A man's evolution from riding behemoths to the current 450 Himalayan, well articulated, between two friends. Makes for great content, but even better, makes for education & learning. Thanks CK & Bosky!
Definitely right choice, thinking of doing the same! Fed up with heavy and powerful bikes that I use only at 50% of their potential. Really waiting restlessly for the Himalayan to arrive in Europe to test it! Warm greetings from Romania by the way! Ride long, Ride safe! ✌✌✌
Thank you sir!! Atleast there are some people,who are practical enough to choose the right Motorcycle and actually guide a lot of Motorcycle enthusiasts to know how its difficult to maintain a big machine when you can spend the budget in goid riding gears and for Touring Itself ❤...
I'm in my 30s now and I have had the pulsar 220 in 2008, then classic 500, then the bs3 Himalayan on 2016, ninja 250 and now a Ducati scrambler. I'm just entering the expensive middle weight segment and I'm hoping to go full circle and come back to singles after 20 years, very gracefully like you :). Thanks for sharing your story and experiences, both of you! Cheers ! 🥂
You were one of the reputed folks I reached out to before I made my VStrom purchase decision!! It has been an amazing journey , but like you said the cost of ownership is something that has to be taken into consideration. But as a person with a passion for motorcycles I would not want to miss out on the various "flavors" of the trade! Looking forward to seeing more from you and CK!
Bosski and CK you both are the perfect pair to analyze the bike with the brain then the heart. Thank you Big Bear Bangalore for the content. Now I am confused about selling out my interceptor. 650.
Logically and practically 90-120kmph is the most for Indian roads and that’s where this Himalayan vibrates . That’s the only drawback I heard of this almost perfect bike
Hi, Folks. I have been following your channel for quiet some time, you guys rock! Well, i will be completing my 59 years in this prithvi soon and i too want "Ease, Practicality, Minimal headache (maintenance issues) & Lesser flamboyance". Till now i have been a car guy, been there + done that. My first car was in 2001, a Ford iKON 1.8 D (anyone recalls that model?). It was a damn good car, smooth, fast and fun to drive. Gave excellent mileage too, with a tank full of diesel, i could drive to Tiruchy from Chennai and be back too. A full tank of diesel cost me around Rs.680, definitely less than Rs.700. Those were the days! I had one Yamaha RX135 too in my garage at that time. Boy! Should i even talk about the excellency of that motorcycle? Guess not. Well, to cut a long story short, now i want to go back to motorcycling again. And i am strictly a Highway Man. Having not ridden a motorcycle for the past 22 years, after checking out almost all the motorcycles available in the Indian market now, i have finally narrowed down my choice to 2, Suzuki Vstrom SX 250 & Honda CB 300F. But Vstrom is kind of too flamboyant for my style and am seriously thinking about purchasing Honda CB 300F. "Ease, Practicality, Minimal headache (maintenance issues) & Lesser flamboyance) being my check boxes to be ticked. Honda CB 300F, in my opinion, ticks all the boxes right. Any suggestions? If you have read my message fully, i thank you for your patience. Namaskara.
Hell, I want a 650 cc bike. Nothing can convince me to change my decision. But then, that’s what love for a large motorcycle is. Isn’t it? But great logical analysis.
even i feel the same. i have ridden a versys 650 for the last 3 years now and I cant imagine trading it for a smaller motorcycle. heck I just want it to get bigger.
Well reasoned argument has helped me decide what my next bike may well be. Much Love to you two guys, Bosky and CK, the greatest double act since Del and Rodney!
When it comes to replacing, I am not even able to convince myself to replace my Himalayan BS3 'the lorry'. The only reason is it does certain things very well that I care about, including the pocket friendliness. Now I feel I can test drive 450. Kudos to this vlog.
The same thought has entered my mind about replacing my GS 1200 Rallye , but with the next iteration of the Himalayan … ( tubeless spokes + other improvements ) .
Hey Bosky, Such a carefully thought out decision. Every rider develops an "attachment" /"connection" with their machine. Time/circumstances influence our choices more often than not. I personally do feel that any machine upto 500cc is more than decent for our existing road & traffic conditions. Another point is serviceability of your machine & availability of spares. If the plan is to ride across the length & breath of the country, all terrains, then one definately needs their machine to be reliable & serviceable. Sensible decision. Ride safe & tc!
Makes a lot of sense…tats how am thinking right now for my 3rd motorcycle….decisions are being made with head now…when we choose with heart the bikes using us instead of us using the motorcycle
Just subscribed! Thank you for your thoughts. I recently (4 months ago) sold my 2020 Vstrom 650XT and bought a KTM 390 Adventure SW. I often think I made a mistake selling the Vstrom but the weight difference is a big plus for me at 62yrs of age. I wanted a little bit more off road capability than the Vstrom as I always felt it was very heavy for me. Problem is I find the KTM very high and it vibrates a lot at higher speeds. Perhaps I might go test ride a RE Himalayan 450 when they arrive in Australia 😊
The Himalayan 450 also is a heavy motorcycle. The 196kg kerb weight that they publish is with 90% fuel. With a full tank the motorcycle is easily 200 plus kgs. For a single that is heavy. The power to weight ratio makes little sense. If you wanted a lighter and easier to handle motorcycle then the 390 Adv is the way to go. It is 20kgs lighter than the Himalayan 450. Handles superbly. Only issue is the buzzy feeling on the bars, pegs and seat. But then the Himalayan 450 isn’t winning any awards in the refinement department either.
