Hi guys! I just realised the links in the description suddenly stopped being clickable even though I went through the whole verification process, so for anyone interested in the sources - here they are: docs.google.com/document/d/1QfqZSST63Hmz1vqY9ZxFaEExRhoXUbqQkDzh3Pu0Wo8/edit?usp=drive_link
the whole “if you say it’s a phase you’re a poser and always were!” thing reminds me of a quote i found on tumblr once, “people say ‘phase’ like impermanence means insignificance. show me a permanent state of the self.”
@@vstro_i oh tumblr has like a masterpost of deep quotes thats part of their thing super deep stuff comes out of nowhere (usually obama in someones dream)
It's more so "if you didn't keep any of the values you're a poser and always were" Sure, maybe your clothing or makeup style changes as you age but if you were truly part of whatever community, with it truly being your identity at some point, you will absolutely keep atleast some of the values from that community and not just discard them all If you just discard them all then clearly you were never actually interested in those values to begin with and were instead only interested in the aesthetics
Hi! I made the song Monster Energy Gun and loved this video. I made the song when I was 14 in August 2020, so it’s funny you bring up how teens tied their identity to monster energy to associate themselves with a seemingly alternative scene more than actually liking the drink. I didn’t like monster energy. In fact, I never drank it until after the song hit its first 100,000 listens or so. I just liked the perception of rebellion and fitting in. I wasn’t someone looking to profit from the outside. I was a kid looking to fit in from the inside. Keep making videos, and thanks for using my song!! If content ID gives you any issues for it (or if you wanna ever use another one of my songs in the future), let me know, and I’ll take any kind of claim off it!
hi! thank you for the nice comment and for the additional context - the song kinda fits even better than I originally thought :) also you made this at the age of FOURTEEN?? absolutely insane
i love that song almost as much as i love the drinks, lol!! awesome to see you here, and even more awesome that you’re so chill-!! if you decide to keep making music, i def think you can go far. whatever you do, you’ll do awesome! thanks for making such an iconic song
I fortunately managed to survive that trouble by happening to be a facepainter artist/kind of tight budgeted, and used the water activated eyeliner cakes years before the market caught on. $15 eyeliner cake and it has barely made a dent after 6 months of regular and even heavier use on some more extreme makeup looks, and doesn't dry out/spill because you just spray it lightly each time you need it Mostly too because I really wanted to be a white eyeliner girlie in 2015, and wasn't going to justify $15 AUD plus international shipping for literally 2ml of the one eyeliner known for actually being opaque.
As we age, heavy eyeliner only ages you more…if it’s truly in your heart, sticking with your subculture, even if everyone else disappears, is the true testament of if you are real or not. This is how it’s always been. I got into new wave in the seventies, punk rock eighties and now scooterist/skingirl since the late eighties and I’m still “Keeping The Faith”. You do evolve at times, but if it’s for real, it’s always there.
I have been a goth since the 2000s, I spent a long time until covid being "normal" but then rediscovered my love for goth fashion and music, I support alt kids and baby bats but I don't think it's good to use an aesthetic for clout, on the other hand if it wasn't for covid I might not have discovered people through instagram and youtube and tiktok that inspired me to be more authentic and dress goth and not care about what anyone thinks
I’m not that integrated into the online goth scene so I can’t speak on that. Ive always preferred the local “irl” scene. From one goth to another, I wanted to ask you if you’ve seen the shift in the community? I’m not sure if it is truly because of the internet bc while goth never “died” in the 2000s to 2020, a lot of people say it did and credit the pandemic for the revival. I’ve been in the goth scene since 2013. I’ve seen a shift in the uh….”flavor”??? Of goth. The people are different online now. There’s not much of the individualism that goth stands on that can be found on strictly online goth spaces. There’s more debate about subgenres, more discourse about fashion, and overall a higher amount of “goth police” haha. It’s like everyone is trying to out goth one another. I feel like the shift went from letting the music and philosophy guide your own individually crafted style to having to check off boxes to fit into the subculture. Baby bats are being thrown to the wolves lol. Have you noticed this in strictly online goth spaces? I just wanted your perspective since it was something that you lived through as well AND have experience with the online goth community
yes, I think the whole trend also did a lot to normalise subcultures/alternative ways of self-presentation among people who would normally not come in contact with them :)
I think the subculture has changed and there's more of a distinction between teens and older goths in their influences, less hate too from what I've seen compared to back when I first came out, it's more commercialised and cool I guess? It used to be just something you'd see online but I see more people out in public embracing alternative fashion trends even if it's different from what it once was and more mainstream
@@Cyauuuyeah been into goth since 2008-ish and I noticed that people are much more rigid about what bands are allowed to be talked about on forums (or at least on Reddit, which I've been frequenting more since Covid) and I'm hearing the goth vs. gothic distinction more and more often. I definitely understand that there needs to be more boundaries as a result of Alt TikTok and TikTok reducing everything to an ephemeral aesthetic or slapping -core at the end of everything and calling Deftones goth, but the policing and baby bats needing constant affirmation to avoid being "cringe" is much more annoying nowadays lol.
@@amandaford8730 I’m on R/Goth too and I definitely see the conversations on there about the philosophies, music, and miscellaneous things. I feel like on there, it’s needed bc I think when we were younger, things were just goth simply bc they weren’t anything else. They were undeniably goth. No outside things or people coming into the scene trying to make it into something it’s not. So I see what you’re saying when you bring up the fact that goth on like TikTok or other platforms is being co-opted thus emphasizing the need for goths in those spaces to be concrete about what’s goth and what’s not. I understand now. I think it was initially mind boggling to me because in physical goth spaces in “irl”, I don’t see or hear any of these conversations happening. I wondered why it was strictly online. Like what did I miss?? hahaha But yessss the policing of baby bats is actually pretty wild. Half the time, it’s OTHER baby bats! It’s just so weird to see this side of the community. I remember browsing a few “goth” instagram pages not too long ago and seeing the amount of pure hostility was truly abhorrent. It’s so sad
i feel like its only really harmful if someone has an alt phase and leaves it if they become a bigot after. alternative subcultures are often safeplaces for people of color and queer people. They are meant to exist for marginalized groups so I feel like co-opting that as an aesthetic only to get bored and be a bigot is pretty fucked up. We can’t ignore that alt people can also be bigots though. (in that case these alt people arent truly alt)
i mean yeah. not just by poc or queer people but also disabled people, and the mentally ill. Goth people tend to have a variety of mental health struggles. also a lot of these cultures were created by and for working class people. they always have been for marginal people.
I have yet to watch this but as someone who’s been part of the punk / diy anarcho / post punk scene for a long time (my older sis started taking me to shows when I was 11) and something that was really missed from TikTok ‘alt’ culture was the fact that Gatekeeping serves a major function in underground communities : to keep cops and narcs out. Calling people poseurs has a function. I don’t want tourists in my scene.
oh yeah, the poser discourse i mention in the video is not the type you’re talking about, since you can only really say “yeah fair enough” to that haha
I'm one of the "older alternative" people who has never been on tiktok ect. But even I've become more "basic" throughout the years. For a very simple reason: I'm tired of being noticed in public. It's very sad bc I wish I could dress however I want and no one would try to talk to me, stare, shout, all that stuff. But I can't. And I'm just tired. I don't want to talk to strangers every time I go out. I don't want conflict or even compliments, I just want to blend in and go about my day. Society won I guess! haha. I'll never take out my piercings tho even if my teeth fall out.
Ugh literally so true. Just because I dress obnoxious doesn’t mean I feel like having a full blown conversation with a random stranger with a thousand questions 😭 Can’t I just VIBE in PEACE???
i'm a goth who doesn't dress goth because i have too much anxiety, i do want to start going to alt nights and all that but there's none of that where i live. maybe one day.
@@LilFeralGangrelhiii! the way i got over (some) of my anxiety around ppl is to just hang out with my more extroverted friends EDIT: and their friends as well*. idk what it did ig i got more comfy and i started feeling a bit better about being myself in public!! it took a while to get used to it (like months lol), and i still get anxious, but it def helped :3
I live in a city where it’s not gonna make you stand out but me being black and dressing “alternative” got me a lot of looks and I definitely stuck out. I also kinda gave up that look because I feel uncomfortable when I want to truly dress how I feel which kinda sucks, but yeah society won..
I'm so sad... I miss this era and looked up to a lot of creators during this for fashion inspo (and for gender envy/inspo reasons too) and now it feels so nostalgic to me...
im a punk guy and i have been for 6 years now and i remember when the "2020 alt era" rolled around i was apart of it for a while, i left because of how toxic it turned out to be and the fact that there was really no substance to be honest besides the video filters and aesthetics and so i went back to the punk subculture. I feel like the problem is that the community is very social-media based more than actual real world lifestyles and issues BUT it did have a nice community towards trans and other lgbtq+ people (speaking from a trans guy perspective) also very underrated video for the quality of it.
