The Geo Element NEEDS An Update | Genshin Impact
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Chiori is our featured five star unit for Genshin Impact 4.5. Despite having a very well rounded kit and design, she's being held back by the element she belongs to. We'll be analyzing her abilities and gameplay while discussing the problems with Geo.
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Mr. Socks said it best: "Navia didn't save Geo, Navia saved herself"
Chiori on the other hand, adheres to Geo's playstyle, and suffers massively for it.
So true…
She is not suffering because of Geo playstyle
She suffers because she is poorly designed, and incredibly boring character what dev’s made in a rush.
Her kit has some random properties what exist for no reason, and she doesn’t understand what she wants to be.
@@Uefeti Your comment is nonsense and prejudiced. How can a game character understand anything?
It's the dev's fault for not putting more effort to upgrade the Geo playstyle.
with the release of chiori, that statement gets truer. I thought hoyo gotten their shit together with geo, but nope. I haven't seen a unit that was so skippable in a long time.
@@AcaciaDolce It was clearly a manner of speech. I'm kinda surprised someone took it liitteraly
Chiori has lots of Abilities what do not make sense.
She's a character who synergyses with constructs, yet she just powercreeps the best construct-oriented char in the game.
(bedo's flower was by far the best one)
She was give ATK scalings to be played aside from defence-based teams, yet she cannot do so without consts.
She has an on-field (main DPS) stance which is laughably uselless and is in the kit for no real reasons.
The numbers in it are SO low, youd be better simply using physical attacks
She is the most apparent and shameless powecreep example in the game BY FAR, which the Devs were trying to avoid.
And despite being designed for geo, just ignores the current roster making some of the chars even less viable than before.
Also she is THE ONLY summoner character in the game without an ability dedicated to summoning.
They gave an Of-Field char a Kequing rush, (for no reason) making her clunky, and the puppets simply appear by themself without the character ever interacting with them.
Thats clearly a Rushed char, X.5 curse strikes once again.
It was such a scum move advertising her fighting with Navia in the trailer but she doesn't synergize with her unless you get C1
version 4 characters have a trend of this , with wrio,,furina and neuvi gaining a lot of power from their c1, wrio doesnt even feel that good to play without c1
She’s best in slot for navia though. Better than albedo, zhongli, and gmc and also doesn’t have annoying construct gimmick.
They have anti synergy too but it is blown out of proportion
I've been using her in a quick swap Navia team it's pretty much fine since they generate so much crystals
Agreed, even though my c0 wriothesley can clear floor12 without his signature ( 51-257- r5 widsith, Bennett-skyward, xiangling and zhongli-Tenacity), my c1 wriothesley on other account can do the same with 47-198 ratio with his signature and that too with only c6 thoma and burst lv6 Bennett with basic 4 star weapon.
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@@polychromaait's not about her being stronger than other units. Around 35% of her dps is locked behind c1, which only applies for Navia and Noelle. The c1 is basically nothing other than a tax for those 2 dps mains. It's the most obvious constellation that's just ripped from her base kit.
Also it doesn't help when she's marketed with Navia almost all the time.
I would've completely accepted her If her skill effects are more like what she showed in her story quest, different colored fabrics, now Imagine If she revolved around crystallize then the fabrics change colors😊
That would've been amazing! Imagine she buffed your character stats based on the element of the crystal! You know, like atk for pyo, hp for hydro, and so on.
Oh god I would’ve pulled in a heartbeat
Sadly they don’t have enough budget for that
hoyov too broke and lame to think of something like that
@@ragno-monoover4710 The sarcasm is overflowing 😂
Honestly I thought they'd build on making use of Crystallize after Navia uses it for additional damage.
Chiori just feels like Geo status quo unit at this point in the game, which is ironic because her sense of fashion in Fontaine is meant to be disruptive and different.
I think they might have just been trying to find a way to lean into the construct gameplay which, before her, was basically regulated to traversal, lol.
What we need is a Geo character that truly shakes up the element at its core.
Translation: We need a support that fundamentally changes how Crystalize Shields work or a character that takes Geo Constructs (and by extension mono Geo) to the extreme.
Gorou's the weak link, honestly, mono geo needs a 5* support that takes the playstyle to the next level
chiori is a good first step towards the second one
@@kwayke9 But at the same time I would rather he become just a nice niech option to use rather than an obsolete support. If there's a way to make them both fit well on the same team as well as separate teams, that would be the best result imo.
@@sharktenko267 She just needs an additional mechanic to her. Giving her anything with Crystalized would be a great start.
I know the devs stated that Dendro was the final piece of the puzzle for the reaction system but if Geo is going to survive long term it needs a little something more than pure force or crystallise. Navia felt like such an important step in the right direction
As much as it pains me, I don't think geo was ever really alive to begin with. From the very beginning geo was stunted by no reactions, and constant defense scalings. The fact that we almost went 2 years without a single geo character and we still don't have a real geo healer (I'm not counting Noelle) shows how much this element is valued
It's hard to say for sure. Hoyo also likes to manipulate the game meta to promote their new region 5* characters. The Ousia and Pneuma mechanics for example, are rather inconsequential but it does show they would implement new mechanics to make even the less performing units in Fontaine have some value in existing content.
