I will still die on the Captain Falcon can drive hill. In GX we get a pretty good look at the interior of the blue falcon which looks very much like what you would expect from a normal car. Plus there are scenes of him literally driving around the blue falcon like a normal car on a road to go to a bar. It might not be what we consider a car currently but if you gave Captain Falcon a normal ass wheeled car, I'm 100% sure he could easily drive it because of the similarities to the blue falcon and the other hover vehicles that exist in the F-Zero franchise.
I think people would've been able to agree more if you didn't have a binary "can drive/can't drive" system, maybe if you used a tier list like Schafrillas did in the pizza video where there was room for a bit of nuance? Like, if you had a tier for "Probably can drive" you could put characters like Falco who we have no reason to believe can't drive that same land vehicle that Fox does, or Cpt. Falcon and Samus who are shown to be very good at piloting vehicles and just haven't been shown to pilot a vehicle that is specifically counted as a car by your criteria (but probably could, given the opportunity), or Lucas who can... drive a Pork Bean.
Yes, Shulk never drives the buggy, but there is actually a cutscene at the end of the ether mines in Xenoblade 1 where Shulk drives a vehicle that is basically a crane on wheels. He doesn’t drive it for very long, but he’s still shown to be pretty skilled at controlling it. I actually commented this on the previous video too, btw.
The Blue Falcon and other vehicles are literally cars. If you can drive, you can drive the Blue Falcon (at least if it were slower). If you'd say a Nascar driver can drive, then Captain Falcon can because it is literally just a car. *YOU* are wrong. Also you're talking about a different Zelda due to timeline stuff, so you were right before, the one in Smashcan't drive.
Actually you aren’t wrong about Zelda because the Zelda in smash is not the same Zelda in Age of Calamity. They are 2 separate Zelda’s with completely different abilities.
Yeah, but the lore of Zelda is almost as complicated as the lore of metal gear. Besides, half the things he included in his original video aren't canonical, either.
Yes, Capt. Falcon can drive. The Blue Falcon and other racing machines are cars. Hover cars, but cars nonetheless. Made apparent by the comparison to the Arwings that canonically use the same G-Diffuser technology. Arwings are futuristic planes that can truly fly rather than hover. F-Zero machines are futuristic cars that, beyond floating just above the ground, are affected by gravity and can only maintain airtime for short periods of time after jumping off of something. They're even affected by the terrain they drive "on", taking damage on flaming track, handling slippery on ice track, and falling into the abyss when there's no track. They're cars no matter how hard you try to cope.
@imissnewfelt8283 Not only are F Zero machines not flying cars, but HOVER cars (not the same thing as already explained), but even in media that does feature flying cars, they often are shown moving on some kind of pathway rather than freely flying about like a plane. So even those wouldn't be equatable to planes.
@@imissnewfelt8283 No it's not. Being a foot or so above the ground and falling into the abyss below if you go off the track is not "flying". As opposed to Arwings that use the same technology staying airborne and propelling themselves freely through the air against the force of gravity. Which have to be heavily altered to function like an F Zero Machine as shown in Starfox Command.
But the Zelda in smash is technically a different character than the one in age of calamity. If snake counts as seperate characters id argue the Zelda's do too
But Zelda is also always technically a reincarnation of the same character, meaning that if one Zelda can drive then technically the other Zeldas can as well through being the same person technically. Technically.
@@tigerjupmer123 I thought it was the other way round, that Link carries the spirit of the Hero but isn't explicitly the same character, but Zelda is a reincarnation of the same character each time. But Zelda lore isn't necessarily my forte so I might be wrong about that.
@@sladelucas5531 Actually, I think the only one that TRULY reincarnates is Ganon. Every girl born into that royal family is named Zelda, and they all get the blood of the goddess, while Link carries the spirit of the Hero.
Yo, I was the very first comment on the last video, talking about Zelda. I'm glad you corrected yourself. If you want to get technical, that's not actually the same Zelda, however the lore of these games are super complicated, so I'd say you should count it anyway.
really? in the context of the characters it's very consistent that everyone is a different character unless it's a "direct sequel" which is always obvious imo
For Samus it also might be complicated. In Rocket League for Switch there is a car modeled after her gunship... so maybe she is sitting in there? :D Also whenever she crawls into her Morphball she literally becomes a wheel, a ball shaped wheel but wouldnt be the first time those happened.
