The TikTokification of Emo Music
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00:00 fard
05:18 the tiktokification of music
11:37 industry plants
15:08 bing bong
16:08 reimagining older genres is fun and also tricky
19:06 the mgk travis barker effect
27:05 the copycat phony phenomena
30:17 sweet treat for the viewers (you)
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Ok
thx bestieee
23:44 I only got one wrong, to be fair I KNOW blinks guitar tone like Cajuns know the bayou
Your song at the end was excellent, affectionate parody at its best!
You sold me on the free version. Although paying for a premium subscription for an app which is all about reducing your monthly recurring subscription would feel kind of ironic. Hopefully you get paid either way!
Not pop-punk but I want to remind you of the banger of a line "You tell your boyfriend that if he got beef, that Im a vegetarian and I ain't fucking scared of him"
I love that line. 3OH3 are dirtbags, but that shit will always be hilarious.
"If we got beef, then you better bring the broccoli. Cuz beef 'n broccoli is delicious."
Cringeeee
yep!
It’s at least Pop punk adjacent I’d say
"resurgence of emo" and they just look like what non alt people think emos look like 😭😭
Yeah, like, emo has definitely gone far from like Sunny Day Real Estate, emo sounds more like what 2000’s electronic pop sounded like, just a bit moodier, still the same stereotypically attractive people singing it though. Something’s don’t change I guess.
@@jacktilghman9797emo does NOT sound like 2000s electrinic pop 😭
@@jacktilghman9797 AHHH SDRE! Love them so much!
@@jacktilghman9797 Well, Sunny Day Real Estate is playing the "Best Friends Forever Fest", a mega festival in vegas, THIS YEAR with a huge lineup of what I would call "90s midwest emo" bands (The lineup includes: Bright Eyes, Rainer Maria, Cap'n Jazz, The Anniversary, American Football, The Get Up Kids, Piebald, plus a bunch of other bands)...so maybe there IS a "resurgence of emo"?
@@katarinachiogna-solovey3560it definitely doesn’t sound like it’s own genre
The bigger problem is less that it's "cringe" and more that individuality/community is dying overall. So many things are amalgamations of each other that its killing these things. Everything is starting to look and feel like waiting in line at the DMV with a bag of low-salt, low-calorie pringles. No genuine creativity, and what is genuine is having its soul beaten out of it to appease an algorithm.
i wish there was more discussion about this because thats what i think the real issue is with all this
There’s plenty of originality depending on which circles you seek out, don’t worry
I heard a new band just the other day called “Cogitations”, absolutely ferocious sound. So some form of the culture remains alive & well even now
That’s because originality and uniqueness have become a set aesthetic instead of a result of personal discovery. Originality used to come out of necessity and was a side effect, not a goal. Then it become a goal and people kept trying to push the envelope. Now that the envelope has been pushed and now kept in check by new social norms, the only thing left to do is emulate the superficial portions of that idea of uniqueness. So basically we’ll be stuck here until people get over themselves and use creativity for a new goal.
this problem is exactly why im making music now!!! i want a community to interact with that isnt so focused on optics or conformity!! that was what i used to love about the deep cringe of the past, it didnt feel like its steeped in irony
Isn't that something that has been going on for centuries technically? Emo is itself an offshoot from Goth subculture, which has it's roots in Punk and from older European styles considered Gothic and the ancient tribes famous for sacking Rome (Ostrogoths and Visigoths). As an artist myself, I've always been taught that originality never existed, and that what people can do is their own spin on things - but it doesn't negate that a lot of the things we enjoy now came standing on the shoulders of giants over the centuries.
I'm sorry but that song you did in the end kinda slaps 😭 the writing (not the lyrics but the arrangement and production) was better than some tiktok musicians ngl
i vote for a album from gabi belle
I would unironically add it to my playlist
Then you are in the same boat than those fans in TikTok, the only difference is that somehow people watching essays think that they are more informed and intelligent than those dumb people in TikTok....
Right!? It's such a bop.
I literally came to to the comment section to say the same thing lol. I expected it to end way sooner and have way more repetitive choruses especially because it was satirical but then she just kept going and going and adding more and it all stayed on point and added to the joke lol.
I hate the way some of these cringe pop punk guys sexualise goth women.
Tru but I think the Tx2 videos they're just trolling the fetishism. The dude is literally a professional troll lmao
Yeah lol, I love Tx2
@@ZzzBliss Is that really it? Or is Tiktok's Premier Poser just crying behind a mask of "I don't care what anyone thinks I swearrrrrrr"
@@samthorne3765 No, he's trolling
@samthorne3765 yeah nah he's trolling. He's actually chill... I talked to him once and he listened to my music and was Hella encouraging ab it.
Gabi’s commitment to using footage where the mic did not pick up here singing classic cringes instead of re-shooting or re-conceptualising is one of the reasons I continue to watch her videos
I wasn’t sure if it was to avoid copyright claim or not
its why i hit sub
hear, hear
It personally annoyed me. I couldn’t keep watching it
thats journalistic integrity if ive ever seen it
Gabi mentioning the lack of sense with the phrase ‘could care less’ makes me feel so validated, it always confuses me when people say it like that!
The fact that you didn't mention MySpace even once is wild 😅
YOU MET WEEZER????
i know lol that was also my reaction. I think that was supposed to be an embarrassing story, but it just made her sound even cooler 😂
actually, weezer met gabi
I just looked up that Mika song Gabi used in this video and you were the top comment on there 9 months ago and now I see you here. What the
OMG GOD GUYS ITS WEEEZER!!!!!!
