Dave Smith VS Vaush HEATED DEBATE On Ukraine, NATO, Nuclear War
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- Ryan and Emily are joined by Dave Smith and Vaush to debate Ukraine, NATO and the risk of nuclear war.
Vaush: / @vaush
Dave Smith: ComicDaveSmith?re...
Timestamps:
(00:00)Intro
(1:07)Should America continue funding Ukraine?
(39:02)How should this war end?
(59:36)NATO
(1:12:30)EoS
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Why invite Vaush? We’re debating foreign policy not age of consent
😂
LMAO! I was just thinking the same thing. Search that man's laptop.
What does the "age of consent" line refer to? Is he a "map" or something?
@@timbarry5080 Man has dreams of grapping lolis with horse parts.
Or debating if kiddie porn should be illegal.
To call Vaush a pseudointellectual is an insult to pseudointellectuals.
Some of the finest people I know are pseudointellectuals
@@gefiltefist2088 The Best and the White-ist
Name calling is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
LOL
That's brilliant bumpkin
Remember when leftists used to be against war ?
Yeah, sad to see people like Dave, who call themselves leftist but unconditionally side with fascist regimes invading neighbouring countries
Rightists have always consistently simped for foreign authoritarian dictators
Being against Russia invading sounds like that
We have always being against war, that's why we support Russia
@@ericsuarez834" I'm against war, so I am pro offensive war" is the craziest take I've ever heard
The minute some " expert " says the conflict started with Russia invading in 2022 I start getting nauseous.
So, will you say the same for a premeditated murder where "the reason" was justified then we dont the condemn the murderer and instead justify it. Seems like similar case here, whatever led to the invasion cannot justify another bigger country invading a sovereign nation at this day and age. I am from India and China is doing the same tactics everyday but India has developed as a good enough military power so we can handle China on our own if there is an attempt of an invasion in our country, cannot say the same for Ukraine.
The latest invasion is simply when Putin's acts became criminal. Until then it was just a skirmish over Crimea. A place most counties still do NOT recognize as belonging to Russia. Currently, Putin has an arrest warrant issued from an International Criminal Court for alleged acts in Ukraine.
@@priyogopalsingha3487Western Kool-Aid, friend! How much Bezos, Gates stake in ole Hindustan these days?
SMGDMFH!🙄
🤘🌎❤️
@@priyogopalsingha3487 You’re clearly not very bright. 🤡
Russian “volunteers “ were active in the area before 2022.
This tactic had been used by both sides, for example ww1 and ww2 American volunteers were present at the conflict zone, without Americans officially being at war.
Vaush is so cringe to me.
It’s like he’s a can that is brought in for everyone to meet up. Tim Pool took him to school. Wasn’t he on the whatever program? If that was him he got wrecked there too. I don’t remember exactly but I seem to get wrecked at least two or three times. The dude is a borderline pedophile, and all his thinking at least that is disgusting anyhow
Video has been out for 8 minutes lets atleast hear out the guys delusional take.
@@Screaming-Beeswhen he says that the USA does not make decisions based on what could increase its geopolitical power I had to know tk never take anything the days seriously because he doesn’t live in reality
@@Screaming-Bees
We don't need to. He literally is into lolicon and other degenerate things
@@Screaming-Beesvaush is a fool.
Vaush should never be taken in good faith on any topic except children's anime
Or goblins
He mistook those children for short stack goblin creatures
Agreed.
I heard he knows a lot about horses as well.
@@zarbins you got it all wrong, he identifies as a horse as he imagines himself railing kids. This makes it completely okay
Russia didn't started the conflic in 1962. Cuba's missiles were placed in Cuba by the USSR because the United States placed missiles in Turkey and in Italy. So, it was still in reaction to the actions that the Americans started against them. Again.
(((Americans)))
blah blah blah bot
@@samexoldx it's soooooo deep.( nope).
Wait...if that's the case, was the Bay of Pigs Invasion and all those assassination attempts on Castro justified? Because those were all examples of the US taking action in response to the USSR expanding its sphere of influence to within that of the US.
And the US implemented the Truman Doctrine because communist expansion would have threatened their capitalist regime. And we return to Square 1.
Bringing up the bay of pigs without mentioning US bases in Turkey seems disingenuous.
And why did the US put missiles in Turkey??? There was a reason. Russia put missiles, troops and equipment on its boarder to Georgia.
It seems disingenuous to pretend either party was to blame. In life and chess teams make moves to advance their interests and in response to others moves.
@@skylanh4319 on their border to Georgia? Still within their own country ? Outrageous!!
@@skylanh4319 yea it’s called the Monroe doctrine
both you and the guy in the video are screwing up the timeline and causal sequence of these events, i.e. basically just confusing the bay of pigs with the cuban missile crisis
@@skylanh4319
Russia put missiles on its border shared with Georgia , only 15 years after they lost almost 30 million of their own from an invading European nation ?
That’s irrational ! 🙄
WHAT is VAUSH DOING HERE? Stop wasting Dave's time.
Vaush
📂 📂 📂
"Ahhhh!"
"I'm a size queen"
Vaush is a PDF file.
Vaush sucks etc but you are low IQ if you think dave is an intellectual giant
He took money from one of blackrocks subsidiaries, so that gives him the right to stooge for them 😛
Dave has plenty of time to waste I assure you 😂😂
Vaush is proof that you don't have to be smart to be a nerd
Hahaha that's gold
They’re called dweebs
Wow, what poignant critic.....
He isn't even a nerd
There is no fat on that zing. Well done
It didn’t even take Vaush 10 minutes to use the word “Fascist.”
Marxist too
I think the word has completely lost its meaning.
Time stamp and context?