They could always add new similar mechanics in the future for Natlan or Snezhnayan characters, so the hope they could do something for geo isn't fully off the table. They may still make light or abyssal power into elements or something similar.
Ultimately geo being underperforming is just one of many things hoyo does not focus on, as they have no competition to drive them to improve the state of the game. It may be best to not be too optimistic but changes could happen in the future.
@@bigpoof3349The thing is that Geo was supposed to be as useful as Anemo but for defence and not offence... but it is not something that can applied to an element, something they didn't really realise at first
So to make it work they would have to rethink Geo's combat utility from scratch while adapting it to the current system, but that's not what they're trying to do
They should make 2 changes to make Geo good:
1. Archaic Petra's effect should be innately a part of crystalize (even if it's slightly weaker) OR crystalize shields will heal the user for the total amount of HP the shield had upon breaking or running out of time (turn Geo into the ultimate sustain/tank Element). Also, make Crystalize shields stack in HP when you pick up multiple and allow it to be multiple elements. This will make it feel less bad for picking up multiple crystalize shards.
2. Consider all Geo Units as "constructs" with Geo Resonance. This will make it so characters like Navia and Noelle can synergize with their other members of their own element.
@@emery120 yeah, more or less. As it stands my main idea for geo is embracing crystallize (geo constructs are atrocious). By leaning further into crystallize geo would be functional with other elements (besides anemo and dendro) which would open up a world of options to increase damage and not be mono-geo.
Maybe they could add a character that deals consistent off field geo damage, or perhaps we could finally get the geo healer we've been missing since launch
Navia and Zhongli are the odd ones out since both doesn't scale with Def at all, which is Geo's main stat!
Ningguang also doesn’t scale with def.
Noelle?
@@rexevan6714 You could say Noelle and Itto don’t scale off def, which is mostly true. They’re hu tao. Hu tao likes hp because she’s gains a ton atk. Noelle and Itto like def because they can gain a ton of atk.
GMC, Navia, Zhongli and Ninguang... half of the cast doesn't scale (mainlyO from attack. And thinking about the only pure DEF% scalers is Albedo E, Yun Jin and Gorou I think. Other charatcers or double scalers in one way or in another.
every geo character (except for albedo) scales with attack. there is no "stat" tied to elements. attack is the ofensive stat, def the Tank stat and HP the beefy stat.
I do find it interesting that Chiori is a dual scaling character, which makes you wonder if her scaling on atk matters at all unless they wanted to make it seem like she can be a dps(remember she comes with geo infusion and also her signature weapon boosts her normal attacks for some reason). I just wish her normal atk gets boosted based on defense as well as atk
Yeah and you can make your wish be true by Jusssssst get her c6
It might exist just to ensure she will be usable by casuals who don't read what the character scales off.
I had an idea that the atk scaling is there in case you would use her with Navia, who uses Bennett and not Gorou, so Chiori at least gets smth out of him too, at least for the skill cast
@@IronAmethyst This would've been better if she could at least snapshot since she's mostly off-field
It just sucks cause her normal attacks at c0 scale off strictly atk so if you out atk sands then her dolls won’t do any dmg
I think Mono Geo needs a Geo Baizhu: heals, shields (enough for Resonance), and buffs Geo Damage. Perfect 5 star that can be run with Gorou.
I mean, it's not a bad idea, but we already have someone that does that and also deals damage with Noelle, a 4 star character that is very versatile even in before Furina got released
Yeah, that's true but in order for Noelle to heal she needs to be on-field and use her burst to 100% guarantee healing, which is why I think others, including myself, would really like a dedicated geo healer similar to Baizhu or Kokomi. Noelle can most definitely do the job when she's on field but we have no off field dedicated geo healers and C4 Gorou just doesn't cut it in my opinion@@kxhunter8791
@@kxhunter8791 i think they meant an off field healer. noelle really can only heal when she's got her shield on and she's charge attacking
Or a support artifact like vv but geo/crystalize
so you mean a 5* Geo Shenhe
This release of Chiori reminds me of Baizhu. I wasn't playing when he released, but I heard that he was overshadowed by Kaveh's presence and healing wasn't in a popular spot at the time. It wasn't until Furina came out that the majority started taking notice of him. I feel like Geo needs a Furina of some sort to enable the element as a whole (or better yet a re-work of the element itself, copium).
A Geo Furina with moving constructs that auto attack, shield and heal. Almost like if you took Noelle's kit and gave each part to a geo contruct. Also, they could make it so cystallize shields became useful, not just using it as a condition for buffs like in Navia's case. Those shields need a use, or change the whole thing to give other buffs besides shields. Ex: An Electro Shield that give ER and ATK Speed or Hydro Shield that gives Healing Bonus and Max HP. Buffs that actually matter for that particular element.
@@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person I feel like we’d be lucky if hoyo decides to even do a character version of archaic petra 😢
Just use Furina 😂 Noelle, Chiori, Gorou, Furina is what I'm doing
The difference is, Baizhu's niche was covered by YaoYao, who was already a good character, but he also offers reaction buffs on top of that.
