I studied Marxism while getting my degree in Economics. There I learned Marxism taught equity of outcome. In Moses 4:1 Satan says, “… Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor”. Satan was the original Marxist when he said, “I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost”. The concept of “no soul being lost” is known as “equity of outcome”. Equity of outcome is what God rejected in the pre-existence. Equity in outcome is the keystone of Marxism. Equity in outcome can only be achieved through the elimination of free agency.
The irony is that there isn’t equity of outcome in Marxism. Someone has to rule and make sure everyone else is equal via force. Satan was that person who would have raised himself above everyone else. That’s one of the biggest dangers of Marxism. The ruling elite become outside the law and become the de facto God.
Im from Ukraine When I was reading Book of Mormon for my first time in 1997 and said to missionary’s that there is prophecy about USSR they laugh at me
@@richardallen383 Yep, that is exactly what I saw when I studied Marxism! If people read the scriptures they would see it for what it is but sadly they don’t.
30ish years ago at WSU (Weber State) I decided to major in History (teaching) I saw a trend of Progressivism, and outright championing of Marxist ideals. It bugged me enough to want to expose it. Hundreds of hours of research, I figured it out. I was mocked mercilessly in classes. "Communism is OVER!" ('93-'98). That only made me louder. I wrote a few of my papers on it, including my Capstone/Thesis. My Russian History Professor, (A closet Conservative by her own admission) said my thesis was A grade work. The History Department Head threatened to fail me because of my topic. "I have never seen anything like this!" He was seething. I got 70% on the capstone. The saddest thing was watching the young members be brainwashed and totally embrace it. I am recently retired (High School Teacher). Throughout my career, most of my students could articulate what real Socialism/Marxism is, and why it is evil. Satan's plan on earth.
I had people in my ward say that their children say it is the way to usher in the law of consecration and help us progress towards the millennium of Christ’s rein on earth.
*_27:40_**_ "The discussion around Marxism is NOT politics. It is not a political discussion. I am not telling anyone who to vote for. It's a purely spiritual discussion. It is not about politics. It is about the soul. What does it do to your soul. What does it do to organizations."_* Exactly. It is important to be able to identify the Marxist mindset that is subtly ensconced in individuals, organizations and movements. *_"We must war against all prevailing ideas of religion, of the state, of country, of patriotism. The idea of God is the keynote of a perverted civilization. It must be destroyed." --Karl Marx, 1848_*
Greg! How about that Holland talk? Felt like he was saying quit with the teddy bear Jesus! Denying the justice will deny his mercy where repentance is found!
Wow, thanks for the feedback. That means a lot. My book is only about 180 pages because I wanted it to be accessible to most church members. But I think you can imagine the book could have been ten times that length.
Thank you again Brother. I see it happening, that creeping in Marxism in communities. Such a cheap and easy temptation to have free things or, “It’s free!” And people flock to whatever that free thing is. Reminds me of that scripture “I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it”. Always the temptation for free free free. Nothing is free, the journey is about building character, gaining experience. “That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth”… alright I’m off my soap box now.
I spent a lot of time reading books and then studying this topic. I was inspired by members claiming that the United Order is basically Marxism. A few years ago I wrote a paper comparing the two and I came to the conclusion that Marxism is a wolf in sheep's clothing when comparing to the United Order. The in fact are opposites. Just a few points to compare the differences. United Order: Marxism: - Voluntarily chose to live the Law of Concertation - Forced to live Communism by external force and power of the state - Spirit of United Order: Giving - Spirit of Communism: Taking - Believe in freedom to choose and make decisions for oneself - Restrict freedom and forced into decisions made for them - Believe in being righteous and morally clean (a requirement) - “Ends justify the means” no matter the laws or morals that need to be disregarded - Believe in changing the individual who then changes their environment (Inside Out) - Believe in changing the environment which will force the individual to change (Outside In) - If you leave/fall away the individual keeps their inheritance and is free to leave - If you leave/ try to fight communism you are severely punished - Believe in strengthening the Family as basic unit of society - Encourage the breakdown of the family and loyalty only to communist party - Promotes God and recognizes that all things come from God - Not all Communists are Atheists, but Communism strives to remove God and religion - Non-Political - Tool for political power both in theory and practice - Operates on principles of private ownership and individual management - Operates on principles of government ownership and management (includes deed of ownership); stewardship treated as private property (D&C 51:4) - Lord’s program for eliminating the inequalities and selfishness among men - Man’s program for eliminating the inequalities and selfishness among men
Best quote ever about Entitlements: "In response to the question asked by Dominic Guido of McKeesport, PA: 'Is everyone in the world entitled to have his or her basic needs met? If so, how would you achieve this? If not why not?' ... in Parade Magazine, Ask Marilyn, 12/31/95, Marilyn Vos Savant said, 'Entitled by what authority? No, I don't think we are. How can we live in freedom and maintain that we're entitled to anything that we can't get without the labor of others? Remember, if we're entitled to the labor of others, that makes slaves of those others.'" Marilyn Vos Savant, (IQ: 186-228) Ms. Savant is the smartest woman who has ever walked Earth and listed in the Guinness Book of World Records for five years under "Highest IQ."
Fantastic quote and explanation by Marilyn Vos Savant. I loved reading her column every Sunday in my youth. If she said that today, she would be immediately “cancelled” and investigated by the FBI.
I just ordered three copies of Dan's book: one for myself and two as gifts. This is information we all need to understand. I watched your last video on this topic several times and I will do the same with this one. Thank you, Greg, for helping us open our eyes!
So after Nylen's name was mentioned, I tried to seek out that specific talk, but found a video here on UA-cam instead, it was a round table convo basically and it was disturbing. They are saying that since women aren't ordained and preside over the congregation and sit with the bishopric on the stand, that it's causing women pain and traumas, and that we keep getting squashed into submission.... One lady (who didn't breathe when speaking) spoke of participating in baptisms and blessings with her husband. It just made me feel so sick for them inside. They want women to have the same authority as the priesthood holders and want the keys given to them. It's all for personal gain. But they kept saying that this is what Christ would want because he is in both his masculine and femininity. The scriptures teach us to deny ourselves and pick up our cross! This is for worldly gain and they are going to scare of any potential women having them believe that women don't have any authority in the church. So utterly sad. I am glad you brought this to our attention!
Excellent discussion Greg and Dan! “Come let us reason together” and distinguish the good from the evil within the “secular philosophies of men” mingled with scripture.