@@CowKora that’s somehow hard to believe. Because if the bike weighed less than 200 kgs fully laden with fuel, then RE’s marketing team would be plastering that aspect across the entire planet. But they aren’t doing that. Instead they say 196 kgs and then put a caveat of 90% fuel. Why? Every motorcycle out there publishes kerb weight fully laden with fuel and fluids. RE knows that this one aspect is critical and that people will be looking for it. So they found a brilliant way to shape the narrative by saying 196kgs; and then tacking on the “with 90% fuel” to give themselves room for defense. Also if the motorcycle is truly light, then we would have heard everyone say that in the reviews. And no one has done that so far. In fact I have heard multiple people say that the Himalayan 450 is heavy. Maybe not as heavy as its siblings; but it certainly hasn’t been praised as a light motorcycle. (Compare that to the reviews of say the Honda Transalp (different segment I know); which has a published kerb weight of 208 kgs; and every reviewer mentions how light it feels. I myself test rode it and was blown away with the light weight on a 755cc bike)
@@passionandcommonsense 90 percent of this bike's fuel capacity is 15.3 litres. That is just 1.7 litres of fuel that they are not counting and it's only 1.2 to 1.3 kg.
@@twowheeledparadox that’s being too literal about it. All I know is that if the bike weighed less than 200kgs fully laden with all fluids, then RE would have made sure to drill that fact into all of our brains. The fact that they haven’t done that makes me think that this bike is easily over 200kgs kerb weight. The only way to know for sure is for someone to weigh a stock bike fully laden with fuel.
Very prudent decision. Wishing you a wonderful ownership. I am also tempted to buy one but since most of my touring is 2-up fully loaded on 1200cc not sure how much of a compromise I have to make. But being on the other side of 50 now, heavier bikes do become a liability in many situations.... But this Himalayan being so good...in another 2 years will we be seeing everybody and their neighbour riding a Himalayan 450...it becomes the National Motorcycle of India!😄
Zrobiłem dokładnie to samo . Miałem 10 lat VStroma 650, ale po przejechaniu się na Himalayanie podjąłem decyzję o zmianie. Jestem zachwycony możliwościami tego motocykla. Prawdziwy "Jeep" wśród motocykli. Pozdrawiam z Polski.
Not questioning your decision, but few pointers : 1. EBC Brake Pads = 4k a set 2. Tyres MRF : 9.5k a set 3. Air filter replaced every 18k kms and cleaned every 6k kms. 4. Chain going strong at 30k kms on odo 5. 2.7 litres of fully synthetic oil replaced every 6k kms. 6. Bought my Vstrom for 8.25L on road. 216 kgs vs 196 kgs, neither are light, so happily living with my lovely Vstrom 650. Happily did Zanskar & Umlingla on my 2020 Vstrom 659. To conclude, to everyone, there own. Cheers 😊
Respect your decision sir. I am a proud V Strom 650 owner myself and I agree with your “functional” assessment of the motorcycle. I own a Mojo along with the Suzuki and the reason why I bought the Suzuki was to have a different “experience”. Each motorcycle comes with its unique character and comparing only the functional aspects while making a decision would only be half of the story. So, for me, I would cherish the diversity of experience over the functionality alone. The Himalayan is a great motorcycle and may even be more functional than the V Strom, but it wont even come close to match the charisma of the V twin motor and the Suzuki’s riding experience. Just my 2 cents sir, but all the best to your future rides on the RE and Triumph. Long live the V Strom.
Thanks for the comment and agree. And each of our motorcycling evolves differently and the needs and wants change. There is no right or wrong rather an individual choice. Thanks.
Full respect to your personal decision, but also it is a pity that the Suzuki is being released... Especially when you have the lighter T400x scrambler in your garage.
By the same parameters, V-Strom 250 SX is a better choice than Himalayan 450. My riding buddy goes everywhere with it. Japanese engine far better than RE in terms of top-end,even low-end, refinement, touring, bad roads, far cheaper maintenance etc.. Only thing it wont be that good, is in proper off-roading. Though many have taken it to Spiti, Ladakh etc.
Yes. Why not. Whether the 250sx is better or not is debatable. In my opinion the H450 has a better engine, better suspension. But that doesn't matter. To each their own.
Very good and mature choice in my view. I had gone up in cc and bhp up to a 330kg 1400 GTR with 150 or so BHP; then realized I was never using quite a few of these horses, so I changed it for an 230kg Africa Twin 1000 of "only" 95bhp in 2016. Now I am seriously considering the Himalayan 450. I liked the 411, but it was too underpowered. I think the Himalayan 450 offers an excellent fun/usability/budget mix.
I know you’re more into adventure / touring bikes, but would love to hear your take on smaller yet bit premium bikes for daily commuting? Likes of Honda cb300f, Yamaha mt 15, NS250, Gixxer 250 and more. Aaaaand while we’re at it, can you also review electric scooters like Aether, Chetak, Ola and the likes 😂 We know we can watch N-number of other videos but would love to hear your take and have some fun along the buying journey 😅
Your thoughts male sense, while i do have a couple of retro 1200s in the garrage and a 950 adv, I have been having this lingering though about replacing the 950 with the 452 Himalayan purely for all the resons you mentioned.. the retros will stay but for everything else, I will get the himi!!
Excelent video. Crazy thing is in Denmark where I am from they cost almost the same. 80K for the Vstrong and 70K DKR for the Himalayan. I will go with the vstrom I feel.
It’s absolutely practical decision! I think when you are young and handle the higher power and weight it’s good to own a higher power bike ! Once you can’t handle it anymore moving to what suits is right! It’s always a personal choice 👍🏻
Such a matured and well thought points you shared…!!! It is always pleasure to watch your videos..!!!! Happy riding Sir..!!! 🏍️ And keep sharing your valuable knowledge…!!!!
Boski, this seems like trend among motorcyclists. Most start with a smaller bike, upgrade all the way to a liter class or more and then slowly come back to 250 - 400 cc and settle.
Appreciate your rational and practical choice boski and sharing those words of wisdom and experience with us all. 🙌🏼 But yet, as riders and enthusiasts where most move by feeling and excitement. On a casual note ಯಾವದಾದ್ರೂ ಇರಲಿ, ಎಷ್ಟಿದ್ರೂ ಸಾಕು ಅಂತ ಅನ್ಸಲ್ಲ, ಅಲ್ವಾ .😊
Amazing videos guys, and what a beautiful setting. I really need your advice for Honda CB350 & RE Hunter 350. Boski & Ck produce excellent content for Indian bikes, wishing you all the very best to get to milllion subscribers soon
Although it does make sense specially with the kind of single cylinder advs that are coming up, but its really sad to see engineering masterpeices like v strom 650 fade away, nothing beats a v-twin 🥲
A lot respect to both you guys But genuine question how do you guys spend money on the bike, like what factors that it is a good buy or a investment (let it be costly or cheap)?
