"Escape of Khan" - Launch of the Botany Bay
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2011
- PLEASE READ BELOW REGARDING NON-AERODYNAMIC LAUNCH CONFIG OF THE CRAFT
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In 1996, at the end of the Eugenics Wars, Khan Noonien Singh and his followers escaped from Earth aboard the stolen prototype of the DY-100 spacecraft.
Based upon the novel
The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh, Volume 2
by Grey Cox
Regarding the non-aerodynamic design of the DY-100 (getting alot of comment on this, although this is how it is portrayed in an episode set in 1996: voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...
A DY-100 ground launch with the cargo pods was also shown in the Star Trek Chronology book: vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/m...
My theory is that a crude and early form of forcefield was used to create an aerodynamic shape around the hull during the atmospheric launch phase and this would be inkeeping with the other advanced tech on the spacecraft such as gravity plating, a structural integrity field and impulse engines. In the novels this is said to be the result of reverse engineering technology from the future. Since it has appeared on-screen in this fashion it is canon and it's up to us to work out the inconsistencies.
There are many ST technologies that exist that allow for things that would otherwise be impossible or deadly to humans. Heisenberg compensators, inertial dampeners etc. Right now we have NO idea how these things would work.
The thinking was to show the launch as it is displayed in an episode, so it is necessary to explain it in-universe rather than "retcon" the construction of the Botany Bay to our own actual history and technology (Having 10 Saturn V launches or something similar).
As for never seeing a spacecraft like that, in the original series the Enterprise is low enough in the atmosphere to be intercepted by an F-104 and it is certainly not an aerodynamic design. Just because a technology is not name-dropped doesn't mean it can't exist and be in use.
See also: DY-100 Airflow Forcefield:
vsfx.deviantart.com/art/DY-100...
Spelling mistake at 0:25: "o-zone" should be ozone.
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3D Models:
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Botany Bay & TOS Enterprise
by Prologic9
Conversions by David "KnightRider" Metlesits
Rocket boosters, Booster sled & "Brand new" DY-100 re-texture
by VideoSpaceFX
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Earth textures
from Celestia Motherlode
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Music:
James Hannigan
Timothy Michael Wynn
Dennis McCarthy
Steven von Kampen
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Shuttle launch and Earth orbit footage from NASA TV
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You know what's interesting, is that I automatically picture Ricardo Montalban, when I think of Kahn. I love Benedict Cumberbatch, but he's just not Kahn.
Marvin Price
What kind of an imbecile are you that can't spell KHAN !
***** He might not spell Khan right, but he did get one thing right. Benny Cumlessdick is not Khan, he was terrible. Laughable worse than Spock's Khan scream. In fact the new Star War "Trek" is just awful.
Sure it alot of fun to watch, if you are not a Star Trek fan.But if you are, it just pisses you off none stop. Where are the fucking Phasers, Where are the fucking Photon Torpedoes, why do they sound gay? Why is Kirk an idiot. JJ specifically said he wasn't making a movie for Star Trek fans, but for non Star Trek fans. All he did is make a movie noone wants to see.
I can't wait for him to fuck up the Star Wars movies too. Thats why he fucked up my franchize, so he could get a shot at Star Wars.
JJ is a conman, a hack nothing more However I would like to Cumberbatch to come back to Star trek because he is a great actor and ytrek can beifit from him
Also Asian men can be white and Khan is that too because he is from that region.
*****
I hated into Darkness as a remake of Wrath of Khan, and just as a Star Trek movie in general. I also wasn't that impressed with Cumberbatch. People really need to get up off this dude's dick.
As a Star Trek fan having never seen him before or heard of him prior, I was not in the slightest impressed. His reveal as *open mouth slowly an widely in an ackward manner* Khaaaaaaaan (As he said it.) was cringe worthy. Did they ever mention his whole name? I don't think they did. They turned one of the most well known Star Trek villians into Cher, or Seal. Maybe Cumberbatch just didn't get the memo the dude;s name is Khan Noonien Sung. Perhaps that was JJ Asholebrams fault? Regardless, he should be dead (in the movei wise) so there isn't any likelyhood for him to return, thankfully.
If only saw Cuberbatch other film YOu know for sure that is JJ fault
He has never done anything great SUper 7 cloverfiled all average type film nothing more.
I think it would've been funny if the Botany Bay returned to Earth to find another crashed starship with Charlton Heston climbing from the wreckage ( PotA ).
Daniel Appleton What a GREAT idea! Submit it to the ST screenwriters.