The subculture was commodified by an algorithm that solely exists to create revenue for the platform. Think of it as an all consuming blob that takes something, absorbs it until it can't be taken back, and the figurative "bones" are spit out. It sucks because any genuine humanity it had gets squeezed out and it makes the subculture/concept more difficult to enjoy or enter either because the concept itself has become so muddled or by just becoming expensive.
thank you for the nice words :) yes, it‘s very social media-centered which i think will probably be the case for newly emerging subcultures, i‘m interested to see if future online subcultures would translate into offline
@@raultrashlord4404THIS! thanks for articulating this clearly :) i‘m thinking of making on that topic since it‘s very interesting and I was trying to focus on the social/identity aspects in this one
Phases are important steps in life. There is no shame in something only being a phase, it gives you valuable lessons and sometimes even life longs friends.
love this vid! I was like 12 when the “alt” era on TikTok began, and was already naturally in a stage of my life where I was questioning my identity. I never dressed fully alt because like I said I was 12 and had conservative parents lmao, but it definitely influenced a lot of things about me, and while I regret being on TikTok during that period of my life, I don’t regret that phase! This sounds incredibly corny but it did inspire me break out of the idea that I had to dress exactly the way everyone else was to be accepted. It was always very strange to me to see how the “real” alternative people would praise the idea of rebelling and being different, but when a subculture came around that didn’t completely fit into the ones they’d already created they put it down. I don’t see how the 2020 alt phases kids went through (or are still in) are any different from the 2010s emo phases that are now looked upon with nostalgia. People were just upset about it cause they’re scared of new things 🤷♀️
I also suppose some people might have a (subconscious in some cases) fear of actually being seen as the "PoSer" which contributes to them being less accepting of things they're not familiar with :)
hi☆ im a "tiktok alt" person i'm writing this while watching the video, and i want to share my experience and opinion basically, before 2020, i rlly liked decora kei and weeb subcultures, nightcore etc already! but since i was very, very socially awkward i didn’t do anything about it: i dressed basic, even if my beliefs and taste was not mainstream. as 2020 rolled around and i was locked in, i took this oportunity of "invisibility" to start dressing in black, with lots of chains and kandi bracelets, listening to hyperpop and stuff of the sort as 2022 rolled around and quarantine was nearing its end, i continued to dress the same way and felt rlly disappointed watching other people leave the alt tiktok subculture... i still dress alt: it's different from how i dressed back then, but not because i'm less alt, but because i purchased even more acessories and look even "more alt" it angers and upsets me to see people saying "tiktok alts" are not truly alt, because, yes, a bunch of people dropped out of it, but it doesn't mean everything was fake. also, yes, the stuff the alt tiktok community likes is not the same as stuff that other subcultures enjoy, but everytime there's a new subculture being formed, theyre called posers and basic. punks called emos that, and then emos called scene people that. basically, i think it is a subculture, and that even though a lot of it is gone, i still enjoy myself and i dont care! (my makeup isnt, and was never, extreme in any way: i rely mostly on clothing and acessories. but if you wanna see my style, i sometimes post stuff out of cosplay on my insta. redmars.cos)
When I was a kid, I would always admire alternative people, but I never had a "phase". When tiktok started getting alternative, that was the inspiration that finally pushed me to do it. So, for me, if it was a phase, it hasn't ended yet. I'm now 24 and finding the courage to be creative and dress how I like has led me to make a lot of great friends, feel more confident, and have a lot more in fun regular life. It's actually really confusing to me looking back, how I never had an alternative phase as a child. One of my role models was Mindy from Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, both my parents are metalheads, I also love listening to punk and metal music, and I'm neurodivergent and prone to anxiety and depression. It's really weird to me when I see people on tiktok cringe about this period of time, because they were in high school. I understand, because I definitely cringe at who I was in high school (Hetalia fan) but, for me I was finishing up university when this "trend" started, so it definitely shaped my identity and who I am right now. So by them "cringing" at themselves from back then, sometimes it feels like they're cringing at me from now. 😅
thank goodness I found a video on this topic, I saw "alt tiktok" being slandered on twitter and really wanted to know but I ain't looking into that myself
I only started dressing alt when I finished Highschool and moved out. In that environment it was impossible for me to express myself or even experiment with my appearance. COVID gave young people the opportunity to spend time exploring alternative styles without judgment. Because this was now common practice, new and more unusual styles became popular, it seems natural to me that, when eventually going back to their usual environment a lot of people couldn’t deal with an “attention attracting” unusual style anymore, thus it became unpopular again. All this happens subtly and partly on a subconscious level, suddenly some feel uncomfortable outside, suddenly it’s less worn, suddenly it’s not popular anymore and disappears
YEEESSS!! Being at home during COVID was huuuge to just being able to try stuff out, plus everyone was on tiktok because it was easy to connect with people online, and the age a lot of us hit during COVID meant we were able to just try stuff (esp music/style subcultures that had been popular with teens in the past anyway) I think it was just a good 'formula' for a trend like that I convinced my mom to let me dye my hair for the first time because I wasn't in school lol Tiktok definitely got me into what I like now, but it was more like a gateway. Once everything went back to in person/normal and the trend was 'over' I got bothered by people in public/at school and it wore me out, and I tried to look more 'normal' for like,, maybe a year before i gave up 💀 That being said I have absolutely been back to my weirdness. Looking more 'normal' is definitely easier, but it doesn't make you as happy as doing something you actually like does 👍👍 I think the same happened for the people that tried it when it was trendy and didn't like it, just in reverse I think for a lot of us the whole 'tiktok alt' thing got us into what we like now
woah this is your first video? You obviously put in a lot of work and it shows! The pacing is good, the point is constructed well, the jokes are fun and the editing is good. I'm really curious to see what you do in a few months :D
People in general just tend to wash out the extremes of their style as they get older, thats just how it works. When you're young, you dont have to have a job, which gives you all this free time to find new underground artists, explore styles, go to lots of shows, ect. But as you get older, you dont have the free time or the energy to do that anymore (which sucks, but) and so you'll dress less extreme, not be as in touch with underground new music, ect.
i feel like all my friends who were "alt" at the height of the subculture's fame look back at it in mixed ways. when we moved on from that phase of our lives we treated our past so poorly, but as time passed our petty hatred for a community who had accepted us just sort of faded. i think everyone should watch this video cause its super informative!!! just because we aren't in that group anymore doesn't mean we need to be embarrassed by it!!!!
Woah it’s been 4 years since alt TikTok first emerged, crazy to think that those kids are 18 now, I was 12 in 2020 and am 16 now, I finally have the courage to dress alternative and am goth but in 2020 I wanted to be an alt kid sooo bad
I think one big mistake that a lot of people make when discussing subculture and people who are older is not taking into account that a lot of older punks/goths/emos etc. still listen to the music and even go to events; they’re just not dressed up all the time. Because of this, you might not see them in the “wild” unless you’re at the same show. I think our culture likes to force us all into neat little boxes, and if you’re not a particular thing *all* the time 24/7, then people assume you’re just… not that thing. I also think that culturally we expect the youth to be more rebellious by default, and in that way being alternative as a teenager is seen as - ironically - very normal. People don’t even bother looking around for the subcultural “elders” because they assume they just don’t exist. Even if they don’t dress the same, a lot of times the ideas/politics are still there, since there’s a lot overlap between subcultures and marginalized groups - people who are considered outcasts anyways.
i think it’s also extremely important for people to remember that THIS WAS THE PANDEMIC. everything had to be online, and the content that was being consumed was mostly in the form of videos. everything was visual, which makes sense as to why music came second and looks came first. it didnt really matter what kind of music you liked to film a silly little video of your outfit with a sound that everyone was already using,,
I feel this is the same reason why influencers get inked up then regret it, it's for social validation. As opposed to someone who just wants a tattoo regardless of other people's opinions. I'm tatted up but I don't really care what people in person or online think. I'm Goth and I don't care if it's trendy for someone to dress like me without any knowledge of Darkwave or Goth Rock because they thought the way we dress was cool. I never did things out of spite I just like what I like. And at thirty-eight years of age I still really don't care what people think lol. My only advice would be to do what makes you happy. Don't do things to appease strangers for social validation. That comes from accepting yourself.
I was late to the fanbase but still very obsessed regardless. Idk, they have this real "making a jaunty song about my existential crisis" energy and I love it.
saving this to watch later, but the sentence "instigate fights between people who don't actually know each other" is just *chef's kiss*. like there's something there, like this one phrase has broader implications for social media use in general.
its weird how i never really was alt in that way but i got heavily influenced by the style and all that jazz. Like i was (and am) a queer teenager, specifically nonbinary, and most of the nonbinary people i saw around both online and irl were some form of tiktok alt, and even now i get influenced by the eye makeup and clothing choices from that time of internet “cringe”
tiktok was actually fun back then and it was the last time i felt any solidarity with people my age, alot of things seemed like satire too like some of the hyperpop songs and stuff lol.
woah didn’t expect noize mc in the end 😭 great vid! love the smooth transition from “alright here’s an ESSAY,” to “it actually isn’t that deep”. exactly how science works and i’m not joking
hi, i happen to experience the exact opposite of what is discussed. i have the ideolagy and love punk music without any of the aesthetics. to the contrary of the "alt posers", i always felt that the looks come at odds with how i want to present myself visually, which leads to some weird comments like " youre too basic to be punk" . idk if this is a commen thing but i would love to see a video explaining how an idiology is gatekept due to aethetics. awesome vid
hi! yeah this happens, but i’ve mostly seen it online since nobody at shows/generally in subcultural spaces irl really cares, especially if they’re familiar with the subculture :) but at the same time i’d say the certain look is for sure expected by a lot of people, to the point where my friend who doesn’t dress that alternative introduces herself as “i’m the one who doesn’t look alternative” - which kind of sucks (the fact that she has to give that disclaimer)
Take it from someone very old school, the plainest people were the most punk rock! The more peacocky they were, the more suspicious. The more outrageous, the dumber and more annoying they became and left quickly.