Thanks. I invest in accessories that I feel that adds comfort and or security for the ride and experience. Some are premium and some are budget. Utility comes first and price next.
Actually it was your initial videos on the Himalayan that acted as a trigger for me to sell my VStrom. It was a motorcycle that I never connected with and the reasons were quite similar. I also realised that a lot of people will be thinking along the same lines and hence the big bikes will become an even tougher sell in the future, so off it went.
Hey I have taken test ride of Honda Hness and really loved it . But I’m sceptical abt it’s sales as I don’t see much of those on roads. What’s ur take on the 350cc lineup of Honda?
I am a previous VSTROM owner, the 650xt. Had an accident and I am now, 2 years later, looking to get back on the saddle. The vstrom here, where I live, is TWICE THE COST OF THE HIMALAYAN!!!! insane. They made the decision for me
Nice discussion and almost exactly similar to my thoughts. Almost because I will replace Himalayan with Xpulse 2004v. Reason all same except that for me highway speed of 80 is more than sufficient.
I already owning an interceptor 650 for last 5 years. Now I’m seriously looking at xpulse 200 4v pro. I am attracted towards it by the light weight and suspension of xpluse. Am I also thinking with a heart instead of a head?
Heart over head is ok. 😊 Ensure that you take test rides to know well if the Xp can replace most of what you've been doing on the 650. They are significantly different.
I agree that, i own TNT600GT, these bikes are heavy and we can't enjoy twisties and we surely feel the weight and yes parking space we need to be extra cautious, to be frank any bikes abobe 500cc multiple cylinders in India is not worth, we can't enjoy at full potential and yes these bikes are expensive to maintain as well. I agree with each and every point, i am also thinking to downgrade to Himalayan or Aprilia rs457.
Nicely put. I've had Enfield for more than a decade. Still have it. Even rode previous version of Himalayan. Recently did 3500 kms ride on my Vstorm 650 with Himalayan 452 alongside. Few thoughts: - Yes new Himalayan does extremely well on tarmac. But the legacy power lag still there. - Royal Enfield is easily serviceable motorcycle in India. But the quality of service is always questionable. - Quality of products. You ride any non-RE and comeback to RE, difference of product and ride quality is clear. - But can't deny on your pricing part. But for every premium bike, there are quality alternative spares. You don't always need to buy company products. Research matters. Yes, enfield spares and service is affordable. Quality comes with a price tag. Having said all that, I am a Vstorm fan boy with immense love for RE for its outreach in India. I almost bought one new Himalayan. But for a 6'2" 95+ guy, this one seems little lesser. Again personal preferences.
White and blue Vstrom 650 guy waiting for a kamet white delivery. I know that the h.452 will do 100% of what I do with the V650 without having ridden one. The India cost of spares is certainly tear inducing. I kind of agree with your analysis, while thinking of the hima as a +1 bike, for now at any rate You did leave one question unasked/ open, which bike would a h.452 owner rider want after a while and getting really familiar - from the ones we can (reasonably easily) buy and register here.
Your channel was very instrumental in getting my v strom 650. Its been almost 2 year and i have enjoyed it. Thanks for your honest opinion. Bosky sir, did you do someting to the front suspension of v strom ? I put in a heavier fork oil and there has been a significant improvement
When we talk about the aspect of longevity, I highly doubt that the himalayan will surpass any Japanese motorbike. But yes the conditions such as handling and maintenance cost are a real world struggles that people should look upon before buying any motorcycle. Well said bosky.
Sir, 1) Why Scrambler400 and Himalayan450 together? 2) Which helmet do you recommend for touring considering the budget? I have MT Thunder 3 model but I get a noise even after following your advice of keeping cotton while riding.
Why together? Because many are comparing them hence shared our thoughts on the different purpose and use of each in this video. Use more cotton! Or use motorcycle earplugs.
Hey everyone, I'm owning an Xpulse 200 4v 2023 model. I'm struggling to maintain control at speeds over 80 kmph ( while the newly bought even 90 to 100kmph was well under control). Even after having the rear wheel checked and grooving done by service personnel, I still experience a slight shaking sensation when it spins on the center stand. Any thoughts on what might be causing this issue?
Ok, I owned the first Himalayan, I also own a superb Vstrom. Both are fantastic for certain situations, from all the videos of Indian roads I have seen, The new Himalayan will be perfect. In Europe we would need 2 bikes, especially for touring here in Spain. The new Himalayan would be short in many departments ,2 up touring with luggage (Here in Europe ) and highway riding. So here's the kicker, the Vstrom 2 up is sufficient, but for long term 2 up touring, again it lacks a few ponies. It's horses for courses. Enjoy your riding
Great video! Greetings from Colombia! One doubt: If you have to choose between the Himalayan 450 and the Triumph scrambler 400 ..which one would you choose?
I have a question here. I am a big guy 6.2 ft looking to buy a motorcycle. My choices within my budget is between himalyan and Benelli trk 502 weight of bike should not be an issue for me but tell me which one should I buy? and why?
Hello Bosky, can you please share your knowledge about seat cushion? Are stock seats which are hard as in my Bullet 500cc 2019 make is good or soft one from long ride perspective
I changed my engine oil yesterday in my cb 350 rs I used 10W40 instead of 5W30 (recommended) will it be ok if I keep it or is it harmful and I need to change it ASAP because a friend seriously suggested that I should change it right away.
Absolutely, after owning 2 bike bikes feel they are good for occasional breakfast rides and for experiencing pure high speed adrenaline however 300-500cc bikes with decent power,low maintaince cost, lighter,nimble is more suited and practical for Indian roads!Royal Enfield if they fix the few minor niggles in the Himalayan will be a fantastic all round touring bike!!!
