Norm Finkelstein DOGWALKS Destiny In Israel Debate
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- Опубліковано 18 бер 2024
- Krystal and Saagar discuss Norm Finkelstein, Mouin Rabbani, Benny Morris, and Destiny debating Israel on Lex Friedman's podcast.
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Destiny role was definitely meant for Ben Shapiro but Ben Shapiro is a coward.
Mind Begs the Question:
- To justify,defend,support policies of
- Starvation,Death Camps,Pogroms,White Phosphorus Gassing,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Democratic or Nazi?
I'd imagine Ben would be at least more knowledgeable than Destiny. The guy has only been interested in this subject matter since after Oct 7.
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeingstbh, It's not the most important thing on my mind. That region is a mess. Let them sort it out themselves, or at the very least until they are willing to move forward.
Mind Begs the Question:
- If a Govt stage WMD Hoax
- Govt can't stage Terrorist Attack
- To manufacture justification,consent
- For Ethnic Cleansing,Total Occupation?
Sharpie man knew he would get owned. Destiny is still soaked in dunning-Kruger from his rabid Zionist fankids shielding him from the truth and his mods banning any dissent.
When is Shapiro gonna face Finklestein ?
Shapiro only debates college kids
@@jfinity_362 like destiny
Why to act like a man yelling at clouds again
He would never. Remember how poorly it went for him going against a milquetoast BBC host.
at the Pearly gates
The fattest guy in the room is skeptical of starvation in Gaza, i'm shocked.
Yeah so starving they complain about free MRE’s
@@Saif_Al_Dajjal Dude please stfu, imagine if your grand kids are capable of seeing you defending genocide. I get you "don't think its a big deal" but it is a massive deal, the horror israel is doing is unheard of, kids are dying from heart attacks, because lack of sleep
@@Saif_Al_Dajjal The big brain on mike. "Hey all is forgiven, you gave us military grade survival food!" Nevermind the fact of why they needed it in the first place. This logic parallels people who do heinous acts but then for the sake of optics provide a published apology when the harm is already done yet the root of the issues are not properly being addressed.
@@Saif_Al_Dajjal if I were starving-like starving, malnourished-and the people who were behind that starvation decided to throw me a bone and gave me a ration, I’d probably still be complaining because, y’know, I’m literally malnourished
According to the World Health Organization, obesity affects 26.8% of the Palestinian population and the last time I checked, obese people don’t starve to death.
“Maybe you should spend some more time on tik tok, where you might get actual information” is wild💀
I now understand the need for them to acquire TikTok,
No way in hell I would have believed this statement isn't a joke but here we are. Goes to show why all of a sudden US politicians of both parties are magically united in push to force Tiktok sale to an American corporation.
Yeah not a great statement out if context, but she means all the documented cases of starvation on TikTok. Ironically, it’s one of the few methods of normal Palestinians to get their stories out because there aren’t many reporters out there.
Says the people who don't use tik tok. There's truth and propaganda/garbage on every platform, and in this case there are more people on clock app doing something to support Palestenians than any there are on here.
Probably more apt to say spend time on a source of media that isn’t bought and paid for
Calling this law of the jungle is insult to jungle.
it's drum & bass at best
@@MyNameIsBucket We need Jungle, I'm afraid!
Yes, Animals dont starve each other to death, for a myth or a peace of land.
I wonder what the trees and the forests think of us as humans
@@mkadi70me too
Mr. Morelli, Mr. Borelli was the best part 😆
mr kurosawa
"Mr. Benelli, stop be a 12 gauge semi automatic shotgun!"
"Mr. Vermicelli, stop noodling around!"
~~~~~~
Funny comments I saw on a compilation video!😂
That's the only part cause Nieman made no argument
@@rebelmango2141
And you’re not making any point by purposely writing Norman’s name wrong
There is an account of at least 9 times Norm saying Destiny's name incorrectly, which was extremely hilarious
No apartheid should exist
Brave stance.
How original
It's not apartheid. Israel supports ALL who are loyal--no matter their race, religion, gender or orientation.
@@I_Lemaire wrong... IDF executed in broad daylight a palestinian who formally converted to judaism and supported israel
@@I_LemaireQuestion: who made this quote?:
"no water, no food, no electricity"
Did I just hear a Professor say international law is irrelevant?
Wow just wow.. that is where we are now?
It is irrelevant. The United States isn’t even part of the ICC. The fact is that international law only imprisons people if the world hates them and they don’t have power. Bush should be in prison, Xi should be in prison, Putin should be in prison… yet they’re not. So yes, it is a joke.
A lot of Israeli activities are illegal and have been illegal for a very long time and are ongoing despite that fact. Doesn’t seem as though these laws really matter.
His view of international law is identical to that of fascists and Nazis.
"International law" is in fact irrelevant. Where have you been? Don't be so naive
@@borkingborker5567or America re Iraq?
"Ive not seen one Palestinian starve to death"...
Yeah well Ive not seen one Jew die in the holocaust, is that the standard of documentation we wanna use, really?
Did you just deny the Holocaust? Damn you really are a Norman Finkelstein fan.
Yep. Yep it is.
Stupid point, there's no record of a legitimate starvation death before October 7th
@@mobiblaize yes, there has been.
@@abubaytnighan6480 Link/source???
I'm waiting
"The Zionists as a movement, and then the State of Israel, which emerged from that movement, declared war on the Palestinian people. In that war we saw ethnic cleansing, genocidal policies and a racist apartheid regime" ~ Miko Peled.
Mind Begs the Question:
- If Nazis escaped
- Embed in another Nation,Religion
- Rename their Political Movement
- Can't be recognized
- Can be recognized by Matching Policies
- Starvation,Death Camps,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Pogroms,Ethnic Cleansing,etc?
And the sand part is that the majority of Americans believe it all started on Oct. 7th 2024 according to their posts, talks and propaganda.
I'm so surprised YT didn't automatically delete this
They rarely let criticism of Israel stand
Mind Begs the Question:
- If Criticism of Israel/Zionists
- Is Criticism of all Jews/Anti-Semitic
- Crimes of Israel/Zionists
- Crimes of all Jews?