About ten years ago, I was the elder's quorum president in my ward, and in a session/discussion, I brought up the concept that the war in heaven continues on the earth. I was met with blank stares. What is even more mind blowing is that those who choose one side over another, whether is be an election, the American revolution, etc, and those who are fence sitters always, almost without exception divide into 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. So then how do you reconcile that there must needs be opposition in all things? It seems to me that all of this is by design, and the good and the bad are necessary somehow. After all, the serpent was the most cunning of the beasts of the field that God had created...
Interesting. In the book, I argue that in the future there will be a final division into two and then three. Marxism will divide the world into two warring sides, and the church will be separate from both of those.
I loved this discussion. I once tried to articulate my thoughts on this very topic in a journal entry but couldn’t quite put my thoughts into words the way I wanted it. This discussion was excellent. Thank you. I have ordered the book and can’t wait.
@@andrewwood6285 in that case Ill post my other finds Yuri bezmenov And also Alexandyr solzhenitzyns harvard address ‘a world split apart’ Some of the best most overlooked stuff you can find on the subject even today.
The commies came and went back in the 50''60s' when will these Mormons grow up? Reconstituting Skousen and ETB into new packaging to soothe the ignorant..Wake up and read your scriptures!
@@danellsworth9922I am trying to get an electronic version of the book. I have an iPhone and drive a lot. I have time to listen but not to read. My iPhone said the software didn’t support the kindle version. Any suggestions?
Look up, Ezra Taft Benson, Our Immediate Responsibilty. A talk given at BYU in 1966. 95 percent of members are not living up to his words. We must stand up and apeak out. It is our duty.
I discussed Pres. Benson in the intro and the conclusion of the book. My guess is that people see that he stopped mentioning communism as president of the church, and they assume that Marxism is somehow not a problem. Marxism is not the same as communism, and I think he continued to warn of Marxism.
@@danellsworth9922my lds friend who voted for Bernie sanders said that Benson was reprimanded for his views and words about communism/Marxism. I said because he was being political, not because he was wrong, and she said no, because he was wrong 🙄
@@natandjoec His activism caused tension from time to time, but he was not reprimanded, no. Some people claim that, and it’s always based on very sketchy evidence.
I studied Marxism as part of the curriculum while attending advisor school in the US Navy back in the early 70s before I went to Viet Nam to train their navy. Our instructor was a defector from North Korea and he definitely was a God fearing person, which was a big blessing for him.
*_36:00_**_ "You go to Rousseau and then up through Kant and then up through Hegel and then into Marx and Engels especially, you get the same thing over and over again, which is, we need to throw off the shackles of an order of sexuality. That's part of the liberation of a new man and a new woman. It is throwing off these shackles of bridling your passion, so to speak, putting up the guard rails of family and marriage and it's always there. These men, these philosophers, coming through that DNA, are all saying the same thing. That attack that you speak of with Hegel, that dialectic, is used against sexuality, it's used against the family. Queer theory is a product specifically of that DNA."_* Exactly.
I’ve pointed this out before in the comments of this channel before, and I know talk of Korihor rubs Greg the wrong way, but I’m going to say it again. Alma 30 could not be a better description of modern Marxism. It so clearly outlines the products of Marxist thinking that it is rather stunning and ought to be used in refuting Marxism in the Church all the time.
@@Serendipity3isme-zg7hy My understanding of why he doesn’t like talking about Korihor is that he thinks that because Korihor is an atheist, he and his story/thinking has very little bearing on the Church. He feels that the only threat that really matters in terms of BofM anti-Christs is Nehor.
I don't understand why Marxism is taught at BYU as a good thing. My daughter was totally against M. until she went to BYU. To her BYU is "God's university so she changed 100 degree to the left. My son in law got his degree at BYU and is teaching Marxism back East. The change in them is scary. We are the bad people now. They are giving, we are not. etc. They are still active and have leadership callings so we look even more in the wrong. The Church leaders let this go on at BYU stealing our children away to Satan. I would never have sent my daughter to BYU 8 years ago if I'd known. I'm not sure if the Apostles are unaware or apathetic or what?
BYU has turned a corner, but there is still a ways to go. I wrote this book to counter the teaching of Marxism, to help church members and leaders understand what it really is. I would like for BYU administrators to have the tools to recognize and warn of it very openly.
Excellent discussion. For additional information on the Woke Marxist connection I’d highly recommend viewing Dr James Lindsey’s address to a European Parliament (conservative group here on UA-cam).
"...but the problem becomes when you wrest the Scriptures and you turn them into something else..." (iniquity/inequity). Marxism twists language to make good words into bad and vise versa, in order to infiltrate, indoctrinate, and fool the masses. I've referred to this for many years as "Marxist Word Salad". When you are in tune with their "language", you become adept at recognizing the bait and switch immediately. Satan tries to co-opt every good and honorable thing that God created and twist it to his agenda. It is a cheap imitation but many fall for the lies wrapped up in flowery ideals and language. It truly is good vs evil, for the two ideologies and religions cannot exist side by side. Eventually, and we are five minutes from that point now, one will succeed and overtake the other or vise versa. As everyone likes to say, "We know who wins in the end" but in the meantime, souls are lost because they are blinded by the temptation of false "empathy" and "equity", "tolerance", and all the other Marxist buzzwords that fool young and old into following the great usurper. I'm glad you have written a book that might open the eyes of many before their souls are lost to this depraved ideology.
We do have marxist or communist tenants in our system already. Look at the graduated income tax system. Look at how private property is taxed. Even after you pay your home off. Just 2 examples.
@@f.l.bunker2052 Also Alma 10 and how corrupted the judges and lawyers were. Kinda what we are seeing today with the lawfare against a certain former president. “What? Judges are not corrupt! They would never issue rulings that went against the law and the Constitution. They would never conspire to throw an innocent person into jail.” Oh yes, yes they would and yes they do. Please read the Book of Mormon. It explains everything.
I hate it when Hollywood twists heroes into villains and villains into heroes. Like The Acolyte, Wicked, the movie Maleficent, etc. Hollywood loves to do this, laying a groundwork to view Satan as the hero like Marx.
2 Timothy Chapter 3 comes to mind. "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
Brother Greg , is there any chance We can talk the churches support of illegal immigration ? My ward is currently financially supporting several illegal immigrants that are technically on the records but have no interest in coming to church . Not only are our fast offerings supporting people coming from countries not facing any emergencies but We are being asked to give them furniture and cars etc . I can’t understand how the Church can have missionaries and temples in countries that are then “too dangerous “ to live in ? Why is the church supporting illegal immigration for economic reasons ? It has become a big topic where I live and wish the church would talk about their financial support of this situation. Would be nice to understand.
It is definitely the opposite of Marxism. Marxists redefine to no longer have any meaning, and reject any notion of remission/redemption. And Marxist movements impoverish and kill people, rather than bless them.
