steroids.
This is exactly what Galaxy Tabs do when they're attached to a keyboard and mouse or a laptop case. The iPad needs its own DeX mode
@@jasonlast7091 windows 8 actually worked genuinely decently on tablets, the reason why it was bad was because microsoft forced it on desktop users
I think the Steam Deck is a good concept for what the iPad could be: a streamlined interface with a full desktop os system that you don't have to deal with if you don't want to
So in other words, Windows 8 Metro UI.
@@evildude109 Was metro ui a polished, streamline interface with about a decade of constant iterations?
@@evildude109 uhhhmmm no🤓
I think I'd rather just buy a Steam Deck than an iPad tbh
@@yeetsupYT They're completely different devices.
My point is that the steam Deck is primarily a gaming device, with an optimized os and ui meant for the use case it's for. You can use a full on desktop ui/os if you want, but it's not optimal if you don't have a keyboard and mouse, but it's there if you want/need the extra functionality. IPad doesn't need to just have iPad os anymore, it basically has the same hardware as the MacBooks.
I know it's not as simple as slapping the iPad ui on Mac os, but if Valve had the resources to do so, so can Apple
My ipad is simply just a glorified PDF viewer/editor honestly. I use it for sheet music so, reading scores, writing music, editing music, the list goes on. All the extra trinkets that have been introduced I hardly use and really are just a drain on my battery life as it turns out. The most 'techy' my iPad use has gotten is controlling a presentation and reading my notes in separate apps with the splitscreen ability
I use it for everything. -Maybe 8 hours a day.
Learning languages, taking notes for lectures, watching lectures, watching videos, managing my digital life, programm on it, play on it, shop on it.
Still I am disappointed, that I cannot write iOS applications on it, because XCode is only available for MacOS.
I just hate my MacBook.
@@antman7673 damn, you should be my lost brother or something because I hate mine one too
It sounds like you need an e-ink device instead of an iPad.
I'd love to see more ipad (even iphone) videos focused on creativity use-cases; photo editing, 3d modelling, audio production. and see where the strengths and limitations of the hardware and software are. This series is so great, good going Horst!
then go and watch an apple centric channel then............ you sad sad sad little apple user..
i prefer editing on a 42inch oled than hunched over a tiny screen
@@steviegbcool some people don't have the money or space for that, and an ipad can have multiple uses in one box
@@BadMotivator66 you could get a pretty good laptop and monitor for the same price as a new ipad pro 1tb
@@steviegbcool true, but not as portable. perhaps someone needs a tablet to maybe draw or photo edit, along with a pc for video calls, or audio production, etc. one device that's portable for all.
The problem with the iPad is that iPadOS is annoying to do many basic tasks. Apple intends that annoyance unfortunately. They call it a simpler experience for the everyday user. The problem is the iPad Pro is intended for "Pros" (whether that's Professional or prosumer... that's a different question).
Well pro is often just a marketing term meaning it’s the device that has the best features (in the case of the iPad it’s quad speakers, 120hz pro motion, mini LED on the bigger size)
It just means the best device in its range
I think this is where the major frustration is i.e. Apple claims in all their ipad pro presentations that its the IPAD FOR THE PROFESSIONALS, yet they deliver a product which is just a PLUS size of normal ipad.
And Having a mini led display doesn't help any professional outside colour correction profession, apple desperately needs to either correct their marketing or their product.
@@Isengardtom Exactly. Much like the Pro pods, a sound guy would not buy those things for the recording studio. 🤷🏽♂️
Definitely consider the iPad Pro for the "prosumer" (in most cases).
Everyone I know that has an iPad Pro uses it for exactly the same things you can do on the cheapest, base model iPad... just the Pro feels "nicer" to use.
The vast majority of iPads sold are not iPad Pros but regular iPad or iPad Air or mini and are used for content consumption.
We need a DeX counterpart from the Apple side, it's so good on all of my Galaxies that I've had. I've been thinking about this for a long time since I also owned an iPad since the 2nd gen
Yes sadly this channel tried reviewing dex without an external monitor, a keyboard or a mouse. Just played around with it natively on a tablet and was "Meh, I like iPad better." It was so frustrating
Agree!
DeX isn't even perfect but I find it so useful at times when I have to manage a lot of windows and Android apps at the same time.
Nah Dex sucks. Floating arbitrarily resizable windows are a terrible idea that needs to die
I agree. I would only need one device for 90 percent of work.
I miss Linux on DeX. Containers in your phone! Brief, magical time in Galaxy history.
Great video!
I really really love the kind of content that comes of Mac Address!
Horst always delivers this kind of "not the expected" takes on Apple products. It's refreshing!
Thanks!!!
In fairness to the Davinci app, the speed editor is a great addition if you want that speed back!
If you want to keep editing but feel like you slow down, I can recommend it. And it comes with a studio Resolve and Fusion key too for your Mac/PC/Linux!
I don't own a Samsung tablet, but I know they have a feature called Samsung Dex. When you use it your tablet's os turns into a windows like mode. I think it would be great if the iPad had such a feature where it could switch between ios and some form of mac os. Best of both worlds with the only caveat being the iPad may need more storage to accommodate the new os.
Don't use it often but the times I have its been great for basic tasks like word processing, email, etc. Certainly beats stage manager.
Yep. That's what people want, to be able to use an external monitor off the iPhone and run a desktop OS UI. It doesn't have to be macOS but that would be ideal as there is so much already available for macOS. Or for a tablet, to be able to do that or run the UI on the tablet screen and connecting a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Unfortunately, we all know the main reason they haven't done this is likely because they want to pressure people to have to buy more of their hardware. Their laptop and desktop sales would likely decline if people could run a desktop OS off their phones and tablets. It just really sucks that they may avoid doing this for as long as possible.
