HEATED Israel Debate: Destiny Vs. Omar Baddar
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- Destiny and Omar Baddar debate Israel, Gaza, and Hamas in the second edition of CounterPoints Friday show!
Timestamps:
(00:00)Intro
(2:07)Campus Protests
(15:32)1 State vs 2 State
(29:58)Great March of Return
(44:14)Israeli Military/Human Shields
(1:08:46)Famine/Blockade
(1:36:47)Is Israel Committing Genocide?
(1:47:41)Closing Thoughts
(2:00:24)End Of Show
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ryan saying hes going to fact check destiny then not saying a peep when he realizes hes wrong is so hilarious
Ryan is such a clown lmao. Emily handled this like a champ.
There is nothing Destiny said that made Ryan believe he's wrong. Destiny is still spewing Israeli propaganda.
nah pretty sure it was because there was nothing substantive to fact check (there's no "hands up" versus "running away" in this context -- they're in an open air prison, walking toward the wall, the insane hyper-abstracted nonsense Dorkstonery brought up is just irrelevant on its face)
Essentially, what Destiny would be stating, if what he said was true, is that all Israeli citizens that were killed on October 7th would in fact be deemed as IDF militants, and hence, no civilians would have been killed that day, except for the Israeli children (which it turns out a lot of them were actually killed by the IDF).
I live in the region and I see the facts on daily basis. Destiny is literally wrong on every level. He is clueless and just repeats the same propaganda
You can’t see him but if you listen closely you can hear Saagar in the back punching a wall everytime he looks over and sees Destiny’s outfit.
This is gold
🤣🤣🤣
I don't get it
Legend has it that the wall never recovered.
He probably passed out when destiny was talking about turning cookies into rockets 🍪 🚀 😂
Ryan: "You're wrong about this."
Ryan: _Fact checks it_
Ryan: _Doesn't bring it back up after realising Destiny was correct_
I love biased moderators. Thanks, Breaking Points!
He was wrong though.. you can't shoot unarmed enemy combatants unless they pose a direct threat... those are just rules of engagement.
Was taught this before I went to Afghanistan.
@@maxmorrill3808🤣😂 you should do basic Google searches before lying as well as you know...... doing a stolen Valor shtick
@@maxmorrill3808you were taught this as a very specific instruction for the rules of Afghanistan. We mill folks were given that order because we determined the allotted risk was low enough that we could afford to not shoot first. That is NOT the LOAC policy.
@@THEKNIGHT108”no you didn’t and if you did you were the exception” head ahhhh
@@Lost-mb1gj literally not even close to what I said, your lack of comprehension is astounding.
I said he was taught that as a policy, one pushed upon members of the US because we could afford to based upon risk assessments. It was never as a matter of the LOAC.
Find you a girl that looks at you the way Ryan looks at Omar
Underrated comment 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
His girlfriend does porn
Cry more littel baby.
"We're two more virtue signals away from freeing the Palestinian people" 😂
Amazing line.
Peak internet brain
What a vile and disgusting human being. You can see that in his cold dead eyes
@@Dudemeister cope
@@info_dash313 no it’s truly bizarre to think people that oppose genocide are doing it for virtue signaling rather than because they fundamentally oppose genocide. It takes a professional troll like Destiny to interpret it that way
If i hadn't read the comments i would have never guessed this guy Ryan was supposed to be a moderator 😂
He's actually a pretty good journalist
@@ChrisAlbertH47he should stick to that because moderating isn’t it fam
@@ChrisAlbertH47 Propaganda is not journalism
@jshv73 how the f**k is anyone supposed to 'moderate' Destiny? He's like Ben Shapiro after 237 lines of the finest Colombian marching powder. He literally CAN'T shut the f**k up for 5 seconds.
As a wise man recently told him, he truly is a FANTASTIC moron.
Pro Palestinian? Moderate? Not likely...
Destiny absolutely demolished this, couldn’t believe Omar had nothing of substance to refute any argument Destiny made
Destiny's arguments were very bad.
The fact Omar can never concede to even minor criticism of his side makes it hard to take him seriously.
He's 100 percent wrong 100 percent of the time. I'm surprised he didn't just scream the buzzwords for 2 hours straight
His ideology doesn’t let him. He’s not a free thinker.
Hamas and lack of peace is the fault of Israel. Indoctrinating the next generation to kill Jews is the fault of Israel. The Palestinian are the perfect victims.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 lmao, Omar wiped the floor with mr. Bonelli's face. You guys are the ultimate combination of delusionals and Dunning Kruger effect. Thanks for the laughter 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
@@Lesleris if you use 1 more emoji you'll have enough copium to accept how badly Omar got dumpstered. Lol🤣😂
Emily is the referee, and Ryan is Omar's corner man.
Because it's hard to defend what Mr Borelli is saying.
Yeah even Emily didn't want to be in destiny's corner on this one 😂😂😂
@@ErenYaegerPhilosophy if you're a politically correct media man it is hard not to fall in line with whatever the "correct" opinion of the day😒
@@ErenYaegerPhilosophy Mr Borelli! Mr. Morelli! Lol
@@firefly9838 All mainstream media is spouting what Mr. Borelli is saying.
