Bitwig vs Cubase: 5 Things I Miss & 5 Things I DON'T Miss
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- I've finally made the switch, here are 5 things I MISS from Cubase and 5 things that I absolutely do NOT miss!
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Bitwig vs Cubase: 5 Things I Miss & 5 Things I DON'T Miss
Switched to Bitwig just after updating to 12 and never been back to Cubase. It's a lot more fun and inspiring producing in Bitwig.
F1 key best bitwig feature it pops an overlay of the thing you chose like an effect or something BUT the overly is big shows you the knobs etc and what they do BUT ITS LIVE twist a knob in the F1 overlay and the thing behind it, say its the Multiband eq or one of the VST instruments the controls move! So you dont have to go out of the overlay help to try what its telling you it does. tweak till your happy then F1 out of it. Its brilliant
Great comprehensive video! I think this is an exercise we all should take now and again. With your current DAW, list out the things you love, and the things you can't stand. It's a great way to take stock of whether your current tools are helping or hindering -- and if there's another toolkit (DAW) that could fit better ...
Nicely made video, and very informative! Thanks for doing this.
Melodyne takes pitch editing to a new level. It’s polyphonic as well as monophonic and if you pay for the full version there are some insane sound design possibilities that are not anywhere else.
my favorite bigwig features:
- you search for 'kick' in your samples, it will find kicks even if the file name does not contain the word 'kick'
- you select multiple tracks or clips and you can edit all of them at once
- you can have a send effect inside a group
- the stack modulator
- you can put the time shift tool into anything. also it has a little flux capacitor which is priceless.
what do you mean with flux capacitator?
@@croay Back to the Future reference 😊
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I changed from ableton to bitwig 2 yrs or so ago and having so much fun with it, worth the time and money. Secretly I was hoping for that you'll try it out once, but see the transition now makes me happy :) now I don't have to choose between my favourite daw and my favourite tutorials on YT...they successfully merged into ONE. quite a few good psytrance YT content creator/artist you can find nowadays, but the level where you operate and the way you explain ideas/techniques are really exceptional! I can't wait to see what the future brings and what you come up with in bitwig :) keep up the fantastic work and thanks for non-stop educating us!
Yeah !!! Early adopter here and I got to say , it’s really come into it’s own in the last few versions. So many powerful tools built in and the only thing limiting you is your imagination. Looking forward to seeing how you get on . Instrument selector + specific modulators is one of my favourite tricks atm.
I did the exact contrary. . . I jumped from bitWig to Cubase 12 and I am happier now... Cubase is eons more configurable and for the midi controllers, is a dream come true.
About the issues you comment,
- The file mangaement, I just open new quick projects from any templete I´ve created, and choose my "Weekly" folder.... and that´s it... start recording music.... if I want to keep it, I just save it and assign a name; if the week folder was empty, and I don´t save the project, no folder is created and no files stays on my Hard Drive.... so... I can´t see why this would be an issue.
- I have also a beatstep pro and many Moogs and I get to work with all of them sending the Clock from Cubase to them..... I haven´t tried Cubase as a slave, bit there is the setting.
- Midi Timing works perfect for me... I have Riffer and in another track I load Vital just as you did, receiving from Riffer... it works perfectly fine as it does in BitWig, and in Logic Pro X.
- @39:38 No DAW can compete with this BitWig feature... this is a total win for super Modular BitWig. For Sound design and Virtual Modular (with the Grid), I believe BitWig the best by far.
You keep saying about the midi timing. It should be checked out, to me it works super fine, very much solid and on time.
- @50:10 right on. I don´t like that also, just as Universal Audio, you have to filter all that. I´ve created my own settings and filters and left all that junk out of sight.
- The SandBox in Bitwig is SUPERB! I hope Cubase catch up on this.
- The launching of BitWig also is very fast, compared to Cubase... in Bitwig it feels a lighter load because it doesn´t scann ALL YOUR VSTs and computer files as Cubase does... I hate that of Cubase... it feels intrusive all the time.
@55:26 sounds like that old DelayLama 👍
Having said this, to me Cubase is superior to bitWig and it goes much better in my workflow... but I will not leave BitWig nor Logic Pro X..... Bitwig the best for modular virtual and soundesign. Logic Pro X it is good at everything, but feels old and glitchi. Cubase, totally my "home" now, the best all around and it is super for composing, for electronic music, analog modular synths, .... globally it just makes me more creative.
Thanks for the great response, yep I guess a lot of it comes down to preference. Having been with Cubase for over a decade and on the fence with bitwig since it's initial launch, I can say things are happening much faster on the BW side, in fact not much groundbreaking stuff has come from Cubase for a while now, just a new plugin here and there tbh. My personal focus is sound design and modular concepts, so I guess that's where BW shines. Regarding the timing thing, I suspect you're on a mac? I need to check on my Mac, but I remember it being an issue for over a decade now, it could be down to the tempo or how much each of our processes require absolute sample accuracy?
