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Mona's always been a niche character for her unique damage amplification debuff, allowing her to excel in a fair bit of situations. But with how expansive the hydro roster has become, is she still in a good spot? Today we'll look through Mona's history to find out if she withstood the test of time.
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Not even Mona could predict what would happen to her place in the meta
She could join IPC, for better future
@@joehanz9217different game world..😂
@@manoharalisa5829 Actually no, they're in same Universe
@@joehanz9217no they’re not
@@akamistify we might unlock Teyvat in future HSR, who knows, everything is Possible
To think, we were worrying if Furina would powercreep Xingqui's application and dmg or Kokomi's healing and survivability just for her to absolutely gut Mona's buffing and exploration.
And the fact Furina works well with both Xingqiu and Kokomi, but not so much Mona too
@@NeonWilderfurina heal, can buff, can apply hydro, can decrease your hp too.. she is so good.. and especially her skill can active forever and walk on water.. she is too good.. 10 score for Furina..
Do people walk on water that often? Bc I still prefer Mona for overworld
@@NeonWilderMy DPS Mona gives that the finger. People are too meta-brained to think outside the box
@@5nanometers probs not but Furina doesn't risk drowning because you ran out of stamina because her skill lasts longer than it's cd.
As a Mona main since Version 1... it is such an honor to see her getting compared to Hydro Archon. I know she would lose in terms of both gameplay & popularity, but my girl has come a long way🥹
Mona main since day one as well~
Mona mains union
Don't worry man. Mona is light years more popular than Furina when it comes to you know what 😏
Thank you, I'm not the only Mona Mains til now
Mona's on-field hydo application for Dendro teams is pretty epic. So that's always viable.
Honestly with Furina, who actually has off-field DPS plus can buff way more than mona with a longer duration that affects all characters and better, 100% uptime hydro-app, her buff isn't that unique anymore. She's still good but in basically all teams Furina is better. Even her sprint got outclassed because furina can just straight up walk on water permanently without worrying about stamina
i think the only thing mona has over furina is that you don't really need to use healers. but Even then i think Furina plus Healers is still better. now as for mona and Kazuha idk which though maybe similiar. you could run some weird stuff like mona and furina together with mona as a cope PTA healer.😂😂😂
i mean still for snapshot showcases i would prefer mona+kazuha over furina as she needs healers and her max dmg bonus takes time to achieve
@@Pingpong009snapshot showcases are only for show though
stop comparing and use them together lmao
just like Yelan and Xinq drama, a lot of drama, but good duo🥸
yeah sad truth
She fell off because she decided to open a bakery cause HOLY SHI-
THOSE BUNS
Then, a certain cryo husbando opened a cake factory next to her bakery.
Then, a certain cryo husbando opened a cake factory next to her bakery.
There’s nothing there tho
The most Divine bakery I could ever experience~
The competition is tough among hydro supports, I noticed that in the long term it's not about dealing the most damage that make you pick a unit over another. When choosing two teams for abyss, I think most people (including me) just go with the team that will get them the easiest clear rather than the fastest. It can be seen in most tier list or usage rate data where Sucrose who is technically better than Kazuha in some teams is at the bottom because everyone and their mother prefer Kazuha because it's easy to play. Why do people play Kokomi in Ayaka premium while Mona with prototype amber can also do the job? Why is Zhongli always on top despite being a DPS loss? Comfort is probably one of the biggest factor and Mona is so impractical to use that I am not surprised to see. She is good, but losing a few seconds in abyss can get you way easier runs and less resets with the right units.
Plus that cooler factor that Kazuha brings, he groups people by simply jumping and then does that juicy amount of aoe dmg which everyone likes to see. Sucrose may be as much simple, she isn't supposed to group while she actually can tho and it is not necessarily her main thing, she is also a powerful driver. I tried the latest and I can't go back anymore, while Kazuha usually plays another team, so... I think Sucrose isn't liked as much because people just sleep on her and didn't bother to actually understand what that unit really can bring on the table, may she be as much simple and comfy as Kazuha. Their conclusion is always five stars > four stars.
I think Vars once again either forgot or underestimated the impact of Shenhe's release and how she changed the scales in Mona vs Kokomi in Morgana-like teams
Kokomi's popularity skyrocketed while Mona have lost the last bastion - her niche.
Eh no he didn't forget. Mona is better in Morgana. Kokomi is better in freeze, dendro and in general Ayaka teams, which techinically isn't Morgana. Morgana itself fell off affecting just as much as on Ganyu and Venti's popularity.
@@apanaama3703 Yes but originally Mona was better than Kokomi in those teams. You said yourself she's only viable in Morgana, she's fallen off, and Kokomi + Shenhe as strombago mentioned outclassed her even more in freeze teams
@@LongDeadArtist Kokomi isn't better, she is comfortable, Mona was still part of the best possible team if you had enough skill (on a freeze team -.-) to no need a healer, Furina didn't even affect how freeze teams placed in the meta, Hoyo making freeze not work against half of the content is what's really making it sink into nothingness.