@@jamesk3612 Watch the vid ?
Yeah but he called Putin a fascist. What is Putin if not fascist?
Vaush: “like i dont have the answer here or like some Convenient answer of how to solve this…”
Also Vaush: “ But what do we do today Dave!?!? You wont answer that question!”
Dave Smith: "I did answer that! Like I said, Putin should have never invaded "
😂😂😂
@@KenHayes0 he actually laid out an actual peace deal that involves Russia keeping Crimea, the US leaving NATO, and the idea of tactical empathy in that each side gets to claim some sort of victory. He's 1000% right and being a realist here. Everyone who disagrees with his take is basically saying they're fine with hundreds and thousands of more people to die for no reason for basically this exact peace deal just happening later... Like wtf are we talking about here? Putin bad!
That was sort of the point. He wants an answer because, as he clearly stated multiple times, this is a horrible situation and the current solution Vaush himself had would end up in many people dying with no real guarantee of even a decent outcome in the future while Davids only real position was criticisms of what already happened. It took him almost an entire hour to finally respond and his response was that the US should leave NATO. I don't know how you can hear that and think David was in the right.
@@KilinjaroA peace deal predicated on the US leaving NATO is probably the only way this ends without nukes and/or US boots on the ground. Or do you have a better solution than Vaush's "unending war of attrition" strategy?
@@squirreltakular9049 so your solution is to give in to empty threats of nuclear war?
Also, yea it's kind of dire for Ukraine, but the war is long not lost yet, Russia is absolutely losing when it comes to territorial gains and to some degree weaponry and supply, the only winning ground they have is manpower.
I don't think "US boots on the ground" is a very likely outcome and sounds more like a fearmongering line than anything
The closest we've ever gotten to any western boots on the ground action was Macron.
Note: Pre- Bay of Pigs the US placed nukes in Turkey aimed at Russia. Ultimately, behind the scenes, Kennedy and Khrushchev agreed that the US would remove nukes and the Soviet Union would withdraw. Stipulation was the agreement never be made public.
Beat it, nerd. We're talking about Vaush's 'tax' folder.
@edwardtora
Even though what that guy said was true and relevant, I stand by your response!
There's a time for "facting" and there's time for "vaushing" 😅😅😅
@@edwardtora 😂😂❤️
@@alanbeam7187 I would normally be jumping on that too. I was just so pissed off about EVERYTHING today.
@@edwardtora 😂😂I’ll join you for a proper Vaush bashing next time! Was just really bent out of shape today.
Vaush is awful
Not as awful as the thicc, short-stacked goblins he's into
Dave wouldn't fuck you.
So no counter points?
@@atheistmecca971 C'mon, man....
@atheistmecca971 My counter points are fuck l*licon. That's my counter point.
I love Dave Smith’s domestic policy and he’s not without valid points. Just his prescriptions seem idiotic like somehow he thinks Russia is going to be a good actor if we give them what they want obviously not paying attention to modern history or history in general. And all of his reasoning seems to be but America did something bad so we should let other bad people do bad things and we have no right to step in anywhere and do anything. I don’t know if he hasn’t thought about it enough but what does he think the world will be like with China or Russia or both as the hedge amount of power or God forbid China and Russia going at it to be the hegemonic power just seems like he has a very critical lack of foresight into the issue moving past the Cold War
I hate vosh btw
Putin did ask Clinton if Russia could join NATO , he was turned down without a second thought.
And the Russians are very suspicious of the Chinese, and Russians identify as European with western culture, if you’ve ever been there you would know what I’m talking about.
The US has driven Russia into Chinas arms.
But you are missing his secondary point. By funding the war in Ukraine, you are killing thousands of people in vain, because Ukraine cannot win.
So by “helping” Ukraine, you are causing thousands of people to die and you are simply prolonging the inevitable.
It’s a lose lose scenario.
And you are also making weapons manufacturers very rich.
Seems like you know the american version of history where everybody is a villain except for US and maybe some of european allies and all the shit US done to the world is just mistakes, accidents etc.
The irony is that you don't even understand how nazi is your position. To still think that US can be judge on who's a bad and good actor is ridiculous. With today ratio of civillian to military deaths in Ukraine Russia can't kill the same amount of civillians even if Ukraine conscripts all men who can hold a gun and they all will be killed. 60 years of war, 10 millions soldiers killed - and still it would be less civillian casualties than US in Iraq. And that's only one US war.
But you can keep calling dozens of invasions, overthrowing legitimate governments and murdering millions of people just "America did something bad"
The FBI should check Vaush"s temp internet files.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
It's the FBI, they'd protect him as one of their own
@@canisrex5142 yeah 😆 no doubt
@@canisrex5142his parents work in Hollywood. So, it explains it.
Vaush sucks
Funny how Russia's expansionist aims started riiiiight after a US backed coup. Weird they took Crimea with the Russian Black Sea Fleet so soon after Neuland's 'F the EU' phone call.
Afraid of a legit debater to go against Dave? Don't feel like less of a person when you're idea are challenged
@@billsny9243😂 butthurt?
hard
"do you have a peer reviewed study for that?" - Vaush probably
Straight to comments.
😂 💯
😂😂😂
Not disappointed in the least
Exactly! 😂
Same. Confirmed, I am not crazy.
Dude with glasses is absolutly living in some different reality.
If you don't want to accept reality and believe Putin's talking points, then yes, it's a different reality for you
@@upstanding_citizen It's wild how you are still propagandized into believing Putin has that much power over Americans.
