Beat me to it lmao, Morde passive does a non negotiable amount of constant damage and a good amount of MS, if Vars considers Darius passive as part of this group he should've included Morde passive
Swain e is so bad that if you can’t dodge it even with raylais your just bad. Yes some cases sure. But the fact that you need an item to land his main engage tool is dumb. Imagine if naut can’t hook until first item. I can’t wait for his rework.
Morde is count for infinite duration but i think the other not, the reason is jax,irelia and wukong got stat before they reach max stat so what they do is just increase stat.but for morde and darius they need to attack few time before they passive to active and then they need to attack to extended the duration.
I wouldn't say it's infinite duration, more like indefinite duration. It will last as long as a certain condition is met, but it does not last forever.
I love the vid but i find the distinction hard to make, what makes darius hemorage a infinite duration ability but not morde passive, or jax passive, or lillia passive, irelia passive ect. Keep up the good work :)
I think he's separating them because when darius gets full stacks he gets a sort of second passive, that being noxian might, while others don't get any extra buff other than the one said stacks provide.
Honestly I wouldn’t put Darius on this list, not because it doesn’t technically count but because adding him to the list opens a HUGE can of worms as to what defines an “infinite duration” ability. What about X-hit passives like Kaisa and Vayne? What about offensive stat buffs like Jax, Irelia and Mordekaiser? What about abilities that can be deactivated by the enemy team but don’t apply direct pressure in fights, like Evelynn? The term “infinite duration” is so broad in this case that it loses almost all of its meaning.
Someone said darius may count because of noxian might, the passive of hemorrhage. It puts him in an infinite state of might as kong as he keeps attacking.
@@keeganhand1915 Right, like I said, he technically counts, but it’s really hard to define what “infinite duration” means if so many abilities fall into that category.
@@decidueyezealot8611 She's not that far off I feel. She needs a new and better passive instead of a really low power armour/mr buff with every drake killed but is kinda fine other than that.
thank you mr. varus! very good video! I think RYZE would benefit from this type of spell, making him enter the RUNE STATE and empowering his famous EQ blast.
He used to have a "Super Sayin" spell; Desperate power, gave him MS and spell vamp, and turned all his spells into splash AoE He has had 5 or so reworks tho XD
Neeko's passive is also technically an infinite duration ability. Not only because she can be disguised forever, but also because she gets the benefit of dodging/avoiding damage via not being affected by it (Jinx rocket when she's disguised as a minion) or directly not being targeted (turret shots when she's disguised as a ward).
Shyvana’s ult fits as a steroid ult and forever ability. With enough attack speed and ability haste, you generate fury fast enough to stay a dragon indefinitely. (Haste matters for your Q, it’s 2 autos so it generates double fury)
i remember a clash in wich i picked jarvan supp only because the enemy team had an olaf, every time olaf ulted i ulted him and jumped out with q+e, infinite abilities are probably the kinda ones that motivate you to play outside the box, by far the best design in league
3:14 İsn't anivia's ultimate also an ability with theoretically infinite duration as long as you maintain your mana, and in fact it has to build up over time effectively gaining power and effectiveness the longer you maintain it?
Aphelios Chakram stacks are infinite duration kinda (you can stack up to 20 and if you are using the off hand auto conditions when using other spells you're not limited by 50 ammo technically) you need to stay in combat with the white gun to keep the stacks, but the stacks are also objects themselves so if you have 20 (max stacks) and yasuo, braum or samira walls your white auto you lose them all.
Then there's arena., where, even if an infinite ability is properly baited and punished, it comes back up thanks to plants, just in time for the fire circle to close in.
At 11:10 you talk about swain being 130% , while syndra drops to 100%,so swain has more pressure. I don't think it matters that much. when swain is even at 150%, he can be one shot by sundra standard combo. So, I think it is balanced on, not the ability itself, but the entire champion being much weaker until he reaches a certain thresold of power, for example, swain reaching 190% before he actually becomes a champion. Similarly, Darius basically has no passive till he reaches the fifth stack, and so on.