This abyss literally has a side with 3 boss fights and one resist cryo, the other side would be a better call but with so many good hydro characters why would I subject myself to that torture? this game has too many defensive options and no content really needs it, what's the point of freezing the enemy if the goal is to kill shit as fast as humanly possible? 1.0 made so much sense when it came to abyss line ups, nowadays we have these units with CC taunts and what not and they get outshined easily because dealing more damage is better...
But that's just in the freeze team
Furina seals the deal 😅😅😅
She was my second hydro with my hu Tao and I was hitting 100k charged attacks but now Furina just makes every team (my hu Tao team included) so much better, I can’t justify using Mona anymore 💀
I use Furina AND Mona, 4th can be Kazuha, Sucrose or if you don't have Furina's C2 then Jean or Bennet or some other healer.
how about not having Furina so still using Mona?
@@MeryKeitthere's the options of xing qiu, yelan and furina so if you really want to you can double hydro both sides
I find it funny that I finally pulled for Mona the day this video was released and what made it even more coincidental is that I finally did Archon Quest: Act 5 of Fontaine and I had no idea she would even appear during the Archon Quest, it's almost as if it was fate that this would happen.
same I got her the day the video was uploaded
IMO, only thing is missing with her is a good off-field application, no matter how much she buffs, good application is a top priority in the hydro roster, she herself struggles this yet alone being a support, and I don't think her Burst doesn't compensate enough for its short duration in long fights. Overall, she's not consistent, do hope that they tweak her constellations to more support oriented rather than CA dps.
true but she's just a standard character so it's unlikely they would give her any direct buffs
@@mickysaif Correction: She's a Genshin character, so it is unlikely they'll give her any direct buffs. Standard or not doesn't matter.
@@Axterix13the only genshin character to get buffs after their official ingame release was Zhongli
Mona was always best as the screenshot meme character or the alternative support for those that had her and not the optimal limited version and I think she's still that tbh and that's fine. More options are available now though and so, she's kinda inevitably just getting powercrept out of play and at this stage, that's okay.
Your expectation vs. reality joke at 5:38 pierces me so personally- I tried to roll for Furina but instead only managed to get my first Mona
Something I’ve noticed is that in the early days of Genshin, many characters were purely burst or normal attack focused leaving their skill to not really matter much outside of energy. Bennet,Xiangling,Mona,Rosaria,and razor are some characters like this. There some exceptions like Childe, but for the most part this was the case. In more recent times, characters’ kits have become more multifaceted and both burst AND skill utility rather than just being one or the other.
I mean......does a character REALLY fall off when no new difficulty of content is being released....she's still got what it takes to do everything in the game. Characters fall off in games like Final Fantasy Brave Exvius where content comes out and the older character simply cannot survive....so far I haven't seen that in genshin.
Tbh mona herself is a decent character, she has serviceable hydro application and amazing set up for burst dmg but got overshadowed by units who have does better or have more roles than her 😭😭
she's a standard character and atleast she wasn't power crept sooner like how diluc was
Yeah despite all that she never saw much use. Healerless freeze was her team but kokomi was just more comf and the dps wasnt an issue.
@@luminous3558 Prototype amber Mona was a thing for this, but with Kazuha, the extra damage from Mona was deminished. Also if you think about it, Koko really replaced Mona only when Corrosive began to be a problem.
serviceable app only for like freeze or forward vape(if she's Vaping.) but outside of that she kinda is ehh for other teams, because her duration is like really low and from testing she feels clunky to use her animations are long, Her ER reqs are high and a long burst animation.
With the release of mika and freminet specializing in shatter and physical dmg, I think they’re getting the thoma/kuki treatment where their real strengths may come at a later update (potential freeze/shatter rework?).
My point here is that mona seems like a really good shatter candidate with her Nuke play style and shatter’s unique application.
Or I’m just copium…
Probably. Most of what she does, Furina can still do better...even in shatter and physical
Freeze/shatter rework might come when Snezhnaya update goes live.
I mean they can always buff her indirectly with a set that would focus on debuff duration/strength
@@basedalexwon’t happen bc the ‘standard characters’ are meant to be shite. Fanbase just takes it as a given but in fact the 50/50 and limited shitty standard roster is a very cynical mechanism designed to make people spend more when they lose out on it. Wouldn’t work as well if those so called standard characters were actually good or they added the event characters over time. I mean it would still work bc you would get a random character instead of the one you wanted, but it wouldn’t work quite as well
When I first got Mona back in version 1.4, I understood her Burst mechanics easily. I loved the technical nuance behind them and it always felt so satisfying to get those huge Vaporize nuke numbers. It’s really sad to see such a mentally stimulating kit made moot thanks to a certain Archon.
