WARNING: This table saw lubrication tip will tick people off!
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I was reading on forums what to use and in my Google search results was a link to this video. I thought "Stumpy Nubs! He'll have the clear and simple answer." Thank you for being the voice of reason. Straight and to the point.
Using a Craftsman table saw from around 1948 I inherited from my dad. Still running great on machine grease. You are right James, keep up the good work.
Thanks for the tutorial. I'm new to woodworking as a hobbyist and just tore down my Ridgid table saw and needed to know how to properly lubricate the innards. I do believe the guys before me knew what they were doing and you reinforced it with specifics. Thanks.
Been using green synthetic grease for the past year on CNC, all shop lube, and other equipment including tractor related implements.
Works great, and smells better than old school gear lube.
Keep up keeping it simple James!!
Hey, I've been watching your channel for some time and you continue to bring some practical sanity to many issues. Keep it up.
Nice video stumpy! I’ve bought my saw within the last 100 years ... I don’t recall any grease on it, because I covered it in sawdust as soon as I got it home! but as you say, the guys who built it aren’t afraid of grease .
I have been woodworking a long time. Mostly with machinery, but now doing the unplugged thing. I will tell you that you're absolutely correct. I use the same grease on my table saw as I do the trailer ball-hitch. Works great.
Just keep rolling the way you roll James, it's all great common sense and brings a different perspective. Great stuff!
I have used motor oil for years with no problem. I do use car wax for my table top. I was told to use shoe polish but have not tried it yet. Thank you again for all your help and all you do.
Great, just bought a used jobsite table saw and this little video will help me set it up just right - Thanks!!
Stumpy, I am old, retired and worked 40year in the construction trade. I still have my wood working shop but only on occasion do a job for any company. I enjoy doing what I like to do not what I have to do. I service my stationary tools and hand tools regularly even when some made not need it at the time.My father was a machinest by trade,you can understand why I could be classed as border line fanatical about how my tools function and their cleanliness.I got it honestly.You are of the same line of thinking that I am. The laptop can pull up four trillion steps on maintaining all sorts of tools and most of them are a waste of your time. Sorry for the length of my post but it did my heart good to see someone in my corner for a change. I will close with this observation,to make wine the direction are as vague an complicated as a Rubic cubes solution, I make wine and get raving reviews from the people that have tried some.If I have the fruit it takes onky five steps if you exclude racking it.Practically the same wit the care of your tools.I do enjoy your videos I see things you do that I wish I had known about years ago.
Dude, Keep shaking things up! Love it!
Thanks for keeping simple, logical and real.
I invested in a ridge carbide blade because of one of your videos and all I can say is thank you, these blades are awesome
Good logic on this one. I am a machinist by trade and every machine I have and will ever use used grease and oil to lubricate moving parts. Yes they will eventually attract dust, metal chips, and anything else but it is this sticky property that allows it to stick to the metal and provide protection from metal on metal contact.
Wow, i didn't know there was such controversy! I recently bought a new-to-me yard sale table saw and the adjustments were a little sticky, so i just went in there with my grandfathers old oil can that's currently filled with motor oil, easy peasy, works great.
Appreciate your wisdom. Thank you!
Best advice I've gotten in a long time. Thank you! Makes total sense. It really boils down to this: do you want a tool that works well, smoothly and lasts a long time--with some oil, wood dust on it--or do you want the opposite?
Ignore the negative comments. I find your advice and information practical very practical and helpful. I especially like your new "cool" tool reviews. Keep 'em coming.
Thanks for confirming my thoughts on the subject.
You’re great stumpy! Appreciate your content !
You’re such a rebel!!!
I LOVE IT! Common sense is too infrequently applied! Keep on calling it as you see it!
When cleaning out my late fathers shop, I found a "tube" of Sears silicone slip stick. It works great on all kinds of stuff like this, and doesn't seem to gather much dust. I don't know if anybody still makes this, but if you can find it, buy it. The tube was only slightly used when I got it, but it has lasted for many years and I have only used half of it.
Short, sweet and to the very legitimate point. I actually just got a new DeWalt table saw and already have to grease the gears, because they didn't do it at the factory (fair warning for anyone looking to buy any products under the Stanley-B&D umbrella). Even the flip-knife I bought had to be lubed before I could use it!
Anyhoo, thanks for the sound advice, which is only controversial to the deluded. ;)
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That is why I like ya'll no bs straight to the point.
I'm using an old craftsman 113 3hp, that was my dads, and its coated in grease and still works like it did years and years ago. No issues
Great tip tanks keep them coming. Great for new guys like me
My favorite TS lube is sawdust! So far so good!
Thank you Stumpy!!!
Wise words Stumpy!
