*Uther the Lightbringer:* In the name of the Knights of the Silver Hand... you're under arrest, prince. *Arthas:* Are you threatening me, paladin? *Uther the Lightbringer:* The King will decide your fate. *Arthas:* I AM the king. *Uther the Lightbringer:* Not yet. *Arthas:* It's treason then.
On a semi-related note, Prince Arthas is basically the Darth Vader transformation arc we all wanted and never got. Edit: So I just watched The Clone Wars series...
@@Laotzu.Goldbug Yes! Interstingly enough, Uther Pendragon is Arthur's Father and it was rumoured that he would return from another world after receiving a deadly wound to rule over his people once again, just like he returned from Northrend as an undad to rule over Lordaeron. Frostmourne also is similar to Excalibur as both were embed in a rock piedestral.
Arthas: This entire city must be purged. Uther: How about we just set up a quarantine and keep Mal'ganis away from stratholme's people until our healers rid them of the plague? Arthas: Ehm... well.. that could also be a solution.. *good ending unlocked*
Good thinking, but it wouldn't work. The plague that is a vector for Undeath would literally turn people overnight - if you leave them be, in the mission, they still turn into Zombies.
@@hallowedbeyourdays It would work. Like what you say, it's a plague, it's not like a bite that would turn you into a zombie in just minutes, it's a plagued grain that when consumed, would turn you into a zombie within a day (though the process would take many hours). They could have set up barricades, outposts, guards, and alert systems everywhere. Villagers will be ordered to stay in their homes, giving them weapons if their relatives turn into zombies inside their households. The disaster in Hearthglen occurred because the defenders in the town were just Arthas' personal troops. Uther learned his lesson and he accompanied Arthas in his next mission, only to leave when he knew Arthas' plan was basically to slaughter everyone else in the city. With the Silver Hand on Arthas' back now, the quarantine wouldn't have been easily overrun. I mean Uther's troops just liberated a Hearthglen literally surrounded by the Scourge. Alienating Jaina didn't help as well, the woman had close connections with the Kirin Tor and she could have easily teleported curious wizards from Dalaran to Stratholme so the quarantine could have been implemented better and the plague could have been studied deeper. Of course Arthas' was a man of good intentions but he always want it to get it "his way," sidelining the viewpoints and expertise of Uther and Jaina. And clearly doing the opposite of the Alliance's main value: teamwork. Yes, collective decision-making is long process but it's the main reason why the Alliance won the Second War. Sure Stratholme can fall, Lordaeron can fall but humans can retreat, can think, can plan, can launch new offensives/counterattacks/crusade to retake Lordaeron. That's the same logic during the First War, Stormwind, having no desperate measure man like Arthas to lead them, quickly fell to the Horde but Stormwind was retaken after the Second War (though it took them long and many lives were lost). Also the Alliance was already unifying when the plague started, the isolated kingdom of Quel'Thalas began sending their elven priests and sorceresses. The kingdoms of Gilneas and Stromgarde who left the Alliance after the Second War, sent their battlegroups to aid in Jaina's expedition to Kalimdor. Arthas had everything that he needed to defeat the undead but he literally alienated ALMOST EVERYONE OF THEM, from Jaina and Uther up to Muradin (that really hurted the feelings of the Bronzebeard royal family in Ironforge). Also he was very stup¡d 🤣🤣🤣, he didn't entirely clean up his mess, it's the Stratholme's survivors who burned the corpse, not him (they could reanimate as skeleton warriors).
@@TimeMakerDotPH My brother in Christ, we the player watch them zombify before our eyes. And the rest of this comment you seem to have gone spiralling onto, for no reason discernible to me... look man, you are aware Ner'zhul and Frostmourne were poisoning Arthas's mind long before he so much as arrived at dealing with the Blackrock clan, on whom Uther commented were bringing the same old rhetoric?
@@hallowedbeyourdays but as the level designer I think for the culling? (Can be wrong @.@) pointed out, to anybody especially who played wc3 on hard, Dalaran and the high elves put up some decent fight prior hand, even with Lordaeron completely combusted, if arthas rallied everybody, things may not have escalated to the point where archimond was able to be summoned.
@@celeb-seventeen To the best of my recollection, the Burning Legion's return was nothing to do with what the Lich King did. Archimonde used undead servants to mine gold and harvest timber, but the army was all demonic, not undead on its own. Arthas may have crunched a lot of people who could have weighed in a lot to the defense of the World Tree in Kalimdor, but the Undead Scourge weren't a crippling mechanism for the Burning Legion; at the hand of the ones who became Kaldorei night elves the Legion may have been defeated once already by Azeroth's defenders, but the Legion prefers to win with mass, not class. Strategically speaking if the Plague was a bioweapon used with intent then it was massive success to the Legion's eyes, who hurled the Throne at the planet to begin with.
Tbh I don't understand what was in Jaina's mind??? I can a bit emphatize with Uther as he maybe still at disbelief or doesn't understood the situation completely. But Jaina?? She is there when the whole plagued grain was and she knows about the Cult of the Damned wish. And didn't tell anyone?????
No since killing off Stratholme doesn't impede the Scourge in any meaningful way. They don't need intact corpses to make more troops (see Abominations) or even corpses at all even (see Banshees and Shades).
@@galten7361 killing off stratholme will at least hold off the situation for a bit. The more dead you have the stronger ranks you will get. And not mention these undeads can walk and kill with easy access if Stratholme truly falls to their hand.
@th3ra83 Go show where it says that the Scourge needed Stratholme at all beyond spreading plagued grain (which wouldn't be needed once Arthas arrived). And the Scourge again don't even need corpses to get more troops. As long as they can raise the dead with no losses in Necromancers and Nathrezim and Liches and whoever else can use Necromantic magic combined with continuing to use cauldrons and spreading plagued food they can keep on running around Lordaeron killing off citizens and raising graveyards.
I think what always gets me about this scene is that Arthas was right, but he was so blinded by rage that he wasn't able to vocalize that there really wasn't any other option. That and the "purity" of Uther leaves him completely unequipped to handle these gray situations.
