You sold me on the free version. Although paying for a premium subscription for an app which is all about reducing your monthly recurring subscription would feel kind of ironic. Hopefully you get paid either way!
Not pop-punk but I want to remind you of the banger of a line "You tell your boyfriend that if he got beef, that Im a vegetarian and I ain't fucking scared of him"
Gabi’s commitment to using footage where the mic did not pick up here singing classic cringes instead of re-shooting or re-conceptualising is one of the reasons I continue to watch her videos
Nah bro it’s bound to happen when you call yourself pop punk when punk is a movement against the norms of the mainstream and conformity and pop is all about conforming to get into the mainstream
As a dad in his very early 40's, who has been a Panic fan for 20 years, I felt attacked by your assessment of their cringy lyrics. You were absolutely right but I still felt attacked.
As a sudo-parent who raised my now 20yr old twin brothers, I firmly believe MCRs _teenagers_ was trying to warn us abt teenagers, not the adults controllong them. 😂
@@SaintShion considering gerard wrote the song after witnessing a group of teens on the subway and being scared of them, this seems a fair assessment 😂
Yeah, like, emo has definitely gone far from like Sunny Day Real Estate, emo sounds more like what 2000’s electronic pop sounded like, just a bit moodier, still the same stereotypically attractive people singing it though. Something’s don’t change I guess.
@@jackisnthereipromise Well, Sunny Day Real Estate is playing the "Best Friends Forever Fest", a mega festival in vegas, THIS YEAR with a huge lineup of what I would call "90s midwest emo" bands (The lineup includes: Bright Eyes, Rainer Maria, Cap'n Jazz, The Anniversary, American Football, The Get Up Kids, Piebald, plus a bunch of other bands)...so maybe there IS a "resurgence of emo"?
It’s so cool to hear you talk about music. I completely agree that mixes nowadays in rock are way too processed/compressed it just strips the natural character of the singer’s voice and makes the whole thing way less clear
do you have any theories on why Canada produces such a disproportionate number of music and film stars? Most of them are pretty great; obviously there's always going to be the Nickelbacks and the Biebers but you can't do much about that I suppose. But yeah it's a small population and there's nothing in your culture that screams "we make artists", yet that's exactly what happens. Any thoughts?
@@idontwantahandlethough this is an interesting question. its weird people are always surprised when actors or musicians are canadian like Ryan Gosselin for example. Music and the arts in general are a really big part of canadian culture and i think maybe because so many of our artists stay in canada the rest of the world doesnt hear about them and i think people just dont realize how many artists are actually canadian. I learn actors or musicians are Canadian all the time and im like wtf? Then theres artists that are international like the tragically hip and bryan adams that are huuuuge in canada but not nearly as big in the states idk what that says. i always think were a lottttt like the UK. As well as being very multicultural a lot of our musicians are french, indigenous, indian ect
@@idontwantahandlethough The music one is actually very easy to explain. There is a law in Canada that all radio stations must play at least 35% Canadian music. So, basically every 1/3 songs needs to be from a Canadian artist on the radio up here. This means a lot of artists who would get absolutely zero radio play get a chance because Radio stations are desperate to fill the Cancon (what the law is called) quotas. When those artists blow up locally, partly because of this law, that talent is then noticed by major music labels down south. There's no language barrier and are pop culture is very similar to American pop culture so it's easy for bands that have already shown to be popular here to transition to the bigger American market. Thus, an outsized number of Canadian bands/artists hitting it big.
Canada gave us Rush, Voivod, DOA and Nomeansno (just off the top of my head). I will always have a soft spot for Canada, even if my Canadian ex wife is not my favorite person
"Listened to back then" Oh, Gabi.. That's still a solid 40% if the music I listen to today! MCR, Darkest Days, P!ATD, Green Day, Linkin Park, love em all
Whats wrong with bad girls club tho i dont get it i havent really seen ronnie trying to put on a fake persona or anything (i dont listen to this emo stuff so i wouldent know please inform me)
@@otsonuutilainen6489 omg you're missing all the lore... someone isn't a brad taste in music watcher 😭 ronnie radke is like a garbage human being who beat up his ex wife (or gf?) and was arrested for his involvement in the shooting of a minor. and got all rock bands banned from six flags because he threw a microphone stand at a girl in the crowd for no reason. he's also a huge fan of tom mcdonald, who's a grifter that espouses right wing talking ponts, bullies people online, makes fun of trans people and acts like a giant man baby. beyond that, falling in reverse is just mad tacky. his voice was super fake and overenuciated just to play into the pop punk aesthetic (which he admitted) and one of their albums has a album cover of a girl in crazy short shorts and he said he made it just to be commercially popular. their first two albums quite possibly can be considered some of the worst aged ones of the early 2010s especially with his goofy rapping. 😭
I think a huge part of why this wave of emo music is less emotionally affecting isn't only because "it hits different when you're in your 20s", but importantly also that there isn't really a culture tied to the music anymore. music genre used to play a lot more into how you dressed daily, who you hung out with, and the place you saw yourself in society. this definitely had downsides, but also added a lot of depth and shared in-group experience to the music! today's emo has been aestheticized - it's currently more about a vibe, a mood, rather than a whole community and culture
YES. My partner’s youth was a b boy in the 90s, mine was an emo/scene kid in the 2000’s, and we talked about how there used to be a whole culture and community tied to these music genres. People just listen to the music now or dress the part, but it isnt like you’re part of a community with its own culture like it was back in the day.
In short - It just doesnt work on the Internet, you have to Sit in a shitty Park and blast Music over your shitty bluetooth speakers with other people who are deeply unhinged and weird and then you have an actual subculture. It just aint the same if you only do it on the internet
The way TX2 and similar artists market it as well is all formulaic. Which makes it feel far less authentic. TX2 uses the same sort of zoom in every tiktok he makes for a song and also very often puts his hand up to his mouth and says something "controversial." As a result it just feels like some product that consume and not something of much substance. Which is also why it comes across as an aesthetic rather than a genuine expression.
If your music taste was that much of your identity, you were a loser. I guess it kinda echos teens making their gender their identity now. People with nothing interesting and no hobbies will make random shit their whole personality
It’s “could care less” because it’s supposed to say “I guess that kind of interesting, I care a little bit about it but not a whole lot overall” and then people messed it up by using it in scenarios where they didn’t care at all instead of times when they found it mildly interesting.
@@Currentlyprocrastinating37 no, it genuinely is supposed to be "I couldn't care less". It's pretty much a non-sweary way of saying "I couldn't give a flying f*ck". It doesn't make sense if you're using "could" and mean it to mean you actually do care but not very much, because why would you even say that? In what possible context would that have become a common saying? Like "they care a little bit" in Teenagers just straight up sounds like nonsense.
Everyday I live in fear that one of my favourite songs will catch the attention of TikTok. I wake up in a cold sweat at night, begging for TikTok's gaze to fall elsewhere.
i think a lot of the issue with tiktok emo/alt music is a lot of it lacks actual substance or memorability, it all feels very surface level, samey and a lot of the artists treat emo as more costumey instead of an actual subculture
I think it lacks authenticity most of the time. Before, things happened to go viral. Now people make things with the intention of them going viral, and everything viral is meant to grab your attention just to sell you something. That makes people take the easy route of copying what was famous before, instead of actually creating something new and unique inspired by what came before.
This is my main beef with it too, a lot of it just has no authenticity whatsoever. They’re just cynically adopting the aesthetic without any care for the actual music or the culture
the emo/alt/punk scene back then was so much more gritty and real than anything we see on tiktok. like when you think of my chemical romance there was some real shit going on there, it wasn’t all pretty. even if these bands did end up under a label they went thru a lot of shit before that and continued to go thru it. theres also the less mainstream bands that continued playing in dingy moldy basements where everyone was high on who knows what and hadnt showered in who knows how long bc they lived in a punk house with no running water lol
HOW. Just how. How do people like it so much I do not get it. A song that repeats “ThIs iS wHy I dOn’T lEaVe ThE hOuSe” over and over beat out Belinda Says by Alvvays for the Grammy for best alternative performance and I just.. do not understand.
22:02 “People just didn’t want him to be the face of why emo music was coming back.” NAILED IT! My dislike for Machine Gun Karen came when he said in an interview that emo/punk wasn’t about being comfortable. That he would wear shoes that hurt for the aesthetic. When, in fact, emo was pretty much all about being your own EMOtional self without regards to what others think of you, or that punk wore what they wanted as self expression and not bc it “looked cool.” He was and continues to be the biggest poser in the industry imo.
One thing to point out is that the emo aestetic we're seeing on ticktock feels like the most extreme version of it. A lot of the biggest bands in emo at that time weren't that deep into alternative fashion. It was a lot more self conscious than that, like they had the skinny jeans and the eyeliner and the fringe, but like there was way more restraint, because they were people experimenting and dabbling in an aestetic. There was a lot more variety i felt, it feels like every new emo act i see is like instantly full black veil brides
@@TheDarthWannabe I guess but like idk where I grew up, none one really used the word scene. And if we talk about the bands being called back to by this new emo wave, it is the scene bands
@@synthiandrakonThe black clothes and color hair is definitely scene or goth. People these days completely get emo wrong. Emo was literally regular Tshirt and jeans band like Taking Back Sunday, Jimmy Eat World, or Saves the Day singing sad songs. There was no aesthetic. And almost every band people claim are emo is just pop punk or hardcore. MGK is pop punk, no way in hell is it emo. The loud attention seeking look/sound is literally the opposite of what emo music was about. It basically introverts letting their EMOtions out.
I said this in another comment, but also pertinent here: those pop punk bands ALL dressed like skaters. Avril had a skater aesthetic in her first album. Simple Plan, some screamo bands, every single band that had a song in a rom-com movie from the 00's AND FREAKING SMASH MOUTH - all dressed like skaters. The more extreme of those I THINK was Tokio Hotel, and even then it was mostly the vocalist; his twin brother who also played in the band had a full-on skater vibe all the time. Emo was that same vibe, but dramatic/depressed. And the girls who listened to those bands were the ones bringing in the fun stuff (clashing hair textures, fun colors and/or patterns in hair and clothing, exaggerated makeup) and therefore because the face of the style. THAT'S what these guys are emulating now, not what they would have dressed like back then.
@@LunaWitcherArtI agree with everything you said except the brother in Tonio Hotel. He was dressing like a rapper, not a skater. And its funny that you mention bands emulating skaters because girls are all basically dressing as skaters from the 90s. I skated growing up, girls literally dress how I dressed in the 90s. Oversized jeans, big shoes, flannels, and a beanie. We didnt wear thongs pulled up and sag our pants to show them off though. BUT we did wear shoelace belts that looked like thongs so maybe that's where they got it
The bigger problem is less that it's "cringe" and more that individuality/community is dying overall. So many things are amalgamations of each other that its killing these things. Everything is starting to look and feel like waiting in line at the DMV with a bag of low-salt, low-calorie pringles. No genuine creativity, and what is genuine is having its soul beaten out of it to appease an algorithm.
There’s plenty of originality depending on which circles you seek out, don’t worry I heard a new band just the other day called “Cogitations”, absolutely ferocious sound. So some form of the culture remains alive & well even now
That’s because originality and uniqueness have become a set aesthetic instead of a result of personal discovery. Originality used to come out of necessity and was a side effect, not a goal. Then it become a goal and people kept trying to push the envelope. Now that the envelope has been pushed and now kept in check by new social norms, the only thing left to do is emulate the superficial portions of that idea of uniqueness. So basically we’ll be stuck here until people get over themselves and use creativity for a new goal.
this problem is exactly why im making music now!!! i want a community to interact with that isnt so focused on optics or conformity!! that was what i used to love about the deep cringe of the past, it didnt feel like its steeped in irony
Isn't that something that has been going on for centuries technically? Emo is itself an offshoot from Goth subculture, which has it's roots in Punk and from older European styles considered Gothic and the ancient tribes famous for sacking Rome (Ostrogoths and Visigoths). As an artist myself, I've always been taught that originality never existed, and that what people can do is their own spin on things - but it doesn't negate that a lot of the things we enjoy now came standing on the shoulders of giants over the centuries.
Emo is happening everywhere in basements and living rooms, tiktok emo is so far removed from what emo really is that its basically a joke. Thats not a “REAL EMO IS ONLY THE DC HARDCORE” thing, but theres a certain genuineness that emo requires, that the goobers on tiktok aren’t pulling off.
exactly what i was thinking but 313hardcore lmao. do what u want i just don’t want them pretending they’re some brand new force and they personally brought emo back.
It’s not different than Fall Out Boy, MCR, Panic, etc. They were all the polished pop-friendly version of Emo music at the time. It’s always been this way that any semi-popular subgenre gets chewed up and spit out by the machine.
honestly i think people are overlooking how many pop-punk bands tried and failed to blow up at the same time as fall out boy and panic and the like. an artist who was posting all their work on myspace was likely trying to do the same thing as artists posting now on tiktok. sometimes people just make bad music. you dont need to listen to someones music just because they tell you to. being subject to an advertisement doesn't mean you have to give it your attention.
this, right here! i remember hearing a metric crap-ton of genuinely bad music on myspace. on the other side of that, though, there were also a ton of really good artists that never blew up or got signed, which is a huge bummer.
yeah... the filter has been blown off. now we see all the acts that aren't making it because they don't have to go thru a label, and it was never like that before
You could literally search up new good pop punk songs on Spotify, UA-cam, and bandcamp. I’m now listening to a new emo band called the requiem which sounds a lot like mcr
It's a bit different because their actual music wasn't foisted upon you unless you actually viewed their page. On TikTok you're going to experience the music via a snippet of a video which will take up the entirety of your screen. On MySpace it was just background music, which while still annoying was less of a problem to deal with. MySpace was primarily text based social messaging. TikTok is a video content delivery system. Even if you avoid a person by blocking them, they have hundreds of spambots reposting the video in a way that abides via the TOS so you're going to have to see the video whether you like it or not.
i agree that labels have always been responsible for pushing pop punk artists out there, but in the early noughties they were being discovered by playing shows in their local scenes, or later on by posting their music online on myspace. the music was the discovery, which led to the artist being signed. now, with tiktok, the artist is the discovery. labels are looking for the full package, and the music is secondary. artists have always had to put themselves out there to get signed, but now they have to continue that self promotion even after that point. the artists aren't the problem, the labels are.