Honestly I loved the era, I would’ve never found alternative fashion, non mainstream music, etc if it wasn’t for 2020-2021 .. I never posted myself for the most part but I do have some of the clothing and a few photos saved. I don’t think I would be the same person without who I was in 2020/2021 - which is kinda crazy to me tbh
yessss, i wasnt alt bc of fear of my familys opinion, so i just cutted my hair and that simple thing kind of shaped me to who i am now, because that was the very first step to be what i wanted to be, i now have a hairstyle and a "style" that i just like to think as my deep personal likeness without a gender normative or stereotypical ideal to be. I think my 2021 version of me would be so proud of what i am now and that fills me with happiness, also id like to add that 2020 2021 made a lot of people, including me, to get to know that there wasnt just what we have been told, that there was a lot more to dress, to look and to be, which i think is kinda cool, yk?(srry 4 my bad english, im not a native speaker i hope i was able to make myself clear :)))
This is a great video. I have observed and studied poser behaviour (from the subculture of metal) and took on a stance based on Freudian and Jungian psychology, but this essay is really important as it goes into the configuring factors of identity. As for "this is why we're not taken seriously" and "aging out" (the term I would choose is grow out), or better said, why most studies are conducted with young people, at least currently it is mostly due to the amount of media that exists, the user public of social media and user public of massive communication technology; but the issue of teenagers posing as being part of a subculture has almost always existed. It's a great thing you brought up capitalism as in the USA (I haven't come yet to the underlying cause but it is evident that it is structural and societal) each and every time it happens with the population of disenfranchised white teenagers (heavy metal in the 80s, grunge in the 90s, nu metal from mid-90s to mid-2000s, emo pop punk in the 2000s, and onward); Gringolandia's racial dynamics, which have become cultural and are necessarily social, make black and hispanic disenfranchised people turn to different things (already knowing alternative cultures are just a few of many things to turn to). However, the psychological leads, now talking about anyone in the world, are simple, seeing as at that age the sense of belonging and search for self are at their peak. The teenager sees himself as an outcast (he doesn't need to be excluded for an actual reason, be it in whichever society it takes place, he just needs to see himself as it), having an essential part of his identity challenged, which is his belonging in the parent culture, therefore he turns to a mass that is ironically a community of outcasts. Being that he's a teenager, he still plays a lot into a childish archtype; the mass let's him apeace his feeling of vulnerability while at the same time boosting his sense of invincibility. He makes surface aspects of the subculture into his identity, or better said for this theory, his self, not for the sake of adding but for replacing what was lost in his exclusion, making effectively a false self. It may be false but it is still part of the self, so when he is challenged again, this time for his actual participation in the subculture, he has the natural response, aggressive, for he fears that his true self may be revealed. It's very convoluted what happens between his conscious and unconscious at this point, but parting from the assumption that his false self is then broken, he begins a reconstruction between the false and true, this part being called now an alienated self. In a gross simplification, we can see it as a double false self, not in the sense that it's a double negation, which would make it true, but in the one that it serves a replacement for the replacemenr, preventing his false self from being revealed. So yes, he will indulge in a more complex version of the same behaviour. He may turn to parent culture and call it "just a phase", but he may just as easily dive deeper in the subculture in an effort, not to be part of it, but to not be a poser.
hi! thanks for the well thought out comment :) your approach is close to some takes i’ve seen in relation to punk - namely in “L. A.'s "White Minority": Punk and the Contradictions of Self-Marginalization” by Traber and “White Riot: Punk Rock and the Politics of Race” by Spooner, both go into detail about self-marginalization and assuming a marginalized identity while not being maginalized. i think you’ll enjoy them both, afaik the second one can be found on the internet archive
@@shashanotsasha oh v excited! also i hope this isnt coming off weird lmao bc i'm asking this based off of ur name and accent alone, but are u from eastern europe by any chance ?
I was 18-19 when the tiktok alt style came, I've been interested in alternative fashions like emo, grunge, tumblr fashion and e-girl since ~ age 12. Seeing the tiktok kids have fun with some kind of child of scene, emo, j-k-fashion made me so inspired to re-explore. I was at an age where I wanted to live that youth free life - no school, no job, just trying to live for a bit and explore the world and myself. But I was trapped inside at home. This style let me feel that freedom for a bit. I'm way more dark and gloomy now but I'll always love (and miss) those LED lights and the way I would dress up and do my make up, stay up all night eating ramen and drawing while listening to music. Those times were not what I had always dreamed of, but I'm so connected to that time none the less and will always feel nostalgia towards that look and aesthetic. People who shit on the tiktok Alt style were imo just people who had been desensitised from alternative people by being on instagram and not tumblr during the 2010s.
My music taste has always been mainly alternative. Rock, punk, indie, post punk. Thats what inspired the way i dressed personally. Since i was a little kid id be wearing studed belts and the biggest boots i could find, and it just evolved from there. I didnt even consider myself alt or goth or punk, people put me in that box bc of my music, opinions and look. When the alt thing blew up on tiktok im not going to lie i thought it was stupid. Im autistic, i dont understand people who do things purely for the sake of trends or attention, it makes literally 0 sense to me. Ive never looked at my peers and thought 'wow i want to copy them so that i can look cool', never. I never even thought about it. Growing up alternative i was used to getting negativity all the time, so for people to take it on as a trend was super fucking weird. It really did put me off. Alt became this 1 universal 'look' rather than the many diverse things that make up the whole group of alternative people, music and styles. People got their inspiration from the tiktoks, not from art, culture or music bc they love those things. That sucked. It took the meaning away from alternative when they copied us to the point of mqking it mainstream. It cant be alternative if everyone and their dog is 'alternative' thats literally oxymoronic. Anyway since then, i realised that who cares? I look way less alternative than i used to, but in a way that makes me look more alternative again. I dress for sensory issues and wear whats comfy and thats still somehoe viewed as me being 'quirky' bc im not following trends. We make up trends, follow them, and get pissed at others for doing the same as us. Fashion, clothing, etc shouldnt be this thing that puts you into a box. I believe that everyone should be wearing whatever the fuck they feel comfortable in or gorgeous in. If you love goth fashion but hate typical goth music? Who cares! Goth is such a broad spectrum of culture, music and fashion. Sometimes thats how a new Goth is born. Sometimes you need to try different things to find yourself and you should not be shamed for that. Its normal to go through many different fashion eras, music eras or art eras before you find the things that speak to you the absolute most. If you never try or never experience then how will you know? I get mixed feelings but as i get older i get more frustrated with the boxed in nature of fashion and trends. Ones sense of style should be a journey of self discovery. You should feel free to be inspired by whatever you want and to dress whatever way you want. I think thats so important. Fashion for me was a segway into art and creation. I used to make clothes out of scraps, or pieces id got from thrift stores, technically they have 0 trend to fit into but they were my pieces and my expressions of myself.
i dont go here, i am a 20yo hippie, but my parents were (still are today on age 47 and 50) those early 2000 linking park -evanescence - bring me the horizon emo-ish punk-ish (blablabla you get the picture). and its always funny when i can keep up with my alt friends on singing (and sometimes even showing them more underground bands), they call me an honorary former color picket girl. i have to fight for my life claiming i was never one to new people. i have defaulted to having a picture of me in kindergarden with a pink dress hugging my green-liberty-spikes haired dad for a fathers day card to shut people up.
I was sooo surprised when I checked ur channel and saw that this is ur only video so far!! Wonderful work, can't wait for more videos to put on while I'm goin about my life!! :)
the 2020 tiktok alt scene definitely got me into dressing more alternative even tho i had been engaging with emo content years beforehand. however, the actual dressing up part didn't last long because my life fundamentally changed so much, to the point where i just didn't have the energy for it because i was so busy. however now that things have calmed down i find myself gravitating towards a more alternative look again. not just for the style, but to feel that sense of freedom in non-conformity and belonging in a subculture again. i've come to adore the gothic subculture so much within the past year, especially the music and literature. Its more so working on building my wardrobe up now, and having the confidence to dress how i want to again.
Holy crap this as a first video? The ✨️q u a l i t y✨️ I was a wannabe scene/emo kid back in 2007-12 (parents never let me go hard since we were poor). Then "Tumblrina" 2013-15. I guess I'm still "alt" in the most basic way possible (band tee, hoodie, distressed jeans, couple necklaces), but its simply because I no longer have the mental energy to do elaborate eye looks or layering, etc. I just want to wake up and go on with my day lmao
i started listening to punk and dressing different a couple months before the pandemic hit because i’d been wanting to for about a year before then and my friends at the time encouraged me to. my parents are in the scene so i got to go to shows with them. i liked it, it felt like a whole new world that only i really knew about and it really helped with my confidence. when alt tiktok became a trend i became even more confident and started going all out with my makeup and self expression. i did whatever i wanted without caring what others thought and it felt great. my whole life i had never fit in but for once, i was one of the cool ones. i felt powerful. i made new friends who were similar to me and some of them i lost but the rest i grew together with. even if i’ve fallen out of touch with the subculture and am doing other things instead these days, i’ll always look back on this time fondly and i even sort of miss it, especially the confidence i had. for the first time in my life i was completely unashamed of myself, for better or for worse. i’m grateful for it. and i’m grateful that it really made me practice chunky eyeliner, because no matter how much my look changes i’m taking chunky eyeliner to the grave. and i still like going to shows :)
Your parents are punk rockers or goths? My kiddo went to a reggae show at 6 weeks near our apartment, Circle Jerks at 6 months (band loved her!), Ska, punk, psychobilly, reggae shows and even scooter rallies ever since. She did wear earplugs, of course. She appreciates all of it, but has her own style. She’s autistic, too, so already socially awkward anyhow.
I think “subculture” and “aesthetics” are VERY distinct tho… and there’s definitely impact from the daily “aesthetic” change TikTok is promoting I’d argue that’s promoting subculture death, as it’s no longer viewed as “that deep” and I think that’s a problem You interviewed someone that clearly has respect for the alt subculture and in many ways was a part of it - politically, she said she’s queer herself as well; altho I’m disappointed you didn’t touch on the music aspect at all, like she mentioned she listened to “alt music” but that was it. I was curious to know what she considers “alt music” and what she listens to today and if she ever goes back to the music she listened to during her “alt phase” I feel like when having this discourse and when people express their frustrations with posers, it’s not necessarily directed at this girl. It’s more so directed at people that dress the part but don’t play the part, in other words act as if they’re alternative but don’t support anti-capitalist movements for example and are not lgbtq+ allies etc. I think that’s the real problem. Cuz personally I’ve encountered plenty “alt” kids during the covid lockdowns that were very clearly posers bc even tho they dressed the part, they still hung out w homophobic sexist assholes that didn’t give 2 shits about what any oppressed community had to say. It’s a huge loss u didn’t touch on that at all.
hi! this is a very good point and I didn't go into detail about politics associated with alternative subcultures and communities since I was thinking about making it into a whole other video (especially if you go into detail and bring up the history and contradictions within different scenes, literally wrote a 20 page paper on it this semester haha) since I was trying to focus on this specific one :)
as much as i cringe at my tiktok alt phase (and believe me, i do) it helped me discover so many great artists and i eventually became invested in the goth subculture. anyway good vid!