@@mannygutierrez7654you comment on the one of 100s of BP obsessing over Israel.
Be quiet Mr. Ravioli, Spaghetti, broccolini.
How can an occupation for almost 75 years be called a war! Palestine has no army, they have no country they have no citizenship. Wars are waged between either two countries or more, or a civil war in a single country. This is like calling the Italy invasion under Mussolini into Ethiopia a war, it was not a war it was an invasion that resulted in about half og Ethiopians were murdered, it was a genocide. What israel has done dwarfs that because it has been ongoing for so damn long. I am not making small of what Italy did to Ethiopians, I am just putting this into some type of perspective.,
Nonsense. Half of Palestinians have not been murdered. What Italy did dwarfs what Israel is doing.
Mouin Made a very good point early on against the Hasbara point that the Palestinians rejected the initial partition in 47.
Who on their right mind would give parts of their land willingly? even more rediculous, is the fact that some people cite anti semitism as reason.
I disagree. I would concede is Israel is in the right in 48 and even 67, just to skip over it to the occupation post 67. Once the PLO surrenders in the 70s, Israel should’ve given land back
@@tidakada7357 the zion@zi state's very existence cannot be justified, especially since it came at the cost of indigenous people...
@@caleb-glennmarcus6887it doesn’t matter my goodness .. land is not owed to anyone… you have to take it
@@billsmith9737so would you resist if I come and take your home then ?
@@aminealioualla I beg you to come and try
SHUT UP MR SPAGHETTI
Huh?
@@chadowstar2992 joke about destiny being called everything but his actual last name by norm lol
Good one! I don't think we can give Norm the W since he was unable to compute a most basic fact (his opponent's name)
@@mdaddy775 mr spaghetti i don’t care
@@mdaddy775 Very substantive reason...
Benny Morris agreed with everything Destiny said, though. Insulting Destiny is insulting Morris.
Benny Morris is a pretty objective historian
Benny smiled and agrees with norman when he call destiny a fantastic morn
Yep
@@RobPires More like he’s finding how unhinged and emotional Finklestein got pretty amusing, Finklestein was unable to respond to a single point from Destiny
@@mina319 unable to respond to a single point? That is exaggerating isn't it? Norman may have lost his temper. I can understand why.
"If we're going to have the law of the jungle, then we can all be beasts" is one hell of line.
Is he quoting something, or did he come up with that on the spot?
I remember from my history lessons that the British used to call the people from Indian subcontinent, the African continent etc, as uncivilized barbarians 😊
Hmm...was that an American history lesson? If so I pity your ignorance.
They were.
@StimParavane I wish you could see that the world is much bigger than your America, and there's a vast land out there other than your America where children learn their own history lessons. What to say, I pity your ignorance too. Take care.
Truth is, the people they called uncivilised barbarians are the people who showed them civility, dumb barbarians 😁.
They still are
Basically
When things are done to Israel, then law applies and everyone is bad, when Israel does things law doesn’t apply and everyone else is bad.
Or
You are just a dummy who doesn’t understand how the law works.
just like when the pro palestine crowd praises the houthis for illegally attacking merchant ships in violation of international law. Pro palestine side cherry picks international law just as much, if not more, than the israeli side.
This is what Nazi was doing..@Porter90
@Porter90
"Why can't people leave me alone in the house I just stole."
@Porter90 liar and NatZio apologist-stooge
I can only imagine, these arguments took place during WWII.
Turns out....
If Destiny can defend Israel now he would have no problem taking the side of Nazi Germany back then, especially since they were violently anti communist, so Destiny would support them out of spite for the left. I am not even joking, transport destiny into late 1930s, erase his memory of what he knows about WW2, Nazis and Hitler and he would be supporting them
What these monsters are doing to Gaza is worse than what Hitler did.
It always boils down to: “When MY side does something atrocious it was accidental or situational or an honest mistake or part of warfare or justified in some way. When the other side does something atrocious it was intentional and evil and they’re immoral monsters.”
Most people seem to really struggle with the fact that their side or their own group can, in fact, commit atrocities on purpose for ideological reasons. I’m German, I would know.
THANK you, someone with common sense
Ewww…what a sophomoric take.
Exactly
Yes, they can as we are all human and capable of evil. How is this relevant to Israel-Palestine in any way however? Palestinians were driven out of their land, killed, and ostracized for no reason other than the fact that they exist. The ideology that you refer to in the case of Palestinians is the ideology that Palestians have basic human rights and deserve to be able to live in peace without being bombed and displaced. The two sides in this conflict are as follows: Genocide Apologists and Free-Thinking People.
Wrong.
Benny Morris "International Law is Irrelevant " 😢
SMH. Wow.
UN Resolution 181 should be irrelevant at this point.
Well... I mean for better or worse that IS kind of true...
@firefly9838 the point is that it's as much a normative statement as it is a descriptive one. His implication is that "International law is often ignored...and therefore Israel should ignore international law" which in this instance means mass slaughter of civilians. It's not a dry academic observation about international relations, it's a justification for an awful array of violence against civilians.
@@zswqade3q24 What about Hamas?
"Who are you going to believe? Me? or your lying eyes?"
@Porter90
You want Palestinians to account for the holocaust and give away their land just because USA supports Israel military?!
You know what? some day "sugar dady" USA will stop supporting the apartheid system. then and only then would the terrorist Isr@el accept the reality and let the Palestinians have their rights.
@Porter90 you sound like an ignorant child
@Porter90GENOCIDE.
It was a SET UP from the beginning.
It was rejected by the Palestinians AT THE GET GO, Because their Land was Negotiated WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE.
It's therefore Stolen on a SCAM.
@Porter90Zionists starting history at the most arbitrary points 😂😂😂
@@tempacc9589 You can't even spell that word. This is where you be quiet.
Well explained the attitude, body language, manners, and determination to reject the world's position on justice. this is astonishing and at its worst core.
The world? You mean left leaning. Don't confuse your position that lf the World 😂
Mouin Rabbani was an absolute boss that entire conversation - never loses his cool, never strawmans the other side, an absolute top G
Rabbani the most problematic person in the room. His unhinged statements didn't get attention though because he came off as calm and cool.