It's very sad that the labels don't understand where they stand. They have the producers, the marketing team and the connections to make anything be successful, and yet they still make artists fend for themselves to pay for everything they lend them to make and promote music.
Yeah it was interesting I was watching a video on pop punk from the channel Punk Rock MBA the other day and he mentioned that the rise of the internet meant that music, and the hardcore scene in particular, stopped being so NY/LA centric. You had teens in Ohio uploading music online and getting discovered without having to first move out to the coasts. I thought of that both when Gabbi mentioned everyone in pop punk talking about hating their hometown (lol) but also in how she said everything nowadays is so LA centric. It’s shifted back to a focus on the coasts, but instead of that coming with a focus on building the music community like in the past, it’s now hyperindividualized, with the artist and the personal brand taking priority over the music
Literally this. Like a lot of the emo acts had their own local followings. The conflation of "industry plants" and "label backed" isn't at all the right correlation.
hi gabi, we're yet another modern emo/pop punk band getting lost in the noise. just want to say thank you for this video. it's super accurate from our experience and it's nice to have the landscape of things so well presented. it's a weird time man. use trends to get traction, but be original, promote your music, but not too much. i think most modern bands accept we're never going to be the next nirvana or mcr, there's just so much oversaturation and those with money or connections are only getting bigger slices of the pie. i know it all sounds rather doom and gloom, but there's a beautiful irony here. it all gives us something to get really emo about. and hopefully that leads to great music. sure it won't get listened to by the masses, but as a kid all it took was one great song by one great band to keep me going. that's what matters.
as someone who got REALLY into dubstep early on, and then to the emo-rap scene early, i feel like this is simply a pattern that emerges when any genre gains more traction than it typically has. eventually, we make music because we want to, for us. i think we'll be okay
i just checked out your music on spotify, and the top 10 anime betrayals song is literally just this concept lyrics-wise lol. +1 new listener for you guys 😁
Sorry for the many comments, but I'm writing as I watch the video. Two more thoughts: - Weirdly enough, this is a trend that doesn't only happen in English-speaking TikTok. The first time I came across this was a Russian artist on Instagram reels and I thought it was some crazy, bizarre one-off, so this video blew my mind. - I don't know why, while listening to your point about soulless skinwalker emo, I thought of the line by From First to Last, "I'll wear your skin as a suit, pretend to be you, your friends will like you more than they used to," but speaking about the emo genre. - Speaking of From First to Last, it's also sad (but understandable) how bands of the glory days of emo are now trying their damndest to make emo music, even if they grew out of it, and it's also not great. It seems that emo was a moment in time that is kind of gone, but everybody tries to recreate. Like an AI who has only examples of what it was like, and produces the closest approximation of what it thinks it was, which is a strange collage of the examples, but fails to truly capture the essence, and results in a distorted, incomplete, and not fully believable rendition of the genre. Also, the original target audience is older, and the new target audience grew up in a different context. It's such an interesting topic to discuss! Thanks for the video!!
yeah i absolutely love ptv so much and one main reason is that they genuinely have saved me and gotten through life so far. i’ve struggled since i can’t remember with low self esteem, low self worth, etc. and they really helped me feel seen
When youve been in the alt scene for over 20 years its really easy to spot whos wearing an "emo costume" and who actually looks like that on a daily basis.
I don't hate mgk for making people think pop punk is cringe. I hate him because he's a creep and seemingly has built his image around being bargain bin Lil Peep
Instagram Reels has shockingly recommended me a ton of great indie bands in the last couple of months. Like actual produced and polished stuff compared to the slapdash aesthetic thievery of TikTok pop-punk/emo stuff. It almost feels like a new version of MTV, but on my phone.
@@zkkitty2436 Got me into Faye Webster and The Chats. Webster has had some larger success over the years, but the first time I'd ever heard about The Chats.
I don't know if you've heard any of his stuff but Illenium recently made an album called Illenium (I mentioned it in another comment) that was rated as mostly Rock/metal and it's more so a collection of his recent singles from a few years ago till now. It's such a good album that I haven't gotten tired of it yet. I could probably listen to Shivering with Spiritbox 30 times in the same day and I wouldn't be mad. And the album has some pretty good features. Like Avril Lavigne and All Time Low and a metal band I don't know anything about called Motionless In White. Sorry if it seems too vague but I'm not fully into this genre, I just so happen to really enjoy this album.
The worst thing is the new emo crowd cannot write. like for example, black wedding (tx2) is basically like a worse version than mcr’s to the end. (possibly gay closeted man marrying straight woman, things not working out). & he leans too much on mcr for it to be coincidence. the only thing missing in black wedding is the murder and drugs (so, the interesting shit lmao). and pierce the veil has some pretty good writing, the new wave trying to capture their audience just doesn’t have the same musical or lyrical skill of a lot of the older bands.
honestly, as a gigging recording musician of over 15 years - that's never been true. People just obscure the whole "who did I know" part of the upcoming story because it feels less rock n roll. Elvis didn't blow up because he was the best rock n roll singer out there - He blew up because record executives believed that white audiences would be more receptive to that kind of music if it was coming from a white guy instead of the black musicians that made the damn stuff. It's always been who you know. The bootstraps meritocracy has always been a myth, I'm sorry to tell you. Every legendary band that built empires of sound stand on a mountain of corpses made of bands in the genre who were endlessly more interesting and talented, but ultimately less connected.
i dont know if how interesting a band is is ever connected to their place in the industry. some brilliant minds get in or are even plants- some trash never gets outa their bedroom with it- the dark world bias makes us assume the most negative result is prollyt he most realistic- when in truth even the evil basterds who run things arent perfectly evil nor do they always seek to do underhanded shit. bootstrap myth aside you learned the wrong lesson here.@@ryanburke1656 a good act is a good act- where it came from or how hard it was is just happenstance of being in this soupy mess society always is. the same rules apply for bad- after all those profit chasers wouldnt want to purposefully have a sour act on their label. that means they want in on interest curve too thats where ya get signs like gorillaz or em, rage and greenday ect. they were allowed to rock the boat alil even from a decently powerful label. would that happen if more interesting acts dont get to have success just cause theyre not connected? wouldnt a good act eventually get connected anyway? how much of blowing up even is just the profit chasing? some of it is audience retention- they can only keep up with at best a small handful of musical acts. and if youre super dedicated to even one of em they can easily dominate your entire listening history. that adds to why every act thats good doesnt always get big too- they might be perfectly relatable crushingly fitting for your playlist and you simply never find em not cause a lack of ads or connections but simply cause you already have your favs and you dont feel the need to explore as much. audience habits are the first filter- and the most meaningful.
As a former emo kid, I feel like a big part of why people hate new emo/punk/grunge music so much is that it reminds us of how alt subcultures have been taken over by consumerism. Like, being punk or grunge in the 70s-90s actually meant something about your political beliefs and morals. I was emo in the early 2010s, when the popularity of the subculture had kind of died down, but I feel like there was still an element of shared culture, experiences, and beliefs, especially on platforms like tumblr. A lot of these subcultures were explicitly anti-capitalist, and served as a safe space for people that were queer or had mental health issues. So, I think people are frustrated at the fact that these "industry plant" musicians can just decide to become emo/punk one day, and buy the clothes from shein, without having to learn about the values and histories of those subcultures. I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on these musicians, but I understand people's frustration that being emo/punk has become more about aesthetics and what clothes you buy than an actual lifestyle. Especially when most of these new emo/punk musicians aren't doing anything new with the genres. Like, I think a lot of people forget just how diverse these genres used to be. When I was emo, my favorite bands were My Chemical Romance, Panic at the Disco, and Pierce the Veil, and even though they all fall into the "emo" category, they have incredibly different sounds. But yea, considering the fact that the unofficial emo slogan was "It's not a phase, it's a lifestyle", this whole thing just makes me feel kind of sad.
Idk if thats really so much it, maybe in parts idk . like the discussion of bands calling themselves punk when practically almost no bands today are actually punk, is a completely different one. The actual political side of music has been almost insignificant for such a long time. the whole thing about nu metal and emo music is that they were really not political at all which made them so accessible. like rage against the machine is a big expectation here but they were kinda the last big real punk band
@@joTheBonas I mean I'm 23, so I'm mainly talking about people around my age who were into the emo/punk scene in the 90s through the early 2010s. I completely agree that the political aspect of alt music has been fading away for decades, but (at least in my circles) it was still a pretty big part of the culture up until the mid 2010s. I think that the genres were much less explicitly anti-capitalist in the 2000s, but I do remember a lot of focus being put fighting stigma relating to queerness and mental health, which was still pretty revolutionary for that time. And personally, the whole focus on "posers" felt like the community was at least trying to keep corporate entities out of the subculture. Obviously there are a bunch of different causes for why people dislike the new emo/punk musicians, but as someone that's still in the alt community, the things in my first comment are some of the most popular complaints that I've heard from talking to people about this topic. But yeah, to be fair, my parents are into punk/grunge music, so growing up with it probably impacted the way that I viewed the subcultures as a whole.
@@dillpickle-no9hl I do think Tumblr changed things though. I was more into emo subculture in the myspace era (though I personally wasn’t on it) and things were very much not political. I think you could even argue that Tumblr was the bigger political influence in that equation that emo
ur emo song is lowkey a bop. also, i agree, there is defiantly some amazing talent on tiktok. i found an indie band by the name of "Tiger really" i really enjoy thier music. its fresh, but also emulates old emo in a way.
I agree w/ other comments that it definitely feels like they're putting on a costume. all the classic punk bands used what they had and a style naturally emerged, 00s emo & pop punk typically only had one guy that really committed to the Look. Like ffs the lead singer of one of the biggest pop punk bands was known for wearing a trucker hat & their little sister band went full 70s beatles overnight. Even the Clash was doing reggae half the time. It's not so much the sound or look as the authenticity of their beliefs, emotions & messages, and we live in a progressively more inauthentic and irony poisoned culture where it's more hard to come by
What bands do you mean when you say trucker hat and 70s beatles? I thought you mightve meant blink182 for the first one but I'm not sure about the second one
I assure you that if you, like me, were listening while driving, you would've been thinking your Bluetooth was fucking up and you'd be ready to throw your phone out the window. I did not appreciate that bit 😂😂😂
I'm sorry but that song you did in the end kinda slaps 😭 the writing (not the lyrics but the arrangement and production) was better than some tiktok musicians ngl
Then you are in the same boat than those fans in TikTok, the only difference is that somehow people watching essays think that they are more informed and intelligent than those dumb people in TikTok....
I literally came to to the comment section to say the same thing lol. I expected it to end way sooner and have way more repetitive choruses especially because it was satirical but then she just kept going and going and adding more and it all stayed on point and added to the joke lol.
Gabi, sister, you fucking rock. Not only are you confident enough to get up and just sing in your own room for us, you're confident enough to *publish it even if it cuts off completely* and I will forever respect that level of absolute chadness.
Like what you like. I think it’s always good when you like something. I hate emo but I think people should enjoy life and not worry about how deep their music is.
People get nostalgic for past music so absolutely. I'm actually surprised people are now being nostalgic over generic recession pop from the 2010s nowadays even though they're corny af but it reflects a better time back then for most.
No, not unless it is something that truly resignated with you from the beginning so much and etc 😅 I never really liked Emo music that much but everything else in between literally except maybe Pop Punk & Black Metal I don't like that stuff as much honestly and only got like one band down that I really like and have listened to a lot now being Batushka.
The emo song "we are prince and princess.." whatever is basically the same song as kings and queens by 30 seconds to mars.. We are the kings and queens of promise...
idk how I just found this channel but i'm cracking up here. I hung out with emo kids in highschool and this takes me back. the early emo/myspace days can't be recreated
The improvement of home recording ability is both a blessing and a curse, and part of what forces the 'inauthentic nature' of the aforementioned TikTok emo/pop-punk. I spent many months in the studio with various rock, punk, and metal bands over three different decades, in myriad different roles (from engineer to production to writer to session musician). Studio time used to be a limited resource, and so there simply wasn't enough time or money to have everyone nail every single part of every single song to perfection. Because of this, there's always a little roughness and sloppiness on even the most well-performed of records. That's why these things felt more authentic - everything felt like it was performed by an actual human, with their flaws and imperfections. There was a certain chaos to recording sessions, which heavily influenced the album's sound. It's quite obvious that the TikTok music being pushed isn't just overproduced - it's _over-protected_. Every vocal line is re-recorded until each note is perfect, and if not it's corrected until it _is_. Each rhythm guitar is repeated over and over until each chord has the exact same dynamics with no errant string nor pick noise, unless that specific section needs the noise when in that case the noise is punched in and copy-pasted for perfection every time. Every lyric is chosen specifically so it can be easily lip-read when someone mimes it on a UA-cam short. Mildly controversial or offensive lyrics are discarded before they even hit the page (good luck on any modern pop-punk band releasing a song like "Happy Holidays You Bastard" or "My Vagina". Even the "small independent artists" are terribly guilty of this. And don't get me started on how 'self-produced' music ends up being short-hand for "I can't take feedback nor direction well". In the search of being the next 'viral' hit, these musicians have sacrificed the human connection of their music for glossy robotic tat, in a way that has no precedent compared to anything recorded before 2002.