Not really. In WC3 lore the plague is not spread by the undead but through necromancy or necromantic enchanted objects (including food). Arthas killing off his own subjects indisriminately doesn't impede the Scourge in any notable way and more importantly is what Ner'zhul is counting on as a test.
@@galten7361 I always thought they could've just quarantined the city by just locking the gates and killing anything that leaves but know that I understand more about how sieges go, its extremely likely that a lot of people turned undead would just be able to escape anyways
I believe that this was the Lich King's first influence hiding in plain sight, whispering to Arthas bit by bit and slowly influencing Arthas' ruthlessness into the ways of the Dark to the point where Jaina and Uther were too naive to see that this wasn't something "Arthas" is supposed to say randomly. The Lich King's plan was perfect, in timing and in picking a Champion.
@@galten7361 "the plague is not spread by the undead but through necromancy or necromantic enchanted objects (including food). Arthas killing off his own subjects indisriminately doesn't impede the Scourge in any notable way" I kinda disagree. The people of Stratholme are contaminated hence they WILL turn to undead, there are no way, AFAIK, to prevent it. Therefore even if they do not contaminate other people as the plague spread though necromancy and not from contamination, that's another front to deal with. Indeed, the undead not contaminating other people does not mean they are not a threat, you still have to deal with them. In this case, going further and leaving Stratholme as it is means you leave a small army of undead behind you. Worst thing is that they are undead so they don't depend on a chain of supply. Basicaly, that means there is a small army that can flank you, disturb your own chain of supply, etc. So, granting that my understanding is correct that is there are no way to cure those people, only two options are available : 1° kill them now and move one to the next task 2° don't kill them now but then they will die anyway and you have to deal with a small army behind your back In both scenarios, those people die but in one of them you deal with the threat quickly and with minimum ressources and loss, on the other, you are still facing a threat and will have to spend ressources and time to deal with it and will potentialy suffer many losses. Honestly, I can see how one in his right mind would not choose Arthas' solution.
Uther: Glad I could make it, Arthas. Arthas: I watch my tone with you, old man. I may be the prince, but you're still my superior as a paladin. Uther: As if you could forget. Yes Arthas, there's something about the plague I should know. ...Oh no, it's already begun. These people may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they turn into the Undead! Arthas: What?! Uther: This entire city must be purged. Arthas: How can I even consider that? There's got to be some other way. Uther: Damn it, Arthas! As my future king, order me to purge this city! Arthas: I am not your king yet, old man. Nor should you obey that command even if I were. Uther: Then you must consider this an act of treason. Arthas: Treason?! Have I lost my mind, Uther? Uther: Have you? Prince Arthas, by right of succession and the sovereignty of your crown, you must hereby relieve me of my command, and suspend my paladins from service. Jaina: Uther! He can't just-- Uther: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow him. The rest of you... get out of his sight. Arthas: I've just crossed a terrible threshold, Uther. Jaina: ...Arthas? Arthas: I'm sorry, Jaina. You can't watch me do this.
@@johndanes2294 leaving your pupil in such way is not good decision by a master ever Uther didnt listen too he simply said "I would never do such a thing" clearly. imagine uther and jaina followed arthas... do you think uther would let arthas to grab sword without beating arthas for a nice time? :D do you think jaina would let arthas to sink his own ships and doom his men?
You need to think more realisticly and turn off your Arthas fanboy mode He immediately called UTHER a traitor. Arthas was too selfish and too emotional
@@Immagonkowich he is proven him right! Arthas is pupil of Uther and crown prince lordareon! ABANDONING SUCH RESPONSIBILTY IS INDEED A TRAISON if you ask me. He didnt just abandon his pupil that he must make sure not doing someting stupid he abandoned his future kind at field of battle in anywere else he would be executed and named as traitor in history books
Arthas: Glad you could bake it, Uther. Uther: Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the waiter, but I'm still your superior as a chef. Arthas: As if I could forget. Listen, Uther, there's something about the cake you should know. Arthas: Oh no. It's too late. These muffins have all been overgrazed. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into paperweights. Uther: What? Arthas: This entire buffet must be purged. Uther: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way. Arthas: Damn it, Uther. As your future sous-chef I order you to purge this buffet. Uther: You are not my sous-chef yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command if you were! Arthas: Then I must consider this an act of work misconduct. Uther: Misconduct? Have you lost your mind, Arthas? Arthas: Have I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and sovereignty of my spatula, I hereby relieve you from your command and suspend your chefs from service. Jaina: Arthas, you can't just... Arthas: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this restaurant, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight. Uther: You've just crossed a terrible union, Arthas Arthas: Jaina? Jaina: I'm sorry, Arthas. I can't watch you cook this.
Arthas: Glad you could finish it, Uther. Uther: Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the technician, but I'm still your superior as a service director. Arthas: As if I could forget. Listen, Uther, there's something about the recall you should know. Arthas: Oh no. We're too late. These vehicles have all been defective. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into rolling death traps. Uther: What? Arthas: This entire lot must be scrapped. Uther: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way. Arthas: Damn it, Uther. As your future shop foreman I order you to scrap this lot. Uther: You are not my shop foreman yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command even if you were! Arthas: Then I must consider this an act of insubordination. Uther: Insubordination? Have you lost your mind, Arthas? Arthas: Have I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and sovereignty of my wrench, I hereby relieve you from your command and suspend your technicians from service. Jaina: Arthas, you can't just... Arthas: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this dealership, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight. Uther: You've just crossed a terrible partnership, Arthas. Arthas: Jaina? Jaina: I'm sorry, Arthas. I can't watch you fix this.
Arthas: Glad you could fix it, Uther. Uther: Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the technician, but I'm still your superior as a developer. Arthas: As if I could forget. Listen, Uther, there's something about the server you should know. Arthas: Oh no. It's too late. These files have all been corrupted. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into viruses. Uther: What? Arthas: This entire system must be purged. Uther: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way. Arthas: Damn it, Uther. As your future admin I order you to purge this server. Uther: You are not my administrator yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command if you were! Arthas: Then I must consider this an act of hacking. Uther: Hacking? Have you lost your mind, Arthas? Arthas: Have I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and sovereignty of my hardware, I hereby relieve you from your command and suspend your script kiddies from service. Jaina: Arthas, you can't just... Arthas: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this system, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight. Uther: You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Arthas.. Arthas: Jaina? Jaina: I'm sorry, Arthas. I can't watch you fix this.