Albedo's place in his few teams is "better than nothing" and her kit is 99% the same as albedo. She doesn't bring anything new to the table that could save her in the future.
lmoa what, everybody agreed that his healng and buff are so comfortable to use even before Fontain
We need more geo units that revolve around constructs
A Geo construct main DPS would tie Chiori’s kit all together (Marionette?). We also need more crystallize focused units. A crystallize healer would be insane.
I agree, if they do not want to make new reactions give us more options. Really need a construct dps in the game rn.
Almost all geo units do and they are almost all useless. Only geo units I find usefull ARE COINCIDENTALLY THE ONES WITHOUT CONSTRUCTS. Navia and Noelle (Ningg is also fun af but mainly cause her screen actually does something other than "hehe pulse dmg). This game does indeed have 7 elements...Hydro, Dendro, Anemo, Pyro, Electro, Cryo and Physical. Geo has NO ROOM in this game and nothing can change that
@@SafineyaZhongli, Traveller and in a roundabout way Albedo and Ning are the only geo characters who make geo constructs. Of them non really get big benefits from them besides the pulse
They break too easily, so unless it's Itto's Ushi or Chiori's Tamoto which can be moved around (Ushi) and don't explode once a boss so much as inches in their direction, there's no hope in that department.
what I hate is the fact that once constellations were considered an extra now they are necessities, new characters don't feel complete
Furina's complete at C0, so is Navia.
you dont need a constellation to make full use of chiori
I actually like it, so we get to pull more for fun
@@Personpersonpersonpersonsaid no person without gambling addiction
@@adrianrandom3448 i think its fair design
I only pulled Chiori because she has, in my mind, one of the best outfits in the game (from top to bottom, if you know what I mean). I didn't expect much from her usability and power level because her skill set can't really fit in any team aside from mono geo teams. Right now, I'm just putting her with Navia, Zhongli, and my C2 Furina because I don't have better options. I may build Noelle and Gorou and test their combination with Chiori later.
That's a solid Chiori team ngl. Total agree about her outfit btw, I doubt I'd have skipped her if Arle wasn't coming out so soon 😭 Chiori has gorgeous animations, a fun personality, and cool gameplay. In terms of playability, she's as fun as Kazuha to me
Same! Design wise she stole my heart, she's pretty like a doll but i really see no use to her in my account. At least i'll be using her in open world!
C6 Noelle C6 Gorou, C1 Chiori and furina is a powerful team. The problem is... You know, how premium it gets. As an owner of this team though I have no regrets for these characters.
chiori at C0 btw, it's still decent as her damage is mostly an albedo sidegrade without constructs. Her energy generation is a little slower but it only increases energy reqs by like 2-4 percent.
All I think it takes to make geo better is to release a team wide geo healer in order to enable itto and furina to work together (c4 gorou is a joke and doesn’t count)
If chiori did this with her burst I would have pulled for her 😢
her being the only character people arent talking about in the version she comes out is pretty telling of her place in the meta
Chiori as a whole is future proof for what's coming to new geo characters, but the only thing I'm so mad about is that using her skill to swap characters and try to her swap on-field can deal more damage than her using geo-infusion that intend to make her an on-field DPS, like it so inferior which is expected cause her NA's just scales ATK but like you get my point.
Yeah I don't udnerstand why you don't get the coordianted attack by on-fielding her... it is feel intentionally bad.
future proof just sounds like another bag holder cope.
If Chiori is future proof, then Albedo is too. So, hard cope.
The infusion is more a co-op thing I'd imagine. The swap only gives HER the buff for 8 seconds, so there is definitely an argument for having the Geo-Infusion over the swap buff.
Yea its for coop and c6 bait for whales. Also, there is a benefit to using it if you have an off-kilter rotation like you need to generate crystal shards for navia before she can get off her skill if she's out of bullets
I think Geo, specifically mono-geo, would be fixed if they added a Geo version of Baizu, where they can heal the entire party, give a shield and buffs the party damage from one of his talents. The party wide healing could also allow for Furina to be slotted in. At that point, the mono geo team would be Itto/Gorou/Furina and them. Chiori I think is designed for the double geo core with Zhongli, and then Navia and Yun Jin stand out on their own, the former with her own team, the latter with Yoimiya and Ayato
New-ish Genshin Player here (since October 2023) and I always wonder why they're not giving Geo more offensive elemental reactions (instead of only having Crystallize) with a few other elements to make it more interesting to use?
For example:
Geo + Pyro = Molten
Geo + Hydro = Erode
Geo + Electro = Shatter (similar to when lighting hits sand and creates glass)
Geo + Dendro = Overgrowth
Like I wonder.
Shatter is already a reaction in Genshin. Get a frozen enemy then hit them with claymore.
Geo's theme is being inert and unmoving. Having reactions goes against its theme.
Also it really doesn't need new reactions. It just needs crystalize getting buffed.
People would prefer using fire, Lightning, and wind powers, rather than throwing rocks.
Unless they make throwing rocks interesting new geo reactions I mean...!!!