@@Landofjello cope
The guy who accused Destiny of supporting Segregation, because he said that he didn't know if he could call Apartheid and US Segregation the same thing? That is all Destiny said about the subject, he just didn't think that from a legal perspective that they could be considered the same thing. So how is Mouin Rabbani not strawmaning here?
@@nathanielhellman6952I don’t think you understand what a strawman is and that’s understandable coming from a Destiny supporter
@@Hebiscus998 OK then explain it. I gave an example, so now I would appreciate if you did as well. Why is what Rabbani did not strawmaning? What does making a strawman actually look like? Also, nice attack on my personal character rather than fully engaging with my point. It works so well in proving your point.
As always, after five hours of cutting through the hasbara, it finally came down to: "Yea we've been bullshitting. Get fucked."
As Bassem Youssef says "the world is letting me do it. I do it because I can."
Yet Hamas has attacked more countries than just Isreal
And nobody from the Palestine side has the balls to call Palestinians what they are.. they are hamas
Did you see his first discussion with Piers Morgan? Master class.
Lmao bassem yousef is a liar
@@ajvorob9117 ok, Zio.
@@haraldisdead he's literally a clown. When asked what Israel should have done as an alternative to the current operation, he just said "not this" and kept blabbering about innocent women and children killed. By doing that he pretty much bought into hamas propaganda hook line and sinker.
For the 1st time in my life, I've been able to be proud of my South African heritage.
You should be, the entire Muslim world owes South Africa a debt imo
You guys are real g’s
For real, good on South Africa. One of the few heroes of the moment.
@@elite7329I don’t understand the relevance of the ‘entire Muslim world’ in regard to a humanitarian crisis.
This isn’t a religious issue, it is a racial-political issue.
@@elite7329❤
“Sure you can find quotes from leaders and diary entries” butttttt like do you really even know??? 😂😂
if you want to defend ISrael, you have to use double standards all the time, not just a few tmes
@Porter90^Least delusional hasbashit, everyone
@Porter90spam
different standards exist. the question is why should we give Israel that different standard?
@@tempacc9589finkle lost clearly. He couldn’t answer any of destinys points and immediately started insulting
@@Yondervan2no, destiny couldn't properly respond without a double standard existing.
In regard to the double standard Zionists have about International Law:
"If we're going to have the law of the jungle, then we can all be beasts, not only some of us."
- Mouin Rabbani
Powerful words.
The US behaves this way too in the Security Council (sic) of the UN. Do whatever you want, if you have the power
On the flip side, Hamas doesn't follow international law either
And Finklestein approves of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, against international law.
@@orlandoescobar5174 You aren't getting it - it is completely stupid for Israel to think that the masses would believe the Zionists' hypocritical logic for more than a couple months.
@Porter90 Zionists really are too far gone. You believe wholeheartedly you are doing the right thing but can’t see the atrocities Israel is committing. Or you don’t want to see, or lastly you don’t care.
A comparison of "blk nationalist" to Zionist is not accurate
I think it’s been fairly clear since inception that international law at the highest global level is the law of the jungle, unfortunately.
Only someone that’s lived in total peace could say current international law is the law of the jungle. Periods like WW2 where international law has broken down have been FAR worse. There’s so much to criticize in our current moment, but don’t say things that reveal complete historical ignorance.
International law is for the ones who created it to begin with which are mostly the western countries, wake up@@atomicsmith
@@atomicsmithinternational law has and will always breakdown because it is only enforced on the weak whilst only a stain on the shirt of the powerful.
Certainly does when its most powerful members trash it. Yet without these norms being pushed we are screwed.
How could it be any other way? What is law if you can't enforce it?
Who annexed that missing patch in Destinys beard? 🤣From the nose to the ear, Destinys beard lives in fear 💀
Body shaming much?
@@natural yes
That beard split like the red sea. Even his facial hair trying to seperate from him out of embarrassment.
@@naturalyes
Amphetamines sometimes trigger Trichotillomania (hair pulling/removal). Also, 🤣🤣🤣
The fact this stuff that is so obvious is debated is baffling to me like wtf are we doing?
Tells you everything about the media that no "news" network will let Norm on the air. They know he exposes Israel to anyone who listens to Norm with an open mind.
Nothing about this conflict is as simple as you would like it to be
@@StonedEmoKid it is pretty easy especially when you know the history
@@OfficialDenzy I've read the history. Islamic and Christian Fundamentalists treated an entire race as second class citizens. Those people decided independence was the only answer and legally purchased land from a group of people that would never recognize their independence.
Their capital was then sieged as Palestinians tried to starve them out, and it was then that Palestinian villages with known belligerents were depleted.
When you *actually* read the history, and not just hear only the parts where only one group suffered, it becomes complicated.
@@StonedEmoKid Nice fairy tale. So if Iranians bought 6% of the land in the United States, they would gain the right to claim all of the US and found an islamic theocracy there?
And if the current US citizens fought back, they would be evil terrorists and deserve instant death or any form of humiliation?
“Maybe you need to spend more time on TikTok where you might get actually information “ OMG enough said!!!
So, one comment by Krystal Ball somehow nullifies this entire video that is rightfully calling out Destiny and Morris's BS?
Sounds like you just want to bash Crystal Ball.
@@justinkosuk3458 No but it is pretty telling when she brings forth tiktok as a reputable source of information. Doesnt mean she has to be wrong, does raise suspiciouns thhough
Funny how they decided to ban TikTok during the conflict. Wonder if it had to do with all the videos showing the atrocities committed by the IDF. Did you see the ones the soldiers posted of themselves. Hilarious, right?
@@justinkosuk3458she aint gonna let you fuck🙏
@@senatordodo4240 What video site would u suggest?
My guy Shaun from @Shaun_vids said it best: "You can't claim moral superiority when asking for support, but then moral equivalence to excuse your crimes."
Given the immorality of Shaun and his continually biased takes I wouldn't rely on him for any source of moral guidance. Also, they don't morally equivocate. Their position is embedded is thousands of years of oppression, it is existential from their perspective and for good reason given the charter of Hamas.