Oh, yeah, that'd be weird. You know, there is a Star Trek/Planet of the Apes comicbook crossover that was made a little while ago, darn it, I don't remember the title, but the Klingons were carrying out an invasion of the Planet of the Apes by covert means, using the means of arming the ape armies with things like AK-47s, very practical, but effectively useless against the weapons the Klingons would bring in when Kor and his men tear of the "mask of friendship" and reveal themselves to be not "allies" but in fact "hostile conquerors" and reveal to their new "subjects" what being subjects of the Klingon Empire really means, much to Ape City's misfortune as Klingon troops subjugate it with their typical aggressive tactics...
What a quality tale!
"Relax, Nicholas; if this is the best they have, we'll be running this place in 6 months"
LOL! That reminds me of what my best friend and I used to do when we were in high school - make cassette tapes in which he and I would do our impressions of our favorite sci-fi characters, throw in some sound effects, and make-up plots in which, for example, the crews of "Space, 1999," "Lost in Space," and "Star Trek" would "interact!" (I wish I still had those tapes - gone since the 1970s, natch...).
Then he would have said, "You maniacs! You blew it up!"
That strange moment when the future is 22 years in the past.
I want my friggin flying car. Where is it?
exexpat11 the same place my jet pack and hover board went.
@@exexpat11 ask mayor Goldie wilson
".....you make me feel so young"
Thank God this is fictional and not historical. In the real world Khan wouldve faced charges and execution! Oh Khan I am laughing at your superior intellect now!
As a hard-core Star Trek / Space Seed / Wrath of Khan fan, I love watching this over & over! Sensational job! Thank you for this!!
Khan Noonien Singh to Captain Kirk, "Ah, yes. You may have had technological advances, but how very little, man himself has changed".
A fact for which Khan should have been *extremely* grateful! What if he woke up only to find that humans *had* kept refining their genetic augmentation technology over nearly three centuries and he and his followers were now just as obsolete as he considered regular humans?
its fascinating that Khan being the smartest living human didn't come up with warp drive himself but then again he is known for two dimensional thinking captain.
@@purefoldnz3070 20th century mind still the same be looking like Nicole Tesla trying to imagine a tranwarp drive
. while the man was a genius.we are products of our time
@@thomas.parnell7365 well not really look at Aeolipile in 1st century CE created a prototype steam engine one thousand eight hundred years before the first train was invented.
@@purefoldnz3070 it's a shame that technology wasn't pushed further then would probably be colonising mars in the year 1400
Well this video is based upon the Eugenics Wars novels by Greg Cox, where Seven is the one that is able to provide Khan with a ship to escape from the Earth.
Thanks, I was racking what is left of my brain trying to remember the novel this was based on. Well done.
7 of 9 did that?
@@glockshooter40 No, he’s referring to Gary Seven from the episode Assignment: Earth
Cleverley done! And I love the mention of Gary 7 and Roberta Lincoln! Will somebody PLEASE make a movie/ TV series about them!?? That would be so cool!
Agreed! Or a story about Khans rise to power!
That would be a great series of movies.
bensisko great point. i read in a
Star Trek book that the Gary Seven
episode on Star Trek (Original Series)
was considered as a pilot for a Gary 7
spinoff from Star Trek.
Botany Bay?
BOTANY BAY?!
OH NO!
@Wiilie T Chekov, what’s the matter with you?
@@Vindix007 Come on, hurry!
Stick it in your ear Chekov, oh wait... :(
@@darkwhitedirewolf Not all at once. Not all at once.
Hurry! Dammit!
I thought the DY-100 was used primarily as a interplanetary vessel and that the trip into interstellar space was pushing the crafts original design well beyond intened usage. It was a miracle that he or any of his followers survived the trip up to the point when his craft was intercepted hy the Enterprise. (Original universe)
Keptin Kirk was your host. You repaid his hospitality by trying to steal his ship and murder him!
@@mikegallant811 He task me
Yeah - I think Cox, the author of "The Rise and Fall and Khan Noonien Singh," must have forgotten that part - hence his insistence on reverse-engineering the "Botany Bay" with "alien tech." It's likely the "Botany Bay" wasn't even the first DY-100.
@@stuartyoung4182 In the book Strangers from the Sky there are 2 Dy-100's at an abandoned base with a launch cradle that had held a third.
@@stuartyoung4182 Probably swiped Ferengi gear from 1947.
Regardless of the technical inconsistencies already noted, it's a nice bit of animation and storyboard. Well done!
Yeah, you've got to expect some astronomical CNT problems to occur with pioneering technology, let me tell you.
These fan made films just get better and better. CBS must really be shitting themselves.
Outstanding. Thank you for sharing it with us. In the Trek universe, it's easy to forget that rockets were still being used in this era. The launch sequence SO looks like a real launch ala our beloved Saturn V. Well done.