DeX is great for when you want to get some work done or need multiple windows open. And while you can have pop-up windows open and enable a feature in the settings to allow for a window function in regular tablet mode and the taskbar is an option now, there's just something about standard DeX mode
I have a Samsung tablet and I've never tried the dex but it looks really cool
This will not happen. Apple doesn't do things like that.
From a software developer perspective, the iPad Pro isn't a "pro" device without XCode and Homebrew and the like. And probably root access. It's just a locked down toy that Apple doesn't actually let you use for real purposes.
For professional photography or audio or the like it could be fine with the right apps; though I'm not personally familiar with the state of that.
inb4 “put bash/zsh on iPad” 😅 but yeah, I totally agree that it’s not helpful as a device for developers
Yeah but then again its probably also not apples intended market. Most of the marketing is geared towards creative professionals like video/audio editors and the like.
@@jackedup447 Sure. Though it seems a bit strange to me that this intended market doesn't include developing apps for the iPad itself, when they offer an M2 processor in a 13 inch tablet with a keyboard dock that surely could be perfectly suitable for that if they let you do it.
And then for the most part I can use Windows, macOS, or Linux for any professional or non-professional purpose. So the iPad is artificially limited and only suitable for certain things, it doesn't really make sense to talk about it as a replacement or alternative to a real computer in any general sense. Even if it's a useful tool for certain things.
But it also *could* be suitable for all of this. If the keyboard dock works well enough the 13 inch iPad pro could be a totally fine Laptop replacement with an unrestricted OS. Presumably the M2 chip should be able to drive dual external monitors (not sure if the iPad allows this currently) so it could be docked and work as a desktop. And performance should be good enough for most things. But Apple doesn't let you do that. Probably to ensure they can keep making revenue from the app store and in-app purchases more than any philosophical or design concern. So the iPad doesn't seem particularly useful to me personal, even though it *could* be if Apple *let* it be.
True. A handy SSH device in a pinch, sure. Maybe even quick edits in a browser based editor.
But a full blown development environment, probably not there yet.
@@ids1024 y e p. I absolutely agree. With how great the SDK is on macs im suprised that they decided to not at least include a XCode app for iOS aswell, but they seem to want to segment developers for macos/Ios to specifically MacOS based devices instead.
Mac Address! yall killed it on video yet again, videography, writing, audio, entertaining scripts/moments, I honestly feel like you guys as a channel don't get the exposure you guys deserve and as a fan I feel like you guys would kill it if there was more content on other cool stuff in addition to all the mac stuff and I feel like other people / other audiences would love it too
As always, great work on this video! Y’all always show a clear investment in journalistic investigation, talking about how people use the device in real life, and in thinking through topics with nuance. In a scene littered with clickbait, invitations for outrage, and over-discussion of Apple “leaks” and speculation, this is a truly needed breath of fresh air!
How lucky are we that in answering the prompt to “make a channel that appeals to Apple users,” LMG and Mac Address didn’t create a channel based on specs, leaks, news, and the latest Apple controversy wheel. Nor did they go for something that would vaguely appeal to “hipsters in coffee shops,” the status obsessed, fans of lifestyle brands, or those who buy the devices because they look nice. Instead, they took inspiration from what Apple originally was in the first place: computers designed for everyday people to use them. And so Mac Address investigates how people actually use these devices, and the highs and lows of those everyday experiences. The result is a gem among channels!
While it’s cool that this is more geared towards content creation, not every apple user is a content creator. I see nothing wrong if they keep iPad OS as a tablet mode kinda like how windows 8 was supposed to be but executed apple style, and then have a Mac OS mode if you want to use a more complete OS and connect a keyboard and trackpad.
Exactly, many professionals don't work with video, and for all of those the iPad is still just an iPad that we have to ditch aside when it's time too work
This applies to every tech review on youtube these days. I don't care about benchmarks i'll never use. I want real world battery tests? camera tests? can it game? are the speakers good or shit? etc. I don't care about the geekbench score or what it does in blender as i'd imagine 95% of people buying tech aren't using these products to make "content".
This!!! When I say iPad needs macOS, I mean the ability to run full IDEs and a Terminal to help me develop software anywhere on-the-go!!! No reason why it cannot given M2 and the Magic Keyboard...yet the iPad is useless as a standalone development device!!!
The iPad is still where I want to work. I’m tired of trying to bend it to my will to get it to work. Felt like I spent so much money on a glorified iPhone now with its regressions that iPadOS took in 2021. The iPadOS 15 update was a bunch of wasted space that was gone in iPadOS 14. Hot take those widgets on the Home Screen took the much superior Today View on the iPad. I prefer the big clock and the widgets on the side. And there is padding on the sides drives me nuts - it ruined my Home Screen.
The today view was most definitely better, I had to arrange my widgets perfectly so that my home screen didn't look like a mess when I rotated it...
@@NcLax5 you know you can move widgets/apps in vertical and horizontal mode independently of each other? Like you can have widget/app in the left right corner when in horizontal mode and in right bottom corner when in vertical mode if you want to
@@Temac000 Yeah I knew this, it was just horribly awkward to figure out the first time when the update came out! It actually even still messes itself up after updates every now and then too.
