I Found Incredible Vintage Computers at the VCF Swap Meet 2021
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Thanks PCBWay.com - I went to the amazing vintage computer swap meet hosted by VCF in Wall, NJ, and I found entirely way too many amazing vintage computers! Mac stuff, vintage UNIX machines, and some super funky laptops.
Plus, I got to hang out with Steve from @Mac84 and Mike from Mike's Mac Shack! Check out Steve's finds from the swap meet here: • VCF 2021 Swap Meet Fin... and here: • VCF 2021 Swap Meet Fin...
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Heya, I'm the one who sold you the Compaqs and the Apple monitor, the heads are stuck in the one Compaq drive so that's why it is whining. You'll also want to replace the capacitors in the screens, I had a friend tell me this and he said it made them a lot better.
Heya! Thanks for the great deal :)
The Color Computer 2 only outputs RF, like the Atari 2600 and whatnot. It won't work if you plug it into a composite monitor. You'll need an adapter to convert the RCA jack to F-type, and plug it into an antenna input of a television.
Yep, but the one in the video most likely isn’t.
And cocovga.com gives you vga output.
@TheSatanicCoder it is much better to get a composite mod though. Then you can get composite directly without a VCR. Zippsterzone.com sells a mod among others
Hey there Action Retro,
For the SPARCstation, the physical address errors you are seeing have to do with failed or bad RAM. Try reseating all of the modules, or even take a can of pressured air to the slots before putting them back. If no go, you've got some bad modules, or a bad capacitor near one of the failing slots.
Best Regards,
Brent Pantera
Ah, if only we had meets like this in Canada! It's so hard to find anything here, especially older 90s/80s computers.
Yeah me too there’s just nothing like that here
I'm really hoping that post pandemic events like this gain in popularity.
That tube is not an Apple IIgs tube. It's the high-res, which is meant only for a Mac. This won't work with a IIgs. But the IIgs version looks *almost* identical. You can tell it apart by the angled power LED and a few other subtle cues.
I was going to say just that. One other clue: the power LEDs are at least similar between the Quadra 700 and the monitor from the swap meet.
We really need to expand the retro pc community. Old laptops are so fun to collect. I have tons of old hp ones since my first pc was a hp I stuck with them. Even computers from the 2010s are fun to collect. Have so many cool designs molded into the plastic. I miss when laptops were unique and not just bland aluminum and glass.
The coco 2 isn't Composite, That's an RCA jack for an RF Box. I made the same mistake when I got mine!
I am a little upset that I missed you, I was selling, but probably didn't recognize the voice when you came by!
Best of luck with your finds!!
Oh thanks!! Where was your table?
@@ActionRetro I put out a blanket haha, I was the green toyota between the 60's Buick selling tubes and the 63 Plymouth Valiant. I was selling a few Macs. I have a Two Page display I wanted to get to someone there, but It wouldn't fit in my Corolla with everything else. I ended up picking up a PDP 11/03 and a Sun Enterprise 3500 while there. I went to offload some bulk and came back with more!
@@soeasilynoticed Oh nice, I think I saw you there as well. Oh boy... a two page display? I may be interested if I can find the space for it :-D
So glad UA-cam recommended this channel! I love stuff like this. I'd love to make a pilgrimage to the VCF Swap Meet but I have enough computers already!
that first sun error is a Bad RAM error.. one of the sticks is bad
Also the IDPROM battery is dead - ua-cam.com/video/ql9xo_zhNy0/v-deo.html
LOL at Steve's van!! And he didn't even have the 2 CRT Studio Displays in there yet! I bet sparks were shooting off the back from being overloaded!! LOLOLOLOL
Cool finds! I'm jealous of your Quadra 700 tho lmao
I love your finds and this video. I'm new to your channel and I do alot of drooling when viewing. I haven't seen these machines in many years. I had an 8088 PC back in 1988 and it was a work beast. That was when I could type 102 wpm. Keep up the awesome job.
Thanks!
Dawww I'm jealous! Not necessarily for the kit, but I love fleamarkets and browsing them, so this is quite the luxury you got to have in these times!
Very cool! I used a Sparc 10 and later an Ultra 30 as an engineer right out of college during the early 2000's. Interesting computers and OS....in addition to regular email and office stuff, I primarily used them for 3d modeling, thermal analysis and finite element analysis.
I was baby sitting a SparcStation 5 until 2012.. printed out transcripts for a major Canadian university
So much nostalgia for these Sun workstations. Had a lab full of them at uni in the late 90s. Mainly for running GCC.