I wish the Gary 7 character had been picked up as a series.
don't we all. (well, all us geeks)
FOR SOME REASON I DON'T THINK A SHOW WITH GARY 7 WOULD LAST KNOW MORE THAN 1 SEASON. KIND OF LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ROBOT DOG K-9 FROM DOCTOR WHO THAT GOT A SEASON AND KNOW MORE.
1stprinceoflite YOu don't know that very obnoxious you are
I'M SURE I'M OLDER THAN YOU AND A BIGGER FAN OF STAR TREK AND HAVE READ A LOT OF THE BOOKS THAT SOME OF THE MOVIE GEEKS DON'T KNOW ABOUT OR CARE.
1stprinceoflite why are you 100000000000000000000000000000 years old ?
"In 1987, American launches the last of it's deep space probes. Capt. William 'Buck" Rogers, aboard the compact starship Ranger 3, is thrown in to an orbit 1000 times more vast, returning him to Earth, 500 years later"
I love this stuff written in the past, describing a future, that still hasn't happened, years after the future date.
A deep space starship in 1987, LOL
Reverse alien technology in 1996 Whoop!!!!!
1980 UFO SHADO 1980
Ranger 3 was a failed lunar impactor...
Shut up
I love anything like this where the Enterprise appears, not as the star but as seen from others’ perspective. Like that last scene in Discovery series 1... it’s like yeah, you don’t need words to describe her. She’s there to save the day.
Literally arrived to save STD from the chop as it deserved.
First this is outstanding! Second it gives a new chapter to the story of Kahn.And the tie in of Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln was complete genius.
Agree completely. My thoughts exactly.
@Carl Clarke "Assignment:Earth" was supposed to be a pilot. That's what I heard.
Based on some Star Trek books linking them together. Look them up and read them. Very good. Can not think of the names right now but they would be listed at memory beta. (A star trek wiki)
@Carl Clarke But could they fit Gary Seven into Ocean's Eleven? Or perhaps Charlie's Aliens?
@@jackgibsxxx0750 The Eugenics Wars: The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh..Volumes 1 and 2
It's a shame that a movie hasn't been created yet based on the "Rise and Fall of Khan" novels. From a Trekker who was in junior high during the series' original run, your video is incredible! The musical score is a perfect match for every scene! I'll be looking for more of your work!
Spock said that from 1992-1996, Khan was absolute ruler of more than a quarter of the world. Not half the world.
Good grief. ..all these criticisms. See it for what it is - an entertaining featurette into which has gone a lot of work. And enjoyable it was too. Well done chase!
Certainly helps to fill in those gaps in some of the storylines since I've subscribed to this, nice work!
WTH
I agree! They did a great job--even incorporating the novel on Khan, the IDW comic and that episode of Voyager (I think). I hope they do more!
A comment I have thought to myself about many videos and stories. It is far easier to criticize someone else's work than create some of your own. Thank you.
Fun Fact- in the Wrath of Kahn , Kahn recognizes Chekhov but the original Star Trek episode that included Kahn Chekhov was not a regular character until later.
It has been speculated - by way of explaining how Kahn could have recognized Chekhov - that during the Space Seed timeline, Checkhov was not yet an officer but worked in security on the Enterprise and was involved with Kahn's incarceration perhaps as one of the guards.
Shaun Weaver I have seen that theory. I suspect that possibility is what have the Wrath of Khan writer’s license to let them recognize each other.
Who went to the trouble to make this? I've heard of fan fiction, but this is 3 steps beyond.
Butch Knouse They should make a Eugenics Wars mini-series. Or maybe we should, the fans! :-)
Except CBS will shut you down. God forbid we get anything better than that clusterfuck Discovery.
Right?? This is good stuff.
Really good. Its a nicely put together piece of fictional history creating something that fifty years in the future, someone might think they are actual recorded history.
Butch, look up "Of Gods and Men". Its a fan fiction SEQUEL to "Charlie X" of TOS. It uses the original "Charlie" and many other ORIGINAL cast members. It is quite the fan fiction production.
Yes this has been raised before a few times. My theory is that a crude form of forcefield was used to create an aerodynamic shape around the hull during the atmospheric launch phase, this would be inkeeping with the other advanced tech on the spacecraft such as gravity plating and and impulse engines. In the novels this is said to be the result of reverse engineering technology from the future.
Next time add a fairing shroud so you can have peel away for a big revel midway into the launch.
Well I thought that was brilliant and would have made a good script basis for a Star Trek Continues episode!
Great vid! I like the portrayal of Botany Bay as cutting edge tech rather than old junk. Good scoring, too.
most things start out as cutting edge and then gets replaced with new cutting edge. I guess it depends on when you are.