@@zarbins We doing charters now? Because Likud charter is just as genocidal including more countries... and mind you they are supposed to be part of the major governing body not a group of religious nutjobs like Hamas.
@@zarbins yes the perspective of the consummate victim
Ahh the forever victim @@zarbins
@@zarbinsPavlov's dog reaction to whenever called out for your crimes it seems. Getting boring and its pretty sick really.
Morris entire argument, “indigenous should cede land to colonialist or they are antisemetic “
People hear what they want to hear, as they say
Morris entire argument is the Arabs started the war because they rejected any Jewish state and the Jews were facing a second holocaust and pushed back the Arab countries
@@tonywoutrs
Morris literally says, that it’s antisemetic for Arabs to refuse to recognize Israel?
LOL
@@uncomfortabletruth3831 you're not being serious right?
Being recognised is important for ANY lasting peace, denial means endless war.
And if you vow to never make peace with an ethnic group, until they're all gone or dead, I think it's reasonable to assume there are is a deep seeded hate against that ethnic group, with potential genocidal ambitions if the opportunity presents.
Am I saying Israel is free to do whatever?(Before you twist words) Not at all, the settlements have to go, we can apply standards to both where needed
(instead of joking and trivialising genocide and suffering)
@@tonywoutrs
I disagree, the deep seated hatred, is against Western imposed settler colonialism.
And only hate Jews because of their self entitled land grabbing ways.,
The same as any second class citizen would feel under similar circumstances.
As far as peace, there are many on both sides that don’t want to.
Though it’s Israel that needs to make concessions, as it was Zionist who seek to cease lands .
international law should be upheld across the board. many peoples are owed freedom
international law deserves to be ignored
Destiny is the very definition of a soulless liberal
Have some cheese with your whine
He’s a Zionist
i dont think he'd even deny this
@@mutedmutiny9542cringe
@@pkfirealarm4685 wince
If journalists were allowed into Gaza we would real time info re the situation in Palestine If Palestinians were given Starlink access we would have real time access & wouldn't have to listen to Israeli misinformation & their offensive arguments
No we wouldn’t
You wouldn't be able to understand what your seeing.
I keep seeing Gaza reports and footage on the inside. You're telling me it's all fake?
Except that journalists are allowed 😂
How about journalists reporting hundreds of thousands of deaths in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Sudan. That you guys don’t care about.
How can you be at war with your prisoners?
Guess they are not prisoners then.
They aren’t prisoners
@@PatrickOMulligan no friend, you mistakenly took the opposite perspective from that question than you were logically supposed to!
It’s called siege warfare
@@Grizzalslice Grow up, you don't live in the middle ages. Its called genocide. If you want to play games the attacks by Hamas were perfectly legal in international law because an occupier has no right under international law to defend itself from the people it's occupied. It wasn't the Jews country to start with, it belonged to someone else, people who've lived there for millenia.
I thought breaking points was supposed to be balanced, this is whack
14:00 too bad for Nazis not having access to Destiny to defend their atrocities as civilians dying in war ...!
Scott Ritter has explained the concept of war crimes very well when they were leveled against the Russians! You can only attack a civilian building if it is being used by enemy to attack you and you have no other way to take them out besides shelling the building and ti has to be reasonable amount of force. When Russians attacked a tank hiding between residential buildings, it would damage and kill some civilians. IDF attacks civilians going to collect food! They level hospitals, mosques, apartments, universities while nobody was shooting at them from there! They clearly want to destroy life in Gaza and force people through killing, starvation, disease and intimidation in order to steal their land!!
It's literally what they did to establish Israel in 1947! Ethnically cleanse the area by violence and genocidal actions and take the land!
That's why it's being called the second Naqba. The so-called chosen people of God have no regard for human life.
Does this desert war god have any respect for life ? Nah
LOL The Russians never ever cared for any human life in a war; the casualties on their own side are the best example of this. Every single war Russia engages in, compared to any other western country, produces vastly more civilian casualties by Russia. One example soviet afghan war 2 mln Afghans killed by the Russians, American occupation of Afghanistan 67 k civilans killed by Americans. Numbers don't lie; Russians do not give one ruble about human life of any kind.
What complicates things is that Hamas does exactly the same thing. Both sides don't follow the rules. I'm not excusing Israel at all either.
"You can only attack a civilian building if it is being used by enemy to attack you and you have no other way to take them out besides shelling the building and ti has to be reasonable amount of force." Not true, A "civilian building" housing military equipment and fighters is not a civilian building at all. Thats a valid military target according to international law. " has to be reasonable amount of force" just means that a threat assess and risk assessment has to be done by Israeli and the risk to the civilians has to be worth the military gain, Information none of us are privy to. Just because Hamas uses Human shield that doesn't change that its a valid military target.
"Mr vermicelli, quit noodling around" -not my quote but hilarious nonetheless
I call him “Zestiny” but I appreciate Norm’s style too 😂
Living in the US, the government has no right to take my home & land, & give it to someone else, let alone another country allowing someone to have my property
None of you would let them take your home and land a give it to the indigenous people.
@@cazza6944 False equivalency which proves my point. By your logic, Palestinians shouldn't have given their land back to the people claiming they were indigenous, ie their current occupiers
If the US OWNED the land you lived on, yes, they have a right to kick you out. The British owned that land and gave it to the jews.
@bobbyd6040 Holy moly the first pro Palestinian I've seen who is saying the Palestinians aren't indigenous lmfao what a rare sight
@@noahgeorge5583 I'm going by the position you're taking. You can't claim to be indigenous & then not indigenous based on how it suits you. I'm demonstrating how your argument collapses in on itself, but it went right over your head
@21:00 end of dolus and start of inferencing geno from circumstantial events
Do any of these people think and see beyond their own nose? I'll pose just one question: What do you think will happen when the players change, and they will change, so your protectors won't be as powerful anymore? What future and guarantee are you leaving for future generations?Why is hatred always stronger than truth?
I’m looking forward to Krystal’s conversation with Destiny
she will cry play victim
She won’t because then she would have to do research and not just complain about everything. I’m no destiny fan at all. But the dude at least tries to learn about subjects besides just what the tik tok opinion is.
