I was on my first med cruise 1982, we hit Naples Italy as our first liberty port, tied up next to the HMS Niad & Fearless just back from the Falklands. Hung out with the Royal Marines that week, went aboard both ships, they had some horrendous stories to tell, showed us the damage onboard both ships and the many men lost. I remember thinking, man I'm glad we don't have to do anything like that, little did we know we'd be in Beirut in a month.
Respect to the British soldiers who fought in that war from an Argentinian. It was a rushed and poorly planned offensive and both sides were underprepared, yet a lot of damage was done on both ends.
@@Nerthos Respect for all armed forces, especially the common soldiers who have been used and abused by evil men. I lost 241 brothers, cowardly murdered on a Sunday morning, the only day of rest for some. We know the truth now of the treachery, evilness perpetrated by our own, as well as supposed trusted allies.
Y’all have a book club. I am so proud of you guys. You know a lot of young men and watching your videos and you’re taking the time to encourage reading. That’s awesome.
logistics are fascinating to me, the art of warfare really lies in stuff like logistics, small unit tactics, communications and combined arms warfare. Weird that most people seem to be interested in war but not in the things that make you win one. I guess it has to be like that so not every soldier would also make an excellent general.
I'll see if I could dig up and share, but a ham radio operator on the Island shared info with a ham operator in London throughout the conflict. When the Argentinians checked in on him he gave them an old transceiver and hooked his remaining rig up to his clothes line for an antenna. The remote location of the Falklands made ham radio very popular there, even for communicating on and between the islands.
Great vid S2.. in regards to come, specifically FM, no matter what, they are "line of sight" only. So you will always need to gain high ground and set up a repeter.
There was an SAS team secretly overlooking the Argentinian airbase that was launching A4 Skyhawks to attack the Taskforce. They radioed in their reports. Their recovery helicopter crashed and they had to hike out to Chile.
When the task force got down there, the SAS had a plan Operation Mikado to land a couple of Heracles on the Argentina homeland where the Gucci* aircraft were, run out do as much damage and then with the pilots escape and evade to Chile
As other commenters have alluded to, the UK was allowed by Chile to operate in certain areas, and stage airfields. This was necessary because the UK used harriers which had vertical liftoff capability, but the fuel usage to do a vertical liftoff from a ship, travel a thousand miles to fire a few missiles was impossible. The airfields they set up in Chile were essential, and quite a big secret. Chile was on quite frosty terms with Argentina due to Argentina talking about going to war and seizing land in Chile/Falklands in order to stir up patriotic support from the populace that was quite fed up with their own government
Losing the helicopters in the Atlantic Conveyor hit the logistics chain hard. Neither troops nor stores could be moved in numbers. The Sea Kings were almost always tired up serving the light gun batteries. It showed that the Royal Marines needed more Bandvagns.
Sat COMMs for data and VOIP is baseline today. Digitally encrypted HF radio is the best backup to close in support. I suggest the NAVY invest in floating repeater stations that can be deployed from sonobuoys or from sub launched buoys.
It was an amazing operation on the part of the UK. I was familiar with the air portion of this. This is great content. I was always taught: Poor logistics on your part is always a force multiplier for Your Enemy.
They really are. It's a very unknown/maligned conflict. There were many true warriors making their bones and too many who lost their lives. Rest in peace to all of the fallen.
It's important to remember that the British use a regimental system where units are garrisoned somewhere and they recruit and train local people who join the regiment. A regiment also has a specific or general specific mission set. Because the regiment trains a lot for this thing it's important to do mission training when the regiment does joint operations.
Luck is where preparation meets opportunity. Sums up the whole campaign. The truly professional force training for the worst case of the Cold War offered the UK commanders many more options than the Argie commanders of 6 week conscripts. I would challenge ANY modern force to day to 'yomp' their way through the rainy winter just north of Antarctica, drinking their water from puddles with iodine tablets (pre gore-tex). Kudos to those Paras and RMs.