I’m attending BYU-I through Pathway Connect for their degree in Marriage and Family Studies. What I am realizing is a couple of names mentioned in this podcast, if I am correct, come from the vein of Psychology. What are your thoughts?
I’m lucky to be old enough and lots of life experience to see the indoctrination. The psychology industry needs to be more influenced by common sense thinking to be able to correct the ship. Thank you for all of your great content.
Erich Fromm was a Marxist psychologist, and he was actually pushed out of the Frankfurt School because he wasn't willing to lie. I have major disagreements with him on Marxism, obviously, but he did have some really good insights in psychology. I think the fact that he couldn't remain at the Frankfurt School reflects well on him. I wish I could go back in time and have lunch with him and congratulate him for his split with the Frankfurt School, then persuade him to drop Marxism... 😀
What does it mean in Alma 9:26 when it describes Jesus as the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace, equity, and truth,...? When you use the term equity in the Marxist way, i don't quite understand. I know they're different, but that this description of our Savior is correct and true. Can you help me understand the difference so i don't cringe when i read that term in the scriptures?
There is a divine definition of equity, and a Marxist definition of equity. Marxist definitions of terms are always twisted versions of the divine definitions.
Good question. One of the main reasons I wrote the book was so that people can name it. I do think BYU has turned a corner, but there are still a lot of people there who don't see the connection between things like CRT or queer theory, and Marxism. I hope the book can make it clear how these things are connected, and what I would like to see is the word "Marxism" being used more openly at all levels at BYU in order to shine a light on it there.
Recently on The Stick of Joseph they went over their John Dehlin interview and something I thought was interesting, and it's something that they pointed out as well, was that John ended up giving the very argument Lucifer did in premortality and while they didn't mention this in the episode, all I could think was that man doesn't even realize he's being taught by Lucifer and regurgitating the same things. That was not a conclusion he came to on his own and we're seeing the same things right here.
As my husband and I often say: "We have heard this plan before, we rejected it then and we reject it now. " We should be very prayerful about who we vote for in these Last Days. 🙏
Crazy how subtlety Satan works. Changing iniquities to inequity. Ironically iniquity creates inequality. So in one sense they are the synonyms but probably not the way implied.
I haven't read any of his analysis. I personally made the connection about 2 years ago in my own reading of the BoM. It probably sounds like a shocking claim to some people, but I think it holds up well.
Also, a lot of what you talk about goes over my head with particular terms... like, i don't understand what queer theory is and other different theories you often refer to, so when you say it's being taught in RS and EQ etc, i want to be aware and know how to refute it and testify of true principles. I wonder if the book you're discussing here would help me as an entry-level learner...
That is what it is meant to do. On a basic level, in most universities they teach social "theories" which are supposed to be ways of explaining how society works. But critical theory is different. Instead of trying to explain how society works, critical theory is about tearing down things that Marxist think are oppressive. In queer theory, they think the idea of "normal" gender and sexuality is oppressive, so they generate materials to attack the idea that anything can be considered "normal."
The Parable of the Talents illustrates the economy of God. They didn’t start with the same amount, which I believe was an intentional… illustrating how the world works: we don’t all have the same starting point. But the judgement isn’t based on how we started, but what we did with what we had. If the Savior wanted to install Marxism, he wouldn’t have told the parable this way.
Agreed. It's also true that Marxism isn't just about equal outcomes/possessions. As I explain in the book, at its root, Marxism is about destroying the world.
In Russian revolution, each village had to choose some family that was slightly more successful to de-colonize, i.e., brutally murder in cold blood. That is equivalent to "jumping in", "making you bones" in ganges/organized crime and Cain's murder of Able.
20 minutes in- Fascinating to me as lifelong member of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Gospel Doctrine, Seminary, RS teacher, etc) and a university instructor (Critical Thinking and Communicating, etc) listening to your characterization of critical thinking. Maybe I’ve been teaching it all wrong, as we spend total of one hour on Jurgen Habermas and every class in our ten standards of critical thinking- Fairness/completeness, accuracy/precision, depth/breadth, clarity/logic and relevance/significance. Am I an unwitting tool of Satan- Or is there more to this academic approach to problem-solving than you are offering? I’ll keep listening.., 🧐
Critical thinking is great. Wanton criticism (the ability to just say negative things about people and institutions) is not the same as critical thinking.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the " Gathering of Zion" as portrayed by Zion Media/ Chief Midegah and others. It sounds cool but in my opinion it is not doctrinally sound. I trust and value your take on this and know you had some interest in this because you had him on your show. Hoping you will speak about this again because it is growing and may be leading some off the covenant path. Appreciate the show and all you do in defense of Truth.👍
Great discussion!!! The adversary has always been about usurping and "redistributing" power. Marxism was never a political or economic issue. Politics and money were just two types of power that Marxists wanted to usurp. The church of marxism has a much more extensive liturgical calendar than the LDS church has.
A failure to learn about Satan's plan for man here on earth would be fatal to the full exercise of free agency. The reason for this lies in the fact that . . . free agency is the opportunity to choose between good and evil. To intelligently make such a choice one must understand the alternatives-both of them. To the extent one is ignorant of these alternatives, to that same extent he has not made a complete choice. Until a person understands Satan's plan, he can never be certain he does not believe in it and is not helping to carry it out. H. Verlan Andersen WHY WON’T OUR LEADERS SPEEK ABOUT THIS??!!!! I mean like you two just did!! It needs to happen so badly!!
The brethren are speaking to these very principles, but at a higher level. Agency, Pride, Covenants, Commandments, etc. Jesus at one point began speaking only in parables so only those with faith would understand. Imagine why 1/3 of our brothers and sisters followed Lucifer... I don't think Heavenly Father told them who to vote for. He does not mean for us to be commanded in all things, but teaches correct principles and leaves the choice in each of our hands. The brethren likewise never seem to get specific about political parties, or movements, even in the temple recommend questions. Think about it...
@@kensrobertson it’s a game of persuasion and we have the 2 great commandments which hang all the law and the prophets… but the Israelites (all of us) didn’t really understand so God had to spell it out for them via the 10 commandments. So was Pres Benson wrong to name names and spell it out? Are Dan and Greg wrong for spelling it out? So many are so ignorant to what they’re talking about. I don’t see how it would be a bad thing to show that Satan has his modern day korihors and nehors ie marx, Darwin, Freud, Dewey, Keynes and I would argue today’s demoncrat party. Yes the republicans aren’t much better but that’s because they act too much like the left. Neutrality is a tool of the devil!!!
I very much enjoyed and agreed with most of the conversation in this episode. However, one it to pick. Since Neylan McBaine was mentioned, I afterward went and listened to her Faith Matters Restore Conference talk. I found nothing Marxist about it.