Same thing kinda happens with movies. You look at old Doctor Who, and it looks so different because the lighting wasn't studio lights and green screens, they're actually standing in a field somewhere in Britain lit up by the sun.
@@brion_aiota if you can convince UA-cam to design their mobile app to not be a buggy piece of shit, then your patience will be rewarded. Until then you will have to make do with some grammatical errors and my entire lack of giving a damn
"And don't get me started on how 'self-produced' music ends up being short-hand for "I can't take feedback nor direction well". " you spent one half of your comment saying that hammering perfections out is taking something vital out of music- but then were supposed to care about criticisms? if mistakes are art and perfection the enemy of soul than criticism obviously fits team B there. cant have it be that dichotomic- in truth our tastes are arbitrary and criticisms are both pointless and cant be constructive. how often ive heard someone say a song they hated became bigger in their audience is proof of that. every act seems to have that song. no genre nor act and no artist can be perfect anyway- so the idea that theyve over produced is much like saying over/under rated. its not rated- you just dont agree with consensus- which in of itself is a meaningless taste and not indicative of value. the myth of musical soul is espoused by people too cowardly to admit that liking or not liking a noise and how we organize them is not even gradable. Gabba and noise are genres. none of this ever meant shit- the communities grow cause they can vibe with the emotions they made themselves. we can learn how to take advantage of common responces- but punk never relied on skill or talent- it was always mindlessly yelling about frustrations. finding the others lost and screaming with them. it only makes sense that that appeals to a very particular person. but all the reasons we think art works- we come up with after the fact- same with every taste- you didnt like your favorite color until you found excuses to emphasis it. mines green- but why? cause the hockey team i root for wears it- lukes lightsaber is that color, the goddamn trex in jurrassic park- all things important to specefically me thus green became my color. specefically the sea and teal shades- i like the ocean. but none of these greens inspire me to like green- i noticed they were green and gave em extra attention because of that. after all im from dallas- and i also like football- so why not blue or silver a color scheme famous in my home city? cause my arbitrary taste was set first. its just an emotional responce by the brain. it picks these non-useful comparisons to excuse its bias' not to explain its setting.
not only that , but she doesn't know what emo music is. what she showed was only punk-rock. if she was to any rock concert lately she will know that there are bands still running like My chemical romance, 30 seconds to mars(man i hate Jared and his brother) , BMTH(people say he is metalcore, but probably they never listened to metalcore) , of mice and men, asking alexandria are one of the last ones i saw in the last year. I also saw avril, greenday, sum41, offspring etc but they are not emo . Also punk rock was more like an opposing gendre to emo, it was , joyous, full of energy. Emo was depressing , sad, made you feel like dying. The fact that she is 26 is also an indication of the fact that she never experienced emo period(at best the end of it) . For me, metal core was the thing that got most of the emo and not punk rock.
@@danielstan2301 somebody named their band after of mice and men...the book...that everyone knows 'cause their white english teacher loves emphasising the n-word???? that's new. Also, didn't she say at the start she was going to talk about punk-rock but she's using other labels as it draws inspirations from other genres
I was gonna comment this. 2000s emo largely blew up on MySpace. The genre is so synonymous with MySpace that emo nights at local clubs are oftentimes dubbed “MySpace Nite”.
9:54 I'm from the same town as a major pop punk band, and every time they had a line like (example) "pull me out of this sinking town," I was like... but I like this town... :(
Gotta say, I was avoiding this video because of how important my Emo phase was in my teens to early 20s. I'm not on Tiktok so I didn't know about all this so call resurgence. Seeing those made me think right away that they'vr turned Emo into some caricature (and it's awesome that you said this minutes after I thought of it). That's just heartbreaking. But thanks also for pointing out that there are truly authentic artists who are making emo/ alternative their own and actually do make good music with it.
The bright side is that emo, and alternative culture in general, is becoming more accepted in our society. We should never go back to the days where simply being goth or emo would get you bullied, ostracized, and your life ended too soon (through your own hand or others). For every "alt" kid of the 90s and 00s who felt isolated or misunderstood, there's a person right now who doesn't have to go that pain and isolation thanks to social media platforms making it easier than ever to learn about other subcultures.
@@writteninstarsI don’t think it’s becoming more accepted… on social media sure but half those on tiktok only do it for the videos and dress “normal” in public I still see so many video of goths and emos still being shamed and it’s heartbreaking but it’s even more heartbreaking witnessing people in the alt scene bully each other
The emo scene had plenty of cringy duds 15+ years ago. We just live in the future where everything is slightly worse than what came before it (photocopy of a photocopy basically)
The disconnect that some of the best emo bands back in the day dressed like the BIGGEST skater boys and not at all like the emo FANS dressed... like, my country had some pretty big national bands at the time and they ALL DRESSED LIKE SKATERS.
Emo originated as a term refering to hardcore bands that had 'emotional' lyrics and performances. It was kinda a derogatory term, and bands like rites of spring hated it. But the skate fashion originally comes from the hardcore orgins of 'emo' music. Hardcore bands/skaters emulated west coast street wear (cargo pants, high socks, ect). Hardcore and skating kinda goes hand in hand.
@KikiKhaosCat i remember learning about this when I was into hardcore. when Rites of Spring got labeled "emotional hardcore, " Ian MacKaye said something like, "... What, like Minor Threat isn't fu*kin' emotional?" That quote got me to start aprichating emo. I was like "oh, it turns out I'd been listening to emo the whole time." yes I'm aware of the irony of me censoring my swear words.
luckkyyyy! I hated Fall Out Boy at the time cause I was a 14 year old boy and that wasn't "cool", but listening to it now I TOTALLY get why people like them.. I'd even say I kinda like them myself! Very catchy, very angsty
Not me LITERALLY practicing the vocals and chords to "Lying Is The Most Fun A Girl Can Have Without Taking Her Clothes Off" MOMENTS before watching this video. I STILL have the ultimateguitar tab open. HUMILIATING
_"i'll CRASH my car and RUN AWAY WITH YOU"_ goes so hard it instantly made me think of someone and made me shiver with the angst of wanting to fuck off with them that I hadn'tn't felt since back then way to go gabi
LOL, really liked the "blink or mgk" segment. blink is my second-favorite band ever, i know all their songs by heart. didn't fool me a bit, but it was fun!
I was thinking something similar. Sure there is an influence, but you clearly hear a difference. At least in the clips she played. I haven’t actually listen to Mgk 😅
I also feel like the blink ones are more distinct from the mgk ones by how the guitar/bass sounds, to me instantly recognizable. Or maybe it’s just because I’ve listened to blink more that I can just tell.
Industry plant and industry backed are two different things. Plants are manufactured by a label (usually from the ground up) and formed into a look or sound to try to make a commercial hit and usually lie about the connections or push they got or gave. Industry backed is something found by or signed by a label/producer/etc. and supported in their (potential) growth but not hiding any of their connections if they had any (most do/did).
The worst part about this phase of emo music is that all the Barker produced stuff getting popular is such a bad example of what the genre can actually produce noawadays. Pop punk and emo never went away it just lost popularity so there are still so many great bands like The Story So Far, Hot Mulligan and The Wonder Years (to name a few) who have carried on that torch and evolved their sound - some more than others - while the artists backed by Barker all sound similar and are all trying to imitate a sound that doesn't really exist anymore.
Dude, The Story So Far, Hot Mulligan, and The Wonder Years were my top 3 artists on spotify last year hahaha. Those three bands are automatic recommendations any time someone asks me about alternative music
i was just talking about this with my partner while watching the video! emo never went away! it feels like tiktok needs to "rediscover" everything they try to imitate. music, fashion, it's always gotta be new or "revived" so that it has a chance go viral :\
as an emo teenager currently, alot of us still listen to the music from the 00's and the 90's, and those mentioned in the video are mainly a minority of scenemo kids today, i feel like were more on tumblr and spacehey (a myspace replica) but yeah tiktok 'emo' is like a whole different thing to me
The only reason I could tell was because of the production, the MGK stuff was way too clean and heavily quantized to be blink, and if it didn't sound overproduced to high heaven I went with blink, the production was really the only clear difference
The whole thing about how authentic punk is is kinda funny to me cause two of the early big punk bands, The Clash and the Sex Pistols, were basically formed by their managers who made decisions about their look and stuff to market them better. The whole reason Sid Vicious was in the band was because the manager liked his look, he could barely play bass
Although those bands clearly were influential, I think I way prefer the DIY culture that appeared in their wake. I'd much rather listen to Black Flag, Minutemen, DOA or any number of bands that really did take control of their music. None of these bands really had designs of being huge and rather were driven by the urge to create music.
@johnchedsey1306 Minutemen reference spotted, I press like. Makes me so happy Mike Watt still tours with several bands, saw him with MSSV last year. It was great. Totally different type of music but check out Chat Pile, another really cool up and coming band who just started touring outside their local area (OKC)
as someone who is into the DIY punk and goth scenes myself, even hearing pop punk get called "alternative" is weird to me. when she said "every genre has industry backing" i was like💀no not really @@johnchedsey1306
for me the difference its that back then, we found in emo music and community a place to be ourselves despite what the rest of society judged, it was like "i can be alone and hated in my family but i'm in a whole lifestyle of people who feel the same", right now things are pretty different and kids dont go trought all the stuff we passed in school and other situations that defined us as alternatives and outsiders. being "emo" now is cool on tiktok, being emo then was weird and this defined all the feelings we had that made we listen this kinda music! it did make sense to listen to a song that talks about feeling lonely when you were bullied for wearing black at school, we needed to feel understood and teenagers now have a lot more support with their feelings, at that point depression wasnt even a public discussed topic so we had to seek help and understanding throught music so, that being said, "emo" music now feels really superficial cause it doenst have this appeal that had in the past
Unfortunately, this kind of bullying is very much still happening. My friends and I were very much made fun of due to being alternative When I was at school (this was only a couple years back) I was wearing a wig that covered up one of my eyes. I was cosplaying as a character from a show I really liked and since his outfit was very conventional and looked like it could be an everyday outfit, so I wore it school. In the hallway, some kids were literally poking at me, but I didn't know if I was imagining it and I couldn't see them since one of my eyes were covered and the hallway was crowded. When I was going into my classroom one of the two boys BARKED at me before laughing and running into his classroom (which was right across the hall). (Side note: I just laughed in the kid's face because it was so stupid XD) I told my teacher whose class I was going to (who was also the guitar teacher) and he spoke about it to the teacher who had that kid for class. Apparently the teacher was also my old English teacher who was not only really nice, but I also got along well with (I was a senior during all of this). They called the mom of the kid who barked at me and I was told that the kid said he did it because he wanted to be accepted by his friend. Something similar happened two weeks later when I had on a short, white wig, black and white stripped long sleeve shirt, and Invader Zim shirt, and studded belt. As soon as I stepped out of my classroom to go to lunch, a boy and a girl who were walking by and the boy barked at me. I chased them down and was yelling at them to "get back here," but they ran into the crowded hallway. Never knew who they were, even after filing a complaint with the school. Pretty sure they were the same people who were standing in the corner of the stairwell and laughing at my goth attire back in October (which led me to make a rant drawing, which is why I think it was them as they looked similar to the doodle XD) TLDR: This is very much still happening in schools. Emo is still not considered "cool" by the large majority. I've had multiple alt friends of mine tell me how the exact same thing was happening to them. To be fair though, it's not like our school gave a crap anyway (It is worth mentioning that the school did jack all when kids were actually in danger or if they needed accommodations. They cared more about kids wearing hats than kids who had literal diagnosed PTSD. I'm not gonna trauma dump here because that would be very rude, so I'll just leave the post here 😅 The saddest part though: this was one of the best schools in the area.)
i agree, it's the same thing with goth and punk today, a lot of people hop on because they liek the aesthetic because gen z and gen alpha are so obsessed with "aesthetics" and trends. they fail to realise that for some people being goth/punk is a lifestyle, and for some being emo is a way of coping with mental illnesses and trauma.
@@sintura bro Emo was the first highly commercialized “alternative” trend. OG emo was just wearing striped sweaters and listening to a band like Jawbreaker. Brands then realized they could and market an aesthetic.
3:28 I was totally prepared to defend the emo of 20 years ago as not cringe. But then you sung (beautifully I might add) some great examples of cringe emo moments and I happen to have all those songs saved and still sing my heart out to them *to this day!* 3:39 Preach! Thank you for bringing up the grammatical error in MCR’s ‘Teenagers’. Huge pet peeve in a song that I otherwise adore. ❤
i saw tx2 (the band being cringey on tiktok for publicity ) perform live as an opener for a show i went to and they were actually great! amazing energy, vibes, and overall message in terms of fighting for queer rights. def don't think they deserve any hate for trying to get their music out there.
Yes! I love TX2's music, I love the messages in so many of their songs, and I think the marketing is brilliant. So glad to see someone else who enjoyed them
actually?? i might have to actually look into who they are then not just the face value. i don’t keep up with them (especially the singer) but seeing that video gabi put in here made me wonder if he truly is just trying to get out there. i hope the hate on him dies out soon or he can at least shift gears bc the “cringe” route only works for so long and can actually ruin your chances of ever having a career
@@Chrryc0la he is, your probably have heard of scumbag dad? He's a satirical shorts yter and this singer was in some mocking his own tik toks and others like it genuinely funny stuff
I was going to say I found their videos cringey but with some very noticeable self awareness, TX2 has a fun sort of ironic charisma so I checked out the music and I love it. Hard hitting incredible lyrics? not really, but it is exactly what we used to bump with this old style, Hollywood undead for instance, much less hardcore than 13 year old me thought. They are sonically really pleasing and the music is just so vibey.
