Why Genshin Impact's Archons Are Perfectly Designed
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2024
- Genshin Impact is known for many questionable design choices, but one thing I think they do extremely well is conceptualize their Archons. I thought it would be worthwhile to make a video highlighting the five playable ones, as well as speculate on what the last 2 would be!
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![[v4.3] How Do You Become an Archon? [Genshin Lore]](/img/n.gif)
1:35 Nitpick, the Gnosis isn't the source of their power. Zhongli, Raiden and Nahida gave up their Gnoses and they still have their powers.
What's a gnosis then? Like a uhh....badge of honor? Genuinely asking.
Gnoses are just focusing tools. Think of it like a wand in the Harry potter series. They can use magic even without wands, it's just more convenient to use a gnosis for more dexterous uses like creating Mora for example. But a lack of one doesn't remove zhongli's ability to summon a meteor.
@@xiba_ basically. The archon war was a fight to get one of the 7 gnosis. All we really know is that it acts as a connection (and chains) to Celestia.
@@xiba_ in a way you could say it is a wire that let them directly use power from Celestia, a second battery you could say and boost their power up
all of the old Archon are just strong without Gnosis since that how they win the war well except Venti since he was simply the only one that step up for the position in his region
@@xiba_ In terms of Lore, an Archon's authority over the element comes from their Archon throne - a separate thing from the Gnoses. Focalor's destroyed the Archon throne to be able to give that authority back to Neuvillette.
The gnoses are still a bit mysterious - they are powerful, sure, but they don't seem to be essential for an Archon to exist and function. They seem akin to very powerful "weapons" that can be used to perform miracles, and elevate beings that were already powerful to begin with.
I think one thing that you could have touched on is that to prevent excessive powercreep, genshin designs the archons with supportive capabilities in mind. There are lots of big dmg dealers in anemo, geo, dendro, hydro, but the archons have a recurring utility aspect that helps ensure they're uncontested in the situations demanded of them. Even if some of them have very generous multipliers on their attacks, all of their elemental bursts aim to provide something to the party, whether thats energy, durability, crowd control and reaction or damage buffs. On a sidenote, they all also offer off-field elemental application in some form, hence the current "afk" archon team. I feel like even with the pyro archon, she'll be similar to raiden shogun by dealing high damage but also giving off-field buffs/off field pyro application. Similarly, the tsaritsa will almost certainly provide crit rate buffs given its ubiquity with cryo artifacts and resonance.
And they provide support that's co-op friendly: it isn't too important what the rest of the adventure team is or is doing, and their skills as well as the bursts are providing friendly support. Venti can even help others with traversing the map.
I think that's part of why Raiden being "the best electro character" is debatable, because of all the archons, she's the one that's the most dps-orientated (dps as in the team role, I mean.) She's up against Fischl because Fischl is more support-orientated then her, which equates to utility. (And that's saying something because Raiden can definitely work as a sub-dps and is definitely designed as a team player.) If Raiden was designed more as an electro sub-dps than dps, the same way Nahida and Furina were designed as sub-dps for their element, I have no doubt she'd be better than Fischl.
@tomboy2980 Lol idk what to say, Raiden is undoubtedly the best Electro unit and always within top 3 units with regards to meta and flexibility. Her E is AoE and can do the same job as Oz in practice if we're talking about elemental reactions, particularly Dendro-Electro.
i postet this in my own comment but i think it fits well in here too so once again^^,
to murata/fire, one way i can think of is to make the archon the symbol of the element and at the same time "future proof" would be for her for example to accumulate the damage dealt by the group to a certain percentage and then discharge it in its own burst with a big blow. so even if stronger chars come out in the future they could enhance the dmg dealt by the archon. add some debuff, buff capability to this and you have a pretty interesting char
@@kirinrias6912Natlan may focus on explosion/DoT mechanics.
With so many Pyro on-fielders I can see Murata being a 5* Xiangling since there aren't many off-field Pyro characters. As for Tsaritsa I think it would be so interesting if she could amplify Freeze by being able to freeze bosses, changing the rules of the game established at the start
That’d be insane!
I don't think Murata is going to be a on field DPS (having a significantly larger AOE than other Pyro on-fielders as a way to help differentiate from them) or she could be designed to be played as both on field or off field (kinda of like Raiden Shogun, but with her off-field damage being significantly higher while still getting some type of buff to her damage when on field).
The Tsarista I have no idea. Before Wrisosley I thought her main gimmick would be the only cyro catalyst user but since that is no longer the case I assume she will be a part of some new gimmick that gets introduced around her release.
Honestly I'm conflicted on what I want for Murata. It's true that we don't have many off-field pyro characters now, so it would be nice to get more of that, but at the same time none of the 5 archons we have right now are true on-field dps, unless you count Neuvillette, since he's assumed the full authority of Hydro.
@@Blizandriowell, better than Shenhe will be a hard job for MHY
tsaritsa will probably be a crit buffer. murata an atk buffer and sub dps, maybe bennett and xiangling combined idk.
I have one nitpick about this video, and it's the fact that Venti would be the strongest character in the game by a wide margin. Him being playable means that Hoyo needs to put enemies in abyss that can't be lifted up or staggered easely in order to make him feel balanced. If they still put enemies in abyss like those, or new enemies that are easely lifted up, he would be the most used and strongest character.
Sorry, Vars, but when you make lore statements, you need to check them.
Archons neither choose who receive a vision, nor do they choose to stop giving Visions.