@@upstanding_citizen what talking points exactly you mean? my guess is you are sort of a person who believes Biden has no dementia…
@@RobertCannesRobert Biden has dementia, Trump is a crook, we are screwed
@@RobertCannesRobertwhat is that comparison? Saying that Putin lies is saying that the sky is blue, all politicians lie. And yes, Biden is senile
Vausch only argues in hypotheticals
Yes, he's a mentally ill neoliberal leftist, redundant I know.
Hypotheticals actually address the issue and cut people off from going on some stupid rant that has nothing to do with anything. No wonder Vaush's opponents hate them, they certainly don't come into the debates thinking they can make a good point to anyone
Dave Smith used hypotheticals during this conversation too.
I noticed that every counter argument he provides so confidently is a “maybe” statement that hinges on his warped understanding of human nature.
@@ashfox7498
"Hypotheticals actually address the issue and cut people off from going on some stupid rant that has nothing to do with anything."
Hypotheticals are only useful when they are as realistic as possible when they become too abstract to the point you can justify anything including pedophilia being moral then you lost the plot.
"No wonder Vaush's opponents hate them, they certainly don't come into the debates thinking they can make a good point to anyone"
And what good point did Vaush make?
Vaush snickering at the possibility of nuclear war is all I need to see to understand how un-serious he is. He's a transparent grifter that just wants to 'own' his opponent. Genuinely gross.
“Nuclear war 😱😱” = I’m scared of empty threats from the russian state.. giving in to nuclear blackmail is to fall for Putins schemes and tricks..
Right, just let pootin take over the dirty useless Ukraine, appeasement has a wonderful historical track record. And Russia having a direct border to NATO Poland is guaranteed to not bring us any closer to a newclear war 😌
🤪🤡🤡🤡
Is this sarcasm? Putin has been threatening nuclear war for decades
The Russians love threatening nuclear war because it gets foolish people in the west scared. If there is nuclear war, it will be on him, not on NATO or the west. All of the “west is aggressive…made promises to Gorbachev…poor Russia” talk you hear from brainlets on the internet was hatched and carefully designed massage from the Kremlin.
No one is nuking anyone else. Even if nato went to war to protect Ukraine, the Russians would back down. They tend to behave themselves when military power is used.
@jackeagleeye3453 source : trust me bro
You can't bring up missiles in Cuba without bringing up missiles in Turkey.
yes he can if Dave is too dumb to bring it up
Amen
Oh shit that’s a great point lol. Funny how Russia didn’t invade Turkey
@@acewings221Instead Russia countermoved with Cuba, so then America took its missiles out of Turkey. That last bit was, well, ahem....... less publicised........ because USA always likes to play the dick-swinging Chad part, and not be 'seen' to go home limp.
It did go home limp, it's just that many didn't get to hear about it - by design.
Because it went home limp the United Satans had to prove it's manhood all over again by beating up on little countries like Vietnam, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Granada etc etc just to prove to the world how big and strong he is.
@@acewings221Turkey is a part of NATO that would have been war with the USA
In essence "I'm all for fighting Russia with American money and Ukrainian bodies" -Wash
So you would just let the Ukrainians be defeated by Russia?
Yes. The united states is entirely puppeting Ukranian bodies to fight against their mortal enemy, Russia
that argument is just as immoral as "oh its a testing ground for nato weapons and tactics." I've seen this one a lot and its sickening.
@@Kroq_Garit’s just as sickening as just let Ukraine get invaded by Russia.
@@fox1actual It s not a problem when the US does it, Israel does it, or other US allies like Turkey do it.
Why is it a problem now ?
Reconcile nationalism bad with the recognition of national entities.
There is a good documentary on the subject - "Ukraine on fire", produced by Oliver Stone, that pulls out interesting interviews from people directly participating in Maidan -
Absolutely great documentary.
Vaush=someone who thinks they are intelligent.
Dave=someone who shows they are intelligent.
Dave is just the latest in a happy line of libertarian populist grifters to grace YT.
@@mcmeissner9394I bet you liked your own comment
@@orenthalsimpsonpopulism is for regards 😂
@@mcmeissner9394 latest? He's been around for 10+ years. Also, he never grifts. He talks about libertarianism, but he is genuine, he never forces it on people, and he doesn't overly promote.
@@mcmeissner9394 Nah, he isn't a grifter. He's merely a "Libertarian" who just so happens to hold all the exact political opinions of a fascist petty functionary. And his sub-70 IQ takes (like not realizing that starting the next expansionist war within the decade is not just "likely", but literally THE ONLY option for Putin to survive after having destroyed what was left of the Russian and Ukrainian domestic economy while having gathered an empoverished million-strong military with recent combat experience) are actually expressions of heroic intellectual rigor...;)
Vaush is like a naive child who actually believes what our government says about foreign affairs.
"But why would the government lie to us !" say's every normie.
except for palestine. He's a liberal anti-imperialist.
if you side with Ukraine & Palestine: liberal lib-t4rd anti imperialism
Ukraine & Israel: dog of the US empire
Russia & Palestine: based third worldist
Russia & Israel: dangerous psychopath
He makes no good or truthful points, buys into Western lies-he stinks!
So can a naive child consent
I've been fairly sure for years he's a CIA asset. This guy's online presence needs to be snuffed out.
The patience displayed by the comedian whilst handling the completely brainwashed guy with the rose colored glasses it is pretty impressive. The comedian actually used logic. The other guy. Bless his heart.😊
My god, the restraint Dave Smith showed is phenomenal. The other guy is a complete joke with absolutely nothing to provide to this conversation.
So, what you've learned here is that your audience unanimously implores you not to imbue Vaush with the credibility of your show. He's a petulant child masquerading as an intellectual. It's gross.
Bold of you to assume anyone takes the show seriously
@@matthewarnold4557 how delightful and original, an intellectually bankrupt response in the UA-cam comments
@@EverythingIsPhotogenic it's adorable how you watch breaking points but call me intellectually bankrupt.