I'll always champion this, but there is SO MUCH talent in the DIY world. If you go to any city you'll find dozens of bands in pop punk/adjacent genres that are making fresh, interesting music who are just playing in basements and dive bars to 25 people. If you enjoy the sound, but want to support artists who are literally doing it all themselves, go try to find places with live music. I promise you'll find your new favorite band instead of listening to the same 5 artists from 20+ years ago. Plus you'll find a welcoming community and meet cool people too!
For real, if you're in a city check out your local scene, if you're not in a city drive to your nearest one on the weekend, theres so many people doing super cool stuff at a high level rn. I feel like post covid things really exploded in DIY, now 75% of the shows I go to are just friends bands. Also start a band and play shows, its so much fun and you meet great ppl
I second this. There’s a bunch of channels that people can subscribe to that have these types of scenes. The DIY is pushing music further, and I wished it gained more traction than the 15 - 25 year old bands, artists, and forgettable nostalgia - bait that are flooding the market right now.
agree with the conclusion!! i love surge of female-fronted punk bands (+ solo acts) this wave has delivered, too. honey revenge, hot milk, meet me @ the altar, stand atlantic, yours truly, etc
There’s also: glimmers, gold steps, daisy grenade, house parties, greywind, redhook, senses, and various others. Daisy Grenade even toured with FOB recently and are mentored by Pete
This is the comment I was looking for, thank you! I feel like women-fronted punk/emo/alt/whatever bands that aren't Paramore just get swept under the rug in this conversation and it's insane to me that they don't get the credit they deserve. Idk how close all of these are genre-wise but while we're shouting people out I wanna add Against the Current, Tonight Alive, As December Falls, Eat Your Heart Out, Icon For Hire, RØRY, and Rivals to name a few
Also Bambole di Pezza, they're an Italian all female punk band, they exist since 1997 but two of the original members recently reformed the band with 3 new and younger women as members and modernized their sound, they're so dope and while they mainly do songs in Italian they also have some songs in English.
by the way, i wanna add that johnnie guilbert was not a tiktok musician at all and has been doing music since before tiktok. johnnie didn't get popular off of tiktok. if you're familiar with the alternative/emo scene back in the early days of youtube, johnnie got popular because he lived with bryanstars and made videos with him. bryan interviewed HUGE bands. suggesting he is a tiktok musician kinda upsets me because he's actually an authentic emo, being emo since at least the early 2010s.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the pop punk resurgence we had back in the early to mid 2010s! So many great bands popped up, and it was like a completely fresh and different sound/genre from 90s-00's. Story So Far, Knucke Puck, Real Friends, Man Overboard, Neck Deep... It was a pop punk renaissance. If you haven't heard them, you should check them out!
That was my favorite era, alongside the ‘00s era. Crazy how overlooked and underrated it had become since the new decade started. So many great bands that pulled me through high school.
I met TX2 at a Noahfinnce concert two days ago in Toronto while on shrooms. Did not know who they were. Did not get merch or a picture, and instead just handed them 20 dollars and wandered away.
I now feel the need to recommend a few post-emo bands who are killing it right now. Origami Angel - My favorite band, period. Phenomenal punk/emo duo. I encourage anyone who likes emo to listen to Somewhere City at least once. Overtheweather - Super small, but mighty. Unique sound and just overall wonderful to listen to. Old Room is a great place to start. Spanish Love Songs - Lyricism, vocals, everything; just fantastic. I recommend Brave Faces, Everyone the most. Mom jeans. - I'm sure a lot of people know these guys already. They rock. Best Buds is a fantastic album. I really don't know if this comment will be found, but these guys deserve all the support in the world.
I’d like to add Meet Me @ The Altar to this list! As a longtime Hispanic emo, nothing lit up my heart more than an all female, all poc pop punk band. The singer’s voice is perfect for the genre and their shows have such a diverse audience!
I think a big piece missing with the resurgence-- is that there's no culture. Without the culture, it's very obvious that it is a trend that is going to disappear in 3 months. I can only speak from my experience but, I was part of the emo culture from middle school through high school in a small town. A lot of kids in the group had rough things going on at home and weren't doing the best in school. But though music, and with their friends, they felt like they could be heard. Also, no one is talking about music sharing! Back when we had Limewire and CD's, we would ask our friends to load up our iPod with their library. I remember trading CDs of Breaking Benjamin and Seether with a girl with Marilyn Manson and some EDM mix tap she made. I uploaded them, and returned them-- rinse and repeat lol. Everyone would do their exchanges at the smoking area of our high school. Now, it's not as inter-personal. If there is a scene resurgence, it seems very lonely.
Yeah that was one thing i wish she'd have actually mentioned. Pop punk IS NOT the same scene as punk for MANY reasons. The fact that she lumped all them together just because something like Wikipedia told her a band was more then one genre is beyond me. Most if not all the bands she mentioned are pop punk and as someone from the punk scene, none of us clamed them as actual punk kids, mostly because they didnt participate in the punk scene and would go as far to say punk music was just noise. She was a pop punk kid clearly, which is fine, i loved a lot of pop punk bands, but its not the same as punk and theres a big reason why we keep saying it.
i couldn’t put my finger on it before, but that’s exactly it! it’s literally just aesthetics now and not cultural, no nuanced thought involved. i’m fully aware i’m an old man yelling at the clouds but the kids are just being sold trash. it’s the most inorganic movement i’ve seen in a long time.
Alright, you can hate me, but i deadass love TX2. He does a lot for mental health awareness, and I'm sorry, but his music goes hard. Met him after a concert, really sweet guy.
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23:44 I only got one wrong, to be fair I KNOW blinks guitar tone like Cajuns know the bayou
Your song at the end was excellent, affectionate parody at its best!
You sold me on the free version. Although paying for a premium subscription for an app which is all about reducing your monthly recurring subscription would feel kind of ironic. Hopefully you get paid either way!
Not pop-punk but I want to remind you of the banger of a line "You tell your boyfriend that if he got beef, that Im a vegetarian and I ain't fucking scared of him"
I love that line. 3OH3 are dirtbags, but that shit will always be hilarious.
Cringeeee
yep!
It’s at least Pop punk adjacent I’d say
ICONIC lyric
Gabi’s commitment to using footage where the mic did not pick up here singing classic cringes instead of re-shooting or re-conceptualising is one of the reasons I continue to watch her videos
I wasn’t sure if it was to avoid copyright claim or not
its why i hit sub
hear, hear
It personally annoyed me. I couldn’t keep watching it
thats journalistic integrity if ive ever seen it
They broke the big unwritten rule, they committed the biggest punk sin: they revealed that it was an industry by actual trying to become famous…
I realized that it's the opposite of most Rap artists, singing about being rich and famous while being poor af.
Nah bro it’s bound to happen when you call yourself pop punk when punk is a movement against the norms of the mainstream and conformity and pop is all about conforming to get into the mainstream
So did The Sex Pistols and The Clash but the public ate it up
@@cheezebagz729yes, pop punk in itself is a term that doesn't make sense to me
I'd like your comment but it's at 666 and I'm not ruining perfection
9:29 there's a Bring Me The Horizon lyric that literally goes "Heaven's full and Hell won't have me" time is a flat circle
Don’t you dare bring bmth into this…
Snakes start to sing??
@ yep lol
Are Bmth even Emo just wondering what do u think?
@@Elliott_Saundersstarted out screamo/metalcore, but they've been just about every genre by this point
YOU MET WEEZER????
i know lol that was also my reaction. I think that was supposed to be an embarrassing story, but it just made her sound even cooler 😂
actually, weezer met gabi
I just looked up that Mika song Gabi used in this video and you were the top comment on there 9 months ago and now I see you here. What the
OMG GOD GUYS ITS WEEEZER!!!!!!
What are you doing here i thought you were the horror guy
As a dad in his very early 40's, who has been a Panic fan for 20 years, I felt attacked by your assessment of their cringy lyrics. You were absolutely right but I still felt attacked.
Lmao same 😂 their first album was life when I was 18
As a sudo-parent who raised my now 20yr old twin brothers, I firmly believe MCRs _teenagers_ was trying to warn us abt teenagers, not the adults controllong them. 😂
Sometimes we deserve the feel we feel
@@SaintShion considering gerard wrote the song after witnessing a group of teens on the subway and being scared of them, this seems a fair assessment 😂
@@themagentacolor haha idk this, but it makes a lot of sense!! lol, even he wasn't exempt from a teens wrath
"resurgence of emo" and they just look like what non alt people think emos look like 😭😭
Yeah, like, emo has definitely gone far from like Sunny Day Real Estate, emo sounds more like what 2000’s electronic pop sounded like, just a bit moodier, still the same stereotypically attractive people singing it though. Something’s don’t change I guess.
@@jackisnthereipromiseemo does NOT sound like 2000s electrinic pop 😭
@@jackisnthereipromise AHHH SDRE! Love them so much!
@@jackisnthereipromise Well, Sunny Day Real Estate is playing the "Best Friends Forever Fest", a mega festival in vegas, THIS YEAR with a huge lineup of what I would call "90s midwest emo" bands (The lineup includes: Bright Eyes, Rainer Maria, Cap'n Jazz, The Anniversary, American Football, The Get Up Kids, Piebald, plus a bunch of other bands)...so maybe there IS a "resurgence of emo"?
@@katarinachiogna-solovey3560it definitely doesn’t sound like it’s own genre
It’s so cool to hear you talk about music. I completely agree that mixes nowadays in rock are way too processed/compressed it just strips the natural character of the singer’s voice and makes the whole thing way less clear
as a canadian i can confirm nickel back is just canadian
do you have any theories on why Canada produces such a disproportionate number of music and film stars? Most of them are pretty great; obviously there's always going to be the Nickelbacks and the Biebers but you can't do much about that I suppose. But yeah it's a small population and there's nothing in your culture that screams "we make artists", yet that's exactly what happens. Any thoughts?
@@idontwantahandlethough this is an interesting question. its weird people are always surprised when actors or musicians are canadian like Ryan Gosselin for example. Music and the arts in general are a really big part of canadian culture and i think maybe because so many of our artists stay in canada the rest of the world doesnt hear about them and i think people just dont realize how many artists are actually canadian. I learn actors or musicians are Canadian all the time and im like wtf? Then theres artists that are international like the tragically hip and bryan adams that are huuuuge in canada but not nearly as big in the states idk what that says. i always think were a lottttt like the UK. As well as being very multicultural a lot of our musicians are french, indigenous, indian ect
@@idontwantahandlethough The music one is actually very easy to explain. There is a law in Canada that all radio stations must play at least 35% Canadian music. So, basically every 1/3 songs needs to be from a Canadian artist on the radio up here. This means a lot of artists who would get absolutely zero radio play get a chance because Radio stations are desperate to fill the Cancon (what the law is called) quotas. When those artists blow up locally, partly because of this law, that talent is then noticed by major music labels down south. There's no language barrier and are pop culture is very similar to American pop culture so it's easy for bands that have already shown to be popular here to transition to the bigger American market. Thus, an outsized number of Canadian bands/artists hitting it big.
Canada gave us Rush, Voivod, DOA and Nomeansno (just off the top of my head). I will always have a soft spot for Canada, even if my Canadian ex wife is not my favorite person
Rush is canadian? Proof that canada is just extra terrestrials in disguise@@johnchedsey1306
The mic cutting out when you were singing your heart out had me crying
great accidental comedy
Gotta open up that gate
So real 💀💀💀💀💀💀
The microphone not picking it up and gabi not giving a shit makes it even more emo.
Umm actually that's punk not emo
@@drewpeacock9087you understood the point lmao 🤣🫶🏼
"Listened to back then"
Oh, Gabi.. That's still a solid 40% if the music I listen to today! MCR, Darkest Days, P!ATD, Green Day, Linkin Park, love em all
8:02 “THIS IS THE HARDEST SONG WE HAVE EVER WRITTEN 👹👹 i met a girl and i really thought she liked meeee 💅💅✨🤪” vibe 😭😭
When you're pumping out all these songs it can get kinda difficult okay! No need to gatekeep 😤😤
not the bad girls club line 😭
Whats wrong with bad girls club tho i dont get it i havent really seen ronnie trying to put on a fake persona or anything (i dont listen to this emo stuff so i wouldent know please inform me)
@@otsonuutilainen6489 omg you're missing all the lore... someone isn't a brad taste in music watcher 😭
ronnie radke is like a garbage human being who beat up his ex wife (or gf?) and was arrested for his involvement in the shooting of a minor. and got all rock bands banned from six flags because he threw a microphone stand at a girl in the crowd for no reason. he's also a huge fan of tom mcdonald, who's a grifter that espouses right wing talking ponts, bullies people online, makes fun of trans people and acts like a giant man baby.
beyond that, falling in reverse is just mad tacky. his voice was super fake and overenuciated just to play into the pop punk aesthetic (which he admitted) and one of their albums has a album cover of a girl in crazy short shorts and he said he made it just to be commercially popular. their first two albums quite possibly can be considered some of the worst aged ones of the early 2010s especially with his goofy rapping. 😭
@@otsonuutilainen6489uh bad
I think a huge part of why this wave of emo music is less emotionally affecting isn't only because "it hits different when you're in your 20s", but importantly also that there isn't really a culture tied to the music anymore.
music genre used to play a lot more into how you dressed daily, who you hung out with, and the place you saw yourself in society. this definitely had downsides, but also added a lot of depth and shared in-group experience to the music!
today's emo has been aestheticized - it's currently more about a vibe, a mood, rather than a whole community and culture
YES. My partner’s youth was a b boy in the 90s, mine was an emo/scene kid in the 2000’s, and we talked about how there used to be a whole culture and community tied to these music genres. People just listen to the music now or dress the part, but it isnt like you’re part of a community with its own culture like it was back in the day.