Still, she was my first 5 star, so, I’ll always find a use for her. She and Furina have been surprisingly fun to use together with Kokomi. 😊
The best kind of mindset
Mona is this strange unit that cannot seem to find her place in the meta and yet you always have a way to make her work to some degree. I may be a Mona main, but I know fully well that she's a unit that is hard to find a use for and the best thing she's really known for is screenshots. As meta progressed, the units that were released alongside Mona was buffed indirectly. e.g. Keqing and Quicken reaction. And with Furina's release, we got the very first unit that actually have a kit similar to hers. Nonetheless, I'd still consider her as a worth it unit to build since Furina can only be in one team. Building both Mona and Furina means you have two hydro units that boosts damage available to you.
Mona is definitely versatile, but she's also replaceable. But I think that's what made me like her so much that I decided to main her. It's fun to think up fun ways to use her. I even mess around with her and Furina in freeze and mono hydro team. And well, since Mona's burst is a debuff while Furina's burst is a buff, it's actually fun to see how they work with each other. As you mentioned though, there are other better hydro units to use. But considering those "better" units are limited characters while Mona is a standard, you may as well just build Mona if you already have her.
I use Mona in all of my overworld exploration and haven't gone a single abyss without her ever since I got her,
to me her gameplay is just too satisfying
what teams do you use her in
@@mickysaif I use her mainly with Hu Tao (with XQ and Zhongli) and I run her with Fischl a lot cuz I like those 2 (plus Venti if I feel extra lazy)
guys Mona is no longer broke. She now is very wealthy and cant stop spending money on random gadgets, she even picked up a nice boy. She works on a space station and has dyed her hair pink
(She's also a kid with a gang?)
what are you yapping about 😭
Don't forget she switched her studies to Astronomy instead. I love this Asta and Mona sharing an English va.
was this in response to my comment about Mona -> Furina power creep? As a Mona main I am not very surprised that she would lose popularity as the game went on. what I think happened is that while everyone was wondering how the hydro archon could power creep Yelan and Xingqiu, hoyoverse remembered the hydro character on the back burner, took everything flawed about her kit, fixed it, and then released her as the hydro archon. Mona's a standard banner character, and as such I kind of knew they would never let her be the best at what she does.
Furina now does everything better that Mona could do
1) 75% vs 60% bonus
2) Burst lasts a 3 times longer
3) Hydro application from E skill lasts many many times more
4) Can walk on water compared to Mona-Dash
Only thing is that Mona's buff is unconditional, direct buff, while Furina's requires to fill a fanfare to get the bonus, thus mostly requiring a healer
But still, Eventhough she has probably the most confusing burst mechanics among all characters, she's probably one of the those characters to have an easiest access to hit 1 million dmg with proper setup
( She was my first ever 5 star I got, now C2, and holds record for me, for highest single strike dmg, 500k with lvl 8 burst! )
( I used her with my first teams, with Nahida ( my first banner character in 3.2 ), Raiden, Ayaka almost always used Mona, and most importantly, every screenshot dmg I did was with Bennett - Mona - Sucrose/Kazuha )
Mona's damage increase applies to enemies affected by her omen, and it increases the damage applied to THEM in contrast to furina who buffs YOUR damage. So calculations and annoying theory-craft stuff actually makes the dps increase lower than 60%.
(apologies, I'm a mona main, I love nerding out about her burst)
@@CuriusGorg Heyyy, No wonder people use both together, like when they have Furina C6, back when I got Mona first time, I was sooo happy, roaming around places, zooming with her dash, while my coop friends would have to run 😂, eventually more and more characters came into my account, thus introducing new playstyles and team comps
But still, to this day, for any atk-based dps, I will always choose Mona over Furina to hit those big numbers, alongside Anemo and Benny boy! Its a combo made in heaven! Lastly, being a space enthusiast myself, I can't bring myself to hate getting her either for showing up at worst possible moments
@homudark okay, okay, okay. 1st of all, I'm new to damage calculations, it's normal to be wrong and if I am you can deal with that.
2nd of all, simply because I am wrong does not mean you get to say I'm not a "true mona main" (whatever that means) no need to gatekeep silly anime girl with big ass, I enjoy her playstyle, that doesnt harm you in anyway. You sound really insecure because of that so I'd like to know if you're okay, like genuinely, is anything wrong?
3rd of all, this is my one and only reply to you, I will read your reply to this one (if you choose to) afterward, any further replies or rude comments will be simply ignored
Furina just powercrept her in every way
Every way except the "eye-catching design" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@jaktrep ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I think Mona was meant to be a hydro dps/driver, based on her constalations buffing her damage, giving her free charge attacks within her combo etcetc, but Hoyoverse saw how broken Xiangling was and refused to make another "off field" Pyro dps that someone like Mona would love. Imagine if Klee's burst worked off field? Mona would have an insane team due to being a catalyst user her hydro application onfield is amazing, and with how her burst works she was meant to do a big vape hit.
not if she has ICD of course. i mean one of the reasons why XL is broken is because of how her burst has no ICD.
I know this is a bit of copium but Mona is perfect for Dehya. Her dmg increase lasts as long as Dehyas burst. Of course its hard to make Dehya viable...but if you got a couple of constellations it can be done. Dehya at c4 + Mona is really fun and viable too.
yes! and vape dehya is finding new heights with furina, and you can run both together! it's nice that she has a niche
I like Mona but unfortunately she was way too much powercrept by Furina, she can do everything that Mona does but better, the only reason to use Mona now is if you don't have Furina.