@@DashGlitch @Dash Glitch Yes, definitively for your goals of sound design and virtual modular... BitWig is a total winner, I still love Bitwig!
Right about the upgrades also, who really cares of new stock libraries or more VSTs? but the upgrade that lured me back to Cubase was the Midi Remote Controllers capabilities that are the best in a DAW, the Visuals (to my eyes Cubase is great), the Controll Room, the Midi capabilities, Macros and VariAudio..... the list continues for me, but I have to mention. the ditch of that darn dongle also.
Yes, I am on a Mac and the timing for the clock and midi is great, I dare to say even better than BitWig and Logic Pro X, because with them, at least in my setup, something feels a little glitchi. The latency compensation that Cubase has is superb, and I record a lot with external gear alongside with midi controllers (like my Vdrums) and the midi and audio is almost to the cent... rarely I have to manually correct.
Great videos man! I´ve learned a lot of sound design in your channel. I subscribed years ago with those videos, I guess, about bass growl in Serum, and Astrix and InfectedMushroom.... techno... 🍺
this is amazing dash ,,is the perfect time being such a good content creator now using my daw of choice is gonna be great
You are really cool dude! You have a new fan now! :) Keep up the good work!
Cubase user since 1990 checking in. ;) Awesome tutorial. The open effects architecture of Bitwig and the ability to include VSTs in modular fashion in grid patches is incredible. 44:50 there is a workaround (to an extent) for this in Cubase; by setting up a controller lane and drawing in or recording via midi controller the control info you want, and then mapping it onto where you want it to go. You can copy-paste bars of that info quite easily also. So you could simulate (in a clumsy kind of way) various LFO types by programming in the data in controller lanes. I never had any timing issues with any of that, but remembering back to the old Cubase VST versions there would be crazy artifacts from sharp volume control sweeps.
I use both, love both!!!
Just downloaded Bitwig after using Cubase for 9 years that's why I will watch now this video. The control room video was gold because I can't do without it. Thanks for sharing.
Came here as I was looking to shift from Cubase to Bitwig for CV and I learned a lot of features in Cubase I didnt know existed... great comparisons... Looks like I will be moving to bitwig as my DAW thanks for the video
Love your work, Dash! Proudly South African.
Thanks for this. I'm an FL Studio fan, but always open to new tools. Each DAW has its strengths and weaknesses, and if I could, I would have multiple DAWs so that I had the best of all worlds.
I noticed both Bitwig and Cubase now have Rent-to-Own options on Splice. Amazing time to be alive! I was thinking of trying out Cubase but it seems most of the Cubase features you liked are things I have in Reaper and miss dearly in other DAWs. I'm tempted by Bitwig though. Played around with 8-track and it started growing on me rapidly.
This is exactly the video I wanted to see.
Great video, thank you! I was a Cubase user on an old "cheesegrater" 2009 Mac Pro when I was doing orchestral work for media. I still have that machine but it's become too old to upgrade so I've now got a Mac Studio and I have Bitwig on there. My original plan was to try Bitwig alongside Cubase, but since I no longer plan to do any significant amount of orchestral work, the reason to have Cubase is sort of disappearing. The more I use Bitwig the better I like it, but I do agree with your closing comments: Variaudio and Control Room would be really good to have. Also, I was surprised to hear that Bitwig has no way of inserting devices post-fader. It's not something I'd do very often but it's just surprising it isn't supported anyway.
Nice vid Dash ! Ok so you've sold me... Day 1 of 20 trial here we go LOL
There actually is a way to set up a "Control Room" type of track in Bitwig, Baphometrix has made a video about it and I believe Polarity made a video about it as well.
Yea I've also done a video on it since :) Still not quite the same and has a few annoyances but it works for the time being
Damn watching your videos and streams while I should do other stuff on my computer makes me always want to immediately close the laptop, jump up from my chair, turn that damn phone off, grab a bottle of water and run towards the studio :D
With regard to the comping in Bitwig, as a ProTools, Logic, Ableton and Reason user, I always thought Logic had the best comping I had ever seen...until I tried the comping in Bitwig. So powerful, intuitive and effortless!! Bitwig is the new king of comping in my book.
Welcome Dash, I switched to BW a couple of years ago, and am now convinced that like beer, BW makes you funnier and more attractive to women.
Favourite features for me
1. Dedicated fx channels in groups
2. Audio side chain modulator, side chain anything. I now tend to duck many of my channels by side chaining EQ bands rather than simply volume. Gives loads of space in the mix
3. The FX and synth selectors. Especially with randomised switching
4. All the other containers I was surprised watching EClip and hearing him complaining that cubase had none. Saving presets of containers is awesome
5. The grid.
One free option that is sort of like variaudio is called Samplab. There is a free version that will let you convert audio to midi and edit it. I also like using it for multi sampled instrument creation out of polyphonic loops.