EI herself was surprised that no new Electro Visions were given to mortals since Vision Hunt Decree
And Neuvillette's character details explicitely state that it's Celestia who decides.
Archons have ZERO control on Vision destribution system.
Also, Ei became a NEET right after constructing Raiden Shogun at some unspecified time in the past. Vision Hunt Decree was put up a year before Traveler's arrival to Liyue, Zhongli stated that.
This is y genshin is shit 💩
Not to be an “um actually”, I think it was revealed where it’s something like archons receive the ambitions from the people who I guess correlate to the archon and then are sort of demanded to grant a piece of their power to this ambition (this ambition being anonymous) which is why (SPOILER TO FURINA STORY QUEST AND FONTAINE ARCHIN QUEST!!!) Furina’s vision is special since Neuvillette gave it to her when he didn’t have to (evidenced from the dark spikes at the edges) so your statement I think is sort of true but archons do have a small control over the system. Don’t mean to be overly critical if I was and if I am totally wrong I’m sorry 😞
they dont have control tho.@@kwaakwoo
@@kwaakwoo I'm not 100% sure about this but Archons decision itself doesn't matter from what it seems, it might be the ambition they sense in a person combined with Celestia's decision or something.
Neuvilette has been able to do it because of his 'full control' over Hydro. This is because he isn't the archon, he is a fully powered dragon sovereign.
@@kwaakwoowell, not to be an "um actually" myself, but the source of Vision powers is a stollen portion of Dragon Sovereign's authority over specific elements, which reside in Archon's Throne, not Archons themselves. Ei not only had zero control over Vision destribution system, but also shown to be stunned that new Electro Visions were not given, which indicates that she was completely unaware of a change. Vision giveaway is fully independant from Archons.
And about Neuvillette. It was not stated that Neuvillette give Visions himself. It's said that he contributed to Celestia's Vision system and he left portions of his powers to be taken by mortals. It wasn't his choice to give Furina her Vision specifically.
Basically, he now plays by Celestia's rules. For some reason.
Because they represent the entire element and are meant to be the best character of that respective element is the short and simple answer
Edit: Well guys I said they were meant to be doesn't mean that they successfully made that true, but they did kinda managed to do it to a certain extent, especially the later archons
Except Venti isn't the best anemo character.
Last i checked, Kazuha isn't the best CC. Archons are not the strongest of their elements. They best represent their element identity.@@stranger2195
@@stranger2195 Neither is Raiden, Fischl and Kuki are better.
@@pegasoz1024I never said Raiden is the best electro character though?
@@pegasoz1024Raiden can battery, dps function in hyperbloom and much much more, raiden can do what fiscal and kuki can do but fiscal can't activate hyperblooms that well and kuki isn't that good in tazer but raiden can do both and be a battery or dps and increase elemental burst dmg 😊, the thing which makes raiden stand out is her versitality in many teams, sometimes raiden is better in hyperbloom teams as she has more range than that of kuki
That's why "you can always choose who to pull" is always true, until the archon banners lol
Not really. No character is a must pull or needed in any way
@@ostrich6175I’m pretty sure that’s a joke. Saying the Archons have a commanding presence they make players pull them and ignore the other banner (usually Yoimiya)
Except for Venti
@@SahsosZero Nope even then. Genshin is easy as fuck and you can beat it with 3 character teams with just 4 stars with just a little bit of investment. There is no "must" pull, no matter how good they are. Until they bring in much harder content, there just isn't.
@@ostrich6175bro clearly said it's a joke and you still go "uh mm actually 🤓☝️"
I'll just always find it funny that at the start of this game, Venti was so much more powerful then any other character by far that everyone wanted him.
He also made abyss possible, not just doable you basically needed/required him specifically. He also gave an updraft, no other character could.
He was too powerful too early, they skipped the whole power creep thing and just gave us someone whose a lot stronger then you should need that early on in the games life. So much so they have to design enemies to be not effected by his attacks just to remove his relevance. They had to alter the game because of his existence.
Meanwhile Zhongli gets released in a state that was so bad he was terrible to own before his buffs, and from what I am reading, he is the only character release to ever be buffed? And instead of just being strong, they go and design a boss around his kit to make him a "requirement" when the boss itself was just extremely terribly designed.
Archons in a nutshell:
Venti: best cc (when it works)
Zhongli: hold e and you gonna forgot what dodge means
Nahida: broken but green
Furina: broken but blue (also you need a healer)
I always like to think that the Archons were all designed to fix the biggest problem at the time. Venti for grouping, Zhong gor survival, Ei for energy demand, Nahida for sustaining reactions, Furina for filling roles (healer, buffer, dps and hydro applications all rolled into 1).
So I think the next Archons will fix the longest problems we're still dealing with with cryo and pyro
What problem is there with cryo and pyro
@@inqyr4707 that a lot of cryos reaction are far weaker than other reactions. One of it's reactions, Freeze, can't even be used on bosses. Some of it's best applications are all stationary AoEs too. Aside from Melt comps Cryo doesn't have much that sets it apart from physical beaters and has lil need for EM
@@inqyr4707 Pyro's problem is that Bennet and Xiangling is needed tp be replaced for a long time. I'm just tired of using that combo in every other team comps! (except in Dendro teams)
@@skyreaper1994 They also need each other unless you want to make a weird frankestein team to deal with that like Ganyu using burning.
My guess is that Natlans characters will be centered around a high-risk, high-reward mechanic ("burn bright or be snuffed out") a bit like how Fontaine characters have a health-centered mechanic which Murata will take to a whole new level, being in essence a Support-DPS like Raiden who gets rewarded when you do risky stuff with your team.