It doesn't promote classical Marxism, no. But it definitely follows the Marxist formula of property, ideology, and systems of oppression. People who adopt her feminist framework end up on the Marxist covenant path of activism against the church.
A failure to learn about Satan's plan for man here on earth would be fatal to the full exercise of free agency. The reason for this lies in the fact that . . . free agency is the opportunity to choose between good and evil. To intelligently make such a choice one must understand the alternatives-both of them. To the extent one is ignorant of these alternatives, to that same extent he has not made a complete choice. Until a person understands Satan's plan, he can never be certain he does not believe in it and is not helping to carry it out. H. Verlan Andersen WHY WON’T OUR LEADERS SPEEK ABOUT THIS??!!!! I mean like you two just did!! It needs to happen so badly!! Ezra Taft Benson used to for sure.
The thesis Marxism is the Great and Abominable Church is anachronistic. The notion is also a category mistake as Marxism isn't a religion and therefore has no church component.
@@CwicShow Hello, I listened to the interview. It appears there is the conflating a bad idea (of which Marxism is a poster child) with the Great and Abominable Church. The position reads as ad hoc and forced. I see no indication from the interview either of the fallacies I note are addressed. To assert Marxism is the Great and Abominable Church is anachronistic. You state the underlying principles we call Marxism have always existed. There are two claims then being made. I'll note four standard Marxist concepts. Show me where these are part of the Great and Abominable Church and these underlying Marxist principles have always existed: -rejection of metaphysics -dialectical materialism -the abolition of private property -proletariat revolution Equating Marxism to the Great and Abominable Church is also a category mistake. Marxism is not a religion. Religion is never defined in the interview. It seems you conflate ideology and/or ideological capture with religion. That's an error. Not all beliefs or belief systems are ipso facto religions. Part and parcel of religion entails a soteriology. What is the soteriological component of Marxism? Utopianism will not do. Soteriological conceptualization necessarily entails metaphysics. Given Marxism is by definition atheistic this is a fundamental problem with the assertion. Note: the covenant path assertion is also problematic. From the interview this sounds like a strong claim, not simply a loose analogy. If that's correct, given covenant involves a contract between two parties (creature and Creator in the LDS case), who is the Marxist covenanting with?
@@brianthomassen2209The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil, as referred to in the Book of Mormon, is not a “church” as we know them today. It is a philosophy, a movement, a set of principles in/on the earth today that COULD be (and likely is) a political movement, a party, or any group that advocates for collectivism, the abolition of individual responsibility and private property and freedom.
Brother Greg , is there any chance We can talk the churches support of illegal immigration ? My ward is currently financially supporting several illegal immigrants that are technically on the records but have no interest in coming to church . Not only are our fast offerings supporting people coming from countries not facing any emergencies but We are being asked to give them furniture and cars etc . I can’t understand how the Church can have missionaries and temples in countries that are then “too dangerous “ to live in ? Why is the church supporting illegal immigration for economic reasons ? It has become a big topic where I live and wish the church would talk about their financial support of this situation. Would be nice to understand.
I studied Marxism while getting my degree in Economics. There I learned Marxism taught equity of outcome. In Moses 4:1 Satan says, “… Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor”. Satan was the original Marxist when he said, “I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost”. The concept of “no soul being lost” is known as “equity of outcome”. Equity of outcome is what God rejected in the pre-existence. Equity in outcome is the keystone of Marxism. Equity in outcome can only be achieved through the elimination of free agency.
Yep. What you are saying here sounds like chapter 9 of the book.
The irony is that there isn’t equity of outcome in Marxism. Someone has to rule and make sure everyone else is equal via force. Satan was that person who would have raised himself above everyone else. That’s one of the biggest dangers of Marxism. The ruling elite become outside the law and become the de facto God.
Well said!
Im from Ukraine When I was reading Book of Mormon for my first time in 1997 and said to missionary’s that there is prophecy about USSR they laugh at me
@@richardallen383 Yep, that is exactly what I saw when I studied Marxism! If people read the scriptures they would see it for what it is but sadly they don’t.
30ish years ago at WSU (Weber State) I decided to major in History (teaching) I saw a trend of Progressivism, and outright championing of Marxist ideals. It bugged me enough to want to expose it. Hundreds of hours of research, I figured it out. I was mocked mercilessly in classes. "Communism is OVER!" ('93-'98). That only made me louder. I wrote a few of my papers on it, including my Capstone/Thesis. My Russian History Professor, (A closet Conservative by her own admission) said my thesis was A grade work. The History Department Head threatened to fail me because of my topic. "I have never seen anything like this!" He was seething. I got 70% on the capstone. The saddest thing was watching the young members be brainwashed and totally embrace it. I am recently retired (High School Teacher). Throughout my career, most of my students could articulate what real Socialism/Marxism is, and why it is evil. Satan's plan on earth.
I had people in my ward say that their children say it is the way to usher in the law of consecration and help us progress towards the millennium of Christ’s rein on earth.
It's the counterfeit of the true covenant path?@@andrewwood6285
@@andrewwood6285 Oh goodness. That is bad.
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I have no words.
*_27:40_**_ "The discussion around Marxism is NOT politics. It is not a political discussion. I am not telling anyone who to vote for. It's a purely spiritual discussion. It is not about politics. It is about the soul. What does it do to your soul. What does it do to organizations."_*
Exactly. It is important to be able to identify the Marxist mindset that is subtly ensconced in individuals, organizations and movements.
*_"We must war against all prevailing ideas of religion, of the state, of country, of patriotism. The idea of God is the keynote of a perverted civilization. It must be destroyed." --Karl Marx, 1848_*
Thanks for posting these quotes. These things need to be known.
Greg! How about that Holland talk? Felt like he was saying quit with the teddy bear Jesus! Denying the justice will deny his mercy where repentance is found!
I'm doing an episode on that talk.
Yay!!! Looking forward to it!! @@CwicShow
@@CwicShow nice! I thought oh Greg is going to love this talk!!!
@@CwicShowohh I can’t wait!
It wasn't the first of his talks where he did that, either.
I've studied and considered Marxism for over 30 years. This is one of the best discussions on the topic I have ever heard. Thank you brothers!
Wow, thanks for the feedback. That means a lot. My book is only about 180 pages because I wanted it to be accessible to most church members. But I think you can imagine the book could have been ten times that length.
I immediately think of “Hope and Change” without any definition and how politically desirable that slogan was.
Thank you again Brother. I see it happening, that creeping in Marxism in communities. Such a cheap and easy temptation to have free things or, “It’s free!” And people flock to whatever that free thing is. Reminds me of that scripture “I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it”. Always the temptation for free free free. Nothing is free, the journey is about building character, gaining experience. “That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth”… alright I’m off my soap box now.