Great video, Dash. This is the first video of yours I'm seeing as a Cubase user and you're the one that convinced me to get Bitwig. Mind you, I will not be changing from Cubase to Bitwig as I honestly feel the things you miss kinda outweigh the things you don't. The audio processing capability, customization and Vari-Audio are unparalleled (I hate the folder system and MIDI timing too though). So I want to replace FL with BW as a ReWire/plugin I use in Cubase. There's apparently a work around for this since BW doesn't have ReWire and isn't recognised by CB as a plugin. But clearly Bitwig is more streamlined than FL and gives Ableton a run for its money - it's actually like FL and AL had a baby!
I feel like the new wave of DAWs is great for non-linear processes and sound design while the classic ones like Cubase and Logic are more linear. So I want the advantage of both but there is no 1 DAW that can do both equally. Wonder if anyone else feels what I'm talking about...
PS: My work around to avoid creating multiple unnecessary projects is to just create a file using an empty template and when I'm done playing around, testing new plugins or creating new presets/etc. I just close the project without saving.
You know that is the first time I've heard someone vocalize those problems with Cubase and midi recording. I bought Cubase years ago to record and co-ordinate my synth playing (I'm primarily a piano player), but eventually abandoned it completely because of the problems with midi you described. I thought maybe it was me and I was doing something wrong, and I tried a couple of different midi interfaces at the time including an expensive MOTU one. It was enough of a problem for me to completely abandon even attempting to use midi to record my playing, as I thought Cubase was regarded as amongst the best midi software recording systems available.
After a big break from using my computer to record music, I am getting into it again, and the first thing I did was to update Cubase, and the problems remained, but I saw Bitwig, played around with, bought the limited version, and found my midi problems cleared up, and I finally realized the problem was not me or my hardware setup, it was with Cubase.
The whole situation has for some reason reminded me of a picture I once saw on Tumblr when it was cool that said something like "feeling depressed? It might not be you, you just might be surrounded by arseholes."
The one fuction I rate over every other function in a DAW, especially important and helpful when changing from one DAW to another, is the ability to create your own key commands for all the functions.
That’s how my switch from Cubase to Logic in the late 90’s went so smooth. Did a text search for the function I was looking for in the key commands window, changed the key command to whatever it was in Cubase and could then just forget about in whatever menu or sub menu that function was to be found.
Also great when coming over to somebody elses Logic DAW - just load my own key commands and then ready to go…
yes so true, i miss to design my own interface in bitwig, i really dont know why they missed on this one.
that is very interesting about the midi timing. I have been using Cubase since the Atari days.....and on Atari its timing was rock solid!! I always thought it was a PC issue......going to look more into this....
i like that this daw does sandboxing !!
I like the chord track in Cubase and the vocal track .The need to always be online for authorisation is not good with Cubase .Yet to upgrade to version 5 of Bitwig . The development in FL Studio of the chord track is quite exciting though . I would like a better automation system with Cubase . I would like in all DAWS a secondary time marker with a specific button .Measure 20 to measure 25 marker that would be switchable from the main time marker.
Interesting you mentioned the MIDI timing issue in Cubase. I always thought it had something to do with my setup. Glad to hear it’s not just me.
They will tell you it’s your setup and so will the Einstein’s in chat 😏🤣
@@DashGlitch LOL! 😂
@@DashGlitch so, although my wallet isn’t happy, I am happy and thankful. You sold me on Bitwig. Got it yesterday, and took all of 5 minutes after I had installed it to actually get MIDI sync and transport control integrated between Bitwig and Vector sequencer on my modular. 5 minutes! Not an exaggeration.
You know how long it took for me to get it to work with Cubase? Never 🤷🏻♂️
Now, all I need to do is hit spacebar on the computer, and off I go! This is friggin awesome my dude!
You hit the nail on the head with the "saving Cubase at the start of a project thing", yoh it's so annoying that, that's why i just like opening Ableton for that reason, just get to the point, by the time i name the track in cubase the inspiration is gone lol
This was a complaint of mine early on too. I think I’ve about had it with Cubase. Ugh
Regarding a Post Master Fade separate output.
For getting Studio One audio out to OBS while still auditioning through my main monitor system, I found an Legacy plugin from Voxengo - Recorder.
Thanks to Windows not playing nice with multiple interfaces I found this old plugin most useful.