Watched it every day on the news as a kid. From what I remember, the Argentines bought their Island land maps from a well-known map shop in London... I remember SAS had to 'borrow' goretex kit from the US. It was all a miracle tbh, especially the Vulcan refueling and bombing run, what was then the longest bombing raids in the world - nearly 4,000 miles (6,400 km). Royal Marines and members of the Parachute Regiment yomped (and tabbed) with their equipment across the islands, covering 56 miles (90 km) in three days carrying 80 pounds (36 kg) loads, then Engaging in Battle...but it all could have been different, The Mirage IIIs had limit their fuel consumption for the roundtrip to the islands making them a match for the Harriers, the Skyhawk numbers were small due to the limited refuelling capacity, and they only had five Excocet capable Super Étendards (thanks for that France! but that's a story in itself). Yes the lone wolf resistance fighter is just a dream... There are no trees and civilians typically wouldn't be armed other than farmers with .22RF or shotgun or unless you were a member of the FIDF. The 57 Royal Marines and 37 members of the FIDF surrendered to the initial invasion force of 600 Argentine Commandos. *There were 8 SBS already on the Islands, but no snipers, and used for recce*
Great book on an ignored topic. Bad logistics will kill you dead. Understanding logistics is more critical than understanding weapons for prepared civilians. I can train an absolute noob to an adequate standard of marksmanship in a few days. Understanding logistics takes a lot more.
I remember watching a video about the UK dusting off some ancient bombers to fly a sortie from the UK to the falklands to bomb the runways and return. If I recall it was a pretty significant undertaking and fly by the seat of your pants mission.
Operation Black Buck - Do some research on it, multiple bombers, back up bombers, multiple tankers, back up tankers and tankers refueling tankers to make it all work, an amazing feat!
It should be noted a Amateur Radio operator sent a message over HF to the UK mainland and the government ignored it, the operator reported a flotilla moving towards the Falklands, 24 hours before the Invasion. During the war we lost a frigate due to switching off defence radar as it was interfering with the SatComm, and as was hit by a French anti ship missile. We had prototype laser cannons fitted to frigates to burn out the retinas of pilots eyes, and was somewhat effective. Prepared citizens, it would be good to have HF voice and data (WinLink, FT8). VHF/UHF handportable and LoRa Meshtastic - it covers Dx, regional and local comms challenges. God bless.
It's important to remember the training part. There are individual soldier skills and then training to put it all together under a command post to give the effort unty of effort and purpose
Great review, will have to add this book to library. You may consider The Squad and intelligence ops of Michael Collins by T. RYLE DWYER next. I am half way done and learning alot. Cheers
i remember hearing the war on shortwave before i became a ham i was a cb and shortwave guy . like i tell folks commo needs to be right after food fire water shelter. good video
Great topic! The Falklands War was actually pretty brutal from the stories I've heard. Also logistics(obviously on a tiny scale compared to that of a nation at war) is overlooked by so many in the modern minutemen/prepardness community.
I remenber having talked with a guy in a (ironicly of all places) 7dtd discord channel, turns out the guy was mine clearer in the falklands war, he told me a bit on how the situation went, of how panicked the argentinians were, being that sometimes they left entire stocks of yet to be planted mines on a rock, or how sometimes ill prepared AT mines were left too sensitive and without a metal ring turning soldiers into mist, or how this was the first fight with ultra light mines which can and did drift out of the fields.
This is a great review. I definitely was skeptical how anything from that war would be useful for the prepared citizen but definitely some lessons to be had and interesting nonetheless.
Any books on the intelligence topic would be greatly appreciated. A reference for the logistics issue, particularly as it applies to guerilla support/action also appreciated.
Anybody know if he's done any videos on cache's? Not really someone that was in our training regiment in the military but here in Nebraska having at least 1 setup as a contingency, supply, or resupply would be very useful. The land here is very dynamic so having that alternate gear would be handy. Given my situation i know what direction im heading if things go sideways and have multiple routes. Id just like to setup at least a cache or two en route on my primary or at least along one or two alternate paths.