This shows why the franchise has so many more storyline than Klingons attacking
As Spock would say "FASCINATING" :)
As a rule, anything that Earth ever launched into space prior to the formation of the Federation was destined to come back to haunt them in one way or another. Which makes it amazing that Starfleet did not have a general order requiring starships to destroy any such things as soon as they came within weapons range. The Klingons knew enough to do so!
Amused. This is the most Kerbal Space Program thing in Star Trek history.
This is one of the finest short videos on UA-cam. The music is just awe inspiring - magnificent! I have watched this video many times over the years. The first time I watched it, I didn't know where it was going. But when I saw the last 20 seconds, I almost cried.
I did cry, but don't tell anybody.
@@JCAH1 there's no shame in crying, it is a completely natural thing that makes things better
Really well-done! BEAUTIFUL pre-launch and launch sequence - and I thought the brief interior shots - of the instrument panels showing hibernation systems coming-on-line, the trajectory plots, and the crew in hibernation, were excellent touches.
Of course, I have trouble with the Cox novel's assumption that the DY-100 was not an indigenous Earth technological development, but required reverse-engineering alien technology - when "Space Seed" made it clear that the DY-100 was a well-established class of Earth interplanetary spaceships - and that the Botany Bay's use of an unprecedented scale of hibernation technology to attempt an interstellar mission was the major difference between the Botany Bay and other DY-100 ships) - but that's just me. ;-)
It's a real shame that the Star Trek episode "Assignment: Earth" wasn't picked up as a prequel series. It was going to specifically cover the Eugenics Wars and Khan Nonnien Singh.
People, that was pretty damn good. If you could make a movie about the eugenics war, that is how you would end it. The magnificent Enterprise coming into screen to set the scene for Space Seed...
The first time I saw that, I cried a little. Skipping forward two hundred years in an instant, and so full of profound meaning in both eras. The "Khan" storyline is one of the most powerful and moving in all Star Trek lore.
Think we’re living the “Eugenics War” now!
As you know, I have made a vow never to give you information that could potentially alter your destiny. Your path is yours to walk, and yours alone. That being said, Khan Noonien Singh is the most dangerous adversary the Enterprise ever faced. He is brilliant, ruthless and he will not hesitate to kill every single one of you.
This is most impressive! The compositing is outstanding, and the whole video looks superb.
Why so many haters? Give Stewart and the Network a chance. Think about STTNG All Good Things, and what a great story arc, with an Enterprise that can go Warp 13, and slice through Klingon ships like butter.
The music in order is
-Red Alert 3 - Floating Island Fortress
-Star Trek TNG All Good Things - Courage
-Red Alert 3 - Threatened In Mainland Europe
-Star Trek DS9 The Fallen - End Credits
Great job! Please, continue making more! My suggestion (if I may) I'd like to see the destruction of the Antares by Charlie Evans. We always hear the electronic "squawk" as the ship detonates--I've always been curious (bit morbid) to see go--and Charlie psionically removing the "baffle" (shielding) plate from their atomic matter pile (maybe he meant exposing their warp core?)--he was under educated living with the Thasians.
This actually wouldn't be a bad movie or fan series story to tell
It's quite amazing how fiction can become so quite real in our minds.
This is a retcon. In Space Seed, the Botany Bay was a prison ship onto which Khan and his followers were exiled. He didn't go voluntarily and it wasn't alien technology.
Why didn't Gary-7 use his matter transporter to send Khannnnnnnn and company off to a new planet instead of stealing a crude ship?
Very well done! I like your story line. And yes, this could pass for a lead in to a full movie.
i'd love to see this as the intro to Space seed.
Incredible work. This little video-snippet had an a great story that really provided a background for Khan Singh. Too bad that Star Trek didn't have more of this story in the movies.
Excellent video!
Gene Rodenberry would have solved a lot of time errors if he had set the story another 100 years or 200 years in the future. He evidently thought the world was about to end by atomic warfare - but we're still here! Had this story been set in 2096 or even 2196, it would all be much more plausible.
This is true, but generally consistent with what was thought in the 1960s, had the Apollo-era funding continued.
VideoSpaceFX True.
My thinking is much the same, but in fairness, we can only see that in retrospect. Many of the continuity flaws and historical divergences that mar the story in our eyes now, were not visible in 1967.
It's also the case that Khan's story was probably placed in the "not-too-distant future" of the 1960's audience, to give it a sense of urgency.
From the perspective of 1967 projecting a war against genetically enhanced supermen in the 1990's was legitimate future history; it just didn't work out that way, particularly because of the fact that no one in 1967 would have believed the US would retreat from manned flight in the 1970's, and then flounder without direction through the 80's and 90's with the space shuttle. Predicting some sort of World War III also seemed a safe bet at the time, and no one knew that human genetic modification would come under some pretty firm restrictions (so far, at least). All this proves is that outlining a future history is as fraught in the short term as in the long.