Btw I use both Bitwig and Studio One as my main DAWs.
the offline processing is for sure great, but I don't think it's something easy to add to a DAW. If you use any kind of instrument in BW you can add an fx inside the instrument itself so "bounce in place" will add the desired fx only on the selected part. In this way you also can add chains of fx and save them as presets. You just need a few clicks more to delete the fx from the instrument afterwards, but it's still coming very close to what you can do in Cubase. Coming from Ableton, for me Bitwig offers lots more of customisation (not at the levels of Cubase, sure). On one side is great but has also a big side effect: if you customise too much your workspace you will have troubles when you use the same DAW on someone's else pc, or the opposite. I think it's better to limit settings that change too much your DAW experience. I think it like a car...if you use someone's else car the feeling is different but you can still drive because the steering wheel and the pedals are there where every other car has :D. As you say, for track version, probably you will never miss if you never used before...I mean u can use clip launcher to do the same as track version but you can't do track version to do all the things clip launcher does ;) I don't understand the comparison between CurveEQ and the native Analyzer of Bitwig...just use CurveEQ on Bitwig, or am I missing something? :) Control Room: yes cool, but you can easily do it with Bitwig as it has a much more powerful audio routing system and save it as a template.I use RME analyser and Sonarworks, if I would take the audio from the master channel the spectrum in the RME analyser would be wrong. So I take everything coming from the master channel, but before the SW plugin and I send it to an other audio or fx channel and from there to my sound card where I take the audio to analyse, while on the speakers I have the audio treated with SW or a limiter. I think this is kind how also Control Room works! Sorry for long post, but I always was confronted with people using Cubase and always felt this missing things that actually are not missing but just different approach. Knowing what Bitwig can offer more than Cubase, and knowing now what for you are the things that you will miss more, I can only tell you made the best choice to switch to bitwig! You will see that very soon you will not miss these things anymore and I hope I could help you to make this process even faster :D :D
Oh my!!!! U switched…
Really glad to see Bitwig continue with excellence. When they first started out, they had a steep hill to climb with Logic being $200 and Live coming into its own. I'd be very interested to know how it compares to Live. Looks to be a similar flow. And also to know how it compares to Logic. Great overview Dash!! Thanks.
The only glaring differences I've noticed are how automation works and the built in devices are a lot more mature in Live as of now. Other than that, they are pretty comparable for the most part, apart from the workflow improvements Bitwig brings to the table. I'm sure there is much more, but that's just what I've noticed after being away from Live for a good 4-5 years now in favor of Bitwig.
The main difference is that Bitwig isn’t shit. It basically does everything that Live does with less BS. It has plug-in sand boxing so plugins can’t crash the audio engine. It has properly implemented PDC on the entire signal path ie between adjacent devices, not just between channels. Bitwig has Bounce in Place and hybrid tracks, so you can play bounced audio on the original synth channel, this is superior to Live’s freeze flatten workflow where you either lose the original midi going into audio or you have to keep backups which clutter the project. You can fully disable devices and even whole channels in Bitwig (stops latency being reported too, unlike Live).
Basically it’s glaringly obvious that Bitwig is a proper evolution of the Live paradigm, which isn’t being held back by legacy code and or management issues.
You can bounce both pre and post fader in Bitwig.it's an option for selection. There's also a studio view, though I have not used it much. That may be the answer to your question.
Thanks for the answer, not really, I know about bouncing, I was talking more about real-time audio 👍 I’ve since figured it out and made a Tuto
I think the Monitor FX idea from Reaper would be a better fit than Control Room. I would indeed very much like to see that added to Bitwig
One thing i must point out is that cubase has a whole section for "project synchronization setup" where one can set midi clock destinations and external sync, tbh I've never had issues with midi sync, i do have a RME interface though that has lank good latency, the only things I've had issues with were the beatstep pro and keystep, I don't use Arturia products anymore as they are cheap and not good for doing what they are made for, so maybe try the syncing again, I'm not sure why you have these issues in cubase tbh, for me its the most rock solid with latency, also check if you have asio guard on as that adds another 20ms latency, anyways, these are my experiences, and I know you know your stuff..
Hey Dash. Fantastic content. I am cubase user, and you've revealed some cool things in cubase that I never knew before; I have only ever used offline processing to do very simple tasks. I also have the 8 track version of Bitwig and fully intend on dipping my toes in..... Couple of things, I also use Riffer and I'm pretty sure I don't experience those timing issues, but I will certainly check again. If you export the midi from riffer it's certainly locked. I do get sync issues with Stochas which is a similar type of VSTi, but that's when it's out by exactly a bar; I always attributted that to the VSTi rather than cubase. Also you can now sync to an external source, this was introduced in 12 I think, page 1256 of the manual. (Transport >> activate external sync).
Thanks! Every live midi generating plugin does it, always has since Cubase SX2. And afaik that sync is only for MMC for old tape machines and not Midi
@@DashGlitch ahhh midi timecode not midi clock. My bad.
Actually, I use the control room to listen louder so I have a -9 -8 db mixdown but hear it as -3 -2
Wow, coming from the standpoint of a metal person - I really need to get one of these nicer DAWs. Especially being very new to electronic music and just being experimental at the moment. I basically have gotten very stuck on, and used to super oldschool style stuff that lacks these awesome extremely useful features, and actually, you would be probably surprised how much time I spend doing everything almost entirely manually. It takes me so long to do all this, I’ve just gotten used to doing everything that way. I think that’s probably a lot of my limitation as well. Having trouble trying to re-create some of my favorite electronic genres using the tools I have awhich are quite simplistic in the end. Eg I have actually watched a few of your other videos on psytrance, which is one of the most fascinating genres I’ve ever heard, and even though I followed everything to a T, nothing was coming out like it should have. I think part of that problem is probably because I’m using software that just wasn’t intended for that kind of music. I think I finally reached my limit now with that 😂 The other is just ADHD.