I mean, we already have that, kinda, with characters who lower their/others' HP, like Furina and Gamer. I wouldn't mind if she buffed party members who are below a certain hp threshold and could fix her hp to not go above a certain threshold during her ult. Mostly cuz I liked the crisis type kits in Dragalia and it would totally work in Genshin.
I can see Hoyo making Murata have a HP sacrifice mechanic like Blade for individual HP drain or Jingliu for team HP drain in HSR
@@Giovansbilly Inb4 she steals FoV's ult.
Mihoyo gonna cook a really broken pyro archon because of xiangling and Bennett lol
The greatest measure of how powerful venti is is how Hoyo literally changed how they designed enemies so he would destroy everything
Fontaine is unique because we also got the Hydro Sovereign along with the Archon. It felt like a 2 for 1 type of deal.
How many of you think Mihoyo will introduce other Dragon Sovereigns?
@you-yn5hp Natlan is said to be the land of vishaps. Perhaps a dragon will feel just like home
@@Player-re9moneuvi said himself that the dragons in natlan has evolved differently from the sovereigns
I expect them to consistently create characters that have lore justification to be extra powerful, such as archons, sovereigns, and harbingers. Soon that’ll also entail khaenri’ahns, as well as perhaps celestials, abyss travelers, magi, aliens, and more.
i'm very interested in natlan since it's essentially been referred to as "land of the dragons." sovereign or not, all of the dragon/vishap-themed characters have been strong. i'm excited
Zhongli and him throw hands already. That's why he stay in fountian
I find it funny through the Archon quests currently (of the playable) only Nahida and Ei are the only Archons that are the recognized archons of their lands while Venti (having hidden in plain sight), Zhongli (morax officially is “dead) and Furina (having passed on her authority and gnosis-yes I know Furina never actually had the gnosis but she was the recognized face of Fontaine) are just choking an doing what they please as mortals (albeit Venti and Zhongli possibly still have their long life spans)
Furina had the gnosis ~500 years ago when she became focalars as the archon after the death of Egeria. (and then split herself so the Furina half no longer held the gnosis or divine powers, but for a little bit there [longer than wanderor lmao] she did indeed have the gnosis just it was before our travelors time)
@@satoutakamachi7186 the complete being that Furina originally was had the Gnosis but when she split into “focallor” (the divine part) and Furina (the human part) Furina herself did not hold the Gnosis as the divine part stored into the “judgement machine” (not going to spell it.
@@redlox2oratrice mechanique d’analyse cardinale
No reason for Venti and John Lee to lose their long life spans, given that they had them before becoming archons.
@@redlox2 You basically have it correct, what I was pointing out was that Furina predates the split so did at one point have the gnosis (500 years ago) even though she wouldn't remember it.
I like how the ability that trascends human understanding are reserve on the archons. Like Zhongli who literally summons a meteor that no one can immitate, literally an ability worthy of a god. Raiden Ei musou no hitotachi that is like a dimensional slash and Venti who summons a vortex that seems like a block hole. These old folks wield the heavenly powers.
I want the tseritsa to be able to freeze any thing even weekly bosses that will show the real power of cryo
I would love that so much. Pretty much permanent Petrification
Maybe they can balance it by making it a special form of freeze only she can apply for a limited duration with her skill or burst. This way there will be windows for which the bosses can move as well
Finally. Weenut that is hittable for more than 0.000001 seconds
@@Blizandrio yeah, this is more likely to be the case. Especially if we look at Nahida and Furina's kits - they are consistent off-field appliers in elements that have few.
I see something more like having a slow down effect on bosses rather than freeze
The ratio of male to female archons is admittedly a little curious but I still have a small inkling that Aether himself may become some new form of archon himself by the end of the journey.
There is another side to Furina kit representing the hydro archon. Flat is justice... Okay im joking. There are 2 sides to Justice, retributive justice that is portrayed most often, meaning punishing those who commit crime, and the other is restorative justice, meaning justice that seeks to repair the harm done to victims. And what Furina does? On one hand she deals damage and on the other she heals. Brilliant, simply brilliant.
Medium is premium 🤔
I noticed that too, but there’s also a very specific little detail adding to this whole theme: while furina’s combat abilities are pretty much low lore-vise (not character kit vise), her counterpart, focalors, on her statue is pictured with a sword and not scales. furina also uses material talents books telling us about restricting justice, with the sword on its cover. focalors so far is the only archon who holds weapon on her statue. not the skilled and experienced morax, not the ruthless warrior beelzebul, not the rebellious barbatos… it’s focalors. an itty bitty little usurper who’s counterpart is afraid of slimes and horror books. I just wonder why it is specifically focalors who wields the sword. I hope hoyoverse will give us massive lore drop about this, I want my beloved focalors to go nuts
I’m still salty on how zhongli is HP based as Geo’s representative, their trademark is DEF damnit
to murata/fire, one way i can think of is to make the archon the symbol of the element and at the same time "future proof" would be for her for example to accumulate the damage dealt by the group to a certain percentage and then discharge it in its own burst with a big blow. so even if stronger chars come out in the future they could enhance the dmg dealt by the archon. add some debuff, buff capability to this and you have a pretty interesting char
It would be cool if the fire Archon had an ability, that sets your teammates ablaze, causing burn damage. Would play nicely into the theme of war, how it hurts everyone.