Thanks for the down to earth simple logic
One Stone, one chisel, and pack on the grease! Well stated Stumpy. =)
I just finished restoring a 1948 and 1955 Craftsman table saws. The screw and gears were pristine once I cleaned off the old saw dust. They had been lubricated with grease. I have the old manuals and it references that. They have lasted this long, grease did it's job.
3'n 1 works for me, every so often i go in and clean it up and re-apply. Takes 10 minutes or less.
I just restored a powermatic 66 spent a month trying to figure out the correct lubricant...I finally just caked on a bunch of white lithium grease out if the tube. It attracts tons of dust but at least it works the spray dry lubes are a joke. They last for a few days...I liked your video
Thanks for sharing !! Common sense Ihave all love it !!🤗🤗🤗🤗
I like your thinking!
Unsure why lubricants are a rallying cry in so many different things but it seems like there's a good number of folks that can get riled up over them.
I used to fly model RC airplanes and on the forums there was a core group that would jump down anyone's throat that mentioned WD40 as a lubricant. I never understood why they thought it wasn't, but it was never worth the engagement over it.
Three years ago I did a deep clean and realignment of my machinery.
If I was able to find the can, I probably used a food safe lubricant called slip-it.
If I wasn't able to find the slip-it, then I used wheel bearing grease or air tool oil.
In any case whatever I put on is still working fine and I expect it to continue to work well.
If I ever crawl back in there and deep clean again I will probably use the wheel bearing grease.
I really enjoy your show, thanks for your efforts.
Great job 👍👏
greaswe is a great product had to scrape old hard grease off my 20 year old Jet table saw and put grease back on works great
Awesome James! Yep a little grease goes a looooooong way
you tell it like it it. i love it
I like the keep it simple approach. so many things are over complicated. If it works for you do it.
Interesting...you've given me something to think about.
It's your webpage so just say what you got to say in the way it's going to be whoever doesn't like it then I guess they don't use the grease keep up the good work love it when a man says the truth the truth will set you free just keep erasing everything that's negative and keep the positive keep going strong
I didn't know it was common to use grease, just tried it some years back on an old craftsman and it worked great.
Ha! I decided to tune my table saw after getting and installing my new Ridge Carbide blade and thought, "I should lube under here...Didn't Stumpy Nubs say something about this that was bone-headed? ;)
Getting my grease gun out. Thanks again, James.
Damn! 72 views in 2 minutes! Way to go James!
James you always make sense! Would you talk to my wife and children for me....Lol. Nice video
Great points! I’ll oil my gears the next time I clean them.
Keep rolling like that James! How're Mike and Chip doing?
Good vid! What will mineral oil damage? Like what materials, products. Any ideas tubers?
I've had my unisaw for more than 20 years and whatever lube came on it, is still there and works fine.
Great tip mate! Common sense.
Hi, I have a Craftsman 10” tilting arbor saw. It’s the contractors type with the leg set. I noticed today there is one little yellow plug on the side of the motor opposite the pulley. I checked out my owners manual, I can see the lubrication section, but there is no mention of lubrication for the motor or type of oil, yet there is an oil plug on the side of my motor. I would appreciate your expertise when you have time. I enjoy your channel very much and look forward to hearing from you when you can thank you!
I'm restoring a 1951 vintage Delta Unisaw to operational status. Not a full restoration, as it has a nice earned patina, just derusting the top and replacing bearings.
In 67 years I don't think it has ever had grease. After a good cleaning of all the mating surfaces and gears, I just hosed everything down with garage door lubricant, and wiped off the excess.
Everything runs butter smooth with no squeaks, and seems ready for another few decades of use.
The manual for my 4100 Bosch TS says to use white grease AKA: Luberplate. I use dry teflon
Keep it common and simple for the simple minded of us!
damn good idea thanks for the video
Delta uses SAE 140 and recommend it. I am using Fluid Film (lanolin based lube) right now, but the jury is still out on that. Works great on my mowers though.
The user manual for my old Craftsman jointer specifically calls for motor oil for lubrication.
Well Stumpy ,Neilson studios you tube channel he rebuilt a couple of them and he makes and uses a graphite wax composition ,i used his when i rebuilt and old craftsman table saw and it still runs smooth and a simple blow out with an air chuck cleans it rate out ,if i was going to do it again i would try your way
I use Marvel Mystery oil. Works fine for a long time! Good job!
Marvel works on everything!
3 in one oil, capillary action get into the bearing where you need it most. I tried the dry films but doesn't stay, but the oil film will and works much easier on the cranks, slides and gears.
That makes sense.
I am no expert or professional, but on my [very cheap] little jobsite saw, I use a combo of grease and graphite powder. I grease all the gears, but my saw uses a slide-bushing for the blade height adjustment.. kinda like a miter saw slide, but there are no bearings, just a bushing over a polished shaft. I have found that 'wet' lube on that slide-shaft will gum the mechanism up quickly, but loading it with graphite powder a couple times a year keeps it operating smoothly without having to de-gunk it when the sawdust packs into the bushing.
i have used good old grease for that all my life (retired cabinet maker) with no problems what so ever.