Thinking about the same switch, for the reason to let my wife ride. Her 170cm doesn't let her even stand still on Vstrom, not to mention the weight. But my concern is will it be able to replace the Wee on 2-up trips, with luggage and everything - will it be underpowered? The speed i need is up to 140kph on highway (that I avoid) where I can.. Still waiting for test ride, as it arrived in Croatia few days ago...
super chat guys....loving the banter !! @CK does X440 "still" figure into the narrative keeping in mind the very same logics discussed in this video. would love to know your ruminations on this ☺
Hey, just curious.. Was the NX500 in consideration when you were looking to replace your 650? I hear it's a light, easy to maneuver bike with a really nice cruising speed and fuel economy.. The entry cost is stupid high, but the rest of the ownership aspect seems good.. Thoughts? How do you think the maintenance costs for the NX500 would be? On a scale of 1-10 where 1 is cheap to maintain. Let's say the Duke 390 is a 3 in the scale.. How would the Himalayan 450 and NX500 fair?
BMW is quite intrusively buzzy at highway speeds. Apart from that it's great. But the dash is very outdated. Customer support perhaps is good with both brands. Maintenance and repair costs are higher on the BMW.
Hi, Iam hearing about the reliability problem in Himalayan.. unusual engine noise after 5k kms, noises from brake pads and after service also those noises are there...what do you think about it ?
For the Indian roads I believe 250cc to 400cc is the max we need. Unless u r so addicted to performance. You let go off the performance part and enjoy the journey watching scenery the above said cc is all you need in life to be happy, peaceful and money to spare in pocket.
During Raider Mania, Siddhartha Lal stated that the Himalayan 450 is a practical adventure bike that can compete with the Tiger, GS, and others Adventure bikes. I put it as #PracticalBike
As we age gracefully, our options narrow done to ease , practicality, lesser flamboyance , minimal headache - personal perspective though!
🙏🙏🙏 so beautiful said. 😍
Very very true. Nicely put bro 🤘🌝
This is the Actual Channel where you genuinely can learn 👍
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A man's evolution from riding behemoths to the current 450 Himalayan, well articulated, between two friends. Makes for great content, but even better, makes for education & learning. Thanks CK & Bosky!
Many thanks 🙏
Bosski and CK, gotta appreciate that backdrop. It's amazing.
Would love to know where this place is.
River Valley View Homestay Mukkodlu
Thanks for sharing the location!
@@bigbearbangalorethanks for sharing..
Thinking of Replacing My Inti 650 with Himi 450 !
No youtuber or vlogger has such a matured content❤❤❤
I like BBB and MotorInc, both are great🙌
Exactly 💯 both
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I came here to check if someone mentioned @motoronic @shumi
Definitely right choice, thinking of doing the same!
Fed up with heavy and powerful bikes that I use only at 50% of their potential.
Really waiting restlessly for the Himalayan to arrive in Europe to test it!
Warm greetings from Romania by the way!
Ride long, Ride safe! ✌✌✌
U gonna love it's suspension
Many thanks. Hope the H450 arrives there soon. Cheers!
Coming up next in 5 years......... Why the Activa 10G is replacing my HIMALAYAN 450.
Very practical video by the way! Enjoyed watching it.
Yes. Anything is possible.
Thank you sir!! Atleast there are some people,who are practical enough to choose the right Motorcycle and actually guide a lot of Motorcycle enthusiasts to know how its difficult to maintain a big machine when you can spend the budget in goid riding gears and for Touring Itself ❤...
Thanks. Regards.
I'm in my 30s now and I have had the pulsar 220 in 2008, then classic 500, then the bs3 Himalayan on 2016, ninja 250 and now a Ducati scrambler. I'm just entering the expensive middle weight segment and I'm hoping to go full circle and come back to singles after 20 years, very gracefully like you :). Thanks for sharing your story and experiences, both of you! Cheers ! 🥂
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You were one of the reputed folks I reached out to before I made my VStrom purchase decision!! It has been an amazing journey , but like you said the cost of ownership is something that has to be taken into consideration. But as a person with a passion for motorcycles I would not want to miss out on the various "flavors" of the trade! Looking forward to seeing more from you and CK!
Great to hear! Best wishes.
Bosski and CK you both are the perfect pair to analyze the bike with the brain then the heart. Thank you Big Bear Bangalore for the content. Now I am confused about selling out my interceptor. 650.
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Logically and practically 90-120kmph is the most for Indian roads and that’s where this Himalayan vibrates . That’s the only drawback I heard of this almost perfect bike
Well, that's what you've heard. I have rhe H450 and that isn't a drawback. I barely notice it.
@@bigbearbangaloreagree as H450 owner no vibes of barely notice
Hi, Folks. I have been following your channel for quiet some time, you guys rock! Well, i will be completing my 59 years in this prithvi soon and i too want "Ease, Practicality, Minimal headache (maintenance issues) & Lesser flamboyance". Till now i have been a car guy, been there + done that. My first car was in 2001, a Ford iKON 1.8 D (anyone recalls that model?). It was a damn good car, smooth, fast and fun to drive. Gave excellent mileage too, with a tank full of diesel, i could drive to Tiruchy from Chennai and be back too. A full tank of diesel cost me around Rs.680, definitely less than Rs.700. Those were the days! I had one Yamaha RX135 too in my garage at that time. Boy! Should i even talk about the excellency of that motorcycle? Guess not. Well, to cut a long story short, now i want to go back to motorcycling again. And i am strictly a Highway Man. Having not ridden a motorcycle for the past 22 years, after checking out almost all the motorcycles available in the Indian market now, i have finally narrowed down my choice to 2, Suzuki Vstrom SX 250 & Honda CB 300F. But Vstrom is kind of too flamboyant for my style and am seriously thinking about purchasing Honda CB 300F. "Ease, Practicality, Minimal headache (maintenance issues) & Lesser flamboyance) being my check boxes to be ticked. Honda CB 300F, in my opinion, ticks all the boxes right. Any suggestions? If you have read my message fully, i thank you for your patience. Namaskara.
