You have to remember that it's not in Reef2Reef's best interest to promote anything Humble.Fish does. As long as you isolate your fish for another 30 days after hybrid ttm any failures except maybe uronema it should show prior to introduction to the display. I used ttm for many years before the hybrid method was popularized. Many fish, big ones, small ones, medium ones. The only thing that ever got through was Uronema but it was found in isolation tank. You can always use larger tanks just don't fill them up all the way. That way the fish have room to swim and you use less water.
yep - Humble fish's videos which i linked too spell out the process in great detail. The purpose of this video is not really to show you how to do TTM, but just a quick overview of my experience with it.
The TTM saved all my fish from ick and velvet. I have complete trust in that method! Since then, I have successfully quarantined all my fish including a powder brown and a sailfin tang which sometimes disagree on the best spot to sleep in 🤣 however, the powder tang has never shown any white spot over the years whatsoever although that fish is known to be an ick magnet. Haven't tried the modified version with hydrogen peroxide, but maybe next time!!
I have used this method successfully and will continue to use it. Just have everything prepared and ready to go. Have two holding tanks so the fish can be quickly transferred so is not waiting for you to clean.
from my display tank. that way the water is kinda of conditioned and has some life in it. Sometime newly mixed saltwater can be a be harsh on fish in terms of Ph and potentially high concentration of some elements
One of the most satisfying jobs at the fish shop was dunking fish into freshwater baths and watching those little clear bastards turn white and fall off. Flukes are horrible.
yeah, freshwater bath make me a bit nervous, but the hydrogen peroxide bath in salt water seems more gentle... no panic of seeing the fish shocked by salinity.
@@TheBioReef We never had any issue doing it. We'd catch the fish and stick it in the tank with freshwater fish. I read you were supposed to adjust the PH of the water and all the carry on but it was never any difference. I dipped hundreds of fish over the years like that, never any shock or deaths. A 5 minute dip was all they ever got
@@TheBioReef you just got to remember the hydro is stripping a layer off the the fish, so no immune system and a lot of effort for the fish to repair the damage you did. You also have to consider the fact hydrogen peroxide is super dangerous and you don't actually feel the damage it is doing till long after the damage is done, if you get your dosage wrong and the fish will be killed before you notice any change to it, when you do it is well too late to save them. When you consider that, the Freshwater dips are much safer.
@@Reefahholic when I did my research, seemed like aggression was mostly restricted to conspecifics and members of the same genus. So possibly risky, but I guess it depends on the size of your system. Gorgeous fish though!
@@TheBioReef they are beautiful little fish but man do they pick at the rocks very well which is my sole reason for wanting one. I had a yellow eye kole tang and she did pretty good, but she would grab sand and spit it on the rocks and in the corals. That was really annoying. Hoping these guys don’t do that.
Perhaps easy is relative; having done copper Qt exclusively for the past 5 years, I found the ttm easier in that I wasn’t constantly ramping up copper and testing daily for about 5 to 7 days till levels stabilized. Hi think it is also easier on the fish in a sense that they are no subjected to copper
Can you not give fish a hydrogen peroxide bath in the bag when you buy the fish then tranfer it to bucket and on the day you are tranfering to the second bucket can you hydrogen peroxide the first bucket with the fish in it before you tranfer the fish to second bucket and that way the first bucket gets sterilisation and the fish gets a hydrogen peroxide bath for 30 mins then tranfer fish into second bucket. and the first bucket you could add a bit more hydrogen peroxide to sterilise it empty after a day and dry
Prime doesn’t do anything to decrease ammonia. Also, Jesus Christ, the new fish already went through stressful shipping process. Adding another layer of stress, especially with a method this aggressive is a bad idea. At least let the fish rest in a tank for a week or two.
My understanding is that prime blocks ammonia from forming (ie keeping it as ammonium). Also I was very gentle with the transfer using a wide cauldron instead of a net and offer it lots of food. I would rather start the treatment right away rather than delay and risk pathogens build up.
In my experience the fish quickly get used to being transferred, as long as you are organised and have appropriate holding containers and aeration they don’t seem too bothered about it and by the way velvet and parasites are far more stressful than hybrid TTM.
You have to remember that it's not in Reef2Reef's best interest to promote anything Humble.Fish does. As long as you isolate your fish for another 30 days after hybrid ttm any failures except maybe uronema it should show prior to introduction to the display. I used ttm for many years before the hybrid method was popularized. Many fish, big ones, small ones, medium ones. The only thing that ever got through was Uronema but it was found in isolation tank. You can always use larger tanks just don't fill them up all the way. That way the fish have room to swim and you use less water.
incorrect to change at day 4, its 'Before' every 72 hrs or your wasting your time
yep - Humble fish's videos which i linked too spell out the process in great detail. The purpose of this video is not really to show you how to do TTM, but just a quick overview of my experience with it.