As you said, it's the small things like mouse support and icons that mean we run into issues. What macs also have is a life beyond software support- and with the addition of drive support and vlc player, word, excel, etc the ipad is a lot closer to having that as well. but until we're fully there I fear many functioning usable devices will end up as E-waste.
My ipad pro (2020) has been used for video editing recently (iphone 12 footage) and it held up admirably! no issues with stutters or skipping, or crashes. it was just a music video rather than long projects with lots of media and inserts, however.
Man I'm really glad you spoke about the issue MS Word. Its BS. The inconsistency across apps is what bothers me more. I've switched to a base M2 MBA and it's serving me well.
The issue here is if these apps are using the system text rendering or using thier own. MS are using thier own and that would be find if they put any effort into making it work on iPadOS but they don't, just the DPI along creates issues for it.
ms word is ass because microsoft wants you to use the surface.
The HUGE shining star of the Mac IS it's full featured Office products. Having been a previous MS Office user since it's FIRST version and fed up with it's bugs, using Pages and Numbers was an instant pure joy for me. Numbers and Pages are HUGE advantages that Apple has over any other product, and it's included in the MacBook! But I don't like the fact that it's NOT the same full featured product under IOS. Apple missed the boat there, which is why IOS needs to be dumped.
It’s clear that the only correct option is to put ipadOS on the mac
this is basically what apple is going for on their macos
so real for this
new setting seems def suspicious lol
This, but unironically. I use MacOS every day and have for the past 6 years (minus a few days here and there), and I can assure you, it's built on a pile of spaghetti code that they're never going to fix and won't improve upon. It's beyond frustrating, and just starting over (ie, IpadOS) would be better. I've seen the Linux DE's beat out macOS in these 6 years. There's no reason Apple couldn't.
Some people just want to see the world burn
I think they could merge both. The touch integration into MacOS, and the full fledged computer systems into iPadOS, so they are one and the same, and toggles for interfaces and stuff that could also be automatic when you remove it from the keyboard.
I think you would love an OS terminal app to launch MacOS through a vm within ipad OS
Virtual Mac OS on the iPad is the answer just so you can run Mac software if you need to. Parallels?
@@jakesullivan9179 Terminal? No, emulator.
I’ve watch a LOT of videos on the iPad over the years and on this topic specifically, “why is apple holding it back? Why not give it Mac OS?” I appreciate the refreshing counterpoint of this video in the sea of content arguing for the opposite. Furthermore, it’s the most clear and best presented explanation of the differences between what an iPad can do vs a Mac in the video editing space and beyond. Nice work.
The iPad needs a DeX mode like the Galaxy Tabs have. A desktop style shell with resizeable, windowable apps and a taskbar/dock. Make it only activate when it's docked or used as a laptop, just like DeX. That'd turn it into a true PC replacement.
that would be amazing to use, especially when you could just plug your ipad in, and work on your projects with a large monitor and a keyboard and mouse, then unplug your ipad when you need to go somewhere and even still work on your projects, with the added bonus of being able to use your apple pencil
Well that’s basically already here with Stage Manager no? You can set it so that it is enabled on the external monitor and not the iPad itself.
That would reduce the sales of Mac mini and MacBooks.
@@andreaszweili8593I have both an iPad Pro m1 and a Samsung tab, and trust me, Dex blows stage manager out of the water when it comes to actually being a desktop replacement
Yeah I imagine that would work better. Especially because Android is more flexible in general. However it’s not like the iPad is unusable. I just worked a whole day on the iPad it was quite doable. Granted most of it was remote via SSH but was doable.
I agree that MacOS shouldn’t be on iPad but the iPadOS should have capabilities that a “professional” expects to have. Like he brought up file management which has been kinda improved and I like that you have access to your different cloud storage solutions. I would also like to see iPadOS treat video out differently. 90% of the time, it mirrors the screen the same way you mirror a screen on airplay. It’s full of compression, there’s some slight delay which makes it kinda nauseating if you want to hook it up to a big screen to work on a Google doc which is already painful enough on the iPad, or play some games. I don’t need a full desktop mode but maybe don’t leave it to app developers to support external display to make use of the video out capability of the very expensive tablet I just bought
@@johnolin learn to read
Honestly, if you're going to reprogram IOS to operate like a MAC, why not use the same software and just modify the UI. Lack of the superior Finder, which is tightly integrated in the MacOS, IS what's missing from IOS.
As many others have said, the option to launch a MacOS mode would be nice. I would certainly be much more interested in taking a look at an iPad if they did this. Especially when my 12 inch retina macbook finally kicks the bucket.
i love your videos. I don't use my ipad as much as i probably should but i will definately be giving this Devinci resolve program a try. I never even heard of it before this video.
But it should. At least on the M1 SoC and newer iPads. Basically, M1 and newer iPads are the spiritual successor of the discontinued 12" Macbook in most aspects (other than the lack of keyboard and trackpad, and MacOS).
The only reason Apple will not do this is because it'll cannibalize Macbook sales.
Thing is that I'm not buying a MacBook, but the iPad is a compelling form factor enough to consider it. So it just cannibalizes _all_ sales (at least for me).
Apple realy does not care about cannibalizing thier own product sales, otherwise they would have never let you listen to music on the iPhone. They understand better than most companies that it is much better to self cannibalize than to sit back and leave a good idea>
iPads running macOS would not impact Mac sales at all, after all once you add a keyboard case with trackpad to an iPad and add the additional battery to make it be able to run macOS and have the same batter life the iPad setup would in fact cost users more and make apple a lot more margin as the accessories are way higher margin than the hardware.