What are you doing here i thought you were the horror guy
8:02 “THIS IS THE HARDEST SONG WE HAVE EVER WRITTEN 👹👹 i met a girl and i really thought she liked meeee 💅💅✨🤪” vibe 😭😭
When you're pumping out all these songs it can get kinda difficult okay! No need to gatekeep 😤😤
not the bad girls club line 😭
Whats wrong with bad girls club tho i dont get it i havent really seen ronnie trying to put on a fake persona or anything (i dont listen to this emo stuff so i wouldent know please inform me)
@@otsonuutilainen6489 omg you're missing all the lore... someone isn't a brad taste in music watcher 😭
ronnie radke is like a garbage human being who beat up his ex wife (or gf?) and was arrested for his involvement in the shooting of a minor. and got all rock bands banned from six flags because he threw a microphone stand at a girl in the crowd for no reason. he's also a huge fan of tom mcdonald, who's a grifter that espouses right wing talking ponts, bullies people online, makes fun of trans people and acts like a giant man baby.
beyond that, falling in reverse is just mad tacky. his voice was super fake and overenuciated just to play into the pop punk aesthetic (which he admitted) and one of their albums has a album cover of a girl in crazy short shorts and he said he made it just to be commercially popular. their first two albums quite possibly can be considered some of the worst aged ones of the early 2010s especially with his goofy rapping. 😭
@@otsonuutilainen6489uh bad
LOL, really liked the "blink or mgk" segment. blink is my second-favorite band ever, i know all their songs by heart. didn't fool me a bit, but it was fun!
I was thinking something similar. Sure there is an influence, but you clearly hear a difference. At least in the clips she played. I haven’t actually listen to Mgk 😅
Question #5 was the only one that stumped me
I also feel like the blink ones are more distinct from the mgk ones by how the guitar/bass sounds, to me instantly recognizable. Or maybe it’s just because I’ve listened to blink more that I can just tell.
I also aced the chsllenge but in the vise versa way I know all the MGK songs by heart
as someone who only listened to a few blink 182 songs and like 3 mgk songs i got almost every song wrong xd
i saw tx2 (the band being cringey on tiktok for publicity ) perform live as an opener for a show i went to and they were actually great! amazing energy, vibes, and overall message in terms of fighting for queer rights. def don't think they deserve any hate for trying to get their music out there.
I've seen them of scumbagdad and I swore they're just being ironic
Yes! I love TX2's music, I love the messages in so many of their songs, and I think the marketing is brilliant. So glad to see someone else who enjoyed them
As a dad in his very early 40's, who has been a Panic fan for 20 years, I felt attacked by your assessment of their cringy lyrics. You were absolutely right but I still felt attacked.
Lmao same 😂 their first album was life when I was 18
As a sudo-parent who raised my now 20yr old twin brothers, I firmly believe MCRs _teenagers_ was trying to warn us abt teenagers, not the adults controllong them. 😂
Sometimes we deserve the feel we feel
@@SaintShion considering gerard wrote the song after witnessing a group of teens on the subway and being scared of them, this seems a fair assessment 😂
@@themagentacolor haha idk this, but it makes a lot of sense!! lol, even he wasn't exempt from a teens wrath
They broke the big unwritten rule, they committed the biggest punk sin: they revealed that it was an industry by actual trying to become famous…
I realized that it's the opposite of most Rap artists, singing about being rich and famous while being poor af.
Nah bro it’s bound to happen when you call yourself pop punk when punk is a movement against the norms of the mainstream and conformity and pop is all about conforming to get into the mainstream
So did The Sex Pistols and The Clash but the public ate it up
@@cheezebagz729yes, pop punk in itself is a term that doesn't make sense to me
I'd like your comment but it's at 666 and I'm not ruining perfection
The cutting in and out audio whilst you're singing is hilarious, I am glad you didnt decide to redo those bits
The whole "Hardest rock song ever made" montage gave real "Can you burn a Luigi board" vibes.
I don't hate mgk for making people think pop punk is cringe. I hate him because he's a creep and seemingly has built his image around being bargain bin Lil Peep
peep had beef with mgk and he posted about it on socials which makes it even worse
Same
yup
Oh good. My husbands name is Kelly. So funny. Nickleback?? Dumb as hell.
that's pretty much where I'm at on him. I don't care about genre switching, he's just a straight goober, try-hard.
as a canadian i can confirm nickel back is just canadian
do you have any theories on why Canada produces such a disproportionate number of music and film stars? Most of them are pretty great; obviously there's always going to be the Nickelbacks and the Biebers but you can't do much about that I suppose. But yeah it's a small population and there's nothing in your culture that screams "we make artists", yet that's exactly what happens. Any thoughts?
@@idontwantahandlethough this is an interesting question. its weird people are always surprised when actors or musicians are canadian like Ryan Gosselin for example. Music and the arts in general are a really big part of canadian culture and i think maybe because so many of our artists stay in canada the rest of the world doesnt hear about them and i think people just dont realize how many artists are actually canadian. I learn actors or musicians are Canadian all the time and im like wtf? Then theres artists that are international like the tragically hip and bryan adams that are huuuuge in canada but not nearly as big in the states idk what that says. i always think were a lottttt like the UK. As well as being very multicultural a lot of our musicians are french, indigenous, indian ect
@@idontwantahandlethough The music one is actually very easy to explain. There is a law in Canada that all radio stations must play at least 35% Canadian music. So, basically every 1/3 songs needs to be from a Canadian artist on the radio up here. This means a lot of artists who would get absolutely zero radio play get a chance because Radio stations are desperate to fill the Cancon (what the law is called) quotas. When those artists blow up locally, partly because of this law, that talent is then noticed by major music labels down south. There's no language barrier and are pop culture is very similar to American pop culture so it's easy for bands that have already shown to be popular here to transition to the bigger American market. Thus, an outsized number of Canadian bands/artists hitting it big.
Canada gave us Rush, Voivod, DOA and Nomeansno (just off the top of my head). I will always have a soft spot for Canada, even if my Canadian ex wife is not my favorite person
Rush is canadian? Proof that canada is just extra terrestrials in disguise@@johnchedsey1306
I now feel the need to recommend a few post-emo bands who are killing it right now.