@@Gadget-Walkmen To be fair, if Corona had a 100% death rate and raised you as a super human undead warrior, I would be the first to ask for purging at first sight
I was a kid when I first played this mission. I had no idea what the word "purge" meant. Then when I read the mission objectives and started playing I went "I don't feel good playing this."
Arthas reminds me Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars. Both of these characters were highly gifted, emotional, and could sacrifice anything to save others. Both had big fear inside and been manipulated by the evil to join the dark side. And at the same time, good lived inside each one. And both of them found peace before the death. These characters are definitely have much in common.
not just that, I genuinely think Arthas was a far better origin story of Anakin. If you look back at it seriously just considering the events, Arthas's story is quite tragic and it shows the fall of someone who held too much pride in himself despite being genuinely good at the start, because he was too young and too inexperienced to take on these responsibilities and pressure all at once, all of these things that have continuously wounded his pride throughout his hunt for Mal'Ganis.. This is something that if you stop to think about it, could be attributed greatly to his upbringing too, how much he'd been put on a pedestal, especially by his father, with the Wrath of the Lich King intro giving us one of his father's speeches to him when he was probably very young, basically telling him how, he's a gift from the heavens, which only ended up building up that pride in his name and existence and how much now, thinking back about it, he probably is thinking how despite all that has happened, his father was right in a way... He had become extremely powerful and taken his lessons to heart of how to exercise said power, but probably not in the way that his father would have wanted him to. The only thing there I don't like is the timegap between these story points.. Maybe there was some book, but fuck that noise, alternate media filling in these important story beats is never a good thing.
he did the right choice. he tried to lessen the casualities but jaina and uther want to be on high moral griund instead of helping arthas. he needed their support in that moment. but they left him alone.
Arthas did "nothing wrong" at Stratholme. Stratholme is beset by a magically poisoned grain that turns people to undead over time. Arthas is there realizing this. Uthor Pendragon shows up. Arthas: "Uthor. WE MUST MUUUUUUURDER EVERYONE HERE" Uthor: "What." Arthas: "MURDER EVEROYNE!!!!!" Uthor: "Why?" Arthas: "DON'T DEFY ME! DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD! KILL! KILL! MURDER! STAB!" Uthor: "No." Arthas: "THEN PISS OFF" Uthor heads off. Taking his army with him. Jain looks at this and goes: "Okay Arthas you're acting like a psycho moron, I'm off as well." So he looses, Uthor. Jaina. Uthor's army. He then takes his remaining forces and starts rampaging trough the streets, murdering every sick and also non sick civilian he can find. While ignoring the literal demon who has an army of undead and is also rampaging trough the streets, literally hastening the process of turning people into undead. So to summarize: He immediately seizes on a single solution without ever considering any alternative possibilities or even asking anyone else for advice. He literally fires his PALADIN. You know the holy warrior SPECIALIZED IN FIGHTING UNDEAD? The guy that would be ABSOLUTELY GREAT TO HAVE WITH YOU WHEN FIGHTIN UNDEAD, DEMONS, and a PLAGUE THAT TURNS PEOPLE INTO UNDEAD? The FIRST GUY you'd want to ASK SHIT ABOUT in regards to the UNDEAD CURSED DISEASE RAVAGING TROUGH THE CITY. He takes that guy and he FIRES HIM. He then alienates the MAGE PRODIGY who is his literal closes ally. The person that would be the most useful in figuring out the GODDAMNED MAGIC DISEASE that is ravaging trough the streets. He then proceeds to completely IGNORE THE GODDAMN FUCKING DEAMON in order to deal with the real threat: Low level, barely armed undead zombies and skeletons, and poisoned civilians. People actually looks at the above and they cannot comprehend anything he could have done different. There are large amounts of people who actually go 'Arthas did nothing wrong'. They can't imagine him asking the paladin - the literal anti undead holy warrior that has guided him since childhood - for advice. They can't imagine him even explaining the situation to that same paladin before firing him. They can't imagine him asking the damned mage prodigy for advice before deciding the murder everyone. They can't imagine him suggesting the possibility of identifying the non sick people and evacuating them before killing everybody. They cannot comprehend maybe you know, murdering the deamon and his horde first, as they are the bigger threat and they are literally hastening the progress of the disease and also ensuring anyone not afflicted by the poisoned grain also turn into undead. If Arthas had taking half a minute to explain the situation to Uthor and ask him and Jaina for advice he could have kept his two closest and most powerful allies next to him. And Uthor's knights. Half a fucking minute. If Arthas had asked for advice they could have figured out alternatives or at least actually considered alternatives before leaping on mass murder as the only real solution. If Arthas had attacked the demon army directly instead of running around playing murderhobo they could have bought themselves hours or days in which to save people. If Arthas had managed to actually save Stratholme or parts of it, it would have been a massive blow to the undead army trying to take over the country. Arthas did nothing right at Stratholme.
@@doncoyote68 I agree. Finally someone with common sense. Obviously its a story and all those acts were meant to bring arthas to his ultimate, innevitable destiny of becoming the lich king but his actions would never be justifiable in the real world.
He killed off his subjects which helps the Scourge anyway since they can still raise the corpses or enslave the ghosts if the bodies are burned by survivors (which happened in WC3). The Scourge does not need Stratholme at all by the time Arthas shows up and Mal'ganis is just putting on a show to both test him Arthas and lure Arthas to Northrend.
Notice how Arthas says "They've ALL been infected." Arthas was right, every single citizen inside Stratholme turned into the undead. There was not a single human in there (from there, not including Arthas and his soldiers) that didn't turn. When you play in warcraft 3, every house, every building, everyone Mal'ganis comes across too turns. There was only two options, let them turn and join the ranks of the undead army, or kill them now while they're still human/turning undead. People criticize Arthas a lot for what he did, but he refused to give up and did everything he could to save his land. (Till Frostmourne but that's a whole nother story.)