In short - It just doesnt work on the Internet, you have to Sit in a shitty Park and blast Music over your shitty bluetooth speakers with other people who are deeply unhinged and weird and then you have an actual subculture. It just aint the same if you only do it on the internet
It’s all about advertising on tiktok now.
Not about building a community.
The way TX2 and similar artists market it as well is all formulaic. Which makes it feel far less authentic. TX2 uses the same sort of zoom in every tiktok he makes for a song and also very often puts his hand up to his mouth and says something "controversial." As a result it just feels like some product that consume and not something of much substance. Which is also why it comes across as an aesthetic rather than a genuine expression.
If your music taste was that much of your identity, you were a loser. I guess it kinda echos teens making their gender their identity now. People with nothing interesting and no hobbies will make random shit their whole personality
Gabi mentioning the lack of sense with the phrase ‘could care less’ makes me feel so validated, it always confuses me when people say it like that!
I honestly say i could care less but more like a "why are so unenthusiastic?" "i could care less" kinda way
What's even more aggravating is that they could've fit 'Couldn't' in there if they had removed the word 'they'
What's even more aggravating is that they could've fit 'Couldn't' in there if they had removed the word 'they'
It’s “could care less” because it’s supposed to say “I guess that kind of interesting, I care a little bit about it but not a whole lot overall” and then people messed it up by using it in scenarios where they didn’t care at all instead of times when they found it mildly interesting.
@@Currentlyprocrastinating37 no, it genuinely is supposed to be "I couldn't care less". It's pretty much a non-sweary way of saying "I couldn't give a flying f*ck". It doesn't make sense if you're using "could" and mean it to mean you actually do care but not very much, because why would you even say that? In what possible context would that have become a common saying?
Like "they care a little bit" in Teenagers just straight up sounds like nonsense.
Everyday I live in fear that one of my favourite songs will catch the attention of TikTok. I wake up in a cold sweat at night, begging for TikTok's gaze to fall elsewhere.
Hearing "Dress like you wish you did in 2007" fucking destroys my soul at 38...
So... Dress like you wish you did in 1997? Is that better?😅
my man, this is right in the feels
Weird right? I like to think of it this way - Now we have our own money, so we can dress now like we wanted to then lol!
@@LunaWitcherArt I dress like I did in 2007 now. I'd figured out my style at 22 🤣
Im 36 and still dress however I want. The only difference is the amount it of time it takes makes me feel old and tired 😆
i think a lot of the issue with tiktok emo/alt music is a lot of it lacks actual substance or memorability, it all feels very surface level, samey and a lot of the artists treat emo as more costumey instead of an actual subculture
so much this
I think it lacks authenticity most of the time. Before, things happened to go viral. Now people make things with the intention of them going viral, and everything viral is meant to grab your attention just to sell you something. That makes people take the easy route of copying what was famous before, instead of actually creating something new and unique inspired by what came before.
This is my main beef with it too, a lot of it just has no authenticity whatsoever. They’re just cynically adopting the aesthetic without any care for the actual music or the culture
totally agree with this!!!!
the emo/alt/punk scene back then was so much more gritty and real than anything we see on tiktok. like when you think of my chemical romance there was some real shit going on there, it wasn’t all pretty. even if these bands did end up under a label they went thru a lot of shit before that and continued to go thru it. theres also the less mainstream bands that continued playing in dingy moldy basements where everyone was high on who knows what and hadnt showered in who knows how long bc they lived in a punk house with no running water lol
to be fair, MGK probably sings about being a teenager since that’s his traditional dating pool.
Trueeee
"KISSSSSS YOU BEHIND THE BLEACHERS YAAHHHH"- 30yo MGK cosplaying as a teen
Brutal
Facts
EXACTLY
have you even listened to his songs?
I got every question right let’s go that blink guitar tone is so iconic
The new Paramore album was exceptional. It wasn’t trying to be a nostalgia act, it was just really good made by people who care.
YES!
If you liked that and haven’t listened yet you should really check out willow smith I think she embodies it perfectly with a slight twist.
tr4shhh
i loveddddd this is why
HOW. Just how. How do people like it so much I do not get it. A song that repeats “ThIs iS wHy I dOn’T lEaVe ThE hOuSe” over and over beat out Belinda Says by Alvvays for the Grammy for best alternative performance and I just.. do not understand.
Tik tok is coming for every music genre I feel.
Come again?
@@imarchelloevery genre of music is getting tiktokified
@@lulaa4595 I mean emo music didn't get really tiktoktikified, it became more over done at least that's what I got from this video
I cant wait for the tiktokification of Goregrind
@@PixlyPenguinit’s definitely being tiktokified by punk/emo music creators on the app
4:45 Here I am once again insisting that Check Yes Juliet is actually a great song.
It is
it's incredible
THE BEST
Along with Dear Maria, Count Me In
it is and always will be
22:02 “People just didn’t want him to be the face of why emo music was coming back.”
NAILED IT!
My dislike for Machine Gun Karen came when he said in an interview that emo/punk wasn’t about being comfortable. That he would wear shoes that hurt for the aesthetic.
When, in fact, emo was pretty much all about being your own EMOtional self without regards to what others think of you, or that punk wore what they wanted as self expression and not bc it “looked cool.”
He was and continues to be the biggest poser in the industry imo.
Really enjoyed this video. Great work Gabi.
yoooo 😳 based
HUH!??!?
wait what HAHAHAH
Holy shit now this is an achievement
HOLY SHIT 😲
One thing to point out is that the emo aestetic we're seeing on ticktock feels like the most extreme version of it. A lot of the biggest bands in emo at that time weren't that deep into alternative fashion. It was a lot more self conscious than that, like they had the skinny jeans and the eyeliner and the fringe, but like there was way more restraint, because they were people experimenting and dabbling in an aestetic. There was a lot more variety i felt, it feels like every new emo act i see is like instantly full black veil brides
It's scene. It was extreme back in the 00s as well. But yeah, lots of emo doesn't fit into scene.
@@TheDarthWannabe I guess but like idk where I grew up, none one really used the word scene. And if we talk about the bands being called back to by this new emo wave, it is the scene bands
@@synthiandrakonThe black clothes and color hair is definitely scene or goth. People these days completely get emo wrong. Emo was literally regular Tshirt and jeans band like Taking Back Sunday, Jimmy Eat World, or Saves the Day singing sad songs. There was no aesthetic. And almost every band people claim are emo is just pop punk or hardcore. MGK is pop punk, no way in hell is it emo. The loud attention seeking look/sound is literally the opposite of what emo music was about. It basically introverts letting their EMOtions out.
I said this in another comment, but also pertinent here: those pop punk bands ALL dressed like skaters. Avril had a skater aesthetic in her first album. Simple Plan, some screamo bands, every single band that had a song in a rom-com movie from the 00's AND FREAKING SMASH MOUTH - all dressed like skaters. The more extreme of those I THINK was Tokio Hotel, and even then it was mostly the vocalist; his twin brother who also played in the band had a full-on skater vibe all the time. Emo was that same vibe, but dramatic/depressed. And the girls who listened to those bands were the ones bringing in the fun stuff (clashing hair textures, fun colors and/or patterns in hair and clothing, exaggerated makeup) and therefore because the face of the style. THAT'S what these guys are emulating now, not what they would have dressed like back then.
@@LunaWitcherArtI agree with everything you said except the brother in Tonio Hotel. He was dressing like a rapper, not a skater. And its funny that you mention bands emulating skaters because girls are all basically dressing as skaters from the 90s. I skated growing up, girls literally dress how I dressed in the 90s. Oversized jeans, big shoes, flannels, and a beanie. We didnt wear thongs pulled up and sag our pants to show them off though. BUT we did wear shoelace belts that looked like thongs so maybe that's where they got it
The bigger problem is less that it's "cringe" and more that individuality/community is dying overall. So many things are amalgamations of each other that its killing these things. Everything is starting to look and feel like waiting in line at the DMV with a bag of low-salt, low-calorie pringles. No genuine creativity, and what is genuine is having its soul beaten out of it to appease an algorithm.
i wish there was more discussion about this because thats what i think the real issue is with all this
There’s plenty of originality depending on which circles you seek out, don’t worry
I heard a new band just the other day called “Cogitations”, absolutely ferocious sound. So some form of the culture remains alive & well even now
That’s because originality and uniqueness have become a set aesthetic instead of a result of personal discovery. Originality used to come out of necessity and was a side effect, not a goal. Then it become a goal and people kept trying to push the envelope. Now that the envelope has been pushed and now kept in check by new social norms, the only thing left to do is emulate the superficial portions of that idea of uniqueness. So basically we’ll be stuck here until people get over themselves and use creativity for a new goal.
this problem is exactly why im making music now!!! i want a community to interact with that isnt so focused on optics or conformity!! that was what i used to love about the deep cringe of the past, it didnt feel like its steeped in irony
Isn't that something that has been going on for centuries technically? Emo is itself an offshoot from Goth subculture, which has it's roots in Punk and from older European styles considered Gothic and the ancient tribes famous for sacking Rome (Ostrogoths and Visigoths). As an artist myself, I've always been taught that originality never existed, and that what people can do is their own spin on things - but it doesn't negate that a lot of the things we enjoy now came standing on the shoulders of giants over the centuries.
Gab… gabs… gabothy💀 I physically could not breath while you were singing and your mic wasn’t picking it up 😂😂😂😂
Emo is happening everywhere in basements and living rooms, tiktok emo is so far removed from what emo really is that its basically a joke. Thats not a “REAL EMO IS ONLY THE DC HARDCORE” thing, but theres a certain genuineness that emo requires, that the goobers on tiktok aren’t pulling off.
exactly what i was thinking but 313hardcore lmao. do what u want i just don’t want them pretending they’re some brand new force and they personally brought emo back.
dc hardcore is such a trigger for me ugh
same with every alt scene and nerd culture these types of bellends have kinda tainted.
It’s not different than Fall Out Boy, MCR, Panic, etc. They were all the polished pop-friendly version of Emo music at the time. It’s always been this way that any semi-popular subgenre gets chewed up and spit out by the machine.
huge agree
31:41 i know this song is mostly satire but "this empty bottle and your glass lips" is actually such a raw line what the hell lmao
it’s so ptv coded
yeah this song was a joke but DAMN that line is FIRE
honestly i think people are overlooking how many pop-punk bands tried and failed to blow up at the same time as fall out boy and panic and the like. an artist who was posting all their work on myspace was likely trying to do the same thing as artists posting now on tiktok. sometimes people just make bad music. you dont need to listen to someones music just because they tell you to. being subject to an advertisement doesn't mean you have to give it your attention.
this, right here!
i remember hearing a metric crap-ton of genuinely bad music on myspace.
on the other side of that, though, there were also a ton of really good artists that never blew up or got signed, which is a huge bummer.
yeah... the filter has been blown off. now we see all the acts that aren't making it because they don't have to go thru a label, and it was never like that before
My favorite is Hollywood undead getting popular because of MySpace
You could literally search up new good pop punk songs on Spotify, UA-cam, and bandcamp. I’m now listening to a new emo band called the requiem which sounds a lot like mcr
It's a bit different because their actual music wasn't foisted upon you unless you actually viewed their page. On TikTok you're going to experience the music via a snippet of a video which will take up the entirety of your screen. On MySpace it was just background music, which while still annoying was less of a problem to deal with. MySpace was primarily text based social messaging. TikTok is a video content delivery system. Even if you avoid a person by blocking them, they have hundreds of spambots reposting the video in a way that abides via the TOS so you're going to have to see the video whether you like it or not.
9:51 where is "I hate this town" by gabi balls
Gabi you’re so real for dropping a song that’s simultaneously a banger but also sounds like it debuted on The Suite Life of Zack and Cody
😂😂😂
It’d be some crossover ep so they could have Demi sing it XD
i agree that labels have always been responsible for pushing pop punk artists out there, but in the early noughties they were being discovered by playing shows in their local scenes, or later on by posting their music online on myspace. the music was the discovery, which led to the artist being signed. now, with tiktok, the artist is the discovery. labels are looking for the full package, and the music is secondary. artists have always had to put themselves out there to get signed, but now they have to continue that self promotion even after that point. the artists aren't the problem, the labels are.
It's very sad that the labels don't understand where they stand. They have the producers, the marketing team and the connections to make anything be successful, and yet they still make artists fend for themselves to pay for everything they lend them to make and promote music.
Yeah it was interesting I was watching a video on pop punk from the channel Punk Rock MBA the other day and he mentioned that the rise of the internet meant that music, and the hardcore scene in particular, stopped being so NY/LA centric. You had teens in Ohio uploading music online and getting discovered without having to first move out to the coasts. I thought of that both when Gabbi mentioned everyone in pop punk talking about hating their hometown (lol) but also in how she said everything nowadays is so LA centric. It’s shifted back to a focus on the coasts, but instead of that coming with a focus on building the music community like in the past, it’s now hyperindividualized, with the artist and the personal brand taking priority over the music
Literally this. Like a lot of the emo acts had their own local followings. The conflation of "industry plants" and "label backed" isn't at all the right correlation.
hi gabi, we're yet another modern emo/pop punk band getting lost in the noise. just want to say thank you for this video. it's super accurate from our experience and it's nice to have the landscape of things so well presented. it's a weird time man. use trends to get traction, but be original, promote your music, but not too much. i think most modern bands accept we're never going to be the next nirvana or mcr, there's just so much oversaturation and those with money or connections are only getting bigger slices of the pie. i know it all sounds rather doom and gloom, but there's a beautiful irony here. it all gives us something to get really emo about. and hopefully that leads to great music. sure it won't get listened to by the masses, but as a kid all it took was one great song by one great band to keep me going. that's what matters.
as someone who got REALLY into dubstep early on, and then to the emo-rap scene early, i feel like this is simply a pattern that emerges when any genre gains more traction than it typically has. eventually, we make music because we want to, for us. i think we'll be okay
also that is an absolute banger of an "about me" line my guy, "sleepy punk" is catchy as hell
i just checked out your music on spotify, and the top 10 anime betrayals song is literally just this concept lyrics-wise lol. +1 new listener for you guys 😁
Damn I listened to Top 10 Anime Betrayals. The guitar has such an old Silverchair vibe to it.