I've used an iPad Pro for my work as a classical singer and stage actor for years, and I switched from Windows to MacOS a bit over one year ago because of the fantastic used prices the Mac Mini M1 was going for (Lockdowns weren't kind to stage artists' wallets), but I miss the touchscreen. On Windows I used the touchscreen all the time whether I was making demos or promotional material (videos, photos, flyers, etc.), creating music in my spare time or using Notion.
Storage and assets organisation is also horrific, because file explorer on Windows while not great is decades ahead of MacOS, and don't even get me started on Apple's complete lack of developer support!
iPadOS while theoretically more limited has almost never been a frustrating experience to me. It's logical and friendly and highly conducive to quick turnarounds and creative flow. If anything, I want a juiced-up iPadOS on the Mac.
Except for the 100% unintuitive and clearly inferior to everything Settings app (go Android!), so of course that's what they decided to port to MacOS
On the edit page tab if unhidden, you can highlight the clips then simple “right click, or hold” then the sync audio is there and works great.
Once I e braced iPadOS for what it is and can do/be, I have been in love with my iPad Pro. Really great product. I also enjoyed my limited time with an iPad Mini too. really fun device
You can see hints that they're heading in the direction of enabling the "Pro" features we crave for it when it's docked on a keyboard with a trackpad/mouse. Admittedly it's gotten a LOT better but still feels like there's too much hand holding for what amounts to a Pro device that can cost as much as a new Macbook Pro when kitted out. When they initially said Stage Manager and External Display support would be limited to the M series chips it made me slightly optimistic that they might start developing a "Pro" version of iPadOS strictly limited for the Pro models. I think Samsung's Dex would be a fantastic model to follow if this is where they choose to go for it in the future. Restricting a more mature desktop experience to docked would be a very fair compromise.
As a daily driver of DaVinci Resolve since 2016 (on Windows 10)... I was SUPER excited to use the mobile app on my M1 iPad Pro! I quickly found it to be quite lackluster for what I need to do, so I regrettably uninstalled it from my iPad since it would just slowdown my workflow. I know people use LumaFusion on iPad... but I also found it too troublesome. MacOS and Windows will always be superior for professional video editing workflows in my experience. While iPad does not need MacOS... it certainly needs something akin to Rosetta to run MacOS apps on iPad.
The Deliver Tab is also available on the DaVinci Resolve iPad version. I have used it myself and all the features including exporting into uncompressed YUV 10-bit is available.
I've been using the iPad Pro for note taking for the past 1.5 years and I love it, but as soon as I tried do do something like video edit or make a CAD model (things apple claim the iPad is perfectly capable of) the limitations become painfully apparent. What sucks is that while the iPad is great at what apple intends you to use it for, but unlike a computer there is no ability for the user to create their own use cases. I bought an iPad because apple told me it was good for note taking, but as soon as you try to do something apple didn't think you would want to do, the whole experience breaks down.
The iPad is basically my laptop when I’m not home. There are times I want it to be more laptop like and time when I want it to be a tablet. It succeeds at being a tablet but when I need it to be a laptop it sucks.
Examples being file sharing, the webcam shutting off if I move to another application, the awkwardness of trying to upload or download content to and from the device.
Thing is these annoying quirks aren’t noticeable on the surface, you only notice these limitations when you’ve used it for a while. Those limitations get annoying.
Now imagine, you had 25GB more storage (that's about 1$ in cost), and could dual-boot your device 😄.
I with Apple would be more open to such things, and just allow them.
I think those are issues that can be solved _within_ iPadOS.
@@AntonioNoack 25GB sounds like a misery in an iPad, and I can't see the benefit of dual booting on any device that is not a computer.
@ It’s what I’m trying to say. iPadOS just needs to take some notes from macOS and some quality of life updates.
Agree, the iPad doesn’t need a full version of Mac OS. I think we need a ‘desktop mode’ which is still designed to be used by fingers and pencils. It enable always on dock, multitasking window similar to the ones of stage manager but should not auto-align to a grid. Minimise feature similar to the Mac with swiping the window to the dock being the gesture. The three dot of Mac windows is still there and finally a menu bar which is larger in size but can be hidden unlike Mac.
No that’s basically the same idea. It needs a full MacOS but add a tablet mode to keep the UI feeling when it’s portable. iPadOS and MacOS need to combine not be one or the other.
Engineering work on the iPad. Notability for quick sketches, shaper3D for quick modeling, and excel/sheets for data. OneDrive and Google drive work okay enough. The only thing we’re missing is a mobile 3d print slicer.
As an audio editor with a hint of video I work mostly with iPad and even iPhone, I’d argue that you need to use tools built fully for iPad rather than ported.
I for example use twisted wave rather than Adobe and Pages instead of word.
I do find the lack of ports an issue on iPad, but I think the software is catching up.
My favorite thing about MA-channel is the outdoors-settings and I'm sad every time then it's not the case :(
BLENDER. BLENDER BLENDER BLENDER BLENDER BLENDER. How many must be sacrificed to quench the bloodthirst of Craig Federighi. We have hover cursor, practically necessary for 3D creation. We have the chip. Someone is going to say "We need Xcode!" and "We need Logic Pro!" and more likely "We need Final Cut!" but what we really need is BLENDER.
Now we're talking!
YES!
I'm going to say we need XCode to be burned in a dumpster
You know whatll fix that? Macos 🙄
For dentistry this ends up being really good, lightweight os thats easy to use and does all basic functions one needs. Able to take high quality photos for before and afters. Able to play spotify to patients can listen to music. Pen lets me draw diagrams to patients to explain procedures and issues and small enough to fit between monitors that run windows.