If the british lost the maldeves all those rich bankers would lose their shadow money. So at least we know why that tiny argentinian island was worth those hundreds of british lives
It's not an Argentinian island it never has been. You are you so in favour of Argentina, is it a hatred to the Britishers or a love of the Argentinian conquistadors. What propaganda have you educated yourself with?
W.T.F. are you talking about? Maldeves or Malvinas? And what's that got to do with Banking? it's two islands mostly inhabited by sheep (and now minefields).
@@LoremIpsum1970 I think they recently managed to clean the island of explosives, it took a very long time. I think he is confused with what they say about the British virgin islands and the like. The original comment at the top is wrong on many fronts The only correct thing is British soldiers died. I only believe he mentioned that was to gouge more of a pro Argentina message
@@LaLaLoaded You only have to look at the channel, though not pro-Arg, but anti-banking/asset management...obviously hasn't a clue as to just how much private money is held in trusts... If Liberator wanted to be pro-Arg, could have stated the only civilian casualties (3) were FF by the RN. The Maldives certainly would have been a different experience altogether ☀🏝
@@LoremIpsum1970 @LoremIpsum1970 yes , anti banking but not to the execution of a pro Argentina front, this may all come from the "British" 'protecting banking interest in the Falklands' It's the 'politics'(his banking conspiracy for the war) effecting his geopolitical view How he refers to the Falklands as what he believes to be the 'Argentinian name' My apologies I should have written it better and explained what I ment. I still find it amusing he called it the Maldives It's why I said they were never Argentinas because it's true for Maldives and Falklands He probably ment 'malvinas'
America didn't learn anything, judging by our aliuminum naval vessels. And, right now, our expeditionary logistics base, the RRF, Ready Reserve Fleet is beset with problems, including crippling manpower shortage, and ships that are 50+ years old.
A war basically approved behind the scenes by America. A war they couldn't have fought without America helping them with bases ships and logistics. Even though it went against their agenda of improving relations in South America. L America, L Britain.
Ah yes, that time the UK deployed nuclear armed submarines to the south atlantic during the cold war and the only reason they didn't kill us all was because the USA slapped them on the head and sent them to their room.
It's nice to listen to educated intelligent presentation that's not trying to sell me something from one of their sponsors 👍
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics," Sun Tzu
I was on my first med cruise 1982, we hit Naples Italy as our first liberty port, tied up next to the HMS Niad & Fearless just back from the Falklands. Hung out with the Royal Marines that week, went aboard both ships, they had some horrendous stories to tell, showed us the damage onboard both ships and the many men lost. I remember thinking, man I'm glad we don't have to do anything like that, little did we know we'd be in Beirut in a month.
Respect to the British soldiers who fought in that war from an Argentinian. It was a rushed and poorly planned offensive and both sides were underprepared, yet a lot of damage was done on both ends.
@@Nerthos Respect for all armed forces, especially the common soldiers who have been used and abused by evil men. I lost 241 brothers, cowardly murdered on a Sunday morning, the only day of rest for some. We know the truth now of the treachery, evilness perpetrated by our own, as well as supposed trusted allies.
Y’all have a book club. I am so proud of you guys. You know a lot of young men and watching your videos and you’re taking the time to encourage reading. That’s awesome.
Some of us have been involved with military logistics since the 1990s, and read books.
One of the many young men reading in part for S2U, who couldn’t agree more
I wonder if Total Resistance by H. Von Dach been added to the book club?
Very good. Keep it up S2!
logistics are fascinating to me, the art of warfare really lies in stuff like logistics, small unit tactics, communications and combined arms warfare. Weird that most people seem to be interested in war but not in the things that make you win one. I guess it has to be like that so not every soldier would also make an excellent general.
I'll see if I could dig up and share, but a ham radio operator on the Island shared info with a ham operator in London throughout the conflict. When the Argentinians checked in on him he gave them an old transceiver and hooked his remaining rig up to his clothes line for an antenna. The remote location of the Falklands made ham radio very popular there, even for communicating on and between the islands.
Thanks S2. This was really good. I appreciate your time and effort.