Привет! Я была подписана на тебя несколько лет назад (в 2019-2020) в Инстаграме и когда смотрела видео, сперва не могла понять, почему ты кажешься такой знакомой, а потом, когда ты сказала, что из России, осознала, что знаю тебя по инсте. Спасибо за крутую работу и отличный рисерч. Здорово, что ты вышла на нишу видеоэссе
Lol I always liked how not being normal became normal during 2020. TikTok fashion trends were in their infancy as the app was getting more popular and E-girl/E-boys were outside making tiktoks in the empty streets lol
As a deathrocker/goth i dislike how many tiktok influencers reduced Goth to different 80s and 90s fashion styles and not what the community was built around: goth music, deathrock, dark wave, and different forms of post-punk music. I find that the way people talk about subcultures today is reductionist and steeped in consumerist language, to be alt is to buy different kinds of products or having certain "looks" and not about the community you are a part of. Moreover it doesn't really care to understand the past because this form of alternative "lifestyle" concerns itself with mass appeal and approachability. It's almost as if tiktok editions of punk/goth or what have you are just a range of products that were committee designed by online communities themselves which does not fit the spirit alt lifestyles. Please understand, I'm not against new people exploring or becoming part of the subculture they like. But please understand that these are things people care about, goth culture has been a boon to my mental health. These should be respected, and part of respecting them is learning. By all means explore, learn, and hopefully enjoy. But don't turn it into something it isn't. It's more then fashion.
i wouldn’t personally put the full blame on people seen as the design of the app and the algorithm are literally there to make you stay longer and see more ads, and it has been shown to push down more serious content while at the same time promoting the “flashy” parts and drama
@@shashanotsasha yeah that's why i said design committee by online committees bit, i think the way modern social media just reduces all complexity? i dunno it's definitely some thing i think a lot about but any coherent explanations seem to be hard to come up with
@@LilFeralGangrel i’m thinking about making a video about this, but one aspect is that before widespread social media you would interact with communities and subcultures offline and then it would translate into online or vice versa, whereas today these two are more separate and the first point of contact would be online
i’m a goth, baby bat really i’m still just getting into the subculture, and the 2020 alt scene is what got me into alternative fashion !! i look back on that era fondly, even if my outfits weren’t alternative in the slightest and quite questionable at the best of times, and appreciate it for being the gateway into me becoming who i am now. i’m far less scared to go out in less conventional clothing and makeup, even if it doesn’t completely fit the traditional goth image people have. i don’t, however, like tiktok as a means of discovering subcultures. it promotes consumerism and overconsumption, as well as a desire to perfectly ‘fit’ into a singular aesthetic. As said before, i don’t perfectly fit into the trad goth style, yet i’m still a goth as i hold the beliefs and music taste, and i know that’s okay ! it’s not a purely style-based subculture - the sort of thing tiktok promotes. it waters down any alternative subculture and curates an ecosystem of gatekeeping and elitism, which is what the 2020 alt era felt like at times. it was just clothes and makeup, putting forth the idea you need to look alternative to be alternative. brilliant video, so glad you included some mother mother x]
The old alternative scene was putting together your own style, either thrifting or raiding grandma’s closet and styling it cool. Store bought and already made was actually frowned upon and made you look like mommy bought your clothes and you were cheesy. People used to just make people cut off their boots or rip your fancy shirt if you didn’t pass the sniff test. That’s what I came up in back in the eighties and nineties.
@@kimberlyvespa yeah i get all of my clothes second hand !! i hated how there was a sort of pressure to buy a whole new wardrobe off of the likes of shein, just go to charity shops or vinted or something if you need something online. it’s so much cheaper, too !!
Remember the cultural and political context surrounding TikTok? In the USA, former President Donald Trump labeled it as an 'evil brainwashing platform' due to its Chinese origin. Despite this, many users protested by actively engaging with TikTok, making them “alternative” simply by embracing and loving the platform. The internet also gravitates towards unique and unusual characters (explaining why “emo” “scene” and any extremist/maximalist fashion has been popular online)
hi! i‘m not from the us so my timeline can be a little blurry, but didn‘t the whole scandal with trump threatening to ban it happen around 2021? so like after the alt thing blew up. correct me if i‘m wrong :)
@@shashanotsasha Back in July 2020, there was talk about banning TikTok in the U.S. by Trump. However, *in 2021* , Joe Biden stepped in, signing an executive order to lift the ban proposed by the Trump Administration.
honestly i don’t even know how that app influenced me to get things in that style, i was honestly weird at the time so i guess it makes sense.. but i was at my worst when all of this happened, i don’t use that app anymore but that phase was incredibly detrimental..
I really didn't/dont like the "aesthetic" thing teens are doing now i feel it will lead to identity issues more than kids already have. As an alt in my 20s i never really paid attention to the tiktok alt cause i knew it was a phase. I feel only angst and rage at the world is what they had in common then just went along with fashion and barely music. But we also forget that alt culture just loves hating lol. Alt turned its back on the cure to green day. Anyone can be called a poser in this subculture.
I was emo growing up (age 10~17) and when i graduated high school in 2018 i started dressing “normal” to prepare for the “normal” adult world,,,,and then 2020 happened and I was like “fuck dressing in blouses and light jeans, this shit sucks, go back to form 🗣️” The pandemic killed my “normal phase” and re-sparked my passion for alternative culture
For me when I was figuring out I was queer in highschool and cutting my hair super short I think definitely drove me into those groups nd before gay marriage was legalised it was like the emos were always a place u could be yourself
I miss my style from 2021 it’s just that I had to stop wearing so much eyeliner because my skin around my eyes ended up becoming really irritated due to all the eyeliner
Okay, good points sister. Now i’m waiting for the video about Gosuslugi’s alt-girls movement, i hope you’ll find this topic interesting, cause i think you have a lot to say about it! Great vid btw
I was a teenager when tumblr was THE website, and it made a big contribution to me becoming who I am :) I agree that it's similar, but I do think tumblr was more so a hub for different subcultures (like I'd say SuperWhoLock was one of them for example), and it all lasted a bit longer
@@shashanotsasha myeah i know! just making a joke of sorts. hell i'm a tumblr user right now and have been for a while, it's pretty fascinating how tumblr affected a bunch of stuff.
@@shashanotsasha yeah no worries! sometimes tone doesn't really translate that well over text [which sucks - as someone that also can't tell when something's a joke sometimes].
rly like this video!!! ⛓️🌈🏁u should have more subs :p i always wanted to wear this style,, still do lol so hopefully when im older ill have a bigger wardrobe ^^;
I definitely cringe at my younger self but also I don’t let it keep me up at night because I’m glad that I expressed myself and I know I’ll be cringing at present me eventually. I just accept it as the course of life lol
I've pretty much never dressed alt. But I find I identify with alternative culture in a lot of ways, in ways which tends to get me somewhat ostracized dare I say in said cultures, because you see it's not about anti-conformity anymore, many alt communities are just as conformist as traditional culture, just in different ways. And that's why I wear second hand suits to punk shows.
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the whole “if you say it’s a phase you’re a poser and always were!” thing reminds me of a quote i found on tumblr once, “people say ‘phase’ like impermanence means insignificance. show me a permanent state of the self.”
That’s such a deep quote and to come from tumblr
@@vstro_i oh tumblr has like a masterpost of deep quotes thats part of their thing super deep stuff comes out of nowhere (usually obama in someones dream)
It's more so "if you didn't keep any of the values you're a poser and always were"
Sure, maybe your clothing or makeup style changes as you age but if you were truly part of whatever community, with it truly being your identity at some point, you will absolutely keep atleast some of the values from that community and not just discard them all
If you just discard them all then clearly you were never actually interested in those values to begin with and were instead only interested in the aesthetics
@@LuluTheCorgi i think youre right with that much! i do have a disdain for the people who show no respect to the community or values afterward
Hi! I made the song Monster Energy Gun and loved this video. I made the song when I was 14 in August 2020, so it’s funny you bring up how teens tied their identity to monster energy to associate themselves with a seemingly alternative scene more than actually liking the drink. I didn’t like monster energy. In fact, I never drank it until after the song hit its first 100,000 listens or so. I just liked the perception of rebellion and fitting in. I wasn’t someone looking to profit from the outside. I was a kid looking to fit in from the inside. Keep making videos, and thanks for using my song!! If content ID gives you any issues for it (or if you wanna ever use another one of my songs in the future), let me know, and I’ll take any kind of claim off it!
Kinda like Arizona tea?
hi! thank you for the nice comment and for the additional context - the song kinda fits even better than I originally thought :) also you made this at the age of FOURTEEN?? absolutely insane
Holy shit i love that song! I weight lift to it almost everyday!!! Thank you for that aggressive emo-punk-whatever song
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i love that song almost as much as i love the drinks, lol!! awesome to see you here, and even more awesome that you’re so chill-!! if you decide to keep making music, i def think you can go far.
whatever you do, you’ll do awesome! thanks for making such an iconic song
Holy shit bro do u still do music?? I used to be such a huge fan
Tbh, i ended my super chunky eyeliner era when i realized how quickly i was using up an entire thing of eyeliner.....🤷♀️
fr doing chunky eyeliner in this economy is a challenge
lol
I fortunately managed to survive that trouble by happening to be a facepainter artist/kind of tight budgeted, and used the water activated eyeliner cakes years before the market caught on. $15 eyeliner cake and it has barely made a dent after 6 months of regular and even heavier use on some more extreme makeup looks, and doesn't dry out/spill because you just spray it lightly each time you need it
Mostly too because I really wanted to be a white eyeliner girlie in 2015, and wasn't going to justify $15 AUD plus international shipping for literally 2ml of the one eyeliner known for actually being opaque.
As we age, heavy eyeliner only ages you more…if it’s truly in your heart, sticking with your subculture, even if everyone else disappears, is the true testament of if you are real or not. This is how it’s always been. I got into new wave in the seventies, punk rock eighties and now scooterist/skingirl since the late eighties and I’m still “Keeping The Faith”. You do evolve at times, but if it’s for real, it’s always there.
