(211)The Nimrod Class (Section 31)
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- In today's episode of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at one of Section 31's scariest starship designs ever created, the Nimrod Class!
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Starfleet: "what do you mean we should just blow up all this tech"
Temporal Agent: "trust me on this"
Section 31 in DS9 was done best. Loyalty, not thirsty for power and rogue in all ways.
This one most advanced and best ship that section 31 created.
For the time yes ;)
I love this ship! It's giving JJverse Vengence vibes too. So excited for the section 31 movie!
Yes I cant wait too :)
I really do feel like this fits into the classic design language of Jeffries era Trek ships than a lot of other modern Trek designs, I even dig it's callbacks to the Vengeance.
I think that having a black ops, covert arm of Starfleet is par for the course for people in general. You will ALWAYS have people who love the Baker commission way of doing business, it's short sighted, though.
Apparently, everything regarding Section 31 in Discovery Season 2 was classified by Starfleet, but it makes me wonder what kind of cover story they laid out to explain that big space battle and the time rift at the end. Someone aside from Kiley 279 HAD to have picked it up on their long-range sensors. Great video! 🖖😎👍
Thank you so much! And im sure Starfleet's PR dept came up with a brilliant cover story... Space Weather Balloons? :P
Great presentation. Although there is part of me that would like to have seen more of these sharper lines on standard Starfleet ships (although not to this degree) it does make the Section 31 ships distinctive. They have a shared design philosophy with the Federation but they are also their own animal, it's a good balance and stunning design. An entity would need a clandestine organisation to complement or perhaps counteract the philosophy of the Federation. But with independence, they would go ever further beyond their original charter.
Thank you :)
I love this ship and section 31. I'd love to see an updated version of this ship, using tech from the era of Star Trek: Picard.
If I remember correctly, Section 31 never actually disbanded though. There was a lot of their involvement in DS 9. And Bashir was a member also if I remember the series correctly.
Exactly, it was all just a rouse! But no Bashir was not a member of it, S31 tried, but he just used them to try and bring them down!
Section 31 ships are my favorite. They have such a sexy design. The Nimrod has to be the one I like most. Second is the USS Vengeance.
Well I hope you enjoyed the video then :)
I really like that ship! Dark, sleek and silent. Reminds me of the SR-71 Blackbird.
She's a beauty! :)
Eaglemoss had another class that was this but didn’t have the bottom nacelles. It was called the Deimos class
That's correct :)
I forgot where I heard the full phrase but any sci-fi utopia that has flaws/blemishes in their perfect light but still better than the modern time it means they are something you can hope for or something that seems believable to happen. You know how to make weak content look great and the nimrod is far from a weak ship from disco. You’re a great entertainer
Awwwww :) Thank you SO much!
This story makes a lot of sense to me, I’ve enjoyed this.
Excellent! Im glad you did and thank you :)
Ah a section 31 ship looks like a ship from the alternate universe 😮😮
Considering section
31's secretive nature. Did they REALLY destroy everything? Or just some of it and then move the rest even deeper into the shadows?
Now that's the question isnt it? ;)
Some things will remain a secret..
I always love the fact that Section 31 would name such a ship a powerful ship "Nimrod" after the classical sense of the word... A Mighty Hunter... Definitely worthy for such a class of ship...
Section 31 is nothing if not ironic ;) :P
Awesome video. I even have the Eaglemoss version sitting on my table. As far as the storyline goes, l strongly believe that this class actually still exists even in the 24th Century and above. Also, glad that this channel doesn't curve to Gatekeepers because those in the fandom are nothing but buzzsaws. Keep up the great work.
Thank you so much! And no, this channel will never curve to them. They suck the fun and ideals right out of Trek and don't deserve any of our time! :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics, l completely agree. Btw, are would you be interested in a collaboration in creating a fan prequel series in the Kelvin Timeline several years before the destruction of Vulcan? You recently did a video that chronicles the creation of the Kelvin Timeline Enterprise in which my fanseries runs alongside it.
just a absoloute pleasure to see it in flight. shame it was only really in the background in the final battle. she contrasts so nicely with the discovery. and of course there's her variable geometry nacelles. (I really like your inclusion of the holo emitter tech)
Thank you for enacting an anti-rant policy. More pages, channels and groups should take that approach. Thank you for keeping the peace.