8:27 I actually would make the argument that you were still right here, bc the Zelda in Smash is specifically the Link to the Past Zelda, who doesn’t drive ever. Her design is always themed around her Link to the Past version and never gets updated, unlike Link who was updated to his Breath of the Wild design for Ultimate. So yea, I’m deciding that the Zelda in Smash still can’t drive, bc that’s a different Zelda.
Wait, aren't the default mii fighters also default miis in consoles wirh the miis? Therefore they themselves can be in games where they cam drive? Can't think of any examples rn though
Zelda correction is TECHNICALLY incorrect. BotW era Zelda can drive the Master Cycle, but the Zelda in Smash is a fusion of LTTP and LBW Zelda. BUT, her moveset uses the OoT spells AND Phantoms from Spirit Tracks. She's clearly meant to be the general representation of Zelda. So it's fair to give her the correction since there's a version of her that can drive and her Smash rendition isn't specifically representing a singular Zelda. Whereas Link had moveset changes to reference BotW, even reverting the Gale Boomerang back to a regular one since the former isn't in BotW, and Ganondorf got the Sage's Sword replaced with the one from the 3D Zelda tech demo (that was in Melee where OoT Ganondorf debuted as a fighter) as well as his Ganon transformation turned into the OoT version when used to be the TP one.
aight but I still don't understand how kirby can drive what is essentially just a wheel, and pokemon can drive weird pokeball machines, and that all counts, but the blue falcon and landmaster, which are FAR more car like (especially in the case of the blue falcon) don't count just because the blue falcon doesn't have wheels and the landmaster is "a tank not a car" so wheelies from kirby are cars then!?
Can drive as a statement just means capability of driving.and since you DRIVE hover vehicles and even then if you pilot them the skills and even controls still transfer, falcon just needs to adjust to higher friction so this could mean all of the pilots as long as their skills can transfer can drive so falco could theoretically drive thanks to the arwing while Samus couldn’t but eh it’s semantics like with Zelda it both is and isn’t all of the Zelda’s and the miis are weird I’d say you still mostly got it right and it’s all fun and games at the end of the day
I would like to point out something very important to consider when it comes to the landmaster. There are tracked tanks that have the same controls and steering methods as normal cars. Examples: The Tiger 1 and M48A3 Patton ahve normal steering wheels and a lot of modern tanks most notably the M1 Abrams have a steering setup thats very similar to a motorcycle handlebar.
@@speedy_nate only when your channel is in ashes and captain falcon is behind the wheel of a honda civic, driving competently... only then will you have my permission to die
That Captain Falcon rant doesn't make any sense. It's a car with the same system as a modern day car and functions exactly the same way. I never saw the first video by the way.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know how you got gaslit into thinking you were wrong on the Miis when you were actually 100% right. Miis are very much not singular entities - they are more concept than anything. Saying the Miis in Smash are a separate entity to the Miis in other games is just straight up not logical because they aren't any singular entity anyway. But also, there is only a single piece of evidence that the Miis are considered to be Smash exclusive anyway, that being that they are counted as being from the Smash series. Except that isn't entirely true - on the Smash website, when listing characters by series, the Miis are classified as being from the Mii series, meaning that they are objectively and undeniably not Smash original as we have an official source explicitly saying they are from a series before Smash. Therefore, your initial analysis of the Miis would, in fact, be correct.
The problem I have is with your use of the word, "can" (Or "can't".). If you decided thet Capt. Falcon, DOESN'T drive because hover cars don't count, then I might let it slide, but the idea thet the skills wouldn't transfer, to driving normal cars, is just ridiculous.
why are you inconsistent with saying they can/can't drive a car when you also say "they can't drive"? like it just sounds silly because those are 2 wildly different things
Sometimes i look at the cars outside of your window and pretend that theyre all the characters who can drive
that's a lot of characters
Captain falcon is one of them
I will still die on the Captain Falcon can drive hill. In GX we get a pretty good look at the interior of the blue falcon which looks very much like what you would expect from a normal car. Plus there are scenes of him literally driving around the blue falcon like a normal car on a road to go to a bar.