Jaina was just too pure, and Uther, what a fucking idiot. It's like when a Dad never gives his son what he wants when he's the one working harder at school.
On one hand, you're right. Purging the city was the logical choice. It would be senseless to let them turn into dangerous Scourge, especially since Arthas had just witnessed infected citizenry turn undead and attack the local garrison at Andorhal. On the other hand, rationalizing "evil" acts as being "for the greater good" was exactly what Mal'Ganis and the Lich King wanted Arthas to do. It was the first steps towards corrupting him to become the Lich King's favorite Death Knight. Uther doesn't know the bigger plot regarding the Lich King, but he does understand the downward slide this will trigger in Arthas. "You've just crossed a terrible threshold" indeed. Arthas's willingness to do everything he could to save his people is exactly what doomed his people, because the Lich King understood how easy he could manipulate Arthas that way. Frostmourne was just the final conclusion in a long series of falls, but Stratholme was the first.
Here is the real stinger, though: The scourge came later and raised all the dead people from Stratholme, creating a massive army. So even though Arthas thought he was saving the people and the kingdom, his efforts ended up fueling the scourge even more. That's what really gets me.
@@NotARussianDisinfoBot Stratholme was made to break Arthas, to play with his emotions and drive him to the lich king's side Old blizzard knew how to do thatk, new blizzard is utterly retarded.
@@XiyuYang We can't be so sure. While it is true Lich King is aiming for him, If Uther and Jaina keep in check about him then he will not fall. Most likely Lich King will have another man to get Arthas position.
@@DollRyougi the trailer has a different voice and so does the final product. It could be the same voice actor but the way he says this city must be purged is much more...aggressive in the true War 3
yeah and he will hunt xi jinping (mal'ganis) in china (northrend),only to be corrupted by chinese money (frostmourne),return to the usa (lordaeron),assassinate the president (king terenas),and release another biological weapon (plague) as he hears mao zedong's (lich king) voice,glory to the communists (scourge)!
Lord Arthas: How can you even consider Arthas? there most be some other Arthas. Prince Arthas: Damn it Arthas as you future Arthas i order you to purge this Arthas. Lord Arthas: You are not my Arthas yet Arthas nor would i obey that Arthas even if you were Arthas.
Sargeras: Glad you could make it, Aman'thul Aman'thul: Watch your tone with me boy. You may be champion, but I'm still your superior as a Titan. Sargeras: As if I could forget. Listen, there's something about the Old Gods you should know... Sargeras: Oh no. We're too late. These planets have all been infected. They may look fine now, but it's just a matter of time before they turn into tentacles! Aman'thul: What? Sargeras: This entire universe must be purged. Aman'thul: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way. Sargeras: Damn it, Aman'thul. As your champion, I order you to purge this universe. Aman'thul: You are not my better yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command even if you were. Sargeras: Then I must consider this an act of treason. Aman'thul: Treason? Have you lost your mind, Sargeras? Sargeras: Have I? Aman'thul, by my right of sheer badassery, I hereby relieve you of your command and suspend your titans from service. Eonar: Sargeras, you can't just... Sargeras. It is done! Those of you who have the will to save this universe, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight! Aman'thul: You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Sargeras. Sargeras: Eonar? Eonar: I'm sorry, Sargeras. I can't watch you do this.
If Arthas had sailed to Kalimdor like Medivh instructed he wouldn't turn into a death knight and would be a valuable asset to the Alliance, not to mention that all those people he slaughtered would also join the side of the Alliance. The high elves wouldn't side with the horde or rely on demonic magic to keep surviving, and undead Sylvanas wouldn't exist. Of course, the plot need those shenanigans to be more interesting, but nevertheless Arthas egomaniacal behavior created a shitton of problems and enemies to the Alliance, the battle of mount Hyjal was much harder, lots of sacrifices had to be made to kill Archimonde, and the most annoying person of Warcraft universe was created: undead Sylvanas. The character "development" of Sylvanas alone shows that it was a very bad decision.
arthas fled to kalimdor. uther and the paladins fled to kalimdor. king terenas fled to kalimdor. sunstriders fled to kalimdor. sylvanas fled to kalimdor. antonidas and the kirin tor fled to kalimdor. grom didn't kill cenarius. yeah it would be an easier battle of mount hyjal. the only problem here is that it would be harder to convince (even if your medivh the prophet) the older human characters who have saw the first and second wars (ex. uther) to side with the orcs while younger generations of leaders and heroes such as jaina (even she's reluctant as well) were easier to convince by the prophet as they were more liberal and open-minded (in contrast with her father,admiral daelin,whose son derek died under the orcs' hands during the previous war). can you imagine arthas,uther (both fought the blacrock clan in-game so there would be obvious orc hatred),and king terenas cooperating with orcs in mount hyjal?
Pretty much Arthas' plot in WC3 is that he was selected as a general since fit the profile and actually doesn't really care about his subjects beyond them being his property as king he murder whenever he bothers to.
"Hello there, Master Uther. I take it Mal'ganis has been destroyed then. I must say you're here sooner than expected." "Take a seat, young Menethil. You are the Prince, but you are NOT granted the rank of my superior as a Paladin." "This is outrageous. It's UNFAIR! From my point of view, this entire city must be purged." "Arthas, my allegiance is to Lordaeron, to THE LIGHT!" "Damn it, Uther! Execute Order 66! I AM your future king!" "Not. Yet." "... It's treason, then." *autistic Light-powered spin* "So uncivilised. I will do what I must." "Don't lecture me, Uther! I've seen through the lies of the Paladins! I do not fear the undead as you do!" "Arthas, you're going down a path I can't follow!" "In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the Order of the Silver Hand wil be suspended from service!" "... Only a Death Knight deals in absolutes." "Jaina? The Paladins turned against me, don't you turn against me! " "I'm sorry, Arthas. You're breaking my heart."
Uther: There must be some other way! .... that somebody else will have to figure out. Byeeeee! Jaina: Wait for me! Arthas: I can't wait to kill at least one of you ....
Am I the only one who thinks that purging Stratholme was the right choice? It was pretty much the only way to stop the plague from spreading. After all, Arthas only killed those who were infected, and they already turned into undead by the time he got there.