And yes, this story-line would make an excellent series or movie. It's always saddened me that the Gary Seven series never panned out.
Douglas Daniel Here's MY perspective . . .
[Warning: LONG]
Trek used *two* important time-frame references, in dating Khan's place in history: first, a highly specific reference to him coming from the year 1996, and second, a more vague reference to his having lived "two hundred years" before Kirk's time. This last is consistent with other references from TOS, which seemed to be placing Kirk's adventures in the very late 22nd century (and thus, the movie-era stories in the early 23rd, explaining TWOK's on-screen opener).
But all this changed between 1986 and '87, starting with Kirk's mention of coming from the *late* 23rd century, and TNG's definitive dating of their own adventures as beginning in 2364. Overall a new, THREE-hundred-year time frame emerged, and along with it, Trek had to choose which of its two references to Khan's time frame were valid. They went with the 1996 date (perhaps because it was so specific), and ignored the "two hundred years" quotes entirely. Hence our predicament.
As a side note, it's interesting to speculate on what might have happened, had Trek made the opposite decision, keeping Khan's place in history at 200 years before Kirk's time, but bumping it up to, say, 2067. This could have had profound effects on the development of Trek's backstory: it could have condensed the Eugenics Wars and WW3 into one conflict, for example, both saving a lot of explanation for TWO wars, and providing a possible cause for a war that we now know would have post-dated the US/USSR Cold War.
Christened Botany Bay after they boarded the ship in orbit? So who did they con into going outside to stencil the name on the ship?
Gary Graham 😄 You always have the poor slob who is forever losing the rock, paper, scissors thing.
Gary Graham that was to be revealed in episode2 which never aired. Sorry.
Dave Lister
Who did they Khan
no..who did the khan into it? ;)
I have the star trek spaceflight chronology book, the original uncut version, in it the DY-100 is already in orbit, however, it does have a "News" report of an unknown ship being launched into deep space, problem with the DY-100 is it's not an interstellar ship, it's designed for interplanetary flight to the asteroid belt and back. also, if you read the original ST Tech Manual, the DY-100 was equipped with a planetary shuttle so the ship could have been built in orbit, and the shuttle launched from earth, docked with the ship, then launched into deep space.
I always thought it looked like a submarine in space.
I think the video is cool but if people like me who constantly point out the flaws that are implied by launching this into space from a planet with an atmosphere...well you get the point. And what's worse is that a simple examination of the ships design would have supported being launched with a fairing over the upper section to the cargo modules would have solved all problems. I can’t help it. Launching from Area 51/52 either East for an equatorial orbit, or North for a polar orbit, then some poor schnook is going to get an SRB or a platform on their head.
Just looking at the distances and velocities involved, apparently the DY 100 is good for 0.1c, ie ten percent of the speed of light. The planetary objective is 100 light years away, so a ship traveling at the speed of light would take 100 years to get there. Now reduce that speed to 0.1c and you got a 1000 year trip on your hands. Wondering if all parties involved thought this through.
This needs to be made into a film or a TV show cut up into sessions as part of the startrek univers. Brilliant and very good .
Excellent work and writing. Obviously, the cargo bay / rectangles don't work aerodynamically...but that's okay (truthful to the original design). As for the tie-ins to Gary 7...nice touch!
I agree! Nice citation of Gary 7. You've done your homework my friend.
Beautiful! As much poetry as motion picture. I loved the score!
A great short story which created a most likely scenario. Neat, dude.
The music the story everything was great. The Khan episode in TOS is one of my favorites. Wow these 6min & 49 seconds were way more entertaining than STD's two seasons
How have I never seen this till now? Great work!
Well, you're right in that the ship's launch was portrayed that way in the material in the Star Trek Encyclopedia. But if such a vessel were ever constructed it would have to be done in orbit, not launched like a Saturn V. Unless special measures were made to make it more aerodynamic for the duration of the launch, like an attached cone shaped housing.
Yes. That is called a fairing.
It was before the startaki.was even born into the system.
And the starselling was just being invented at that time before the prewarp had just begain.
Very much like today we are prewarp and have not that kind of technology just yet but will have very soon in about ten or twenty years or so. But still working on it now from others aliens technology.and it must. Not use for war only for defense of our 🌎
4:16 honestly this is beautiful. Kinda reminds me of the Halo 2 "Pursuit of Truth" ost in a strange way lol.
Gary Seven; Star Trek's answer to the Doctor. In another reality, where Assignment Earth became a series, who knows if there would have been a reboot like Dr. Who and then the two shows could have had amazing crossover episodes.