It might not be what we consider a car currently but if you gave Captain Falcon a normal ass wheeled car, I'm 100% sure he could easily drive it because of the similarities to the blue falcon and the other hover vehicles that exist in the F-Zero franchise.
@@Ramirez77 it seems that we will have to agree to disagree
@@speedy_nate in Mario kart 8 you can drive the blue falcon and it drives similarly to other karts so op has a point
@@speedy_natehey you got the sex thing wrong about steve some people do naughty role plays with steve and alex
@@CoffyThecat Doesn’t mean that Steve as a character canonically has done it.
@@speedy_nate 4:35 but deiving the Blue Falcon clearly is a similar experience. Isn’t that enough?
I think people would've been able to agree more if you didn't have a binary "can drive/can't drive" system, maybe if you used a tier list like Schafrillas did in the pizza video where there was room for a bit of nuance?
Like, if you had a tier for "Probably can drive" you could put characters like Falco who we have no reason to believe can't drive that same land vehicle that Fox does, or Cpt. Falcon and Samus who are shown to be very good at piloting vehicles and just haven't been shown to pilot a vehicle that is specifically counted as a car by your criteria (but probably could, given the opportunity), or Lucas who can... drive a Pork Bean.
In mother 3, there are frogs that drive actual cars on roads which is funny
that is kind of terrifying tbh
@@speedy_nateThey are tiny cars tbh so we're all safe
For now
Yes, Shulk never drives the buggy, but there is actually a cutscene at the end of the ether mines in Xenoblade 1 where Shulk drives a vehicle that is basically a crane on wheels. He doesn’t drive it for very long, but he’s still shown to be pretty skilled at controlling it.
I actually commented this on the previous video too, btw.
The Blue Falcon and other vehicles are literally cars. If you can drive, you can drive the Blue Falcon (at least if it were slower). If you'd say a Nascar driver can drive, then Captain Falcon can because it is literally just a car. *YOU* are wrong.
Also you're talking about a different Zelda due to timeline stuff, so you were right before, the one in Smashcan't drive.
Ryu is in Fortnite
It has cars in it that he can drive
3:47 Morgana is a boy. You said "the cat can't drive HERself."
Gotta get that free engagement lmao
Maximilian Dood does it all the time
Actually you aren’t wrong about Zelda because the Zelda in smash is not the same Zelda in Age of Calamity. They are 2 separate Zelda’s with completely different abilities.
Yeah, but the lore of Zelda is almost as complicated as the lore of metal gear. Besides, half the things he included in his original video aren't canonical, either.
Yes, Capt. Falcon can drive. The Blue Falcon and other racing machines are cars. Hover cars, but cars nonetheless. Made apparent by the comparison to the Arwings that canonically use the same G-Diffuser technology. Arwings are futuristic planes that can truly fly rather than hover. F-Zero machines are futuristic cars that, beyond floating just above the ground, are affected by gravity and can only maintain airtime for short periods of time after jumping off of something. They're even affected by the terrain they drive "on", taking damage on flaming track, handling slippery on ice track, and falling into the abyss when there's no track. They're cars no matter how hard you try to cope.
nope, listen, if flying cars are ever invented, you'd fly them, not drive them
@imissnewfelt8283
Not only are F Zero machines not flying cars, but HOVER cars (not the same thing as already explained), but even in media that does feature flying cars, they often are shown moving on some kind of pathway rather than freely flying about like a plane. So even those wouldn't be equatable to planes.
hovering and moving is flying
@@imissnewfelt8283
No it's not. Being a foot or so above the ground and falling into the abyss below if you go off the track is not "flying". As opposed to Arwings that use the same technology staying airborne and propelling themselves freely through the air against the force of gravity. Which have to be heavily altered to function like an F Zero Machine as shown in Starfox Command.
You refused to accept defeat on Captain Falcon being able to drive just to rage bait people, didn't you? /amused
I stand firm on my beliefs, I shall die on this hill
@@speedy_nate well in that case, if his vehicle doesn't count then how could you possibly count the unicycle spheres in the Pokémon game as vehicles?