Wish there was something similar across the pond in the UK. Looks really cool 👍
When I started working for an ad agency in the late 1990s/early 2000s, the art department had a couple of Quadra 700s and Quadra 650s as well as a Centris 650 or two. That start-up chime triggered a lot of nostalgia.
I love vintage tech but it hurts to see how expensive they can get as someone who just likes to play with them
13:05 My heart stoped when i saw you wiggling and twisting that broken plastic.
I literally didn't notice that until editing the video 😅
1:57 Hell yeah, there I am with the braid!
Quite jealous if your finds, but I got a Commodore 128 out of it, so I can’t complain.
Haha nice!!
Regarding the Ultra 1...that error is it trying to boot from the network and not having a working network connection. We would typically network boot them for reloading purposes...never networked booted to do any actual operations.
Do a update on the UMAX Supermac S900!
How have I never heard of VCF or this swap meet before? I'm in the area, too & will be keeping a lookout for the next one!
The coco video output is RF despite using an rca connector.
Most RF devices use an RCA connector on the device end. Here in Europe even VCRs and such used them.
Such beautiful machines. I've known some of them, like the SUNs and the Mac, since my college days. I've spent a lot of time with nerds like you and me in the 2000s
I own a Quadra 700 and am really looking forward to your plans with it.
Thanks for the footage from the meet up. I love your Quadra and Sun Workstations. I had an Ultra10 years ago, wonderful little box that ignited my love for 90's UNIX boxes.
If the screen on that first Zenith is anything like that of the average Gameboy, the lines can be fixed with a quick reflow of the solder where the ribbon cable joins the display panel. Watch practically any of The Retro Future’s Gameboy restorations (where he isn’t replacing the screen with a modern alternative) to see how Elliot does it.
I don’t like how they put all the computers directly in the sun. Makes me feel like they’re instantly yellowing
Solaris is a UNIX. It's not "UNIX-like". The SS10 can have upto 4*200mhz processors with Ross processors but this is uncommon, single and dual is more common. With SUN's, if you disconnect the keyboard, they default to the serial port for console. Your IDProm is dead. You need to fix the battery, use the OBP to reprogram the chip, run "nvsave". Yes the IDPROM saves the MAC addr but also all the date, time, where to boot, and other variables stored in 'printenv' command. Once you reprogram it from OBP commands, recalculate the checksum, it'll work just fine. If you don't change the battery, it'll lose this when powered off. Ultra1 works the same way. Ultra1 was the first 64bit system. Ultra1's have a green logo on front for SBus video (cg6/leo/etc) and red spot for 24bit Creator3d with UPABus. Speeds are 143mhz, 167mhz and 200mhz for both green and red. You can 'probe-scsi-all' to see what scsi devices they can see. To see all the OBP commands, enter "sifting words". Stop-A will drop you to OBP but be careful not to do this after the system is booted into the O/S as you can corrupt the state of the O/S and kernel data. If the IDProm is dead on a SUN, on a lot of models it will reset the system on startup to "diag-mode" and "mfg-mode" (manufacturing mode). Use printenv/setenv to change this. Also with either of these modes set the system can take upto 10minutes to test things before any serial port or graphical console output. The system may not be dead if it's non-responsive. Just leave it alone. I really hope you have lots of fun with these systems. :) They're wonderful and still supported by NetBSD with current Operating Systems and of course lots of old Solaris stuff. The SS10 may also be able to run NeXTSTEP with 1 processor with some wiggle.
I love these mini CRTs. I really want one especially those PVMs and BVMs under 13 inches. They’re so expensive though
Man, I wish there was a vintage computer swap meet where I live...
Cool score on the Quadra 700 - I want to see you restore it and add a SCSI2SD!
Our Action Retro hero bougth two Suns, and got a Sun-burn…! Not really surprised… ;-) cool finds, keep having fun building your personal museum. I still have a Coco 2 and an Amiga 1000 from 1986, still working.
The image from the camera on that little monitor looks pretty clear. Maybe you can modify the camera part to take an input and have a wireless monitor for older machines?
Gah! I've wanted to go to this for YEARS! I keep missing the dates. And I'm only about 90 minutes away. Hopefully, I'll have better luck attending the October event.