I meant someone with a consciousness and empathy can't defend the position.
Mr. Morelli is just doing this for sport he previously said he doesn't feel empathy.
Ryan seriously distrusts US intelligence out of hand, but accepts Russian intelligence without question? That’s nuts.
What has Russian intelligence ever been wrong about? Do you want to go over all the times US intelligence has been wrong?
Where on earth did you get that from? When did he say that?
@@mdhamerly he did say he doesn't trust US and Israeli intelligence
To be fair, he admitted that he doesn't trust anyone, equally. I think it's stupid, a certain level of skepticism is good, but obviously there are sources that are more reliable than others. Ryan sells himself as an anti-establishment "journalist" who fights impartially and courageously for the truth, when in reality, like much of the people in the alternative media, most of his activity is "America bad" propaganda.
I am sure he trusts the intelligence but he doesn't trust the governments in question to speak the truth. They have been caught lying so many time it really is scary. What Hamas did is bad enough why would you lie about beheaded babies, the systemic use of rape, Etc, Etc.
Ryan - you're not a moderator, you picked a side from the get go, and half an hour in you already lied so much its insane. Retire, thank you❤
Amen 😂😂😂😂😂
he didnt lie, he is just wrong. he fact checked destiny and when he found out the facts didnt fit his narrative he just stfu😂
Lying implies he knows the answer instead of just saying shit he’s ignorant of
This 2v1 is hilarious. Ryan keeps chiming in with irrelevant points pretending to be gotchas 🤣🤣
Yeah the 'cookies are dedly' guy make zero sense.
@@RobPiresso what were the two main ingredients for rocket fuel please answer
@@jaysmith3546 cookies and candies? Sugar? Even water can help create rockets. Lets deprive palestinian kids of sugar and water so that Destiny and you can sleep at night.
Who moderates the moderator?
@@jaysmith3546uranium?
Curious when a moderator says he will fact check points and not say his finding.
Makes one wonder what he saw and why he was silent
No conspiracy here. IHL is substantial and complex, so it takes time to find what you look. Here you go:
"At times, civilians may take part in hostilities without formally belonging to any regular armed force. This may happen, most notably, in the context of spontaneous uprisings in occupied territories. It may also occur in other armed conflicts where the distinction between civilians and combatants becomes more difficult. In such cases, civilians who directly take part in hostilities temporarily lose the protection provided for civilians, but only for the duration of their participation in the hostilities (API Art. 51.3, APII Art. 13.3). In such cases, if captured, they may benefit from the status of prisoner of war (API Art. 45).
In case of doubt concerning the status of an individual who does not fall into one of the categories of combatants as defined by the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols, he or she must be considered a civilian (API Art. 50)."
So, if unarmed, it is a civilian.
@@AlexV6By your understanding. You don’t need to be armed to be taking part in an active conflict zone (Carrying ammunition, Being an artillery spotter, Saboteurs and etc.).
@@olknoxlo Correct.
"According to the Third Geneva Convention, combatants are:
members of the armed forces of a party to the conflict, as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces (GCIII Art. 4.a.1); or
members of regular armed forces, even those that profess allegiance to a government or authority not recognized by the adverse power (GCIII Art. 4.a.3); or
members of other militias and members of volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements belonging to a party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:
that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
that of carrying arms openly;
that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war (GCIII Art. 4.a.2);
inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war (GCIII Art. 4.a.6).
"
@@AlexV6 How the hell is that your takeaway?
If a civilian participates in hostilities, they lose civilian status. There was no mention of weapons at all.
@@AlexV6Mind blowing take away from that if you are being serious.
The real villain is destinys barber
it's rich of you to imply he has a barber at all lol
With all that UA-cam cash he can afford a better barber
he has a giant cloudy mushroom on his head. I guess that fits with his job occupation
The more people talk about his hair, clothes or relationships, the more it's obvious they have nothing else to criticize. That's also why he kept his blue hair for so long - it triggered the hell out of people.
We a got a bald man vs mushroom head. This is one of the eras of all time
The Genocide is happening in such slow motion that its reversed.....
Lmao that was the funniest part
@@simonjaz1279 He's talking about after Oct.7
@@TRINI818 yeah and guess what? Its not a genocide....its just war. Cope with the facts however u want
@@simonjaz1279What military does Palestine have? Call it what it is, it’s an occupation.
@@simonjaz1279 "genocide- the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."
Israel has not only killed probably around 50,000 people, mostly women and children, but destroyed hospitals, schools, universities, libraries and even cemeteries. So Israel is mudering huge amounts of civilians, making Gaza unliveable and destroying Palestinian's past, present and future.
Now you tell me how this reality does not meet the definition of genocide.
Looool. That blokes face after he googled IHL.
Ryan Grim didn’t even pretend to be a moderator.
I mean when one person is a literal man child justifying murdering children. Kinda hard...
@@automaticcaptions Emily did fine. 🤷♂️
@@automaticcaptionsthis child like mindset is why people you should never engage this topic.
All you want to hear is your narrative.
Stop watching debates.