@@Haosnirwell, every game will be boring if you only play whats best. And luckily genshin is easy so there is nothing that forces you to stop playing her. Even if Furina may be better...if you ❤ Mona you can still play her no Problem. Isnt that just nice? Or play both like I do. I will never bench her.
Yeah I played my fair share of dehya (C6) mona, but furina is simply better there. My dehya furina is now punching for 80+ k (I can reach 85 with freedom sword and tenacity, but it's not worth) when she don't vape.
yall are true but not everyone has furina tho
Genshin needs a Level 100 and a new passive talent to save some characters.
Absolutely not, It's already very hard and time consuming to get a character to level 90 with the amount of resin we currently have, can you imagine how long it would take to get a character to level 100? Let alone multiple characters. I fear that it would also make the abyss too easy, say what you want about the Spiral Abyss, at least THAT'S a challenge, if characters could be level 100 like the enemies on floor 12, people could beat the Spiral Abyss very easily and pretty much take away the only combat-related endgame content we have.
It's not a bad idea, don't get me wrong, but it would only work if Hoyoverse increases the resin cap (which might never happen), and makes the spiral abyss even more difficult than it already is. (Which would be a nightmare and essentially ruin the game for F2P players.),
Truee
So a higher lvl of spiral abyss to compensate? Sounds like an overall good idea to me
And how would this help?
@ninatote6426 idk what you consider time consuming but I either 80/90 or 90/90 within a few days of a character release. And on the topic of xp and mora, I agree that xp books are scarce if you are newer to the game but mora you shouldn’t have any issue with mora once you are ar60. I barely have an issue on my f2p account that’s only ar57 so idk what you are doing differently if you have an issue. And yes I do lvl up talents character lvl and weapons for multiple characters
the joke at 6:10 felt a little weird, personally feel like it would've been fine just to say "people found her design attractive" - it's not that big a deal but i could definitely go without it in the future lol. otherwise great analysis as always vars !!!
I totally agree with you! i guess in his defense Mona specifically has been sought after just because of her lower half but as you said it would’ve felt better if he just said her design was attractive as all the genshin girls are lol
i wish i was yomiyas bandages
We did NOT need to know this
Word
especially after a hot and humid days work
Completely unrelated but true 😭
What is wrong with you? 🤨
Mona is the only 5 standard banner character that I've never gotten in ANY account I've used and created. So up until now, I refuse to learn her kit and what she does.
Mona is one of my favourite Genshin characters, and after 2 1/2 years I've still never pulled Mona from Standard Banner or lost 50/50 to her. Maybe that's also my punishment for never pulling Qiqi either. I wouldn't even be mad if I lost 50/50 to Mona at 90 pity, Mihoyo pls give her to me.
i have c5 mona but in 3 years i never got qiqi
I have both Mona and Qiqi C8, and C0 of each other standard 5-star. ;___;
Same I have C69 Qiqi and still no Mona
Same here I got cons for every other standard banner character and I still don’t have Mona 🤦🏾♂️
what happened to Mona? nothing, shes still great. With Prototype Amber Mona has been solo healing one of my spiral abyss sides for ages. As good as XQ and Yelan are, they can't heal. 60% dmg amp + healer + hydro app and she's literally better in Spiral Abyss for me. Kokomi may heal but she doesn't give you damage. Mona is a hybrid between heal/dps so she still has a role. I don't really need a fully dedicated healer cus i can stuff with dodges/ults and just need some minimal healing to stay healthy and not drop down to low hp/to get 1shot over the floors.
The last abyss i used Hu Tao and Mona, Yelan, Furina on the first side with Mona being the sole healer for this team and sure Kokomi would be better here to heal but she'd have no damage amp (although you could argue that she could make better use of Furina's passive but im still not sure if it would be more damage than Mona and i dont have Kokomi either so .. and Mona would still be better in Freeeze so she still has plenty of use left). Out of the starting 5 id say Keqing and Mona are the best still and not because they're best waifu(and are literally the reason why i started genshin) but both are fun to play and very viable
I consider Mona to still be a decent unit but is is indeed true that as Genshin Impact matured she started to become less popular. I think the two major issues that hurt Mona (and discussed by Vars) was the introduction of of the Dendro element and the introduction of Furina.
Probably one of the few characters in Genshin Impact to noticeably be powecrept, although not to the same extent of her fellow 5* units Qiqi and and Diluc.
Mona is at least fortunate that it took a while to happen. Both Diluc and Qiqi were powercrept early in the first year of Genshin by Hu Tao and Diona respectively. For Mona, while she started geting lesser usuage when Dendro came out in 3.0, the final blow did not come until last month when Furina debuted.
The Astrologist should be fortunate that she was able to stay relevant for the last few years.