Thanks for sharing.
Guess you've already made your choice. Best wishes. 🙏
Hell, I want a 650 cc bike.
Nothing can convince me to change my decision.
But then, that’s what love for a large motorcycle is. Isn’t it?
But great logical analysis.
even i feel the same. i have ridden a versys 650 for the last 3 years now and I cant imagine trading it for a smaller motorcycle. heck I just want it to get bigger.
Enjoy your 650cc. To each their own. Cheers!
And just because I gave away my larger CC motorcycles, it doesn't mean I don't love them.
@@bigbearbangalore loving every moment on it. Cheers!
First time watching here, left with a big smile, thank you an enjoyable video
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks.
Well reasoned argument has helped me decide what my next bike may well be. Much Love to you two guys, Bosky and CK, the greatest double act since Del and Rodney!
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Kudos and good job as always!! Bosky, CK and the mysterious camera man
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When it comes to replacing, I am not even able to convince myself to replace my Himalayan BS3 'the lorry'. The only reason is it does certain things very well that I care about, including the pocket friendliness. Now I feel I can test drive 450. Kudos to this vlog.
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The same thought has entered my mind about replacing my GS 1200 Rallye , but with the next iteration of the Himalayan … ( tubeless spokes + other improvements ) .
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Hey Bosky,
Such a carefully thought out decision. Every rider develops an "attachment" /"connection" with their machine. Time/circumstances influence our choices more often than not. I personally do feel that any machine upto 500cc is more than decent for our existing road & traffic conditions. Another point is serviceability of your machine & availability of spares. If the plan is to ride across the length & breath of the country, all terrains, then one definately needs their machine to be reliable & serviceable. Sensible decision. Ride safe & tc!
Many thanks. To each their choice. There is no right or wrong. 👍🙏
The exact thoughts that gone through before purchasing my first adventure bike. Happy with my choice.
Well done.
I very much enjoyed listening to you two gentlemen debate and discuss two real world bikes.
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Beautiful location and great videography.❤
Thanks a lot.
Makes a lot of sense…tats how am thinking right now for my 3rd motorcycle….decisions are being made with head now…when we choose with heart the bikes using us instead of us using the motorcycle
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Just subscribed! Thank you for your thoughts. I recently (4 months ago) sold my 2020 Vstrom 650XT and bought a KTM 390 Adventure SW. I often think I made a mistake selling the Vstrom but the weight difference is a big plus for me at 62yrs of age. I wanted a little bit more off road capability than the Vstrom as I always felt it was very heavy for me. Problem is I find the KTM very high and it vibrates a lot at higher speeds. Perhaps I might go test ride a RE Himalayan 450 when they arrive in Australia 😊
Welcome aboard! 👍
What are your thoughts on Honda NX500?
Good but expensive
Brilliant machine
Same same here. But I am still waiting for the Himalayan to arrive in europe as many others with much anticipation 😊
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It's always a pleasure to hear both of u for hours and hours,it's logical knowledge sharing with us,thanks guru
So nice of you. Thanks.
Thank you for simplifying it so well !!! Love your content 😍🙂👍
My pleasure! Thanks.
The Himalayan 450 also is a heavy motorcycle. The 196kg kerb weight that they publish is with 90% fuel. With a full tank the motorcycle is easily 200 plus kgs. For a single that is heavy. The power to weight ratio makes little sense. If you wanted a lighter and easier to handle motorcycle then the 390 Adv is the way to go. It is 20kgs lighter than the Himalayan 450. Handles superbly. Only issue is the buzzy feeling on the bars, pegs and seat. But then the Himalayan 450 isn’t winning any awards in the refinement department either.
Agree and I like the H450 more than the 390A.
Factually even with 100% full tank the bike will weigh 196+ 1.2. Am not counting in the accessories weight. Cheers
@@CowKora that’s somehow hard to believe. Because if the bike weighed less than 200 kgs fully laden with fuel, then RE’s marketing team would be plastering that aspect across the entire planet. But they aren’t doing that. Instead they say 196 kgs and then put a caveat of 90% fuel. Why?
Every motorcycle out there publishes kerb weight fully laden with fuel and fluids. RE knows that this one aspect is critical and that people will be looking for it. So they found a brilliant way to shape the narrative by saying 196kgs; and then tacking on the “with 90% fuel” to give themselves room for defense.
Also if the motorcycle is truly light, then we would have heard everyone say that in the reviews. And no one has done that so far. In fact I have heard multiple people say that the Himalayan 450 is heavy. Maybe not as heavy as its siblings; but it certainly hasn’t been praised as a light motorcycle.
(Compare that to the reviews of say the Honda Transalp (different segment I know); which has a published kerb weight of 208 kgs; and every reviewer mentions how light it feels. I myself test rode it and was blown away with the light weight on a 755cc bike)
@@passionandcommonsense 90 percent of this bike's fuel capacity is 15.3 litres. That is just 1.7 litres of fuel that they are not counting and it's only 1.2 to 1.3 kg.
@@twowheeledparadox that’s being too literal about it. All I know is that if the bike weighed less than 200kgs fully laden with all fluids, then RE would have made sure to drill that fact into all of our brains. The fact that they haven’t done that makes me think that this bike is easily over 200kgs kerb weight.
The only way to know for sure is for someone to weigh a stock bike fully laden with fuel.
I watched the video intently, everything made complete sense and now I’m contemplating life.
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Poppy blue is the best color scheme for my eyes too 😍(which I had booked & cancelled later) & the accessories are elevating its style👍
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Very prudent decision. Wishing you a wonderful ownership. I am also tempted to buy one but since most of my touring is 2-up fully loaded on 1200cc not sure how much of a compromise I have to make. But being on the other side of 50 now, heavier bikes do become a liability in many situations....