@@automaticcaptionsthe irony of your statement here and anyone that likes this comment. Oh geez. You have no idea.
@@gregorygriffin9582 I mean she has been pro killing children so she just needed to stay quiet lol
Ryan: "This is not true, we are gonna look this up." Says nothing further after... Man, where did you find this guy?
It is true in the context of an enemy that does not accept surrender
@@atlehman69 which Mr. Borelli beforehand clarifies that those are two separate things
Well it is true in this matter because Israel had made shure to show everyone how willing they are to buther people who surrender
@@T11P04 No, how can you accept surrender when you blow a guy up with a bomb, or snipe him down from 500m away.
What you wrote doesn't make sense in a lot of scenarios for how we currently fight wars.
“Hamas is using cookies to make rockets” Destiney May 3, 2024. I guess Ryan couldn’t fact check this and many other similar facts Destiney puked, so Destiney wins.
Guerrilla tactics have been used across the world without having to hide behind civilians
Exactly, Guerillas actually hid out in the forests AWAY FROM THE VILLAGES in southeast asia.
@@Kinhussar hell, even our own civil and revolutionary war saw Americans using guerilla warfare
So stupid …comparing Gaza with south east Asia 😂
@@Kinhussar How many forests are there in Gaza?
@@roughlygalaxy “I have to hide behind women and children because there aren’t any forests!”
The forests were helpful, but the Vietnamese’s primary resource was tunnels, something hamas knows about and chooses to build under civilians. The Vietcong built over 200 miles of tunnels.
The host (the man) is constantly on the side of Omar. Rather annoying and unprofessional.
Because he is a joke of a man
How can anyone be on the side of Steven? He's an annoying piece of shit who's Is down playing a genocide.
Unprofessional would be playing “both sides” when the entire international community describes what is happening as an ethnic cleaning
@@PSYxTV True, but that’s not what the entire community thinks.
@@thewatchtower8330 sorry, but your not going to gaslight me friend
When Emily looks over at Destiny’s paper and looks at the ADHD doodles 😂
She did not look comfortable sitting next to and being associated with him.
Im sure steve felt the same@@ghostpiratelechuck2259
@@ghostpiratelechuck2259projecting hard
@ghostpiratelechuck2259 wow please provide us with more of your body language mastery workshop for all future videos 😮
@@ghostpiratelechuck2259she literally laughed with destiny's "Finkelstein is wrong" clap back lol
Whatever happened to the fact check at 36 minutes? The hosts never addressed it again.
Well I just looked it up and it looks to me like Destiny was right. So I guess that’s why.
@@popermen694actually not really true. Laying down your arms and surrendering is protected, but laying down arms and retreating is not. But there is precedent that retreating is protected if the other party's actions shows they do not accept surrender (which happened and which is a war crime).
@@ibrahimabenemy officers often aren’t carrying weapons and are valid targets.
Enemies spotting artillery with binoculars, clearing barbed wire in front of a trench with wire cutters, etc.. they are all valid targets.
Enemy soldiers are targets whether they are armed or not.
@@ibrahimabcorrect.
@@ibrahimab What did Israel do to show that they wouldn't accept surrender? (just want to be more educated)
>Baddar: “Israel’s intention is the absolute erasure of Palestinians”
>Destiny: “Then how is it that the population of Palestinians has exploded in the Gaza Strip over…”
>Baddar: “Because they’re doing it in slow motion”
🤦♂️
So slow that it's the opposite direction
"Let the control room look this up you're wrong about this."
Crickets.
Good job moderating Emily. Ryan, fact check what a moderator is.
He will but he won’t get back to you on what the answer Is 😂
@@tommmmmyt3981🤣
still waiting for Ryan to tell us the results of his "fact check" ahahahaha
He is so primed. You can see it in his body language when Omar is making the talking points he likes. How did he ever convince himself he could come off as neutral in this?
You just angry that Destiny lost
Remember when "closing statement" meant you get to make a closing statement without being interrupted?
Pepperidge farm remembers.
u skipped over when motormouth talked non stop for so long my ears started to hurt he didn't need closing
@@bashirzaid6971 I love you say that but Emily concedes that Omar spoke longer than destiny in destinys closing arguement than destiny did.
Omar and Ryan spoke for 65 minutes combined. Destiny spoke for 42 minutes. Lol the copping you have to do is pathetic. Definitely aren’t biased!
@@bashirzaid6971 Mad POV
@@SugmaDubNation lol
2v1 disguised as a 1v1, Ryan is the most biased 'unbiased' moderator I've ever seen
59:05 “can u acknowledge that what u said was incredibly fking stupid” epic 😂
Ryan Grim really couldn't help himself from debating during this where he should have been moderating
and yet everyone was able to say their piece.
Destiny whooped him also. lol.
You’re allowed to call out bullshit as a moderator ! It’s not his fault that’s all Destiny spits.
Which did Destiny say that wasn't accurate that Grim then corrected?
@@CG-bv4of
No, especially when you don't elaborate.