I'd argue that another aspect an infinite duration ability that differs from toggles (and things like darius passive) for example, is that it's not ADDED damage. Instead it makes the champion do more damage because it's SUPPLEMENTED. Darius passive isn't infinite duration considering that it only ADDS damage to his kit, not supplements it; while Olaf ult allows him to do more damage BECAUSE of its infinite duration, therefore it supplements his damage. Swain ult, same thing, allows him to live longer in order to do more damage over time; zeri chain autos supplements her inability to shoot through targets, be able to kite easier with the movement speed, and thus makes it easier to do more damage. It's about how the duration makes the champion do more damage, not about how the duration does damage and I think that is what should determine what is considered an "infinite duration" ability. Ashe passive would be a much better example than darius passive. For Ashe she does more damage because she slows enemies down so long as she's attacking the enemy. Both passives have the same conditions to meet - attack the enemy - yet one only adds damage (and in itself darius passive is a condition for his ultimate too some could argue), while the other allows the champion to do more damage because of the duration of the passive.
I find them pretty fine, I mean in this high damage meta it not like they can just slam their face into the enemy team willy nilly and get value if the enemy team knows what they are doing. Well maybe Darius can cause that bugger can build beefy and still knock your head off, but that's always been his thing.
people saying that if darius counts so jax lillia and other shit should aswell dont really get the point. It's not about the bleed we are talking about, its about the ad buff he gets as long as the passive is running. jax and lillia get stacks and thats about it, darius gets a bonus effect (bonus ad) just like olaf gets unstoppable. it is different from the rest of the list but with a few others its the only one that can fit the description.
You gave an idea for Renekton’s ult, so it’s only fair that I give an idea for Nasus. Maybe he could extend his ult by stacking. Lol that’s too op though, his stacking would get wayyyy out of control
if master yi could lane effectively on top you would want to avoid him when E is up and retaliate when it's off bel veth, on the other hand, can stack true damage on you with no downtime an other example
I don’t think passives should count in this. If we do then briar passive, morde passive, sivir passive, Ashe passive, etc., are all infinite duration abilities.
i think the problem is HOW they are implemented,or better off the context of it what does Olaf R counter? CC,so the most affected champions will be mages and tanks who have the least capacity of escaping him? also mages and tanks who are usually very slow which means they screwed over twice over by his R while other champions might be significantly less affected
great vid as always. i think though passives that can be applied infinitely should be in a different classification. as a few said darius and morde have similar passives with up time, lillia as long as she can hit you with something, to similar extent id say Kayles passive is inifinite and i do mean prior to lvl 16 as long as she autos anything. ASOL Q is also infinite once its maxed. I also really hate briars Ult its so effin obnoxious with only counter play is dodging the R entirely or kill her which is hard to do for most champs.
Only ability on this list that I hate is Briar's. If this hits you in a 1v1. She can literally unplug her mouse and keyboard and still kill you. Even if you have a gold lead on her, it gives her so many raw stats some champions can neither run from her nor fight her in that state.
That's the point of her entire kit. Pay attention to the global atomic Sound effect that plays and just stand out of the way for a few seconds so you don't get an overpowered vampire exploding on your ass
Would that not also classify ramping passives as well? Another one I can think of off the top of my head would be Jax passive, which using the logic in Darius passive, could last forever if he keeps auto attacking.
I'm gonna list a few I consider infinate: Aurelion sol Q Brand passive (?) Draven Q Lilia passive (?) Mordekaiser Passive Shyvana R These aren't really infinite, but so long as you get a takedown they are: Aatrox R Ahri R Bel'Veth R Darius R Jinx Passive Master Yi R Vayne R
So if infinite duration abilities, are abilities that can last forever if the conditions are right, isn´t Warwick´s W technically an infinite duration ability as well? I mean if you count Darius´ passive, why not the attack- and movementspeed buff on Warwick´s W.