Great vid S2.. in regards to come, specifically FM, no matter what, they are "line of sight" only. So you will always need to gain high ground and set up a repeter.
Or use a Balloon Borne Antenna ;-)
There was an SAS team secretly overlooking the Argentinian airbase that was launching A4 Skyhawks to attack the Taskforce. They radioed in their reports. Their recovery helicopter crashed and they had to hike out to Chile.
When the task force got down there, the SAS had a plan Operation Mikado to land a couple of Heracles on the Argentina homeland where the Gucci* aircraft were, run out do as much damage and then with the pilots escape and evade to Chile
“Fight in the shade” is my new favorite phrase
As other commenters have alluded to, the UK was allowed by Chile to operate in certain areas, and stage airfields. This was necessary because the UK used harriers which had vertical liftoff capability, but the fuel usage to do a vertical liftoff from a ship, travel a thousand miles to fire a few missiles was impossible. The airfields they set up in Chile were essential, and quite a big secret. Chile was on quite frosty terms with Argentina due to Argentina talking about going to war and seizing land in Chile/Falklands in order to stir up patriotic support from the populace that was quite fed up with their own government
Losing the helicopters in the Atlantic Conveyor hit the logistics chain hard. Neither troops nor stores could be moved in numbers. The Sea Kings were almost always tired up serving the light gun batteries. It showed that the Royal Marines needed more Bandvagns.
Sat COMMs for data and VOIP is baseline today. Digitally encrypted HF radio is the best backup to close in support. I suggest the NAVY invest in floating repeater stations that can be deployed from sonobuoys or from sub launched buoys.
Or drone, to stay with the action.
Starlink is, or can be, small footprint. Think smartphone size.
This one has truly been on my to-read pile for about 2 years. Maybe I’ll actually read it now!
It’s important to note that in 1982.
The UK had troops with both Cold War commitment in Europe and internal security in the province.
It was an amazing operation on the part of the UK. I was familiar with the air portion of this. This is great content. I was always taught: Poor logistics on your part is always a force multiplier for Your Enemy.
I worked with a few British veterans of the Falkland war. good guys.
They really are.
It's a very unknown/maligned conflict.
There were many true warriors making their bones and too many who lost their lives.
Rest in peace to all of the fallen.
@@scrappydoo7887 Unknown to Americans maybe. It's Britbong lore over here
@@SodaPrezsing Britbong?
It's important to remember that the British use a regimental system where units are garrisoned somewhere and they recruit and train local people who join the regiment. A regiment also has a specific or general specific mission set. Because the regiment trains a lot for this thing it's important to do mission training when the regiment does joint operations.
Luck is where preparation meets opportunity. Sums up the whole campaign. The truly professional force training for the worst case of the Cold War offered the UK commanders many more options than the Argie commanders of 6 week conscripts. I would challenge ANY modern force to day to 'yomp' their way through the rainy winter just north of Antarctica, drinking their water from puddles with iodine tablets (pre gore-tex). Kudos to those Paras and RMs.
NO WAY! I can't tell you how excited I am for this! I love this channel! ❤
Watched it every day on the news as a kid. From what I remember, the Argentines bought their Island land maps from a well-known map shop in London... I remember SAS had to 'borrow' goretex kit from the US. It was all a miracle tbh, especially the Vulcan refueling and bombing run, what was then the longest bombing raids in the world - nearly 4,000 miles (6,400 km). Royal Marines and members of the Parachute Regiment yomped (and tabbed) with their equipment across the islands, covering 56 miles (90 km) in three days carrying 80 pounds (36 kg) loads, then Engaging in Battle...but it all could have been different, The Mirage IIIs had limit their fuel consumption for the roundtrip to the islands making them a match for the Harriers, the Skyhawk numbers were small due to the limited refuelling capacity, and they only had five Excocet capable Super Étendards (thanks for that France! but that's a story in itself).