James, I have just disassembled my old Delta contractor saw. One problem left to solve: re-inserting the roll pins. Do you have any advice on the proper tools and methods for this task? I just came home from Harbor Freight where I found a bicycle chain breaker/press. I'm hoping this will work, but do you have a better idea? Thanks.
i used a spray on teflon on a vice back in the mid 70s the vice did not rust
Wax can be a great solution in high torque applications. I use it on my bicycle chain.
I would extend what you're arguing one extra step: the lube to choose is the lube you are willing to use. Apply it frequently and liberally.
James your a Legend. And thick skinned enough to shrug off all the Trolls that give you a hard time. Keep them coming :D
Your the goodist😎😎
Something with molybdenum disulfide in it might work well long term.
What about using graphite powder? I'm not sure that would keep dust off but would cut down on sap sticking to the gears. I use a Shopsmith with a sharp blade and oil the shafts about every 50 hours of use. I believe a drop of oil here and there on anything mechanical will keep a machine running for a long time
The best grease might be the stuff Harbor Freight coats everything with. It smells so bad it will keep visitors away (so you can work).
Keep on controversing SN! We loves ya 😘
I use ATF. We used it for years on our sawmill .i t doesn’t attract saw dust or grit
Sawstop tech support recommended that I use wd40 to help clean out the sawdust from the gears, and then apply thick grease. It's worked great so far! I assume that eventually I'll have to repeat the cleaning, but that's just how things go. machines require maintenance. It took two years of daily use cutting mostly pine to get to the point of needing to clean the gears anyway. I can handle spending one hour on this every two years.
If you want to get into some real controversy get four sisters in the room and ask which side the pointy end of the ironing board should face.
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THAT... is funny!
What a Hoot!
@@ghostshadow1 now that debate has a clear answer
I use CLP. Works better than anything I've used
Love Your thoughts Bro.
Totally Agree
And BTW Dry Silicon Sucks! It Works about the same as Butcher's Wax .....
However, Please remind the Folks that they Should WAX those Cast Iron table saw top, jointer, planer and shaper surfaces....
Joe Daq - never heared that! Sounds interesting. What is it good for, and how to-do???
@@paulwyleciol3459 Paul go to Depot, Lowe's or Ace Hardware. The wax that I'm talking about is Paste Wax in a can "NOT" auto wax ie turtle wax.
The stuff I like to use is Butcher's Bowling Alley wax or Johnson's Floor wax and if it's all they have I'll settle for Rediculously High Dollar Minwax Furniture wax (which is nothing more than Johnson's Wax with a cleaner for almost 2x the money)
Anyway I coat the all the Cast Iron Tops of the Cabinet Saw, the 8" Jointer, the Face Planer, the Thickness Planer, the Shapers, the Router Tables and Most Importantly the Assembly Table's Melamine top.
I Put the wax on so that it hazes over, but not crazy think.
It does 2 great things
1) wood slides easier
2) no rust
And on the Melamine assembly table, the CA glues, the PVA glues and the epoxy's Do Not Stick.
And Btw Definitely on the Bars of the Pony and Bessie Bar and "F" clamps. PVA glue just Eats thru that Shiney metal but Doesn't when you wax the bar clamps.
I've been making Plane Curls an Saw Dust for over 40 years. Paste Wax has been a Staple that I've grown up around forever. . .
Hope I explained and answered your question.
Good luck with your woodworking projects.
Joe D
Joe Daq - whaooo - that really was an answer! thank you so much!
Most about that you wrote I would never be able to purchase here, but I think, if I take a look for ingredients, Icm could finde some similar product here in Austria ;-)
I like what you wrote and I will try that for shure!
Thanks!
paul wyleciol Axminster tools does a machine wax and delivers to Austria for not a huge amount if you can't find there. You will probably get machine wax in Austria but Axminster tools is a good backstop if you're finding it a challenge. I have a humid garage that tries to eat my machines in winter when the temp drops. In the autumn I put on a thicker coat of wax and remove it in spring. If I need to use in that period I buff off the wax, then re-wax after. Stops me coming back to nasty rust patterns.
We made a video about this recently: ua-cam.com/video/3UMPqJ0KPRY/v-deo.html
But if the grease attracts dust then the wood I bring to my table saw will see the wood dust and get scared and will try to run away when I cut it. This is why I end up with crooked cuts all the time!
I have used grease for years, works great and sawdust in the grease from use has never caused any binding or wear on my tablesaw, planer or jointer. I do clean and re-grease every year or so.
perfect timing to find this video... right now my tablesaw is a pain in the ass to use because it desperatly needs to be oiled...
i wonder if it would be safe to use the same type of oil i use for extreme weather conditions on my bike chain.