Except for the fact that sometimes people have their own opinions and it's part of their fun to speculate on other scenarios. If you aren't being mean or nasty about it there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. Besides the fact that it kinda contradicts his line that "everything should be taken with a grain of stardust" but don't question my narrative or you're out. Admitting to censorship is probably not a very good idea on this platform but it is his choice I suppose.
Never ONCE did I say "but don't question my narrative or you're out," and trying to make it about censorship seems to be you just trying to make a cause to wave a flag at. I said Anti-Rant, not "your own opinions" or "Speculate on scenarios!" Im not sure what you don't understand about "Anti-Rant," as everyone else understood what I meant, but let me explain it to you so that maybe you'll get it. It's EXACTLY to prevent mean and nasty commentary, that's all! All too often I get those that do exactly that. IE Put someone down for a different opinion by making Racial, Sexist or down right disgusting comments. So in the future, you might want to listen to what is said, and not create your own narrative in your head!
I have the eaglemoss model of this ship, a very beautiful ship indeed. And you crafted a good story for it!
Glad you enjoyed it! And thank you :)
I also have the Eaglemoss version as well.
I would tell you how great this video was .....but it is a secret. Nerd Approved.
You know how many stories you can create based on S31? The possibilities are infinite.
Indeed they are :)
At the time wasn’t warp 9.2 absolutely insane? Section 31 was WAY more ahead of Starfleet than we realize
On average, it was about a century ahead of Starfleet!
I always thought the name Nimrod sounded funny. Interesting design to be sure, it kind of looks like a Prometheus with its 4 nacelles and Arrow hull.
S31 named it the Nimrod Class because in the classical sense, and perhaps with a sense of irony, Nimrod means A Skillful Hunter...
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics LOL! Could be. (It is)
S31 Yard Foreman Custer: “Okay we’ve got some orders here for new ships. As you know the directive is always to be more advanced than Starfleet so we can protect the Federation. So show your ideas.”
Designer 1: “Well sir here’s my design. It’s Kind of covert scout design.”
Foreman: “Hmm looks good, register it NCIA-93 and call it good.”
Designer 2: “I present a Four Nacelled design with an arrowhead primary hull.”
Foreman Custer: “I like it, but here’s a hull in the middle of the hull.”
Designer: “There’s a reason behind it. It’s to prevent any objects from getting on the ship until scans are completed and it can be beamed aboard.”
Custer: “Good thinking. The specs look promising. Okay I’ll stamp it approved, and Well done.”
Designer: “Sir what do we call it?”
Custer: “I’ll leave that up to your capable hands. I trust you, just don’t call it anything stupid.”
The next day.
Foreman Custer: “Hey Owens, did you come up with a name yet?”
Owens: “Yes sir I did. (Hands over the final blueprints.”
Custer: “Nimrod? What the hell? I told you not to name it anything stupid or ridiculous. You did just the opposite.”
Owens: “No sir I didn’t. Nimrod was a skillful hunter in Book of Genesis.”
Custer: “I’m aware of my Earth mythology. But Nimrod also means a foolish or Inept person. By naming it Nimrod, you’re saying that the crew that are operating it are inept fools.”
Owens: “Well I wasn’t thinking about that at the time. But upon reflection it’ll set is apart from Starfleet and any other power. It’s not like Starfleet will launch a Constitution class called USS Nimrod.”
Custer: “True. I guess it’ll depend on who commands this shop. Are they are skillful leader and Hunter, or are they an inept fool leading them down the path of death and destruction?”
Owens: “Exactly.”
Custer: “Damn it. Alright what the hell, I’ll approve as the Nimrod class. Nice work Mister Owens. By the way, what’s your first name?”
Owens: “Nimrod.”
Custer: “No really.”
Owens: “My mom and dad named my Nimble Rodney Owens. Nimrod for short. Mom came up with Nimble, Dad thought of Rodney. Here we are. I wanted call myself Buck but they wouldn’t go for it.”
Custer: “Well I’ll be damned. That’s gotta be the funniest thing ever. Keep up the good work Nimrod. By the way my name is George Armstrong Custer. So we’ll see which nimrod you are and those Captains are.”
Owens: “Thank you sir.”
LOL It's not a could be, it's a fact :P
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Yep definitely fact.
I know, that's what I said :P
Section 31 doesn't exist.
LOL
Ferengi ships can have smooth outlines with no protruding pylons. Vulcan ships also look nice. Federation ships always look like deranged Christmas tree ornaments, or blow dryers.