She's not gonna do that, lol. Easier to smear him without examples.
@@megafanflash she’s Don Lemons new replacement…
After she saw Destiny “Dog Walk” her employee Ryan the other day, this was her chance to take a shot at him without chance of him directly replying to her.
I wish more discussions were held in the similarities of the Native American history with settler Americans in the Americas, and the Palestinians.
💯
Was listening to a 'left wing" Zionist who says this is anti semetic 😅
We had that conversation, you lost. Don't act like every tribe didn't do exactly the same thing, we were just stronger. You are now welcomed into the existing society so if you have a problem with that, go out in the woods, set up a tent and try it for a while.
@@tomjackson4374amen … survival of the fittest
The line is, "I came I saw I conquered" Not "I came I saw I felt really really bad...."
I don’t see how anyone can honestly believe Norm “dog walked” Destiny. Norm argued in an objectively weak way: he appealed to authority, he made false equivalencies and he insulted his opponent. Lost a lot of respect for breaking points
When someone totally denies reality you kind of have to appeal to authority. For example, if Destiny argues Israel is not an apartheid state and things are totally great for Palestinians, you could try to explain all the ways things are bad for them which could take a long time, or point out that all major NGOs say they are. Israel is the government in the West Bank and Gaza but they dont give them voting rights, not will they allow a state. The entire system is designed to suppress the non-jews including inside of Israel proper where they werent allowed to vote until it was obvious they were in a state of perpetual decline relative to the Jewish majority in 67. Israel is a US military outpost, nothing more. None of the other shit matters
@@ArchesBro If Israel is the government of Gaza how exactly did Hamas get elected
@@Metaphix The US decided there would be an election. Hamas won in both the West Bank and Gaza. Israel arrested HUGE numbers of people during the election so it was obviously not democratic. After Hamas won, they were not allowed to govern as the majority, instead the US couped them in both territories. Hamas was arrested in West Bank and Hamas expelled PA in Gaza. This creates the split government result Israel was looking for so it can continue to take territory in the west bank, so Israel pulled its settlers from Gaza. The goal is pretty obvious, they want all of the west bank and an underclass of people that work for cheap and will boost the economy as slaves. What other reason would there be for the US to decide to run an election in Palestine but not allow Hamas to win? The US and Israel control everything in Greater Israel
You telling me the guy with the constant ad hominem attacks , constantly virtue signaling and misquotes from a book with the author sitting in front of him wasn’t the youtuber who clearly didn’t belong here?
PSA for Destiny fans: You've used your allocated use of 'ad hominem' for the day 💀
If you watched the entire thing, you'll see that the ad hominem attacks didn't happen until later and he didn't misquote anything. He was pointing out Benny Morris' self-contradiction. He has moved to the right, and can't admit it.
seems that everyone agrees.
Still colonialism and genocide. Now cope and seeth.
@@bobbyg3097 min and 51 likes😂 they are litteraly organizing💀
Wtf is Destiny doing up there. I used to watch him play StarCraft 2 like 10 years ago 😂
He is debating Israel Palestine.
He's propped up by Israelis
😂😂😂
If only there was a lying Olympics......
There was mass cleansing of ethic Germans from a number of European countries at end of ww2. These ethic Germans had lived outside of Germany for generations. The ethic cleansing was promoted by the US. It took place in winter and many people died. This is the European civilisations that Destiny says would not allow ethnic cleanliness to occur in Palestine. Are you kidding countries do horrible things and the USA has been complicit in a lot of injustices in the world in ww2 up to the present time
I remember reading an experience from a lady. In Yugoslavia, some german prisoners (probably nazi soldiers), were kept in jail, but created many things such as toys. I feel sorry for civilians, but not for people who injured someone.
Thank you for making the equivalence of Nazis and Palestinians even clearer. lol.
What is your nonsensical point?! Don’t you get it already?! 6 months from October 7th and a clean 50% of the population KNOWS that fakeisrael is genocidal entity that was propped up by lies….at this rate by Christmas 90%+ of world population will learn the same truth! I wouldn’t want to be listed on any online site as a “agent of genocide”, I would QUIT if I were you.
Don’t think the headline is accurate
Thank you for covering this meeting. ❤
You should watch it instead, she did a poor job
About the ICJ decision, there has been a lot of sionists trying to water down the case by saying "the ICJ didn't state that Israel commited genocide". But that was not the scope of that decision. At this point, the ICJ was not asked to judge whether Israel is commiting genoce, but only to take urgent measures based on a first / quick view of the situation. It will take a long time for the ICJ to come to that conclusion (it requires a cease-fire and independent investigation). The decision was about "provisionnal measures", that is, urgent measures taken on the basis of a plausible harm. The ICJ took, basically unanimously, a total of 6 measures ordering Israel to basically stop and prevent everything it's doing in Gaza, precisely because the ICJ found that, prima facie ("at first sight"), there was a plausible case for genocide, which a big statement coming from the highest court of the world.
in before destiny's incel fanbase scream "bUt DoLuS sPeCiAliS?!?!"
they didnt tell them to stop anything, they just said dont violate international law and left it at that
@@non-bloggerthe fact that Norm claimed to read the case 4 times but didn’t know an important phrase used multiple times in the case shows how little Norm cares for the truth.
What you said is inaccurate. They did NOT order Israel to stop and prevent everything it’s doing in Gaza. They simply stated they would investigate further.
c'mon, the ICJ is 100% a political court, they condemned Russia and indited Putin pretty quick and now they "don't have conclusive evidence"?! give me a break
Destiny is such a joke , I don't know why people give that dude a spot light
He rides the line between right and left, validating alt right people on his platform and going on theirs. It’s what’s really exploded him this past year
He has no redeeming qualities. Addyd out, fast talking, petty, neo-lib. He represents a generation of low t men that are basically future boomers.
He has no redeeming qualities. Addyd out, fast talking, petty, neo-lib. He represents a generation of low t men that are basically future boomers.
He has no redeeming qualities. Addyd out, fast talking, petty, neo-lib. He represents a generation of low t men that are basically future boomers.