I've been poisoned by the cursed mac, now I want to curse every computer I see
🤣
Just remember that the Sun microsystem computers all have a CMOS battery soldered to the CMOS chip itself so if that battery is dead you will receive an error code on Startup you can just bypass that error code by pressing F1 I believe on the keyboard hopefully unless somebody has tampered with the CMOS chip and added their own custom CMOS to the unit then you're in trouble
I was thinking of getting into retro Macs again this week but decided to get a 2011 Mac mini instead. I'm going to try to run sheepshaver and basilisk II to play all my old childhood favourite games!
Nice finds and love the videos about these classics. Keep up the good work!
Oh man! Good job on getting the Sun stuff! I had a Sun 350 with a 21” monitor back in 1997, but sadly got rid of it when moving out of the dorm that summer. Always wanted to get an IPX. And the AERO 4/25 was my first laptop, and I installed Win95 with a parallel ZIP drive. These are awesome!
You got lucky with the AppleColor monitor. 3 years ago when I got mine for $700 (with a free complete Apple IIgs with high-speed SCSI, a hard drive, 4BM RAM, and a ZIP GSX that came along with it ;o) it worked for about a week before the flyback gave up and made some really nasty arcing noises. So now I'm back on the lookout for another one (or a replacement high-voltage section).
The SS10 has a dead NVRAM battery, of course. Those RAM errors are exactly that: OBP thinks there's an error with the RAM. If you can scare up the documentation (hopefully Oracle hasn't disappeared it), it'll tell you exactly what's where in your SPARCStation 10 (and the Ultra1, too)
The Ultra1 looks to take narrow SCSI, but will need special sleds to properly mount the hard drive. Very lucky the NVRAM is good on that machine. I got a Sun Blade 100 whose NVRAM was stone-dead (and used a different way to restore it to the hostid FAQ I used for my sun4m and sun4c lunchboxes). The Ultra2 I know for a fact takes SCA (wide SCSI in a special connector) and uses a different type of sled.
18:46 This was the standard 13" colour monitor you'd get with a Macintosh II and later. And by standard I mean if you buy a complete configuration from Apple.
Geez, I should have asked more than $50 for my PowerMac 6100/66 DOS Compatible, two Apple 17" graphics monitors, a crate of Mac/Windows CDs and floppies, an iOmega Zip drive with six disks full of Windows 95 and DOS software, an Apple laser-writer printer, a stand-alone HP scanner, a 7-color large-format plotter, a computer desk, mouse, manuals, Apple microphone, external speakers, cables and two extra 8MB SIMM cards. That system kept me in business for ten years running everything from Photoshop to FoxPro to AutoCad to IDRISI GIS on System 7.5, DOS 6.2 and Win 95 (all included). It all worked and I had it booted up in my front yard, and sold it to the first person who looked at it. I had no idea.
That ultra 1 has a video capture board on the right. Early video calls etc. etc.
There's one part of the Sun setup that you're missing (besides the monitor): the mousepad. I should have one somewhere but I think I've misplaced it. It's actually a bit weird that I have one as I've never used a Sun machine. A certain family member probably "borrowed" it from their workplace.
That's only for the optical mice. He has a type 5 keyboard and ball mouse, so he doesn't need that weird grid pad thing.
The siren noise from the Contura is the bad hard drive, both need a new drive and a CR1220 battery to be fully working again. I have a 4/25 with a Japanese keyboard :)
That was a great haul! Someday I'll make it out to one of those :-) I've thought about creating a Rocky Mountain region VCF.
I haven't seen a Sun Sparc in about 20 odd years. For all its coolness and such Sparc never really found a market outside of servers.
Mr Scott, can you reverse the polarity of their shields?? 🤣
Very cool finds. Here is hoping you are able to get the ones that would not boot up working again :)
Love the doctor who quote
I still have a tech manual for the Zenith 8088 - I had one when I was a data engineer. Can send pics of pages if you need stuff. I think I've an old Solaris CD but not sure about versions
Your Sony 17" Monitor supports sync on green!
for the SPARC systems - it's been a long, long time for me but if I remember you can press stop-a and this should get you to the PROM prompt, which I know is where you can specify the hardware MAC address and specify a boot device but other that boot for the default or boot cdrom I can't remember off the top of my head what to do but should be in the old Solaris 8 admin manuals if I remember. Sadly don't think I've still got mine.
16:40 are you sure that's not the hard drive making that noise? heads might be stuck.
as far as the suns are concerned, the SS10 has a stick of bad RAM. the Ultra 1 needs a caddy and an SCA hard drive. 18GB will work nicely and should be plentiful.