@@matthewarnold4557 it's adorable that you would use someone's consumption of multiple sources of news and opinion to inform their ideas as a credible argument.
It's also adorable how you are coping your way through the Breaking Points comments section. Keep using Vaush as your single source of truth. It's a good look. 👍
@@EverythingIsPhotogenic listen, if you want to consume different media sources, that's fine. But if you're going to get Russian talking points you might as well just go to the Russians themselves. They'll lie to you the same as breaking points but at least they won't pretend to be the good guy
As far as I understand, the Soviets didn't start flirting with Cuba just to antagonize the US. Their involvement with Cuba was also a reaction to the mid range missile installment in Turkey which Soviets perceived as a direct threat and the Soviets just wanted to install their own pawn in the Western hemisphere in order to either have a parity of the mid-range missile strike capability or to trade it for the removal of the threat from Turkey. The latter came to fruition and the Soviets effectively played their Cuban "Pawn". It was also a reaction and not a proactive provocation on the part of the Soviets.
That's a right one.
people tend to not talk about turkiye...
It's also not relevant to Ukraine.
The US isn't trying to install nukes in Ukraine. If it wanted to do so, the US would just put them in the baltics which already border Russia.
Nevermind the fact thay Nuke technology has evolved and no longer relies on proximity to your enemy as it did in the 60s.
yeah bc Russia was looking to *invade* Turkey. They took Moldova, Georgia, Crimea, and currently Ukraine as they look to invade throughout Europe. Turkey is a buffer zone between Russia and the Middle East, of course we were going to arm it to prevent an invasion. Do you not understand anything about geopolitics? And you seriously think that the Bay of Pigs wasn't a "provocation"? Keep defending Russia, Vatnik
The sparks that began the Cuban revolution had nothing to do with the Soviet Union and everything to do with US imperialism and the gangster colonialists and compradors ruling Cuba. Castro was not even a communist, circumstances turned him into one organically and he reached out to the USSR, not the other way around. People call the Soviet Union an empire because they don’t understand Marxism and don’t understand that when USSR went abroad, they were losing money, not making money. Empires are parasites, the USSR was the opposite whether you agree with them or not
Dave Smith vs. horse and loli 🌽 guy??? Is Camille Paglia vs. Stormy Daniels next month?
Vaush is delusional.
He's essentially a Beverly Hills neoliberal larping as a communist.
Pandering to his know nothing audience and his own liberal proclivities.
In what way?
@@Albasternin the way that he'll say anything and never stand on principals, which he has openly admitted to.
@Albastern Uh, maybe the fact he says we should support Ukraine when it has nothing to do with us. If you're in so in for Ukraine then go volunteer otherwise shut up and stop telling others who don't want to risk their lives in nuclear war what we need to support.
You think vaush is a credible commentator? - he is a meme and nothing else
Neither is a credible commentator as neither is an expert on any of these subjects. It's reaching out to the basic public for opinions.
@@machsimillian14 at least one of the commentaors had historical facts and used them appropriately and the other just spouts liberal bullshit of moral superiroity.
@machsimillian14 I would prefer experts I suppose, but if the expert or the 'basic public' spout liberal nonsense or moral superiority it is useless. At least one of the commentators used historical facts and events sensibly and Vaush just says the bad guy is bad and i support a good guy and therefore i am right, he is a moron and most certainly not a Marxist.
@@machsimillian14 I would prefer experts I suppose, but if the expert or the 'basic public' spout liberal nonsense or moral superiority it is useless. At least one of the commentators used historical facts and events sensibly and Vaush just says the bad guy is bad and i support a good guy and therefore i am right, he is a moron and most certainly not a Marxist.
I would prefer experts I suppose, but if the expert or the 'basic public' spout liberal nonsense or moral superiority it is useless. At least one of the commentators used historical facts and events sensibly and Vaush just says the bad guy is bad and i support a good guy and therefore i am right, he is a moron and most certainly not a Marxist.
Vaush is 50% fedora 50% awkchully guy
What is awkchuclly
@@jamesk3612this « ☝️🤓 »
Do you think he unironically says M'lady
@@jamesk3612The nerd who corrects a trivial mistake by saying “actually…” with a lisp. 🤓
People in Donbass wanted Russia to intervene since 2014! Why they are ignoring that. They talk about land like there is no people on that land and they do not have the right to democratically choose because they are ethnically Russian?!
Insane
This is also why Russia can easily take the territory under their wing cause the people do not want nazi Ukraine to rule them.
“Ethnically Russian” it is brainwashed western Ukrainians who think they can Will the Slav out of themselves
if you look at the news from Donbass in 1994, you will see rallies demanding to return to Russia.
I'm bout 50 comments in and no one is on the side of vaush, glad to see there's still some people with sanity.
He just didn't make a SINGLE good point, all while trying to present his bad ideas in superfluous language designed to make him sound smart. What a waste of Dave Smith's time.
It's a right-wing audience. That's like saying you're proud to be on the same intellectual level as the Valuetainment guys.
I mean, I'm just getting started with the video, but the audience in the comments isn't exactly the brightest.
I'm not sure if many in his audience actually like him. I think they are just addicted to being part of the community.
We should provide Vaush to Ukraine.
Sanity=anti establishment chills
I think Vaush is the only guest where I have been genuinely disappointed that you had someone of the caliber on the show.
That's saying a lot after Don Lemon...
Broken Points supported arming Ukraine, they also smeared Assange. I’m the end Krystal will tell her audience to vote for Genocide Joe.
@@BDnevernind I cant belive that guys IDIOCY!!!!