But this Himalayan being so good...in another 2 years will we be seeing everybody and their neighbour riding a Himalayan 450...it becomes the National Motorcycle of India!😄
Thanks. Yes, it's about evolution of one's riding.
Hero splendor plus is best for all and everything.....😂
Thats our life
75-90 all day crusing with 55+kmpl
Or Bajaj CT110 😊❤my current bike........
All and everything is a bit of an exaggeration. 😊
More people are thinking splendor plus is the best bike.....😊
Thank you 🤩
Good motorcicle himalyan 452cc ❤
Gustavo 🇧🇷 😉👍
Thank you too!
beautiful back ground, fantastic honest insights, 2 great mates. Killer content
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My thoughts exactly!! As someone who's owned a bunch of "big bikes", I can't agree more...
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The way he calls you Bosski, its kinda cute to hear. 😊
Oh thanks!
Zrobiłem dokładnie to samo . Miałem 10 lat VStroma 650, ale po przejechaniu się na Himalayanie podjąłem decyzję o zmianie. Jestem zachwycony możliwościami tego motocykla. Prawdziwy "Jeep" wśród motocykli. Pozdrawiam z Polski.
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Not questioning your decision, but few pointers :
1. EBC Brake Pads = 4k a set
2. Tyres MRF : 9.5k a set
3. Air filter replaced every 18k kms and cleaned every 6k kms.
4. Chain going strong at 30k kms on odo
5. 2.7 litres of fully synthetic oil replaced every 6k kms.
6. Bought my Vstrom for 8.25L on road.
216 kgs vs 196 kgs, neither are light, so happily living with my lovely Vstrom 650. Happily did Zanskar & Umlingla on my 2020 Vstrom 659. To conclude, to everyone, there own. Cheers 😊
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Respect your decision sir. I am a proud V Strom 650 owner myself and I agree with your “functional” assessment of the motorcycle. I own a Mojo along with the Suzuki and the reason why I bought the Suzuki was to have a different “experience”. Each motorcycle comes with its unique character and comparing only the functional aspects while making a decision would only be half of the story. So, for me, I would cherish the diversity of experience over the functionality alone. The Himalayan is a great motorcycle and may even be more functional than the V Strom, but it wont even come close to match the charisma of the V twin motor and the Suzuki’s riding experience. Just my 2 cents sir, but all the best to your future rides on the RE and Triumph. Long live the V Strom.
Thanks for the comment and agree. And each of our motorcycling evolves differently and the needs and wants change. There is no right or wrong rather an individual choice. Thanks.
Full respect to your personal decision, but also it is a pity that the Suzuki is being released...
Especially when you have the lighter T400x scrambler in your garage.
The H450 & 400X is a good combo in the garage.
By the same parameters, V-Strom 250 SX is a better choice than Himalayan 450. My riding buddy goes everywhere with it. Japanese engine far better than RE in terms of top-end,even low-end, refinement, touring, bad roads, far cheaper maintenance etc.. Only thing it wont be that good, is in proper off-roading. Though many have taken it to Spiti, Ladakh etc.
Yes. Why not. Whether the 250sx is better or not is debatable. In my opinion the H450 has a better engine, better suspension. But that doesn't matter. To each their own.
Very good and mature choice in my view. I had gone up in cc and bhp up to a 330kg 1400 GTR with 150 or so BHP; then realized I was never using quite a few of these horses, so I changed it for an 230kg Africa Twin 1000 of "only" 95bhp in 2016. Now I am seriously considering the Himalayan 450. I liked the 411, but it was too underpowered. I think the Himalayan 450 offers an excellent fun/usability/budget mix.
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Loved it, very practical and well thought out points! 😊
Thanks for making my doubts vanish forever ♾️
My pleasure.
I know you’re more into adventure / touring bikes, but would love to hear your take on smaller yet bit premium bikes for daily commuting? Likes of Honda cb300f, Yamaha mt 15, NS250, Gixxer 250 and more.
Aaaaand while we’re at it, can you also review electric scooters like Aether, Chetak, Ola and the likes 😂
We know we can watch N-number of other videos but would love to hear your take and have some fun along the buying journey 😅
Yes, correct. And will check on this possibility. Thanks & regards. 😊🙏
Your thoughts male sense, while i do have a couple of retro 1200s in the garrage and a 950 adv, I have been having this lingering though about replacing the 950 with the 452 Himalayan purely for all the resons you mentioned.. the retros will stay but for everything else, I will get the himi!!
I feel your comment! 👍
Excelent video. Crazy thing is in Denmark where I am from they cost almost the same. 80K for the Vstrong and 70K DKR for the Himalayan. I will go with the vstrom I feel.
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It’s absolutely practical decision! I think when you are young and handle the higher power and weight it’s good to own a higher power bike ! Once you can’t handle it anymore moving to what suits is right! It’s always a personal choice 👍🏻
Absolutely!! Thanks.
Have traveled extensively on my RX 135, never a problem, chose the Suzuki V Storm 250 perfect replacement.
Well done
Such a matured and well thought points you shared…!!!
It is always pleasure to watch your videos..!!!!
Happy riding Sir..!!! 🏍️
And keep sharing your valuable knowledge…!!!!
Thanks a ton. Kind of you. Regards.
Boski, this seems like trend among motorcyclists. Most start with a smaller bike, upgrade all the way to a liter class or more and then slowly come back to 250 - 400 cc and settle.
Exactly because till that time they learn what they lost😊😊
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I would say what was lost! It's evolution. Appropriate things at appropriate time.
Agree 💯 with you. Faced the same with TRK 502X, so switched to 450. Oh boy! Didn't know what fun I was missing out on. Again, no bike is perfect😊
Right on!
Appreciate your rational and practical choice boski and sharing those words of wisdom and experience with us all. 🙌🏼 But yet, as riders and enthusiasts where most move by feeling and excitement. On a casual note ಯಾವದಾದ್ರೂ ಇರಲಿ, ಎಷ್ಟಿದ್ರೂ ಸಾಕು ಅಂತ ಅನ್ಸಲ್ಲ, ಅಲ್ವಾ .😊
Thanks.