Island Wills
I can't imagine that you would hurt anything by using chain lube... Worst case, you clean it out and apply lube of a different flavor!
I was just told today that any kind of grease will will cause the dust to act like an abrasive and to use graphite. I’m going to go with your suggestions instead!
Hi James, thanks for the great advice as always. I don’t have experience with table saw lube but can share what I found with a Dewalt planer.
I have a Dw735 planer that I bought second hand. What I found was that it ran fine under power but when pulling it down I found that the rear roller was unable to be turned by hand even after removing the chains and sprockets. The manual says the machine requires no lubrication. I spoke to a Dewalt tech that says he cannot bring himself to leave the roller bushes dry and applies a fine smear of ptfe grease.
The stuff on the shaft and in the bushes looked like cooked sap. Dry ptfe spray did dissolve the sludge. I saw that where the bushes slide there was a bit of the same gunk probably formed by the heat from the high friction of the shaft in the bush. I’m going to use ptfe dry lube on pretty much all of the places in the planer that you would lube if it wasn’t a dusty environment. The planer will get some ptfe sparky as regular maintenance on the bushes at least. Preventing the heating in the bushes should do the job.
A table saw is very different because the gears move very slowly and infrequently, and because they are easy to clean without disassembling anything. I have used white grease on a planer because it's difficult to clean out accumulated dust. In that case, something that won't attract dust is more important than something that will last a long time.
Stumpy Nubs I assumed you were taking about the gears in the winding mechanisms and as usual what you say makes great sense. Thanks James.
On the table saw I am speaking of the gears that tilt and raise the blade. On the planer I am referring to the chain/sprockets that raise and lower the cutter head. I believe the bearings on the feed rollers are sealed.
Stumpy Nubs the dw735 has sealed bearings for the cutter and motor but plain bushes for the rollers.
Greg Palmer bushes? Or bushings?
Daddy always said “Oil is metals best friend”
James, Engine oil is OK, but the detergents will absorb more water from the air, therefore eventually promote rust. I agree grease is best and typically will have a higher base oil viscosity that will evaporate less and promote better sliding.
Brake cleaner works great, that's what we used to clean gears on printing presses.... same kind of precision machinery
One chisel... one stone... one beer.
Molybdenum disulfide grease user here, you don't need to put a lot of it to get a good lubrication so it does attract a bit less dust than regular grease.
I mix grease with graphite powder.
I just bought a table saw with an aluminum top; what can I use to keep the top slick and decrease friction as I slide my wood workpieces across it?
Paste wax.
Lol, good advice is always welcome, at least among rationals.
James, this was exactly what I was looking for, thank you. Do you still believe with all the talk grease is the best lube for the gears? And what about the planer gears? Thanks and stay safe!
With all what talk?
@@StumpyNubs ok, I did not read all of the 1k+ of comments, but your title was table saw lubrication tip will tick people off. My question is do you still think grease is the best for the table saw gears and the planer gears? I have a hammer A3-41 and moving the bed up and down I think needs lubricant and a sawstop that could use some as well. Just wanted to check with a trusted source. Also you have a video on edge banding with solid wood? Keep up the great videos. And stay safe.
Hi, does somebody know what kind of grease should i put on my table saw's gear box?.
I just cleaned it all and the grease in the transmission part was all dry (it's a table saw that wasn't used for some years) it was yellow.
So I want to put new grease on it but I haven't find any info. about which one should be used there :/.
Thanks!
I have a dewalt that i have used on the job for many years, i use a thick lithium grease in the grease gun tubes on all moving parts. works great. old motor oil works good but doesn't last as long.
@@jcdenton2641 Thanks, already put some Type 2 grease for chassis and so far it seems to work just fine.
Ok I'm 1 of 5 sisters but 5 brothers roughened us up. But thanks 4 info
Do you keep a record of what maintenance you're done and plan maintenance in advance? ?
Nope. I just do it whenever I think it needs it. I just did it the other day for the first time on my SawStop, which I've had for five years or so. But that was only because I was under there cleaning out dust from the cabinet anyway.
I have been using grease all the time, I thought everyone used grease?. I can't remember who told me to use grease, it could have been my dad as he was an engineer and worked around engines all the time
If I had a dollar for every hour I spent running a unisaw. Can’t remember ever lubricating the bastard things though. We just blew them out with compressed air once in a blue moon because the dust extraction is so piss poor on them. But since your all wondering i do use a squirt can with engine oil in it. If it squeaks it gets lubed.
The manufacturers only use grease to stop rust in transit. No matter what you use the wood dust soon sucks it up and spits out.
Well I think its great! what you give out information because we don't no everything if we did we wouldn't need you