Not to mention how well it would synergise with the healers who got back into the spotlight again
There are archons and then there's that man a dragon sovereign .
I wanna imagine the Pyro Archon won't be locked to just Attack scalers like a 5* Bennett might be. I think the Pyro Archon Kit will do two things. Firstly, being the best party healer, and secondly, being a Talent support.
The first idea is that the God of War being some nigh unkillable badass because of stupidly strong regenerative capabilities just sounds correct to me, even if in gameplay that would mean being a super strong healer for the whole team. Her Skill could be a 25s~30s type that puts an aura on the active character. Attacks from the active character can heal not only themselves but also the entire team, while also having enough Pyro application to enable Forward Vape. And her Burst could be a 2-piece special; it could be a massive party-wide heal plus a Pyro infusion state that buffs her based on how much healing she/the team received. As it's on her Burst, she can either stay on field if she's your main DPS, or she can swap out immediately without issue if she isn't, but her Burst still has a use if she's not the DPS because of the party heal.
The second thing the Pyro Archon will do is increase Talent Modifiers. This keeps her from stepping on Furina's toes since Furina is Dmg% and the Tsaritsa/Cryo Archon will most likely be Crit%. With Nahida covering EM and Raiden covering ER% and a smidge of Burst Dmg%, the Pyro Archon increasing the base value of your Talents lets her apply to more than just Attack%. Characters who's Talents use Attack, Defense, HP, and EM alike will all benefit from the Pyro Archon this way, and complimenting this with her insane healing potential will help her synergize with units like Furina and cement her as the most universal Support in the game, taking Bennett's title from him.
I feel like they're gonna fuck us over and lock her on-field capabilities behind her C2 or even C6 if Furina and Nahida are anything to go off of. That said, I could imagine something busted for a C6 of someone who supports Talent Levels; increasing her own Talents by just adding whatever Talent Levels her allies have. A full team of triple crowns adding 30 Talent Levels to her NA, Skill, and Burst would be absolutely unhinged, for example.
I think she'll be the best support if we ever see a Pyro Sovereign become playable who might effectively be just a Pyro Neuvillette. Then again, maybe the Pyro Archon will be one of Neuvillette's best supports? Neuvillette w/Furina/Nahida/Pyro Archon might be able to continuously land all his Vapes from across the map with none of the drawbacks of needing to be close to enemies like Xiangling currently wants you to be. And if you build the Pyro Archon for EM like Raiden, you could probably get a ton of safe Burgeon AoE into your team since the Pyro Archon will always be healing you along the way anyhow.
I keep saying Pyro Archon because I'm not sure if Murata was the original Pyro Archon who got replaced since Venti and Zhongli are the only original Archons. Or maybe Murata is the replacement. Either way, I'm not expecting her to survive GOATHIMtano. Since Natlan's based on South America it sounds like, it'd be cool if we just got to Natlan and Capitano's on his way out with the Pyro Gnosis saying Murata died. Traveler tries to throw hands and immediately gets killed in one-hit. You then wake up in the "afterlife/underworld" in Natlan alongside Murata and you have to fight your way out as the Archon Quest.
That's a cool idea! And yeah Murata was the archon 1,000 years ago or earlier and the one that Venti was friends with, so she was most likely the original, which means the current pyro archon is probably someone different, but they might still release Murata. We did kinda get two "archons" for Fontaine with Furina and Neuvillette, so we might get a reborn/revived Murata and whoever currently holds the gnosis
If active character can heal party wide while Pyro Archon's E is active, that would powercreep every single healer available and she becomes 5* Bennett and 5* Xiangling simultaneously 😮 but that certainly is an interesting take. Let's see what Hoyo is cooking for her.
@@lanfae9353 I always thought that Murata would be reincarnated everytime she died (like a phoenix), and stayed the same person even if she doesn't remember it. I don't think that's the case anymore because it just sounds like Nahida 2. I'm really hoping they do something cool like the new pyro archon fought her way up to the archon in a fight and killed her, taking her spot (and maybe Capitano does something similar??? idk speculating at this point lol)
The only thing I am going to predict when it comes to the Pyro archon is that I think she'll be a claymore user like Diluc. I only say that because every other weapon has been used by the current icons. Claymore hasn't and I feel that be very fitting for the archon of war lol. But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if she was a major DPS unit. With the Cryo archon, no clue because of how very little information we have on her.
Very great video !
Thats what i love so much about archons ,they the best representation of their respective element . I think something makes also Archons great is how synergistic they are with other units of the same role or element.
A huge part of their longevity is their support abilities
Venti is always helpful when it comes to exploration and crowd controller
Zhongli will always make you immortal with his shield and resistence shred
Raiden can battery any team to hell and back
Nahida applies a lot of dendro while also buffing EM
And Furina has both healing and the fat fanfare
I dig a headcanon about the Tsaritsa that she'll have two modes, like Furina. Kinda in a nod to how the Delusion changes physical aspects of a Fatuus' design, not changing the body per se, but acting like some power up armor. However, instead of being a support in one mode and a DPS in the other, it would be about how she manipulates Cryo. It could be something like changing from single target DPS to AoE DoT, as it gets colder
Oooh, melee-range Sheer Cold to all enemies
The archons are designed to be supporting units rather than dps so they will never get power crept
i love how much bass(?) your voice has, the speaker connected to my tv has this mega bass mode and whenever i open up a video of yours some of the furniture start vibrating, even when i turn off mega bass mode
9:18 So what you're saying is "The power of water is its ability to take any shape..."