Yes!
Yeh dil maange more! 😊
@@bigbearbangalore hahahah yussss!!! Thank you for reciprocating boski! Cheeevers!
Sir that Backdrop....you are living in a Scenery.
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Amazing videos guys, and what a beautiful setting. I really need your advice for Honda CB350 & RE Hunter 350.
Boski & Ck produce excellent content for Indian bikes, wishing you all the very best to get to milllion subscribers soon
Thanks.
More Commuting = Hunter
More Touring = CB350
What a gorgeous location
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Although it does make sense specially with the kind of single cylinder advs that are coming up, but its really sad to see engineering masterpeices like v strom 650 fade away, nothing beats a v-twin 🥲
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A lot respect to both you guys
But genuine question how do you guys spend money on the bike, like what factors that it is a good buy or a investment (let it be costly or cheap)?
Thanks.
I invest in accessories that I feel that adds comfort and or security for the ride and experience. Some are premium and some are budget. Utility comes first and price next.
Actually it was your initial videos on the Himalayan that acted as a trigger for me to sell my VStrom. It was a motorcycle that I never connected with and the reasons were quite similar. I also realised that a lot of people will be thinking along the same lines and hence the big bikes will become an even tougher sell in the future, so off it went.
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Money saved is money earned. I had taken a similar decision last year when i let go of my rx100.
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Hey I have taken test ride of Honda Hness and really loved it . But I’m sceptical abt it’s sales as I don’t see much of those on roads. What’s ur take on the 350cc lineup of Honda?
It's a Honda. Can't go wrong with a Honda.
How often should I lubricant bike's chain
Every 500 kms
I am a previous VSTROM owner, the 650xt. Had an accident and I am now, 2 years later, looking to get back on the saddle. The vstrom here, where I live, is TWICE THE COST OF THE HIMALAYAN!!!! insane.
They made the decision for me
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Nice discussion and almost exactly similar to my thoughts. Almost because I will replace Himalayan with Xpulse 2004v. Reason all same except that for me highway speed of 80 is more than sufficient.
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I already owning an interceptor 650 for last 5 years. Now I’m seriously looking at xpulse 200 4v pro. I am attracted towards it by the light weight and suspension of xpluse. Am I also thinking with a heart instead of a head?
Heart over head is ok. 😊 Ensure that you take test rides to know well if the Xp can replace most of what you've been doing on the 650.
They are significantly different.
I agree that, i own TNT600GT, these bikes are heavy and we can't enjoy twisties and we surely feel the weight and yes parking space we need to be extra cautious, to be frank any bikes abobe 500cc multiple cylinders in India is not worth, we can't enjoy at full potential and yes these bikes are expensive to maintain as well. I agree with each and every point, i am also thinking to downgrade to Himalayan or Aprilia rs457.
Thanks for sharing. And let's not refer to it as a "downgrade". 😊
Nicely put.
I've had Enfield for more than a decade. Still have it.
Even rode previous version of Himalayan. Recently did 3500 kms ride on my Vstorm 650 with Himalayan 452 alongside. Few thoughts:
- Yes new Himalayan does extremely well on tarmac. But the legacy power lag still there.
- Royal Enfield is easily serviceable motorcycle in India. But the quality of service is always questionable.
- Quality of products. You ride any non-RE and comeback to RE, difference of product and ride quality is clear.
- But can't deny on your pricing part. But for every premium bike, there are quality alternative spares. You don't always need to buy company products. Research matters.
Yes, enfield spares and service is affordable. Quality comes with a price tag.
Having said all that, I am a Vstorm fan boy with immense love for RE for its outreach in India.
I almost bought one new Himalayan. But for a 6'2" 95+ guy, this one seems little lesser.
Again personal preferences.
Thanks for sharing.
And yes it's a personal preference.
Having said all that, I like the way you kept it simple in layman terms.
I was just looking at that gorgeous background wallpaper, absolutely beautiful place ♥♥♥♥
Glad you like it!
White and blue Vstrom 650 guy waiting for a kamet white delivery. I know that the h.452 will do 100% of what I do with the V650 without having ridden one. The India cost of spares is certainly tear inducing. I kind of agree with your analysis, while thinking of the hima as a +1 bike, for now at any rate
You did leave one question unasked/ open, which bike would a h.452 owner rider want after a while and getting really familiar - from the ones we can (reasonably easily) buy and register here.
Best wishes on the Kamet.
I don't know what's next. Too early to say. Foe rhe moment I have the 450 and the 400X. It's a balanced garage.
Your channel was very instrumental in getting my v strom 650. Its been almost 2 year and i have enjoyed it. Thanks for your honest opinion.
Bosky sir, did you do someting to the front suspension of v strom ? I put in a heavier fork oil and there has been a significant improvement
Glad to hear.
Added an 8 mm spacer.
@@bigbearbangalore oh nice
When we talk about the aspect of longevity, I highly doubt that the himalayan will surpass any Japanese motorbike. But yes the conditions such as handling and maintenance cost are a real world struggles that people should look upon before buying any motorcycle. Well said bosky.
There's no debate as to the fact that Japanese quality, durability and reliability is the best.
Bosky sir please advise which aux lights u r using in H450
Baja Designs Squadron Pro.
Sir,
1) Why Scrambler400 and Himalayan450 together?
2) Which helmet do you recommend for touring considering the budget? I have MT Thunder 3 model but I get a noise even after following your advice of keeping cotton while riding.
Why together? Because many are comparing them hence shared our thoughts on the different purpose and use of each in this video.
Use more cotton! Or use motorcycle earplugs.
I loved the Himalayan being a Yamaha fan who is in no mood to launch the Tenere in India... Holding myself waiting for the Xpulse 400
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Nice T Shirt sir! ❤
Love that mandala art, where can i get one??
Thanks. That's from the Himalayan Odyssey 2023.