Origami Angel - My favorite band, period. Phenomenal punk/emo duo. I encourage anyone who likes emo to listen to Somewhere City at least once.
Overtheweather - Super small, but mighty. Unique sound and just overall wonderful to listen to. Old Room is a great place to start.
Spanish Love Songs - Lyricism, vocals, everything; just fantastic. I recommend Brave Faces, Everyone the most.
Mom jeans. - I'm sure a lot of people know these guys already. They rock. Best Buds is a fantastic album.
I really don't know if this comment will be found, but these guys deserve all the support in the world.
W origami angels rep
@@josephdraper1435
you should totally check out Burial Etiquette!!!
Omg thanks! I'll check them out
I’d like to add Meet Me @ The Altar to this list! As a longtime Hispanic emo, nothing lit up my heart more than an all female, all poc pop punk band. The singer’s voice is perfect for the genre and their shows have such a diverse audience!
I remember I used to go to these concerts, and feel this unreal connection with every single person in the audience of "there are other people who feel the same as I do, and we are not alone, and we can feel it all together tonight." I don't know if it's just cuz I'm older, or not in my hometown anymore, but it feels like all the concerts I've been going to lately feel... like no one cares about each other, and they're only there for the hype. I feel like your video hits home about how tiktok (tbh all social media) itself prioritizes approval of the masses, which kinda sucks, and I hope there will be a shift towards community again
There is my friend, The underground Emo scene. I was just in the audience for Foxing The Hotiler and Thursday and every single moment we were singing screaming every word back at them. We were all strangers but Had the same energy not of hate or angst per se...but Understanding In Car Crash 🙏🏻
Also a few bears helps with that
The mic cutting out when you were singing your heart out had me crying
great accidental comedy
Hearing "Dress like you wish you did in 2007" fucking destroys my soul at 38...
So... Dress like you wish you did in 1997? Is that better?😅
my man, this is right in the feels
Weird right? I like to think of it this way - Now we have our own money, so we can dress now like we wanted to then lol!
@@LunaWitcherArt I dress like I did in 2007 now. I'd figured out my style at 22 🤣
Im 36 and still dress however I want. The only difference is the amount it of time it takes makes me feel old and tired 😆
Your mic not picking it up makes the bit so much better
This might sound crazy, but listening to Pierce the Veil at 27 hits different because I've actually experienced life now
to be fair, MGK probably sings about being a teenager since that’s his traditional dating pool.
Trueeee
"KISSSSSS YOU BEHIND THE BLEACHERS YAAHHHH"- 30yo MGK cosplaying as a teen
Brutal
Facts
EXACTLY
have you even listened to his songs?
I think a huge part of why this wave of emo music is less emotionally affecting isn't only because "it hits different when you're in your 20s", but importantly also that there isn't really a culture tied to the music anymore.
music genre used to play a lot more into how you dressed daily, who you hung out with, and the place you saw yourself in society. this definitely had downsides, but also added a lot of depth and shared in-group experience to the music!
today's emo has been aestheticized - it's currently more about a vibe, a mood, rather than a whole community and culture
YES. My partner’s youth was a b boy in the 90s, mine was an emo/scene kid in the 2000’s, and we talked about how there used to be a whole culture and community tied to these music genres. People just listen to the music now or dress the part, but it isnt like you’re part of a community with its own culture like it was back in the day.
In short - It just doesnt work on the Internet, you have to Sit in a shitty Park and blast Music over your shitty bluetooth speakers with other people who are deeply unhinged and weird and then you have an actual subculture. It just aint the same if you only do it on the internet
It’s all about advertising on tiktok now.
Not about building a community.
The way TX2 and similar artists market it as well is all formulaic. Which makes it feel far less authentic. TX2 uses the same sort of zoom in every tiktok he makes for a song and also very often puts his hand up to his mouth and says something "controversial." As a result it just feels like some product that consume and not something of much substance. Which is also why it comes across as an aesthetic rather than a genuine expression.
If your music taste was that much of your identity, you were a loser. I guess it kinda echos teens making their gender their identity now. People with nothing interesting and no hobbies will make random shit their whole personality
Gotta be honest, this new generation of emos being called posers and hanging out on tiktok feels very in line with the original emos, who were called posers and were hanging out on myspace
this
“original emo” was before myspace, that’s why they were called posers
Good emo / post-hardcore band Saosin. Their album “In Search of Solid Ground,” has basically no bad songs on it. Start with the song
“I Never Wanted Wanted to”
Translating the Name is one of the best EPs of all time
I’ve never heard anyone describe Saosin as “emo”. At all.
@dewilew2137 YEAH YOURE RIGHT. "Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness).
Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music.
Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta.
Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral
EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE
NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
Saosin is just diet Circa Survive
Saosin goes hard, I love Collapse.
As someone old enough to think emo was just kids too young to appreciate goth I love the idea that now those emo kids are mad about younger emo kids
I was a scene kid circa 2010 and goth / emo / scene were quite different in their music and expression. now days I actually can't tell the difference
In a 100 yrs, punk will have gone through an 11th gen renaissance. Under the title of punk, I predict this iteration with conflate the Buzzcocks with Type 0 Negative, Hed (PE), Sarah McLachlan, Skinny Puppy, John Cage, and nSync.
Emo is pretty far from goth, I think that's a common misconception. Music wise, two whole different worlds; people just try to link them together because they are both alternative and both just so happen to use black a lot.
The main pattern that linked goth to emo fashions did strike me as a pretty superficial aesthetic, but MCR's creative drive might have had some latent influences from post punk retro goth in the noise of their formative years.