I can see the pyro archon doing a Yun'jin /Shenha thing where she increases attacks by a portion od her attack and then have a second cast that is a nuke based on how many stacks were used
gotta say, venti holding up his position while being the first banner character of the game is very impressive
one thing for sure is that Dendro characters have alot of way to go to actually reach Nahida's potential in Dendro.
In terms of design and combat, absolutely amazing. In terms of writing, it's arguable, especially with Raiden.
Edit: Bro... why does every comment of mines that blows up always have to have some kind of beef...
And zhongli too
They are all relatively good except raiden she's decent was saved by her second story quest.
@@seazuczhongli is good.
@@seazucbetter than raiden and venti. Not nahida or fruina Tho.
@@seazucyou didn't play genshin or skipped it
Murata will have atk-based mechanics, obviously. If I had to guess, how she'll work is having low base attack, but offset that by boosting her own atk by a significant percentage of total team atk stats. There's your "warrior leading army" motif.
i think the pyro archon will be a dps who scales of of the party's damage output. so the more damage your party is apart of the more damage the pyro archon will deal. I'm probably wrong of Corse but i think the concept would be fun im more curious what body type they will be if they will be small, medium or tall. i hope they make her muscular but i cant see genshin doing that.
It’s the fact that they’re all supports that makes them this timeless. DPS comes and go and get powercrept but the archons all provide an utility that can’t be replaced and useful for their element. Venti’s grouping, Zhongli’s shield for geo res, Raiden’s battery, Nahida’s application where the whole element is based on reactions. Furina I think is the weirdest case where actually requires what her element do well to function. Basically she gives an immense buff but she has to be paired with a healer, which is most abundant in hydro.
For the pyro archon I think in addition to an atk buff something we’ve never had before is a unit that can apply enough pyro by themselves. A unit that can maintain a pyro aura and buff the on fielder might be absolutely bonkers.
Cryo is a lot about raw damage, since their best team is freeze and superconduct, so a crit buffer might be correct
Honestly with nahida and focalor having an elemental burst that kinda like a domain expansion. I think the others should too, kinda like raiden boss fight she should take on that state when in your elemental burst, Venti should fly around and do plung damage lol
01:26 they don't, really.
raiden is the exception, choosing to take away her people's visions, but otherwise it's not the archons that bestow them, it's celestia directly. that was confirmed in an archon quest.
Actually, Neuvillette's character story confirms they do, albeit subconsciously.
I don't think that was ever confirmed in an archon quest, only said by Ei that its not her will, the archons seem to be forced to do so, per Neuvillettes character story: whenever a person's wishes reached the heavens, the seven overseers of the material realm were duty-bound to grant them a gift.
On the topic of pyro supports, any word on the community's thoughts on Cheveruse? I wouldn't say she's as good as the Power-5 due to her being limited to pyro/eletro teams, but within that niche, she's essentially a more potent version of Benett with a built in res shred who does damage at C0 and cracked at C6, based on her Con descriptions. She was essentially the reason I was able to 36 star abyss after two years of playing this game, so I'm surprised people don't talk about her more.
I think it's mostly due to the banner she was on - people who already had Raiden (or C2 if they cared about that) basically had zero reason to summon, so relatively few people have her. Add to that how niche her team type is, most people are not going to mention her.
"The strongest wielder of their element"
Neuvillette 👁👄👁
I think neuv doesn't hv a vision therefore him and his power is something beyond, i hv no way of confirming this so take it with a handful of salt.
before focalor's sacrifice, he's not the strongest yet. I'd argue they both somewhat equal in power since the control over primordial sea requires full authority, I believe the authority is equally split between him and focalors
@@kingdoom5022 Ehhh, probably around that, but we don't know if any of them wield elements
oh bro i knew this video is gonna have some spicy takes but man 2 minutes in and the kitchen is on fire
i just love the archons in general
man is damn smart for figuring this out, btw man has such a soothing voice
'Aight Imma just bring my own take on Murata now.
Knowing how fire is mostly known for it's destruction, another thing that it does is weakening.
We cook food to weaken nad nullify they're general compound structure which are mostly very strongly bounded making them hard to consume if not cooked.
Anything that survives after a fire will most likely be weakened too, however fire could also toughen things up, making them even more durable in many cases.
Giving how Murata is the god of war, I will bet my money that she'll do three things:
+Debuffing: she will be the first most effective debuffer in the game, making the enemies a lot more vulnerable and stunted as we need to weaken our enemies' consense in order for a surprise attack.
+Increasing defensive capability: Kinda like Xingqiu but make it better. Increase DEF, increase stuns resistance, increase dmg RES you name it.
+DPS: this is kinda obvious since you know, god of war and all that. She'll be kinda like Raiden in this department imo.
If they will give her some buffing capabilities then I want her to buff the general stats of all characters' talents. Make it be like Childe with his increase normal attack level but make it BETTER, either she will increase the level of all talents as a whole or buff the general stats of said talents so don't give a shit whether your DPS is atk, def, hp or whatever scalers because she's buffing them nonetheless.
I kinda want her to lean more towards the defensive/debuffing side of spectrum cuz those are kinda rare inbthe Archon roster, with imo only Zhongli and maybe Furina + Nahida being capable of those.
For pyro i hope it will be a dps cuz every archon had damage yes but for the most part they were supports it would be nice to have 1 dps archon and no element could be a better then pyro
As someone with all the Archons and being a low spender..I second this!