Something to note this is v1.1 of resolve on ipad, fairlight, fusion & possibly the media page are going to be adapted to ipad with time when is a question but they are working on it :)
Respectfully, I don't think this video makes the point you think it's making.
Your point is predicated on the assumption that putting MacOS on the iPad would require exhaustively eliminating iPad-specific features, while I don't think that's true. There's no reason that Apple couldn't expose developer APIs for the specific human interfaces that the iPad has; they already do this for touchpad gestures on MacBooks and the similar-but-different gestures on the Magic Mouse.
MacOS would, if executed correctly, be exclusively a step forward for the iPad, while keeping all of the things we like about it the same.
It feels like he’s making the same an argument in a similar vain of those against allowing side loading. Giving the user more choice doesn’t mean removing pre-existing options or forcing a user to use other ones.
This video just proves it needs MacOS lmao
Nah. We should be able to switch interfaces but I think macOS on it would just defeat the entire purpose of it. If you want to us macOS then you might as well get a MacBook. It’s literally a docked iPad.
@@DrakeDaraitis…Without the Apple Pencil, a wonderful art tool I would like to use.
Exactly. MacOS is much closer to a full experience than iPadOS is. Adding pencil and touch support to MacOS is so much less work than fixing all the artificial barriers Apple put in place in iPadOS.
Ideally, for a period, Apple should give people *gasp*, a choice!
They should make iPadOS a touch optimised version of MacOS, with the same suite of desktop programs available on a Mac. Apple could make a serious Microsoft surface tablet competitor with the iPad Pro, considering the main benefit of that compared to iPads/Galaxy Tabs is that it runs a full desktop operating system
I was a iPad can do everything I need person for years. Finally got back into editing videos, photos. Also wanted to play better games on the go and even start coding some. I ended up more time Remote Desktop to my home pc to do things I wanted to do. Finally broke down and bought my first Mac ever. Love the Mac book and made realize yes. The iPad does need more Mac OS then iOS
I've been using my iPad for drawing concept art and even painting on my models for game design. I can drag and drop a model into icloud and then open it on procreate and I can do light texture work right on the iPad.
I can even sculpt the base overall shapes of my models on nomad (I don't have an m2, just the 10th gen with first gen apple pencil) so I can't take my model all the way, but I can easily transfer it onto my pc and take it the rest of the way on there if I need to.
There are still some things I wish were seamless. I would kill for something like windows without borders (or vastly superior synergy), taking my mouse and keyboard right to the iPad by moving my mouse to the edge of my last monitor. I do that for my mobile studio pro 16, and it let's me use my keyboard for functions as I'm working with the Wacom pen. I absolutely love it.
I think the next app that should come to the iPad is blender, you won't be able to do as much on an iPad as you can on a desktop, but if you're out for travel and you don't want to carry your 24" cintiq pro and your whole set-up, an iPad will be sufficient to do modeling and a bit of texturing
programs shouldn't neet to get made for another os. there are two fine phone operating systems and two fine mainstream productivity operating systems. should be enought
I would appreciate a boot camp for iPad that loads you into macos instead of windows
As someone who uses a Surface Pro without a keyboard most of the time, it remains buggy to use full desktop software on a touchscreen (Though we've had hover over with scrubbing and tooltips for what, a decade) and so not for everyone, but still the iPad is apple's only touchscreen option and so not giving the option for full software is severely limiting.
Additionally, I dock it and use it as my main computer saving money, licences, resources and even apple can appreciate not having to do the cloud sync dance.
I see 2 options, the syplist isto make a mac 2in1, which is an ipad with macOS but it is clear is designed to be with keyboard first and formost but still gives powerusers all the options.
Or the better option is to after an experimental feature toggle maybe somewhat merge macOS and ipadOS wih 2 kernal/system apis coexisting allowing at least the ability to switch between macOS and ipadOS but also have apps from one or the other also exist windowed in the other, think WSL and WSA.
I find neither option very lightly.
My iPad Pro didn’t do much for me but when someone else is using our TV, this is were I’m thankful I have this thing
My biggest issue with macOS is that not even apple themselves seem to support it as a laptop replacement OS. I'm not normally an apple user but i am an app developer for my job. And i am interested in developing apps directly for iOS if only the iPad supported proper development tools like apples own xcode (I'd also want visual studio but I'd only see that happening if apple first made xcode for it themselves). If i could just do the entire app development on one single device that would be great. Instead of having to buy both a Mac and an iPhone. Also they really need to improve file management, i mean i think it's horrendous on macOS already but so much worse still on ipadOS.
Vm app that runs macOS
We’re still missing Xcode, though. That’s probably the biggest sticking point regarding iPadOS.
I’ve always said it needs a dock mode that gives it a full desktop UI that might as well be MacOS. This way, on the go you can use it as an iPad, then when you dock it at home or even just use the keyboard folio you can go into this desktop mode and use it as a laptop
Wouldn't that kill macbooks tho at least The Air?
That's quite the hot take, but I respect the reasoning and actually agree with quite a bit of it. Well done, I didn't think I would be convinced to think twice about Mac OS being on the iPad
rather than full macOS on the ipad, I'd like for the iPad to run macOS apps (with translation layer if needed). macOS can run iPad apps, so I think the reverse should also be possible. there are times where I need a desktop-class apps while on the go, and rather than bringing a laptop with me, an iPad is just more convenient.
I don't think that's a good idea. Mac Apps are not optimised for using iPad hardware, they won't know how to deal with touchscreen or pencil.
