How Is Life for Rusyns in Ukraine? (I Visited Zakarpattia)
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2022
- I visited Transcarpathia to find out for myself how Rusyns are treated. What I found was very different from what anyone had told me.
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Trying to generalize my own view of the situation - it's not that Ukraine really oppresses Rusyns that much, it's just Rusyns themselves do not create enough of the demand to be noticed, so Ukraine is simply getting away with just ignoring the whole thing.
Do you want Rusyn to be taught in schools? Great! But who actually asks that? 3-5 people? Most of the oblast silently accept whatever the government assigns for the education, so these demands are to be ignored.
Maybe not now, but wasn't speaking Rusyn illegal in the past?
(I can't remember exact dates)
@@melissakozarski7275 it was never actually illegal to speak it, it was not allowed to call it a distinct language. So that in any formal situation you were pushed to speak a literal language, meaning Russian or Ukrainain.
Is there still an abnormal SBU presence in Zakarpattia hindering Rusyn and Hungarian movements? Cheers from Vojvodina btw
Or because the so called rusyns are nothing more than a bunch of weirdos who preach what does not exist. Answers are simple
@@Popotixovo yeah, like, how dare Ukraine hinder antiukrainian movements in light of what russians have done to Donetsk and Luhansk already.
@LemkoWithHistory (ЛЗI) please be aware that there are also people who identify themselves as Ukrainians, but are of rather Rusyn origins, like myself.I absolutely support the activities of the Rusyn self-declared nation and recognized minority in their efforts to preserve their culture that I also feel a part of it, even thought my self-identification is different.My grandfather considered himself to be Rusyn at first, but regarded Rusyns to be a part of wider national context.Well, that is a point on which we do not coincide.But just a detail- when the Presov Rusyn has been codified, I was already an Ukrainian language speaker.Am a traitor?Am I a Rusyn that is not loyal to its people?Man, that question is much more complex.My grandfather did a lot for the Rusyns in Slovakia, regardless of their orientation, he had a lot of friends and colleagues, like Fedor Vico, for example and never felt any hatred.
If you willingly identify as Ukrainian even though you are ancestrally Rusyn then there is nothing to discuss really. You even say "regarded Rusyns to be a part of wider national context. Well, that is a point on which we do not coincide."
We do not believe we are Ukrainians, are not part of their nation, and wish they would back off from saying such. Any "support" that does not concede that we are our own people and (ethnic) nation is not worth much in the end.
You have made your choice, and no Rusyn will harass you for it. I'm glad you have found this channel and are willing to have a discussion. However, don't expect us to be jumping for joy when you talk about supporting us.
@@lemkowithhistory Well, am doing already stuff to support you, dont worry :-).it is not easy for me to explain it here in such a limited space, but am in constant contact with many people that are active in the Rusyn national movement.And we are happy together, dont worry about it.I dont know who are us in your definition anyway.Even in my family there are people that identify as Rusyn and we respect each other.But there is a part of Rusyn movement that hates Ukrainian minority, supports the pro-russian party SMER and so on.I cannot be in the same group as they are.
@@michalcukan2616 What Rusyn national movement are you refering to? lol
@@Petro250 Look up Lemko DNA and get back to us...
@@lemkowithhistoryМагочі це псевдонауковець сепаратист, який нав‘язує що ви окремий народ і маєте свою історію хоча КОЖЕН народ в своєму регіоні має свою історію це логічно. «Карпаторусини» це етнічна частина українців
I think you were most likely watched, not because of you are rusyn, but simply because you are an American who walks around the Oblasť during the war.
Yeah, like can you imagine a country during a war being suspicious to foreigners of draft age?
I agree with you. With so many attempts at FSB infiltration, I am not surprised that they are on heightened alert. But I do wish more was done for Rusyn people in general.
I don't really have a formed opinion on these topics but you taking an interest in my region is nice.
here in the state of Paraná located in Brazil, there are several descendants of Ukrainians and Poles who fled from the ancient region of Galicia during the Austro-Hungarian empire and because of the wars that continue to this day in Eastern Europe.
Solidarity
And you didn't take me!
How many Rusyns did u meet?
Doesn't matter, He should never put them on Video......
@@patriotpioneer HAHA!
@@jameslippincott HoHo!
@@patriotpioneerwhy?
I respect highly the Rusyn people and culture. Best wishes from an American descendant of ethnic Bulgarians from the region of Aegean Macedonia (in Greece)!
@Samuel's Fortress Pozdravi i na tebe, Brate moy!