Yes the lone wolf resistance fighter is just a dream... There are no trees and civilians typically wouldn't be armed other than farmers with .22RF or shotgun or unless you were a member of the FIDF. The 57 Royal Marines and 37 members of the FIDF surrendered to the initial invasion force of 600 Argentine Commandos. *There were 8 SBS already on the Islands, but no snipers, and used for recce*
The Brits had US Navy-Roosevelt Roads NAS in Puerto Rico that provided lots of Logistical and Medical support
Thank you for covering this 👍
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Great book on an ignored topic. Bad logistics will kill you dead. Understanding logistics is more critical than understanding weapons for prepared civilians. I can train an absolute noob to an adequate standard of marksmanship in a few days. Understanding logistics takes a lot more.
Bad logistics costed Argentima the war
I remember watching a video about the UK dusting off some ancient bombers to fly a sortie from the UK to the falklands to bomb the runways and return. If I recall it was a pretty significant undertaking and fly by the seat of your pants mission.
it was the longest range strike in history at the time it was done
Operation Black Buck - Do some research on it, multiple bombers, back up bombers, multiple tankers, back up tankers and tankers refueling tankers to make it all work, an amazing feat!
Great video on an underrated subject matter.
I've had this in my saved for later cart on Amazon so I'm glad you did this review.
It should be noted a Amateur Radio operator sent a message over HF to the UK mainland and the government ignored it, the operator reported a flotilla moving towards the Falklands, 24 hours before the Invasion.
During the war we lost a frigate due to switching off defence radar as it was interfering with the SatComm, and as was hit by a French anti ship missile. We had prototype laser cannons fitted to frigates to burn out the retinas of pilots eyes, and was somewhat effective.
Prepared citizens, it would be good to have HF voice and data (WinLink, FT8). VHF/UHF handportable and LoRa Meshtastic - it covers Dx, regional and local comms challenges. God bless.
It's important to remember the training part. There are individual soldier skills and then training to put it all together under a command post to give the effort unty of effort and purpose
AH S2 it’s a sexy time!!!🤣🤣👍 awesome topic love this stuff.
Would love to see a book review of logistics of Napoleon in Russia…thanks
Great review, will have to add this book to library. You may consider The Squad and intelligence ops of Michael Collins by T. RYLE DWYER next. I am half way done and learning alot. Cheers
I read this book years ago, it's a good read with some funny lines.
i remember hearing the war on shortwave before i became a ham i was a cb and shortwave guy . like i tell folks commo needs to be right after food fire water shelter. good video
The USMC said it was possible. It scared the willies out of the Soviets.
Great topic! The Falklands War was actually pretty brutal from the stories I've heard. Also logistics(obviously on a tiny scale compared to that of a nation at war) is overlooked by so many in the modern minutemen/prepardness community.
I remenber having talked with a guy in a (ironicly of all places) 7dtd discord channel, turns out the guy was mine clearer in the falklands war, he told me a bit on how the situation went, of how panicked the argentinians were, being that sometimes they left entire stocks of yet to be planted mines on a rock, or how sometimes ill prepared AT mines were left too sensitive and without a metal ring turning soldiers into mist, or how this was the first fight with ultra light mines which can and did drift out of the fields.
Excellent review and discussion. 👍🏻
People - especially anyone with pretensions to military competence - needs to study this war carefully.
I really enjoyed this video. The points you bring up are certainly something to consider even on the micro level of self sustainment.
“If there was one guy on a mountaintop with a long range HF radio and a pair of binoculars…”
There was one Falkland islander who did just that.
Generals talk tactics. Legends talk logistics.
Love the info in the book club! ✔️
This is a great review. I definitely was skeptical how anything from that war would be useful for the prepared citizen but definitely some lessons to be had and interesting nonetheless.
Any books on the intelligence topic would be greatly appreciated. A reference for the logistics issue, particularly as it applies to guerilla support/action also appreciated.
Hundreds of personnel is a bit of a subject that deserves more explanation given the Exocet hits ect.
256 Brits died. I am not sure if that includes the civilian casualties in the Islands themselves.
@@clangerbasherit’s not 1 civ died from shelling.