I agree with the general idea that they are all extremely well designed. I also agree that I think that's Murata will be a main DPS. I have a video (which I will link) about what I think should be in her kit. The question that I want answered for her will be if she is a persistent DPS or a burst DPS. If I were to guess, despite pyro being often consider the big oonga boonga DPS, since Raiden is already burst based, Murata will be persistent. But that's speculation on my part. As for the Tsaritsa, I'm not fully sure what she'll be yet. We need more information. However, I'm willing to take a stab and say that there are two possibilities for her kit. As a believer in the slime theory, I'd say that she will either have a dropping ice ability or a ice mist ability. Personally, I'm voting for the mist. I'm also going to guess that she's very, VERY freeze oriented. Like, potentially has a passive that increases the duration of freeze on a target. But again, that's speculation. We'll learn more after Natlan.
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I think one of the reasons genshin didn't get powercrept so fast is because the devs have done very well at diversifying the gimmicks. They don't have to release a stronger version of the previous characters in order to make the character more valuable to pull for.
While the archons exhibit the core principle the element they represent, I believe the sovereigns exhibit the pure and raw strength of 7 elements, making them quite possibly the strongest units for each element. Neuvillette proved this for hydro, and knowing Hoyoverse, they might release more sovereigns in the future in order to extend the lore beyond the 8 chapters of Teyvat. I honestly think Neuvillette being a playable sovereign is just the beginning of what they might add in the future.
Sry but Venti definitely deserves a buff
This video is a mix of lore and meta so I need to say this here, Mondstat vision holders have a goos range for the attaks or burts (Jean Sucrose Bennett) Venti is a Cloud Control god, Inazuma vision holders kit's plays around their burst pretty much all Ei kit's is her burst, Sumeru vision holder's play aroud Elemental Mastery Nahida's kit is just a EM symbol, Fontaine vision holders kit's is pretty much HP wonderland (they have pretty much all play whit their HP going up or down) Furina's kit is that but whit buffs she heals and is a dmg dealer and plays whit all party members HP to make them all stronger. Now 2 Archons need to touch around a mechanic that all 5 don't do... (Sorry can't find something for all liyue vision holders and Zhongli so please tell meyour idea)
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Personally, I think the Pyro Archon is going to be a quickswap DPS. Maybe a Knight of some sort, clad in Vermilion and wielding two greatswords?
Exept for Venti. He desperately needs a rework in his kit. Even lore wise. Zongli appears a lot, there is a lot of mentions, but my poor bard has northing. Just laying around drunk.
100% he's getting more attention lore-wise in the future. Gameplay-wise, I doubt it - unless when the story climax chapter comes with the focus back on Venti, they deliberately design the enemies of the patch to be vulnerable to his kit, which I could see, maybe.
tsaritsa might be the best cryo off-field sub-dps enough to make melt teams more consistent and on top of that a debuffer.
I'm collecting them anyway. Currently have Raiden, Venti, and Nahida. Planning to get Furina but tempted to get Neuvilette instead.
I think it'd be interesting if the Tsaritsa had a special burst that acts differently depending on the status of enemies
For instance, let's say if the enemies are already Frozen, the burst causes Shatter with greatly increased damage, whereas if the enemies simply have Hydro applied to them, the burst causes a Freeze with a much longer duration than normal (maybe this could be called Permafrost), and maybe if the enemies have Pyro applied, then after the initial hit of her burst, they take additional strong hits of Cryo over time that line up with the optimal timing of Melt reactions, but could also be used to facilitate further Freeze reactions that can help set up the next usage of her burst for a Shatter
Having the potential for more than one of these effects active at the same time due to different enemies having different statuses in the moment would be chaotic, and, in that way, can symbolize the chaos and confusion that the Fatui cause around Teyvat
Making it so that her skill is a single Cryo application with two or three charges could let her choose whether to apply Cryo or not, making it easier to line up her burst with whichever status you prefer, or use multiple charges to chain Freeze and also deal more raw damage while waiting for the burst to charge back up
And maybe both her skill and burst would have a big AoE for a skill/burst, making it so every time you perform an action with her, it's literally a big deal, which would fit her status in the narrative
Just some ideas 🤔
I still love how all the archons have always ended up broke 😭
At least Furina is in the entertainment industry; she will make bank in no time xD
@@levin2142isn’t she already rich? She’s been acting for centuries, and never had to spend her pay because the state took care of any expenses.
Every Hydro character is either rich or is near/at the top of their social ladder.
@@darylewalker6862Good point! I am really struggling to think of a Hydro character that's broke
@@levin2142Mona
@@Number.1Yanfei.Fan123 I legitimately forgot she existed xD
Out of all the playable Archons I think Raiden Shogun is closest thing we'll get to the Electro Archon, but part of me wonders how much stronger would Ei be in comparison.
edit: Just recently finished Fontaine, so guess also more curious how much Focalors would vary from Furina.
i wanna venti so bad just to get full archon colletion lol
13:23 so she will just be a 5* Chongyun: an incredible revmelt nuke carry, gotcha
All of them feel great, combat wise
I have Nahida C2, and might get the C2 of Furina
I’m thinking the Cryo archon is gonna boost crit damage or crit rate since Cryo resonance boost crit.
Or have extra effects on critical hits.
the tsarista shouldnt be a villian, like how are we gonna get a story quest with her, mihoyo do design them perfectly, bet she just has one idea out of some other how to overthrow celestia which looks like the main endgame besides reuniting the sibling.