He has no redeeming qualities. Addyd out, fast talking, petty, neo-lib. He represents a generation of low t men that are basically future boomers.
This was a great piece. Good job.
Krystal is a big Finkelstein fan. lol
Imagine if she was Destiny's lol
Who isn't lmao. Sorry for the destiny fans he got humiliated cope harder
Okay? Everyone should be
@@konstantinkrastev4478like when
@@konstantinkrastev4478How was he humiliated? What did Finkelstein do instead of appealing to emotion, throwing insults, and occasionally screaming?
Dolus Specialis isnt some obscure legal terminology... IT IS *THE* STANDARD REQUIRED FOR SOMETHING TO BE A GENOCIDE.
In the case of genocide it literally just means intent. Your misunderstanding is so embarrassing.
Destiny is one of those white nationalist manlets that thinks Latin makes everything special
Lots of people Googling this term and becoming experts over the past day or two.
@@Brewmaster757 Misunderstanding? Where? I don't think he's the one that should be embarrassed.
@@Brewmaster757it means the special intent, which would be equivalent to the standard. If you meet the special intent required then you've met the standard.
I struggle to see ANY difference between zionism & nazism.
That’s because you aren’t intelligent enough 👍🏻
Scale. That's it.
@PoliticsReal also intent, if isreal actually wanted to kill all Palestinians they'd all be dead by now, but their population is actually growing ......
Legitimate 10 IQ comment. I bet you “struggle” with many things, including tying up your shoelaces or using a toilet without adult supervision.
Legitimate 10 IQ comment. I bet you “struggle” with many things, including tying up your shoelaces or using a toilet without adult supervision
Krystal : Destiny was a child at the grown up table.
Child? Only one was calling people names
@@ChantelJordan-fm7kx considering how disrespectful destiny is i am not suprised
@@C3l3bi1 So you didn't watch. He was not disrespectful at all.
@@ChantelJordan-fm7kxin his past
@@theycallmealex454 what
Krystal giving destiny shit about a term in latin when destiny is the one saying he gets his shit from wiki? Krystal contradicts herself here multiple times on this point. Krystal and finklestein are the ones that are implying you need some scholar type of education to discuss this topic but also giving people shit who say this?? Haha its wild no one pulls her up on this, its the same sentence
25:28... Mr Morris, in response to Mr. Finkelstein's saying "Don't complain about October 7th" says, with a smirk on his face, "Do you hear me complaining? I'm not complaining..."
they're not complaining because they don't give two shits about the victims of their families. They were aware it was going to happen, allowed it to happen, then used it as a pretext for a full blown invasion and extermination of the Palestinians.
I was shocked when I heard him saying this
One thing about most Zionists, they aren’t shy about sharing their true intentions.
Out of context/cherry picked quoting aside, Morris' point is the broader actions of Hamas and Palestinian terrorists should be used evaluate Israel's response. Making it seem like Benny Morris, a Jew, is glad people died is sad excuse of criticism.
@@KG9551 The "im not complaining" means he acknowledges the palestinians right to violent resisstance, while he calls the specific acts of Oct 7 "like barbarians". How is he reevealing anything bad here? What true intentions?
Best way to open the hearts of Benny Morris and Stephen Bonnell is to send to send them to the Gaza Strip and see for themselves. Otherwise, they will never actually believe what's happening. Also bear in mind Israel is not allowing any independent journalists into Gaza
Destiny is actually going to Israel and will be visiting the West Bank with Lonerbox at some point soon. He can be a raging edge lord at times, but he's at least willing to directly view the ground situation on this topic. Not many Western political commentators are willing to do that, and that's on both the Israel and Palestine side. Everyone would rather farm views for ad revenue while contributing absolutely nothing to the situation.
Two things. One is that the West Bank is not Gaza. (I get that he couldn't actually go to Gaza now but still.) There are clubs and shops in Ramallah where it would be hard for you to tell that you were not someplace in Europe. There are other places where there are cages, walls, violence, etc. He will not have the difficulties getting around that Palestinians have to endure and that is another thing. Then there are the settlements. Whether they would let him in there is another question. Many who go to visit are shown off with guns or other forms of intimidation. If they let him in and give him the red carpet treatment, once again another story. The second thing is just how open-minded this guy is. Some people, as in the absolutely brilliant film, Zone of Interest, can live right next to a goddamn extermination camp and not see anything wrong whatsoever. That is, their mind is "literally closed." I am not sure about this guy, it is possible he is one of those who is not open to information/facts that disturb his mind palace. He sure as hell thinks he is right about everything and finding contradictory information might melt his brain. I cold be pleasantly surprised but I suspect he will go and come back with a load of "facts" that simply support his already deeply held position.@@DefinitelyNotJ749
@@DefinitelyNotJ749he will more than likely be escorted by the IDF and being shown a curated view which is very common
Wrong. Just wait and see. He's talked for hours on his stream about not going into the nice parts and intentionally going to see the bad parts. Escorted by idf or not, you know nothing about hik@@Amila-ym7ny
Benny Morris is a lost cause. He has decided since teo decades to close his heart when it comes to palestinians
“It’s what every Israeli fears the most; the law”. Exactly, Mr. Finkelstein!
Krystal is rocking that baby glow. Congratulations to her and her family.
too bad her ideas are so ugly
15:27 If I ran you over by accident, I'm accountable, 100%, sure, I'm guilty, even if i tried my best to avoid it. But that is NOT the same as running you over on purpose WITH INTENT while celebrating it calling others to run you over as well.
You don't understand what intent is.
May irony never find you Krystal.
Nd can can you explain how you cut water and food without intent, do you understand what top to down polocy means 😂😂😂😂
"Mr Burgerelli"
Not going to lie, this take was my breaking point with breaking points. It doesn’t matter if you know anything about the issue - just watch this analysis through the filter of the quality of arguments. Circular reasoning. Ad hominems. If you 100% agree with them and hope intelligent people are convinced they’re doing you a disservice with this style of argument.
the interrupting by that gamer was rage inducing
I wonder if he will ever look back at this and cringe.
Israele defined term WAR. This is not WAR
What is it then, basketball?