This does not contradict your point, naturally. And I'm speculating, because it might have just been that Hot Topic was a really accessible means to colonize an inspiration with an interesting getup. I would be curious to get a deep dive on the different kinds of music Gerard Way was exposed to through the progression of his childhood though.@@youremyrock
You’re mostly right but The Cure to emo pipeline is not a huge stretch of musical lineage (this is because we’re talking about goth, Rites of Spring, The Hated, Dinosaur Jr, Moss Icon, Mohinder need to be mentioned as heavily influential on what would become emo)
As a former emo kid, I feel like a big part of why people hate new emo/punk/grunge music so much is that it reminds us of how alt subcultures have been taken over by consumerism. Like, being punk or grunge in the 70s-90s actually meant something about your political beliefs and morals. I was emo in the early 2010s, when the popularity of the subculture had kind of died down, but I feel like there was still an element of shared culture, experiences, and beliefs, especially on platforms like tumblr. A lot of these subcultures were explicitly anti-capitalist, and served as a safe space for people that were queer or had mental health issues. So, I think people are frustrated at the fact that these "industry plant" musicians can just decide to become emo/punk one day, and buy the clothes from shein, without having to learn about the values and histories of those subcultures. I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on these musicians, but I understand people's frustration that being emo/punk has become more about aesthetics and what clothes you buy than an actual lifestyle. Especially when most of these new emo/punk musicians aren't doing anything new with the genres. Like, I think a lot of people forget just how diverse these genres used to be. When I was emo, my favorite bands were My Chemical Romance, Panic at the Disco, and Pierce the Veil, and even though they all fall into the "emo" category, they have incredibly different sounds. But yea, considering the fact that the unofficial emo slogan was "It's not a phase, it's a lifestyle", this whole thing just makes me feel kind of sad.
Idk if thats really so much it, maybe in parts idk
. like the discussion of bands calling themselves punk when practically almost no bands today are actually punk, is a completely different one.
The actual political side of music has been almost insignificant for such a long time. the whole thing about nu metal and emo music is that they were really not political at all which made them so accessible.
like rage against the machine is a big expectation here but they were kinda the last big real punk band
like what i am saying is, I don't believe angry 50 year old punks who go to garage gigs on the weekend are the ones on tik tok writing angry comments😂
@@JonasTheBonas I mean I'm 23, so I'm mainly talking about people around my age who were into the emo/punk scene in the 90s through the early 2010s. I completely agree that the political aspect of alt music has been fading away for decades, but (at least in my circles) it was still a pretty big part of the culture up until the mid 2010s. I think that the genres were much less explicitly anti-capitalist in the 2000s, but I do remember a lot of focus being put fighting stigma relating to queerness and mental health, which was still pretty revolutionary for that time. And personally, the whole focus on "posers" felt like the community was at least trying to keep corporate entities out of the subculture. Obviously there are a bunch of different causes for why people dislike the new emo/punk musicians, but as someone that's still in the alt community, the things in my first comment are some of the most popular complaints that I've heard from talking to people about this topic. But yeah, to be fair, my parents are into punk/grunge music, so growing up with it probably impacted the way that I viewed the subcultures as a whole.
@@dillpickle-no9hl I do think Tumblr changed things though. I was more into emo subculture in the myspace era (though I personally wasn’t on it) and things were very much not political. I think you could even argue that Tumblr was the bigger political influence in that equation that emo
I may not look punk, but the way I live sure is
So happy to know that you love Scene Queen
She is, in fact, fucking iconic
Wish she brought up Set it off
2004: this feels like a lot of rich teens living in LA
2024: this feels like a lot of rich teens living in LA
The new Paramore album was exceptional. It wasn’t trying to be a nostalgia act, it was just really good made by people who care.
YES!
If you liked that and haven’t listened yet you should really check out willow smith I think she embodies it perfectly with a slight twist.
tr4shhh
i loveddddd this is why
HOW. Just how. How do people like it so much I do not get it. A song that repeats “ThIs iS wHy I dOn’T lEaVe ThE hOuSe” over and over beat out Belinda Says by Alvvays for the Grammy for best alternative performance and I just.. do not understand.
Tik tok is coming for every music genre I feel.
Come again?
@@imarchelloevery genre of music is getting tiktokified
@@lulaa4595 I mean emo music didn't get really tiktoktikified, it became more over done at least that's what I got from this video
I cant wait for the tiktokification of Goregrind
@@PixlyPenguinit’s definitely being tiktokified by punk/emo music creators on the app
living for the mic cutting in and out of you singing
Just wanted to let you know from a massive pop punk fan, I love your song at the end! It's a certified (by me) bop
i think a lot of the issue with tiktok emo/alt music is a lot of it lacks actual substance or memorability, it all feels very surface level, samey and a lot of the artists treat emo as more costumey instead of an actual subculture
so much this
I think it lacks authenticity most of the time. Before, things happened to go viral. Now people make things with the intention of them going viral, and everything viral is meant to grab your attention just to sell you something. That makes people take the easy route of copying what was famous before, instead of actually creating something new and unique inspired by what came before.
This is my main beef with it too, a lot of it just has no authenticity whatsoever. They’re just cynically adopting the aesthetic without any care for the actual music or the culture
totally agree with this!!!!
the emo/alt/punk scene back then was so much more gritty and real than anything we see on tiktok. like when you think of my chemical romance there was some real shit going on there, it wasn’t all pretty. even if these bands did end up under a label they went thru a lot of shit before that and continued to go thru it. theres also the less mainstream bands that continued playing in dingy moldy basements where everyone was high on who knows what and hadnt showered in who knows how long bc they lived in a punk house with no running water lol
The microphone not picking it up and gabi not giving a shit makes it even more emo.
Love that you featured @Honey Revenge because I sae them live and they're so genuine. 🤘🏾
I think it's important to note that while many of the most recognized pop-punk/emo bands may have been "industry plants" a huge amount of them actually made good music and gained a following before getting signed and pushed, which is very much not the case with a lot of new acts who are releasing their first songs only after having a contract. I think that's another reason why a lot of it feels so detached and superficial. Furthermore, I can be certain, but it seems a lot of the tiktok musicians seem to be just a vehicle, not writing their own stuff, just singing what the label had written for them. Sure, "old emo" may have had a bunch of writers or producers chipping in ideas, but much of it was actually written.