@@kekistanimememan170 Really? So what happened to Mrs Doreen Bonner, Mrs Mary Goodwin and Mrs Susan Whitley then?
I love these posts please keep this up you're the best
When the time comes, can I share your shade?
Good stuff.
You mentioned military use of hf radio, russia has been observed keeping channel markers operating. Not sure of the validity but it would mKe sense
Anybody know if he's done any videos on cache's? Not really someone that was in our training regiment in the military but here in Nebraska having at least 1 setup as a contingency, supply, or resupply would be very useful. The land here is very dynamic so having that alternate gear would be handy.
Given my situation i know what direction im heading if things go sideways and have multiple routes. Id just like to setup at least a cache or two en route on my primary or at least along one or two alternate paths.
Others have , just search the topic . Lots of videos out there .
See the description says tbd for the next book is there somewhere to keep up to date on the next book(s)?
Is HF traceable by near pier enemy?
Woooo hooo logistics! squeeeee
This video is 13 days old? Never showed up in feed or subscriptions. I know people talked about missing videos before, first time I experienced it
logistics in the falklands. both sides: the tactics worked better than they had any right to..
13:53 Red Storm rising Iceland portions in a nutshell
If governments are fast enough to respond to military threats, it wouldn't have become a military threat.
My loggie ass looking like the Django “You will?” meme whenever someone brings up sustainment
Didnt the british empire have centuries of experience in expeditionary warfare?
maybe, do a review of what you think of dragon os...
If the british lost the maldeves all those rich bankers would lose their shadow money. So at least we know why that tiny argentinian island was worth those hundreds of british lives
It's not an Argentinian island it never has been.
You are you so in favour of Argentina, is it a hatred to the Britishers or a love of the Argentinian conquistadors.
What propaganda have you educated yourself with?
W.T.F. are you talking about? Maldeves or Malvinas? And what's that got to do with Banking? it's two islands mostly inhabited by sheep (and now minefields).
@@LoremIpsum1970 I think they recently managed to clean the island of explosives, it took a very long time.
I think he is confused with what they say about the British virgin islands and the like.
The original comment at the top is wrong on many fronts
The only correct thing is British soldiers died.
I only believe he mentioned that was to gouge more of a pro Argentina message
@@LaLaLoaded You only have to look at the channel, though not pro-Arg, but anti-banking/asset management...obviously hasn't a clue as to just how much private money is held in trusts... If Liberator wanted to be pro-Arg, could have stated the only civilian casualties (3) were FF by the RN. The Maldives certainly would have been a different experience altogether
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@@LoremIpsum1970 @LoremIpsum1970 yes , anti banking but not to the execution of a pro Argentina front, this may all come from the "British" 'protecting banking interest in the Falklands'
It's the 'politics'(his banking conspiracy for the war) effecting his geopolitical view
How he refers to the Falklands as what he believes to be the 'Argentinian name'
My apologies I should have written it better and explained what I ment.
I still find it amusing he called it the Maldives
It's why I said they were never Argentinas because it's true for Maldives and Falklands
He probably ment 'malvinas'
America didn't learn anything, judging by our aliuminum naval vessels.
And, right now, our expeditionary logistics base, the RRF, Ready Reserve Fleet is beset with problems, including crippling manpower shortage, and ships that are 50+ years old.
joke a side I am excited for this
Cool
A war basically approved behind the scenes by America. A war they couldn't have fought without America helping them with bases ships and logistics. Even though it went against their agenda of improving relations in South America. L America, L Britain.
Bump
I dont know how to read, I am a luddite.
just use scotch tape till its waterproof and "unbreakable"
I was a year old...
Pet peeve- Falklands conflict not 'war'. War was never declared.
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Ah yes, that time the UK deployed nuclear armed submarines to the south atlantic during the cold war and the only reason they didn't kill us all was because the USA slapped them on the head and sent them to their room.
joe will say the The future is so bright that you will need to wear shades...from china.
Intel drives the battle, logistics feed it!
United Kingdom learned not to build ships of war out of aluminum. 😂😂