I spent a lot of time reading books and then studying this topic. I was inspired by members claiming that the United Order is basically Marxism. A few years ago I wrote a paper comparing the two and I came to the conclusion that Marxism is a wolf in sheep's clothing when comparing to the United Order. The in fact are opposites. Just a few points to compare the differences.
United Order: Marxism:
- Voluntarily chose to live the Law of Concertation - Forced to live Communism by external force and power of the state
- Spirit of United Order: Giving - Spirit of Communism: Taking
- Believe in freedom to choose and make decisions for oneself - Restrict freedom and forced into decisions made for them
- Believe in being righteous and morally clean (a requirement) - “Ends justify the means” no matter the laws or morals that need to be disregarded
- Believe in changing the individual who then changes their environment (Inside Out) - Believe in changing the environment which will force the individual to change (Outside In)
- If you leave/fall away the individual keeps their inheritance and is free to leave - If you leave/ try to fight communism you are severely punished
- Believe in strengthening the Family as basic unit of society - Encourage the breakdown of the family and loyalty only to communist party
- Promotes God and recognizes that all things come from God - Not all Communists are Atheists, but Communism strives to remove God and religion
- Non-Political - Tool for political power both in theory and practice
- Operates on principles of private ownership and individual management - Operates on principles of government ownership and management
(includes deed of ownership); stewardship treated as private property (D&C 51:4)
- Lord’s program for eliminating the inequalities and selfishness among men - Man’s program for eliminating the inequalities and selfishness among men
I explored that in the book as well. I get tired of people claiming the two are the same thing.
Yep. Force. That's the difference.
@@natandjoecbut that force is mostly peaceful!
@@andrewwood6285 lol! Love it
@@andrewwood6285😂😂
I’m glad the men of the church are finally starting to be men again like they were during my father’s time. They didn’t pussyfoot around anything.
We need to call these things what they are. Using the right word brings a lot of clarity.
Best quote ever about Entitlements: "In response to the question asked by Dominic Guido of McKeesport, PA: 'Is everyone in the world entitled to have his or her basic needs met? If so, how would you achieve this? If not why not?' ... in Parade Magazine, Ask Marilyn, 12/31/95, Marilyn Vos Savant said, 'Entitled by what authority? No, I don't think we are. How can we live in freedom and maintain that we're entitled to anything that we can't get without the labor of others? Remember, if we're entitled to the labor of others, that makes slaves of those others.'"
Marilyn Vos Savant, (IQ: 186-228)
Ms. Savant is the smartest woman who has ever walked Earth and listed in the Guinness Book of World Records for five years under "Highest IQ."
Fantastic quote and explanation by Marilyn Vos Savant. I loved reading her column every Sunday in my youth. If she said that today, she would be immediately “cancelled” and investigated by the FBI.
To: @@Serendipity3isme-zg7hy | | |
... and I miss the Sunday comics, too.
I just ordered three copies of Dan's book: one for myself and two as gifts. This is information we all need to understand. I watched your last video on this topic several times and I will do the same with this one. Thank you, Greg, for helping us open our eyes!
Thank you for doing that, my friend. I hope this can be a pass-along resource among church members.
So after Nylen's name was mentioned, I tried to seek out that specific talk, but found a video here on UA-cam instead, it was a round table convo basically and it was disturbing. They are saying that since women aren't ordained and preside over the congregation and sit with the bishopric on the stand, that it's causing women pain and traumas, and that we keep getting squashed into submission.... One lady (who didn't breathe when speaking) spoke of participating in baptisms and blessings with her husband. It just made me feel so sick for them inside. They want women to have the same authority as the priesthood holders and want the keys given to them. It's all for personal gain. But they kept saying that this is what Christ would want because he is in both his masculine and femininity. The scriptures teach us to deny ourselves and pick up our cross! This is for worldly gain and they are going to scare of any potential women having them believe that women don't have any authority in the church. So utterly sad. I am glad you brought this to our attention!
Excellent discussion Greg and Dan! “Come let us reason together” and distinguish the good from the evil within the “secular philosophies of men” mingled with scripture.
About ten years ago, I was the elder's quorum president in my ward, and in a session/discussion, I brought up the concept that the war in heaven continues on the earth. I was met with blank stares. What is even more mind blowing is that those who choose one side over another, whether is be an election, the American revolution, etc, and those who are fence sitters always, almost without exception divide into 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. So then how do you reconcile that there must needs be opposition in all things? It seems to me that all of this is by design, and the good and the bad are necessary somehow. After all, the serpent was the most cunning of the beasts of the field that God had created...
Interesting. In the book, I argue that in the future there will be a final division into two and then three. Marxism will divide the world into two warring sides, and the church will be separate from both of those.
Without opposition it would always be 3/3’s.
I loved this discussion. I once tried to articulate my thoughts on this very topic in a journal entry but couldn’t quite put my thoughts into words the way I wanted it. This discussion was excellent. Thank you. I have ordered the book and can’t wait.
Fantastic- I hope you find the book enlightening.
i would recommend anyone here to read Cleon Skousen's book, "The Naked Communist" still today, it is one of the best expose's on communism.
Done that! And had each of my kids read it also. Now, I’ll go to work on the grandkids
@@andrewwood6285 in that case
Ill post my other finds
Yuri bezmenov
And also
Alexandyr solzhenitzyns harvard address ‘a world split apart’
Some of the best most overlooked stuff you can find on the subject even today.
My grandfather worked with Skousen in the FBI. I hope both of them are proud of my book.
Skousen's book, "The Naked Capitalist" goes into the matter even more deeply.
The commies came and went back in the 50''60s' when will these Mormons grow up? Reconstituting Skousen and ETB into new packaging to soothe the ignorant..Wake up and read your scriptures!
Correction: "When all you have is a hammer (and sickle), everything looks like a nail."
Love it!
😅 Well done.
Excellent! Just ordered the book. Thank you both for bringing this awareness, over and over 🙏
Thank you for ordering. I hope you find it informative!
@@danellsworth9922I am trying to get an electronic version of the book. I have an iPhone and drive a lot. I have time to listen but not to read. My iPhone said the software didn’t support the kindle version. Any suggestions?
Look up, Ezra Taft Benson, Our Immediate Responsibilty. A talk given at BYU in 1966. 95 percent of members are not living up to his words. We must stand up and apeak out. It is our duty.
I discussed Pres. Benson in the intro and the conclusion of the book. My guess is that people see that he stopped mentioning communism as president of the church, and they assume that Marxism is somehow not a problem. Marxism is not the same as communism, and I think he continued to warn of Marxism.