"As a kid all it took was one great song by one great band to keep me going." Man, that made me tear up.
Sorry for the many comments, but I'm writing as I watch the video. Two more thoughts:
- Weirdly enough, this is a trend that doesn't only happen in English-speaking TikTok. The first time I came across this was a Russian artist on Instagram reels and I thought it was some crazy, bizarre one-off, so this video blew my mind.
- I don't know why, while listening to your point about soulless skinwalker emo, I thought of the line by From First to Last, "I'll wear your skin as a suit, pretend to be you, your friends will like you more than they used to," but speaking about the emo genre.
- Speaking of From First to Last, it's also sad (but understandable) how bands of the glory days of emo are now trying their damndest to make emo music, even if they grew out of it, and it's also not great. It seems that emo was a moment in time that is kind of gone, but everybody tries to recreate. Like an AI who has only examples of what it was like, and produces the closest approximation of what it thinks it was, which is a strange collage of the examples, but fails to truly capture the essence, and results in a distorted, incomplete, and not fully believable rendition of the genre. Also, the original target audience is older, and the new target audience grew up in a different context.
It's such an interesting topic to discuss! Thanks for the video!!
The whole "Hardest rock song ever made" montage gave real "Can you burn a Luigi board" vibes.
This might sound crazy, but listening to Pierce the Veil at 27 hits different because I've actually experienced life now
yeah i absolutely love ptv so much and one main reason is that they genuinely have saved me and gotten through life so far. i’ve struggled since i can’t remember with low self esteem, low self worth, etc. and they really helped me feel seen
or like... having made it this far and remembering what it felt like to be young and lost makes today feel that much brighter
I'm 38 and I just gave PTV a try for the first time. I'm obsessed now, can't stop listening.
yes it actually makes more sense now than when I was a teen. I'm just like "damn vic you need a hug? therapy maybe?" that boy was going through it
When youve been in the alt scene for over 20 years its really easy to spot whos wearing an "emo costume" and who actually looks like that on a daily basis.
What are the tells specifically?
@@joshraid1550 They ask questions like that
@@dkie its not some secret club you pretentious little weirdo
step one: don't be like this
@@dkie I’m not an emo, or a punk. I briefly thought about becoming one maybe. How am I a poser if i’m not posing?
I wholeheartedly, un-ironically love Gabi’s emo singing voice-
I hate the way some of these cringe pop punk guys sexualise goth women.
Tru but I think the Tx2 videos they're just trolling the fetishism. The dude is literally a professional troll lmao
Yeah lol, I love Tx2
@@ZzzBliss Is that really it? Or is Tiktok's Premier Poser just crying behind a mask of "I don't care what anyone thinks I swearrrrrrr"
@@samthorne3765 No, he's trolling
@samthorne3765 yeah nah he's trolling. He's actually chill... I talked to him once and he listened to my music and was Hella encouraging ab it.
I don't hate mgk for making people think pop punk is cringe. I hate him because he's a creep and seemingly has built his image around being bargain bin Lil Peep
peep had beef with mgk and he posted about it on socials which makes it even worse
Same
yup
Oh good. My husbands name is Kelly. So funny. Nickleback?? Dumb as hell.
that's pretty much where I'm at on him. I don't care about genre switching, he's just a straight goober, try-hard.
Instagram Reels has shockingly recommended me a ton of great indie bands in the last couple of months. Like actual produced and polished stuff compared to the slapdash aesthetic thievery of TikTok pop-punk/emo stuff. It almost feels like a new version of MTV, but on my phone.
drop some names!!
@@zkkitty2436 Got me into Faye Webster and The Chats. Webster has had some larger success over the years, but the first time I'd ever heard about The Chats.
I don't know if you've heard any of his stuff but Illenium recently made an album called Illenium (I mentioned it in another comment) that was rated as mostly Rock/metal and it's more so a collection of his recent singles from a few years ago till now. It's such a good album that I haven't gotten tired of it yet. I could probably listen to Shivering with Spiritbox 30 times in the same day and I wouldn't be mad. And the album has some pretty good features. Like Avril Lavigne and All Time Low and a metal band I don't know anything about called Motionless In White. Sorry if it seems too vague but I'm not fully into this genre, I just so happen to really enjoy this album.
@@nikitatavernitilitvynovaomg awesome. that's exactly what I would like to listen to❤
just found your channel, really putting words to the feelings I've had over the last year. doing an awesome job thank you
The difference between signed artists and industry plants is that your talent used to get you signed, not your connections with the industry
The worst thing is the new emo crowd cannot write. like for example, black wedding (tx2) is basically like a worse version than mcr’s to the end. (possibly gay closeted man marrying straight woman, things not working out). & he leans too much on mcr for it to be coincidence. the only thing missing in black wedding is the murder and drugs (so, the interesting shit lmao). and pierce the veil has some pretty good writing, the new wave trying to capture their audience just doesn’t have the same musical or lyrical skill of a lot of the older bands.
honestly, as a gigging recording musician of over 15 years - that's never been true. People just obscure the whole "who did I know" part of the upcoming story because it feels less rock n roll. Elvis didn't blow up because he was the best rock n roll singer out there - He blew up because record executives believed that white audiences would be more receptive to that kind of music if it was coming from a white guy instead of the black musicians that made the damn stuff.
It's always been who you know. The bootstraps meritocracy has always been a myth, I'm sorry to tell you. Every legendary band that built empires of sound stand on a mountain of corpses made of bands in the genre who were endlessly more interesting and talented, but ultimately less connected.
i dont know if how interesting a band is is ever connected to their place in the industry. some brilliant minds get in or are even plants- some trash never gets outa their bedroom with it- the dark world bias makes us assume the most negative result is prollyt he most realistic- when in truth even the evil basterds who run things arent perfectly evil nor do they always seek to do underhanded shit. bootstrap myth aside you learned the wrong lesson here.@@ryanburke1656 a good act is a good act- where it came from or how hard it was is just happenstance of being in this soupy mess society always is. the same rules apply for bad- after all those profit chasers wouldnt want to purposefully have a sour act on their label. that means they want in on interest curve too thats where ya get signs like gorillaz or em, rage and greenday ect. they were allowed to rock the boat alil even from a decently powerful label. would that happen if more interesting acts dont get to have success just cause theyre not connected? wouldnt a good act eventually get connected anyway? how much of blowing up even is just the profit chasing? some of it is audience retention- they can only keep up with at best a small handful of musical acts. and if youre super dedicated to even one of em they can easily dominate your entire listening history. that adds to why every act thats good doesnt always get big too- they might be perfectly relatable crushingly fitting for your playlist and you simply never find em not cause a lack of ads or connections but simply cause you already have your favs and you dont feel the need to explore as much. audience habits are the first filter- and the most meaningful.
Back when the mafia ran the music industry before the late 90s the music was ironically better. 😂 It's almost like La Cosa Nostra had good taste
Back when the mafia ran the music industry before the late 90s the music was ironically better. 😂 It's almost like La Cosa Nostra had good taste
As a former emo kid, I feel like a big part of why people hate new emo/punk/grunge music so much is that it reminds us of how alt subcultures have been taken over by consumerism. Like, being punk or grunge in the 70s-90s actually meant something about your political beliefs and morals. I was emo in the early 2010s, when the popularity of the subculture had kind of died down, but I feel like there was still an element of shared culture, experiences, and beliefs, especially on platforms like tumblr. A lot of these subcultures were explicitly anti-capitalist, and served as a safe space for people that were queer or had mental health issues. So, I think people are frustrated at the fact that these "industry plant" musicians can just decide to become emo/punk one day, and buy the clothes from shein, without having to learn about the values and histories of those subcultures. I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on these musicians, but I understand people's frustration that being emo/punk has become more about aesthetics and what clothes you buy than an actual lifestyle. Especially when most of these new emo/punk musicians aren't doing anything new with the genres. Like, I think a lot of people forget just how diverse these genres used to be. When I was emo, my favorite bands were My Chemical Romance, Panic at the Disco, and Pierce the Veil, and even though they all fall into the "emo" category, they have incredibly different sounds. But yea, considering the fact that the unofficial emo slogan was "It's not a phase, it's a lifestyle", this whole thing just makes me feel kind of sad.
Idk if thats really so much it, maybe in parts idk
. like the discussion of bands calling themselves punk when practically almost no bands today are actually punk, is a completely different one.
The actual political side of music has been almost insignificant for such a long time. the whole thing about nu metal and emo music is that they were really not political at all which made them so accessible.
like rage against the machine is a big expectation here but they were kinda the last big real punk band
like what i am saying is, I don't believe angry 50 year old punks who go to garage gigs on the weekend are the ones on tik tok writing angry comments😂
@@joTheBonas I mean I'm 23, so I'm mainly talking about people around my age who were into the emo/punk scene in the 90s through the early 2010s. I completely agree that the political aspect of alt music has been fading away for decades, but (at least in my circles) it was still a pretty big part of the culture up until the mid 2010s. I think that the genres were much less explicitly anti-capitalist in the 2000s, but I do remember a lot of focus being put fighting stigma relating to queerness and mental health, which was still pretty revolutionary for that time. And personally, the whole focus on "posers" felt like the community was at least trying to keep corporate entities out of the subculture. Obviously there are a bunch of different causes for why people dislike the new emo/punk musicians, but as someone that's still in the alt community, the things in my first comment are some of the most popular complaints that I've heard from talking to people about this topic. But yeah, to be fair, my parents are into punk/grunge music, so growing up with it probably impacted the way that I viewed the subcultures as a whole.
@@dillpickle-no9hl I do think Tumblr changed things though. I was more into emo subculture in the myspace era (though I personally wasn’t on it) and things were very much not political. I think you could even argue that Tumblr was the bigger political influence in that equation that emo
I may not look punk, but the way I live sure is
Thank you so much for the Scenequeen plug! Never heard of her before. It slaps!
The cutting in and out audio whilst you're singing is hilarious, I am glad you didnt decide to redo those bits
2004: this feels like a lot of rich teens living in LA
2024: this feels like a lot of rich teens living in LA
Same as it ever was!
ur emo song is lowkey a bop. also, i agree, there is defiantly some amazing talent on tiktok. i found an indie band by the name of "Tiger really" i really enjoy thier music. its fresh, but also emulates old emo in a way.
Its like I get the point but also, it kinda slaps. But also the vibes are good.
2:03 repetition of a word in every signgle line brotha eww
I agree w/ other comments that it definitely feels like they're putting on a costume. all the classic punk bands used what they had and a style naturally emerged, 00s emo & pop punk typically only had one guy that really committed to the Look. Like ffs the lead singer of one of the biggest pop punk bands was known for wearing a trucker hat & their little sister band went full 70s beatles overnight. Even the Clash was doing reggae half the time. It's not so much the sound or look as the authenticity of their beliefs, emotions & messages, and we live in a progressively more inauthentic and irony poisoned culture where it's more hard to come by
What bands do you mean when you say trucker hat and 70s beatles? I thought you mightve meant blink182 for the first one but I'm not sure about the second one
And yes I completely agree with your point, the music all feels so inauthentic and surface level now, theres no emotion behind it
@@river3604trucker hat band - Fall Out Boy pre 2009, Beatles band - Panic at the Disco
@@river3604 fall out boy - patrick had a trucker hat phase and p!atd's Pretty.Odd. is the little sister bands beatles phase
The fact that I understood ALL of those references 😅
giving me life at the parts the mic didn't pic you up girlie 😭😭😭
I assure you that if you, like me, were listening while driving, you would've been thinking your Bluetooth was fucking up and you'd be ready to throw your phone out the window. I did not appreciate that bit 😂😂😂
It’s deliberate because of copyright
I'm sorry but that song you did in the end kinda slaps 😭 the writing (not the lyrics but the arrangement and production) was better than some tiktok musicians ngl
i vote for a album from gabi belle
I would unironically add it to my playlist
Then you are in the same boat than those fans in TikTok, the only difference is that somehow people watching essays think that they are more informed and intelligent than those dumb people in TikTok....
Right!? It's such a bop.
I literally came to to the comment section to say the same thing lol. I expected it to end way sooner and have way more repetitive choruses especially because it was satirical but then she just kept going and going and adding more and it all stayed on point and added to the joke lol.
TX2 SAYING “HARDEST ROCK SONG EVER MADE?” IS SATIRE!!! 😭
Exactly 😭
@Pl4n3tDust I HATE THAT PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND THAT😭😭😭
Gabi, sister, you fucking rock. Not only are you confident enough to get up and just sing in your own room for us, you're confident enough to *publish it even if it cuts off completely* and I will forever respect that level of absolute chadness.
the only thing i'm afraid of is that i hated the music when it came out and now i love it... so in 10 years will i love the current cringe emo music?
Like what you like. I think it’s always good when you like something. I hate emo but I think people should enjoy life and not worry about how deep their music is.