@@user-rj5fj7wr1h Illegal occupation, massacre, genocide.
Jen oh side.
@@user-rj5fj7wr1hit’s a slaughter
It is war, Hamas just sucks at it. That's what happens when you poke the bear.
Destiny is like internet comments personified
Lol he wasnt the one throwing personal insults the whole time
@@bookerdewitt6346that’s probably because destiny has 0 respect for Palestinian life and loves to white wash Israel’s super fascist ministers
lol
And yet he was better than Norm. Who could only muster weak insults
Destiny is a cult leader among terminally online NEETs. Hes well trained.
Win or loose, it is good that these "debates" happen.
Wait you are saying we give more lenience to the democratic state than a terrorist organization. Also the court did not find that there is a plausible genocide but instead that the Palestine have the right to be protected against genocide and that South Africa can bring the case.
The same organization that created Israel in 1947 also created the WHO, ICC and the ICJ. South Africa’s charge was never expected to be successful. These things had been green lit and overseen by this organization since ever since 47. It was simply meant to draw attention to the severity of the situation. Why do you think no other Arab or Islamic nation has done the same?
This is a completely different take than I had. I really don’t like Destiny but Finkelstein didn’t school him at all. He kept turning to personal attacks and name calling. I am not an expert on the subject but once he let his anger take over and resorted to insults I lost all respect for his arguments. Maybe he’s just not a good debater but I watched the entire 5hrs and his behavior left me with a completely different impression than Krystal. I am not educated enough to make a clear judgement and I don’t really care enough to choose a side. Anyhow, that’s just my 2 cents
Krystal is just a partisan, she only agrees with those that confirm her priors. She's never had a critical thought about Finkelstein because she agrees with him.
What makes you think Destiny deserves respect here? Finklestein is an expert and an activist, but he absolutely never pretends to respect people he doesn't, he means it, he's not playing some social media game.
@@pietzsche So did he school him or did he feel it was beneth him to do so? Make up your mind.
@@pietzscheBenny Morris certainly deserves respect
@@ZombieLincoln666 Why?
In what universe would the forceful transfer of an indigenous population hurt your legitimacy in the West? Does he know what happened to the Native Americans, Irish, Indians, or Ghanaians?
It's embarrassing that he made that statement across the table from those two, and actually thinking it carried water. It's like when you were a child and you thought the American military are the good guys who come in and stop the baddies based on the movies you grew up watching.
If the United States backs it, it's considered legitimate, pure and simple, because that's how power works.
That was really an eyeopener; I didn't actually think Destiny was that ignorant of world history, but there you go.
@Porter90You lost me at Finklebiatch lost bigly.
@Porter90 how many times are you going to copy and paste that Dumbass commentary, then CRINGILY like your post 😂😂😅
Mr. Tortellini changes goalposts constantly.
Dont agree with this take at all. I don't share anything in common with Destiny politically but I believe he represented admirably.
What is profoundly concerning is the fact that supremacist colonialist thinking of past centuries is still so vivid in western minds. For us in the global South, it is revealing of a still everlasting supremacist ideology deeply imbeded in western minds. Except for a minority unfortunately.
Don't you agree that at some point you have to surrender even if your cause is just. Like if the war stagnated in Ukraine, Ukrainians might think they're justified in fighting forever. At some point you just gotta stop and settle for peace. Fighting forever is no way to live
@@Noah-yc3nsthe palastinians wanted to surrender when they gave you 80 percent of thier historical homeland, and you now want the west bank wich means arasing palastine completely, you are not even ging them the choice of surrender dude. So they have no choice but to fight. And the Algerians fought the French for 200 years, just saying.
@@Noah-yc3ns
why do you support the na-zis?
that's not a rhetorical question.
@@nartali9683 so you agree the Palestinians should have settled for peace in 2001 at Taba? Or should they keep running away from peace deals because it's unfair?
@@Noah-yc3ns yes they shold have, but geniuses like you dont even understand that doesnt give israel the right to steal more land, if the discussion is about history purley i would agree with you yasser arafat is a human after all but all what you are doing is not to discuss history but a laughable attempt to blame palstinians for the actions of israel and its extreamist setllers. rather than blaming the israelis for expanding the settlments for 30 years you want to blame the palastinians the same way the european settlers were blaming american natives for their fate.
I don’t agree with destiny on most things, however having a half an hour video showing only one side of a conversation and saying that the other side doesn’t have any good points seems a bit biased
Exactly
Ya think? BP has become a Palestinian propaganda channel.
I mean to be fair this was Krystal's daily Anti-Israel segment.
Krystal is clearly biased when it comes to this issue.
Everyone is biased and when the media pretends they are not, it is propoganda. Every single talking head has biases that inform their views and impact their coverage. The key is knowing their biases to assess their views and statements. If you're not doing this, then it is just PR
oh, now the norms are being tested huh? not in Korea, not in Cambodia, not in Yemen?
Essentially
“True reconcilement can never grow where the wounds of deadly hate have pierced so deep”
- Thomas Paine
Germany and Japan prove that statement to be untrue.
This is false. People can and do compromise and reconcile. It's happened all throughout history, but it sounds nice I guess.
them talking about not seeing anyone die of starving is so frustrating. Are they not seeing what we see everyday in social media??
@@JassZoigel Literal dozens of Palestinians have died from starvation IN HOSPITALS, meaning these are only the cases we know of.
None is as blind as he who will not see.
In Destiny's defense he did mention two reports on deaths from starvation contradicting Morris. Destiny let Morris take the L on that one
They suffer from Three Monkeys syndrome (see, hear, speak no evil).
Not defending destiny here but "are they not seeing it on social media?" is an astounding statement to make.
Mouin Rabbani is the gem here. He upheld perfect decorum the entire time and was the most efficient with his time speaking and facts. Destiny so casually dismisses the facts about clean water and food being blocked is very disappointing.
15:30
No?
He just said that if you want to pull the "war crime" card for Israel, Hamas is guilty of the same crimes so there isnt really a point to making the argument
Selective aplication of the law and justice creates frustrations, which in turn leads to terrorism.