@@danellsworth9922 Yes of course! My post was for those who need a wake up call in general.
@@danellsworth9922my lds friend who voted for Bernie sanders said that Benson was reprimanded for his views and words about communism/Marxism. I said because he was being political, not because he was wrong, and she said no, because he was wrong 🙄
@@natandjoec His activism caused tension from time to time, but he was not reprimanded, no. Some people claim that, and it’s always based on very sketchy evidence.
@@danellsworth9922 I agree! But that's how she justified being a member of the church and supporting socialism. I told her it was wrong.
I studied Marxism as part of the curriculum while attending advisor school in the US Navy back in the early 70s before I went to Viet Nam to train their navy. Our instructor was a defector from North Korea and he definitely was a God fearing person, which was a big blessing for him.
That is definitely someone with firsthand experience of the fruits of Marxism.
@@danellsworth9922 Indeed.
*_36:00_**_ "You go to Rousseau and then up through Kant and then up through Hegel and then into Marx and Engels especially, you get the same thing over and over again, which is, we need to throw off the shackles of an order of sexuality. That's part of the liberation of a new man and a new woman. It is throwing off these shackles of bridling your passion, so to speak, putting up the guard rails of family and marriage and it's always there. These men, these philosophers, coming through that DNA, are all saying the same thing. That attack that you speak of with Hegel, that dialectic, is used against sexuality, it's used against the family. Queer theory is a product specifically of that DNA."_*
Exactly.
Great comment. Faith, Freedom and Family -- always under attack.
I’ve pointed this out before in the comments of this channel before, and I know talk of Korihor rubs Greg the wrong way, but I’m going to say it again. Alma 30 could not be a better description of modern Marxism. It so clearly outlines the products of Marxist thinking that it is rather stunning and ought to be used in refuting Marxism in the Church all the time.
I’ll be reading it now. There is no question the Book of Mormon was written for our day.
Interesting! I will read that chalet with that thought in mind. Why doesn’t Greg like to discuss Korihor?
@@Serendipity3isme-zg7hy My understanding of why he doesn’t like talking about Korihor is that he thinks that because Korihor is an atheist, he and his story/thinking has very little bearing on the Church. He feels that the only threat that really matters in terms of BofM anti-Christs is Nehor.
I don't understand why Marxism is taught at BYU as a good thing. My daughter was totally against M. until she went to BYU. To her BYU is "God's university so she changed 100 degree to the left. My son in law got his degree at BYU and is teaching Marxism back East. The change in them is scary. We are the bad people now. They are giving, we are not. etc. They are still active and have leadership callings so we look even more in the wrong. The Church leaders let this go on at BYU stealing our children away to Satan. I would never have sent my daughter to BYU 8 years ago if I'd known. I'm not sure if the Apostles are unaware or apathetic or what?
BYU has turned a corner, but there is still a ways to go. I wrote this book to counter the teaching of Marxism, to help church members and leaders understand what it really is. I would like for BYU administrators to have the tools to recognize and warn of it very openly.
oh gosh, that is terrifying!!
Excellent discussion. For additional information on the Woke Marxist connection I’d highly recommend viewing Dr James Lindsey’s address to a European Parliament (conservative group here on UA-cam).
"...but the problem becomes when you wrest the Scriptures and you turn them into something else..." (iniquity/inequity). Marxism twists language to make good words into bad and vise versa, in order to infiltrate, indoctrinate, and fool the masses. I've referred to this for many years as "Marxist Word Salad". When you are in tune with their "language", you become adept at recognizing the bait and switch immediately. Satan tries to co-opt every good and honorable thing that God created and twist it to his agenda. It is a cheap imitation but many fall for the lies wrapped up in flowery ideals and language. It truly is good vs evil, for the two ideologies and religions cannot exist side by side. Eventually, and we are five minutes from that point now, one will succeed and overtake the other or vise versa. As everyone likes to say, "We know who wins in the end" but in the meantime, souls are lost because they are blinded by the temptation of false "empathy" and "equity", "tolerance", and all the other Marxist buzzwords that fool young and old into following the great usurper. I'm glad you have written a book that might open the eyes of many before their souls are lost to this depraved ideology.
That's a key to Marxist indoctrination. It's the Motte and Bailey form of argumentation.
excellent!
Thanks!
You're welcome, and thank you!
We do have marxist or communist tenants in our system already.
Look at the graduated income tax system.
Look at how private property is taxed. Even after you pay your home off.
Just 2 examples.
Once i really learned about Marxism and how they currently function, it reminded me of the gadianton robbers.
I'm glad you see that connection. In the book, I explain how the Gadianton robbers were Maoist, which is a really awful flavor of Marxism.
@danellsworth9922 yeah it's terrible. Thanks for the effort you put into the book. I'll definitely have to check it out.
Read Helaman 7:4 - 5 and see if that does not exactly compare to the United States government today.
@@f.l.bunker2052 will do
@@f.l.bunker2052 Also Alma 10 and how corrupted the judges and lawyers were. Kinda what we are seeing today with the lawfare against a certain former president.
“What? Judges are not corrupt! They would never issue rulings that went against the law and the Constitution. They would never conspire to throw an innocent person into jail.”
Oh yes, yes they would and yes they do. Please read the Book of Mormon. It explains everything.
Excellent video. We need to be ready to recognize and call out anti-Christ views, even within our own church walls.
I hate it when Hollywood twists heroes into villains and villains into heroes. Like The Acolyte, Wicked, the movie Maleficent, etc. Hollywood loves to do this, laying a groundwork to view Satan as the hero like Marx.
2 Timothy Chapter 3 comes to mind.
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
Brother Greg , is there any chance We can talk the churches support of illegal immigration ? My ward is currently financially supporting several illegal immigrants that are technically on the records but have no interest in coming to church . Not only are our fast offerings supporting people coming from countries not facing any emergencies but We are being asked to give them furniture and cars etc . I can’t understand how the Church can have missionaries and temples in countries that are then “too dangerous “ to live in ? Why is the church supporting illegal immigration for economic reasons ? It has become a big topic where I live and wish the church would talk about their financial support of this situation. Would be nice to understand.
Perhaps a session on Mosiah 4:26 and how it applies to Marxist thought (or not).
It is definitely the opposite of Marxism. Marxists redefine to no longer have any meaning, and reject any notion of remission/redemption. And Marxist movements impoverish and kill people, rather than bless them.
I also just ordered the book and I’ll send a copy to one of my friends too. Thanks for an excellent discussion.
Fantastic, thanks for spreading the word.
Thank you, so important !!!
I’m attending BYU-I through Pathway Connect for their degree in Marriage and Family Studies. What I am realizing is a couple of names mentioned in this podcast, if I am correct, come from the vein of Psychology. What are your thoughts?