I feel you miss on this video concept Mordekaiser pasive Jayce w for mana Vayne w if you think about infinite damage and infinite scaling healt All these are also "infinity" abilities, and like you said and have their counterplay. this concept off infinite abilities is so generic Correct me if i'am grong And if i miss somenthing you said, sorry i'am not a native English spekeear
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Is it too early to make a video how Hwei is forgotten already now ? I sincerely thought today... wait, there was a new Mage which everyone played... and i did not see him in weeks anymore.
Im sorry but hemmorrage isnt an infinite duration ability bro XD. By that logic wed have to count half the passives in the game, morde irelia jax etc. What was bro smoking with this.
she stays frenzied infinitely. tbh it’s the most infinite of the ones in the thumbnail cuz those all require you to be in the presence of a champ and do stuff. briar you can hit r and take ur hands off the keyboard technically
Try playing other mobas, They're so bland. not shilling League but I give credit where they're due. LIke infinite stacks, infinite duration, barely any memes in other mobas cause they're so simple. The few things I want League have: Bash system, BKB and Satanic.
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Yorick's ultimate is an infinite ability, no conditions.
true but it’s also got a stupidly long cool down if it’s killed and the maiden AI can be really stupid sometimes
technically true, but if we follow that line of logic, wouldn't heimer turrets and yorick ghouls also be infinite abilities?
I think Vars missed a point about how it's cooldown can be bypassed by enough duration.
autos are technically infinite too 🤓
@merdricon autos are more of a low cooldown single use ability
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Beat me to it lmao, Morde passive does a non negotiable amount of constant damage and a good amount of MS, if Vars considers Darius passive as part of this group he should've included Morde passive
Oh that's right. I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT MORDEKAISER PASSIVE LMAO
And A. Sol's q at rank 5
@@Gabriel_custodio195 Asol Q at level five is more of a toggle id say
@@Gabriel_custodio195 technically not.
you'd think that the solution is running away, but try being an immobile adc against Swain with Rylai's and see how it feels
Not to mention, his e is designed to punish just that
And during Swain R, his E cd is reduced by 20% i think 😅@@deonm4759
Feels awesome because that champ is trash and I one shot him anyways
@@deonm4759any person who isn’t AI can dodge a swain e lmao
Swain e is so bad that if you can’t dodge it even with raylais your just bad. Yes some cases sure. But the fact that you need an item to land his main engage tool is dumb. Imagine if naut can’t hook until first item. I can’t wait for his rework.
technically every passive passive is an infinite duration ability that can only be countered by Death, making Death the best form of CC no contest.
Everytime Vars says "Noxian Might" i can only hear Skooch's version 😂
*NOXIAN MIGHT!*
If Darius passive counts then Irelia's passive should count as infinite too, same for garen's passive
Well in that case, Morde, Wukong and Jax passive should be included as well. And many more.
Morde is count for infinite duration but i think the other not, the reason is jax,irelia and wukong got stat before they reach max stat so what they do is just increase stat.but for morde and darius they need to attack few time before they passive to active and then they need to attack to extended the duration.
I love it when my dip stick partner in arena just sits in Swain ult for the whole round.
I wouldn't say it's infinite duration, more like indefinite duration. It will last as long as a certain condition is met, but it does not last forever.
I love the vid but i find the distinction hard to make, what makes darius hemorage a infinite duration ability but not morde passive, or jax passive, or lillia passive, irelia passive ect.
Keep up the good work :)
I think he's separating them because when darius gets full stacks he gets a sort of second passive, that being noxian might, while others don't get any extra buff other than the one said stacks provide.
@@SamElZombie ooooh okk that makes sense
Thanks :)
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Mordekaiser passive counts as an infinite duration ability my bad lol
I agree. The lines are incredibly blurry.