I have been a goth since the 2000s, I spent a long time until covid being "normal" but then rediscovered my love for goth fashion and music, I support alt kids and baby bats but I don't think it's good to use an aesthetic for clout, on the other hand if it wasn't for covid I might not have discovered people through instagram and youtube and tiktok that inspired me to be more authentic and dress goth and not care about what anyone thinks
I’m not that integrated into the online goth scene so I can’t speak on that. Ive always preferred the local “irl” scene. From one goth to another, I wanted to ask you if you’ve seen the shift in the community? I’m not sure if it is truly because of the internet bc while goth never “died” in the 2000s to 2020, a lot of people say it did and credit the pandemic for the revival. I’ve been in the goth scene since 2013. I’ve seen a shift in the uh….”flavor”??? Of goth. The people are different online now. There’s not much of the individualism that goth stands on that can be found on strictly online goth spaces. There’s more debate about subgenres, more discourse about fashion, and overall a higher amount of “goth police” haha. It’s like everyone is trying to out goth one another. I feel like the shift went from letting the music and philosophy guide your own individually crafted style to having to check off boxes to fit into the subculture. Baby bats are being thrown to the wolves lol. Have you noticed this in strictly online goth spaces? I just wanted your perspective since it was something that you lived through as well AND have experience with the online goth community
yes, I think the whole trend also did a lot to normalise subcultures/alternative ways of self-presentation among people who would normally not come in contact with them :)
I think the subculture has changed and there's more of a distinction between teens and older goths in their influences, less hate too from what I've seen compared to back when I first came out, it's more commercialised and cool I guess? It used to be just something you'd see online but I see more people out in public embracing alternative fashion trends even if it's different from what it once was and more mainstream
@@Cyauuuyeah been into goth since 2008-ish and I noticed that people are much more rigid about what bands are allowed to be talked about on forums (or at least on Reddit, which I've been frequenting more since Covid) and I'm hearing the goth vs. gothic distinction more and more often. I definitely understand that there needs to be more boundaries as a result of Alt TikTok and TikTok reducing everything to an ephemeral aesthetic or slapping -core at the end of everything and calling Deftones goth, but the policing and baby bats needing constant affirmation to avoid being "cringe" is much more annoying nowadays lol.
@@amandaford8730 I’m on R/Goth too and I definitely see the conversations on there about the philosophies, music, and miscellaneous things. I feel like on there, it’s needed bc I think when we were younger, things were just goth simply bc they weren’t anything else. They were undeniably goth. No outside things or people coming into the scene trying to make it into something it’s not. So I see what you’re saying when you bring up the fact that goth on like TikTok or other platforms is being co-opted thus emphasizing the need for goths in those spaces to be concrete about what’s goth and what’s not. I understand now. I think it was initially mind boggling to me because in physical goth spaces in “irl”, I don’t see or hear any of these conversations happening. I wondered why it was strictly online. Like what did I miss?? hahaha
But yessss the policing of baby bats is actually pretty wild. Half the time, it’s OTHER baby bats! It’s just so weird to see this side of the community. I remember browsing a few “goth” instagram pages not too long ago and seeing the amount of pure hostility was truly abhorrent. It’s so sad
i feel like its only really harmful if someone has an alt phase and leaves it if they become a bigot after. alternative subcultures are often safeplaces for people of color and queer people. They are meant to exist for marginalized groups so I feel like co-opting that as an aesthetic only to get bored and be a bigot is pretty fucked up. We can’t ignore that alt people can also be bigots though. (in that case these alt people arent truly alt)
i mean yeah. not just by poc or queer people but also disabled people, and the mentally ill. Goth people tend to have a variety of mental health struggles. also a lot of these cultures were created by and for working class people. they always have been for marginal people.
I have yet to watch this but as someone who’s been part of the punk / diy anarcho / post punk scene for a long time (my older sis started taking me to shows when I was 11) and something that was really missed from TikTok ‘alt’ culture was the fact that Gatekeeping serves a major function in underground communities : to keep cops and narcs out. Calling people poseurs has a function. I don’t want tourists in my scene.
oh yeah, the poser discourse i mention in the video is not the type you’re talking about, since you can only really say “yeah fair enough” to that haha
I'm one of the "older alternative" people who has never been on tiktok ect. But even I've become more "basic" throughout the years. For a very simple reason: I'm tired of being noticed in public.
It's very sad bc I wish I could dress however I want and no one would try to talk to me, stare, shout, all that stuff. But I can't. And I'm just tired. I don't want to talk to strangers every time I go out. I don't want conflict or even compliments, I just want to blend in and go about my day. Society won I guess! haha.
I'll never take out my piercings tho even if my teeth fall out.
yes, i've seen that a lot, especially in smaller cities and town or less progressive areas :/
Ugh literally so true. Just because I dress obnoxious doesn’t mean I feel like having a full blown conversation with a random stranger with a thousand questions 😭
Can’t I just VIBE in PEACE???
i'm a goth who doesn't dress goth because i have too much anxiety, i do want to start going to alt nights and all that but there's none of that where i live. maybe one day.
@@LilFeralGangrelhiii! the way i got over (some) of my anxiety around ppl is to just hang out with my more extroverted friends EDIT: and their friends as well*. idk what it did ig i got more comfy and i started feeling a bit better about being myself in public!! it took a while to get used to it (like months lol), and i still get anxious, but it def helped :3
I live in a city where it’s not gonna make you stand out but me being black and dressing “alternative” got me a lot of looks and I definitely stuck out. I also kinda gave up that look because I feel uncomfortable when I want to truly dress how I feel which kinda sucks, but yeah society won..
I'm so sad... I miss this era and looked up to a lot of creators during this for fashion inspo (and for gender envy/inspo reasons too) and now it feels so nostalgic to me...
same! that side of tiktok helped me explore my gender and the ways i express it :)
SAME
I fucking loved this era
im a punk guy and i have been for 6 years now and i remember when the "2020 alt era" rolled around i was apart of it for a while, i left because of how toxic it turned out to be and the fact that there was really no substance to be honest besides the video filters and aesthetics and so i went back to the punk subculture. I feel like the problem is that the community is very social-media based more than actual real world lifestyles and issues BUT it did have a nice community towards trans and other lgbtq+ people (speaking from a trans guy perspective) also very underrated video for the quality of it.
The subculture was commodified by an algorithm that solely exists to create revenue for the platform. Think of it as an all consuming blob that takes something, absorbs it until it can't be taken back, and the figurative "bones" are spit out. It sucks because any genuine humanity it had gets squeezed out and it makes the subculture/concept more difficult to enjoy or enter either because the concept itself has become so muddled or by just becoming expensive.
thank you for the nice words :) yes, it‘s very social media-centered which i think will probably be the case for newly emerging subcultures, i‘m interested to see if future online subcultures would translate into offline
@@raultrashlord4404THIS! thanks for articulating this clearly :) i‘m thinking of making on that topic since it‘s very interesting and I was trying to focus on the social/identity aspects in this one
@@shashanotsashaty, i've seen enough examples of this phenomenon to be able to express it succinctly.
Phases are important steps in life. There is no shame in something only being a phase, it gives you valuable lessons and sometimes even life longs friends.
love this vid! I was like 12 when the “alt” era on TikTok began, and was already naturally in a stage of my life where I was questioning my identity. I never dressed fully alt because like I said I was 12 and had conservative parents lmao, but it definitely influenced a lot of things about me, and while I regret being on TikTok during that period of my life, I don’t regret that phase! This sounds incredibly corny but it did inspire me break out of the idea that I had to dress exactly the way everyone else was to be accepted. It was always very strange to me to see how the “real” alternative people would praise the idea of rebelling and being different, but when a subculture came around that didn’t completely fit into the ones they’d already created they put it down. I don’t see how the 2020 alt phases kids went through (or are still in) are any different from the 2010s emo phases that are now looked upon with nostalgia. People were just upset about it cause they’re scared of new things 🤷♀️
I also suppose some people might have a (subconscious in some cases) fear of actually being seen as the "PoSer" which contributes to them being less accepting of things they're not familiar with :)
hi☆ im a "tiktok alt" person
i'm writing this while watching the video, and i want to share my experience and opinion
basically, before 2020, i rlly liked decora kei and weeb subcultures, nightcore etc already! but since i was very, very socially awkward i didn’t do anything about it: i dressed basic, even if my beliefs and taste was not mainstream.
as 2020 rolled around and i was locked in, i took this oportunity of "invisibility" to start dressing in black, with lots of chains and kandi bracelets, listening to hyperpop and stuff of the sort
as 2022 rolled around and quarantine was nearing its end, i continued to dress the same way and felt rlly disappointed watching other people leave the alt tiktok subculture...
i still dress alt: it's different from how i dressed back then, but not because i'm less alt, but because i purchased even more acessories and look even "more alt"
it angers and upsets me to see people saying "tiktok alts" are not truly alt, because, yes, a bunch of people dropped out of it, but it doesn't mean everything was fake. also, yes, the stuff the alt tiktok community likes is not the same as stuff that other subcultures enjoy, but everytime there's a new subculture being formed, theyre called posers and basic. punks called emos that, and then emos called scene people that.
basically, i think it is a subculture, and that even though a lot of it is gone, i still enjoy myself and i dont care!
(my makeup isnt, and was never, extreme in any way: i rely mostly on clothing and acessories. but if you wanna see my style, i sometimes post stuff out of cosplay on my insta. redmars.cos)
When I was a kid, I would always admire alternative people, but I never had a "phase". When tiktok started getting alternative, that was the inspiration that finally pushed me to do it. So, for me, if it was a phase, it hasn't ended yet. I'm now 24 and finding the courage to be creative and dress how I like has led me to make a lot of great friends, feel more confident, and have a lot more in fun regular life.
It's actually really confusing to me looking back, how I never had an alternative phase as a child. One of my role models was Mindy from Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, both my parents are metalheads, I also love listening to punk and metal music, and I'm neurodivergent and prone to anxiety and depression.
It's really weird to me when I see people on tiktok cringe about this period of time, because they were in high school. I understand, because I definitely cringe at who I was in high school (Hetalia fan) but, for me I was finishing up university when this "trend" started, so it definitely shaped my identity and who I am right now. So by them "cringing" at themselves from back then, sometimes it feels like they're cringing at me from now. 😅
mindy was my first crush as a kid fr
Honestly the 2020 alt never really left me completely. (I definitely still listen to 100 gecs and a LOT of Penelope Scott
thank goodness I found a video on this topic, I saw "alt tiktok" being slandered on twitter and really wanted to know but I ain't looking into that myself
ohmg it's you're only video haha welcome to youtube!!