D: "Who are you?"
7: "Agent 7."
D: "Agent? Of what? The Shadow Proclamation?!"
7: "The... what?"
D: "Nevermind..."
7: "And who am I speaking to?"
D: "The Doctor.."
7: "The... Doctor..."
D: "Yup."
7: "Nevermind it is."
Shoulda had an aerodynamic shroud until out of the atmosphere ....
Obviously. Unfortunately, episodes of DS9 and Voyager depicted DY-100 models on various character's desktops, with SRBs, and WITHOUT fairings - so that makes it "canon." ;-)
It probably had a primitive type of shield, kinda creating an invisible fairing around the ship
Excellent! Very much in tune with the novelization of Khan's books. Well done! David
i have watched this at least 1000 times as I am a big time star trek fan for life. My late father loved it and got me interested in the show at the age 6 and from then on I was hooked.
THAT was freakin cool. Makes me want to go back and re-read Greg Cox’s Khan books.
I would like to see a television movie made where 29th century Starfleet(remember Voyager Episodes Future's End and Relativity) discover something wrong in the timeline from this period. Maybe some Suliban's or some of Vosk's followers could have went there, interfered with Gary Seven's plans and kidnapped him. 29th century Starfleet went back in time and with the help of Roberta Lincoln could rescue Gary and get the timeline back on track. It could even be a pilot for a new 29th Century Trek series depending on how many people watched and liked it.
I must have missed an episode or two, because I'm not sure what series that you're referring to. Voyager or Enterprise?
@@gregbowman9741 In the finale of Enterprise Season 3, we see Archer thrown-back in time to the WWII era (he wakes-up in a tent - and from his POV he sees a German soldier asks someone off-scene whether he recognizes Archer's uniform - and an alien in a German uniform leans-over into his POV). The next 2 episodes in Season 4 are entitled "Storm Front," in which Vosk, the leader of a Temporal War faction, features prominently. Being a WWII- AND an alternate history-fan, those are 2 of my favorite episodes of Enterprise, FWIW.
Cute but you and apparently the creators of the DY100 backstory know nothing of aerodynamics. You don't launch a flat surface like those cargo containers without some kind of shroud. They'd be ripped off if the shroud wasn't there.
Kevin Finkel Artistic license. We need to be able to recognize the iconic ship. 😀
Correct. Poor planning.
Just a thought, but, the Botany Bay has shields.
David Wood Shields? In 1996/7???
Yes. It is clearly stated that it is constructed using alien technology.
If I recall this correctly this ship was called a DY-100 (from Space Seed - TOS) it was used as a sleeper ship while exploring our solar system
Good recollection. In the same episode, the historian Marla McGivers also says that a new propulsion technology comes into existence in 2018, making sleeper ships unnecessary. (I'm still waiting to hear what that new development was.). ;-)
Thank you for this back story. I wasn't born when the original show came out.
***** I saw the Episode frist in 1997.
Who made this video ? Is there any connection to the people who made Star Trek effects, like "TOS remastered" or Doug Drexler or Rick Sternbach ?
Great job. They really should do at least one movie on Khan's backstory. Much more interesting than the other Star Trek-themed tripe they have been churning out.
I agree: IMHO "Discovery" is a hijacking and a gross perversion.
Even with the very few plot holes I could see it was still a very good idea, especially the incorporation of Gary Seven. And predictably, VideoSpaceFX has done a marvelous job of rendering the visual footage and sfx. I have yet to see one of his videos I don't like.
The plot was taken from the two-volume novel The Eugenics Wars: The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh by Greg Cox, who tried to explain the various times Star Trek had touched upon the mid/late 20th century at the time to create a novel telling a coherent story that incorporates it all, but also fit in with real-world events so the Trek timeline could still have happened, but the various fantastic events like the Eugenics Wars being secret conspiracies and secret wars.
For example, the reverse-engineered alien technology refers to the DS9 episode "Little Green Men", where Quark, Nog and Rom in a Ferengi shuttle are the aliens that crashed at Roswell. . .and the USAF getting a few days to examine a 24th century Ferengi shuttle and take notes (before Quark and company escaped back to the 24th century) is what gave them ideas about technology that lead to the Botany Bay.
And in the time it took to transit human's nearly destroyed themselves, discovered warp technology, made first contact, and rebuilt themselves into a greater empire than Khan could ever dream of. No wonder why he was pissed off when awakened.
No, because it was portrayed this way in an image in an actual episode and therefore is canon, as I have stated in the video description. Also, the novel portrays one launch not two. I have speculated on how the launch could be achieved using Trek-sytle technology. Apparently Heisenberg compensators and inertial dampeners can exist but a rudimentary aerodynamic forcefield, no!