@@BDnevernind as bad as the lemon is at least he didn't stan for chomos
Make sure you hide your taxes folder from Vaush
It's "champing at the bit," but people confuse it for "chomping at the bit," although "jumping at the bit," is a new one. Lmao.
I cringed so hard when vaush was mentioning the situation in germany regarding the afd, made me realize how superficial outsider perspectives really are, meh
And this guy is particularly bad at making high resolution judgements on the factual nature of things.
If you’re a German, I’m rooting for you guys. You’ve been through a staggering lot (especially lately) and I really don’t want to see another country go down to leftist political corruption and overt tampering like in France and the UK.
MFing Vaush? Really???
What?
@@firefly9838he's a subscriber of queer theory he doesn't believe in age of consent and has been found in possession of CP
@@firefly9838 The dude is super creepy, he defends pedophiles and is pretty suspect himself. I have no idea why he is anywhere
@@firefly9838PDF ile suspect and admittedly fantasies about graping people in horse form
@@snidleywlash2448 Almost every time there is a Vaush "controversy" it's completely fabricated or twisted from contorting context. His opinions are often cringe, but that's usually where it stops.
The bearded guy sounds like an apologist for the State Dept. 😂
he is literally a breadtuber and takes money from the state to push narratives like the clotshot.
He is!
Vaush is an arch neocon.
Bingo.
He's a commie.
Vaush realllllly tries to purport himself as an intellectual
Vaush is a perfect mascot for Reddit moderators
He does have one of those challenge me and I will have you banned for a year kind of faces.
I'd recommend Oliver Stone's documentary on Ukraine to anyone who hasn't seen it.
Rumble has it.
It's here too, but under green tree productions I think it was🤔
The one that starts with the documentor riding a BMP at night with the DRF pre mobilization is also good/heartbreaking, trying to remember the name 🤔🤔🤔... I'll try find it...
@@myresponsesarelimited7895 thanks, glad to see UA-cam is no longer censoring it
It’s somewhat eye opening for the completely uninformed but it ultimately still only touches the tip of iceberg…
Crazy, it was placing nuclear missiles in Turkey that made Krushev try to place missiles in Cuba. It was totally different than spouted here
Krushchev didn`t try putting missiles in Cuba, he did put them there.
How was the invasion of Chechnya "expansionist" when Chechnya is part of tge Russian federation?
Geeorgia happened because, like the US is doing in Ukraine now, the US tries to use Saakashvilli to force Geirgia into NATO even though Biden himself had acknowledged in 1998 that such an effort in either nation would elicit a reaction from Moscow.
Just a note - Georgia happened not because if NATO, during ceasefire Georgia attacked and killed russian peacekeepers who had UN mandate - as a response Russia attacked
Vaush: Breathes
Comments: *dies in anger*
I think it’s his pro war opinions and hard drive contents that seem to bother people.
Take vaush peepee out yo mouth, bud
now dave smith is a loser. but lets be real vaush is morally bankrupt just like dave
@@DrakePatterson nothing worse than a pro war leftist. It's ok when they are right on the biggest issue, but to be horribly wrong about everything is just unacceptable.
@@Jimmy-es8bc well at least than he'd be a "good communist".
Vaush would strike me as a fed if he wasn't so cringe
Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
Oh he is definitely a fed.
Somebody paid for that new studio.
Isnt his dad a fed?
@@LongDefiant he has lived there like 7 years, before he had much of a following at all. Wouldn't make sense he is a fed.
@@firefly9838 I used to listen to him years ago before he got big. Something changed. He became someone's tool.
Dude Vaush LOL why is the kid didler here?
Pardon ? i dont Follow Vashu ....do you have a link to info or something cose thats seems far fetched, to didle something you need to plan it and we all know Vashu cant think straight not to mention planning
Damn I hope Vaush isn't reading these comments. May need to call the suicide hotline!
Not really it just proves how much of an echo chamber you people are in.
@@mrsnrub282 Sounds like you are projecting. i dont take his fanboys seriously anyways.
They/them have them on speed dial.
@@canisrex5142 LMAO
@@mrsnrub282 yea dood we live in a bubble Vaush is dumb as hell that fool usese words like "good" "bad" "right" "wrong" and has no idea what they mean
Was there no serious people who could have debated this instead of Vaush? He sits there in his underpants.
There are zero serious people that believe that side. The facts and logic are straightforward. The only reason this policy continues is because the military industrial complex and DC lines their pockets
Seriously, why are they even giving this guy a platform? (I say this before I even listen to his opinion- guys just a creep)
@@jennyd5770the same can be said for Dave Smith
@@jackeagleeye3453 sounds like you are a part of the loser brigade
serious people dont defend the ukraine war
Surprised Breaking Points would have this Vaush dude on. More research on your guests is needed. Dave crushes again
Destiny, Seder, Pakman, Vaush.. It's like the same person in four ages ...13, 14 ,15 , 16... all living in mummy's basement and "debating" in bad faith like a teenage girl who thinks she knows everything and argues with her dad ....
@@xycap8351 "all living in mummy's basement" Sir the rent is took damn high...
This child lover is Krystal's friend lmao
Ukraine has been losing since Mariupol and it has been executing "tactical retreats" towards Kiev since then.
Putin is supposed to sit there as nato surrounds him like a total clown boy?
You think it's being a clown to not invade neighboring countries?
@@jamesk3612He would be a clown to allow his nation be threatened by an aggressive NATO
@@stephencunningham6557 an aggressive NATO :))))
@@ContactSAO liberating jugoslawia libya or Afghanistan wasnt that peacefully
@@Iskandr314all in the North Atlantic
We dont want Vaush here.
dissenting voices are welcome , no matter where from. We are not Leftards
@@vanzeilanI am not concerned about opposing political views. I would say it's more about his incredibly suspicious behavior. To be clear: I don't know that I am convinced that he has done anything 100% wrong. I just feel like there are a lot of red flags and he has only ever spun the truth, ignored facts or simply misrepresented the facts. His responses have been just as sus as the red flags, frankly.