Also adding on to this, in SF6 (when he came as DLC) he was shown riding a motorbike 7:31
But the Zelda in smash is technically a different character than the one in age of calamity. If snake counts as seperate characters id argue the Zelda's do too
IT'S ALL SO CONFUSING
But Zelda is also always technically a reincarnation of the same character, meaning that if one Zelda can drive then technically the other Zeldas can as well through being the same person technically. Technically.
@@sladelucas5531I thinks it only link who reincarnates
All zelda just have the same name
@@tigerjupmer123 I thought it was the other way round, that Link carries the spirit of the Hero but isn't explicitly the same character, but Zelda is a reincarnation of the same character each time. But Zelda lore isn't necessarily my forte so I might be wrong about that.
@@sladelucas5531 Actually, I think the only one that TRULY reincarnates is Ganon. Every girl born into that royal family is named Zelda, and they all get the blood of the goddess, while Link carries the spirit of the Hero.
If you want to be pedantic about mii drivers, then zelda in smash is not the same Zelda in hyrule warriors so you are right, she cannot drive
Yo, I was the very first comment on the last video, talking about Zelda. I'm glad you corrected yourself. If you want to get technical, that's not actually the same Zelda, however the lore of these games are super complicated, so I'd say you should count it anyway.
really? in the context of the characters it's very consistent that everyone is a different character unless it's a "direct sequel" which is always obvious imo
For Samus it also might be complicated. In Rocket League for Switch there is a car modeled after her gunship... so maybe she is sitting in there? :D
Also whenever she crawls into her Morphball she literally becomes a wheel, a ball shaped wheel but wouldnt be the first time those happened.
if samus is the car, can she be driving the car? thats a deep question
But aren't Rocket League cars RC cars?
8:27 I actually would make the argument that you were still right here, bc the Zelda in Smash is specifically the Link to the Past Zelda, who doesn’t drive ever. Her design is always themed around her Link to the Past version and never gets updated, unlike Link who was updated to his Breath of the Wild design for Ultimate. So yea, I’m deciding that the Zelda in Smash still can’t drive, bc that’s a different Zelda.
Since you're going by that rule with the mii fighters, nobody in smash are the same as the ones in their games.
that terry clip is crazy 💀its so goofy
I can't believe it is real
Can you do one for which smash character has driven a vehicle besides a car(ex. Tanks, Planes, Boats, Hovercraft, Trains, Carriages, etc.)?
That's honestly a really good idea!
I'm pretty sure that is like basically every character but I shall take this into consideration
@@speedy_nate isn't that the point of the challenge tho? to include as much of the roster as possible while keeping the rules clear?
But is Meta Knight in Meta Knight Car Plushie canon
@@oddishsmile7368 i count it
10:59 There is no way you just said that Pikachu evolves into Pichu
with captain falcon: how soon till people bring up the mario kart blue falcon as "proof"
Okay so your definition is a drive in a casual sense must have wheels on it, so no hover, treads, legs, or rails. Did I get that right?
Just remebered that ryu and snake are in fortnite which has cars
Wait, aren't the default mii fighters also default miis in consoles wirh the miis? Therefore they themselves can be in games where they cam drive?
Can't think of any examples rn though
No they are not
To be honest NOBODY in smash bros are canon to their games it's an entirely different universe.
The Landmaster in Starfox 64 is a tank, but the one in Star Fox Assault is a car. (tanks have tracks on the wheels)
Zelda correction is TECHNICALLY incorrect. BotW era Zelda can drive the Master Cycle, but the Zelda in Smash is a fusion of LTTP and LBW Zelda. BUT, her moveset uses the OoT spells AND Phantoms from Spirit Tracks. She's clearly meant to be the general representation of Zelda.
So it's fair to give her the correction since there's a version of her that can drive and her Smash rendition isn't specifically representing a singular Zelda. Whereas Link had moveset changes to reference BotW, even reverting the Gale Boomerang back to a regular one since the former isn't in BotW, and Ganondorf got the Sage's Sword replaced with the one from the 3D Zelda tech demo (that was in Melee where OoT Ganondorf debuted as a fighter) as well as his Ganon transformation turned into the OoT version when used to be the TP one.
aight but I still don't understand how kirby can drive what is essentially just a wheel, and pokemon can drive weird pokeball machines, and that all counts, but the blue falcon and landmaster, which are FAR more car like (especially in the case of the blue falcon) don't count just because the blue falcon doesn't have wheels and the landmaster is "a tank not a car" so wheelies from kirby are cars then!?