Another thing if it hasn't been mentioned, you can also control it with an MPC like ableton.
The thing I miss the most in Cubase and that prevents me from paying to update from 7.5 to 12 is the lack of cv/gate integration. Hello Steinberg ? The grid has the best tools for that, even better than Reaktor. I don’t know why Steinberg doesn’t act on it. About the rest, I miss some things but most of the plug ins I use have lots of possibilities in terms of controls and modulations, so I do not really need anything more. Interesting video, thank you.
Btw.: Can VariAudi pitch polyphonic audio? Because I use Melodyne and it can do this.
Since you have started dabbling in Bitwig you have got my attention. Hooray! :)
I started using Bitwig around last Xmas. Having Been a Cubase user since 1989 on Atari, the right mouse click to access the tools menu was so ingrained in my muscle memory, it took me months to not do it in Bitwig. I love the workflow in Bitwig for creating and sound design but I’ll still mix in Cubase, as I tend to bounce any MIDI tracks into stems anyway so it all gets ported over. Bitwig, for me, is a wonderful playground and an instrument in its own right but Cubase for mix down all the way 👍
I’m curious what Cubase offers you in the mix that bitwig doesn’t or is it a workflow thing?
@@DashGlitch it’s purely a workflow thing and I’m not keen on the short faders in Bitwig. One update I wish they would implement in Bitwig would be to have the ability to re-size the faders, similar to how you can in Ableton but I like being able to have the mixer full screen with longer faders.
Loves me Bitwig. I switched from Logic->Reaper->Studio One. I love features in S.O (like the midi generation, pattern sequencing and the means to draw wave shapes in the automation) But I've also just did an experiment with midi routing with the IAC bus so I can continuously make weird little 8 bar experiemtns in S.O. or program a beat quickly in the pattern and then port it straight into Bitwig and not have to do the tedium of Exporting.
I was on Bitwig in 2014, when it was released. I still use it sometimes, but can't stand the subscription, so I have mostly been using logic again, which has had me producing better tracks.
@@NeonPLotus Bitwig doesn't have a subscription. I think you meant studio one. You can rent-to-own Bitwig through splice. But with Studio One, they have the option to purchase a perpetual license as well. It's not like Pro-Tools. I don't understand why people protest a software when they offer both subscription and a perpetual license. Some of us can't afford a full payment of audio software, so I'm glad they have these options. However, I prefer rent-to-own. Because you get a perpetual license at the end of it all
@@buckycore you pay annually for “updates”
It’s a subscription.
I’ve had it since version 1.0 in 2014, so I should know better than anyone.
@@NeonPLotus well. Sorry that you feel that way. Anyway, I'm not here to complain about Bitwig. I understand you have your grievances, and I respect your opinion about it. I love Logic as well, but it's limited in many technical features like multichannel midi routing and such. But again, I'm not here to discuss why you prefer logic on this channel or thread. I'll be more than happy to do so in other forums and discussions, however. So please do enjoy Logic and may you make many many more tracks beyond what you've created so far through out the years.
I've been using Bitwig for the last 4 years and what I've noticed is they don't add the usual stuff from other DAWs into their DAW. They seem to be bringing things in that would normally fit in the software plugins like with the latest release or stuff that could be done in Digitech (last summer's release with the note features and note fx). I've been hoping for chord/key track but it's not there. However, there's a workaround you can do with the Note grid to make it do that, it's just not automatic.
@@franksaraceno1171 I don't think they "don't care about their end users". They simply have a strong vision for their DAW that is unlike any other DAW out there, which approximately is centered around it being experimental sound design instument & DAW hybrid. However, in each update they add both that type of stuff AS WELL AS some workflow, basic features; so they try to keep it balanced.
@@Artek604 Exactly and that's the huge issue. Instead of getting QOL workflow updates the software is getting more and more entrenched into its niche. I just ended up moving to another DAW.
@@pierbover Sorry to hear that, but I'm not surprised. Bitwig seems to appeal to certain crowd that writes music in a non standard way. For me, I don't care it takes me couple more seconds to do something in Bitwig compared to Cubase or Studio One, because I can do stuff in Bitwig that I can't in those other DAWs. So perhaps I'm using couple of minutes each session in one place, but I'm saving hours elsewhere.
We have been asking for a tuner since 2014. I specifically told them how to make their drum machine like logic's, with minimal changes, using what they already have (since they already have group tracks) and they just ignored me.