Why didnt Grime ever bring up the thing he was googling? He seemed so confident about it, so strange it never got brought up again
Because under this Destiny guys description of engaging former military personnel, who are now civilians, this would imply that every single adult in Israel is a militant, and therefore, except for the few dozen Israeli children that were killed on October 7th (a large number of them by IDF) all "Israeli civilians" killed, were actually militants. This means no Israeli civilians were killed on October 7th, except for the Israeli children.
Because he was wrong. You don't stop being a combatant just because you hid your rifle somewhere after the battle.
dude, he was right and bonacelli was wrong! unarmed ppl can't be considered militant under the laws of armed conflict! not like the idf would care for naked ppl with white flag either...
@@InventorInvestor Destiny specifically cited what a combatant is and what agencies classify as a person who can be fired on. He said specifically Hamas combatants and Omar and Ryan agreed they would be Hamas combatants without a gun so they cant be hit lol
Bc he was wrong on that issue
Ryan are you moderating or debating?
Ryan is by far the worst part of this video
Nah the 'cookie is dedly' is the worst
Destiny's Arc is INSANE
Anyone who calls himself destiny is a weirdo, and isn’t he some like cuckold fetishist
wtf does that mean
he skyrocketed after melina left
I dunno. Seems par for the course. He's always been a contrarian for the sake of being contrary. He's just digging in harder and harder because of push back.
I dunno if he really believes in anything besides making people mad and getting a reaction.
It's an election year. I doubt these high level collaborations will happen as often next year
Yea, Emily was by far the better neutral moderator. It was a 2 on 1 rather than a 1 v 1. Kudos to her
Destiny deserves a tag team argument for character and grit building. His arch has been insane
Yeah guy in blue is the most biased moderator i have ever seen
haha yea, moderator fact checks destiny, and then you don't hear anything more about it... assume fact check was true.
Because she has no argument to make. That’s why
@@Mistyfireshe was the only one of the moderators that did her job.
"I don't know if Hamas fights in civilian clothes. They never fight from hospitals". These Arab/Muslim debaters are always living in alternate realities.
U making me feel ure in the battlefield , uve any evidence that hamas used any of the hospitals in gaza that have been systematically destroyed ?
@@amjoker9837 Your criticism doesn't work. For you to say there is no evidence Hamas used any of the hospitals in Gaza would mean you make me feel like you are on the battlefield too lol.
And yes, there IS evidence.
@@Whiskey__Jackk Americains 🇺🇸 Dr testified all you said is a lie! Even you can find the testimonies
@@Whiskey__Jackk there is also evidence of israeli war crimes. Hopefully you are grounded in reality and do not celebrate or support the crimes and slaughter led by hamas or the israelis
Why would he have to answer how he thinks a role reversal situation would play out?
Destiny set that up knowing it’s an irrelevant counterfactual so he could say the words “you won’t answer a simple question”
Once you understand that he’s using stupid optics mechanisms the whole thing comes apart
the way Ryan and the so called scholar are constantly looking at each other in agreement LMFAO
it looks like Destiny stole Omar's hair
Haha I never would’ve thought that but now that you point it out I can’t not see it 😂
Holy shit lmfao
And Omar took his teeth in exchange.
Nah it looks like he dyed a clown wig brown
🤣🤣🤣🤣
First question:
"Omar, the people who agree with us are literal heroes, expand please"
"Do you see any double standards when it comes to the kind of the 'free speech warriors' championed the cause of free of expression on college campuses now championing the cause of shooting fireworks (at protesters) " this is an ACTUAL direct quote,and it looks nothing at all like your characterization. I'm calling bullshit on this comment an Idk how the hell you would refute that. Cant just make shit up and put it in quotes
@@conorfennell8475 I mean, I feel like both your quote and my made up one make the same point, that Ryan was an insanely biased moderator, to the point that he was essentially another interlocutor. Can you at least acknowledge that?
I really don't understand the hostility fam, maybe take a few minutes outside, catch some fresh air.
@@conorfennell8475You cry baby
@@atdevill You say that as if there's a neutral side to mass Obliteration. What should ryan be like, "Well maybe the children shouldn't have been born Palestinian." I'm sorry but this is not one of those issues where you can play a bullshit neutral game. Inevitably one is picking a side wherein one of those sides is playing defense for state dehumanization. But you're also implying that It's impossible to do objective reporting unless you accept the presupposition that there can be excuses for what Israel is doing in Gaza. At that point "Journalists" become tools for state violence. You can still Investigate and find all the information you need, though, without also playing cover for state violence. It's not that hard.
This was a complete car crash for Omar Baddar.
Omar kept interrupting Destiny, even during Destiny's final statement 🤦♂️
Destiny was the one itnerruöting the whole time
Ryan nodding in warm agreement to every word out of Omar's mouth and shaking his head in disagreement and sweating the whole time Destiny was speaking
Being a neutral moderator for destiny while also being informed beyond Wikipedia and mainstream propaganda is not possible unless you have superhuman levels of restraint.
@@atlehman69 Cope
No. Ryan is with the facts. While idiots like you get distracted with blurring of real facts. That's like talking about how the people of Jim Crow South were scared for their futures, a black man attacked them once. So just leave them alone.