I don’t know if it is the hard drive probably bad caps
id buy all of the big foot tx 5.25 hard drives cause there awesome for portable storage on the go
Sadly, I couldn't make it to this VCF Swap Meet, a friend of mine grabbed a bunch of stuff from there, but I was out sick. I didn't know you were in my area(ish), I'm in NJ.
My dad gave me that zenith laptop in the back with dual floppies back in the day. It was my first piece of tech. Never understood what it was for since it never had a hard drive and nothing would install on it
Hey on that TRS-2 computer setup like old way like the way you setup the Atari 2600 with that little converter box in back of the old T.V.
+1 I was a huge fan of the Quadra 700...
FWIW, the console font used on sun workstations can be found as a TTF font these days named "Gallant". I use it (monospace) for my terminal windows on my main computer. :D
Amazing haul! I absolutely love old Zenith Data Systems machines. I wanted to go so badly but I'm in Tennessee and couldn't make it! I'm seriously thinking about doing one of the Computer Reset events though.
Epic video! Amazing finds.
14:40 "First subnotebook or ultraportable machines": Close, but not quite. Google, if you will, "Olivetti Quaderno", released 1992.
I disagree, check out the Poqet PC, released in 1989
@@culttech1473 Yes yes, there was the Poquet PC and the Atari Portfolio (likewise, 1989). Not to discredit those machines at all, they are technical marvels for their time. But realistically, rather than fully featured PCs and what we would nowadays consider "subnotebooks", they really are DOS-based organizers you would primarily use with the on-ROM software.
You and Steve picked up some good finds at this swap meet. I'd like to come to the east coast swap meet in October, but I'm on the east coast of another country (Australia.)
The Apple 13" RGB monitor is a great monitor. That was my first monitor with my first Mac IIcx and an Extended Keyboard and ADB mouse. The sound you hear when you turn it own is just the monitor degaussing - typical of a Sony Trinitron display. You can use an extension to stretch the display to the edges - I can't remember what it was called. You can tweak a pot at the rear for the brightness - these displays had a tendency to go a bit dull.
The mastersport 286 was made for ZDS by Goldstar/ You might find a Goldstar power supply for it.
here comes the Sun, doo doo doo doo
Sun #1: Bad ram error
Contura Aero 4/33C: Bad hard drive. The head is stuck on the platter. The siren noise is the head servo and the platter servo trying to spin. It's "jiggling" at an audio frequency. You might be able to get it running by removing the hard drive, applying external power to it, and while it's making the siren sound smack it with a rubber mallet on the side. While it's trying to spin a little percussive maintenance might make the heads "jump" enough to allow the platters to spin and then allow the heads to park off of the platters like it should have done the last time it was powered off. The drive might run long enough to pull data from it but I wouldn't trust the drive to live a long time.
@12:09 almost looks like a failed memory test, although the address would make it seem to be in an area over 440mb (which is more than the ram in the system), but thats just a guess, but from the error it is stating that data written to that address is showing different once read back as far as i can tell (similar to what you would see doing memtest86)
cool im going to vcf too
Hi Action Retro!
Darn you must be lucky to find such goodies!
Also the G5 at 1:53 must be DARN expensive on eBay
Thats actually a mac pro the powermac g5 had one drive door the mac pros have 2
People want crazy amounts of money, just because of the case. That's a Mac Pro btw (see the two disc drive bays instead of one that the G5 Power Mac would've had)
They dont always have to be expensive, though. I got a PowerMac G5 where the watercooling loop had leaked for €65, ripped out the internals and rusted power supply and modded it to be my windows gaming pc's case. And just yesterday I picked up a fully working 2008 (2 x Quad Core) Mac Pro 2,1 for just €40. Threw a GTX 660ti in it that I had laying around and it makes a great cheap but very capable modern-ish Mac running El Capitan.
@@simonro9168 I mixed up the 2 systems. I got my iMac G5 for 50 during 2008. It was a great deal. But I thought only iMacs had such good prices. Good to know!
I've been on eBay for a long time, mainly as a buyer. I recently tried listing a few items for sale - it ain't like it use to be. Not only does eBay take 25%-33% of your sale, they've added restrictions on the number of sales and the value you can sell each month. In Canada the casual online seller uses Kijiji, but then most buyers expect "garage sale" prices... sigh.
Either somewher in the camera, or somewhere in the receiver monitor you should be able to tap in a composite signal.
But as others have said, that coco only has RF output.
That drive in the first compaq, it sounds like a video I seen recently of a Quantum Daytona with the heads stuck. Apparently these have the same issue as the desktop quantums of that era with melting rubber sticking the heads in the parking position.