Windows apps run just fine with touchscreen, pen, or mouse, or all three combined. I think Apple could make it work if they wanted to.
I think a lot of the arguments in favor of putting MacOS on iPad are actually more about putting touchscreens on Macs (ie “wouldn’t it be good if you could use a Mac workflow and occasionally reach out and tweak stuff in the UI using a finger or Pencil?”). I think iPad would mostly benefit from having apps be less locked-down and tied to the one App Store.
Yes! Especially MacOS with all of the iPads touch features combined into one is what we need
Right! Allow the screen to fold back so you can use it as a touchscreen tablet, or, make the keyboard detachable.
I'm an M1 iPad Pro user and I use it for video editing in Luma Fusion. The only big issue I have with iPad OS is lack of options and granularity for backups. It only supports backing up to iCloud, and does not support excluding certain folders from the backup. I can either back up all my huge transient video editing files to an expensive iCloud storage Subscription, or I can't backup ANY files. The fact that the files app backup is all or nothing, and the fact there is no "time machine" to back up to local storage, is a major pain.
Love the channel. Overly hot recordings are hard to get through.
I had a 10th gen iPad ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxUGaHtKW8MwCql2fPyIm9-ftTqSMzKFFA . Felt it getting pretty slow at times even after doing a reset. So I am using that as a tablet for my 5 year old son and got this 9th gen version. MUCH faster, a little slimmer, smaller bezels, all around a leap forward. Plus, for the price that’s about $130-$150 cheaper than a current new model this is a nice deal. I look forward to the M-series CPUs coming into iPads which will really help future proof these tablets better but these latest CPUs are pretty strong and should do better to last several years with no compromises.
I have to disagree. This is a huge advantage Windows Tablets had over iPad, and might have now that Windows Tablets are coming back and with ARM Windows improving, iPad might get some good competence.
I have a Dell Windows Tablet with Wacom capabilities and it's just a delight to use it. Before buying it I was interested in iPad but come on, you can't have the real office suite, real Adobe CC, the real reliability of a Desktop system.
There are two ways: iPadOS get REAL Desktop capabilities, or MacOS and iPadOS get merged in a universal system that can run both. Because iPad will be just a glorified Netflix screen until it really gets the Desktop experience, it's still a "specific work" device
Honestly, while colour grading on iPad feels better than using mouse, the ditching of micro panel seems weird. It is objectively a better option for a pro colourist, since you can use two trackballs or dials at once which is incredibly useful for creating contrast and tone intuitively. Though for quick editing in absence of professional tools like panels, jog wheel or a trackball, I much prefer using iPad to using my laptop and trackpad - that's totally valid. It's awesome what you can do on set with it.
I have a MacBook Pro & I just got an iPad mini very recently and it's my favorite Apple product. It's so fun to use and boosts my creativity
This is the best LMG channel for sure
The real wonder about DaVnci Resolve on iPad is how much BlackMagic Design has done with all the restrictions Apple places through this approach. I had my 11 inch Ipad Pro M1 connected via a USB C hub to a FocusRite Scarlett 212, a hard drive, and an external monitor. Took me about half a day to get used to using the pencil as my primary tool for editing but by that point I was actually enjoying the process. I cut a video, corrected sound and even managed color grades with that set up, inside 4 hours?
I will say Johnathan's needs are slightly more complicated than most: For quick edits and shiz, basic assemblies, I can see this working well for editors like me, especially when mostly working with 1080 and 4k content, in MOV and MPEG formats. In those cases, it's close to miraculous.
The main thing an iPad lacks that a Mac has is a proper terminal and IDEs in my opinion. Along with supporting more than one external Monitor (also one of the large reasons I don't use a MacBook). I want/need to navigate through most of my computer using the cli.
I don't know if this necessarily will add to the argument for the iPad to stay as an iPad but here goes. I think the trouble with the iPads, and probably tablets in general is that they try to be too many things at once. The laptop is designed to replace the desktop, smartphones are designed to replace the telephone, so I think the best thing for the iPad is that it needs to find something that only it could do very well, and I think that lies with media consumption. It's great for watching videos and movies on the go, playing some games, and reading books. It already has apple's M processors that are capable enough to run games like resident evil village (albeit not in its most detailed setting), so I think having it as a gaming machine that could also do some light productive work would be stellar. Another thing would be that iPad is a great substitute for a book in general. Anything that you can do on a book can be done on the iPad, like taking notes and drawing (on a professional level even). The pencil makes the digital arts use case for the iPad really a compelling point to consider.
I think the thing is that just because the iPad has computer-level hardware, people expect it to become a computer. When the tablet form factor came out I don't think anyone was expecting it to do any desktop-grade workloads on a portable slab like the iPad, people use it for better consumption of media by simply being a portable larger screen. I think that's the key, being a relatively large screen that you can bring anywhere, and that's why I think it's important that the iPad remains as an i-PAD. It shouldn't lose its main appeal.
I don't see why Apple doesn't implement something similar to the SteamDeck. You can have it in 'gaming' mode and 'desktop' mode by pushing a button in the power menu. iPad could easily toggle between what it is now, and a MacOS environment couldn't it? Also, I've recently been using my 11" 2018 iPad Pro in Sidecar and have even set it up as my primary monitor a few times. The screen resolution is certainly sharp enough to be used as an 11" macbook display. The only difficulty was using programs like Adobe Illustrator where I have a large amount of toolbars open on the right hand side of the screen. Otherwise, it was more than sufficient and obviously a fair trade-off for portability.