Not gonna lie, I did start playing Genshin because one of my favorite artists drew her, so I just downloaded the game on a whim.
I see mona vs furina like how we see xinqiu vs yelan. As we know, xq is better hydro application and more defense oriented while yelan is more offensive. On the other hand, mona is great at nuking (as we can freely use kazuha with her unlike furina) while furina is overall better (but still needing a healer).
If you are a mona fan don't freak out. If you payed attention to the background of the video there are tons of instances highlighting teams with mona beating the hardest content in the game. Sure there might be better characters for those teams, but you can forever use your favorite broke mage :)
I think the dream team is Mona, Furina, Yelan, Raiden and you time all the bursts to reach Max damage AMP for Raiden's burst.
You should have mentioned Shenhe as well. Mona-Diona got overshadowed by Shenhe-Kokomi. In my opinion the problem with Mona is that as you mentioned is very hard to play. You can use Pamber Mona with Shenhe but why do that when you can press one button and forget about hydro application.
Shenhe didn’t overshadow diona though? Diona doesn’t do what shenhe does and Vice versa
@@0li-0li28 I'm fairly sure the original point wasn't Diona overshadowing Shenhe, but Shenhe overshadowing Mona (in freeze, obviously), and thus the duo of Shenhe/Kokomi overshadowing the similar duo of Diona/Mona.
And those duos are very similar, although not exact. (Since the Koko version does lack interruption resistance)
You don't want to run diona+mona when you can run kokomi+shenhe.
The only way for mona to be viable or arguably better against kokomi/diona is somehow to have FREEZABLE(so you won't run mono cryo with diona/rosaria/layla instead or with bennet to snapshot) content that doesn't need CC from kazuha/venti/sucrose so you can run Jean/Sayu(sayu is kinda copium tho) with VV instead.
But what are the odds of this content? The difference is marginable at best. I have her c2 and still won't run her. There is just no reason to do so when you have shenhe+kokomi.
Mona is my first 5 star, became my dps early game. Still use her occasionally on my freeze team
I gave her the hunter set and made her an on field DPS in mono hydro with Furina and Yelan. Seems to do fine.
I really liked this video when you started on the hydro characters power creeping Mona because I literally lived it. I haven’t played Genshin seriously in over a year, but I used to show off a lot in co-op as a whale, and I had arguably one of the best Monas at the time, and she will always be my main. I remember when Kokomi first came out and Mona had an upside to her with the dmg; no big deal. Ayato came out and I breathed a sigh of relief when he was mainly an on field dmg dealer but Mona still kinda worked with him; again no big deal. Yelan was the first challenge, as she did so much more dmg than my Mona in general, but even then Mona was best in slot in certain freeze teams and admittedly until let’s say Chiori, she was even one of the tops supports for Geo. Even Childe is better in national than Mona, but I’m proof that she’s viable. I used to smash through Abyss with my Mona national team. The nail in the coffin was Neuvillette as a damage dealer and especially Furina as a better Mona like support. Makes my Mona super redundant. I haven’t whaled on this game in years, and my whole account has suffered since I slowed my gameplay, around the time of Fontaine coming out. I hope Mona gets a singular character buff some day, or at the very least a change to her c1 making it more Dendro friendly. She was the whole reason I started rolling on this game , and she was the first or second 5 star I ever c6ed. Mona might not be meta but if I ever play Genshin during Natlan or beyond, I will still play Mona exclusively.
there there mona there isnt any shame in being beat by 4 patches later and by an archon no less! You had a very good run all things considered :)
Mona vaporize with Bennett was the first time on my account I broke 100K damage I don't think I will forget that
fake. nobody breaks 100k in official game
I use her with my c1r1 hu tao alongside c2 elegy yelan and zhongli and am able to get up to 200k charge attacks on hutao while maintaining 70% crit rate (85% with c4 mona). Was able to 1 rotation clear all 3 bosses 2nd half in abyss floor 12. Unfortunatly this team only works comfortably with c2 yelan due to hydro application.
No matter what happens to the meta, at the very least Mona will always be on top of the Genshin female nsfw fanart stats
Mona was my first 5* all the way back in 1.0, and this is the only time I've pulled a copy of her 😅 still in the early game her unique dash and interesting play style had her as a main in my team for some time, and her story and entertaining character has made her my favourite of the cast in Genshin. Admittedly these days, the are better teams for abyss that just don't need her, but if I can find an excuse to play Morgana, I will.
You know, it got me to thinking. Since burst damage has fallen off overtime, while sustained damage creeps up, has Genshins easy accessibility to newer or veteran players become its downfall?
"eye catching design" well played vars, well played
If only her bubble works like an elemental shield, where if you apply the same element it won't break, she'll be so amazing in mono hydro😂
It was jarring to suddenly get a Mona ass joke in the middle of the video, but greatly appreciated
Mona's elemental skill doesn't generate particles upon casting, it generates upon the explosion. That is awful given the enemies might be dead or moved away by the time the move ends. That's why I stopped using Mona.