Honestly I wouldn’t put Darius on this list, not because it doesn’t technically count but because adding him to the list opens a HUGE can of worms as to what defines an “infinite duration” ability. What about X-hit passives like Kaisa and Vayne? What about offensive stat buffs like Jax, Irelia and Mordekaiser? What about abilities that can be deactivated by the enemy team but don’t apply direct pressure in fights, like Evelynn? The term “infinite duration” is so broad in this case that it loses almost all of its meaning.
Someone said darius may count because of noxian might, the passive of hemorrhage. It puts him in an infinite state of might as kong as he keeps attacking.
@@keeganhand1915 Right, like I said, he technically counts, but it’s really hard to define what “infinite duration” means if so many abilities fall into that category.
@@alexdenslow7095 vayne is 3 hitpassive
Mentioned mordes ult, but not his passive (infinite abilty) which is why his deathrealm is so scary
Pretty sure Shyvana's dragon form with ult, is infinite, so long as you got something to attack.
Well, you need Rank 3 R, 2,5 Attack Speed and a target standing still to pull that off
@@Wavinto yeah so it's the same as zeri or swain or olaf ult. You need to keep attacking enemies to maintain them.
Not for shyvana @@jakebennett9130
True but she requires so much that its not viable @jakebennett9130
@@decidueyezealot8611 She's not that far off I feel. She needs a new and better passive instead of a really low power armour/mr buff with every drake killed but is kinda fine other than that.
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thank you mr. varus! very good video! I think RYZE would benefit from this type of spell, making him enter the RUNE STATE and empowering his famous EQ blast.
He used to have a "Super Sayin" spell; Desperate power, gave him MS and spell vamp, and turned all his spells into splash AoE
He has had 5 or so reworks tho XD
Neeko's passive is also technically an infinite duration ability.
Not only because she can be disguised forever, but also because she gets the benefit of dodging/avoiding damage via not being affected by it (Jinx rocket when she's disguised as a minion) or directly not being targeted (turret shots when she's disguised as a ward).
Shyvana’s ult fits as a steroid ult and forever ability. With enough attack speed and ability haste, you generate fury fast enough to stay a dragon indefinitely. (Haste matters for your Q, it’s 2 autos so it generates double fury)
i remember a clash in wich i picked jarvan supp only because the enemy team had an olaf, every time olaf ulted i ulted him and jumped out with q+e, infinite abilities are probably the kinda ones that motivate you to play outside the box, by far the best design in league
briar ult blood frenzy chasing through true stealth is very handy
3:14 İsn't anivia's ultimate also an ability with theoretically infinite duration as long as you maintain your mana, and in fact it has to build up over time effectively gaining power and effectiveness the longer you maintain it?
Aphelios Chakram stacks are infinite duration kinda (you can stack up to 20 and if you are using the off hand auto conditions when using other spells you're not limited by 50 ammo technically) you need to stay in combat with the white gun to keep the stacks, but the stacks are also objects themselves so if you have 20 (max stacks) and yasuo, braum or samira walls your white auto you lose them all.
Then there's arena., where, even if an infinite ability is properly baited and punished, it comes back up thanks to plants, just in time for the fire circle to close in.
My team's AFK is infinite.
At 11:10 you talk about swain being 130% , while syndra drops to 100%,so swain has more pressure. I don't think it matters that much. when swain is even at 150%, he can be one shot by sundra standard combo. So, I think it is balanced on, not the ability itself, but the entire champion being much weaker until he reaches a certain thresold of power, for example, swain reaching 190% before he actually becomes a champion. Similarly, Darius basically has no passive till he reaches the fifth stack, and so on.
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I'd argue that another aspect an infinite duration ability that differs from toggles (and things like darius passive) for example, is that it's not ADDED damage. Instead it makes the champion do more damage because it's SUPPLEMENTED. Darius passive isn't infinite duration considering that it only ADDS damage to his kit, not supplements it; while Olaf ult allows him to do more damage BECAUSE of its infinite duration, therefore it supplements his damage. Swain ult, same thing, allows him to live longer in order to do more damage over time; zeri chain autos supplements her inability to shoot through targets, be able to kite easier with the movement speed, and thus makes it easier to do more damage.