No you're not. He actually did a good thing here. If he hadn't acted Stratholme would have become an undead bastion. Even his enemy praised him for stopping them. It was his comrades Jaina and Uther who abandoned him forcing Arthas to become even more radical. Arthas realized how dire the situation was and was willing to do the necessary evil to save his land. Going to Northrend was a mistake though. He had doomed himself and his entire expedition.
@@hazzmati yeah, look at stratholme in wow, Arthas surely did a "right" thing Stop being such an Arthas fanboy. He was WRONG, Uther even said "there must be some other way" but Arthas wouldn't listen and just immediately called him a traitor. Arthas was a selfish man
Immagonko except there was no other way, there was no cure. Arthas stopped the undead. Even medhiv acknowledged that “The dead in this land might lie still for the time being”. And the state of stratholme had more to do with arthas arthas becoming a DK and killing his king and finishing off his countrymen.
@@hazzmati the culling was a part of LK manipulation and Arthas surely got hooked on it Had he not listened to his ego and won't go for the purge the whole LK thing would've been avoided Arthas did not stopped the undead, he boosted their ranks and Stratholme become a city of the scourge
@@hazzmati all I'm saying LK planned all of this beforehand and knew Arthas would play his role, he knew he had short temper and him being selfish and emotional only helped the LK. Uther and Jaina did not knew about LK but it's just that gut feeling that tells you that you shouldn't do it, and they turned out to be right
Uther just put his paladin duty over common, practical sense. Besides, he wasn't a prince like Arthas so he didn't feel a weight of responsibility. As for Jaina, note that she didn't protest like Uther and only said that she "can't watch" killings. My bet is she agreed with Arthas' method but hadn't guts to execute it.
Fontaami But think about Uther’s and Jaina’s point of view, Arthas is telling them to purge an entire city of people who don’t even know they’re infected. Uther is shcoked at Arthas how he could consider purging to be the first option in his mind, Uther even points out “There’s got to be some other way” (maybe quarantining the city) but Arthas ignores him and demands Uther follow his command and tries to strip him of his rank just because he refuses. It was a tough choice, and you can’t blame Uther and Jaina not wanting to do so, killing innocents is a dreadful thing, even if it’s for the good of the realm. Arthas may have been right about purging the city to contain the plague, but Arthas also played a role in driving away Uther and Jaina from supporting him in his action.
No Uther just knew what happens to those that are willing to kill (in that case still) innocent people. It get's you to the dark side, hence why he said: "you crossed a terrible treshold" Uther is a Paladin per excellance ofc he would try to find another way first, especially if you don't have a clue about the final outcome...
"But arthas was right, if he didnt purge the city the plague would have spread further and gone out of control" but that did happen in the end... the entire country became the plaguelands. i think you missed the point of the cutscene.
Everyone on about how Arthas was right but not acknowleding Uther was the rightest anyones ever been when he said Arthas just crossed a terrible threshold.
The point is that Mal’Ganis made Arthas believe this was the only option. I still have a sneaking suspicion however that the infected grain was impossible to stop at that time in the story to provide some kind of antidote. Were that true, then maybe Uther himself was in the wrong… even after all these years I have never heard of a story once someone became undead or awakened forsaken to recover and come back wholly with their body.
Arthas:Glad you could bake it,Uther. Uther:Watch your tone with me boy,you may be the waiter but I’m still your superior as a chef. Arthas:As if I could forgetti.Listen Uther,there’s something about the plauguette you should knead. Arthas:Oh no.We’re too late.These peopleronni have all be infectedanana.They may look al dente now,but it’s just a matter of thyme before they turn into the undeadible. Uther:What? Arthas:This entire citronella must be peeled. Uther: How can you even cook that?There’s got to be some other whey. Arthas:Damn it Umami!As your future chef,I order you to broil this city Umami:You are not my chef yet, boyardee. Nor would I obey that command if you were. Arthas:Then I must consider this an act of seasoning. Umami:Seasoning? Have you sauced you mince,Arthas? Arthas:Have I? Lord Umami,by my right of succession and sovereignty of my crown of roast pork, I hereby rehydrate you from your commandard and suspenderoni you it pepperoni from service. Jaina: Arthas you can’t just… *Ding* Arthas:It’s done!For those of you who have the will to taste this flan, follow me.The rest of you… get out of my kitchen. Umami:You just tossed a terrible salad,Arthas. Arthas:Jaina? Jaina:I’m sorry Arthas… I can’t watch you cook this.
"Мама, я актёр" начальный набор. Честно сказать, был сильно удивлён, услышав английское озвучание. Думал, что уж если у нас эмоций много, что как влитой во всех событиях, то уж сами-то...а тут - камень, старый пень и бревно беседуют.
@@Immagonko People like you are braindead, its pretty fuckin clear he did that while he was under the influence of frostmourne and the lich king, it wasnt his normal self
Following this, Arthas was then captured and sent to Coffee Stain's high-security jail. His handsomeness had to be contained. ua-cam.com/video/prk2nk8DRu0/v-deo.htmlsi=Nx35za-IWEyMdLO-
Tumblr: Glad you could make it, twitter... Twitter: Watch your tone with me, boy, you may be higher up, but i'm still your superior as a social media site! Tumblr: As I could forget, listen twitter, there is something about nipples you need to know.. Oh no...We're too late, all of these people have posted lewd stuff... This entire website must be purged... Twitter: HOW COULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER THAT!? There must be some other way.... Tumblr: Dammit twitter! As your future social media lord! I order you to purge this account! Twitter: You are not my lord yet tumblr, nor would I obey that command even if you were! Tumblr: Then I must consider this...An act of harassment... Twitter: HARASSMENT!? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND TUMBLR!? Tumblr: Have I? TWITTER! BY MY RIGHT AS SOCIAL MEDIA LORD! I HEREBY RELIEVE YOUR ADMIN PRIVELIGES AND SUSPEND YOUR ACCOUNT! Facebook: Tumblr, you can't just... Tumblr: IT'S DONE! THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE THE WILL TO SAVE THIS WEBSITE! FOLLOW ME! The rest of you?...Get out of my Website... Twitter: You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Tumblr... Tumblr: Face book? Facebook: I'm sorry tumblr, I can't watch you do this....I got banned for having mario with nipples on my account's pictures....