Why do you think her being villain prevents a story quest centered on her?
I would like them make the tsaritsa an actual villain not just like Ei. It makes something for a different perspective.
The Tsaritsa it's more like one of the characters that acts like a villain but it's more as a support character from the shadows for the protagonist. It probably would have a lot of meaning near the end of the main story. Also, if I recall correctly, Childe had a dialogue about Bronya, The Tsaritsa or some comment referencing her real name (that was removed later) so I don't think they'll miss the chance to make a story quest for her.
Tsaritsa kit that i want to see:
1.Slow enemy movement and/or attack speed
2.Give a lot of crit buff and turn overcap CR to CD
3.Reduce enemy def
3:20 I thought Mona mostly relies on her hydromancy witch powers and not her vision right? Or is that only for divination
Leadership is a key aspect of war. And as the god of war, I feel like Murata will also represent this. I feel like Murata will be similar to Raiden
Quick correction:
We don't know who the current Pyro archon is. It can be Murata, the only thing we know is that she ruled over Natlan 500 years ago, but whether she's the first, second or tenth Pyro archon is still unknown. 500 years ago Kaenri'ahn cataclysm happened during which Makoto, Egeria and Rukkhadevata died and she could've died too. Especially when we know that current Pyro Archon is not the original one.
We don't know if Murata was the first archon, apparently is not the case, the same from Tsaritsa, since only Venti and Zhongli were the first archon, for Ei she wasn't the first archon but she didn't want to kill Makoto and she wanted that Makoto became an Archon since Ei was a very bad as a leader.
@@Stro2101??? where exactly in lore it is stated that Murata is current Pyro Archon? That name was only mentioned in Genshins Manga and we don't know whether she's dead, alive nor whether she was the first Pyro archon or one of their successors.
Taking what Ganyu has said, all we know is that the current Pyro archon isn’t the first one (ie the winner of the Natlan theater of the Archon War).
I agree with some other comments suggesting the pyro archon could be an attack scaling healer/buffer, mainly because we have no healing focused archons (yes, Furina *can* heal, but it's far from her focus) and the Cryo archon being a high tier buffer. None of the archons are really focused on DPS- they can put out a ton of damage but it's not their main job. As such I doubt the pyro and cryo archons will be DPS
I kinda wish Raiden shogun was a more hyper carry like unit like a really heavily leaned into mechanics wise I know her kit right now she can be one but she's more of a support burst dps carry thing.. lol idk don't get me wrong I like her kit and she's a great character but I always felt like if any archons embodies the hyper carry mind set it would be here but maybe the pyro one will be more suited towards it (the cryo archon should def buff or utilize crit dmg or rate or both tbh)
I really love how the archons embody the main aspects of their element and also something beyond the limits of the standard genshin system.
Consider this, venti with crowd control, with the ability to let any character fly on spot, surpassing the traversal system.
Zhongli with his incredible shield, that's permanent in terms of duration and geo representative, and also surpassing the damage aspect of genshin.
Raiden, with energy recharge for electro, and going beyond the standards of the genshin system not only by surpassing the energy system by universally batterying and also providing permanent electro application, with limitless duration with her skill cooldowns.
Nahida, with permanent dendro application with her skill cooldowns, emblematic of the reaction centric dendro meta and also going beyond the internal cooldown system by functionally giving enough dendro application to be near infinite.
Furina with permanent healing and hydro application for hydro's healing and reaction meta and also susrpassing the healing system of the game(and also her ludicrous dmg buff).
The archons not only represent their element brilliantly but also surpass the system of the game in a way going beyond the mortal characters.
I think Murata will me more focused on dealing Damage. I think she will me more focusing on desling damage outside and on field and buffing the damage of the whole team so you have an increase of the whole damage
dude was talking about the anemo archon while showing Kazuha's gameplay
Tsaritsa enables boss enemies to be frozen
Love the sudden shade directed at a certain character
Who?
It's okay, Natlan will fix her, surely
what's your take on the Pyro and Cyro Archon
tbf, hydros strenght isnt ebb and flow, but flexibility(or fluidity)
I am hoping the Pyro Archon is a better, kinda side grade to Bennett. Stronger buffs, but no healing to offset, so that Bennett may still be relevant. As for Cryo Archon, we still do not have a very strong cryo applicator aside from Ayaka constellation and C6 Kaeya.
Since all the Archons have been of the formula, "They are amazing (probably the best) support of their elements but also can deal major amount of dmg"... I expect Pyro archon to have exactly same kit philosophy but more emphasis on major amound of dmg. So kind of like Xiangling replacement with something extra..... Also all the Archons had an easy access to all the reactions their element has so I wouldn't be surprised if Pyro archon can vape, melt and burgeon reliably without much effort.
Purely from a gameplay perspective this is what i think/want the last 2 archons to be
Murata should be a pyro on-field dps. Pyro is the element of on-field dps so this is a no brainer. I think she should also have a big pp damage ability like hutao. As for something unique, i think she should have a talent that allows her to prolong other party members' off-field abilities. Prolonging things like bennett's ult, xiangling's ult and yelan's ult could allow more time for murata to stay on field and do damage. As the god of war, i think this also fits into the leader architype of leading her team to war.