@@Ecoman365 If you ask North Macedonia, you're actually a Macedonian :)
The situation between Macedonians and Bulgarians is very reminiscent to that between Rusyns and Ukrainians.
@Samuel's Fortress ти Македонец ли си или Бугарин?
Here's a few things that should kept in mind:
1. You're visiting a country during wartime. I highly doubt you being watched had anything to do with your ethnicity. In fact, I even doubt you WERE being watched. Personally, to me it sounds like you WANT to be oppressed to win over sympathy for your cause.
2. You're promoting what could be considering separatism, within a country that's been fighting separatists since 2014.
3. Many Rusyns have historically identified themselves as a distinct group of Ukrainians. Look at the establishment of Carpatho-Ukraine in 1939. Is it any wonder notions of Rusyn separateness only exist OUTSIDE of Ukraine? To me, it seems like a classic case of divide and conquer.
To reiterate, I'm not arguing that Rusyns don't exist as an ethnic group or a nationality, as that is something that only they themselves can decide on. BUT, I'm calling bull on the "oppression of Rusyns", especially when historically, many, if not the majority of them considered themselves to be a subgroup of the larger Ukrainian ethnicity.
Additionally, I find it hilarious that you described Tajiks as "Persians who live outside of Iran" and that you said they "speak Farsi". By that same logic, Rusyns are Ukrainians who live near the Carpathian mountains and speak Ukrainian.
Furthermore, you claim that they don't care about being Ukrainian because that's something their taught in school, but they allegedly care about being Rusyn. All over Europe, but especially Eastern Europe, people adore their local regional identity more than their national identity. That's literally it. These people accept Ukrainian as their national identity and Rusyn as their regional identity. Your forcing your own beliefs of upon them and claiming that they don't see things the same way because they're being "oppressed".
Lmao a guy with a russian name "Ivanov" saying about "separatism"?
Ethnic Russians and Russified "Ukrainians" are really the ones to fk off. Not these guys who had nothing to do with "Russian Imperialism"
@@user-ge3ml1dg6h many Ukrainians have the surname Ivanov, but this does'е mean they are Russians. you can read about how Ukrainian surnames were forcibly changed to Russian in the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union.
@@chipichipichapachapa567 Nope. Even in Donbas people still have Ukrainian surnames and many of the Russian-sounding names are from Don Region.
If you have very typical names like Ivanov, Smirnov, Kuznetsov or Frolov, you are definitely russian. Kovalev and Shvetsov are more common among Ukrainian and I know that, but Smirnov or Kuznetsov are definitely north Russian.
@@user-ge3ml1dg6h Ivanov is a common Slavic surname. And the guy is probably Bulgarian, since he has a picture of Hristo Botev, a Bulgarian revolutionary and anarchist.
Afghanistan is abit weird comparison. Germany would fit much more, altough its just part of german history that the nation is made up of many "countrys" that have their own ethnocultures and there is so much that its really hard to say that german is a single ethnicity as there are many.... alone in Baden-Württemberg we got Swabians, Franks and Alemans altough in the modern time its basicly impossible for people to care much about the sub divisions and people usaly just associate with the "Land" of Baden-Württemberg or one of each to be more detailed.
Altough only Bavarians like to call themself a seperate free state xD
And in ukraine as in many countrys people feel National but also "local" Patriotism. Altough that doesnt i want to talk Rusyn identity small.
Can you tell me why Rusyns are being watched and squelched? Or could you give me a place to look it up? My grandparents are from Serendne and I knew my whole life , I am 66, I was Carpato-Rusyn. I knew we had no country to call our own. They were told to write Czech in the US, but we knew we were never Czech. Thank you for what you are doing.
My Dzedo/Dido was born in Serednje...too.
Same Reason the Russians in the Donbass were being watched. They are Not "Ukrainian"...
@@elizabethdiles96 Dobre den!!! it's so good to hear that word again. I live in Utah now and the culture/ heritage people aren't here. We learned to pray and say a few things in peruski. How I still miss my grandparents who were both from Seredne' and born in the 1890s. My children are still keeping traditions alive though none of us are Byzantine any more. Good to "meet" you here.
because of the danger of separatist movements secretly and/or openly supported by Russia in order to destroy Ukraine. The same way as they wanted to do via Donetsk & Luhansk "republics". If the leaders of Ukrainian Rusyn movements didn't disrespect Ukraine and were willing to separate, then it would not have been such a problem.