While there is merit in the apples tablet keeping its own unique identity. There are a lot of ways to enable more/different users without hurting that core identity/use case.
Back in 2008 I had one of the HP Notebooks TouchSmart tx2 and it was cute. I enjoyed using the touch features for taking notes and that was really about it. The issue I ran into is many of the apps or games I was using were not designed to take advantage of the touch features since those were considered secondary. And while the iPad Pro needs to justify its greedy little obsession with all that power, slapping Mac OS on an iPad would be more of a waste than anything else because its not built with touch screen use in mind.
It would be sexy if apple allowed mac programs to just run on an ipad a lot of things would be possible on the go
If they could make something similar to dex mode, call it Cook mode, you get a choice of a desktop environment whenever you need it
I would love to see an ipad supported version of VS code and Xcode. It's perfectly capable and with multitasking it could allow for the app to run while changes are being made during development to see live changes.
VS code for ipad is currently in the works its called VScode server, I had one of the betas and it was pretty good.
ua-cam.com/video/q2viJSYyKio/v-deo.html&ab_channel=VisualStudioCode - here's the offical video for it.
why not have a setting under software update where you can download a fully functional version of macos and you can switch back and forth at will, or once youre in macos you can have the option to delete ipados and just have macos (for people who just want macos/people who want to save space)
To be honest, I think we need support for side-loaded apps and some basic support for x86 apps. I use an iPad as my primary device, but found myself having to reopen my laptop because an art project of mine required some outdated software to program lights. If we just had support for side-loaded apps we could have emulators for other environments. This would make iPads amazing.
I know it’s said in every video Mac Address does but these videos narratives are so well constructed. Keep it up team.
I think they should just give the user the option to either have iPadOS or macOS. You chose which OS it runs, maybe even dual boot it? They could even call it BootCamp for iPad.
Then there would be 0 incentive to improve iPadOS, and no software devs who make interesting desktop class apps (like Resolve) would be interested in putting any time into iPadOS an figuring out the work needed to rebuild your entier UI for touch (this is what takes time). And that time is not time coding but time at a whiteboard or on paper working out what a good UX for touch is when you have 20+ years of indirect mouse input expirance in your app.
@@hishnash it shouldn’t be iPad or MacOS. It should be both. Combined would be like MacOS apps have more room to add features without making and managing a WHOLE NEW app. Just add to the apps they made already. Easier to add than start from scratch when computers are so similar. iPad literally just adds a touch screen and portability. How much more “innovation” is there going to be that justifies MacOS can’t be added to iPad when you can just combine them.
@@ericwheelhouse4371
The answer is philosophy. macOS is very open. For example, you can install third-party OSes on Macs without jailbreaking. On iPad, well, good luck! ✌🏻
That's why I'm opposed to putting iPadOS on Macs. Apple needs to change its philosophy first. Or they can fuck off!!!
@@KhoaNguyen-sy6np …that’s not what I was recommending. iPad needs MacOS with a UI change for iPad when you want the Tablet interface. That’s nothing to do with iPadOS
@@ericwheelhouse4371
That's exactly what I say. What if Apple introduces a lockdown macOS version for iPad? Will it eventually introduce back to Mac? Have you ever heard of "S Mode" on Windows? You are opening a Pandora's box, don't you know?
Until Apple aligns the philosophy of iPadOS with macOS and iPad with Mac, leave macOS alone!!!
logic pro. Although I really would love an iPad version of Ableton.
what is realy needed here is the macOS audio stack, or some other proper plugger able audio stack maybe something like JACK audio from linux.
@@hishnash the audio stack is still there, it's literally just Core Audio on both macOS and i(Pad)OS.
I have a lot of problems with iPads and macs. Allowing macOS on iPads would fix close to all of my problems. Also if it had macOS there could be a switch on which software to choose, so you would gain more choice. I'm nit a hater of your channel (in fact i really like your videos, expecially the 14 plus video), but i really wish either a touchscreen mac or at least macOS on iPad. It would be sooo beneficial.
It’s a common reflex for most people. New software old software -> let’s keep using the old one. The correct flow is to report problems and demand fixes/better features for the new software.
macos wouldn't fit that well on an ipad, however ipad os needs to be a LOT better
Keyboard cases exist
@@jomsies ipad is a tablet , not a laptop.Their usecase is focused around touchscreen experience
Once the EU forces apple to allow sideloading then someone will make an emulator that can get macos on the ipad.
there already is, its called UTM
People still think that not only Apple won't cripple the sideloaded apps, but allow bootloader access? Cute
@@MaxRovensky EXACTLY.
And don’t even get me started on the fact that that is piracy.
and then you can run parallels inside of macOS in iOS on an ipad. I'd love to see how long the battery life would last in that scenario along with how much CPU/RAM and such it would all take up 😂
@@MaxRovensky and then the EU is coming after them.
Can we get more info or a video on that dock that was used with the iPad Pro around 5:49? That thing looks, awesome and is something I have thought about/wanted for some time!
I want my iPad to be the Mac-lite that I throw in my bag every day. A magic slate of glass I can dongle my way to whatever actual work I need to do. It's kind of insane that I can't just open a terminal and prepare a flash drive with diskutil. That I can't open my Serial app and connect to a device I'm working on. That if I don't want one of the limited code editors on iPadOS, I'm going to have to remote into another system to do my work there.
Certainly, there are use cases like the slick video editing presented in here. But there are plenty of us who use our iPads for less creative work, and want the flexibility the hardware is capable of.