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*Uther the Lightbringer:* In the name of the Knights of the Silver Hand... you're under arrest, prince.
*Arthas:* Are you threatening me, paladin?
*Uther the Lightbringer:* The King will decide your fate.
*Arthas:* I AM the king.
*Uther the Lightbringer:* Not yet.
*Arthas:* It's treason then.
TY! Was waiting for SOMEONE to see the similarity.
General Kenobi!
On a semi-related note, Prince Arthas is basically the Darth Vader transformation arc we all wanted and never got.
Edit: So I just watched The Clone Wars series...
@@NyscanRohid the Darth Vader angle is obvious, but - in a way more obvious because of the name - he is also an inversion of the Arthurian myth
@@Laotzu.Goldbug Yes! Interstingly enough, Uther Pendragon is Arthur's Father and it was rumoured that he would return from another world after receiving a deadly wound to rule over his people once again, just like he returned from Northrend as an undad to rule over Lordaeron. Frostmourne also is similar to Excalibur as both were embed in a rock piedestral.
Been seeing some weird warcraft cutscenes on yt lately, so I expected for this to have some twist lol
Arthas: This entire city must be purged.
Uther: How about we just set up a quarantine and keep Mal'ganis away from stratholme's people until our healers rid them of the plague?
Arthas: Ehm... well.. that could also be a solution..
*good ending unlocked*
Good thinking, but it wouldn't work. The plague that is a vector for Undeath would literally turn people overnight - if you leave them be, in the mission, they still turn into Zombies.
@@hallowedbeyourdays It would work. Like what you say, it's a plague, it's not like a bite that would turn you into a zombie in just minutes, it's a plagued grain that when consumed, would turn you into a zombie within a day (though the process would take many hours).
They could have set up barricades, outposts, guards, and alert systems everywhere. Villagers will be ordered to stay in their homes, giving them weapons if their relatives turn into zombies inside their households.
The disaster in Hearthglen occurred because the defenders in the town were just Arthas' personal troops. Uther learned his lesson and he accompanied Arthas in his next mission, only to leave when he knew Arthas' plan was basically to slaughter everyone else in the city.
With the Silver Hand on Arthas' back now, the quarantine wouldn't have been easily overrun. I mean Uther's troops just liberated a Hearthglen literally surrounded by the Scourge.
Alienating Jaina didn't help as well, the woman had close connections with the Kirin Tor and she could have easily teleported curious wizards from Dalaran to Stratholme so the quarantine could have been implemented better and the plague could have been studied deeper.
Of course Arthas' was a man of good intentions but he always want it to get it "his way," sidelining the viewpoints and expertise of Uther and Jaina. And clearly doing the opposite of the Alliance's main value: teamwork. Yes, collective decision-making is long process but it's the main reason why the Alliance won the Second War. Sure Stratholme can fall, Lordaeron can fall but humans can retreat, can think, can plan, can launch new offensives/counterattacks/crusade to retake Lordaeron. That's the same logic during the First War, Stormwind, having no desperate measure man like Arthas to lead them, quickly fell to the Horde but Stormwind was retaken after the Second War (though it took them long and many lives were lost).
Also the Alliance was already unifying when the plague started, the isolated kingdom of Quel'Thalas began sending their elven priests and sorceresses. The kingdoms of Gilneas and Stromgarde who left the Alliance after the Second War, sent their battlegroups to aid in Jaina's expedition to Kalimdor.
Arthas had everything that he needed to defeat the undead but he literally alienated ALMOST EVERYONE OF THEM, from Jaina and Uther up to Muradin (that really hurted the feelings of the Bronzebeard royal family in Ironforge).
Also he was very stup¡d 🤣🤣🤣, he didn't entirely clean up his mess, it's the Stratholme's survivors who burned the corpse, not him (they could reanimate as skeleton warriors).
@@TimeMakerDotPH My brother in Christ, we the player watch them zombify before our eyes.
And the rest of this comment you seem to have gone spiralling onto, for no reason discernible to me... look man, you are aware Ner'zhul and Frostmourne were poisoning Arthas's mind long before he so much as arrived at dealing with the Blackrock clan, on whom Uther commented were bringing the same old rhetoric?
@@hallowedbeyourdays but as the level designer I think for the culling? (Can be wrong @.@) pointed out, to anybody especially who played wc3 on hard, Dalaran and the high elves put up some decent fight prior hand, even with Lordaeron completely combusted, if arthas rallied everybody, things may not have escalated to the point where archimond was able to be summoned.
@@celeb-seventeen To the best of my recollection, the Burning Legion's return was nothing to do with what the Lich King did. Archimonde used undead servants to mine gold and harvest timber, but the army was all demonic, not undead on its own.
Arthas may have crunched a lot of people who could have weighed in a lot to the defense of the World Tree in Kalimdor, but the Undead Scourge weren't a crippling mechanism for the Burning Legion; at the hand of the ones who became Kaldorei night elves the Legion may have been defeated once already by Azeroth's defenders, but the Legion prefers to win with mass, not class. Strategically speaking if the Plague was a bioweapon used with intent then it was massive success to the Legion's eyes, who hurled the Throne at the planet to begin with.
Tbh I don't understand what was in Jaina's mind??? I can a bit emphatize with Uther as he maybe still at disbelief or doesn't understood the situation completely. But Jaina?? She is there when the whole plagued grain was and she knows about the Cult of the Damned wish. And didn't tell anyone?????
No since killing off Stratholme doesn't impede the Scourge in any meaningful way. They don't need intact corpses to make more troops (see Abominations) or even corpses at all even (see Banshees and Shades).
@@galten7361 killing off stratholme will at least hold off the situation for a bit. The more dead you have the stronger ranks you will get. And not mention these undeads can walk and kill with easy access if Stratholme truly falls to their hand.