@@saahil0855Throwing Rocks doesn’t have much reactions tho. Its just pure unga bunga energy lol
When rock bending is done right,it can be better than any other bending
imagine if there was sand though...
Speak for yourself -- Zhongli's meteor and Ningguang's gems are some of the most beautiful attacks in game
A game about element reactions, geo has none. Most dull element
Crystalise exists, so they have a reaction
@@tstrashychannel7115 yeah ok
@@tstrashychannel7115doesn't count
@@dootdoot5617 I wished they made crystalize do something like buff the corresponding element dmg by 40% and collecting shards releases a small aoe based on that element as well. THAT would make geo a fun element.
@@tstrashychannel7115 It does! Sadly it's nearly worthless.
My girl deserved a better and a more creative kit 💖
Look she’s ok but she kinda got the yoimiya treatment since you know 4.6 is gonna be huge and people won’t really pull for her because of arlecchino so ya she probably won’t get much pulls even though she isn’t bad in my eyes
And kazuha nivullete in the same Patch hoyo loves the yoimiya treatmsnt
Geo is like Dot in HSR except Dot got kafka. Geo needs unit that does for it what Kafka does for dot.
Turns out having an element which doesnt interact with other elements, in a game revolving about that interaction, is a bad idea, who would have thought
Turns out that that both itto and navia are amazing carry....shocking
@@ziebus904 I use them, I've also used Noelle longer than Inazuma has existed. There is no such thing as a good geo carry. Ganyu was better than Noelle, Raiden was better than Itto and Neuvi' is better than Navia, since the're all hyper carries they should be compared to other hypercarries and they simply come up short.
@@BBP-OMO "raiden better than itto"....ye so you just dumb
@@BBP-OMO raiden is hypercarry
i dont understand that mechanist statement at the end, Chiori`s dolls are just Yae-turrets or Oz, they arent some new identity for a character
Yeah she's literally Geo Fischl
@@hallyuniversecloser to Yae with one totem xd
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wheres the proof?
Let me guess, you watch Yeji
Chiori will probably benefit from every geo release specially if they bring one with constructs, but the lack of it right now just put her in a drought state where you dont know exactly where to put her at all, i guess she will be fine in a Navia team with Zhongli and Yelan or maybe a double geo core with her and Zhongli with Hutao/Yelan; and of course she is good in a Monogeo with Itto, she is fun, easy to build and pack quite a punch but she just doesnt have many things to work with and her C1 is just a bad joke towards Navia Players
i mean we already have one of the best in the game being zhongli
Also Chiori has the most unfortunate timing to come out since we're getting Neuvillete and Kazuha reruns and then Arlecchino next patch. And kazuha and Neuvillete are both S+ tier characters
Nothing unfortunate about it. They put Kazuha and Neuvilette banners on phase 2 because they know they're going to take a sales hit on phase 1.
It's the same thing with Yoimiya. Being positioned right before a highly-anticipated character is brutal.
even IF Kazuha and Neu arent the S+ tier characters, Chiori is completely useless uncomparably to some of 4* characters in the game with one strike.
@randello1601 also she ONLY works in mono geo teams so if you don't have Navia, Itto, or Zhongli then goodluck. I just don't like the restrictions she has on her kit. I get they're trying to make geo viable, but going this way where you need other good geo characters to make it work is just not the best way to go about it
Xinyan's constellation 2 isn't weirdly worded, it does exact what is says. Holding charged attack now cost less stamina, along with dealing extra damage based on her defense stat.
Remember the "Navia will save Geo" and later "Chiori will save Geo" cope?
But navia really saved geo
@@mrdarkninja3571 Ok, tell me one thing she did for Itto, Gorou and Yun Jin. And before the "what about the rest hurr durr?" - everyone outside these three who is not named John Lee can function as a battery for Navia. What a glorious salvation she brought to them, sidegrading from being a battery for Itto teams to being a battery for Navia.
@@mrdarkninja3571 she doesn't save Geo at all, Navia saved herself DESPITE being Geo
But she is self sustainable
And look at element its geo we are talking about in that category navia way better than chiori
.5 curse continues basically.
Imo, something that could help a lot geo is units that benefit even more of the constructs and charged attacks, i suspect yunjin was meant to boost charged attacks too, but that was changed since at the moment that would have boosted way too many already op characters like hu tao and ayaka, but now should be a good moment to try it out, and as for geo constructs, there should be at least a character that allows more than 3 geo constructs and for example, makes them blow up like nilou bloom, or them to have a coordinated attack like with zhongli pilars based on defense, i think geo would benefit with a 4 star like that
She is 6 seconds away from being great. I am referring to her E cooldown. The doll duration is already longer then her E cooldown, and her base normal attack scaling is dogwater without C6, so further gating her infusion behind that cooldown just makes her feel bad and confusing to play.
Geo won't be saved by any new Geo character, Navia also didn't save Geo. It would take an entire rework in order to make Geo better. Navia is strong herself but didn't make the other Geo characters better.