The discipline of psychology and therapy has greatly been taken over by these ideologies.
I’m lucky to be old enough and lots of life experience to see the indoctrination. The psychology industry needs to be more influenced by common sense thinking to be able to correct the ship. Thank you for all of your great content.
Erich Fromm was a Marxist psychologist, and he was actually pushed out of the Frankfurt School because he wasn't willing to lie. I have major disagreements with him on Marxism, obviously, but he did have some really good insights in psychology. I think the fact that he couldn't remain at the Frankfurt School reflects well on him. I wish I could go back in time and have lunch with him and congratulate him for his split with the Frankfurt School, then persuade him to drop Marxism... 😀
@@CwicShowActually, they are rooted in those professions, which attempts to address spiritual maladies without reference to the Spiritual remedies.
What does it mean in Alma 9:26 when it describes Jesus as the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace, equity, and truth,...? When you use the term equity in the Marxist way, i don't quite understand. I know they're different, but that this description of our Savior is correct and true. Can you help me understand the difference so i don't cringe when i read that term in the scriptures?
There is a divine definition of equity, and a Marxist definition of equity. Marxist definitions of terms are always twisted versions of the divine definitions.
equity as used in the BOM, going off of the 1828 Websters dictionary, means "justice". Equity as it is used and understood today is " equal outcome"
Thank you❤@@stephaniewilliamson4611
Amazing topic Greg.
Why is it being taught at BYU?
Good question. One of the main reasons I wrote the book was so that people can name it. I do think BYU has turned a corner, but there are still a lot of people there who don't see the connection between things like CRT or queer theory, and Marxism. I hope the book can make it clear how these things are connected, and what I would like to see is the word "Marxism" being used more openly at all levels at BYU in order to shine a light on it there.
Because the Gadiantons have infiltrated the non-science/engineering colleges at BYU.
Tares shall spring up among the wheat. They won’t be separated (yet).
Can you link to the book- where I can buy it
It's on the description page
Will there be an audio book available?
Soon. I'm working on that. Thanks for asking!
Great discussion.
Recently on The Stick of Joseph they went over their John Dehlin interview and something I thought was interesting, and it's something that they pointed out as well, was that John ended up giving the very argument Lucifer did in premortality and while they didn't mention this in the episode, all I could think was that man doesn't even realize he's being taught by Lucifer and regurgitating the same things. That was not a conclusion he came to on his own and we're seeing the same things right here.
Agreed.
I love Dan!
Dan, if you read this, I served my mission in northern VA. Aren’t you in that area?
I used to be. Now we're in Charlottesville.
..always interesting to see an LDS - albeit a member's, perspective.
As my husband and I often say: "We have heard this plan before, we rejected it then and we reject it now. " We should be very prayerful about who we vote for in these Last Days. 🙏
Thanks.
Thank you for providing another excellent resource for clarifying the truth.
I hope you find it helpful!
Crazy how subtlety Satan works. Changing iniquities to inequity. Ironically iniquity creates inequality. So in one sense they are the synonyms but probably not the way implied.
Yep. Spot on.
H Verlan Anderson made this argument several decades ago. His book entitled The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil is a great read.
I haven't read any of his analysis. I personally made the connection about 2 years ago in my own reading of the BoM. It probably sounds like a shocking claim to some people, but I think it holds up well.
Also, a lot of what you talk about goes over my head with particular terms... like, i don't understand what queer theory is and other different theories you often refer to, so when you say it's being taught in RS and EQ etc, i want to be aware and know how to refute it and testify of true principles. I wonder if the book you're discussing here would help me as an entry-level learner...
That is what it is meant to do. On a basic level, in most universities they teach social "theories" which are supposed to be ways of explaining how society works. But critical theory is different. Instead of trying to explain how society works, critical theory is about tearing down things that Marxist think are oppressive. In queer theory, they think the idea of "normal" gender and sexuality is oppressive, so they generate materials to attack the idea that anything can be considered "normal."
What is the full name of the person you mentioned, it sounded like, Russo?
Not sure. What was the time in the video?
Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Thank you. That’s who I was thinking it may be.
Read The Naked Communist by Cleon Skousen
old news old mindset
Dan is the freakin man! What a great mind he has
Thank you friend!
The Parable of the Talents illustrates the economy of God. They didn’t start with the same amount, which I believe was an intentional… illustrating how the world works: we don’t all have the same starting point. But the judgement isn’t based on how we started, but what we did with what we had.
If the Savior wanted to install Marxism, he wouldn’t have told the parable this way.
Agreed. It's also true that Marxism isn't just about equal outcomes/possessions. As I explain in the book, at its root, Marxism is about destroying the world.
I wonder how much of Marxism is related to Secret Combinations. I will definitely take that class someday.🙂
It’s in the syllabus of ‘History of the world 101’ it will be offered in the 1st year of the new millennium.
That's something I explore in the book.
In Russian revolution, each village had to choose some family that was slightly more successful to de-colonize, i.e., brutally murder in cold blood. That is equivalent to "jumping in", "making you bones" in ganges/organized crime and Cain's murder of Able.
Thank you for writing the book to share with many of us, and I know the book will be a big fact about telling a big liar!
Sounds like the war in heaven.
Absolutely correct.
It's the counterfeit of the covenant path!
That's exactly right. It's what I explained in the book.
20 minutes in-
Fascinating to me as lifelong member of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Gospel Doctrine, Seminary, RS teacher, etc) and a university instructor (Critical Thinking and Communicating, etc) listening to your characterization of critical thinking. Maybe I’ve been teaching it all wrong, as we spend total of one hour on Jurgen Habermas and every class in our ten standards of critical thinking-
Fairness/completeness, accuracy/precision, depth/breadth, clarity/logic and relevance/significance.
Am I an unwitting tool of Satan-
Or is there more to this academic approach to problem-solving than you are offering?
I’ll keep listening..,
🧐
Critical thinking is great. Wanton criticism (the ability to just say negative things about people and institutions) is not the same as critical thinking.
Some members even leave the church over this.
Sadly, that is true. Chapter 7 of my book is called "Marxism and deconversion".
Would love to hear your thoughts on the " Gathering of Zion" as portrayed by Zion Media/ Chief Midegah and others. It sounds cool but in my opinion it is not doctrinally sound. I trust and value your take on this and know you had some interest in this because you had him on your show. Hoping you will speak about this again because it is growing and may be leading some off the covenant path.
Appreciate the show and all you do in defense of Truth.👍
Great discussion!!! The adversary has always been about usurping and "redistributing" power. Marxism was never a political or economic issue. Politics and money were just two types of power that Marxists wanted to usurp. The church of marxism has a much more extensive liturgical calendar than the LDS church has.