Booked Himalayan 452 on last week of December and now waiting for Him...😇
And you will regret about it 😅
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@@harikrishnancm8359 RE motorcycles are not reliable, am an mechanical Engg and I visited RE plant at Chennai. Poor built quality
Congrats
Hey everyone, I'm owning an Xpulse 200 4v 2023 model. I'm struggling to maintain control at speeds over 80 kmph ( while the newly bought even 90 to 100kmph was well under control). Even after having the rear wheel checked and grooving done by service personnel, I still experience a slight shaking sensation when it spins on the center stand. Any thoughts on what might be causing this issue?
Replace tyre
Which engine oil are you running on? If the RE one’s, then is it any good or I should opt for the Motul 10W40 synthetic one?
RE oil to retain warranty. But I have used 10w-40 Silkolene Pro and installed the FuelX so the warranty void.
@@bigbearbangalore Thank you
Try Honda NX500 & please make a video of it also
Will check on this possibility.
Hello!
Could you please provide the link or brand name of the fogg lights used in the above himalayan? Along with that clamp?
Those are Baja Designs Squadron Pro from motousher.com
So the real reason is Spares and Maintenance, Not sure if RE is the way to go.
RE spares availability is one of the best in the business.
Ok, I owned the first Himalayan, I also own a superb Vstrom. Both are fantastic for certain situations, from all the videos of Indian roads I have seen, The new Himalayan will be perfect. In Europe we would need 2 bikes, especially for touring here in Spain. The new Himalayan would be short in many departments ,2 up touring with luggage (Here in Europe ) and highway riding. So here's the kicker, the Vstrom 2 up is sufficient, but for long term 2 up touring, again it lacks a few ponies. It's horses for courses. Enjoy your riding
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Is 450 worth an upgrade for my 10yo classic 350cc carborator model. Finding difficult to maintain 100-110 kmph in long highway trips.
Test ride to know more.
Friendship goals ❤😊
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I wish RE should launch the carburetor version of Himalayan 450. No sensors, no electronics. But, it's just a freedom of motorcycling.
Carb cannot pass BS3 emissions test hence the FI is needed.
Great video! Greetings from Colombia! One doubt: If you have to choose between the Himalayan 450 and the Triumph scrambler 400 ..which one would you choose?
Greetings.
Himalayan 450 would be my choice.
I have a question here.
I am a big guy 6.2 ft looking to buy a motorcycle. My choices within my budget is between himalyan and Benelli trk 502 weight of bike should not be an issue for me but tell me which one should I buy? and why?
Am not familiar with the Benelli. The network and support is not as good as RE.
Hello Bosky, can you please share your knowledge about seat cushion? Are stock seats which are hard as in my Bullet 500cc 2019 make is good or soft one from long ride perspective
Seat is a personal affair! 😊 Get it customised at a local seat shop.
@@bigbearbangalore thank you very much 😀😀..but while doing customisation should I opt for hard or soft cushion...??
Perfect cushion for me anything more softer will leave sore butt after 30 mins.
I changed my engine oil yesterday in my cb 350 rs I used 10W40 instead of 5W30 (recommended) will it be ok if I keep it or is it harmful and I need to change it ASAP because a friend seriously suggested that I should change it right away.
You could change it at the earliest. Nothing serious would have happened but better change to recommended grade.
Absolutely, after owning 2 bike bikes feel they are good for occasional breakfast rides and for experiencing pure high speed adrenaline however 300-500cc bikes with decent power,low maintaince cost, lighter,nimble is more suited and practical for Indian roads!Royal Enfield if they fix the few minor niggles in the Himalayan will be a fantastic all round touring bike!!!
Agree. Thanks.
Thinking about the same switch, for the reason to let my wife ride. Her 170cm doesn't let her even stand still on Vstrom, not to mention the weight. But my concern is will it be able to replace the Wee on 2-up trips, with luggage and everything - will it be underpowered? The speed i need is up to 140kph on highway (that I avoid) where I can.. Still waiting for test ride, as it arrived in Croatia few days ago...
Try it when it's there to know more. Two up and luggage, 140kmph is possible but the acceleration may be slower. Check it out.
super chat guys....loving the banter !! @CK does X440 "still" figure into the narrative keeping in mind the very same logics discussed in this video. would love to know your ruminations on this ☺
Glad you enjoyed it.
Hey, just curious.. Was the NX500 in consideration when you were looking to replace your 650? I hear it's a light, easy to maneuver bike with a really nice cruising speed and fuel economy.. The entry cost is stupid high, but the rest of the ownership aspect seems good.. Thoughts?
How do you think the maintenance costs for the NX500 would be? On a scale of 1-10 where 1 is cheap to maintain. Let's say the Duke 390 is a 3 in the scale.. How would the Himalayan 450 and NX500 fair?
Yes I did consider NX500. And then I decided to own both the H450 and the 400X for that money.
@@bigbearbangalore Hahaha, makes sense!
Sir. What you think about BMW G310 AN tell the whic one is better himalyan or bmw
2) can u share service an customer support about re
BMW is quite intrusively buzzy at highway speeds. Apart from that it's great. But the dash is very outdated. Customer support perhaps is good with both brands. Maintenance and repair costs are higher on the BMW.
Hi, Iam hearing about the reliability problem in Himalayan.. unusual engine noise after 5k kms, noises from brake pads and after service also those noises are there...what do you think about it ?
Random issues perhaps.
Can u pls review NX500? Wish u good luck from Bangladesh.🇧🇩❤️🇧🇩
Will check on this possibility.
For the Indian roads I believe 250cc to 400cc is the max we need. Unless u r so addicted to performance. You let go off the performance part and enjoy the journey watching scenery the above said cc is all you need in life to be happy, peaceful and money to spare in pocket.
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At First I Thought What The Hell Is He Doing... But, After Hearing What You Said... I Would Took The Change Too...
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During Raider Mania, Siddhartha Lal stated that the Himalayan 450 is a practical adventure bike that can compete with the Tiger, GS, and others Adventure bikes.
I put it as #PracticalBike
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