Ваша батьківщина це Україна🇺🇦
This should really blow up so people know the truth about what the deal is. My bro you had the balls to go there after making videos against the Ukros AND IN THE MIDDLE OF WAR. Ultimate respect 💰
@@deandredoncic9672 Why do you say that? And if that's your name, why would you be on a channel like this? If your not one of us, Your A Troll...
@@Vuradisuravu ???
Im Slovak, my grandfather is full Rusyn, how did you like Slovakia?
Oh really ?can you proof that you are visit Ukraine or just talk from some garden about it. But anyway, although what I demand from a person who uses maps that are confirmed by various theories of the distribution of ethnographic groups, and simply says that this is propaganda and that it is not. when different approaches to the same issue are simply used (by people who have spent years researching these issues). go to university to finish your master's degree, learn how research is conducted in the scientific field and new theories are presented and what basis is needed for them. Because just your words are not enough.
Shabby attempt at trying to discredit this video, really.... Maybe it is you who should go back to university.
There is a genetic difference
@@theshovl3r are you a doctor of science in genetics? and do you have a representative sample of Lemkos available before resettlement? for the purity of the experiment, and there the frequency of semals is required for scientificity to be more than 10, in general, if so, publish an article in the national journal, we will definitely evaluate your results with the entire scientific community, repeat the experiment and see if it is similar to the truth, no? then don't tell me here, in general, genetic tests are a pretty good thing for making money and not for genealogical or other research, the interpretation of such data is usually not scientific, but rather marketing
@@c.p.8641 there are scientific studies and quite a lot of them from grave sites so calm down there buddy, though you clearly are just going to say they don’t count. Why do you care if a group claims their own ethnicity?
@@theshovl3r because my grandparents are from Lemkovyna, their blood flows in me, I explored my tree up to the maximum limit of 11 generations, no more records were kept, I know the Lemkov language, because everyone spoke it at home. grandfather is 90 years old, he is still alive, and looking at some mixed American, who has nothing left of the Rusyns, he hardly knows how to work with his hands as it was customary, but he allows himself to flick his tongue, and makes videos in which he tells that he was searched or something else something, because he came to inspect the Ruthenians, and in my village, which is not in Transcarpathia, but much further away, there are museums for them, and there are quite a lot of Lemkos, and no one treats them like that, plus there is no evidence that he was there, it is more like that a person was not here.
I wonder how Rusyns would end up if they stayed a part of Czechoslovakia... Maybe they would get their own country now
They were part of Hungary through out history. They well treated right, its a lie that Hungary didnt try to be a multi ethnic country
@@vay6901 They were not treated right
@@winecko You can search it. This is false. They would very much be a part of hungary. Currently their language and tradition is disappearing because the ukranification... This not happened under hungary (500 years)
@@vay6901 Yeah because the Magyarisation happening duh
@@winecko what magyarisation 😂 you are being told this in school meanwhile hungary very well knew that it was a multi ethnic state... Nothing like this happened, Hungary just didnt care. Especially not with the rusyns.. Else theyd be speaking Hungarian today...
Rusyn its old name of ukrainians in Austria-Hungary
FYI: Since your back, Get A New Cell Phone(not kidding)...
Sim card or new phone completely?
@@lemkowithhistory Both, You can consider anything WiFi/Bluetooth capable compromised.
Can we just already split Ukraine?
Me as Romanian also want back my land.
Romania is rightfully Italian.
you mean the land that's inhabited by exactly 0 Romanians?
@@julianivanov3058 stfu it's our land.
It has been ours longer than with you guys. You only have it because sssr.
We gave it otherwise war.
Bilhorod-Dnistrowskyj is Cetatea Albă (white region)
@@julianivanov3058 there are always mixed countries and languages at borders.
We can also split romania and give hungary their land :)
Tell your Rusyn groups to join Russia.
Ukraine needs united people who want to form a country.
You were watched BECAUSE YOUR FOREIGN.
Join Russia and take your culture there where Russian language will be forced on you.
Good luck.
You mean like how The Ukrainian Dialect was forced on Rusyns..?
Yikes 😂
And who gives you the right of telling Rusyns who ask for their national rigths to go Russia. Ukraine is sovering in a part of their homeland and that is why Ukraine has to recognize them but not Russia!
Яка росія!!??💩💩🇷🇺
Ukraine - Stop denying the Rusyn language; all the neighboring countries accept Rusyn as a distinct language. Ukraine - Stop acting just like Russia, suppressing a minority language! Rusyn is a dialect of Ukrainian as much as Ukrainian is a dialect of Russian.