People get nostalgic for past music so absolutely. I'm actually surprised people are now being nostalgic over generic recession pop from the 2010s nowadays even though they're corny af but it reflects a better time back then for most.
@Sam-pd9mpThat song is a banger and I have the revamped version in my playlist.
No, not unless it is something that truly resignated with you from the beginning so much and etc 😅 I never really liked Emo music that much but everything else in between literally except maybe Pop Punk & Black Metal I don't like that stuff as much honestly and only got like one band down that I really like and have listened to a lot now being Batushka.
Yup
The emo song "we are prince and princess.." whatever is basically the same song as kings and queens by 30 seconds to mars..
We are the kings and queens of promise...
Basically the same melody as well
But 30 seconds to mars werent this cringe...
That’s exactly what I thought!!
idk how I just found this channel but i'm cracking up here. I hung out with emo kids in highschool and this takes me back. the early emo/myspace days can't be recreated
The improvement of home recording ability is both a blessing and a curse, and part of what forces the 'inauthentic nature' of the aforementioned TikTok emo/pop-punk.
I spent many months in the studio with various rock, punk, and metal bands over three different decades, in myriad different roles (from engineer to production to writer to session musician). Studio time used to be a limited resource, and so there simply wasn't enough time or money to have everyone nail every single part of every single song to perfection. Because of this, there's always a little roughness and sloppiness on even the most well-performed of records. That's why these things felt more authentic - everything felt like it was performed by an actual human, with their flaws and imperfections. There was a certain chaos to recording sessions, which heavily influenced the album's sound.
It's quite obvious that the TikTok music being pushed isn't just overproduced - it's _over-protected_. Every vocal line is re-recorded until each note is perfect, and if not it's corrected until it _is_. Each rhythm guitar is repeated over and over until each chord has the exact same dynamics with no errant string nor pick noise, unless that specific section needs the noise when in that case the noise is punched in and copy-pasted for perfection every time. Every lyric is chosen specifically so it can be easily lip-read when someone mimes it on a UA-cam short. Mildly controversial or offensive lyrics are discarded before they even hit the page (good luck on any modern pop-punk band releasing a song like "Happy Holidays You Bastard" or "My Vagina". Even the "small independent artists" are terribly guilty of this.
And don't get me started on how 'self-produced' music ends up being short-hand for "I can't take feedback nor direction well".
In the search of being the next 'viral' hit, these musicians have sacrificed the human connection of their music for glossy robotic tat, in a way that has no precedent compared to anything recorded before 2002.
Same thing kinda happens with movies. You look at old Doctor Who, and it looks so different because the lighting wasn't studio lights and green screens, they're actually standing in a field somewhere in Britain lit up by the sun.
Legends say I’m still waiting around for that parenthesis to end
@@brion_aiota if you can convince UA-cam to design their mobile app to not be a buggy piece of shit, then your patience will be rewarded. Until then you will have to make do with some grammatical errors and my entire lack of giving a damn
@@default8522 pssh yea right they won’t even acknowledge that people use UA-cam at all, they just do things and watch everyone squirm
"And don't get me started on how 'self-produced' music ends up being short-hand for "I can't take feedback nor direction well". "
you spent one half of your comment saying that hammering perfections out is taking something vital out of music- but then were supposed to care about criticisms? if mistakes are art and perfection the enemy of soul than criticism obviously fits team B there. cant have it be that dichotomic- in truth our tastes are arbitrary and criticisms are both pointless and cant be constructive. how often ive heard someone say a song they hated became bigger in their audience is proof of that. every act seems to have that song. no genre nor act and no artist can be perfect anyway- so the idea that theyve over produced is much like saying over/under rated. its not rated- you just dont agree with consensus- which in of itself is a meaningless taste and not indicative of value.
the myth of musical soul is espoused by people too cowardly to admit that liking or not liking a noise and how we organize them is not even gradable. Gabba and noise are genres. none of this ever meant shit- the communities grow cause they can vibe with the emotions they made themselves. we can learn how to take advantage of common responces- but punk never relied on skill or talent- it was always mindlessly yelling about frustrations. finding the others lost and screaming with them. it only makes sense that that appeals to a very particular person. but all the reasons we think art works- we come up with after the fact- same with every taste- you didnt like your favorite color until you found excuses to emphasis it.
mines green- but why? cause the hockey team i root for wears it- lukes lightsaber is that color, the goddamn trex in jurrassic park- all things important to specefically me thus green became my color. specefically the sea and teal shades- i like the ocean. but none of these greens inspire me to like green- i noticed they were green and gave em extra attention because of that. after all im from dallas- and i also like football- so why not blue or silver a color scheme famous in my home city? cause my arbitrary taste was set first. its just an emotional responce by the brain. it picks these non-useful comparisons to excuse its bias' not to explain its setting.
My refusal to download TikTok also makes me feel like I've missed the last decade of the pop music zeitgeist
same!
Nah you haven't missed it
same
so what, dare to be different
It's just re-heated slop from the 80's to 00's.
The fact that you didn't mention MySpace even once is wild 😅
not only that , but she doesn't know what emo music is. what she showed was only punk-rock. if she was to any rock concert lately she will know that there are bands still running like My chemical romance, 30 seconds to mars(man i hate Jared and his brother) , BMTH(people say he is metalcore, but probably they never listened to metalcore) , of mice and men, asking alexandria are one of the last ones i saw in the last year. I also saw avril, greenday, sum41, offspring etc but they are not emo . Also punk rock was more like an opposing gendre to emo, it was , joyous, full of energy. Emo was depressing , sad, made you feel like dying. The fact that she is 26 is also an indication of the fact that she never experienced emo period(at best the end of it) . For me, metal core was the thing that got most of the emo and not punk rock.
@@danielstan2301 somebody named their band after of mice and men...the book...that everyone knows 'cause their white english teacher loves emphasising the n-word???? that's new. Also, didn't she say at the start she was going to talk about punk-rock but she's using other labels as it draws inspirations from other genres
@@danielstan2301 something tells me you didn’t need to say all that
I was gonna comment this. 2000s emo largely blew up on MySpace. The genre is so synonymous with MySpace that emo nights at local clubs are oftentimes dubbed “MySpace Nite”.
@@danielstan2301 not reading allat
I just sat through one solid minute of unstoppable ads… commercials. UA-cam is cable TV now. You’re a cable TV channel Gabi
9:54 I'm from the same town as a major pop punk band, and every time they had a line like (example) "pull me out of this sinking town," I was like... but I like this town... :(
I’m just picturing that one clip of a bee from adventure time
this just sounds like A Day To Remember's whole discography XD
Gotta say, I was avoiding this video because of how important my Emo phase was in my teens to early 20s. I'm not on Tiktok so I didn't know about all this so call resurgence. Seeing those made me think right away that they'vr turned Emo into some caricature (and it's awesome that you said this minutes after I thought of it). That's just heartbreaking. But thanks also for pointing out that there are truly authentic artists who are making emo/ alternative their own and actually do make good music with it.
The bright side is that emo, and alternative culture in general, is becoming more accepted in our society. We should never go back to the days where simply being goth or emo would get you bullied, ostracized, and your life ended too soon (through your own hand or others). For every "alt" kid of the 90s and 00s who felt isolated or misunderstood, there's a person right now who doesn't have to go that pain and isolation thanks to social media platforms making it easier than ever to learn about other subcultures.
@@writteninstarsI don’t think it’s becoming more accepted… on social media sure but half those on tiktok only do it for the videos and dress “normal” in public I still see so many video of goths and emos still being shamed and it’s heartbreaking but it’s even more heartbreaking witnessing people in the alt scene bully each other
The emo scene had plenty of cringy duds 15+ years ago. We just live in the future where everything is slightly worse than what came before it (photocopy of a photocopy basically)
The disconnect that some of the best emo bands back in the day dressed like the BIGGEST skater boys and not at all like the emo FANS dressed... like, my country had some pretty big national bands at the time and they ALL DRESSED LIKE SKATERS.
The emo of my generation was this. It wasn't even called emo yet.
Exactly. This type of fashion was called "scene" back in my teens and they were on Myspace and totally reviled lol
Emo originated as a term refering to hardcore bands that had 'emotional' lyrics and performances. It was kinda a derogatory term, and bands like rites of spring hated it. But the skate fashion originally comes from the hardcore orgins of 'emo' music. Hardcore bands/skaters emulated west coast street wear (cargo pants, high socks, ect). Hardcore and skating kinda goes hand in hand.
@@KikiKhaosCatNobody hates on the scenes immediately adjacent to them as hard as skate punks.
@KikiKhaosCat i remember learning about this when I was into hardcore. when Rites of Spring got labeled "emotional hardcore, " Ian MacKaye said something like, "... What, like Minor Threat isn't fu*kin' emotional?" That quote got me to start aprichating emo. I was like "oh, it turns out I'd been listening to emo the whole time."
yes I'm aware of the irony of me censoring my swear words.
Wow I didn't realize that that was Checkov's guitar winking at me discreetly tucked behind u but still in frame. Lovely!
Glad someone is putting respect on Mika's name!!!! So many bangers
My intro to Mika was Big Girl You Are Beautiful in Just Dance 2 on the Wii back in, what, 2011? Good times
bro stop comment botting
2 comments I genuinely wanted to share is bot behavior now?
I love We Are Golden. That song really puts me in a great mood.
yessssss and Grace Kelly... Gets stuck in my head randomly
I just saw Fall Out Boy and Jimmy Eat World perform here in Portland. The audience was freaking amazing and the show was a fever dream.
I saw them in Sacramento CA it was so good and fob played my favorite song of theirs 🫶🫶
Jimmy eat wood fortbite
luckkyyyy! I hated Fall Out Boy at the time cause I was a 14 year old boy and that wasn't "cool", but listening to it now I TOTALLY get why people like them.. I'd even say I kinda like them myself! Very catchy, very angsty
Seeing them at the end of this month, super excited!
oregon portland or maine portland?
Not me LITERALLY practicing the vocals and chords to "Lying Is The Most Fun A Girl Can Have Without Taking Her Clothes Off" MOMENTS before watching this video. I STILL have the ultimateguitar tab open. HUMILIATING
Why was I obsessed with this song in middle school lmao
I cried to "Caraphernalia" not too long ago so I feel your embarrassment
@@jeauxxxhow do you cry to caraphernelia😭
i was falling down the mcr subreddit rabbit hole last night so i get you lol
my grandma died @@dr_tcbv
I met tx2 while working a locals venue and honestly they’re really nice dudes despite the cringe
True glad there’s someone who FINALLY dose t hate on him😊
_"i'll CRASH my car and RUN AWAY WITH YOU"_ goes so hard it instantly made me think of someone and made me shiver with the angst of wanting to fuck off with them that I hadn'tn't felt since back then way to go gabi
The way I saw the title and immediately said “I bet tx2 is there” 💀💀💀
Fr. I love TX2 though
@@chasehavensmusicme too
@@chasehavensmusicsameee
i didnt expect to like TX2 but they arent too bad!
@@thomasandrews9355 honestly same
LOL, really liked the "blink or mgk" segment. blink is my second-favorite band ever, i know all their songs by heart. didn't fool me a bit, but it was fun!
I was thinking something similar. Sure there is an influence, but you clearly hear a difference. At least in the clips she played. I haven’t actually listen to Mgk 😅
Question #5 was the only one that stumped me
I also feel like the blink ones are more distinct from the mgk ones by how the guitar/bass sounds, to me instantly recognizable. Or maybe it’s just because I’ve listened to blink more that I can just tell.
I also aced the chsllenge but in the vise versa way I know all the MGK songs by heart
as someone who only listened to a few blink 182 songs and like 3 mgk songs i got almost every song wrong xd
Industry plant and industry backed are two different things.
Plants are manufactured by a label (usually from the ground up) and formed into a look or sound to try to make a commercial hit and usually lie about the connections or push they got or gave.
Industry backed is something found by or signed by a label/producer/etc. and supported in their (potential) growth but not hiding any of their connections if they had any (most do/did).
“Dude, they’re just Canadian” alright that got me
The worst part about this phase of emo music is that all the Barker produced stuff getting popular is such a bad example of what the genre can actually produce noawadays. Pop punk and emo never went away it just lost popularity so there are still so many great bands like The Story So Far, Hot Mulligan and The Wonder Years (to name a few) who have carried on that torch and evolved their sound - some more than others - while the artists backed by Barker all sound similar and are all trying to imitate a sound that doesn't really exist anymore.
Exactly! Well put.
Dude, The Story So Far, Hot Mulligan, and The Wonder Years were my top 3 artists on spotify last year hahaha. Those three bands are automatic recommendations any time someone asks me about alternative music
i was just talking about this with my partner while watching the video! emo never went away! it feels like tiktok needs to "rediscover" everything they try to imitate. music, fashion, it's always gotta be new or "revived" so that it has a chance go viral :\
Ohh dont forget no pressure - the singer of The Story So Far's other band!!
I dated one of these guys and he invited me to his concert, serenaded me, then after the show introduced me to his girlfriend LMAO
He really went out of his way to make sure the venue was full.