There's a story about Blink being forced to write First Date and Rock Show for the label to sell a couple more pop-driven songs, but people still like those songs (although maybe less than others), because Tom and Mark are talented writers. I think Olivia Rodrigo is a good modern day comparison. Some of her stuff is poppier, more label-directed, sure, but she still writes her own stuff about her own experiences (as far as I know). Also, the old guard may have also been "industry plants" but they were still far more punk than the new generation. They actually tried to push boundaries and fight back against the labels, even in small ways (think Simple Plan writing Addicted, specifically trying to get a vulgar word past censors or even Fall Out Boy being smart asses and titling a song Thnks fr th Mmrs because the label said to shorten their song titles). One last thing, a lot of the old emo/pop-punk bands truly did come from shitty little towns and were outcasts, so even if it's pushed by a label, it's more believable when they say it.
TL;DR A lot of Old Emo earned their spot becoming popular before being signed to big labels and a lot of newer stuff feels disingenuous because artists aren't writing for themselves or don't really believe what their own songs are saying.
PS I don't hate all newer emo/pop-punk. there are still a lot of good modern acts (Magnolia Park, Meet me at the Altar, Yours Truly, etc)
Okay hearing that dude say he knowingly made cringe to piss people off and push his music is actually punk rock as hell. I gotta respect that hustle
as someone who grew up and lived this era, I feel like people have no idea what punk rock is, including me.
that isn't punk rock its just a bad marketing strategy
Yeah Tx2 gets props to me idc
I don’t think that’s punk rock brother
@@livvyyyyyyyyyyy gatekeepers
When youve been in the alt scene for over 20 years its really easy to spot whos wearing an "emo costume" and who actually looks like that on a daily basis.
What are the tells specifically?
@@joshraid1550 They ask questions like that
@@dkie its not some secret club you pretentious little weirdo
step one: don't be like this
@@dkie I’m not an emo, or a punk. I briefly thought about becoming one maybe. How am I a poser if i’m not posing?
you articulated so well everything I’ve thought about all of this. super well done
I love a Gabi music analysis video. You have such a good faith approach to it and have so much fun with it. And we get Gabi music?!?! Yeeees!! Your music, parodies, homages, all of it is so fun.
Emo is happening everywhere in basements and living rooms, tiktok emo is so far removed from what emo really is that its basically a joke. Thats not a “REAL EMO IS ONLY THE DC HARDCORE” thing, but theres a certain genuineness that emo requires, that the goobers on tiktok aren’t pulling off.
exactly what i was thinking but 313hardcore lmao. do what u want i just don’t want them pretending they’re some brand new force and they personally brought emo back.
dc hardcore is such a trigger for me ugh
same with every alt scene and nerd culture these types of bellends have kinda tainted.
It’s not different than Fall Out Boy, MCR, Panic, etc. They were all the polished pop-friendly version of Emo music at the time. It’s always been this way that any semi-popular subgenre gets chewed up and spit out by the machine.
huge agree
One thing to point out is that the emo aestetic we're seeing on ticktock feels like the most extreme version of it. A lot of the biggest bands in emo at that time weren't that deep into alternative fashion. It was a lot more self conscious than that, like they had the skinny jeans and the eyeliner and the fringe, but like there was way more restraint, because they were people experimenting and dabbling in an aestetic. There was a lot more variety i felt, it feels like every new emo act i see is like instantly full black veil brides
It's scene. It was extreme back in the 00s as well. But yeah, lots of emo doesn't fit into scene.
@@TheShihrer I guess but like idk where I grew up, none one really used the word scene. And if we talk about the bands being called back to by this new emo wave, it is the scene bands
@@synthiandrakonThe black clothes and color hair is definitely scene or goth. People these days completely get emo wrong. Emo was literally regular Tshirt and jeans band like Taking Back Sunday, Jimmy Eat World, or Saves the Day singing sad songs. There was no aesthetic. And almost every band people claim are emo is just pop punk or hardcore. MGK is pop punk, no way in hell is it emo. The loud attention seeking look/sound is literally the opposite of what emo music was about. It basically introverts letting their EMOtions out.
I said this in another comment, but also pertinent here: those pop punk bands ALL dressed like skaters. Avril had a skater aesthetic in her first album. Simple Plan, some screamo bands, every single band that had a song in a rom-com movie from the 00's AND FREAKING SMASH MOUTH - all dressed like skaters. The more extreme of those I THINK was Tokio Hotel, and even then it was mostly the vocalist; his twin brother who also played in the band had a full-on skater vibe all the time. Emo was that same vibe, but dramatic/depressed. And the girls who listened to those bands were the ones bringing in the fun stuff (clashing hair textures, fun colors and/or patterns in hair and clothing, exaggerated makeup) and therefore because the face of the style. THAT'S what these guys are emulating now, not what they would have dressed like back then.
@@LunaWitcherArtI agree with everything you said except the brother in Tonio Hotel. He was dressing like a rapper, not a skater. And its funny that you mention bands emulating skaters because girls are all basically dressing as skaters from the 90s. I skated growing up, girls literally dress how I dressed in the 90s. Oversized jeans, big shoes, flannels, and a beanie. We didnt wear thongs pulled up and sag our pants to show them off though. BUT we did wear shoelace belts that looked like thongs so maybe that's where they got it
thank you for speaking what I already noticed but havent organized my thoughts, this is kinda awesome
Wow I only heard the song at the end once and it is already stuck in my head. Good job! I like the tongue-in-cheek sarcastic lyrics... reminds me of the generic country song parodies people make. This is the first video of yours I have seen, time to watch more!