@@NeonPLotus Sure, but you could also look at it from different perspective - why hasn't Apple added modulators? or container devices? or hybrid tracks? They've billions in the bank & thousands of developers, whereas Bitwig has a team of ~5 (their total staff is less than 20).
Ultimately you have to take the DAW for what it is and how it fits into your needs *right now*. I miss some things in Bitwig like we all do, but they're a small fraction of my workflow - maybe 5-10%. Most of the things I do all day every day, no other DAW does as good as Bitwig!
So, as long as the above remains true, I'm sticking to it :)
Will you release a bank of bitwig racks? Would surely buy it :)
After using Cubase back in the day (since Atari 1040ste - C-Lab/Emagic Notator/Creator and Cubase), I moved to Mac and therefore Logic Pro. Then my Mac died and I decided to go back to Cubase Pro on PC a couple of years back... It has been rather disappointing to see that as a platform, Cubase hadn't really evolved. Bugs from well over 10 years ago requiring me to remember all of my workarounds, the MIDI engine was even less accurate now... all rather uninspiring. I have been messing about with Bitwig - decided to go via Splice to rent/own Bitwig Studio yesterday - what a refreshing environment to work in. It was the built in modulation system that was a key factor for me! The pace of the development of Bitwig is inspiring...
I remember back when it was still Cubase VST (I think the last version was 4.x?) MIDI timing wasn’t too horrible. It went to shit with Cubase SX versions and hasn’t improved ever since.
I'm just a newbie but I've a noticed a lot of people switch from other DAWs to Bitwig but none switch from Bitwig to another DAW.It must have a lot going for it.I started with Cakewalk which I still use as it's free but have been dipping my toes into Bitwig since I got the 8 track version. While It doesn't have a lot of the cool stuff from the full version, I'm still beginning to find out how powerfull it is.
Great observation. One that shows the quality of sofware for sure. People coming to it, but not leaving it. That's when you know you are doing it right.
Can we lock the piano roll to a certain scale? it's a must....
I also moved from Cubase 12 Pro to Bitwig Studio 4 trial which is so inspiring from me. Don’t get me wrong Cubase is very advanced and I miss their midi functions massively but I’m getting so much more music written and complete in Bitwig Studio which also seems to be faster and not resource hungry either, maybe it’s just me but it seems so much faster to work so I brought the full version today.
I went the other way from Bitwig to Cubase. The sound design and generative features in Bitwig are really the best in the industry, but the piano roll is awful and it's missing many fundamental features. In Cubase if I want to get deep into sound design I just use the KiloHearts stuff but otherwise it's so much better to actually write midi.
I wish Bitwig just released something like a Bitwig Rack with all their devices, modulators, etc, that could be used in other DAWs.
interesting, what is missing from the Bitwig piano roll? I find the fact that pitch-bends snap to the note so intuitive, and that MPE and other stuff is just automatically handled, no workarounds is fantastic. I kinda feel the opposite, I way prefer BW's piano roll, I found Cubase always took a few workarounds or macros to get what I needed.
@@DashGlitch if you look at Bitwish (the forum for user requests) you will find many requests regarding the piano roll. There are so many issues starting with working with multiple modulation and CC lanes, not having default settings so you need to show velocities every time, the note length behavior, etc.
Here's just one example. In Bitwig you can't set up default settings in the piano roll and by default it hides velocities and the modulation/CC lanes. I always want to see velocities and the modwheel lane so I have to set that up on every new track. But it gets worse because I use Zebra very often with its 4 XYs modulators. So I often need 9 modulation lanes in the piano roll (8 for the XYs and the modhweel).
There’s a swift workaround ;) I’ll perhaps show it in a future video
Was Cubase always bad with a midi timeing in slave mode??? I am shoked! What operating system do you use?
Another almost entirely overlooked feature from Cubase which I just cannot function without is Profiles. You can easily store everything from your key commands, preferences, colour schemes, UI Visibility toggles, etc onto a profile which you can carry around in a thumb drive. There have been multiple occasions when I had to format my mac and reinstall the OS. Setting up everything from scratch again would be crazy. You might even forget many if the workflow settings you had set up. In that case, you can just load up the saved profile and boom. You’re back in line again. Another great application of this is when you’re visiting studios which have Cubase. If you import your profile there, it’s basically like having your own computer at every studio you visit.
Much respect, but I haven't had any real issues with my workflow in cubase. And there's always a different workflow.. like creating a template for new projects for example etc.. the global modulation in bitwig is a great feature though
Nice video. Would be nice to have chapters
About Cubase midi timing.. did you tried to disable asio guard for this plugin? (In the plugin manager).. I also notice the high latency values brake the timing for rythemizer
Yea I tried everything, the problem has persisted for several decades lol
@@DashGlitch so weird. I've never had this problem and been on cubase since early 2000s. Do you find the problem on Mac as well as Windows?