@@atlehman69yet you've fallen for the "Wikipedia" propaganda and using it as a talking point. The irony
@atlehman69 you could try to address his points but ofc you take the easier route. This is why all of this is pointless in the end and nothing changes.
I'm still waiting on Ryan Grim's fact check on Destiny 24 hrs later. @35:54
Destiny is the human machine gun of Zionist propogands. Good luck catching up.
Which facts were you talking about? Give me an example. heard a lot of opinion, not much in the way of facts. There were probably too many. He is only one man!
@@tryingtobeunbiased4847 @35:54
@@tryingtobeunbiased4847 @35:54
@35:54
Well… that didn’t go as planned 😂
If old boy used that pen on that paper anymore he was gonna be writing on the table! 😂😂😂
lol
i love it when destiny asks a question they can't answer and after they danced around for like 10 minutes he asks the question again 😭😭
This is what you take away from this? Cookie missiles? Global support and aid for Palestine? Freedom flotilla full of makeshift weapons (kitchen knives)? Seriously delusional...
Are you talking about Steven bernollio
@@mickeybeavison1053 Stefano Bernollio 🤌
most of the points are probaganda zionist points repeated as a red herring. then people forget the fact that israel is a terrorist occupation that have no right to exist
u should be called orionglaze cuz u just love to gargle on anything destiny dangles infront of u
At multiple points, Ryan talks to Omar "I dunno, how bout you handle this one-", really? I thought this was Omar versus Destiny, not RyanMar versus Destiny.
Bro got 2 v 1 ambushed for sure
@@supersuede91 Destiny is a clown!
What a victim.
@@tryingtobeunbiased4847 Your mom's the clown
no he was looking at him like "really, i have to deal with this dick " LOL, go away
Ryan doesn't understand the difference between rocket propellant and rocket warheads.
"is it like if you start moving faster than the speed of light then you start going back in time?" LMAO
Shouldn't this be titled Destiny vs Ryan & Omar?
That's what I'm seeing and I'm only 45 minutes in. Truly embarrassing.
awww was youw stweamew outnumbewed, oh no
jewlumni potboy DESTROYS palestinian child with FACTS and LOGIC
@@user-wp1vo9fp8uhe humiliated both so you're only making fun of yourself, regard.
@@user-wp1vo9fp8u Talking like an underdeveloped won't help, your side had more people + laptops + the entire channel but still took the L.
Omar: "nobody is saying we need to remove the Israeli government"
Bro what? Yea people are definitely saying that lmfao.
That might be in reference to this pannel
@@thanatosdriver1938 I'm pretty sure Omar said we should dismantle the Israeli government in this conversation in reply to dismantling Hamas
@@thanatosdriver1938 Ok that still doesn't make sense. Omar supports a one state solution where the government of Israel would certainly be dissolved.
Maybe he was referring to the international community and misspoke?
@@topicmodellingproject9002 or he's just a racist who got caught
@@topicmodellingproject9002
Which one-state solution are you talking about? Omar is describing the One Democratic State solution where the State of Israel grants equal citizenship to Palestinians. By claiming that this model would dissolve the government of Israel, you're admitting that Israel as it currently exists is a Jewish ethnostate that _doesn't_ grant citizenship to Palestinians.
I like the Lenin book behind the moderator. LOL
Omar has a PhD in Yapolitics
I am sure "moderator" who said he will fact check, will fact check... One day
Here you go: "At times, civilians may take part in hostilities without formally belonging to any regular armed force. This may happen, most notably, in the context of spontaneous uprisings in occupied territories. It may also occur in other armed conflicts where the distinction between civilians and combatants becomes more difficult. In such cases, civilians who directly take part in hostilities temporarily lose the protection provided for civilians, but only for the duration of their participation in the hostilities (API Art. 51.3, APII Art. 13.3). In such cases, if captured, they may benefit from the status of prisoner of war (API Art. 45).
In case of doubt concerning the status of an individual who does not fall into one of the categories of combatants as defined by the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols, he or she must be considered a civilian (API Art. 50)."
@@AlexV6 you should stop advertising your illiteracy.
@@VSPoliFight Said the dude who can offer no rebuttal but petty, inane insults.
@@Niblss ? What am I supposed to rebut what he copied is what destiny said. A fact check is supposed to refute a point.
@@VSPoliFighta fact check is a fact check. Just because the moderators were hostile doesn’t mean the fact check will refute anything. Just shows how grossly ideologically the suits were.
Ryan was not acting as a moderator in this.
Omar needed the help.
He doesn't have to be neutral to moderate. That's a style choice.
Which was good I think
Fact checking
Even if that's true, so what? Mr. Bumelli is a highly skilled debater, and two-versus-one debates happen all the time. For now, I'll assume you're just angry that Boracelli's lies got fact-checked in real-time.
I like how Omar doesn't answer a question, instead he's just a virtual signals.
Ye he just wants to repeat the word genocide as many times as possible so people will have that in their heads.
That's why they all keep repeating those words.
Once repeated enough times then it's just in the public conciousness and as you can see even though it is clearly a lie people take that seriously.
Ye he just wants to repeat the word g3noc!d3 as many times as possible so people will have that in their heads.