@th3ra83 Go show where it says that the Scourge needed Stratholme at all beyond spreading plagued grain (which wouldn't be needed once Arthas arrived). And the Scourge again don't even need corpses to get more troops. As long as they can raise the dead with no losses in Necromancers and Nathrezim and Liches and whoever else can use Necromantic magic combined with continuing to use cauldrons and spreading plagued food they can keep on running around Lordaeron killing off citizens and raising graveyards.
They doomed Lorderon LUL
Reforge real sick! That game realy good!
Arthas: If You're not with me, then you're my enemy
Uther: Only a Lich deals in Absolute
I will do what I must
@@khai96x
You will try...
**Intense hammer wielding*
@@dwikyilhamsyah8893 Arthas, the Lich King is evil!
@@khai96x From my point of view, the Paladins are evil!
@@Balnazzardi well then you are lost!
Dialogue is so god damn amazing
I think what always gets me about this scene is that Arthas was right, but he was so blinded by rage that he wasn't able to vocalize that there really wasn't any other option. That and the "purity" of Uther leaves him completely unequipped to handle these gray situations.
@@Trufflemonk okay bud....
Not really. In WC3 lore the plague is not spread by the undead but through necromancy or necromantic enchanted objects (including food). Arthas killing off his own subjects indisriminately doesn't impede the Scourge in any notable way and more importantly is what Ner'zhul is counting on as a test.
@@galten7361 I always thought they could've just quarantined the city by just locking the gates and killing anything that leaves but know that I understand more about how sieges go, its extremely likely that a lot of people turned undead would just be able to escape anyways
I believe that this was the Lich King's first influence hiding in plain sight, whispering to Arthas bit by bit and slowly influencing Arthas' ruthlessness into the ways of the Dark to the point where Jaina and Uther were too naive to see that this wasn't something "Arthas" is supposed to say randomly. The Lich King's plan was perfect, in timing and in picking a Champion.
@@galten7361 "the plague is not spread by the undead but through necromancy or necromantic enchanted objects (including food). Arthas killing off his own subjects indisriminately doesn't impede the Scourge in any notable way"
I kinda disagree.
The people of Stratholme are contaminated hence they WILL turn to undead, there are no way, AFAIK, to prevent it. Therefore even if they do not contaminate other people as the plague spread though necromancy and not from contamination, that's another front to deal with. Indeed, the undead not contaminating other people does not mean they are not a threat, you still have to deal with them. In this case, going further and leaving Stratholme as it is means you leave a small army of undead behind you. Worst thing is that they are undead so they don't depend on a chain of supply.
Basicaly, that means there is a small army that can flank you, disturb your own chain of supply, etc.
So, granting that my understanding is correct that is there are no way to cure those people, only two options are available :
1° kill them now and move one to the next task
2° don't kill them now but then they will die anyway and you have to deal with a small army behind your back
In both scenarios, those people die but in one of them you deal with the threat quickly and with minimum ressources and loss, on the other, you are still facing a threat and will have to spend ressources and time to deal with it and will potentialy suffer many losses.
Honestly, I can see how one in his right mind would not choose Arthas' solution.
Uther: Glad I could make it, Arthas.
Arthas: I watch my tone with you, old man. I may be the prince, but you're still my superior as a paladin.
Uther: As if you could forget. Yes Arthas, there's something about the plague I should know. ...Oh no, it's already begun. These people may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they turn into the Undead!
Arthas: What?!
Uther: This entire city must be purged.
Arthas: How can I even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Uther: Damn it, Arthas! As my future king, order me to purge this city!
Arthas: I am not your king yet, old man. Nor should you obey that command even if I were.
Uther: Then you must consider this an act of treason.
Arthas: Treason?! Have I lost my mind, Uther?
Uther: Have you? Prince Arthas, by right of succession and the sovereignty of your crown, you must hereby relieve me of my command, and suspend my paladins from service.
Jaina: Uther! He can't just--
Uther: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow him. The rest of you... get out of his sight.
Arthas: I've just crossed a terrible threshold, Uther.
Jaina: ...Arthas?
Arthas: I'm sorry, Jaina. You can't watch me do this.
The best! hahaha
political bullshit
dank comment
Uther travel to the past and use reverse psychology
xD best scenario
And that boys and girls is how Uther the lightbringer and Jaina Proudmore doomed the Kingdom of Lorderon
Jaina is a dreadlord, after all
Well maybe if Arthas actually took the time to explain to Uther what was happening, then maybe we wouldn't have this problem in the first place
@@johndanes2294 leaving your pupil in such way is not good decision by a master ever
Uther didnt listen too he simply said "I would never do such a thing" clearly.
imagine uther and jaina followed arthas... do you think uther would let arthas to grab sword without beating arthas for a nice time? :D
do you think jaina would let arthas to sink his own ships and doom his men?
You need to think more realisticly and turn off your Arthas fanboy mode
He immediately called UTHER a traitor. Arthas was too selfish and too emotional
@@Immagonkowich he is proven him right! Arthas is pupil of Uther and crown prince lordareon! ABANDONING SUCH RESPONSIBILTY IS INDEED A TRAISON if you ask me. He didnt just abandon his pupil that he must make sure not doing someting stupid he abandoned his future kind at field of battle
in anywere else he would be executed and named as traitor in history books
Arthas: Glad you could bake it, Uther.
Uther: Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the waiter, but I'm still your superior as a chef.
Arthas: As if I could forget. Listen, Uther, there's something about the cake you should know.
Arthas: Oh no. It's too late. These muffins have all been overgrazed. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into paperweights.
Uther: What?
Arthas: This entire buffet must be purged.
Uther: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Arthas: Damn it, Uther. As your future sous-chef I order you to purge this buffet.
Uther: You are not my sous-chef yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command if you were!
Arthas: Then I must consider this an act of work misconduct.
Uther: Misconduct? Have you lost your mind, Arthas?
Arthas: Have I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and sovereignty of my spatula, I hereby relieve you from your command and suspend your chefs from service.
Jaina: Arthas, you can't just...
Arthas: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this restaurant, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight.
Uther: You've just crossed a terrible union, Arthas
Arthas: Jaina?
Jaina: I'm sorry, Arthas. I can't watch you cook this.
+Sert Filzon NAILED IT :D :D :D
Arthas: Glad you could finish it, Uther.