@@patricknoll81 Support or retract. The facts don't care about your feelings.
I thought we were pro free speech ? Are you trying to cancel him? Ermagawd
@@vanzeilan I'm not very interested in hearing the opinions of pedos, but I guess you are
Vaush commenting on military matters with such confidence is a joke. He really shouldn't be pretending to know what he's talking about.
I'd love for him to go over there and defend "democracy".
I had never heard of him until today but this guy sounds like a reddit mod.
Vaush is as good of an expert as Smith is.
@@jsharp9735yes because Russia is less democratic than Ukraine….
@@angelantayhua3096 One that is not true, and secondly you didn't get my sarcasm. Ukraine is not a democracy.
This was really good. Thank you! Please do more!
Vaush seems To speak exactly the way I would, if I worked for the Government but Wanted to seem as a free thinker libertarian. Everything He said Pretty much pushes all of the state Department goals. Dave truly is a libertarian that wants human life and peace to be at the forefront. V has a vendetta
AKA project mocking bird plant
And yourself and Dave speak as if you work for the Kremlin.
Don't let vaush near any horses
Or children
That was also cenk. Democrats have a weird thing for horses.
Oh God, What did he do?
no no no he wants to BE the horse
@@Earthandweather He was caught looking at pictures of cartoon little girls doing the nasty with horses. He had those images saved on his computer.
NEIGH I SAY NEIGH! I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT GOBLIN
LMAFOOOO
Lolololol
Vaush sounds like a kindergarten teacher.
Having Vaush vs Smith is like having Tyson vs a 16 year old girl.
He doesn’t belong here.
Vaush is a 16 year old girl?
Funny enough Vaush identifies as a sixteen year old girl.
Dont mention 16 year old girls around him...
Which one?
Yeah, Mr smith is a fish out of water with this one
Wow! D Smith; well said, I’m a fan of yours first time and agree with your views! Thank you!
Dave smith wiped the floor with vaush he really was very patient with him.
What's hilarious is the people, or bots, or State Actors, who come in here and attempt to throw shade on Dave and prop up Vausch, who MOSTLY speaks in Orwellian gaslighting terminology of echoes the words of the State Department.
They're SO feckless.
@@Silence_Duder_Gooder Its made me laugh so much i think its state actors and bots and its pretty obvious the quality of people that re state actors and programming these bots has declined considerably
Dave Smith is so naive its amazing.
The US leaving Nato would be Putins and Xis wet dream.
But it would never happen anyway, because nobody actually wants to go that far not even far right wing reps.
Through Nato cooperations worldwide is how the US gets to run bases in so many countries and get the the Intel and the reach and the immideate access to areas all over the world.
Leaving Nato is nothing else than a pundit talking point on the lowest of ranks, and some politicians saying it during election times 100% knowing that its not even an option they would ever really choose haha
@@Silence_Duder_GooderWhat the hell are you talking about. Smfh.
@@chrisjoseph4088, I believe it's all in my take, no?
Vaush is the field version of the white house press secretary.
Not pro-Israel enough. They would hate him.
I laughed
Old Turkish proverb - If two neighbors start fighting in the morning, then one of them had a British sleep in his house. Ukraine had British sleeping with them for all these years, Americans have British sleeping with them all these years. Britain is the major factor for this case.
I wish anybody, like Vaush, debating this subject would study history and geography on Russia and learn that as a country Russia is EXTREMELY vulnerable to invasion because it has no physical barriers on its border and is a broad plain stretching from Ukraine to Moscow. Its easy for Americans to judge and say what they should do while we're safely protected by oceans and allies on our borders making our country a veritable fort against invasion or attack. Russia has been invaded plenty of times from this plain and had an extremely hard time repelling invaders so its no surprise that theyre so staunchly in favor of Ukraine being at the least a buffer state. Not learning any of this and debating on the subject is as useless as writing a novel without knowing the alphabet, you just dont have all the information.
How exactly is Vaush an expert on this subject? Weird guest choice
He’s spent many minutes reading Wikipedia articles and debating other people who read a few Wikipedia articles. He basically has a PHD
And the internet libertarian/stand up comedian is?
Neither one is an expert.
And Dave Smith is? What're his qualifications? I mean I like Dave Smith and all. But what makes him an expert on anything? He's been pretty good on Israel, to me at least. But everything else is subjective to a point
How is dave an expert
Dear god don't ever have Vaush on your program again please. Dave is great would love to see more of him.
“Don’t bring more left wing people. Only right wing.”
@@kensuke0left wingers with proper educated and realistic ideas instead of a person hoping for fairy tale endings are always welcome
@kensuke0 maybe someone who actually has something to contribute. Even Cenk has more sensible arguments than this creep Vaush.
@@kensuke0dave isn't right wing dummy
Keep having him on so his shitty ideas can get steamrolled in the publics view
The West signed 2 agreements not to include Ukraine into NATO.
What more do you need to say?
We are not $175B into Ukraine. It's almost half of that ffs.
For all the subscribers Vaush has. He is not the brightest bulb in the shed.
We need a better class of debater.
He doesn't believe his own position, he's just a government employee at this point.
He's ridiculous. He seems almost proud of the fact that he does basically no research, the epitome of the kind of person that thinks feelings trump facts. I have no idea why anyone would be interested in his opinions unless they just like listening to someone that reaffirms what they already believe.