It kinda reminds me of an early Prometheus class
In a way :)
Very nice viedo about the Nimrod Class
Thank you Dom :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics no Probleme. Have Video about my Challenger class on UA-cam
Starfleet Intelligence always knows what the Shadow knows.
They should make a section 31 Star Trek series, and have like a James Bond or mission impossible story line.
I'm Pro-Section 31.
If it wasn't for 'The Sisko' and Section 31 reminding 'The Founders' that they are mortal; the Federation and its Allies would have been conquered by The Dominion.
Dam nice looking vessel!!!!!!!!
I've not heard of the Deimos class, but I love this 4 nacelle ship. Any chance we will get a video on it one day??? 🙏🏻
I love quad nacelled ships and I knew I had to have this when it appeared in ST:O
Section 31 was so secretive, that even Section 32 didn't know of their existence
I respect and support your anti-rant stance
Thank you :)
A design from Star Trek: DSC, finally come out to this channel to find out of its details. Thanks this man for bringing the quality of the videos.
If there’s Nimrod class now, there should be Hou-Yi class next!
LOL Tim I have done MANY DSC Era Starships on this Channel! Check out my DSC Era Starship Playlist ;) ua-cam.com/video/fewQOlDNn5g/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TriAngulumAudioStudios
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I know right!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Remember to make more pages of Starfleet designs, we are eager to watch your new videos and learn its place in Starfleet history.
Looks like a proto-Prometheus.
I love Section 31; they are the CIA of the Federation, and make sense to me. Thanks for this:)
You're very welcome George! :)
We are all here to listen to star trek lore
You and I are, and the majority of this channels community certainly is, but a select few, no... Sadly they are only interested in gatekeeping and venting their hate!
Section 31 is canon by definition. It may not fit into GR’s idealistic view of the Federation but every government has their ‘secret division.’
I love the idea of section 31. It is VERY human.
Good story/theory 👍 makes a lot of sense
dont particularly like the ship design though, not a fan of four nacelled ships
Thank you very much :)
Section 31, was needed to enforce security measures and is a Shadow Operations Starship. Every organization has their own secret service operation. Starfleet and the Federation was no different. IMHO
I have the eaglemoss model of this ship. Its really a cool looking ship. But i agree with other commentors, i like how DS9 and even Enterprise did section 31 better then the new shows.
Great video, but I am not sure they destroyed all their ships…
Ah yes, the big question ;)
I really like this ship, it keeps all the "starfleetness" of the designe but give it a twisted purpose, just like the own Section 31 and with a galaxy where Obsidian orders, the Klingon Intelligence department and cardasssian agents it is unwise to not have a "secret" agency to counter those organization.
This is my main ship in STO :D
oh the nimrods and the smaller ships were totally NOT destroyed, i highly doubt starfleet could catch them so they just vanished into the background to one of their secret support facilities and used their holo emitters to disguise themselves as other starfleet ships....Until supplanted by the Erebus-Class (where most Nimrods were dismantled for parts some were maintained to provide a heavier strike capability if an Erebus ran into something it couldnt handle)
Is it possible that section 31 was working alongside temporal agents? This class of ship looks and functions like a refit era over a TOS era, with performance entertaining near Excelsior advancements.
My idea is linking the name Section 31 to 31st century when the temporal cold war was going on. Is it possible that section 31 had some 31st century knowledge? Their sole function of protecting the federation not only from current universe threats, but future threats as well?
Hence, how section 31 was allowed secret technology and free reign as their directive is to guarantee that the federation exists into the 31st century.
This would explain why the federation wanted section31 tech destroyed because not all their tech originated in the current century.
I'm always looking forward to your videos and you always deliver great material so yeah, CREATE MORE OF EVERYTHING 😱🤣 also I'm a bit curious Ris-anian vessels (from Risa)
I would like to see a temporal ship from section 31 wich the desing of the nimrod class or deimos class. Ships from the 25 century or 29 century wich are patrolling in the 23rd Century or even now at the 21 century, keeping an eye on everything that is happening at the earth to preserve the timeline. And if that is added could give a more pleausube reason as to why the section 31 had so advanced technology. But this is just an idea what do you guys think?