@@mayowhishes thank you!
I only started dressing alt when I finished Highschool and moved out. In that environment it was impossible for me to express myself or even experiment with my appearance. COVID gave young people the opportunity to spend time exploring alternative styles without judgment. Because this was now common practice, new and more unusual styles became popular, it seems natural to me that, when eventually going back to their usual environment a lot of people couldn’t deal with an “attention attracting” unusual style anymore, thus it became unpopular again. All this happens subtly and partly on a subconscious level, suddenly some feel uncomfortable outside, suddenly it’s less worn, suddenly it’s not popular anymore and disappears
YEEESSS!! Being at home during COVID was huuuge to just being able to try stuff out, plus everyone was on tiktok because it was easy to connect with people online, and the age a lot of us hit during COVID meant we were able to just try stuff (esp music/style subcultures that had been popular with teens in the past anyway)
I think it was just a good 'formula' for a trend like that
I convinced my mom to let me dye my hair for the first time because I wasn't in school lol
Tiktok definitely got me into what I like now, but it was more like a gateway.
Once everything went back to in person/normal and the trend was 'over' I got bothered by people in public/at school and it wore me out, and I tried to look more 'normal' for like,, maybe a year before i gave up 💀
That being said I have absolutely been back to my weirdness. Looking more 'normal' is definitely easier, but it doesn't make you as happy as doing something you actually like does 👍👍
I think the same happened for the people that tried it when it was trendy and didn't like it, just in reverse
I think for a lot of us the whole 'tiktok alt' thing got us into what we like now
woah this is your first video? You obviously put in a lot of work and it shows! The pacing is good, the point is constructed well, the jokes are fun and the editing is good. I'm really curious to see what you do in a few months :D
thank you!
People in general just tend to wash out the extremes of their style as they get older, thats just how it works. When you're young, you dont have to have a job, which gives you all this free time to find new underground artists, explore styles, go to lots of shows, ect. But as you get older, you dont have the free time or the energy to do that anymore (which sucks, but) and so you'll dress less extreme, not be as in touch with underground new music, ect.
i feel like all my friends who were "alt" at the height of the subculture's fame look back at it in mixed ways. when we moved on from that phase of our lives we treated our past so poorly, but as time passed our petty hatred for a community who had accepted us just sort of faded. i think everyone should watch this video cause its super informative!!! just because we aren't in that group anymore doesn't mean we need to be embarrassed by it!!!!
Oh, this whole thing has been going on for decades
Woah it’s been 4 years since alt TikTok first emerged, crazy to think that those kids are 18 now, I was 12 in 2020 and am 16 now, I finally have the courage to dress alternative and am goth but in 2020 I wanted to be an alt kid sooo bad
i'm glad you can express yourself more freely now!
I think one big mistake that a lot of people make when discussing subculture and people who are older is not taking into account that a lot of older punks/goths/emos etc. still listen to the music and even go to events; they’re just not dressed up all the time. Because of this, you might not see them in the “wild” unless you’re at the same show. I think our culture likes to force us all into neat little boxes, and if you’re not a particular thing *all* the time 24/7, then people assume you’re just… not that thing.
I also think that culturally we expect the youth to be more rebellious by default, and in that way being alternative as a teenager is seen as - ironically - very normal. People don’t even bother looking around for the subcultural “elders” because they assume they just don’t exist. Even if they don’t dress the same, a lot of times the ideas/politics are still there, since there’s a lot overlap between subcultures and marginalized groups - people who are considered outcasts anyways.
i think it’s also extremely important for people to remember that THIS WAS THE PANDEMIC. everything had to be online, and the content that was being consumed was mostly in the form of videos. everything was visual, which makes sense as to why music came second and looks came first. it didnt really matter what kind of music you liked to film a silly little video of your outfit with a sound that everyone was already using,,
I feel this is the same reason why influencers get inked up then regret it, it's for social validation. As opposed to someone who just wants a tattoo regardless of other people's opinions. I'm tatted up but I don't really care what people in person or online think.
I'm Goth and I don't care if it's trendy for someone to dress like me without any knowledge of Darkwave or Goth Rock because they thought the way we dress was cool. I never did things out of spite I just like what I like. And at thirty-eight years of age I still really don't care what people think lol.
My only advice would be to do what makes you happy. Don't do things to appease strangers for social validation. That comes from accepting yourself.
Dressing plain and basic is cool. On the inside I'm "alt" enough
The mother mother inputs earned my subscription 😌
they slayed
I was late to the fanbase but still very obsessed regardless. Idk, they have this real "making a jaunty song about my existential crisis" energy and I love it.
HOW IS THIS YOUR FIRST VIDEO HELLO?????
it's so good, keep it up and looking forward for more of your videos !! :D
thank you! more vids coming soon :)
saving this to watch later, but the sentence "instigate fights between people who don't actually know each other" is just *chef's kiss*. like there's something there, like this one phrase has broader implications for social media use in general.
its weird how i never really was alt in that way but i got heavily influenced by the style and all that jazz. Like i was (and am) a queer teenager, specifically nonbinary, and most of the nonbinary people i saw around both online and irl were some form of tiktok alt, and even now i get influenced by the eye makeup and clothing choices from that time of internet “cringe”
tiktok was actually fun back then and it was the last time i felt any solidarity with people my age, alot of things seemed like satire too like some of the hyperpop songs and stuff lol.
woah didn’t expect noize mc in the end 😭 great vid! love the smooth transition from “alright here’s an ESSAY,” to “it actually isn’t that deep”. exactly how science works and i’m not joking
truue i'm currently doing a masters program and sometimes research literally comes to "it is what it is" esp when it has to do with culture haha
hi, i happen to experience the exact opposite of what is discussed. i have the ideolagy and love punk music without any of the aesthetics. to the contrary of the "alt posers", i always felt that the looks come at odds with how i want to present myself visually, which leads to some weird comments like " youre too basic to be punk" .
idk if this is a commen thing but i would love to see a video explaining how an idiology is gatekept due to aethetics.
awesome vid
hi! yeah this happens, but i’ve mostly seen it online since nobody at shows/generally in subcultural spaces irl really cares, especially if they’re familiar with the subculture :) but at the same time i’d say the certain look is for sure expected by a lot of people, to the point where my friend who doesn’t dress that alternative introduces herself as “i’m the one who doesn’t look alternative” - which kind of sucks (the fact that she has to give that disclaimer)
Take it from someone very old school, the plainest people were the most punk rock! The more peacocky they were, the more suspicious. The more outrageous, the dumber and more annoying they became and left quickly.
BTW, drawing less attention to yourself is actually more subversive. They don’t see it coming!
Honestly I loved the era, I would’ve never found alternative fashion, non mainstream music, etc if it wasn’t for 2020-2021 .. I never posted myself for the most part but I do have some of the clothing and a few photos saved. I don’t think I would be the same person without who I was in 2020/2021 - which is kinda crazy to me tbh
yessss, i wasnt alt bc of fear of my familys opinion, so i just cutted my hair and that simple thing kind of shaped me to who i am now, because that was the very first step to be what i wanted to be, i now have a hairstyle and a "style" that i just like to think as my deep personal likeness without a gender normative or stereotypical ideal to be. I think my 2021 version of me would be so proud of what i am now and that fills me with happiness, also id like to add that 2020 2021 made a lot of people, including me, to get to know that there wasnt just what we have been told, that there was a lot more to dress, to look and to be, which i think is kinda cool, yk?(srry 4 my bad english, im not a native speaker i hope i was able to make myself clear :)))
I'm glad it helped you find yourself!
This is a great video. I have observed and studied poser behaviour (from the subculture of metal) and took on a stance based on Freudian and Jungian psychology, but this essay is really important as it goes into the configuring factors of identity.
As for "this is why we're not taken seriously" and "aging out" (the term I would choose is grow out), or better said, why most studies are conducted with young people, at least currently it is mostly due to the amount of media that exists, the user public of social media and user public of massive communication technology; but the issue of teenagers posing as being part of a subculture has almost always existed. It's a great thing you brought up capitalism as in the USA (I haven't come yet to the underlying cause but it is evident that it is structural and societal) each and every time it happens with the population of disenfranchised white teenagers (heavy metal in the 80s, grunge in the 90s, nu metal from mid-90s to mid-2000s, emo pop punk in the 2000s, and onward); Gringolandia's racial dynamics, which have become cultural and are necessarily social, make black and hispanic disenfranchised people turn to different things (already knowing alternative cultures are just a few of many things to turn to). However, the psychological leads, now talking about anyone in the world, are simple, seeing as at that age the sense of belonging and search for self are at their peak.
The teenager sees himself as an outcast (he doesn't need to be excluded for an actual reason, be it in whichever society it takes place, he just needs to see himself as it), having an essential part of his identity challenged, which is his belonging in the parent culture, therefore he turns to a mass that is ironically a community of outcasts. Being that he's a teenager, he still plays a lot into a childish archtype; the mass let's him apeace his feeling of vulnerability while at the same time boosting his sense of invincibility. He makes surface aspects of the subculture into his identity, or better said for this theory, his self, not for the sake of adding but for replacing what was lost in his exclusion, making effectively a false self. It may be false but it is still part of the self, so when he is challenged again, this time for his actual participation in the subculture, he has the natural response, aggressive, for he fears that his true self may be revealed. It's very convoluted what happens between his conscious and unconscious at this point, but parting from the assumption that his false self is then broken, he begins a reconstruction between the false and true, this part being called now an alienated self. In a gross simplification, we can see it as a double false self, not in the sense that it's a double negation, which would make it true, but in the one that it serves a replacement for the replacemenr, preventing his false self from being revealed. So yes, he will indulge in a more complex version of the same behaviour. He may turn to parent culture and call it "just a phase", but he may just as easily dive deeper in the subculture in an effort, not to be part of it, but to not be a poser.
hi! thanks for the well thought out comment :) your approach is close to some takes i’ve seen in relation to punk - namely in “L. A.'s "White Minority": Punk and the Contradictions of Self-Marginalization” by Traber and “White Riot:
Punk Rock and the Politics of Race” by Spooner, both go into detail about self-marginalization and assuming a marginalized identity while not being maginalized. i think you’ll enjoy them both, afaik the second one can be found on the internet archive
this needs way more attention cause its amazing
it has already gotten way more views than I was expecting!