Geo is fine just doesnt have characters
They should make a Chevreuse but for Geo-Anemo teams that just generates random elemental auras 😂
Made Navia to finally break free of the Geo curse of single mono boredom
makes Chiori a single mono boredom
Here's to hoping that when/if Sandrone gets dropped as a unit she's a Geo unit and her big fuck off robot that she's with in the Fatui traler is part of her kit and is a geo construct.
I was hoping she would focus on buffing and healing via the constructs. And even grant bonuses to summons like Furina and Fischl. That way, Geo can get in on a few different teams.
should made her dolls work with any entity(yae, fischl, furina, etc.) could been a nice off field sub with shielding capabilities thanks to crystalize, maybe even tweak her abilities to work better with crystalize too
I pulled Chiori because (1) her design is amazing, (2) I had the spare Fates after losing my last 50/50 and getting Mona on the new Chronicled banner, and (3) now I have her I finally have a way to make my Ningguang usable again with Charlotte and Furina.
NB: Had to try for her weapon too for the drop, and I got that too. Yay!
Probably going to lose my next 50/50 though.
As a full geo player, which only plays Geo, I would suggest one big unit change -
If Chiori scaled with Elemental mastery, and her ultimate would strip enemy geo resistance by the element mastery %, and dolls would deal damage based on that as well.
She would straight up be a good unit, which would help whole GEO element and would be usable with nearly all geo units
What I think could've helped her slightly is by giving her a longer infusion, about 7 or 8 seconds. Having the infusion lasts for half her skill cd means she can dish out a bit more damage before finishing with her burst and cycle through supports again in the remaining half of her cd
one thing you missed is that if you pair her with zhongli u can use her in any team you dont need to use her with mono-geo
That's what I was thinking. Her+zhongli with hu tao and xinqui since I don't have yelan
Ningguang and Noelle are my only other geo options, so Chiori will make a fine addition to my Navia team. I pulled her early and there are no other future units to save for, so I'll try for her c1.
I feel you. I wanted her to be a catalyst user to tie in more toward her being a seamstress and weaving with her hands. Maybe adding in speedboosts and super armor to her teammates to work with the idea of thicker and thinner fabrics.
Definitely some strange stuff going on with Chiori.
Let's face it- geos never gonna be good, it's far from being saved. Navia was the closest we got, but chiori realy doesn't help geo. It's kinda sad
There was a good chance to revive the element with Chiori but Mihoyo failed miserably. They could have made her a healer and it would have buffed geo reaction to the next level cause of furina.
Itto, furina, gorou, chiori or Navia, chiori, furina, bennett. Both teams would have performed exceptionally well.
@@SomeOneUnrestricted or maybe like a crystallize buffer based on the element.
@SomeOneUnrestricted best chance to revive Geo was with dendro release, yet they didn't . Geo its doomed 😂
As a wise tc said "team is as good as the weakest member"....you want to know why monogeo was shit?....BECAUSE IT HAD FUCKING ALBEDO
12:16 i dont believe so. We had 4.3 as filler and 4.5 aswell
We are getting a dainsleif quest, an archon quest part 2 ( which is always hype). We are still missing an archon interlude quest
It seems like we are still going to be getting new units released until 4.8 and arlachino is coming
At the very least, 4.6 is gonna be a banger patch
I have had this character concept since the release of fontaine. This character is a tinkerer who... well tinkers. They're whole concept is that they have a hobby of making gizmos and gadgets to help with your average daily life. For gameplay I theorized that they are a geo character who places down supportive robots who deal geo damage/buff your team. If they released this character and did them right, this concept character could absolutely bring geo into regular teams!
I managed to win the 50/50 and I wanted her so much. I started the game like three weeks ago and my aim is to build the Noelle/Furina/Yelan team, and once I saw Chiori I wanted her for that team (I know Gorou would be better, but I don't want to use him xD)
Free off-field damage, most likely buffed by Furina, and free geo particles+resonance for Noelle? Yes pls, I don't need Gorou to stack more damage buffs XDDD
Also, design and attitude won me so hard XDDD
Here's a thought, what if geo reaction shields also gave a crit buff while active?
genuinely a very good video, as a geo main i enjoy this kind of speculation and discourse. theres only one thing, and its a minor gripe i have with how many people refer to geo units. in my opinion geo units which serve "mono-geo" arent "true geo" units. mono geo is simply a sub-section of geo and always has been, since ningguang and geo traveller have existed since 1.0, both of which scales off atk. I personally believe a "true geo" unit is one which can make geo a more utilised element and makes proper use of its reaction (aka navia), similar to how furina yelan and xingqiu make hydro such a busted element (not to discredit the power of hydro reactions as a base). in my opinion, chiori is the first "mono-geo" unit in the last 2.5 years.
People say Navia didn't save geo, however i think she presents a good prospect for geo's future. The best case scenario is a unit/artifact set or whatever that can make geo as a whole better, but unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen, due to how different mono-geo and crystalise-geo are (ningguang and geo traveller can use crystallise with the new set too right??).