Could you tap into a composite pad on the inside of the camera and effectively broadcast the TRS output to the dinky TV? It would be so cool to fit an RCA jack to the bottom of the camera 😃
If you were feeling really intrepid, you could gut the camera and fit the broadcast parts inside the TRS case!
Fn - Alt - Del should bring up a monitor from ROM with some test functions and such on that 8088 Zenith ZFL laptop. I have one of those and I found that out accidentally.
Thank you!!
I love old workstations. Is it Sun, SGI or DEC, I just love these old machines.
"I did improvise one." he said, before plugging the wrong polarity in and frying the unit. (yeah actually happened to me :p)
That almost happened to me. The power adapter included when I bought my HP Palmtop was the wrong style. Fortunately it has enough reverse polarity protection that nothing broke.
Man I wish I knew thats local to me
Sean You Picked Up Some Very Cool Things I'am Sure You Steve And Mike Had A Great Time There At The VCF Swap Meet Between You Three Guys. I hope You Left Some Things For Other People Ha Ha. Can't Waite To See What You Can Do With All The Goodies You Got Maybe Next Year I Will Fly Out There To The Next VCF Swap Meet And Join Up With You Guys. Thank You Very Much For Sharing That Event With All Of US Talk To Later Your Friend Dave
I have some old SGI and Sun software, I don’t have the computers anymore, if you want it I’ll send it to you. I have the install cds for IRIX 6?, and Solaris 7. I also have a bunch of Adobe software for IRIX, though I’m not sure if I still have the serial keys.
Thank you! Mind sending me an email? actionretro@pm.me
Can you explain the purpose of repeating hand gestures while you talk? 0:13
I have a Sun sparcstation ipx and lx, and I just ran Linux on them that I booted over the network
i love how that tiny lcd monitor you have, has mounting points on the back. lmao
I just need to find a heavy duty monitor arm for it
The Quadra 700 was in the movie Jurassic Park
Man...wish I could go to somewhere like that, I've got a Mac Quadra 650 motherboard granted a bit of wear but only the mobo, ram, and motherboard, a keyboard and mouse but with all the adb ends cut :(
I would go to VCF as this sounds like Heaven to me. But I have no way of getting there
Sean, I have an identical Sun keyboard and mouse, if you want them. We used SPARCstations to RIP & drive Xerox Docutechs at my old job years ago. Hit me up on iMessage or Discord if you're interested! :D Also, watch out for that Ultra case - looks like it's cracked pretty bad!
Looks like RAM errors, you'll want to reseat them, and try with less inserted.
I think that dying cat alarm is the hard drive or something I may be wrong but I watched a youtuber back then who told me about that it’s the platters there stuck together and that sound is trying to free it up I could be wrong but I watched a video about this but it’s been a long time ago
WHAT. Why didn't I see VCF Swap Meet was in NJ. I live in Cherry Hill.
To clarify, Solaris is not a UNIX-like OS; it is UNIX derived from AT&T UNIX and fully licensed. SunOS, however, is a BSD derivative and could be described as a UNIX-like OS.
Also. the Suns uses an OpenBoot PROM (just like some Macs). Google will reveal everything you need to know.
Bsd has a real unix lineage. We have source code to all of them at this point, BSD directly derives from the definitive unix, 7th edition.
Subnote @1994? That's surely not first by at least a year or two; my bro had Twinhead (Taiwan) subnote. Around 1993
I have something similar to the 286 laptop , it needs 2 voltages , 6 and 8 volts, i think it's 2 amps or something,
The apple color rgb was for the LC series of Mac’s… I don’t think it was for the apple II…
Vintage hunting FTW!
Sun oh yeah.
Even though I have matching versions of all that sun gear, I'm still jealous. All that stuff has been long gone from the Australian market and is now disturbingly priced
Yup. Supply and demand plus popularity. Personally I love everything vintage computing, but my fear is that I will never use a specific machine that I buy. So my collection is slim and I keep to a few specific platforms, just to actually force my self to use what I own. The worst situation, is to let these machine wait, gather dust and then they are dead once you get around to actually wanting to use them. That is money out the window in my opinion.
i wish i could find that swap meet 5 buckz i been dieing for an old vintege pc
When are you going to install Nextstep on that Sparc 10? :) BTW it needs a new NVRAM chip. You can also cut into the chip package and attach a coin cell.
How do I know this? Look at the ethernet address. It's all A's.
18:42... you mean *Macintosh II*?