That's why they all keep repeating those words.
Once repeated enough times then it's just in the public conciousness and as you can see even though it is clearly a lie people take that seriously.
@@talsapps
It's not a lie, you're delusional that's why we're repeating the word.
Y’all overuse the term virtue signal. It’s starting to lose its meaning. Destiny could be said to be virtue signaling for his side too. Yea, guess what? Both sides think their side is more virtuous and correct lol like no shit
@@vvieites001 One side is not addressing the question.
Im glad Ryan was able to make it a fair fight, and 2v1 Destiny
Vastly overstating Destiny's ability, like all his fanboys do
@@TheOldGuest then why did they still get smoked even double teaming him? Ill let you check your fact checkers and get back to me on that!!!!
@@TheOldGuest when people stop being able to listen, think and see they'll stop thinking Destiny did well heh
@@twitch3111 Yeah Mr. "Cookie rockets" really smoked them, LMAO. The cope is unreal
@@Bozowomp Destiny fans and being able to think are mutually exclusive heh
destiny wore his good wig today
Yes *she did.
He only usually breaks that bad boy out when he's getting cucked
Women
@@Wi_Gong_Dye OMG 🤣🤣🤣
mfer look like Mick Foley.
The way Ryan knods at everything Omar says is insane
Everything Omar said was correct though? Why would that be insane lol
"Omar what will you do if you were the leader of Israel?" Lol... What a stupid question.
Quick to bring up clips of destiny, slow to look up the facts lol
Destiny is a child
@@sturdevantphotography5726 Agreed, frustrates me that Omar get's shit on by a child. Wish Omar and Ryan had better arguments
Destiny thinks cookies can become rockets. He is a child. So is his nonsense paid fans.
U know what sarcasm is?
@@The_Honest_Answers Destiny got taken to the woodshed in this one, let's keep it real
Emily: “ I don’t know the scientific definition of ‘fuckton’.” Aaaaaaand, I’m DEAD.
Timestamp?
I get why she's confused, Americans always get stumped by the metric system.
1:41:40 Steven initially says, "fuckton of fighters." Thank the youtube gods I read this comment right as they said it. 😂
@@zhouenlaienjoyer6306 ua-cam.com/video/sKzJGJZ82is/v-deo.html lol
Personally the cookies discussion on 1:10:58 is what got me. Surrender yourself we are fully armed with Banana 😂😂
Horrible biased hosts.
Ryan looks like SNL doing a skit about Tucker Carlson
UA-cam keeps increasing the speed to 1.5x when Destiny talks
Lmao!
He's actually on coke. Look at his jaw.
No destiny is drinking so much Red bull that he’s acting like the ignorant sick crack head that he is!
You sure? Seemed 2x to me 😂
Is it to make him sound smarter or to get it over with sooner? 🤣
Was it intentional to have this be a 2v1 against Destiny and for Destiny to still win?
Did we watch the same video babe
they are treating him like childe
@@reckopan1152 That is how you treat children.
You must be a Destiny bro
Hahaha you are joking right? Good god Destiny fans are peak delusion.
Omar and ryan embarrassing then selfs against one streamer? That was brutal
You have to wonder if destiny is getting paid to spread this propaganda
Whatever makes you sleep at nights.
@@consmos7328 you are braindead
Is like witnessing a murder 🤣
@@consmos7328nah, he's on the logical side. Unlike you idiots.
Great moderation. by never acknowledging any points or making people directly answer questions while attacking one of the guests. Great job
1:13:03 "we're two more virtue signals away from a free Palestinian people" 💀
Yet it's more than anything he has contributed
@@FlameHAZE2010 So true, the virtue signals were indeed, the most Omar contributed.
Destiny is so clueless… poor dude
Destiny is a bad person.
@@AmitTaggarcope 😂
I love how Omar had to interject all over Destinys closing thought but Destiny didnt say a word during his
Bro went to salon instead of barber 💀
omar's and ryan's occupation of destiny's final statements was pretty douchey.
I’ve seen many debates like this and I’ve always wondered why is there not a team of people, sitting there with them, who can google and fact check in real time to keep everyone accountable?
Because Omar and Ryan would lose their audience after realizing how uneducated those grifters are.
Well here you can’t get a word in edge wise between adderalled our Ben Shapiro jr and himself.
I've been imagining a setup like that for years. Anything worth debating should have 3 or 4 people on each side, and be broken up into. 10 minute segments rigorously fact checked by a team approved by both sides, and should probably take a few days.
@@ACAB-GAYCRAB Destiny talked for 42 mins, Omar talked for 52 mins and the "moderator" Ryan talked for 12 mins.
😂🤣 they were they just realized they were wrong so they just moved on. This happened a dozen times weird how they have a team to do this BUT NEVER ACTUALLY came back to anything they were going to "fact check" him on.
Man, the interruptions were insane.
Destiny is such a deranged freak..just look at him, there’s clearly something wrong with him. He’s behaving like a rabid dog on drugs
Agreed. Destiny just couldn't control himself once they started openly laughing at his cookie rocket theory.
@@GreyKnight7777 You utterly misunderstood the comment you replied to lol
@@GreyKnight7777how can you watch a conversation and not hear a single thing?