Great vid to compliment the novels. Good job!
It's very cold in space for you Khan.
That comment actually made me chuckle. I love it when people try to impress while demonstrating their inability to do so.
I would only do #2 as that is an actual mistake.
The footage is low resolution and already scaled up. Also most of it is of real people which I don't want to show it too clearly as I feel that using it that way is a bit disrespectful.
The configuration of the launch is explained in the description. If the DY-100 had been designed to have low aerodynamic drag they would have omitted the conning tower and cargo pods and made it a giant pencil!
That said I understand your comment and thanks.
You know, this'd make a spectacular Star Trek episode., or part of one.
What beautiful music!
That is THE Perfect use for *Gary 7* !! Holy crap man, good hit.
I imagine the pitch going something like: "Khan.. Why keep fighting over the tattered remains of a single planet? ..When you could take on an even greater challenge, one worthy of your superior capabilities: 'To conquer the Stars themselves!' "
In short, the primative navigation system guiding the SS Botany Bay was ilequipt to deal with gravitational anomolies it encountered during its journey to it's programmed destination. - the 5th planet of the Ceti Alpha system in sector 25712 of the Alpha Quadrant. It was disabled and set adrift. It's passenger were kept in cryo-suspension until they entered the Ceti Alpha system.
Wonderful, thank you so much for this! Great companion to the "eugenics Wars series of Star Trek Novels.
This is the coolest thing. Perfect for a NASA junkie and a diehard Trekkie! (And a fan of the reference-novel, too! :-) )
This was great, I enjoyed every second of it, thanks for putting in the effort to make it!
the "force field" (using temporospatially active hull plating on the bow and protruding parts of the DY-10O fuselage) would also be necessary to protect the hibernating crew from radiation - both cosmic radiation and secondary radiation from very energetic impact on the ship's hull by the interstellar wind at one-tenth the speed of light.
The genius of inserting a character like Gary Seven into the the Star Trek canon was genius!. Gary Seven was introduced during the launch of, I think, Apollo 11. From this point the future is changed and the Star Trek canon can go in any direction it wants, including Khan and his escape.
+Stand4Liberty Footage was from Apollo VI, unmanned mission, 1968. XI was July 1969. You owe me ten minutes. I always wondered what footage that was!
+Stand4Liberty Just be cause you can doesn't mean you should!
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Using Gary Seven in the Khan story was originally from the novel The Eugenics Wars: The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh, and the story used in this movie was pretty much a summation of the second volume of that novel (the first being Khan's origins and rise to power, the second volume being his fall and exile).
Joe Osborne was that originally written under the star trek franchise?
Yes, that story was originally written as a fully licensed Star Trek novel, a two-part novel published in 2001.
so it was Gary seven who save. earth in 1996
He should have returned half a century later and stopped WW3,
An interesting fact about TWOK: The novels seen when Checov and Terrell enter the encampment on Seti Alpha 5 show the inspiration behind the story. For example, Moby Dick.
Bravo! Good writing. Good animation. Good editing. You should be proud!
I really enjoyed this. Thank to those who made it. Great work,
Jack Bass he was only human...mostly. He already looked to be in his 30s in 1968 and would have been in his 60s at least by the time of Khan’s exile. Unless he was traveling back and forth in time to all the trouble spots in history, by then if that were so why not avoid WW3? I guess hundreds of millions of deaths wouldn’t matter in the long run compared to the extinction event Khan was planning, or the escalation in the Cold War he prevented in his initial trip to 1968.
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That was ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!! and nicely done can almost feel the anguish of Kahn and his people as the Botany Bay is taking off!! Great Video 👍👍😄😁🌹
NOW THAT would make for a great Star Trek movie. Gray 7 convincing Khan to take the journey. It would take a hellvu writing team. But with the kind of talent Star Trek fans have. It should be feasible
Cool!When U do something about Daedalus class?Prequel to Return of Archons,perhaps?
Good idea!
I can´t wait:-)I love TOS era and U filling the gaps of ST history.Brilliant idea. P.s.when my mom saw this video,she was totally speechless!P.p.s.what is this great music 4:20-end?
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So we launched from Nevada so I expect those booster to crash somewhere over a populated area. Nice job 1996 Americans.
If those were anything like the Space Shuttle SRB's, they would have crashed about 150 to 200 miles from the launch site. Nevada is a really huge unpopulated area, unless it's flight path took it over Las Vegas they would not have landed anywhere near a densely populated area.
I have been a fan of Star Trek for most of my life and I have never seen this video. Love it.
Khan’s ship had ion propulsion, not impulse engines.