Videos like this make me think everyone only builds and plays 2 teams. I built all 10 team slots to be unique, have good DPS and survivability. My Kuki, Nahida, Mona, Cyno team is one of my highest DPS. Granted the other top tier chars in that team. Mona contributes a lot and is fluid to use there. All my other hydro are used in teams already except barbara who isnt fluid at all 😅
That expectation-reality is so relatable just a few days ago
I play Mona in a freeze comp with Shenhe, Ayaka and Barbara.
I like her because her burst is kind of like a hydro Zhongli ult and it locks down smaller units like freeze would so it kind of adds to the perma-stun.
I find her very nice in my Dehya team with Furina and Jean; Mona's and Furina's skills together are enough hydro application for Dehya during her burst, and with both of their burst buffs active, Dehya deals great DPS; and with the nature of how Dehya's burst is, she can take advantage of the full omen duration without needing it to be longer unlike most other characters
it is sad to see how she's been powercrept over time, but she will always have her place
I’m fine with them “powercreeping” standard banner characters now. It’s been three years now so yeah. Like I want Clorinde to be sorta like Keqing: a fast electro dps character.
i wonder if she'll be the Keqing "Powercreep", like i thought yae is but keqing can somewhat catch up though.
"Debuffing support is unexplored"
Pretty much every anemo character in the game is a debuffing support by proxy of VV being a thing, and it's been that way since 1.0, Zhongli's shield shreds enemy resistances, superconduct is literally a reaction designed to shred physical resistances.
Also, every cryo unit will slow the enemies down, which is sometimes useful (and it's evident in Ayaka vs ASIMON matchup, where she's generally able to burst him down before he disappears due to freeze slowing him down)
It's disingenuous to say the developers haven't explored this, because it's easy to prove otherwise.
"The two most widely used reactions at the time were vaporize and melt"
I want you to name 1.X melt teams and compare the amount to other reaction comps, then repeat what you said with a straight face
"She was the only one with non-burst locked hydro app"
Why does that even matter? Her skill's hydro app is weak, stationary and has less uptime than Xingqiu's burst, as he can ult off cooldown given you put a shimmer of thought into his gear.
"Quality being more important than quantity prior to reaction teams"
I don't understand what you're saying. Prior to what reaction teams? Reactions have been in the game since launch. Electro-charged is a sustained damage reaction that works by applying a massive quantity of small chips of damage, and in most applied scenarios (multi-target, multi-wave abyss) in 1.X taser was arguably better, cheaper and more sustainable than whatever vape nukes we had.
"Mona's original purpose was to facilitate big nukes, like Eula"
How do you plan to play Eula with Mona? It just doesn't work well. Eula is claymore, so you will shatter all frozen enemies, meaning Omen will only last for ~5 seconds. This makes it nearly impossible for Eula to build her burst stacks before Omen expires. Where have you seen a team like this played?
"We haven't gotten a dedicated one hit wonder character since Eula"
Lyney nuke build in shambles.
Overall I agree with the fact that Mona fell off because the meta evolved in a direction that doesn't compliment her niche, but some of the points you brought up are jarring blunders, and don't really do anything for the argument. You could at the very least skim through KQM for 15 minutes after writing the script.
Mona's original purpose was to facilitate big nukes, like Eula he means her playstyle is like eula maybe?
and interestingly on 193 fanfare stack on talent level 10 furina almost got the same dmg bonus or dmg increase, and could you explain difference dmg bonus and dmg increase?
I think it's a really unfortunate example to pick. It's a thing that vars does a lot -- present a decent point and then blow it by sharing the most unhinged reasoning/examples possible. It's something that I felt should be pointed out, because it's a rookie mistake that discredits the video@@naenae4953
Edit: You mentioned Furina's fanfare. Please take into consideration that Furina's buff lasts for your entire rotation, all while Furina herself is dishing out a lot of damage (like, a LOT of damage).
I'm not mad, I'm pointing out obvious flaws with the video. Some of these are straight up lies. I don't care if this video is criticism or not, it's just misinformation.@@sallya.921
Thank you for summing up everything I wanted to give ms take to XD
If anything Mona is BACK to meta as just about every C6 Furina is making use of her (which there are many me inlcuded) and on bosses like second half of abyss Furina + Mona is enough hydro app for my Hu Tao with crazy 150k+ per charged or even 200k with a proper rotation with Kazuha or Sucrose.
The video has mentioned she was more used by whales
the Mona art at 6:11 is sauced to a Kilalesi
thanks for actually giving credit
Still don’t have mona after 2 years
After more than 3 years playing i just got mona with furina. Im having honeymoon phase with her now wanting her so much for 3 years. So far im having fun with her.
Even is kind waste her kit, Mona have a nice spot in Nilou boom team. Just load her up with EM and let it go boom!
I started playing in 1.2, and it took until Cyno's first banner before I finally pulled Mona.