As a first day player when zhongli and albedo were released, the first thing comes to my mind the about future of geo were a terrain changer, using contruct to change terrain. Example like mc geo burst that make surrounding area block opponent direction, that time i think some future character can make a cage construct, better than mc geo burst as atternative to venti suction burst this way overload reaction would be more viable as they are trap in a cage. Or make cannon contruct well we do have navia burst as air strike as cannon but not construct and chiori has those doll which somewhat close to my idea of cannon construct. I mean zhongli skill has resonance to any geo construct so i think they have that idea but it kinda hard to make a reality so they scrap and turn other geo like doll as non construct but have another copy if there is one geo construct maybe too much geo construct would lage the game so they put limit. So my idea of geo were like edward elric from full metal alchemist or earthbender iguess.
I'm playing her rn with ninguang, furina, and a flex healer
They do a crazy amount of burst
The rotation is short and really nice to use
But I agree that it feels like she is going to be one of those units that gets "completed" later on
I am still happy I got her especially since her design is top notch
When i think about geo there are a few things that i think could help geo at this point,
first would be giving Gorou a better artifact set, it would be something that would give other members of the party energy recharge but makes it so he can obtain all 3 buffs without another geo character or at least 2 of the buffs on his own(it would make him useable for Navia teams because his ult can pick up the crystalize also the geo buff).
second would be to as you said have a geo buffer, but having the character be a healer so they can work with Furina
lastly, add better reactions. i saw people talking about crystalize giving buffs based on the crystalize shard but the problem with this is that depending on the buffs you maybe forced into trying to use crystalize that does the most damage, id say crystalize should mostly remain the same(maybe) but instead buff the characters based on the amount of shards you have picked up, similar to how Navia works and the archaic petra but its useable for all elements not just one at a time
these are just my thoughts on the subject and at this point i am a lot less hopeful than in the past, over time my confidence in the performance of hoyo has dropped
i use chiori with ninnguang furina and kuki shinobu where you get nice aoe damage with electro charged and then chiori and furina just doing high off field damage and its more as a quickswap team where it doesnt matter whos on field cuz the enemies die anyway its a really fun braindead team but it sucks that i only have 2 teams where i can make use of chiori since i never played geo before getting her
I currently run Itto on my Team 2 and manage to make him work even in floor 12, however I do agree he is really held back by a lack of solid support units aside from Zhongli. Having trialled Chiori and taking what you have said into account I will 100% be pulling for her. She seems to be the perfect 3rd slot and will finally allow me to start Mono-Geo rather than 2 Geo - 2 Cryo.
For Mono-Geo Itto to really work we need a better Gorou (or off-field Noelle/Geo Kokomi/Geo Faruzan), but Gorou will suffice for the mean time. Looking at the long term, I highly doubt we won't get Geo support to take slot 4 at some point in the future, it's just a question of how long we will have to wait.
im mostly pulling for overworld stuff after clearing abyss, and she fits in there perfectly.
I saw a comment somewhere that said "Navia didn't save Geo, she saved herself from Geo..." and this honestly couldn't be more true now
Your videos butter My biscuits thank you
I kind of wish when dendro was added they made it have some sort of synergy with geo that was different than crystallize
I feel like the interaction space between rocks and plants is a pretty wide playing field, and probably would've given some credence to geo
I think a really easy and simple way to help out geo would be to make navias ability to draw geo crystals towards her base kit for everyone and no input required , and just increase the distance of navias ability to compensate. Also I think something that might help would be making it so that all geo crystals gave you energy ( of rheother element that made it in the reaction) nothing crazy maybe like 5 or 3 on the lower side but it would def be interesting imo
Hi. I played a full geo for a long time, Zhongli C2, Gorou C6, Albedo, Itto C2. The squad performed, for the most part, very well.Despite the fact that Albedo has always been a flex slot, the damage from his E nicely complemented the team's damage.
In the latest update, I upgraded Itto to C6, and it made no difference whether I had Albedo or not. His damage is simply not visible. There is a suspicion that if it is replaced with Chiori, there will not be much difference. Even if she deals twice as much as Albedo in my team.
What is curious is that even if the difference is “significant”, the slot still remains a flex, and Itto’s power still has nowhere to go, because there is nothing that could survive at least one rotation (excluding invulnerable bosses and high-level elemental shields).
In general, Chiori is not for geo right now, although she can be useful/fun. Maybe this really is another foundation for the distant future. Didn't pull for her, pointless tbh.
Oh thank you!
I was wondering if I should exchange my Albedo for Chiori in the same team
I feel like there was a similar-ish complaint when yae miko came out, only for her to get instantly buffed in the next version of the game. I have a feeling that chiori will get much more viable the more geo characters we get
I was so sad to see that she doesn't work with Navia, it would make perfect sense lore wise
She does work with Navia even at C0, Chiori is still her best in slot Geo teammate. Does more damage than Albedo at C0, and at C1 her damage is way higher than Albedo's.
Just stu you have furina....