It's about how the duration makes the champion do more damage, not about how the duration does damage and I think that is what should determine what is considered an "infinite duration" ability.
Ashe passive would be a much better example than darius passive. For Ashe she does more damage because she slows enemies down so long as she's attacking the enemy. Both passives have the same conditions to meet - attack the enemy - yet one only adds damage (and in itself darius passive is a condition for his ultimate too some could argue), while the other allows the champion to do more damage because of the duration of the passive.
2:18 Urgot’s W has 0 cd when it becomes a toggle at level 9…
Viego passive could technically last forever as long as there's enemies to kill lol
mord passive would be a forever ability as so long as he hitting someone he will have it around him
I would say jinx's pow pow is a infinite duration ability as it gives her 130% AS as long as she attacks anything
The "RESET" mechanics are the most overpowered.
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I find them pretty fine, I mean in this high damage meta it not like they can just slam their face into the enemy team willy nilly and get value if the enemy team knows what they are doing. Well maybe Darius can cause that bugger can build beefy and still knock your head off, but that's always been his thing.
people saying that if darius counts so jax lillia and other shit should aswell dont really get the point. It's not about the bleed we are talking about, its about the ad buff he gets as long as the passive is running.
jax and lillia get stacks and thats about it, darius gets a bonus effect (bonus ad) just like olaf gets unstoppable. it is different from the rest of the list but with a few others its the only one that can fit the description.
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i would consider heimers Q an infinite duration ability too
Hey Vars where did you get these HD ability icons from?
Swain ult being made infinite was the dumbest most unnecessary buff ever added in recent seasons
You gave an idea for Renekton’s ult, so it’s only fair that I give an idea for Nasus. Maybe he could extend his ult by stacking. Lol that’s too op though, his stacking would get wayyyy out of control
how did you talk about mordekaiser and somehow still miss him as also having a forever ability
if master yi could lane effectively on top
you would want to avoid him when E is up and retaliate when it's off
bel veth, on the other hand, can stack true damage on you with no downtime
an other example
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Zeri's infinite speed is not real, it can wear off by just whiffing a singular Q
Rell's passive is considered too? It's like a Darius Passive bur stealing armor and MR instead of doing damage
Wouldn’t morde’s passive count as a forever ability too
How about Draven's juggling? You can say lots of the same things about his axes in the air as you do with these other abilities.
Graves E passive and Jax passive also counts as infinite I think.
I don’t think passives should count in this. If we do then briar passive, morde passive, sivir passive, Ashe passive, etc., are all infinite duration abilities.
i think the problem is HOW they are implemented,or better off the context of it
what does Olaf R counter?
CC,so the most affected champions will be mages and tanks
who have the least capacity of escaping him?
also mages and tanks who are usually very slow
which means they screwed over twice over by his R while other champions might be significantly less affected
great vid as always. i think though passives that can be applied infinitely should be in a different classification. as a few said darius and morde have similar passives with up time, lillia as long as she can hit you with something, to similar extent id say Kayles passive is inifinite and i do mean prior to lvl 16 as long as she autos anything. ASOL Q is also infinite once its maxed. I also really hate briars Ult its so effin obnoxious with only counter play is dodging the R entirely or kill her which is hard to do for most champs.
Asol q wouldn’t count cuz it uses mana although he has said mord passive would count he just forgot
The counterplay to Briar's R is that she runs in a straight line towards you. Very easy to line up skillshots or flash over a wall.
Does Mordekaiser's passive count as this, or does it only refresh on monsters and not enemy champions?
Xin zhao R shouldve been here too!
I might be wrong but isn't Asol's Q also infinite at rank 5 like Urgot's W?
Only ability on this list that I hate is Briar's.
If this hits you in a 1v1. She can literally unplug her mouse and keyboard and still kill you. Even if you have a gold lead on her, it gives her so many raw stats some champions can neither run from her nor fight her in that state.