So for me rn my highest output team is yelan, mona, furina, and kokomi as the driver. Pure Hydro is doing work rn. I'm clearing random domains that aren't Hydro slimes with such quickness now.
me wanting mona since release but then just recently got her 2 weeks before furina came out ಠ_ಠ
furina n mona together pretty good i m using it now
Her dump was censored, and everything went downhill from there...
(disclaimer i know its not mona related but the downfall of geo and physical were mentioned in the video)Regarding the sad state of physical and geo. I've always though about ways to improve geo reactions through either additive damage or utilitiy (ie, explosions or shockwaves after shields expire or when picked up, or shield stacking or when picked up a shield also gain stats based on the element of the shield picked up. Until honkai star rail came out I almost exclusively abandoned any idea of the hope of physical being improved or saved. But what if we could have a double tiered reaction with physical damage similar to dendro bloom cores. Dendro cores have a base reaction of bloom followed by deviations in burgeon and hyperbloom. Freeze is a base reaction with shatter as its deviation reaction. What if superconduct functioned similarly in fashion to that of the above mentioned reaction and then some with amplifiable aspect from the likes of which of quicken and aggravate. I would like to think in this scenario that superconduct ontop of its physical break applies a physical bleed dot debuff, which could continue to further break physical resistance, that is stackable with subsequent attacks. All targets affected by this debuff take increased physical damage from all sources, including and buffing shatter damage. This debuff would be stackable up until the superconduct debuff wears off or stacks reach a maximum count at which either occurrence happens the afflicted target would receive a abonus hit of damage equal to the total amount of bleed damage. This would allow superconduct to still be its own physical owned reaction situation, make it damage competitive, and still be viable with the rising and evergrowing population of mechs in the game with broken physical resistance. Yeah so those are my thoughts on maybe fixing physical. Make superconduct function like bloom and freeze with a second reaction in bleed and make bleed increase in effectiveness with hits like quicken. Thoughts?
Tbh I would love this I would finally have a reason to build Freminet 💀
@@jamahldavis5078 believe me it is the most discouraging thing to see all these cool characters and just skip building them cuz physical just gets left behind in every region. The best part of the proposed change is that it opens physical as an archetype to any one. After freezeing any character capable of a blunt attack can shatter, after bloom any pyro or electro character can proc tier 2 bloom reactions, after quicken any denro or electro character can benefit. Literally any one can benefit from bleed once its been applied since the only necessary application is just physical attacks (sorry catalysts). Glad you like the idea.
Learn how to paragraph brother 😂
Her c1 doesn't affect dendro cores mihoyo needs to do something to make these champs relevant.
ngl i kinda wrote mona off as big nuke and nothing else but now after playing hsr i find myself wanting to play her more cause shes one of the very few debuffers in genshin maybe its just cause i love nihility but i feel genshin needs more debuffers all it has is dmg shields heals and res shred
The bayo music, we have to stan!
"Debuffing is not something the game focuses on a lot of the tome"
...OK I GUESS VV DOESN'T EXIST
No matter how much Mona falls off, no matter how much she gets power crept, and no matter how much characters will be better than her. Nobody will ever beat Mona in terms of that divine ahh appealing af design. Imo, she'll always take the crown of being the hottest character fr.
I got Mona back on the first venti banner and personally always found her kit clunky
Mona simp since launch ^_^ she's still in my team
she got powercrept by furina,to put it simply
A certain thingy called Furina
What happened to Mona is she's STILL never appeared in any of my rolls in the two or three years I've been playing, so I often forget she even exists.
Also Jean. It's super frustrating.
It’s all fun and games until Natlan pyros want screenshot dmg again. It wouldn’t surprise me 😂
I pulled her by complete random on the standard banner and have no idea what to do with her lol
Healer Mona is still the better choice for freeze teams with Shenhe, cos all the dmg in the world (Furina) means nothing if you have to ditch Venti/Kazuha and chase the mobs around.
She would be busted beyond beleif if her skill had slightly more uptime.
Funny enough for me, I actually did not use Mona that much until I got Furina. Previously, I was using her in my Nilou team as I did not like Barbara freezing the team and Xingqiu was taken by Hu Tao at the time. Once I got Kokomi, I dropped Mona. I'm currently running her with Furina and Yelan on my Hu Tao team, and it feels quite good. I have tried out the Jean and Bennett variant for the Hu Tao team and they are pretty good as well. My only problem for those 2 comps is having to play circle impact and Mona is able to benefit all 3 of my characters compared to the other 2. (The current abyss is also heavily favoring hydro applicators which is also a win.) On the side note, I wished that Hoyoverse did update her C1 since it benefitted all hydro related reactions that existed during the time of launch.
Keqing got buffed by dendro in 3.x, Jean got buffed by Furina in 4.x. I`m on copium that 5.x with some new Natlan mechanics will be Mona`s turn.
i could see it. but the other hydros will also probably get better too and be more on demand over her however that is unless if they made a character specifically for her.
I'm actually currently enjoying my Mona-Furina-Fischl-Jean team with Mona being my on-field. It's a great rotation that could 1-cycle most bosses and domains. With enough ER, their bursts are ready for another round immediately after cooldowns. My only gripe with Mona is how clunky her animations are for her skill and when she stops sprinting and how easy she is to get staggered due to those animations.