The TTM saved all my fish from ick and velvet. I have complete trust in that method! Since then, I have successfully quarantined all my fish including a powder brown and a sailfin tang which sometimes disagree on the best spot to sleep in 🤣 however, the powder tang has never shown any white spot over the years whatsoever although that fish is known to be an ick magnet. Haven't tried the modified version with hydrogen peroxide, but maybe next time!!
That is awesome!, thanks for sharing
I have used this method successfully and will continue to use it. Just have everything prepared and ready to go. Have two holding tanks so the fish can be quickly transferred so is not waiting for you to clean.
nice!
I’m waiting for your new tank update after moving corals and fish 😊
Coming :)
Same her!
damn thats gotta burn, I use peroxide mixed in with nasal saline spray when i feel sick... usually shortens the time im sick so prob works but ouch.
Please explain your process of transferring livestock from old tank to the new one.
I will do that in a new vid on the wb180
May give this a try at some point. 👍. That lawnmower blenny is FAT and HAPPY! 😳😂
Thanks! Kenny the blenny leads a happy life! 😂
New to salt , the water in each bucket for this method ...comes from your tank or freshly mixed saltwater?
from my display tank. that way the water is kinda of conditioned and has some life in it. Sometime newly mixed saltwater can be a be harsh on fish in terms of Ph and potentially high concentration of some elements
@@TheBioReef ahh ok cool , like taken water out the DT to set up a QT. Thanks for the reply appreciate it
@@GeneralGP114 my pleasure
Will this work for freshwater quarantine?
Not sure. Better check with someone who knows freshwater
One of the most satisfying jobs at the fish shop was dunking fish into freshwater baths and watching those little clear bastards turn white and fall off. Flukes are horrible.
yeah, freshwater bath make me a bit nervous, but the hydrogen peroxide bath in salt water seems more gentle... no panic of seeing the fish shocked by salinity.
@@TheBioReef We never had any issue doing it. We'd catch the fish and stick it in the tank with freshwater fish. I read you were supposed to adjust the PH of the water and all the carry on but it was never any difference. I dipped hundreds of fish over the years like that, never any shock or deaths. A 5 minute dip was all they ever got
@@andeyking yeah I believe you… I’ve done fw dips as well and the fish recovered. I just don’t like how they play dead… always made me nervous 😬
@@TheBioReef you just got to remember the hydro is stripping a layer off the the fish, so no immune system and a lot of effort for the fish to repair the damage you did. You also have to consider the fact hydrogen peroxide is super dangerous and you don't actually feel the damage it is doing till long after the damage is done, if you get your dosage wrong and the fish will be killed before you notice any change to it, when you do it is well too late to save them. When you consider that, the Freshwater dips are much safer.
Hybrid is tha best way IMO. Where did you purchase your Tomini? Price?
Thanks! I got the tomini for a LFS - candy corals. Was $175 Canadian I believe
@@TheBioReef ok. I was thinking of adding 2 to my system. I wonder if two will fight? In the US I see them in the $45-$75 range.
@@Reefahholic when I did my research, seemed like aggression was mostly restricted to conspecifics and members of the same genus. So possibly risky, but I guess it depends on the size of your system. Gorgeous fish though!
@@TheBioReef they are beautiful little fish but man do they pick at the rocks very well which is my sole reason for wanting one. I had a yellow eye kole tang and she did pretty good, but she would grab sand and spit it on the rocks and in the corals. That was really annoying. Hoping these guys don’t do that.
@@Reefahholic yeah mine has been picking at rocks all the time... him and my algae blenny! very good herbivores!
Doesn't strike me as particularly easy .
Perhaps easy is relative; having done copper Qt exclusively for the past 5 years, I found the ttm easier in that I wasn’t constantly ramping up copper and testing daily for about 5 to 7 days till levels stabilized. Hi think it is also easier on the fish in a sense that they are no subjected to copper
Can you not give fish a hydrogen peroxide bath in the bag when you buy the fish then tranfer it to bucket and on the day you are tranfering to the second bucket can you hydrogen peroxide the first bucket with the fish in it before you tranfer the fish to second bucket and that way the first bucket gets sterilisation and the fish gets a hydrogen peroxide bath for 30 mins then tranfer fish into second bucket. and the first bucket you could add a bit more hydrogen peroxide to sterilise it empty after a day and dry
Prime doesn’t do anything to decrease ammonia. Also, Jesus Christ, the new fish already went through stressful shipping process. Adding another layer of stress, especially with a method this aggressive is a bad idea. At least let the fish rest in a tank for a week or two.
My understanding is that prime blocks ammonia from forming (ie keeping it as ammonium). Also I was very gentle with the transfer using a wide cauldron instead of a net and offer it lots of food. I would rather start the treatment right away rather than delay and risk pathogens build up.
Prime does reduce ammonia lol.
In my experience the fish quickly get used to being transferred, as long as you are organised and have appropriate holding containers and aeration they don’t seem too bothered about it and by the way velvet and parasites are far more stressful than hybrid TTM.
@innocent wild Wow, 2 statements and they’re both wrong. Good for you 😂