@@parzival112 You're not very bright, are you?
Did Grimly Ryan think we wouldn’t notice his non-follow up on that fact check?
So nice that they gave Omar time for a finishing statement and then more time for another finishing statement during Destinys finishing statement
So its a 2 v 1 with Emily kinda moderating? Ryan is not a moderator here let's be honest...
The difference is Destiny is challenging the moderating of Ryan. He tried debating Ryan and brought him into the argument.
He's fact checking his lies
That’s the only way to make it a fair fight.
@@jumanasaadeh2817 36:00: Ryan:"You're wrong. I'm going to fact check this but I can tell you that you're wrong." Ryan then proceeds to browse the internet for a bit before he goes quiet and never brings it up again.
@@jumanasaadeh2817 than he's doing a bad job because he hasn't fact checked anything
The Genocide is happening in such slow motion that its reversed 💀
Really!!! How can anyone, ANYONE take that idiot seriously when you say "slow motion genocide"... That said I don't think Israel has done everything right or that there aren't bad actors in the government but they have done more to evacuate civilians out of builds than any other country.
If your argument is that the net population has to decrease to qualify as a genocide, then I guess genocide has been taking place since October 7th. 😂 that’s not exactly the intelligent argument you think it is
@@webdavisso are you declaring intentionality is the cause for genocide if so Gaza is clearly committed to genocide as they publicly stated in the Hamas charter
@@chuckecheese5251thank you for pointing that out! Cuz it's not just the Covenant they said that, it's also religion, and in their Amas website as well in their 5 stage plan.
@@lumpystilskin5367meanwhile israeli officials literally bragging about their genocide... You can't defend that
Ryan is very un professional.
Why does the title say Destiny vs. Omar but we have Ryan over here presenting evidence and then being a horrible fact checker...?
Not me immediately running to the comments 💀
me too
Yea 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 ok fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Not me too😂😂😂
Same !
I’m just as guilty
This is embarrassing to watch the show hosts try to setup a "Gotchya" over and over again on Destiny only to shrink back and try to quickly move on to the next point every time it's proven to be bullshit. Also, take a drink every time Omar says "absurd" or "ridiculous".
I am now dead from alcohol poisoning
hahah yeah, it's so hilarious how the pro Palestine side never ever addressed anything destiny said and just kept pumping out their propaganda points.
Destiny didn't prove a single thing. Just because he states whatever he thinks in an authoritative manner without any emotion and because he doesn't consider Palestinian lives to have any value whatsoever doesn't mean he is correct. None of the actual verifiable facts or history on this matter align with what Destiny claims to believe. The level of ignorance he demonstrated is astounding.
@@802Garage It's always the same comments about history. You don't know a damn thing about the history, you just want a witch hunt.
You didn't know about Islam forcing anyone Hebrew into second class citizenship as a dhimmi, or about the siege of Jerusalem by Palestinians that started this whole war, or the Nazi collaborators in Palestine and the surrounding Arab nations. You're ignorant to your own ignorance.
@@802Garage It's always the same comment about history made by people that have only read headlines and twitter posts. You demonstrate ignorance of even your own ignorance.
You don't know that life in the middle east is degrading second class citizenship as a dhimmi for non-Islamists living in an Islamist country, or that the siege of Jerusalem by Palestinians started this conflict in 1947, or that there were Nazi collaborators in Palestine and the surrounding Arab nations.
All you care about is the witch hunt. So much so that you'll lie about what is fact when an entire team of hosts and producers with computers in front of them can't refute any counter claims.
Moderator is not a moderator. He's not neutral. So get em Destiny 1v2
Where did you find this improvidence
Reminder that Destiny is a 35yrs old woman's name.
My roommates name is Destiny. She's a 25 year old stripper.
My roommates name is Destiny. She is 25 years old, so close!
35 year old stripper's name.
I never met a woman with the name destiny but I have met 2 strippers with that name
He looks like an angry Jewish woman
Was the other guy a moderator or a debater?
Is Destiny a warmonger or barbarian?
@@ZedNebuloid Possibly both
The other guy being the scrawny lady with the beard sitting on the far right?
@@ZedNebuloid why is that the question?
@@ZedNebuloid seems like he's the most realistic either way 😂
Never seen a 2v1 go so poorly
This was an easily countered 2v1 with the occasional 3v1 . Not sure why you guys brought destiny on for this when you saw how he debated Omar earlier and has only studied the conflict further. It’s strange from a platform that seems pretty pro palastine to bring on someone with all the counters to their arguments for that position.
This is quite telling, Ryan Grim isn’t even pretending to be partial, what a disingenuous host.
I dont think anyone who watches this show or follows any member of its ecosystem believes or expects that Ryan Grim is impartial (which is what I'm assuming you meant).
BP seems to have an anti israel bias since they fired one of their journalists when a video came out where he admitted to being a paid protester for Israel when he was in college.
Reality isn't impartial no matter how much you cry foul.
Good. We don't need more pretending rn
Lol, Destiny fans are professional victims
Wait, Ryan was a moderator?