Destiny would be better, but Ryan hates him now.
@@firefly9838 Destiny doesn't believe in anything he thinks defending a stupid stance you don't hold is hard or a skill. He has zero emotional attachment to the stuff he says. What is the point in talking to a person who does that? Also he has a girls name Beta
@@atarkus8Or maybe listening to grifters like you do isn't "research"? Maybe he knows better?
What is true is that he is not the best on this topic. Lonerbox or destiny would be better.
Dushe's arguments are pure sophistry.
Vaush will seem like he’s smart to people who are dumb.
That's exactly what it is 😅
This is a great format. Would love more friendly left vs right debates like this!
Ryan out flanking Vaush from the left on Cuba was hilarious.
He really made grim seem like a fringe lefty
Vaush identifying as a Lefty does not make him an actual Lefty.
Yeah except america did the exact opposite. Helped get rid of all of ukraines nukes and gave them to russiam. In return for protecting ukraine I'm case of invasion. America's fulfilling that promise, russias breaking it, as usual.
"out flanking" Keep dreaming lol
@@KhalkaraI don’t have to dream, it happened at 29:50 😎
Vausch is here so you all can Dunk on him and feel good
Nothing involving Vausch makes me feel good
@@habitatfarmIs that a direct quote from his body pillow?
Hes as close to being a goblin a man can get.
Well, good, it worked.
When does anyone feel good for talking about Vaush ? puke.
I have a feeling that Vaush’s intelligence goes as far as his google search history.
He and Destiny just copy off each other’s Wikipedia notes.
I hate Vaush but why are the moderators debating him?
Vaush is a great guest for this discussion. He represents everyone in the country that doesn't have a clue
Source:
@@landon6339Joe Biden is good example he represents the clueless, intentionally.
But who regardless see themselves as highly informed and intelligent. Sophistry and Dunning-Kruger both personified in one man.
Exactly.
This is why, I’m voting for RFK….
Biden wanting to fund the most corrupt country in the world for ANOTHER 10 yrs!
Trump, I’m worried he’ll be steamrolled by the permanent neocons. Sorta how, they went behind his back and contacted China, telling them NOT to take Trumps threats seriously.
The democrats & republicans are controlled by their corporate donors. It’s obvious, our politicians no longer work for their constituents. Ask any American, “do YOU want to fund Ukraines provoked war with Russia for 10 yrs? America KNEW what they were doing, this was a provocation intentionally set into motion, reason why we fled Afghanistan so quickly.
But what if Putin was a horse, would vaush likes him better ?
Without question
Yes
@@Caraunus depending on the horses age. if the horse was more than a few years old, probably would not want to deal with them.
Vaush is just jealous of Putin riding horses shirtless.
Gotta love when the people advocating war also want to ignore history…reminds me of the classic Iraq/Vietnam argument: “We’re in too deep, so we have to keep going”
Dave Smith is not just on another level, he's light years ahead.
Have Dave go head-to-head with someone on the caliber of Noam Chomsky or Henry Kissinger, not doofus-level trolls.
@@MythwrightWorkshopBot
Kissinger is dead.
“Just have the United States leave NATO” 🙃 some real “light years ahead” stuff right there…
Obviously he's a comedian and must be joking. @Gobbldeegoo1
@@ksaw2090I don't know if he was lol
[sees Vaush on the thumbnail]
Literally everyone else on the internet: "Do they know?.... 🤔"
Actually, I don't. I know there's some controversy around the guy. But what exactly is his deal?
Apparently not! Or they like promoting pedos🤷🏻♂️
@@Great_SandwichHe’s been caught with kid porn on his computer by viewers
He used a silly argument years ago that was meant to show the hypocrisy in owning things like cellphones. Child labor is used to create cellphones because of stuff like lihium mines so it is bad to buy phones and support a system that hurts children. He then compared to owning CP as someone who doesn't hurt children themselves but buys those videos or images is similar to the person buying a phone. He was drawing a comparison that he has admitted a billion times was dumb and not thought out. The other bad thing he did was on stream he accidently opened a tab on his computer that was his porn files and it was full of hentai because he says he surfs hentai sites and saves images he likes. The two problematic ones was one had a cartoon horse and a anime girl getting it on and another turned out to be loli which if you don't know is hentai where the girl is drawn to be underage but it's legal because she's actually a 1,000 year old elf or whatever she just still looks like a 12 year old. Pretty gross stuff. He claimed that he didn't think it was loli and thought it was a hentai midget goblin lol. One should make up their own opinion on old Vaush. Personally i sort of think all hentai is gross but to each their own i guess. Loli should be illegal in my view but idk we will honestly never know if Vaush is telling the truth that he didn't realize it was loli stuff. We just dont know. Give him the benefit of the doubt or dont. Thats up to each person. Vaush says some things i agree with and some i don't. The guy is sometimes really funny and sometimes hes annoying. He's on the far left but seems to not have the absolute brain rot many of them have even though he's still a socialist and I'm certainly not that. @@Great_Sandwich
@@Great_Sandwich the main controversy is over the fact that he accidentally opened one of his p0rn folders on stream and it was filled with really disturbing CP anime, but he's also just a deeply unserious bad faith actor who has no consistent ideology or values and only cares about owning people, constantly trying to stir up controversy, smearing everyone, etc. - he's called Krystal a fascist grifters and a nazl like a million times and then when she has him on and debates him on all the stuff he attacked he on, he backs down and acts all nice and oh it's not about you blah blah blah, and then goes back on his show and says the exact same stuff. Just a total hack.
Did anybody notice that somebody keeps at their phone so they can be fed talking points?
Vaush sounds straight out of 2016
Shoutout to all the Dave Smith simps in the comments!