Ikr
Your style, your editing, the people you choose to quote - love it all!! Def subbing
thank you! i appreciate it :)
just saw this on my yt feed and i so so very much hope that u will continue doing vids !!!! this was such a great watch dude
thank you so much! hopefully yes, second video already in progress :)
@@shashanotsasha oh v excited! also i hope this isnt coming off weird lmao bc i'm asking this based off of ur name and accent alone, but are u from eastern europe by any chance ?
don't worry, it's a reasonable question :) i'm russian
I was 18-19 when the tiktok alt style came, I've been interested in alternative fashions like emo, grunge, tumblr fashion and e-girl since ~ age 12. Seeing the tiktok kids have fun with some kind of child of scene, emo, j-k-fashion made me so inspired to re-explore. I was at an age where I wanted to live that youth free life - no school, no job, just trying to live for a bit and explore the world and myself. But I was trapped inside at home. This style let me feel that freedom for a bit. I'm way more dark and gloomy now but I'll always love (and miss) those LED lights and the way I would dress up and do my make up, stay up all night eating ramen and drawing while listening to music. Those times were not what I had always dreamed of, but I'm so connected to that time none the less and will always feel nostalgia towards that look and aesthetic. People who shit on the tiktok Alt style were imo just people who had been desensitised from alternative people by being on instagram and not tumblr during the 2010s.
I miss my cringy 2020 depressed baby gay Russian doomer post punk phase. I'm happier now but somehow simultaneously more unstable and depressed
My music taste has always been mainly alternative. Rock, punk, indie, post punk. Thats what inspired the way i dressed personally. Since i was a little kid id be wearing studed belts and the biggest boots i could find, and it just evolved from there. I didnt even consider myself alt or goth or punk, people put me in that box bc of my music, opinions and look.
When the alt thing blew up on tiktok im not going to lie i thought it was stupid. Im autistic, i dont understand people who do things purely for the sake of trends or attention, it makes literally 0 sense to me. Ive never looked at my peers and thought 'wow i want to copy them so that i can look cool', never. I never even thought about it. Growing up alternative i was used to getting negativity all the time, so for people to take it on as a trend was super fucking weird. It really did put me off. Alt became this 1 universal 'look' rather than the many diverse things that make up the whole group of alternative people, music and styles. People got their inspiration from the tiktoks, not from art, culture or music bc they love those things. That sucked. It took the meaning away from alternative when they copied us to the point of mqking it mainstream. It cant be alternative if everyone and their dog is 'alternative' thats literally oxymoronic.
Anyway since then, i realised that who cares? I look way less alternative than i used to, but in a way that makes me look more alternative again. I dress for sensory issues and wear whats comfy and thats still somehoe viewed as me being 'quirky' bc im not following trends. We make up trends, follow them, and get pissed at others for doing the same as us. Fashion, clothing, etc shouldnt be this thing that puts you into a box. I believe that everyone should be wearing whatever the fuck they feel comfortable in or gorgeous in. If you love goth fashion but hate typical goth music? Who cares! Goth is such a broad spectrum of culture, music and fashion. Sometimes thats how a new Goth is born. Sometimes you need to try different things to find yourself and you should not be shamed for that. Its normal to go through many different fashion eras, music eras or art eras before you find the things that speak to you the absolute most. If you never try or never experience then how will you know?
I get mixed feelings but as i get older i get more frustrated with the boxed in nature of fashion and trends. Ones sense of style should be a journey of self discovery. You should feel free to be inspired by whatever you want and to dress whatever way you want. I think thats so important. Fashion for me was a segway into art and creation. I used to make clothes out of scraps, or pieces id got from thrift stores, technically they have 0 trend to fit into but they were my pieces and my expressions of myself.
this is a very nice and matute take on it!
i dont go here, i am a 20yo hippie, but my parents were (still are today on age 47 and 50) those early 2000 linking park -evanescence - bring me the horizon emo-ish punk-ish (blablabla you get the picture). and its always funny when i can keep up with my alt friends on singing (and sometimes even showing them more underground bands), they call me an honorary former color picket girl. i have to fight for my life claiming i was never one to new people. i have defaulted to having a picture of me in kindergarden with a pink dress hugging my green-liberty-spikes haired dad for a fathers day card to shut people up.
unironically the most entertaining video essay I've ever seen
thank you so much!
I was sooo surprised when I checked ur channel and saw that this is ur only video so far!! Wonderful work, can't wait for more videos to put on while I'm goin about my life!! :)
thank you :)
the 2020 tiktok alt scene definitely got me into dressing more alternative even tho i had been engaging with emo content years beforehand. however, the actual dressing up part didn't last long because my life fundamentally changed so much, to the point where i just didn't have the energy for it because i was so busy. however now that things have calmed down i find myself gravitating towards a more alternative look again. not just for the style, but to feel that sense of freedom in non-conformity and belonging in a subculture again. i've come to adore the gothic subculture so much within the past year, especially the music and literature. Its more so working on building my wardrobe up now, and having the confidence to dress how i want to again.
Beautifully done. I adored this video!
thank you!
Holy crap this as a first video? The ✨️q u a l i t y✨️
I was a wannabe scene/emo kid back in 2007-12 (parents never let me go hard since we were poor). Then "Tumblrina" 2013-15.
I guess I'm still "alt" in the most basic way possible (band tee, hoodie, distressed jeans, couple necklaces), but its simply because I no longer have the mental energy to do elaborate eye looks or layering, etc. I just want to wake up and go on with my day lmao
thanks!
i started listening to punk and dressing different a couple months before the pandemic hit because i’d been wanting to for about a year before then and my friends at the time encouraged me to. my parents are in the scene so i got to go to shows with them. i liked it, it felt like a whole new world that only i really knew about and it really helped with my confidence. when alt tiktok became a trend i became even more confident and started going all out with my makeup and self expression. i did whatever i wanted without caring what others thought and it felt great. my whole life i had never fit in but for once, i was one of the cool ones. i felt powerful. i made new friends who were similar to me and some of them i lost but the rest i grew together with.
even if i’ve fallen out of touch with the subculture and am doing other things instead these days, i’ll always look back on this time fondly and i even sort of miss it, especially the confidence i had. for the first time in my life i was completely unashamed of myself, for better or for worse. i’m grateful for it. and i’m grateful that it really made me practice chunky eyeliner, because no matter how much my look changes i’m taking chunky eyeliner to the grave. and i still like going to shows :)
Your parents are punk rockers or goths?
My kiddo went to a reggae show at 6 weeks near our apartment, Circle Jerks at 6 months (band loved her!), Ska, punk, psychobilly, reggae shows and even scooter rallies ever since. She did wear earplugs, of course. She appreciates all of it, but has her own style. She’s autistic, too, so already socially awkward anyhow.
Great video especially for a first video! also ULOOK (not just your apparence but the whole way u present yourself) SO COOL!!!!
thank you!
I wish i had that style back then but my mom wouldn't let me dress "weird" or even wear eyeliner...
I think “subculture” and “aesthetics” are VERY distinct tho… and there’s definitely impact from the daily “aesthetic” change TikTok is promoting
I’d argue that’s promoting subculture death, as it’s no longer viewed as “that deep”
and I think that’s a problem
You interviewed someone that clearly has respect for the alt subculture and in many ways was a part of it - politically, she said she’s queer herself as well; altho I’m disappointed you didn’t touch on the music aspect at all, like she mentioned she listened to “alt music” but that was it. I was curious to know what she considers “alt music” and what she listens to today and if she ever goes back to the music she listened to during her “alt phase”
I feel like when having this discourse and when people express their frustrations with posers, it’s not necessarily directed at this girl. It’s more so directed at people that dress the part but don’t play the part, in other words act as if they’re alternative but don’t support anti-capitalist movements for example and are not lgbtq+ allies etc.
I think that’s the real problem. Cuz personally I’ve encountered plenty “alt” kids during the covid lockdowns that were very clearly posers bc even tho they dressed the part, they still hung out w homophobic sexist assholes that didn’t give 2 shits about what any oppressed community had to say.
It’s a huge loss u didn’t touch on that at all.
hi! this is a very good point and I didn't go into detail about politics associated with alternative subcultures and communities since I was thinking about making it into a whole other video (especially if you go into detail and bring up the history and contradictions within different scenes, literally wrote a 20 page paper on it this semester haha) since I was trying to focus on this specific one :)
@@shashanotsashaexactly! We are not carbon copies of each other. We can agree or agree to disagree. That’s the way to keep things civil.
as much as i cringe at my tiktok alt phase (and believe me, i do) it helped me discover so many great artists and i eventually became invested in the goth subculture. anyway good vid!
Привет! Я была подписана на тебя несколько лет назад (в 2019-2020) в Инстаграме и когда смотрела видео, сперва не могла понять, почему ты кажешься такой знакомой, а потом, когда ты сказала, что из России, осознала, что знаю тебя по инсте. Спасибо за крутую работу и отличный рисерч. Здорово, что ты вышла на нишу видеоэссе
ничего себе, до сих меня помнят! спасибо большое :)
ТАК ВОТ ПОЧЕМУ МНЕ ТОЖЕ ОНА ПОКАЗАЛАСЬ ЗНАКОМОЙ
love seeing Jean genet and 100 gecs in the same video. gay culture 4ever
slaying our way though the decades
Lol I always liked how not being normal became normal during 2020. TikTok fashion trends were in their infancy as the app was getting more popular and E-girl/E-boys were outside making tiktoks in the empty streets lol
As a deathrocker/goth i dislike how many tiktok influencers reduced Goth to different 80s and 90s fashion styles and not what the community was built around: goth music, deathrock, dark wave, and different forms of post-punk music.