That's the point of her entire kit. Pay attention to the global atomic Sound effect that plays and just stand out of the way for a few seconds so you don't get an overpowered vampire exploding on your ass
Yuumi's W can be considered infinite
Would that not also classify ramping passives as well? Another one I can think of off the top of my head would be Jax passive, which using the logic in Darius passive, could last forever if he keeps auto attacking.
What about samira ult, what does that count as
I'm gonna list a few I consider infinate:
Aurelion sol Q
Brand passive (?)
Draven Q
Lilia passive (?)
Mordekaiser Passive
Shyvana R
These aren't really infinite, but so long as you get a takedown they are:
Aatrox R
Ahri R
Bel'Veth R
Darius R
Jinx Passive
Master Yi R
Vayne R
Lillia’s ms passive is on her q
@@eddietuggles3679 her burn will last forever if you keep landing abilities
It's that why Darius is OP in low elo since he have both resetting and infinite abilities?
How about dravens q or w
draven's W is a maybe, since he would run out of mana eventually, q fits perfectly tho.
If you consider passive, why not consider twitch poison or kayle passive ? Or maybe belveth passive ?
So if infinite duration abilities, are abilities that can last forever if the conditions are right, isn´t Warwick´s W technically an infinite duration ability as well? I mean if you count Darius´ passive, why not the attack- and movementspeed buff on Warwick´s W.
Forgot shyvana ult and master yi ult. Theoretically infinity but realistically you ran out of stuff to kill
shivana ult can last forever right
I feel you miss on this video concept
Mordekaiser pasive
Jayce w for mana
Vayne w if you think about infinite damage and infinite scaling healt
All these are also "infinity" abilities, and like you said and have their counterplay.
this concept off infinite abilities is so generic
Correct me if i'am grong
And if i miss somenthing you said, sorry i'am not a native English spekeear
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I dont mean to sound rude but the sharpness of the letter 'S' annoys me everytime to the point that it is my main focus for the majority of the video but i still enjoy your videos thought i would inform you.
Great video, Keep it up ❤ .
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Anivia ult?
Draven axe spin?
if Olaf and Darius count, why doesn't Shyvana? Or did you just forget about muh best gurl?
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I don't think Briar's ult counts as an infinite ability.
How? It's practically infinite of she doesn't cancel.
briars doesnt feel infinite and darius' isnt really an ability but i guess they kinda fit the definition
Is it too early to make a video how Hwei is forgotten already now ?
I sincerely thought today... wait, there was a new Mage which everyone played... and i did not see him in weeks anymore.
Xin sao ultimate is infinite too i think
Nobody's talking about Ezreal's passive in the comments, hello???
Make malzahar R to an infinite ability - thx
shyvana ult.
Olaf is too busted and Zeri’s too weak.
Sound guy - your bass is WAYYY above the normal, its impossible to head the video with speakers :(
Draven Q
Im sorry but hemmorrage isnt an infinite duration ability bro XD. By that logic wed have to count half the passives in the game, morde irelia jax etc. What was bro smoking with this.
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Anivia R, Hiemerdinger Q also infinite abilites
I wouldn't call Anivia R an infinite ability. Cuz u are going to run out of mana at some point.
did u even watch the video
Vars forget to mention that "The cooldown is able to be bypassed by enough duration."
It's a toggle ability, which he said was different
...TRUE infinity duration ability is kayle passive. 😂 It takes forever to reach.😂.
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I don’t think Briar’s Certain Death is an infinite ability.
Not in normal league, in URF its a different story if she builds heartsteel XD
It lasts infinite to whoever u hit with r
she stays frenzied infinitely. tbh it’s the most infinite of the ones in the thumbnail cuz those all require you to be in the presence of a champ and do stuff. briar you can hit r and take ur hands off the keyboard technically
It's infinite unless you cancel it or get the kill
Well it doesn't have a duration
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Try playing other mobas, They're so bland. not shilling League but I give credit where they're due. LIke infinite stacks, infinite duration, barely any memes in other mobas cause they're so simple.
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