Think you should have gone a bit further and modulated the X and Y positions 😉
I hope the Sampler gets decent and dynamic slicing. Slicing Audio is possible but desctructive and cumbersome. Also waiting for clone/alias clips. For a DAW that's promoting using a clip launcher a simple thing like clones/aliasing should be the least thing available. Something Cubase/Logic has for years. Also there is a strange bug with some older VST plugins and settings that are jumping when they are being modulated and you open the vst window. Bitwig blames developers, developers don't care (Nexus, Synthmaster).
customizable....well just get Reaper :) Bitwig has its own domain beside other DAWs
Having watched your streams from time to time I always thought Bitwig was perfect for your production style. I remember asking you when you're going to switch, and you said "Cubase is my preferred DAW because it has features Bitwig doesn't." I guess the pros outweighed the cons in the end. I 100% agree, Bitwig desperately needs a feature like VariAudio. I'd also like it to automatically create warp points on samples similar to how Ableton does. It takes so much time adding the markers myself. The FX Selector is incredible for glitch effects which yo can automate on samples or VST's. I really look forward to seeing what you come up with in the Grid. I'll be sure to tune in more because Cubase just wasn't my style.
Also the small matter of Bitwig costing a lot less than Cubase. £497 to £335 in the UK which in these days is no small saving
@@andytuke8986 Exactly, plus the dongle that you need to always have in your computer to use it, meaning less USB ports available and heaven forbid you loose it. If Bitwig had a rent to own option I'm sure it would draw in many more customers.
@@paradoxic1888 They do, via splice
@@andytuke8986 Oh yes I forgot about that. Well that covers those who can't fork out so much at once.
@@paradoxic1888 Steinberg finally ditched the dongle, so at least they’re making progress.
As a Bitwig user, I can say that it is more suitable for various genres of electronic music. Cubase and the like are more suitable for live instruments and working with vocals.
Bitwig can be used for live music, just like Ableton.
in the old days (90s) Cubase was THE standard for electronic, with Pro Tools being for live. Interesting how things reverse.
May I ask, why is it more suitable for EDM over Cubase. I'm just beginning to make EDM myself so would appreciate any insight.
i never knew cubase was so efficient in these things
Wow! Bad midi timing was the secret behind Boris Brejcha's style!
Im moving over too, I miss the same things... But Bitwig handles mass amounts of plugs that cubase couldn't.
Hi Dash (fellow Saffer..) did you consider Ableton Live before you moved to Bitwig? Andre
Yes, it was a definite no for me
@@DashGlitch you use bitwig, but dont like Live? Why?
Samplab has a plugin version and a standalone version
I'm using Bitwig for many years and I want to work with nothin' else. Almost no limitations and varios approaches in creatin sound.
I "switched" from FL Studio to Cubase, but I also own Bitwig 4. The hardest part of DAWs to me is setting up templates and controller workflow. Someone should do a comparison of the pros and cons of each DAW. FL Studio Global Links is useful if you set up copies of the file in which they're stored. I'm not sure why FL Studio makes you do this manually though, rather than saving "Global Link" presets. I've never set up Bitwig for templating orchestral music - I imagine its not really designed for that type of music. But some things I like about Cubase right away (the templating aspect not so much).
I think bitwig will excel in orchestral templates, you can do a lot more with a single channel, thus simplifiyinf templates
Yeah wow! You jumped! So did I a few years back…
Yes, isn't that "show what you are missing out" in browsers so horrible. Like IK multimedia. Advert applications .
Came from Cubase, started with Bitwig yesterday.
I think you can't use cubase alone as a daw or infact you can't just use 1 daw. My preferred are Cubase and Ableton.
That midi arp, has always been a problem in cubase, that why its imposeble to use 30:00
I am not sure if Cubase has any developers left, it seems, when a company get stablished and old, they stop innovating. bitwig has a very good crash protection system.
Yep, I'm still waiting for fixes for issues I brought up while I was still using it, over 6 months ago.
i dont understand how people find bitwig confusing. I felt home the minute i opened bitwig, from a logic and ableton background. Not only i got rid of logic and abelton(whic are great software, not bashing). I also go rid of 90% of my plugin because of the grid modules.
Got a lot coming up in the grid 😁 stay tuned
I don't know why I should switch my DAW. I just need more time to make music ;)
6:10 you can do this in bitwig since a while now.
19:20 there is a plugin from Image Line called Newtone wich can do this...it`s cheap but you need an FL registration key...as far as i know it only runs in fl, but fl is basically a vst itself and can run in other daws...ua-cam.com/video/3Rzoke_6Bek/v-deo.html
things i miss from cubase that are not in bitwig:
1. track freeze
2. lower minimal track height
3. audio editing workflows
4. less crashes & bugs
why i still think bitwig is OP:
1. modulation
2. routing
3. containers
4. 32bit and VST2 support
regarding track freeze, I mean, isn't bouncing and deactivating tracks more than enough?