Sometimes it's nice having the rounded edges that are impossible to cut yourself with. I like when stuff just works. This is one of the things I love about macOS. It's got enough polish to almost always stay out of my way, but I'm generally free to get behind the curtain when I need to. Just give me the option.
Change the title to: "Stop saying the iPad needs MacOS to edit videos" - There are WAY more use cases to having a full-fledged macOS on a tablet than just video editing. lol
iPad should just quick-boot to MacOS when you connect a keyboard and then have shared storage, shared settings, and some Handoff features. Then you'd get a bonus touchscreen and Pencil input when using MacOS. Disconnect the keyboard and it would go right back to being an iPad and save the MacOS state for when you reconnect the keyboard. They would slowly merge the two operating systems over time (like they're already doing) to make them one seamless OS but quick switching between iPadOS and MacOS is the way to go for the time being.
All I want is to be able to run a dmg on an iPad and maybe have the finder file system alongside it. I don’t want to rely on developers to make an iPad version of apps - especially when it comes to more niche programs like engineering based ones. With a pointer and a keyboard I believe that almost any app could run, especially with Rosetta.
8:38 - Oh nah, that thing is a ticking time bomb. Mine died in months. Backup before you lose everything!
What we need is a Mac with a touchscreen that can use the pencil in the way the iPad does
As a MacBook that'd be a terrible idea due to how much more space the keyboard half of the device takes up compared to the iPad Magic Keyboard. You'd be better off making it a 2-in-1, and as someone who's used those in the past, I can tell you that they come with their own flaws.
A desktop Mac though? Like an iMac? Now you're talking; that'd be like a Microsoft Surface Studio, and with how much more robust macOS and the Apple Pencil are with art, that'd be a very interesting proposition indeed.
It would never happen because Apple is afraid it would cannibalize the sales of iPads (specifically Pro models).
@@sodapone oh yeah, with an “easel stand” that’d be sick. iPads already eat into smaller Cintiq sales, but the bigger ones are still somewhat unique (Surface Studio aside)
Massive respect to the team for making the videos on this channel a different vibe compared to the other LTT videos!
(Ofcourse in a good way)
Oh my god you guys have been typing this on every single one of these Mac Address vids since the channel was created lmao. Give it a rest.
@@tiestofalljays He is fishing for subs.
The iPad Pro needs to ship with three storage drives. A drive dedicated to iPadOS (32GB should be sufficient), a drive dedicated to macOS (32GB might be fine but let's give it 64GB to be safe), and a shared data drive (this would be the capacity you choose when buying the device, the other two cannot be accessed by the end user).
Now if you want to use the iPad as an iPad you do your normal stuff. If you need Mac functionality you restart into macOS and get full Mac capability. If you want to return to the iPad interface you restart into that mode. The dedicated storage drives for iPadOS and macOS would not be user accessable without terminal commands to unlock access, they would only be there for the system so there is always free space to be able to download and install an update to the OS and to prevent the device from being unable to boot up because of a completely full storage drive, something that happens more frequently with iPhones but I wouldn't be surprised if iPads and Macs have the same issue from time to time.
My desire for a MacOS LIKE system on the iPad PRO has been demising with every OS update but we still need a better file explorer. Finder id the only thing we really need on the iPad Pro
It drives me crazy that UA-camrs all think that "Pro" has to mean "for video editing". There are MANY professional uses for iPad and 99% of them are NOT editing videos.
lol can you name a few?
You should use Pages as a word editor on iPad. Word/PowerPoint/Excel are a mess (not only on iPad) when you compared with the iWork suite 😉
As a current user of an iPad Pro, Microsoft already had the ability to switch between Tablet and Desktop modes which changed the UI years ago. I don't understand why we couldn't have this ability of the iPad to fit the need of the person using it. I would love the ability to either use it as an iPad or Desktop depending on the software I'm using.
So I have a different take. I use my iPad for my main computing on the go. I am a student and use it for note taking and anything else that I could possibly use my PC for at home. I personally use the M1 iPad Air with the Magic Keyboard and its light form factor makes it easier for me when I’m already taking so many things to school. I can only imagine that if MacOS came to iPad, there’d be sacrifices that students like myself would make. True, the Surface exists as another alternative that we can use, but OneNote can’t upload full textbooks for editing like Notability can. The unique usage of Apple devices by university students and others in higher education should certainly be considered in Apple’s decision making because even though I’m in grad school now, in undergrad as well, I’d be hard pressed to not find at least half of my classmates using iPads in a similar capacity to how I use them. I think if Apple maybe had something similar to Samsung’s DeX on iPad, that might be a better solution. It may not have all the capability of MacOS, but it could potentially have more desktop capabilities that can be toggled on and off more freely.
I feel like it’d be nice if iPad could switch between a more traditional iPad interface and a Mac one in a similar vein to the Steamdeck’s desktop and gaming mode
The iPad needs MacOS.
In my case, programming microcontrollers like the ESP32 with Arduino. I mean, Apple opened up their USB Driver support on the iPad with iOS 16. (There was some dedicated hardware support available, but it was very, very limited. Mostly for MIDI-Devices, I think). Currently, I need to host a website on my ESP32, so I can access its parameters with my iPad over Wi-Fi. Instead of this method, USB requires less programming to do the same thing. Or Apple should Bluetooth communication easier. (Currently I need a HM-10 Bluetooth adapter for my board for a direct communication). etc. etc. etc.
I’ll be convinced when i can download whatever i want to the i pad and can actually properly program for the i pad on the i pad. Idc about the os as much as i care about flexibility