I love her. She and beidou kept me safe in the early game and she was my first 5 star. Nothing but respect for my broke girlie 😊
Okay so hear me out: Mona and Yaoyao team comp with Yanfei or any pyro character. They're really efficient at Burgeon. Mona groups up enemies with taunt, Yuegui triggers the bloom cores to appear, and Yanfei just explodes them. Pretty fun and easy tbh
Still don't know how that ulti work
Cast big bubble. Bubble pops deal big dmg. Bubble also cast omen. Omen is big debuff on enemy. Enemy get big dmg from main dps
you missed several of monas massive issues
1. terrible energy generation
-needs a shit tonne of er to function so her own damage which should've been good takes a massive hit
-cant battery other hydros so she doesn't work well in double hydro
2. low buff uptime
this one you did mention but you missed why it's such a problem besides freeze teams
-low buff uptime means you have to cast her buff right before going onto your main dps and she has a very long burst animation of over 2s so it eats into your other buffs ie kazuha only lasts 8s Bennet lasts 12 and comes out before kazuha gorou last 9s ect ect
-the comparison to yelan and furina gave Mona way too much credit since yelan and furina cast their long-lasting bursts often as the first thing in their rotation so by the time you get to your main dps their buffs are maxed/close to maxed out
3. her debuff is on the enemies
-The new wave will require a whole 2nd burst that you will get for 15s which is funny bc this literally goes against Mona's one good team in Freeze since Freeze is meant to be good at mobbing and taking out multiple waves (venti versions)
other abilities that apply to enemies either have a short cooldown like nahida or vv or are easily re-triggerable like aggravate or vv
4. her burst animation just takes too long
this is its own section on top of what I've mentioned in point 2
-take ayaka kazuha shenhe
-Mona TECHINCALLY gives a bigger buff but she takes 2.5s+ to do her thing while kokomi takes under 1s that time difference allows the kokomi variant despite having a smaller number to finish faster since Ayaka is getting so hyper-buffed by kazuha and shenhe mona's 60% is a drop in an ocean
ok but let's look at a cheaper variant
kokomi+offensive cryo is still better than Mona +defensive cryo bc there are so many good offensive cryos to pick from and because kokomi being faster pretty much always beats Mona's extra damage
@VarsII please do a little more research before making these videos since this felt about as well researched as the average TikTok slide show but instead of being a 30s thing it was 16 minutes you managed to turn a 5 slide with one intro and one thank you slide slide show into a 16-minute video
And here I am finishing Abyss with Mona buffing my "nuke" NingGuang + ZhongLi + Bennet team
i usually forget she exists until i need to burst 500k on my hutao and then i forget again
You should do one for Xiao since it's been a long while since that shorty was relevant.
Great video! I like your content a lot, but I'd ask that you try to enunciate a bit more. It would make this video in particular much easier to understand. Around 4:30 there are a lot of fricatives in your dialog and it gets jumbled very easily. Keep up the good work!
I got a tip for y'all put Thrilling Tales Of Dragon Slayers on Mona and use her with Neuvillete (if u haven't done it already) and promise you he's going to slap she's going to do exceptionally well in that team with him. I know because I tested and smashed the spiral abyss easy with Neuvillete, Mona, Furina, & Charlotte
@homudark she's not there to buff Neuvillete I never said that I said she works well in a team with him, Furina, and Charlotte. Charlotte is an attack scaling healer she heals your team full and Furina and Neuvillete scale off HP manipulation if u know u know.....
@homudark sorry to hurt your feelings but the whole point of running this team is the fact you don't need an Anemo unit that's just preference, and I run it effectively and don't have a problem 36 starring the abyss, maybe you do but as far as my team being half baked I'm good over here I promise but to each his own
Her only weakness is the short effective duration. If Hoyo bumped it to even 10 seconds she'd still be meta.
I’ll always praise and worship Mona’s as- … astronomical design… yeah let’s go with that and show my appreciation for her with my Mona playlist~
Feel free to check it out and enjoy~ (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)
Yo fellow Mona enjoyer, can I get the sauce of your banner please?
@@PFTGG sorry I can’t post a link cause my comment keeps getting removed but it’s on Pixiv
@@PFTGG # 85215012
@@vanity5062 Oh yeah youtube does that, just tell me the artist's name and I will find it.
@@PFTGG ah well I guess you can copy paste this: 樱井檬
Good luck~
wish i could relate to this but been playing since launch, still have no Mona but c5 qiqi ;w;
c1 diluc and no mona
Mona is not a problem, Furrina is. I honestly don't know what were they thinking.
I mean even before her introduction, the introduction of newer Hydro usage already muddied her purpose and Furina's introduction just massacred it.
I don't play Genshin, but Mona is beautiful and you're crazy for not playing her.
Ok crazy
What happened to Mona? She moved from Mondstadt to live in my heart rent free.
Poor Mona. But also poor Geo.