Can drive as a statement just means capability of driving.and since you DRIVE hover vehicles and even then if you pilot them the skills and even controls still transfer, falcon just needs to adjust to higher friction so this could mean all of the pilots as long as their skills can transfer can drive so falco could theoretically drive thanks to the arwing while Samus couldn’t but eh it’s semantics like with Zelda it both is and isn’t all of the Zelda’s and the miis are weird I’d say you still mostly got it right and it’s all fun and games at the end of the day
I would like to point out something very important to consider when it comes to the landmaster. There are tracked tanks that have the same controls and steering methods as normal cars. Examples: The Tiger 1 and M48A3 Patton ahve normal steering wheels and a lot of modern tanks most notably the M1 Abrams have a steering setup thats very similar to a motorcycle handlebar.
Morgana (Joker's cat) is a guy btw
I am not a persona player, can you tell?
This mf burnt Kraft mac n' cheese 🤣👉
The Pokemon can NOT drive. Those are not cars, just unicycles with a motor and a helmet on them
I think they are awesome motorcycles and I want one
@@speedy_nate If the Blue Falcon isn't a car just because it flies, I can't justify those balls with wheels being called cars.
I don’t think that Rosalina/Luma should only get a half point if Banjo Kazooie gets a full point.
Pichu is a baby, babies can't drive
maybe not for very long....
PSh. only if you're concerned about "legality". 90s cartoons taught me babies can do anything adults can if they are protagonists.
tell that to baby mario, baby luigi, baby peach, baby daisy, and baby rosalina
Ryu can drive in Fortnite. I don’t know if that counts since it is not a street fighters game
to my knowledge all quest characters come from their universe
Yeah, you're cooked bro
…Sooo… still wrong about the fact that Mute City, Big Blue, and his Blue Falcon is in the DLC of Mario Kart 8, including Deluxe, got it
bro what do you mean captain falcon can't drive i'm going to sue youtube for recommending this video to me
@@kiwi_arms i will die on this hill
@@speedy_nate only when your channel is in ashes and captain falcon is behind the wheel of a honda civic, driving competently... only then will you have my permission to die
4:30 “relieve itself” isn’t good word choice 😭
I tried my best😭
Shulk actually drives a weird crane vehicule at one point if you want to look it up its xenoblade cutscene 39 - changing the future
I'll have to look into it
@@speedy_nateand while you won't count it he also drives a mechanical flying ship
That Captain Falcon rant doesn't make any sense. It's a car with the same system as a modern day car and functions exactly the same way. I never saw the first video by the way.
Surprised to not see a comment yet pointing out morgana got called a her .3.
I just find it funny right after a correction, lol
can you tell I'm not a persona guy?
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know how you got gaslit into thinking you were wrong on the Miis when you were actually 100% right.
Miis are very much not singular entities - they are more concept than anything. Saying the Miis in Smash are a separate entity to the Miis in other games is just straight up not logical because they aren't any singular entity anyway.
But also, there is only a single piece of evidence that the Miis are considered to be Smash exclusive anyway, that being that they are counted as being from the Smash series. Except that isn't entirely true - on the Smash website, when listing characters by series, the Miis are classified as being from the Mii series, meaning that they are objectively and undeniably not Smash original as we have an official source explicitly saying they are from a series before Smash. Therefore, your initial analysis of the Miis would, in fact, be correct.
The problem I have is with your use of the word, "can" (Or "can't".). If you decided thet Capt. Falcon, DOESN'T drive because hover cars don't count, then I might let it slide, but the idea thet the skills wouldn't transfer, to driving normal cars, is just ridiculous.
why are you inconsistent with saying they can/can't drive a car when you also say "they can't drive"?
like it just sounds silly because those are 2 wildly different things
I will not Like and Subscribe until you consider hovercrafts as viable vehicles that you DRIVE!
lmao
Is it just me or does this guy sounds like trump
I don't here it personally