@@croay no, it's less than enough. the purpose of freezing is to free up resources but still getting the same sound, so deactivating tracks can't be compared. now bouncing is pretty similiar to freezing yes, but still problematic. freezing only temporarily frees resources. it can be unfreezed at any time to give back control. bounce in place overwrites what's on the track, so you can't use it, especially not if some other track uses midi sidechain from that track, as it then contains audio only. bounce itself is also problematic because it renders to a new track, so if other tracks have audio sidechain to that track you have to manually reroute that now, and reroute back if you wanna use the original track again. that is at least not impossible, but just a bad workflow. the strength of the bounce feature is imo that it swiftly lets you commit to your sounddesign experiments. the purpose of freezing however is to enable people to make bigger projects without losing resources. but especially with big projects it's important that the daw gives you a maximum overview and doesn't add even more things to worry about. so using bounce as a pseudo freeze is not productive. if you haven't tried cubase yet, do that. and make it huge. you'll notice the freeze feature gives you a calm mind at all project sizes, until you run out of ram. but at that point my cpu would have been crushed 10x already without freeze
@@Beatsbasteln oh, cool, thats good to know, I already use reaper so I'm familiar with freeze even tho I rarely use it.
i want to edit multiple midi notes that start at different points and end at different points, but i want them to end exactly at the end of a bar. s1 can do this but i don't think bitwig can. anyone know if i can in bitwig?
Yes you can extend all the notes and use scissor tool to cut at the same place
Dude how did you get Riffer to play the instruments on different instruments in the group?
Bitwig's Note Reciever :)
@@DashGlitch Genius, thank you
tank mierder effect ?
Rewatched this ... I have this problem... everytime i open any midi sequencer it opens at 1/32 and i dont know how fix it to 1/16 ... have you figured it out?
That’s weird, only had it with one plugin but it was a bug with that plugin that they subsequently fixed
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Was looking to get into bitwig but you actually convinced me to get into Cubase lol
See you again soon ;)
@@DashGlitch ok am back in bitwig, ditched ableton and cubase felt clunky! Absolutely loving it, Ableton workflow but without abletons garbage cpu usage problems
@@Kantaroooo abletons cpu usage is the reason why i'm trying bitwig right now ...but i really would prefer to stay in ableton, i have no workflow complains, just the cpu usage makes it nearly unusable for me
I don't know why you have a sync issue with Riffer and Cubase. It syncs perfectly when I record a track. Maybe I am missing something in the way you are using it. When I first started using Cubase, I ran into the same project folder issue you did at first, but once I understood how and why it works that way, I was able to avoid the issue going forward. Those are cool features you showed in bitwig, but it's not enough to make me switch. I've been tempted to use more than one DAW, but the expense and keeping track of files has stopped me.
Once the midi is recorded it’s fine, but live midi input timing is way off
Bitwig Studio wins "Best DAW in 2023" end of story folks.
From the first glance it looks like Bitwig is a Modular Toolkit perfect for working with a Modular System. I think I will it take it for my planned Erica synths setup. Personally I didn't like the way cubase goes. Appreciate the Software but will no longer upgrade. They should focus on Innovation and Plug In integration instead of making cheesy cheap looking copies of professional ones on their own.
Welcome from a fellow ex-Cubase Bitwigger.
Why did you swap ?
How does ABL3 from AudioRealism compare?
To Cubase or Bitwig?
@@DashGlitch Ups....wrong video...I meant to Phosycon 😄
You can create a “listen” bus in Bitwig, check Baphometrix videos. ❤️
oh dang I must have missed that particular video!
@@DashGlitch it's in his clip to zero series.
@@DaKingof Hey bro.. So I've got the trial going with ALL downloadable content installed... Didn't realise you didn't need it LOL... anyway... Need some learning vids... Is Baphometrix a good start or can you recommend any other 'Bitwig beginner courses'? Coming from Ableton Suite 11 and am ok with that... just seems Bitwig is alot different LOL. Cheers
I know Baphy is a big fan of Bitwig. She is gonna be happy you made the switch.
Bitwig is more complicated if you're used to the Cubase workflow.
With all the modular stuff you do. It only makes sense that you are a bitwigger. Hard R LOL
Ctrl+Enter is your best friend in Bitwig ;)
I am currently in the process of switching over from Reaper to Bitwig. Reaper is a great DAW, but Bitwig has so many features that seem perfectly suited for the type of music I'm creating (ambient, meditative). It hasn't been a terribly hard switch, though there are still some subjects I've not figured out. The main issue I'm currently having is understanding how to repitch a sample without changing the tempo, or vice versa. That's easy in Reaper. If anyone knows how this is done in Bitwig, please share!!
You need to use one of the warp modes/algorithms other than repitch or raw. I generally go for Stretch HD, this allows you to pitch and timestretch independantly. The settings are in the inspector panel for each sample, but in the settings you can set how it loads by default.
@@DashGlitch Thank you! I have mine set to import all clips as raw, and I haven't really figured out the differences between the other modes. Your description makes sense, though. I will try it out.