"Marxism was never a political or economic issue."
Exactly! That's the shift in thinking I hope to achieve with the book.
Sounds like MAGA and Trump!
@@kelleyturner6584 Nope. Not a political discussion at all. Marxism is a gospel discussion.
@@kelleyturner6584 Marxism has infested almost all aspects of modern culture.
A failure to learn about Satan's plan for man here on earth would be fatal to the full exercise of free agency. The reason for this lies in the fact that . . . free agency is the opportunity to choose between good and evil. To intelligently make such a choice one must understand the alternatives-both of them. To the extent one is ignorant of these alternatives, to that same extent he has not made a complete choice. Until a person understands Satan's plan, he can never be certain he does not believe in it and is not helping to carry it out.
H. Verlan Andersen
WHY WON’T OUR LEADERS SPEEK ABOUT THIS??!!!! I mean like you two just did!! It needs to happen so badly!!
The brethren are speaking to these very principles, but at a higher level. Agency, Pride, Covenants, Commandments, etc. Jesus at one point began speaking only in parables so only those with faith would understand. Imagine why 1/3 of our brothers and sisters followed Lucifer... I don't think Heavenly Father told them who to vote for. He does not mean for us to be commanded in all things, but teaches correct principles and leaves the choice in each of our hands. The brethren likewise never seem to get specific about political parties, or movements, even in the temple recommend questions. Think about it...
@@kensrobertson it’s a game of persuasion and we have the 2 great commandments which hang all the law and the prophets… but the Israelites (all of us) didn’t really understand so God had to spell it out for them via the 10 commandments. So was Pres Benson wrong to name names and spell it out? Are Dan and Greg wrong for spelling it out? So many are so ignorant to what they’re talking about. I don’t see how it would be a bad thing to show that Satan has his modern day korihors and nehors ie marx, Darwin, Freud, Dewey, Keynes and I would argue today’s demoncrat party. Yes the republicans aren’t much better but that’s because they act too much like the left. Neutrality is a tool of the devil!!!
I very much enjoyed and agreed with most of the conversation in this episode. However, one it to pick. Since Neylan McBaine was mentioned, I afterward went and listened to her Faith Matters Restore Conference talk. I found nothing Marxist about it.
It doesn't promote classical Marxism, no. But it definitely follows the Marxist formula of property, ideology, and systems of oppression. People who adopt her feminist framework end up on the Marxist covenant path of activism against the church.
Satan used scripture, though twisting it to his own purpose.
Yep. Chapter 8 of the book is called "Marxism and Scripture."
The G&AC attatches itself to any entity that weilds influence, corrupts it and changes horses as often as it requires .
Now do research into the dark origins of Karl Marx...
That was a pen name, by the way.
That's chapter 1 of the book.
How do you have a Marxist Professor, and not having everyone in class receiving the same grade? If not, than actually not a Marxist Professor.
Grades given based on how much you agree with the professor.
@@CwicShowlol.
I think Marx was not really a Marxist- he got his money from his rich industrialist dad.
A failure to learn about Satan's plan for man here on earth would be fatal to the full exercise of free agency. The reason for this lies in the fact that . . . free agency is the opportunity to choose between good and evil. To intelligently make such a choice one must understand the alternatives-both of them. To the extent one is ignorant of these alternatives, to that same extent he has not made a complete choice. Until a person understands Satan's plan, he can never be certain he does not believe in it and is not helping to carry it out.
H. Verlan Andersen
WHY WON’T OUR LEADERS SPEEK ABOUT THIS??!!!! I mean like you two just did!! It needs to happen so badly!! Ezra Taft Benson used to for sure.
"to you and ME", not "to you and I". Sorry
Again i can't understand why you don't believe what Nephi said the great and Abominable Church is. When will more scripture be given? Maybe never
That’s not the correct interpretation of “the great and abominable church/great spacious building”
Now that you expressed your opinion, then what is the correct interpretation?
THE GREAT AND ABOMINABLE CHURCH OF THE DEVIL
by
H. VERLAN ANDERSEN
HVA was a friend of Ezra Taft Benson. The summary: GACOD is a political entity.
Philosophies of men mingled scripture.
Marx = Nehor
The thesis Marxism is the Great and Abominable Church is anachronistic. The notion is also a category mistake as Marxism isn't a religion and therefore has no church component.
You may not have listened to the episode. The argument is that the underlying principles of what we call Marxism have always existed.
We go over those notions in the video, and I explore them in depth in the book.
@@CwicShow Hello,
I listened to the interview. It appears there is the conflating a bad idea (of which Marxism is a poster child) with the Great and Abominable Church. The position reads as ad hoc and forced. I see no indication from the interview either of the fallacies I note are addressed. To assert Marxism is the Great and Abominable Church is anachronistic. You state the underlying principles we call Marxism have always existed. There are two claims then being made. I'll note four standard Marxist concepts. Show me where these are part of the Great and Abominable Church and these underlying Marxist principles have always existed:
-rejection of metaphysics
-dialectical materialism
-the abolition of private property
-proletariat revolution
Equating Marxism to the Great and Abominable Church is also a category mistake. Marxism is not a religion. Religion is never defined in the interview. It seems you conflate ideology and/or ideological capture with religion. That's an error. Not all beliefs or belief systems are ipso facto religions. Part and parcel of religion entails a soteriology. What is the soteriological component of Marxism? Utopianism will not do. Soteriological conceptualization necessarily entails metaphysics. Given Marxism is by definition atheistic this is a fundamental problem with the assertion.
Note: the covenant path assertion is also problematic. From the interview this sounds like a strong claim, not simply a loose analogy. If that's correct, given covenant involves a contract between two parties (creature and Creator in the LDS case), who is the Marxist covenanting with?
@@danellsworth9922 Hello,
Note my reply to the earlier comment to the UA-cam channel host.
@@brianthomassen2209The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil, as referred to in the Book of Mormon, is not a “church” as we know them today. It is a philosophy, a movement, a set of principles in/on the earth today that COULD be (and likely is) a political movement, a party, or any group that advocates for collectivism, the abolition of individual responsibility and private property and freedom.
Brother Greg , is there any chance We can talk the churches support of illegal immigration ? My ward is currently financially supporting several illegal immigrants that are technically on the records but have no interest in coming to church . Not only are our fast offerings supporting people coming from countries not facing any emergencies but We are being asked to give them furniture and cars etc . I can’t understand how the Church can have missionaries and temples in countries that are then “too dangerous “ to live in ? Why is the church supporting illegal immigration for economic reasons ? It has become a big topic where I live and wish the church would talk about their financial support of this situation. Would be nice to understand.