Gabi's content is so easy to watch, it's addicting
Gabi you’re so real for dropping a song that’s simultaneously a banger but also sounds like it debuted on The Suite Life of Zack and Cody
😂😂😂
It’d be some crossover ep so they could have Demi sing it XD
honestly i think people are overlooking how many pop-punk bands tried and failed to blow up at the same time as fall out boy and panic and the like. an artist who was posting all their work on myspace was likely trying to do the same thing as artists posting now on tiktok. sometimes people just make bad music. you dont need to listen to someones music just because they tell you to. being subject to an advertisement doesn't mean you have to give it your attention.
this, right here!
i remember hearing a metric crap-ton of genuinely bad music on myspace.
on the other side of that, though, there were also a ton of really good artists that never blew up or got signed, which is a huge bummer.
yeah... the filter has been blown off. now we see all the acts that aren't making it because they don't have to go thru a label, and it was never like that before
My favorite is Hollywood undead getting popular because of MySpace
You could literally search up new good pop punk songs on Spotify, UA-cam, and bandcamp. I’m now listening to a new emo band called the requiem which sounds a lot like mcr
It's a bit different because their actual music wasn't foisted upon you unless you actually viewed their page. On TikTok you're going to experience the music via a snippet of a video which will take up the entirety of your screen. On MySpace it was just background music, which while still annoying was less of a problem to deal with. MySpace was primarily text based social messaging. TikTok is a video content delivery system. Even if you avoid a person by blocking them, they have hundreds of spambots reposting the video in a way that abides via the TOS so you're going to have to see the video whether you like it or not.
Hi Gabi, I feel like I watched way too many videos from you, even though I've only subscribed a few days ago, but the kind of throw-away-songs (that's what they feel like) are really good. Also, I related to this video very much, so thanks for that as well! Keep it up.
Just found your channel. Time to sub and binge. Hurray!
4:45 Here I am once again insisting that Check Yes Juliet is actually a great song.
It is
it's incredible
THE BEST
Along with Dear Maria, Count Me In
it is and always will be
the beginning bit of playing iconic emo bangers made me so nostalgic for middle school. im still alternative, but i haven't listened to some of those in years
Great video and the ending song is a legit banger
31:41 i know this song is mostly satire but "this empty bottle and your glass lips" is actually such a raw line what the hell lmao
it’s so ptv coded
i agree that labels have always been responsible for pushing pop punk artists out there, but in the early noughties they were being discovered by playing shows in their local scenes, or later on by posting their music online on myspace. the music was the discovery, which led to the artist being signed. now, with tiktok, the artist is the discovery. labels are looking for the full package, and the music is secondary. artists have always had to put themselves out there to get signed, but now they have to continue that self promotion even after that point. the artists aren't the problem, the labels are.
It's very sad that the labels don't understand where they stand. They have the producers, the marketing team and the connections to make anything be successful, and yet they still make artists fend for themselves to pay for everything they lend them to make and promote music.
Yeah it was interesting I was watching a video on pop punk from the channel Punk Rock MBA the other day and he mentioned that the rise of the internet meant that music, and the hardcore scene in particular, stopped being so NY/LA centric. You had teens in Ohio uploading music online and getting discovered without having to first move out to the coasts. I thought of that both when Gabbi mentioned everyone in pop punk talking about hating their hometown (lol) but also in how she said everything nowadays is so LA centric. It’s shifted back to a focus on the coasts, but instead of that coming with a focus on building the music community like in the past, it’s now hyperindividualized, with the artist and the personal brand taking priority over the music
Literally this. Like a lot of the emo acts had their own local followings. The conflation of "industry plants" and "label backed" isn't at all the right correlation.
I unironically think your voice is amazing 🥰
Ngl the cutting audio mixed with the lyrics fading in with that emo lyric font got me real quick. But this video in its context is great.👍🤣
The way I saw the title and immediately said “I bet tx2 is there” 💀💀💀
Fr. I love TX2 though
@@chasehavensmusicme too
@@chasehavensmusicsameee
i didnt expect to like TX2 but they arent too bad!
@@thomasandrews9355 honestly same
giving me life at the parts the mic didn't pic you up girlie 😭😭😭
I assure you that if you, like me, were listening while driving, you would've been thinking your Bluetooth was fucking up and you'd be ready to throw your phone out the window. I did not appreciate that bit 😂😂😂
It’s deliberate because of copyright
I'll say if you really wanna support the current wave of emo going on right now, some bands I recommend include: Hot Mulligan, Ben Quad, Home is Where, Sweet Pill, Carly Cosgrove, Koyo, Mom Jeans, and Arm's Length. Granted some of these are a little more toward the indie or midwest-type emo than pop punk.
The mustang in the back tells me how awesome your playlist is
hi gabi, we're yet another modern emo/pop punk band getting lost in the noise. just want to say thank you for this video. it's super accurate from our experience and it's nice to have the landscape of things so well presented. it's a weird time man. use trends to get traction, but be original, promote your music, but not too much. i think most modern bands accept we're never going to be the next nirvana or mcr, there's just so much oversaturation and those with money or connections are only getting bigger slices of the pie. i know it all sounds rather doom and gloom, but there's a beautiful irony here. it all gives us something to get really emo about. and hopefully that leads to great music. sure it won't get listened to by the masses, but as a kid all it took was one great song by one great band to keep me going. that's what matters.
as someone who got REALLY into dubstep early on, and then to the emo-rap scene early, i feel like this is simply a pattern that emerges when any genre gains more traction than it typically has. eventually, we make music because we want to, for us. i think we'll be okay
also that is an absolute banger of an "about me" line my guy, "sleepy punk" is catchy as hell
i just checked out your music on spotify, and the top 10 anime betrayals song is literally just this concept lyrics-wise lol. +1 new listener for you guys 😁
Damn I listened to Top 10 Anime Betrayals. The guitar has such an old Silverchair vibe to it.