Is there a juggernaut class where it shaped like enterprise but with 2 or 3 times the weapons and borg shields and renenforced body armour and with slip stream drive and trans warp torpedoes or the enterprise d refit laser cannon or laser csnnons. Also with shuttles that made to fight and maybe defiant ships to help ij battle
I really like this design however I don’t like the huge hole in the saucer as it is just a waste of space but I like how similar this design is to the uss vengeance
It looks interesting, but am I the only one who looks at the design of the Nimrod-class and thinks; "it looks like a Prometheus and Vengeance had a baby." Assuming the reason for the cutout in the Nimrod is canon, at least that's better than the strange cutout the Vengeance had that left the bridge essentially exposed within the center of the saucer, but the "arrowhead" and quad-nacelle design looks incredibly similar to the Prometheus (only if it went back to 2250)
I see Section 31 as black opps intelligence agency... To make sure there is no wars to fight...
fear for section 31
Absolutely!
sehr gutes Video!
Danke!
It's pretty chic
I love the mysticism and Tal-Shiar-like organisation, however I wasn't a fan of Discovery's interpretation of it. Still this ship was a beauty
Personally, I always thought Section 31 made sense in Star Trek. There are a lot of Bashir types in Starfleet that would see the Federation fall before they would allow their morals to take a hit. Sloan said it perfectly when he told Bashir that Section 31 exists to protect the Federation from people like him that would put their sense of right and wrong over the lives of Federation citizens.
The Federation was so bad at making decisions that benefited the development of state of the art star ships, just imagine how many star fleet crew members and ships would of been saved if they used Section 31 technology on other vessels of the federation
I like S31. Only Utopia is a bit unrealistic and no fun at all but Star trek as gone a little to dark lately so im always up for SNW and Lower decks.
Honestly the use of attack drones and fighters is more un-Star Trek than the mere existence of Section 31. Star Trek was originally evocative of the age of exploration. It was about “give me a tall ship and a star to sail her by.” Those “tall ships” were cruisers braving the frontier, not air craft carriers maintaining a geopolitical order.
I get why some people object to Section 31, but it adds a deeply needed level of verisimilitude to the setting. It does not contradict Rodenberry’s vision of the future. It makes it more realistic. It doesn’t not invalidate the ideals of the Federation. It emphasizes why those ideals are so important.
Purge the herratic ranters
Absolutely! They don't deserve our time or effort!
Ok, ship looks cool I'll give it that. I figure they named it Nimrod so they get an advantage against anyone who only knows the name from Bugs Bunny. I have a head canon that all the big players in Trek have a bunch of "do not use unless everything has gone bad. No, worse than that" ships and tech, so sure I can see it.
S31 named it the Nimrod Class because in the classical sense, and perhaps with a sense of irony, Nimrod means A Skillful Hunter...
Isnt section 31 like the federation CIA?
I never understood the fascination with holes in the hull.
What's not to like about them?
That was an amazing video on the nimrod … although we know despite its own advanced technology, it’s only the Second-Most dangerous vessel the 2250’s Section 31 operated.
The Most Dangerous being the Shiva-Class … for an obvious reason … a Very Obvious reason.
You should do a breakdown on The Shiva, aka “The Swarm Ship” next.
Sorry you are incorrect... The Nimrod Class is ACTUALLY the most powerful starship class with in Section 31... The Shiva being the second...
The problem I have with Section 31 is that their tech is so drastically advanced compared to the rest of Starfleet. Its not just cutting edge compared to whats out in the fleet, its generations ahead. It makes it just feel so disconnected and alien instead of a branch of Starfleet that went rogue.
Another turning point, a fork stuck in the road
Time grabs you by the wrist, directs you where to go
So make the best of this test, and don't ask why
It's not a question, but a lesson learned in time
It's something unpredictable
But in the end, it's right
I hope you had the time of your life
So take the photographs and still frames in your mind
Hang it on a shelf in good health and good time
Tattoos of memories, and dead skin on trial
For what it's worth, it was worth all the while
It's something unpredictable
But in the end, it's right
I hope you had the time of your life
It's something unpredictable
But in the end, it's right
I hope you had the time of your life
It's something unpredictable
But in the end, it's right
I hope you had the time of your life
Uhmmmmm ok LOL
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics you might be too young for that reference
I thank you for the compliment, but Im probably older than you are :P I was just never really a Green Day fan :P
No comments yet... am I this early? Probably gonna try and grind for this ship in STO
Sorry what?
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics there were no comments when I first got here... unrelated... I wouldn't mind owning this ship in Star Trek online.
What really? :O
I know Section 31 is a hot button topic in Trek, but if I was given the keys to Star Trek. My vision for the organization is that they are a mix between the C.I.A. and the Church of Scientology.