“Dog walk”…seriously?? You guys at Breaking Points are supposed to be better than that.
Cry about it some more
Destiny's takes on this issue been bothering poor Krystal for a long time 😂😂
but he got dog walked
@elite7329 breaking points has 6 year old children? Makes sense.
Yeah its not nice to compare a mental patient to a dog
Thank you for mentioning Dresden! This Allied attack on civilians is overlooked so often.
I never knew what Destiny's last name was before this. Actually I still don't know.
You mentioned Steven Bonnell, but you forgot to mention Messers. Borelli, Bonnelli, Morelli, Spaghetti, Fettuccini, Arancini, and Vermicelli
why do all you destiny fans regurgitate the same joke all thinking its funny to people who don't worship him?
@@ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010 ? I cant stand Destiny lol
@@ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010 I think it’s funny. Sounds like projection. You don’t like that people are pointing out that your idol got the name wrong multiple times and multiple different names. It’s funny.
@@coreyaruecker you are really disjointed here do even know what projection means? it makes no sense to say that
@@ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010 Its not a joke, its Finkelstein rambling like lunatic that makes it funny. Blabla im neither a Steven fan, yet I'm diffidently not a fan of the mad old man screaming like a child, who could only retort to lying, deceiving (all his quotes where wildly out of context) and ad hominin attacks.
This should've been a breeze for the old man, yet in no way was it.
The real shocking part was just how callous, racist, and borderline fascistic Morris was. His argument ultimately boiled down purely to might makes right - in his view, the law doesnt matter, international organizations dont matter, morality doesnt matter, nothing matters except power.
I loved the part where Finklestein said he cares about the international law and applauded Houthis in the same breath.
Obviously you wouldn't know that Houthis have no casus belli to attack other nations and even if they did, it's against international law to target civilians, who are the only ones aboard the ships they sunk and taken hostage.
Hmmm wouldn't play the racist card too quickly especially with Finkelstein involved..... He called his immigrant neighbors Apes.. said he was going to throw them in a zoo with bananas and threatened to have them deported. Same guy who felt the Charlie hebdo people had it coming..... Had ties to Iran ...Yeah great guy you all worship
Mind Begs the Question:
- If Google/Amazon/Corporates
- Support and Aid a State
- Who engage in Starvation,Death Camps,Pogroms,Gassing/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Pro Democracy or Pro Nazi?
You havnt realuzed that leftists motive is only power yet? FOR SHAME.
@@galileogalilei9297The Houthi’s are the only ones following international law by directly opposing a genocide campaign. Also, the Houthis haven’t killed anybody during their actions against cargo ships passing through the strait that have ties to Israeli and/or their cohorts. Comparing a country violating international law by committing apartheid, ethnic cleansing, and genocide vs a militant group that is actively trying to disrupt that country committing genocide is borderline retarded.
If Krystal Ball is confident about her thorough knowledge on this subject just get Douglas Murray on your show.
If this is a New Right vs New Left channel. Just get Douglas Murray vs Krystal Ball.
It all just boils down to might makes right. Nobody wants to admit this.
I'm sure destiny won't mind signing half his house away to me after I move into it against his will...
He doesn't own a house. Says he's saving up for one tho.
He responded to this already.
He said he would absolutely protect his home with deadly force of this was tried.
However, he doesn’t believe this applicable to Israel Palestine because that happened such a long time ago.
So a better analogy would be…
How would you react if someone stole 50% of your great great grandfather’s home? Would you use deadly force on the thieves great great grandchildren even though their great great grandchildren had nothing to do with the thievery?
Destiny doesn't own a house. Just like the palestinians don't and never have owned a state. So go ahead and do it lmao
He won't mind if you take 30%of his wife tho
@@tonycaballero1494 if you know, you know...
Wait, so believe what is on Tick Tok without confirmation?
Read books and academic journals for information not Wiki.
when she said he should go on tik tok more and watch those videos... i closed my eyes and exhaled through my teeth.
@Porter90 Yeah, he lost dropping nothing but facts on his Destiny's ignorant head. Imagine still thinking Israel is in the right at this late date. Your stupidity is astounding
@Porter90troll, just say good-night, Irene. Now.
Well , that comment is because AIPAC has yet to control tiktok.
Facebook , CNN, Fox etc are completely controlled & censored.
Tiktok, Rumble, Aljeera are able to put out the information from both sides. Thus somewhat more neutral & balanced . Have you noticed that each year more & more censorship & control of media grows in America. The rest of the World sees much more than what Americas are able to see. Reminds me of Stalin’s Soviet Union . Still time to avoid this but not much time left because of A.I. use in control & censorship.
What the last couple of years have shown in Europe and America is how liberal these liberals realy are when it comes to the crunch... Anarchy and Peace...
20:01 The sarcasm 😂😂😂
I have no clue who the destiny kid is, but I do not understand why people were so upset about his being on the podcast. He obviously didn’t come across as an expert, but I didn’t find anything he said to be particularly absurd. The guest who seemed most incapable of constructive discussion on the topic was Norm. Everyone should read Plato’s Gorgias and Thomas Sowell’s work ‘Intellectuals and Society’. It’s important to learn how to spot sophists, such as Norm.
Completely agree. I’m no fan of Destiny but he was treated with complete disrespect by Norm, which speaks everything to Norms character, he’s a hack.
If you didn't find anything Destiny said to be absurd and instead find fault with Normal Finklestein then perhaps you should donate all of your organs to those in need soon. Dump the brain though.
Mr. Borelli literally made the case that the West's morality would not accept the killing of civilians.
You didn't find anything he said absurd? Lol. He says dropping nukes in 2 million people isn't genocide. Jim Crow south isn't apartheid.
@@italia189 You simply dont understand his arguments. He says all those things are bad but dont rise to the very specific charges of "genocide" and "apartheid". For genocide you need the specific intent to eradicate a whole people simply dropping a nuke in the war without the intent is not genocide AGAIN THIS IS STILL A BAD THING. but not the specific crime of genocide
@@italia189 and his argument for jim crow laws not being apartheid is that they were not specific laws .again not that they were good. but that the charge of "apartheid" is only for laws.