@@ziebus904 what? What are u talking about
@@Kenji_Endo you want furina or chiori...pick your poison...because itto doesnt have any access to furina so stfu
i feel like genshin devs just found out how to make elemental skills more flexible because xianyun can e glide/jump e glide/jump e and chiori can switch characters after e.(but they also released kazuha a long time ago who can skill mid air)
Xiao can E Midair as well, the first one who could
I’d love to get her c1 and play her with navia, but I’m already cutting it close for arlecchino. I got lucky with neuvi and furina, getting his c1 and her as well but I doubt I can pull that off again,,
what weapon should i use for chiori? mistsplitter or hod? im using her with navia,furina,bennett
Unless they buff Crystallize or make Shatter reactions CRIT like Quicken reactions do,
Geo, Physical and Cryo elements will always remain underperforming in terms of combat.
Congrats you made 2 shit decisions in just 1 comment im impressed
i like her, but i think i’m going to wait to see if geo gets a character that will buff her, but right now furina nilou and wriothesley are way higher up on my priority list and i need to save my precious primos for them
i absolutely love navia she’s my current main her play style is something i really enjoy but i would kill for her to be a different element
I'm over here running Chiori + Ning and two flex spots. Depending on what you need: off field dps, shielder, healer, buffer. For me I went with Fischl and Layla. Personally I didn't really see any downsides with Ning as Chiori's partner in non-mono geo. Even when running in the 4.5 Abyss 12 some of the teams felt pretty good personally.
Okay, so say we had a Gorou that made a geo construct and was maybe useful outside of mono Geo. That would make Chiori a lot more practical, yeah?
Personal hot take, Geo is basically fancy physical damage in elemental damage form when used as DPS. As elemental reaction, very lackluster and missed the intended design of Geo that represents as defensive buff element.
I'll just stick with Noelle (fairly built and became fairly usable with Furina) if I need Geo DPS and gonna pull for Redhorn this patch.
Not just fairly usable. Noelle’s straight up better than Itto in every way in a Furina team
9:23 I mean, Gaming exists, and he can output quite a punch
Imagine completely forgetting that the double-geo core exists and focusing exclusively on mono-geo.
my favorite team with her is actually a double geo double electro team using chiori, zhongli, yae miko, and fischl
and it actually works really really well
If I were to redesign chiori's kit i'd have made her scale off of EM similar to nahida's kit. Making her work with crystalize.
First would be her skill, i'd make it scale with atk and EM. Something like 100% ATk + 200% of her EM for the initial hit while every subsequent hit by the dolls would scale off of EM more than atk.
I would also remove the ICD and increase the atk rate of the dolls to further hammer home the fact that she is meant to trigger crystallize.
For her burst, i'd simply do the same but i'd add the effect that is similar to navia's skill. For every crystallize shard the party absorbed up to a limit of 10 she does more dmg on top of her burst's base dmg.
It's like she is cutting through the crystallize shields to cause a backlash of elemental damage.
For her ascension passives.
Her first one would revolve around crystallize shards based off of the concept of "self-repairing concrete".
Whenever a character picks up a crystallize shard while chiori is in the party, the entire party will be healed by 50+15% of chiori's EM per stack, up to 3 stacks with a max duration of 5 seconds per stack.
For her last ascension passive, i'll make it so that everytime a party member picks up a crystallize shard, the entire party gets a 15% geo dmg bonus and 15% dmg bonus for the crystallized element.
I genuinely hoot would drop new elemental reactions with geo, like maybe dendro and geo bc they’re both to do with like soil or something
Chiori's is a character that i fully know that i can't really use but still got anyways because she is a sword character, which is already a good sign even though i main Furina 99% of the time. i likely get her C1 next run
Albedo hasn't had a proper rerun in
over a year either, or his own weapons, unless Hoyo specifically say Cinnebar Spindle *is* his signature weapon. But for God's sale can we get some idea he will finally get. Rerun this Year? It's so frustrating
As a mono geo/navia player, i thank you for the video
One thing I want to say about geo is that they can be pretty comfy. Chiori can get a ton of Def, and for her Def is basically just better than attack. There is an appeal to a unit that you don’t have to worry as much about. Not to mention that def does increase interruption resistance.
Crystalize just further exaggerates that.
Geo is all over the place. It doesn’t know if it wants to scale with HP or DEF. Then, it doesn’t know wether to emphasize crystallize reactions or constructs. If a character emphasizes the construct build, then it doesn’t synergies well with other construct characters (Except with Zhongli and now with Chiori) and the constructs are limited to a small quantity based on 2 different types of limiters. World limiters, and character limiters.
all i wanted was for chiori to do something about crystallize like how navia did, literally all they need to do is to make her skill somehow related to those crystallize shards and she'll be both easily synergizing with navia and be probably one of the most fun geo units
As a Navia main, I would've love to use Chiori with her but seriously, they just had to lock her construct restriction removal with C1 and there's no way I would shell out that much primogems just to get C1 Chiori for my Navia. Unless she's C1, she's restricted to being mono geo to unleash her full damage potential
She isn't restricted to mono Geo. Itto and Chiori work just fine; Vars was wrong or forgot about Itto's Skill. It counts as a construct. That leaves you two other spots to vary it up.
It's like a 20% damage loss from her Skill being C0 vs C1 on a Navia team, which isn't huge. She still ends up doing more damage than Albedo at C0 and she's mainly there for supplemental damage and generating Crystallize reaction. C1 Chiori > C0 Chiori = Zhongli > Albedo
than use her, zhongli, navia, and furina(or what ever other flex character you want
1 actually, both chiori and itto want gorou @@karsonkammerzell6955
I misser Chiori due to real life issues. I still love her and want her. I will just wait for next year re run.