I find that the way people talk about subcultures today is reductionist and steeped in consumerist language, to be alt is to buy different kinds of products or having certain "looks" and not about the community you are a part of. Moreover it doesn't really care to understand the past because this form of alternative "lifestyle" concerns itself with mass appeal and approachability. It's almost as if tiktok editions of punk/goth or what have you are just a range of products that were committee designed by online communities themselves which does not fit the spirit alt lifestyles.
Please understand, I'm not against new people exploring or becoming part of the subculture they like. But please understand that these are things people care about, goth culture has been a boon to my mental health. These should be respected, and part of respecting them is learning. By all means explore, learn, and hopefully enjoy. But don't turn it into something it isn't. It's more then fashion.
i wouldn’t personally put the full blame on people seen as the design of the app and the algorithm are literally there to make you stay longer and see more ads, and it has been shown to push down more serious content while at the same time promoting the “flashy” parts and drama
@@shashanotsasha yeah that's why i said design committee by online committees bit, i think the way modern social media just reduces all complexity? i dunno it's definitely some thing i think a lot about but any coherent explanations seem to be hard to come up with
@@LilFeralGangrel i’m thinking about making a video about this, but one aspect is that before widespread social media you would interact with communities and subcultures offline and then it would translate into online or vice versa, whereas today these two are more separate and the first point of contact would be online
@@shashanotsasha That's true! in a sense social media has created more distance between everything. i would definitely watch that video btw!
i’m a goth, baby bat really i’m still just getting into the subculture, and the 2020 alt scene is what got me into alternative fashion !! i look back on that era fondly, even if my outfits weren’t alternative in the slightest and quite questionable at the best of times, and appreciate it for being the gateway into me becoming who i am now. i’m far less scared to go out in less conventional clothing and makeup, even if it doesn’t completely fit the traditional goth image people have. i don’t, however, like tiktok as a means of discovering subcultures. it promotes consumerism and overconsumption, as well as a desire to perfectly ‘fit’ into a singular aesthetic. As said before, i don’t perfectly fit into the trad goth style, yet i’m still a goth as i hold the beliefs and music taste, and i know that’s okay ! it’s not a purely style-based subculture - the sort of thing tiktok promotes. it waters down any alternative subculture and curates an ecosystem of gatekeeping and elitism, which is what the 2020 alt era felt like at times. it was just clothes and makeup, putting forth the idea you need to look alternative to be alternative. brilliant video, so glad you included some mother mother x]
The old alternative scene was putting together your own style, either thrifting or raiding grandma’s closet and styling it cool. Store bought and already made was actually frowned upon and made you look like mommy bought your clothes and you were cheesy. People used to just make people cut off their boots or rip your fancy shirt if you didn’t pass the sniff test. That’s what I came up in back in the eighties and nineties.
You make your style and that’s the best feeling ever.
@@kimberlyvespa yeah i get all of my clothes second hand !! i hated how there was a sort of pressure to buy a whole new wardrobe off of the likes of shein, just go to charity shops or vinted or something if you need something online. it’s so much cheaper, too !!
unrelated to the video but i really love your piercings! they're very pretty on you
thank you :)
Thank you so much for talking about this 😭💕
Loved the video! Your volume is a bit down but everything else I really liked
thank you! i overestimated the mic a lot haha
Remember the cultural and political context surrounding TikTok? In the USA, former President Donald Trump labeled it as an 'evil brainwashing platform' due to its Chinese origin. Despite this, many users protested by actively engaging with TikTok, making them “alternative” simply by embracing and loving the platform. The internet also gravitates towards unique and unusual characters (explaining why “emo” “scene” and any extremist/maximalist fashion has been popular online)
hi! i‘m not from the us so my timeline can be a little blurry, but didn‘t the whole scandal with trump threatening to ban it happen around 2021? so like after the alt thing blew up. correct me if i‘m wrong :)
@@shashanotsasha Back in July 2020, there was talk about banning TikTok in the U.S. by Trump. However, *in 2021* , Joe Biden stepped in, signing an executive order to lift the ban proposed by the Trump Administration.
@@shashanotsasha I really enjoyed this video! Just wanted to add in some political context to enhance the discussion on the fashion trend.
@@Crystalcreates33 ok, thanks for clarifying! then yeah, the use of tiktok itself really does add further political implications :)
thank you :) you brought up a very interesting point!
honestly i don’t even know how that app influenced me to get things in that style, i was honestly weird at the time so i guess it makes sense.. but i was at my worst when all of this happened, i don’t use that app anymore but that phase was incredibly detrimental..
I've never actually used tiktok, but I genuinely appreciated the "alt" trend simply bc the term is actually vague enough to describe my style
Amazing Video! Also love the cg t shirt and spacers
thank you!
finally a person worth watching. slay
thank uuuu bro
Great video!! I don’t have anything to add except I love your leather jacket, it’s so cool :o
I’m actually shocked at how little views this has, this was really well made 😭
thank you! it actually has more views than I ever expected from a first vid haha :)
@@shashanotsasha It's really well made for a first video so I can see why it does
thanks again :) I appreciate the support a lot!
holy shit please keep uploading this ATE new video essayist hour !!
thank you! already scripting a new video :)
You did so well on your first video. I love your style of editing and how your personality shines through, subscribed!
thanks a lot!
i stopped being "tiktok alt" but i moved onto scene/emo culture so i'd say it wasn't a "phase"
I really didn't/dont like the "aesthetic" thing teens are doing now i feel it will lead to identity issues more than kids already have. As an alt in my 20s i never really paid attention to the tiktok alt cause i knew it was a phase. I feel only angst and rage at the world is what they had in common then just went along with fashion and barely music.
But we also forget that alt culture just loves hating lol. Alt turned its back on the cure to green day. Anyone can be called a poser in this subculture.
I was emo growing up (age 10~17) and when i graduated high school in 2018 i started dressing “normal” to prepare for the “normal” adult world,,,,and then 2020 happened and I was like “fuck dressing in blouses and light jeans, this shit sucks, go back to form 🗣️” The pandemic killed my “normal phase” and re-sparked my passion for alternative culture
You deserve so many more subscribers!!! Your content is amazing!!!!
thanks a lot!
this video rules. cant believe that this is your first video? instantly subbed
thank you!
For me when I was figuring out I was queer in highschool and cutting my hair super short I think definitely drove me into those groups nd before gay marriage was legalised it was like the emos were always a place u could be yourself
Love the Goldzilla Patch :)
they slayyy i‘m bummed i keep missing their gigs by like 1 day whenever i go to berlin
I miss my basic faze sometimes
AMAZING 👏 this video was recommended to me and gave me SO much clarity tysm. Liked and Subbed :D
thanks!
I miss my style from 2021 it’s just that I had to stop wearing so much eyeliner because my skin around my eyes ended up becoming really irritated due to all the eyeliner
this is such high quality, great job!!
thanks!
DO MORE ALT DISCOURSE, especially future of gen Alpha fashion
i gotta admit i’m a little scared of gen alpha kids
PowerPoint parties did their job
You go the star the legend THE STATEMENT!!!!!!!
tyyyyy ❤ i might just be the final powerpoint boss tbh
Good first video! Comin in here early haha
Is this your first video? :0 Surprised at how high quality the visuals are. Love your hair btw.
thank you!
As someone who’s been alt the majority of my life but has had a little tryout phases of being basic I can’t say anything
Okay, good points sister. Now i’m waiting for the video about Gosuslugi’s alt-girls movement, i hope you’ll find this topic interesting, cause i think you have a lot to say about it! Great vid btw
hi! thanks a lot, the gosuslugi psyop might be a little too local haha :)
Fantastic use of Suburban Home.
In general, music was used well.
thanks!
you could relpace tiktok with tumblr and it'd be the 2010s again
I was a teenager when tumblr was THE website, and it made a big contribution to me becoming who I am :) I agree that it's similar, but I do think tumblr was more so a hub for different subcultures (like I'd say SuperWhoLock was one of them for example), and it all lasted a bit longer
@@shashanotsasha myeah i know! just making a joke of sorts. hell i'm a tumblr user right now and have been for a while, it's pretty fascinating how tumblr affected a bunch of stuff.
oh ok, i didn't get that it was a joke initially, thanks for clarifying :) and yeah we can pretty much trace anything back to tumblr haha
@@shashanotsasha yeah no worries! sometimes tone doesn't really translate that well over text [which sucks - as someone that also can't tell when something's a joke sometimes].
rly like this video!!! ⛓️🌈🏁u should have more subs :p
i always wanted to wear this style,, still do lol so hopefully when im older ill have a bigger wardrobe ^^;
384th follower. you did an amazing job.
thank you!
I definitely cringe at my younger self but also I don’t let it keep me up at night because I’m glad that I expressed myself and I know I’ll be cringing at present me eventually. I just accept it as the course of life lol
Great video, really looking forward to more
thank you!
wow that’s a really cool video !!
thanks!
I've pretty much never dressed alt. But I find I identify with alternative culture in a lot of ways, in ways which tends to get me somewhat ostracized dare I say in said cultures, because you see it's not about anti-conformity anymore, many alt communities are just as conformist as traditional culture, just in different ways.
And that's why I wear second hand suits to punk shows.
спасибо, до этого видео я никогда не слышал эту песню нойза
мне она очень нравится :)
@@shashanotsasha мне теперь тоже!! слушаю её весь вечер хаха
Can anyone tell me the names of every song used in this vid? Tyyy
hi! in order of appearance:
1)Descendents - Suburban Home
2)Billy Talent - Surprise! Surprise!
3)Mother Mother - Burning Pile
4)Noize MC - Кооператив «Лебединое озеро»
5:32 - instant like and an intent to subscribe
21:26 - instant sub
:)
Dude ur hair is fucking rad
thanks I shaved my head out if boredom this summer
Very 80s. (Which is a good thing!)
@@nineteenfortyeight thanks!
Congrats on starting your UA-cam channel 🎉
thanks!
Damn over 100 subs with a 3 old day video, must be a good video then
take it with a grain of salt - like 30 of them are just my friends