Kahn obviously *hoped* that the DY-100, despite being an interplanetary craft, could reach another star system with an inhabitable planet. Intervention by Gary Seven is as plausible an explanation for *why* he might believe that. Since it would have taken a fair number of people to prep the ship for the launch, one can assume that they were the ones that put the naming onto it.
It has always been an irony that Kahn, despite his vendetta, actually owes Kirk his *life*. A dozen of the cryo units had already failed when Enterprise found the Botany Bay. Had they not found it and revived the Augments, all of them, including Kahn himself, would have eventually died as their cryo units failed one-by-one.
The one thing I never understood was why Kirk banished them to Ceti Alpha V rather than dragging them back to Earth for war crimes trials. While centuries might have passed on Earth, from the perspective of Kahn and his fellows they had only just gone to sleep for a nap and woken up. You would expect a spacefaring society familiar with phenomena like cryogenics and time dilation to have allowances in their laws regarding statute of limitations on crimes when the criminal has not experienced the same amount of time as their victims.
+Daniel S Perhaps the decision was made because Kahn and his group had almost taken over the Enterprise. Kirk may not have wanted a possible repeat of this incident because his crew might lose in a rematch. Kahn and his group were very strong and very intelligent. They learned and adapted quickly. It is also possible that Kirk didn't want to risk Kahn getting loose on Earth. Kahn almost conquered the planet once. Why take a chance on giving him another shot at achieving his goal of global domination?
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This was *long* before the reboot movies gave Khan "Wolverine" super powers. "Space Seed" depicted the Augments as strong and intelligent, but not impossibly so. Indeed, your typical Augment had 5x normal human strength. Your typical Vulcan had 3x human strength. They were also demonstrably vulnerable to anesthetics.
Their initial success in taking over the world in the 1990's was due to nobody being prepared for people of their capabilities. But once you know about them, and what they're capable of, they're really not that much more of a threat than countless alien species, and *can* be imprisoned.
It just struck me as weird that *Kirk* would make such a unilateral decision, rather than the proper authorities on Earth. Also, assuming you *were* worried about what malevolent superhumans might get up to, wouldn't it be a bad idea to give them their own colony world and allow them to develop a generational vendetta against humanity?
+Daniel S
There's no mention in "Space Seed" that Khan or any of his followers were guilty of "war crimes." In fact, it's said specifically that there were no massacres under his rule, and no wars until he was attacked. Khan may have been a tyrant, but he was a GENTLEMAN tyrant.
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One does *not* conquer 1/4 of the world bloodlessly! I shouldn't have to point out that Khan's first act upon regaining consciousness in the Enterprise's sick bay was to grab his doctor by the throat! He was a "gentleman tyrant" in the same way that many James Bond foes were "gentlemen villains".
With the stuff from DS9(augments not being considered people), Kirk may have believed that they were better off on Ceti Alpha V than being taken back to Earth.
don't you like people who analyze every detail about things like this like it's a god damn college course or something and then point out any mistakes?? THERE'S A REASON THESE THINGS ARE CALLED SCIENCE "FICTION" PEOPLE!!!!
I like Stephen King's take on fiction. One has to suspend disbelief to enjoy it. Nice video, thank you.
But it's based on actual science, so there's room to play in reality. I'm learning things just from these comments, so it's all good. Argue away.
You don't fuck with the franchise. JJ Abrams is a hack who fucked up Star Trek and Star Wars. It's not about SWJ people.
@@Book7BrokeMyBrain many of the fiction in Star Trek became science FACT!
Absolutely! Just yesterday, I had a discussion with an engineer who had designed a heat alarm for firefighters' helmets. I said, "Remember Aliens? The feedback displays on all the Marines? This is where that kind of thing starts. And Star Trek created the tricorder and we wanted it to be a real tool. Now, someone has invented a version of the medical tricorder that can detect discrete body functions and different hormones and blood makeups. " If we can imagine it, we can build it. So it's only science fiction until someone makes it real. :)
This was the plot to one of the trek novels where Gary 7 was the main character .I never read it personally but always wanted to
The TOS-R Botany Bay has raised panels and details to make it look less smooth so I think it looks better. I didn't have TOS-R when I made this either, otherwise I could have matched things more closely.
Not bad for CGI. Congratluations!
Looks like good old-fashioned Westinghouse KX-241 analog switchboard meters on the hibernation control panels at 5:17.
The yellow-handled devices on the bottom row look like some kind of lockout relay, maybe a type WL with the handle painted yellow.
Gauges on the load centers aboard ships I work on are exactly like the ones in this video.
This short film is better than any of the NuDrek out there!
5:16 I didn't get a good look at that sign on first viewing, and I thought it said, "Warning - Hazardous Criminals", like something out of the Batman TV series! :D