Yes, Emily didn't fact check Destiny at all.
@@ZedNebuloid lmfao cope
@@innominatum9906 That's why everyone appreciated Ryan... Except the Destiny fans that don't like fact. 😎
@@ZedNebuloid So what happened to the fact Ryan was searching for? Didnt fit the narrative?
@@ZedNebuloid Bro said it like Ryan was fact checking Destiny. He tried to but once he googled to find that he was wrong, he didn't speak up about it again.
Apprently Israel has a 50 cent army too 😂😂😂
Destiny’s jaw is like a southpark character
He looks more like a Mr. Meaty puppet
Adderall does that to you
36:00 Ryan Grim said he was going to fact check Destiny. I'm at 44:00 now and it hasn't come yet, does it ever come or was Destiny correct?
Edit: I'm at 54:00 now and it still hasn't happened. 1:24:00 I'm still waiting. Finished; it never came.
@MS-lk4xc Destiny its wrong, just check 2:00:36
Ryan did fact check it and remained quiet because the fact didn't support the pro-palestinian position.
Ryan Grim never brought it back up again, after seemingly going to his Laptop to look it up. I think we all know why.
Destiny was correct. Ryan let it die because he read it. You can see him get uncomfortable then swallow it.
No he's definitely wrong. It's codified in numerous places.
Article 3 of the Fourth Geneva Convention for instance addresses the treatment of persons not engaged directly in hostilities, including members of armed forces who are unarmed and those placed "hors de combat" (out of combat) by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause. It states that such persons shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, color, religion, or similar criteria.
Furthermore, Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions of 1977 expands upon these principles, emphasizing the prohibition of attacks against those who are unarmed and/or not immediately engaged in hostilities.
There are other protocols as well protecting anyone, combatant or civilian that is clearly unarmed and posing no threat.
It didn't get brought back up because destiny Gish galloped them away at light speed to 5 other topics
ryan and omar against destiny with emily as moderator
I dont think destiny is capable of keeping an ally.
@@benjaminhenderson5025 as long as hes able to handle them, he doesnt need allies.
@@user-mn2sn1xu9bhe wasn't tho. If you're winning the argument you don't attack every point like a rabid dog.
More like Ryan and Omar and Emily against Destiny
@@emadhatu8423 Is that a rule some where? You made it up?
33:00 That's some weird logic. Imagine if someone said something like that about the Mafia or a Cartel, "Well Bob, you didn't pay the protection money so now you get to swim with concrete shoes on. Sorry, it's just the Rules of the Street."
Why does no one ever say that Gazans left Gaza everyday to work in Israel?
Like 40K Gazans had those permits. In other words, about 0.017% of their population. And if you happen to be one who doesn’t come back, they’d hunt you down.
It goes against their narrative.
This is academic Jerry Springer.
As embarrassing as Piers Morgan having that Hasan Abi guy on his show.
wtf has the media become giving a political platform to video game addicted man children who never touch grass
Except destiny isn’t an academic 😂😂
@@Ryancaresaboutyou neither is omar nor ryan
@@Ryancaresaboutyou hence the “Jerry Springer”
@@hejhowareyouright, but they have decades of credentials and experience in this field where Destiny… well I think is UA-cam grifter who has done nothing but read wiki headlines
Isn't ryan supposed to be a moderator? He can't help himself. Bad look for breaking points
Is this the angle you’re gonna take for Destiny being completely clueless on the matter
@@Hmoney0 LOLOLOL. Lay it out. Why and how is he, provide sources thanks.
@@Hmoney0in literally every single point that Omar brought up Destiny had all the knowledge plus more to counter and explain thoroughly. I really don't see how you watched this video and come away thinking destiny is clueless. I can understand not agreeing with him or thinking he's incorrect on the framing or whatever but to say he's clueless is hilarious untrue.
I mean when Destiny says outlandish shit, the moderator should step in and fact check. Or where he stepped in to explain the Right of Return marches.
Bad look 🤓DGG bot
Omar kinda looking really weak. Jesus.
Nah if he uses the buzzwords more it'll outweigh the facts dropped by the lesbian.
Omar absolutely demolished destiny with fact after fact. Anybody who is being honest would have seen that. Be honest
@@consmos7328Yeah i think this is Destiny’s downfall, all of his fans are projecting so hard about the buzzwords. I want a 1 on 1 Omar vs Destiny, it’s crazy how quickly Destiny pivots, speeds up and tries to seem intellectually superior. I have no idea who this Omar guy is but he was calm, respectful and he stayed on topic the whole time. Destiny got cooked
@@daddykipperflipper4600 cope. keep up the virtue signalling
@@steponcurry7012 Seems like you are proving me right, projecting about coping and saying another buzzword. Destiny fans are nuts
Wait. If this is supposed to be Destiny vs Omar then who was the flight attendant dude?
Krystal vs Destiny. Make it happen
let's goooo
lol. never ever, krystalnacht would never dare.
Krystal is too smart to allow that to happen.
She would destroy him.
Krystal is the best debater I’ve seen in a while. Smart, composed, delivers facts with devastating accuracy and a smile. She would destroy this shabby fast talking opportunist.