"As a kid all it took was one great song by one great band to keep me going." Man, that made me tear up.
the only thing i'm afraid of is that i hated the music when it came out and now i love it... so in 10 years will i love the current cringe emo music?
That’s what I’m saying! I love my music, I’m scared when I get way older, I’ll see my music like that one song “who said, I can’t wear my converse”
Like what you like. I think it’s always good when you like something. I hate emo but I think people should enjoy life and not worry about how deep their music is.
People get nostalgic for past music so absolutely. I'm actually surprised people are now being nostalgic over generic recession pop from the 2010s nowadays even though they're corny af but it reflects a better time back then for most.
@@Sam-pd9mpThat song is a banger and I have the revamped version in my playlist.
@@Greybell I see so many people dissing it’s sad
your choreography is flawless! Just awesome :D :D :D
I liked your song. Pretty cool. I loved how the lyrics had almost all the tropes you talked about earlier in the vid. Had me cracking up and jamming at the same time 😂😂
The emo song "we are prince and princess.." whatever is basically the same song as kings and queens by 30 seconds to mars..
We are the kings and queens of promise...
Basically the same melody as well
But 30 seconds to mars werent this cringe...
That’s exactly what I thought!!
Instagram Reels has shockingly recommended me a ton of great indie bands in the last couple of months. Like actual produced and polished stuff compared to the slapdash aesthetic thievery of TikTok pop-punk/emo stuff. It almost feels like a new version of MTV, but on my phone.
drop some names!!
@@zkkitty2436 Got me into Faye Webster and The Chats. Webster has had some larger success over the years, but the first time I'd ever heard about The Chats.
I don't know if you've heard any of his stuff but Illenium recently made an album called Illenium (I mentioned it in another comment) that was rated as mostly Rock/metal and it's more so a collection of his recent singles from a few years ago till now. It's such a good album that I haven't gotten tired of it yet. I could probably listen to Shivering with Spiritbox 30 times in the same day and I wouldn't be mad. And the album has some pretty good features. Like Avril Lavigne and All Time Low and a metal band I don't know anything about called Motionless In White. Sorry if it seems too vague but I'm not fully into this genre, I just so happen to really enjoy this album.
not only is the video great, but holy fuck you captured something with your song at the end. It's like parody, but also somehow more authentic than anything else I've heard since I was just a kid and my life was a nightmare in ohio.
Thank you for this video! I was a little emo teen in the early 2000s and the whole point was not giving a shit what other people think. The "new" emo/alt scene especially on tik tok is so heavily pushed it loses all it's authenticity
9:54 I'm from the same town as a major pop punk band, and every time they had a line like (example) "pull me out of this sinking town," I was like... but I like this town... :(
I’m just picturing that one clip of a bee from adventure time
Not me LITERALLY practicing the vocals and chords to "Lying Is The Most Fun A Girl Can Have Without Taking Her Clothes Off" MOMENTS before watching this video. I STILL have the ultimateguitar tab open. HUMILIATING
Why was I obsessed with this song in middle school lmao
I cried to "Caraphernalia" not too long ago so I feel your embarrassment
@@jeauxxxhow do you cry to caraphernelia😭
i was falling down the mcr subreddit rabbit hole last night so i get you lol
my grandma died @@dr_tcbv
Alright well thank you for that absolute banger at the end. Really shows the difference in writing that people can have when they lived through the genre. Well said all around.
The song ya made (BTW so random, I love it 😅) is giving me major early 2000s teen drama movie vibes...like play it in the back of one of the Olsen twin films 🎥
your mic cutting out while you're singing is so fucking funny it's sending me LMFAOOOO
I thought it was a copyright dodge tactic tbh 🤣
@@Dunny261it is
I agree w/ other comments that it definitely feels like they're putting on a costume. all the classic punk bands used what they had and a style naturally emerged, 00s emo & pop punk typically only had one guy that really committed to the Look. Like ffs the lead singer of one of the biggest pop punk bands was known for wearing a trucker hat & their little sister band went full 70s beatles overnight. Even the Clash was doing reggae half the time. It's not so much the sound or look as the authenticity of their beliefs, emotions & messages, and we live in a progressively more inauthentic and irony poisoned culture where it's more hard to come by
What bands do you mean when you say trucker hat and 70s beatles? I thought you mightve meant blink182 for the first one but I'm not sure about the second one
And yes I completely agree with your point, the music all feels so inauthentic and surface level now, theres no emotion behind it
@@river3604trucker hat band - Fall Out Boy pre 2009, Beatles band - Panic at the Disco
@@river3604 fall out boy - patrick had a trucker hat phase and p!atd's Pretty.Odd. is the little sister bands beatles phase
The fact that I understood ALL of those references 😅
oh my god finally someone talking about this. great video
I love the video at the end 😅❤
23:00 actually you can hear clearly whose song is if you're a sound engeneer. MKG drums are INSANELY compressed, while Blink's are not.
yeah the drums were the only giveaway for me too
i was gonna say!! my dad is an audio engineer, so i spotted that shit immediately
@@jivjive3326is it genetic?
Yeah the fact she got through that bit and said case closed is like... I mean yeah, but. Not the case you're making haha
i can hear it as well, the point was the styles!
As an "elder emo", the only problem I have with tik tok and emo music as like a whole is that the people who bullied me for liking this type of music are now getting into it BECAUSE of tik tok its just kinda annoying to witness that :/
exactly. t*kt*k is peak tourist bs
a lot of things that niche groups get ridiculed for back then have been normielized by t*kt*k.
Felt that. Its popular and cool and trendy to be "emo" now but when i was in high school blasting deathcore and shit out of my headphones i got nasty looks and looks of sheer terror. i know deathcore isnt the point of Gabis video but point still stands
It'll always be that way though
Thats how fads function, it all rotates.