As for the tsaritsa, i think she should play around freeze. Maybe even allow her to freeze bosses or without a reaction like zhongli's ult can. She should also be consistent and have high uptime like ayaka and ganyu. A talent that makes frozen enemies take more damage is also an idea.
girl no one was playing zhongli in the second half of 3.7 people were playing nahida national bc you needed dendro hydro and pyro to clear
also murata will definitely be a support bc all archons are supports, since they're more time proof than on fielders
Tsaritsa being acrowd w controller would be pretty cool
Lore wise it would also suit her, as an antagonist, from most of Teyvat’s people pov at least, she kind of controls everything from the shadows
Plus a crowd controller that’s not anemo would be cool
crowe control is not only moving enemies but making their movement worse(stunning them or slowing) so she will be able to cc
She could do cc in the style of GW1's ice spells - slow and def down - among other things.
I feel like I'm more into the Cryo Archon making the enemies more slower to move than making her a crowd controller because aside from it being a copy of what Venti represents, which is the best crowd controller, it will also add another problem of overpowering because what if you have both Venti & The Tsaritsa on your party and both have crowd control, even if that's cool, that would break the game too hence it will disregard why Hoyo is always designing enemies around Venti's cc, cause it's always Venti cc that shapes whether the enemies should be sucked, pulled or not by his vortex because if Venti works all the time, he's too OP that's why they have to balance the game, and the Tsaritsa being a cc too would be a contradiction to these things.
Raiden was wrecking ish without using her gnosis I can only imagine with the gnosis lol
i mean ive been maining Zhongli since he came out, and till this day the thing called STERGER is non existant for me
Can somebody please explain to me if archons decide whether there element of vision is handed out how tf did Furina gain her vision after Focalors died and completely erased her hydro archon seat from the 7.
Neuvillette gave it to her. The sovereigns are above the seven archons as the archons use a fraction of their elemental power. When Focalors died it returned Neuvillette to his full power.
I've always thought the pyro archon would be a main dps (or at least should be) but that would make them the most susceptible to power-creep so who knows if Hoyo will actually do that.
They could try and make her kit have better scaling with the quality of supports available. Dunno how though.
I think it wouldn’t be a great idea for Murata to be an on-fielder. All the previous archons were supports, which made them more… time resistent. Like Venti, he can still be used sometimes, which can’t be said about DPS’ from that era
Before dendro Raiden was 90% used as a Main carry, and now its still her most popular team, before dendro using her as a sub dps was ass, now it can be op, murata can also be a Main carry
Fire Emblem music is back :)
I want Murata to be a main DPS to end all main DPS. And I want her to do it bare handed. Crushing people
As I said in the comments of the Ratheil video you mentioned, Archons should always have _something_ that they're the best at. So long as they have some kind of niche role that is moderately useful that no other character can outdo them in, they'll always be relevant even if other characters get released that have better numbers than them.
Venti having the best crowd control against "Venti-able" enemies,
Zhongli having the best, most consistent shield,
Raiden... yeah idk (flat energy gain for teammates? Tbh I'm not really sure what she'd be the best at, she just feels like a "I am 95% of like 5 things where some other characters can maybe barely hit 100% in 1 thing" type of character),
Nahida having the most consistent damage regardless of range and number of enemies (and of course dendro application, but I'm trying to leave their respective element out of the judgment here) and finally,
Furina with the best, most consistent DMG% buff.
My idea for the Tsaritsa would be something along the lines of ice cages. Confinement as a twisted form of love, and also capitalizing on the freeze(imprisonment) and melt (melting a frozen heart) reactions (those 2 are effectively Cryo's only real reactions).
i think murata will be burst damage that leave a subdps after Q. or e
my who still waitingfor any ayato episode or what happend to cryo/ayaka. im sad that we will never get to play focalor or ei or rukdevata
Natlan and Snezhnaya's Archons should be DPS units.
very bad idea for Archons, since they can be powercrept as DPS, in sub-DPS or support, they will always have a place to be
We need the Pyro Archon to provide insane off-field pyro application. Xiangling needs a break…
Dps come and go, but supports are eternal
@@Kar76060 every Archon for now does apply a continuous amount of their element in their skills (or burst for Venti), so i really think that's the road they're going to take
Idk i feel like all archons are off-field/sub dps/support types. What if pyro archon's skill is xingqiu's ult but flaming swords with 100% uptime on the skill and the burst will be like Raiden
Zhongli one of the most played in abyss up there right now with neuvi and nahida
honestly, we just need more pyro supports. i know the likelihood of Murata being a support is slim to none, but g o d do we need it for mono pyro. tbh, i'd take her being both support and dps. Lyney just needs more, and Thoma or Xiangling just don't cover for what characters outside of the element do.
speaking on the idea of her being a general type, support and dps like Ei would make sense, boosting the damage of her team while also boosing and doing big damage herself.
there was also a theory i heard not to long ago that there might be two archons instead of one, though it's a long shot. it could be a case for the archon and sovereign to rule over Natlan, sorta like Neuvi and Furina. if that's the case, it could be split between the two, one is pure dps, while the other is a support boosting said dps. we'll just have to see
My guess is that the Tsaritsa will give us cooldown reduction.
I'm placing my bets on the Pyro Archon's playstyle being exploding like a pyro slime, or something like what Hu Tao does except to the extreme, like cutting herself to 1 HP or even 0 HP for the sake of doing big damage. Or maybe she'll explode after her HP hits 0.
You just reminded me of Fu Hua Garuda which was the latest character introduced in Honkai 3rd. Could be nice for Murata since the story seems tp try to resemble the story of resurge/reborn like a Phoenix and Fu Hua has that style in the other game too.
Water is the great eroder, which is why I think Furina's dark stance drain go to deal dmg.