@@maskoolio5824Spot on, a I ghosted him and couple months later he asked me to come to his concert AGAIN
Classic
And then he wrote a song about it
Invoyted yew to moy show
Met moy girlfriend then had to go
Whoa whoa
That is the funniest shit I've heard in a while lmao
I love your videos
just won a ranked game in LoL and im at minute 30:00 where this BANGER goes off and i just have to start dancing around
as an emo teenager currently, alot of us still listen to the music from the 00's and the 90's, and those mentioned in the video are mainly a minority of scenemo kids today, i feel like were more on tumblr and spacehey (a myspace replica) but yeah tiktok 'emo' is like a whole different thing to me
I love that for you as a former emo teen. Enjoy life while it's good
thank youuu^__^
I mean I enjoy TX2 even if you don’t class it as emo then ok I like whatever genre of music they make
cool
I agree, what I listen is more early 2000s music, rather than these new artists
your mic cutting out while you're singing is so fucking funny it's sending me LMFAOOOO
I thought it was a copyright dodge tactic tbh 🤣
@@Dunny261it is
In your "Is it MGK or Blink?" segment I got all of them right... but #5 was a 50/50 guess. The Blink influence is strong in that album lmao
The only reason I could tell was because of the production, the MGK stuff was way too clean and heavily quantized to be blink, and if it didn't sound overproduced to high heaven I went with blink, the production was really the only clear difference
Mgk is a fan of blink and Travis barker played drums on the album
Sameee #5 was the only one I got wrong 😭 you really gotta listen for how it’s produced if you have an ear for that sort of thing.
I don’t know about you but burn by TX2 makes me cry every time. I don’t understand why you say it’s goofy. But, to each their own.
The whole thing about how authentic punk is is kinda funny to me cause two of the early big punk bands, The Clash and the Sex Pistols, were basically formed by their managers who made decisions about their look and stuff to market them better. The whole reason Sid Vicious was in the band was because the manager liked his look, he could barely play bass
They walked so the Tramp Stamps could trip over their own feet
Although those bands clearly were influential, I think I way prefer the DIY culture that appeared in their wake. I'd much rather listen to Black Flag, Minutemen, DOA or any number of bands that really did take control of their music. None of these bands really had designs of being huge and rather were driven by the urge to create music.
@johnchedsey1306 Minutemen reference spotted, I press like. Makes me so happy Mike Watt still tours with several bands, saw him with MSSV last year. It was great. Totally different type of music but check out Chat Pile, another really cool up and coming band who just started touring outside their local area (OKC)
Barely is crediting him too much. they would unplug him on purpose and he just performed a visual show lol
as someone who is into the DIY punk and goth scenes myself, even hearing pop punk get called "alternative" is weird to me. when she said "every genre has industry backing" i was like💀no not really @@johnchedsey1306
for me the difference its that back then, we found in emo music and community a place to be ourselves despite what the rest of society judged, it was like "i can be alone and hated in my family but i'm in a whole lifestyle of people who feel the same", right now things are pretty different and kids dont go trought all the stuff we passed in school and other situations that defined us as alternatives and outsiders. being "emo" now is cool on tiktok, being emo then was weird and this defined all the feelings we had that made we listen this kinda music! it did make sense to listen to a song that talks about feeling lonely when you were bullied for wearing black at school, we needed to feel understood and teenagers now have a lot more support with their feelings, at that point depression wasnt even a public discussed topic so we had to seek help and understanding throught music
so, that being said, "emo" music now feels really superficial cause it doenst have this appeal that had in the past
Unfortunately, this kind of bullying is very much still happening. My friends and I were very much made fun of due to being alternative
When I was at school (this was only a couple years back) I was wearing a wig that covered up one of my eyes. I was cosplaying as a character from a show I really liked and since his outfit was very conventional and looked like it could be an everyday outfit, so I wore it school. In the hallway, some kids were literally poking at me, but I didn't know if I was imagining it and I couldn't see them since one of my eyes were covered and the hallway was crowded. When I was going into my classroom one of the two boys BARKED at me before laughing and running into his classroom (which was right across the hall). (Side note: I just laughed in the kid's face because it was so stupid XD) I told my teacher whose class I was going to (who was also the guitar teacher) and he spoke about it to the teacher who had that kid for class. Apparently the teacher was also my old English teacher who was not only really nice, but I also got along well with (I was a senior during all of this). They called the mom of the kid who barked at me and I was told that the kid said he did it because he wanted to be accepted by his friend.
Something similar happened two weeks later when I had on a short, white wig, black and white stripped long sleeve shirt, and Invader Zim shirt, and studded belt. As soon as I stepped out of my classroom to go to lunch, a boy and a girl who were walking by and the boy barked at me. I chased them down and was yelling at them to "get back here," but they ran into the crowded hallway. Never knew who they were, even after filing a complaint with the school. Pretty sure they were the same people who were standing in the corner of the stairwell and laughing at my goth attire back in October (which led me to make a rant drawing, which is why I think it was them as they looked similar to the doodle XD)
TLDR: This is very much still happening in schools. Emo is still not considered "cool" by the large majority. I've had multiple alt friends of mine tell me how the exact same thing was happening to them. To be fair though, it's not like our school gave a crap anyway
(It is worth mentioning that the school did jack all when kids were actually in danger or if they needed accommodations. They cared more about kids wearing hats than kids who had literal diagnosed PTSD. I'm not gonna trauma dump here because that would be very rude, so I'll just leave the post here 😅 The saddest part though: this was one of the best schools in the area.)
My niece just got bullied for being Emo lmao it doesn’t change
y'all will say anything to diss on kids having fun lol
i agree, it's the same thing with goth and punk today, a lot of people hop on because they liek the aesthetic because gen z and gen alpha are so obsessed with "aesthetics" and trends. they fail to realise that for some people being goth/punk is a lifestyle, and for some being emo is a way of coping with mental illnesses and trauma.
@@sintura bro Emo was the first highly commercialized “alternative” trend. OG emo was just wearing striped sweaters and listening to a band like Jawbreaker. Brands then realized they could and market an aesthetic.
3:28 I was totally prepared to defend the emo of 20 years ago as not cringe. But then you sung (beautifully I might add) some great examples of cringe emo moments and I happen to have all those songs saved and still sing my heart out to them *to this day!*
3:39 Preach! Thank you for bringing up the grammatical error in MCR’s ‘Teenagers’. Huge pet peeve in a song that I otherwise adore. ❤
This is my first time watching u and I love the song at the end ❤
i saw tx2 (the band being cringey on tiktok for publicity ) perform live as an opener for a show i went to and they were actually great! amazing energy, vibes, and overall message in terms of fighting for queer rights. def don't think they deserve any hate for trying to get their music out there.
I've seen them of scumbagdad and I swore they're just being ironic
Yes! I love TX2's music, I love the messages in so many of their songs, and I think the marketing is brilliant. So glad to see someone else who enjoyed them
actually?? i might have to actually look into who they are then not just the face value. i don’t keep up with them (especially the singer) but seeing that video gabi put in here made me wonder if he truly is just trying to get out there. i hope the hate on him dies out soon or he can at least shift gears bc the “cringe” route only works for so long and can actually ruin your chances of ever having a career
@@Chrryc0la he is, your probably have heard of scumbag dad? He's a satirical shorts yter and this singer was in some mocking his own tik toks and others like it genuinely funny stuff
I was going to say I found their videos cringey but with some very noticeable self awareness, TX2 has a fun sort of ironic charisma so I checked out the music and I love it. Hard hitting incredible lyrics? not really, but it is exactly what we used to bump with this old style, Hollywood undead for instance, much less hardcore than 13 year old me thought. They are sonically really pleasing and the music is just so vibey.
I'll always champion this, but there is SO MUCH talent in the DIY world. If you go to any city you'll find dozens of bands in pop punk/adjacent genres that are making fresh, interesting music who are just playing in basements and dive bars to 25 people. If you enjoy the sound, but want to support artists who are literally doing it all themselves, go try to find places with live music. I promise you'll find your new favorite band instead of listening to the same 5 artists from 20+ years ago. Plus you'll find a welcoming community and meet cool people too!
For real, if you're in a city check out your local scene, if you're not in a city drive to your nearest one on the weekend, theres so many people doing super cool stuff at a high level rn. I feel like post covid things really exploded in DIY, now 75% of the shows I go to are just friends bands. Also start a band and play shows, its so much fun and you meet great ppl
Thank you for saying this! I might have written a bit more snarky reply to some of the claims in the video but it rubbed me up the wrong way
I second this. There’s a bunch of channels that people can subscribe to that have these types of scenes. The DIY is pushing music further, and I wished it gained more traction than the 15 - 25 year old bands, artists, and forgettable nostalgia - bait that are flooding the market right now.
agree with the conclusion!! i love surge of female-fronted punk bands (+ solo acts) this wave has delivered, too. honey revenge, hot milk, meet me @ the altar, stand atlantic, yours truly, etc
There’s also: glimmers, gold steps, daisy grenade, house parties, greywind, redhook, senses, and various others. Daisy Grenade even toured with FOB recently and are mentored by Pete
@@caitlingill ooo i’ll check em out, thanks!
This is the comment I was looking for, thank you! I feel like women-fronted punk/emo/alt/whatever bands that aren't Paramore just get swept under the rug in this conversation and it's insane to me that they don't get the credit they deserve. Idk how close all of these are genre-wise but while we're shouting people out I wanna add Against the Current, Tonight Alive, As December Falls, Eat Your Heart Out, Icon For Hire, RØRY, and Rivals to name a few
Also Bambole di Pezza, they're an Italian all female punk band, they exist since 1997 but two of the original members recently reformed the band with 3 new and younger women as members and modernized their sound, they're so dope and while they mainly do songs in Italian they also have some songs in English.
ngl that parody song at the end that Gabi wrote needs to be on spotify NEOW it kinda hits hard
by the way, i wanna add that johnnie guilbert was not a tiktok musician at all and has been doing music since before tiktok. johnnie didn't get popular off of tiktok. if you're familiar with the alternative/emo scene back in the early days of youtube, johnnie got popular because he lived with bryanstars and made videos with him. bryan interviewed HUGE bands. suggesting he is a tiktok musician kinda upsets me because he's actually an authentic emo, being emo since at least the early 2010s.
He’s chill with it lol he commented on the video (in no way am I discrediting your feelings just wanted to say that)
@@Oak4767 i gotchu :)
I'm surprised you didn't mention the pop punk resurgence we had back in the early to mid 2010s! So many great bands popped up, and it was like a completely fresh and different sound/genre from 90s-00's. Story So Far, Knucke Puck, Real Friends, Man Overboard, Neck Deep... It was a pop punk renaissance. If you haven't heard them, you should check them out!
2010s pop punk is the peak of the genre imo. And there are still so many good bands doing that sound!
exactly! that's what I think of when I hear "pop punk"
Happily surprised to see neck deep included in the "hate this town" complilation though ♡
That was my favorite era, alongside the ‘00s era. Crazy how overlooked and underrated it had become since the new decade started. So many great bands that pulled me through high school.
Olivia Rodrigo has been leaning into pop punk too
I am SO disappointed that your song from the twilight video was not a part of the “Hate this town” compilation 😭
Lmao the guy in the thumbnail is always in scumbagdad’s videos😂
I met TX2 at a Noahfinnce concert two days ago in Toronto while on shrooms. Did not know who they were. Did not get merch or a picture, and instead just handed them 20 dollars and wandered away.
NOAHFINNCE FAN🫵🫵
Dude that's so fucking funny. I'm seeing Noahfinnce on the 3rd!!
@@Brendon_not_that_anyone_caresyoooo me too!!!!
Why’d you give them money lol
@@fruit_salad Yooooo!! Did you get vip??
I now feel the need to recommend a few post-emo bands who are killing it right now.
Origami Angel - My favorite band, period. Phenomenal punk/emo duo. I encourage anyone who likes emo to listen to Somewhere City at least once.
Overtheweather - Super small, but mighty. Unique sound and just overall wonderful to listen to. Old Room is a great place to start.
Spanish Love Songs - Lyricism, vocals, everything; just fantastic. I recommend Brave Faces, Everyone the most.
Mom jeans. - I'm sure a lot of people know these guys already. They rock. Best Buds is a fantastic album.
I really don't know if this comment will be found, but these guys deserve all the support in the world.
W origami angels rep
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you should totally check out Burial Etiquette!!!
Omg thanks! I'll check them out
I’d like to add Meet Me @ The Altar to this list! As a longtime Hispanic emo, nothing lit up my heart more than an all female, all poc pop punk band. The singer’s voice is perfect for the genre and their shows have such a diverse audience!
I think a big piece missing with the resurgence-- is that there's no culture. Without the culture, it's very obvious that it is a trend that is going to disappear in 3 months. I can only speak from my experience but, I was part of the emo culture from middle school through high school in a small town. A lot of kids in the group had rough things going on at home and weren't doing the best in school. But though music, and with their friends, they felt like they could be heard. Also, no one is talking about music sharing! Back when we had Limewire and CD's, we would ask our friends to load up our iPod with their library. I remember trading CDs of Breaking Benjamin and Seether with a girl with Marilyn Manson and some EDM mix tap she made. I uploaded them, and returned them-- rinse and repeat lol. Everyone would do their exchanges at the smoking area of our high school. Now, it's not as inter-personal. If there is a scene resurgence, it seems very lonely.
Yeah that was one thing i wish she'd have actually mentioned. Pop punk IS NOT the same scene as punk for MANY reasons. The fact that she lumped all them together just because something like Wikipedia told her a band was more then one genre is beyond me. Most if not all the bands she mentioned are pop punk and as someone from the punk scene, none of us clamed them as actual punk kids, mostly because they didnt participate in the punk scene and would go as far to say punk music was just noise.
She was a pop punk kid clearly, which is fine, i loved a lot of pop punk bands, but its not the same as punk and theres a big reason why we keep saying it.
i couldn’t put my finger on it before, but that’s exactly it! it’s literally just aesthetics now and not cultural, no nuanced thought involved. i’m fully aware i’m an old man yelling at the clouds but the kids are just being sold trash. it’s the most inorganic movement i’ve seen in a long time.
Alright, you can hate me, but i deadass love TX2. He does a lot for mental health awareness, and I'm sorry, but his music goes hard. Met him after a concert, really sweet guy.