They really named it Nimrod 😂. Does nimrod have a different meaning in the Star Trek universe?
S31 named it the Nimrod Class because in the classical sense, and perhaps with a sense of irony, Nimrod means A Skillful Hunter...
thanks for the info@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics
Let's not act like kids while we talk about this fictional spaceship...lol (Trekies never grow up, we just got older)
You know what you should have done at the ending fly off?
Have the nimrod change into another vessel.
Nahhhhh, Im happy ending the video with the ACTUAL starship Im talking about! You're more then welcome to make your own video though!
Section 31 is full Canon without being spoken by name before DS9. Two examples..... TOS episode "The Enterprise Incident" TNG Episode "The Pegasus". Just because they aren't mentioned by name, the very nature of those two episodes whisper Section 31. Who else would order those activities.
Okay, one, actually two more episodes..... "Chain of Command Part 1" & "Chain of Command Part 2".
Actually no... Just because something SEEMS like it could be Section 31, doesn't mean it secretly is! In the Enterprise Incident, Kirk is CLEAR that it was Starfleet... In Pegasus it is CLEAR it was Starfleet Intelligence, and same with Chain of Command... Section 31 doesn't operate in the light the way you're suggesting... They hide in the shadows and have NO connection to the missions THEY undertake! They certainly dont send a 60 year old Captain on mission pretending to be Starfleet! 🙄
FIRST!
Well TWENTIETH! But still, thanks for the support :)
(I realize the mythological background of the name of that class, but they probably really shoulda been more aware of geeky slang before naming anything that in a Star Trek show. :) ) (From the sporadic episodes of that part of Disco I was able to pull in over antenna, I kinda had no idea what the Section 31 tech was supposed to have come from (I guessed maybe it all depended on that Control AI and none of it worked without it or something.) Cool looking ship, actually. (Was kinda hard to get a good look at on screen. :) )
I think the irony of naming it such, mixed with the actual meaning of the name, is absolutely perfect! Besides, what makes you think that particular slang word is still used in the 23rd Century?
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I wouldn't necessarily think so, just maybe the writers should have expected audience snickers. :)
But this isnt about the writers, it's about the starship In Universe! :P
Let's not forget S31 is responsible for some 24th century tech, such as the combadge!
It was NOT responsible for any 24th Century tech, it merely developed the tech a century before Starfleet did!
what were they thinking naming it the nimrod class? lol
S31 named it the Nimrod Class because in the classical sense, and perhaps with a sense of irony, Nimrod means A Skillful Hunter...
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics where i come from it basically means idiot, lol
Ships are never named after slang words :P
For all the technological advantages of the Nimrod, its onscreen performance was quite unimpressive.
Really? Most think the exact opposite!
Going by what we saw in the Discovery S2 finale. Admittedly Discovery and Enterprise have plot armour, but how many Nimrods were there in that fleet?@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics
Going by what we saw in the Discovery S2 finale, yes again, most think the exact opposite!
Section 31 is canon because all goverments need an intel group no matter what they proclaim and they need people that can do the dirty work and protect those high ideals from outside enameies people to make the hard bloody choices that the rest of the federation couldnt make i know its sad but its a fact of life now and in the future
Well S31 is Canon because it appeared in at least 1 episode of Trek :P But I get what you meant ;) :P
okay but who named that ship. cuz they had to know what nimrod meant
This is what it means 🙄en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod_(ship)
You think they could have come up with a better name then Nimrod-class.
S31 named it the Nimrod Class because in the classical sense, and perhaps with a sense of irony, Nimrod means A Skillful Hunter...
Not in Prime Universe but in Discovery Universe - canon means nothing with three Star Trek Universes - Prime, Discovery, and Kelvin.
Sorry you are incorrect! There is NO such thing as the Discovery Universe... DSC takes place in the PRIME universe, as the only people who CAN make that call, the owners of Star Trek, have already told us that time and time again. You may not like it, but that's the facts. So you best make peace with it and you're also incorrect in saying Canon means nothing. It doesnt matter how many Universes there are, canon still exists and applies to each universe!
Doesn't make any sense.
First, why did you like your own comment? Pretty shady trying to make it look like you have support when you don't.
And Second, It makes absolute sense, which is why you're the only one saying anything like this out of countless comments! That says FAR more about you, than it does the ship! ;) Cya!