@@Moraca101 yeah i get that but like i said it’s annoying to see. because since “emo” and all that has been trending, ive faced the people that bullied me and they’ll try to talk to me about it and im like ???? you don’t know anything. like i get that’s how fads work but its just like annoying idk how else to say it lol
I think it's the consumerism that's annoying- It's marketable now so people are into it. just like how, for example, queer identities and diversity are used as selling points or are put in advertising, just because they can be like ";) we are just like you. buy our crap."
I need to hear your song at the end everyday
ok off topic maybe, but I luv ur mustang guitar in the back
Really enjoyed this video. Great work Gabi.
yoooo 😳 based
HUH!??!?
wait what HAHAHAH
Holy shit now this is an achievement
HOLY SHIT 😲
The outro song ATE. Hardest emo song of the summer???
Hardest emo song on 2024?!
Please I'd rather die
that was genuinely good.
Best Punk Song EVER?!?!
Video Would have been better if she edited in Travis Barker drumming in the background while she sang.
You just "roasted" some of my favorite albums and artists in this video xD I love what MGK did on Tickets to my downfall. And I was so positively surprised by Demi Lovatos Rock album, etc. I personally like, that so much new Music of the pop punk/emo/etc. genre is being produced but I also get it, that some people might find it boring or generic at this point.
I also agree with your point so strongly that people get bored when artists keep doing the same shit their entire career. That's one reason why I love BMTH so much. While they stay within Rock/Metal grounds most of the time, they still try a lot of new things!
BTW props to the very fitting song in the end! Very cool
31:04 it’s giving me decode mixed with when it rains by paramore
The disconnect that some of the best emo bands back in the day dressed like the BIGGEST skater boys and not at all like the emo FANS dressed... like, my country had some pretty big national bands at the time and they ALL DRESSED LIKE SKATERS.
The emo of my generation was this. It wasn't even called emo yet.
Exactly. This type of fashion was called "scene" back in my teens and they were on Myspace and totally reviled lol
Emo originated as a term refering to hardcore bands that had 'emotional' lyrics and performances. It was kinda a derogatory term, and bands like rites of spring hated it. But the skate fashion originally comes from the hardcore orgins of 'emo' music. Hardcore bands/skaters emulated west coast street wear (cargo pants, high socks, ect). Hardcore and skating kinda goes hand in hand.
@@KikiKhaosCatNobody hates on the scenes immediately adjacent to them as hard as skate punks.
@KikiKhaosCat i remember learning about this when I was into hardcore. when Rites of Spring got labeled "emotional hardcore, " Ian MacKaye said something like, "... What, like Minor Threat isn't fu*kin' emotional?" That quote got me to start aprichating emo. I was like "oh, it turns out I'd been listening to emo the whole time."
yes I'm aware of the irony of me censoring my swear words.
by the way, i wanna add that johnnie guilbert was not a tiktok musician at all and has been doing music since before tiktok. johnnie didn't get popular off of tiktok. if you're familiar with the alternative/emo scene back in the early days of youtube, johnnie got popular because he lived with bryanstars and made videos with him. bryan interviewed HUGE bands. suggesting he is a tiktok musician kinda upsets me because he's actually an authentic emo, being emo since at least the early 2010s.
He’s chill with it lol he commented on the video (in no way am I discrediting your feelings just wanted to say that)
@@oak4427 i gotchu :)
ngl I love your song on this vid... Slayeddddd fr
the mic not picking up your singing is so funny :D
_"i'll CRASH my car and RUN AWAY WITH YOU"_ goes so hard it instantly made me think of someone and made me shiver with the angst of wanting to fuck off with them that I hadn'tn't felt since back then way to go gabi
"Don't do one pushup. Do one hundred. Don't run one mile. Run a marathon. Don't have one family. Have a second family all the way across the country. Don't just have a second family. Have a third family in Santa Fe with an alternative lifestyle. Don't spend any time with the first two families. Make a commitment to family number three. Double down by announcing it at his war hero father's retirement party. Don't go to the funeral cuz remember, you've got two other families to deal with and a marathon to train for. Don't let Kenneth walk out of your life. Take his life from him. Don't just go to jail. Go to death row by killing the two other families. Don't just let anyone have their closure by apologizing. Send a message that you're not afraid of Hell."
Just do it.
girl what
assuming this is a emo song 🖤
@@bong_waterit’s from family guy 😭
Peter griffin 💀💀💀
i LOVEE mico im so glad you mentioned him hes so underrated
i like a lot of tx2 songs cause i just find them funny. they never make it into a genuine emo playlist, but they rule my playlist of songs that don’t sound bad but make me laugh
I just saw Fall Out Boy and Jimmy Eat World perform here in Portland. The audience was freaking amazing and the show was a fever dream.
I saw them in Sacramento CA it was so good and fob played my favorite song of theirs 🫶🫶
Jimmy eat wood fortbite
luckkyyyy! I hated Fall Out Boy at the time cause I was a 14 year old boy and that wasn't "cool", but listening to it now I TOTALLY get why people like them.. I'd even say I kinda like them myself! Very catchy, very angsty
Seeing them at the end of this month, super excited!
oregon portland or maine portland?
ur emo song is lowkey a bop. also, i agree, there is defiantly some amazing talent on tiktok. i found an indie band by the name of "Tiger really" i really enjoy thier music. its fresh, but also emulates old emo in a way.
Its like I get the point but also, it kinda slaps. But also the vibes are good.
I’m more than a bit older than you and recognised many of the songs you were singing that the mic didn’t pick up but I had absolutely no idea music even had genres back then… (other than like... classical and pop I guess?) I just listened to the radio and whatever kids around me played aloud and had no idea what any of the songs they played were. So I’m kind of enjoying this “resurgence” since I’m properly investigating it on my own for the first time I guess; and finally realising what music I like outside of J-Pop. Maybe it’s bad I could do the quiz easily because any song I didn’t recognise had to be blink-182 since I was so familiar with the MGK songs…
Gabi, I love this video