They should really make geo and phys synergies with each other. To save both elements
At this point there are so many characters and combinations in the game that I'm rolling for her simply because I like her as a character.
What else am I going to roll for? Weapon banners? And in either case- why would I? I have 2-3 teams that can do the content I care about well enough already.
i know geo reactions lack so much but i can say for sure if you like any geo character go for them. almost all of them are useful for each other with only three chars maybe worth for non geo teams. my first ever limited five star accidentally happened to be arataki itto and he smashes everything on his way. I absolutely would recommend him for any player no matter if they are aware of how genshin impact works or not. i myself got itto in liyue times for my acc yet he still dealt so much damage compared to others that i still owe him for saving my sanity when i was worried i had no proper damage dealers on account and didn't even know how gacha actually functions
I really wish Chiori's potential to work with Navia wasn't locked behind her C1, I can't afford to pull for that while ensuring I can get Arlecchino and Clorinde, and there's no point in pulling for her at C0 since I wouldn't have a team in which I could use her.
I guess I'll just have to hope she gets a rerun or 2 when primo's are a bit less tight.
She powercreeped a unit that is rarely used and I find her very underwelming in the Test Chamber with doing 15k every 3.6 sec with one Doll while Kuki can do with one seed every 1.5 sec 30k and she heals. Chiori also doesn't have buffs like the 120 em from albedo. Maybe I'm missing something but as a Itto owner I rather play xiangling and Bennett or get zhongli at some point. I even go so far to say deyha is more useful
I pulled Chiori. I don’t play the meta because I’m not a sweat and I have sub-zero interest in Alrencino
She’s a fun character. She works pretty well in the Navia team I made. It does feel like she was built for a character who doesn’t exist yet tho.
honestly, fixing geo would mean reworking every geo units that only synegizes with geo
like give geo another elemental reaction maybe
They could just change Crystallize and it would solve all the issues with Geo characters (minus the drawback of scaling with Def, but that's not even really a drawback it just prevents some synergies). Make it buff the damage or other elemental reactions or reduce enemy DEF or something on top of the Crystallize shield.
She is good,id say a character similar to her is nilou.
Both have their niche teams that do very well,but outside of those they both are pretty ehhhhh.
I agree that we lack construct characters for her,its the reason why im skipping out on her right now,my account lacks the units for her to shine.
I do have navia but ngl i might aswell use any other decent subdps like yelan and get the same results.not having that 2nd doll really hurts her dmg.
Really hope we get more reliable construct characters in the future,if i have one of those im sure to go for her
I love the fact that geo is a solo element with no reactions sorta like the underdog in genshin. People are always talking about how geo is trash not how is geo doing. Yes, you have to use the same team but think about it what is ayaka without freeze, diluc without xinchewy, hyperbloom team without kuki. So yea geo is ❤the best
Geo’s reaction is crystallize but because it focus on shielding it’s not very good (the shield also barely protects). The other specialization for Geo is in construct building, which is worse than the crystallize focus because of how limited and gimped it is.
The crystallize reaction is the easiest to change and improve upon, may even have characters be useable if they provide different buffs for having said shield, but currently not many do. As for construct building, it needs a rework, the quantity of the constructs are limited to the world capacity stuck at 3, and even then, characters each have a limit to the amount they are able to create, with most only able to produce 1 at a time. Some constructs can barely take much damage making them and their abilities obsolete if they’re destroyed (that’s not even mentioning the fact they already have a limited active lifespan to begin with), and finally to top it off they barely synergize with other constructs in proximity, usually providing independent functions
It would be great if hoyo made geo support who scale with em and deff to make crystalize it's main gimmick to make shield variation 😔
I feel like Chiori specifically wants a geo healer who also makes a construct. Then we can get a core of her, this hypothetical character, and Furina going.
Yeah it's really hard to run a sustainable team with Chiori without Zhongli/Noelle and Gorou.
I see what they're trying to do, but like you said, we need a 5 star Gorou or geo Faruzan to complete the new mono geo.
She seems like a character for the future, but given how neglected Geo is as a whole, I don't know how far away that future is, or if it'll even come at all.
The only geo character I use is Zhongli and I only use him for a beefy shield and reaching things with his pillar. I built Albedo, but that's the only other geo character I built and I never use him. Geo is like yellow physical to me so I just ignore it.
I personally really like that Chiori works well with a mono-geo teams, or semi mono-geo. Her working on a team with Itto and Gorou is entertaining to me. A team of Inazuma geo characters, how fun haha. Also because Ushi counts a geo construct, you don't need to bring in other geo characters, with said ability, if not wanted. No Zhongli, Albedo, Ningguan or Geo Traveler required here. The last slot could be someone like Kokomi or Kuki. Characters that not only provide healing but in addition have off field applications. They can help spark crystalize. A reaction that further boosts the team, and that alot of people don't fully understand. Either way I like Chiori, her being a geo is an absolute win to me.