Tell me you don’t know how to develop a worldview of your own without telling me you don’t know how to develop a worldview of your own.
This has nothing to do with horses so vaush already lost
I see a lot of horse comments but I don’t get it. What did I miss here?
@@petetown13 vaush has admitted to being attracted to horses/ wanting to be one doing weird stuff. Not sure how to word it without it instantly getting deleted lol
@petetown13 A bunch of people running their fucking mouths, because they don't have lives. I will repeat which feels like the 16,000th time.. if you think he is a threat to the public then call the police, FBI, CIA, Interpool, or whomever, otherwise, just stop talking about it
@@JonathanB138 somebody is a bit bitter
@@petetown13 Based on some of the comments with more detail? (And take it with a big grain of salt due hearsay)
Aparently he made a mistake and revealed his porn-folder on a livestream.
Opening statement from Vaush: Firing weapons will bring peace. wow yeah man totally
If peace is your goal with a belligerent party, appeasing wont work. You will give them everything they want and sell yourself in the process. And still you will end up being their victim or aligning with them. If you are a nation, you will give them so much power over you, that at worst you might as well be occupied. Your only option for peace then is precautions. Defencive pacts, alliances, threat of meaningful consequences. Deterrence works.
If you are at war, surrendering sure does end the war, but not in a way beneficial to you. You might even lose more than you do by fighting. In this case it would embolden putin. That would mean more war and more death.
@@Albastern Your comment is spot on and should be pinned at the top of this video. The only response this audience will have is a nihilistic one of “It was going to happen anyway so why fight at all?”
@@Albastern At this point Russia gonna have to end it
It's even worse than that. He says he doesn't have a solution, therefore they should just keep fighting (I guess until he thinks of one).
It’s breathtaking how ignorant people are on war. Literal schoolyard take. If Russia stops shooting, the war ends, if Ukraine stops shooting, they don’t have a country.
Who of the US was playing fuckery in the Ukraine before 2014?
The Nobel peace prize winner & LGBTQ hero Barrack Obama
"Morally, Ukraine should be able to regain territory," Ridiculous.
I'm sorry do you think that Russia has the right to expand with no pushback
@@orsonzedd lol this is about Russia countering NATO expansion/encirclement
@@ObjectiveMedia lol them and what army. Lol not theirs
@@orsonzedd Im sorry do you think Ukraine have a right for ethnic cleansing ? with no pushback
@@iljastalberg5610 I`m sorry, do you think Russia has a right to do ethnic cleansing or take over one of its smaller neighbour with no push back ?
22:30 at this point I’m absolutely positive Vaush is deliberately being stupid.
He just has no integrity. He makes his living on the appearance of being an intellectual to children who affirm how smart he is.
It's akin to what having an opinion on the internet really is... it's worthless, but you get to share it and people will listen to you...
The bar for entry is a couple hundred bucks for internet & hardware...
Did Vaush talk about his infatuation for “short stacked goblins”
Sadly no, would've been WAY more entertaining.
The funniest phrase perhaps in the annals of internet history
Tacoma wept
He thinks ukrainians are goblins that's why he's supporting
No Horse anatomy talk either
That tool Vaush would make a great fairy tail author.
These people like Dave always dismiss the small country's autonomy. I have a right to join whatever club I want without a bully telling me i can't....
Vaush sucks, Dave Smith is so much more intelligent to be honest.
Why?
Here is the difference: Dave Smith’s currency is the truth. He has been spot on, on so many subjects: COVID and lockdowns, Hunter Biden, etc. the internet is forever, go back and look. Vaush doesn’t even come close.
That doesn't say much if he's your measure of intelligence. LOL!
Dave Smith would have Russia bordering Poland.
If you hate America that much, why don’t you just move to Russia?
Hey Vaush, ever served in a light infantry unit?? Those average Americans that you have such contempt for will be the ones sending their kids to fight this war. We should be negotiating an end to this.
@JohnJodyStevens he needs the parents gone to war so he has easier access to the children
@@DobBole this is absolutely wild to me. Why is the left all the sudden pro war?? Senate Democrats are actually talking about drafting girls along with the boys. This will most likely be a poor and working class war, just like Vietnam was. The wealthy and well connected will find a way out, but if you punch a clock everyday, you'll be going. These people are absolutely sick.
Thats a really emotional way to take this man, like vaush might be cringe but grow up haha
Russia doesn’t want anything less than more territory. No
Those infantry units will die within weeks if not less bc the US can’t compete with Russia in terms of artillery and it’s ground forces. As for our air units, Russia has pretty good air defense so our planes would have to slog through them and take serious losses before providing our infantry air support. A Conventional war with Russia isn’t the walk in the park ppl like Vaush think it is.
Bay of Pigs? What about operation Northwoods 🤔
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You know your show is an absolute joke when you start inviting Vaush on..
Can we have a monthly Dave Smith segment?
God no. There's only so much ignorance I can take, leave him to comedy where there are no fact checkers and you can just rant freely.
@jaezon4040 why don't you tell us what facts Dave provided were wrong?... ill be waiting 😂😂😂
@@jaezon4040 so where was he wrong? Was it the “Nyet means Nyet?” Was it the talking points about Cold War veterans in the state department? Was it actual quotes from from actors thruout this issue of the last 30 plus years? I’m curious, where are the fallacies?
Or are you like some here that drive by with a comment with no substance hoping for a no one to reply?
@@themagiclamp7208 its funny how they can never answer this question
Please no. He's soooo uninformed on this. I hate Vaush, but he has zero clue about the Russia/Ukraine relations and it shows. The fact that he thinks that if NATO weren't there everything would be fine is absolutely the most moronic thing I've ever heard. He needs to open a history book.