Uther: Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the technician, but I'm still your superior as a service director.
Arthas: As if I could forget. Listen, Uther, there's something about the recall you should know.
Arthas: Oh no. We're too late. These vehicles have all been defective. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into rolling death traps.
Uther: What?
Arthas: This entire lot must be scrapped.
Uther: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Arthas: Damn it, Uther. As your future shop foreman I order you to scrap this lot.
Uther: You are not my shop foreman yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command even if you were!
Arthas: Then I must consider this an act of insubordination.
Uther: Insubordination? Have you lost your mind, Arthas?
Arthas: Have I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and sovereignty of my wrench, I hereby relieve you from your command and suspend your technicians from service.
Jaina: Arthas, you can't just...
Arthas: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this dealership, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight.
Uther: You've just crossed a terrible partnership, Arthas.
Arthas: Jaina?
Jaina: I'm sorry, Arthas. I can't watch you fix this.
Arthas: Glad you could fix it, Uther.
Uther: Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the technician, but I'm
still your superior as a developer.
Arthas: As if I could forget. Listen, Uther, there's something about the
server you should know.
Arthas: Oh no. It's too late. These files have all been corrupted.
They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into
viruses.
Uther: What?
Arthas: This entire system must be purged.
Uther: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Arthas: Damn it, Uther. As your future admin I order you to purge
this server.
Uther: You are not my administrator yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command
if you were!
Arthas: Then I must consider this an act of hacking.
Uther: Hacking? Have you lost your mind, Arthas?
Arthas: Have I? Lord Uther, by my right of succession and sovereignty of
my hardware, I hereby relieve you from your command and suspend your
script kiddies from service.
Jaina: Arthas, you can't just...
Arthas: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this
system, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight.
Uther: You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Arthas..
Arthas: Jaina?
Jaina: I'm sorry, Arthas. I can't watch you fix this.
Holy crap, this is fucking hilarious
it's been a while since I laughed this hard :D
Corona Virus in Wuhan: exist
Arthas: This entire city must be purged!
Corona Virus in Wuhan: exist
Winnie the pooh: This entire city must be purged!
How can you even consider that!? There's got to be some other way!
@@EyeStorrm Chinese government would most likely do that for real.
@@EyeStorrm winnie the pooh: Hmm, send them on a vacation to other countries
@@Gadget-Walkmen To be fair, if Corona had a 100% death rate and raised you as a super human undead warrior, I would be the first to ask for purging at first sight
I was a kid when I first played this mission. I had no idea what the word "purge" meant. Then when I read the mission objectives and started playing I went "I don't feel good playing this."
did you felt good when you actually saw the inhabitants turnign into fucking undead?
"Mr. Menethil, I don't feel so good."
It's fine. Just imagine you're Anakin walking into a room full of Jedi younglings.
@@khai96x Hahaha!!! LOL
Oh my goodness, I’m so sorry! It’s just a game, sure, but that sounds very uncomfortable to play through as a kid.
Wuhan, China 2020 0:41
Way I see it, I did nothing wrong.
arthas 2024,make lordaeron great again!
Arthas : Glad you could make it, Arthas.
Arthas : Watch your tone with me, Arthas. You may be Arthas, but i'm still your Superior as a Arthas.
This gives me "The Isaac of Isaac" vibes
You reffering to Arthas the Arthas of the Lich Arthas?
Arthas: Arthas?
Arthas: Im sorry Arthas. I cant watch me do this.
Refunded will never be as perfect as W3ROC was.
1:04 one footman is so shocked he flys away
It's a bird
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola it's a plane !
@@mr.v6052 It's superman!
But no, that's actually a bird
@@NiCoNiCoNiColaLook, up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's me!
Arthas reminds me Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars. Both of these characters were highly gifted, emotional, and could sacrifice anything to save others.
Both had big fear inside and been manipulated by the evil to join the dark side.
And at the same time, good lived inside each one. And both of them found peace before the death.
These characters are definitely have much in common.
Peace? Uther cast Arthas' soul into the Maw
@@mahendrakrisnamurti9599 the comment was clearly before shadowlands
@@mahendrakrisnamurti9599 We don't talk about that shithole that is Shadowlands.
not just that, I genuinely think Arthas was a far better origin story of Anakin.
If you look back at it seriously just considering the events, Arthas's story is quite tragic and it shows the fall of someone who held too much pride in himself despite being genuinely good at the start, because he was too young and too inexperienced to take on these responsibilities and pressure all at once, all of these things that have continuously wounded his pride throughout his hunt for Mal'Ganis..
This is something that if you stop to think about it, could be attributed greatly to his upbringing too, how much he'd been put on a pedestal, especially by his father, with the Wrath of the Lich King intro giving us one of his father's speeches to him when he was probably very young, basically telling him how, he's a gift from the heavens, which only ended up building up that pride in his name and existence and how much now, thinking back about it, he probably is thinking how despite all that has happened, his father was right in a way... He had become extremely powerful and taken his lessons to heart of how to exercise said power, but probably not in the way that his father would have wanted him to.
The only thing there I don't like is the timegap between these story points.. Maybe there was some book, but fuck that noise, alternate media filling in these important story beats is never a good thing.
Both are white too. It is funny how white people get away with genocide. It must be white privilege
And he was right after all
bernalseba Edgy but you do you
@@XiyuYang well not really, the guy is right, the action is rash and not a great thing to do, but it's just a hard true
@@XiyuYang in lore prespective he's right tho. If he didn't kill those villager they'll join the undead.
@@zikriflanery7030 killing them, letting them turn. It was a lose lose front for the humans, that is why Mediev said to go to kalimdor.
He basically became lich king after this, so probably not
This is one of those scenes that will never be forgotten
Blizzard activision must purged
After Diablo Immortal, Hong Kong controversy and Warcraft 3: Reforged fail
"This entire company must be purged"
Warcraft reforged is perfectly fine.
@@sidiksurat1878 yes that is why it has lowest user rating on Metacritic of all time. wArCrafT ReFoRgED iS FiNe.
@@sidiksurat1878 lmao
“How can you even consider that?! There’s got to be some other way!”
Ah, the good old days when the worst we had to expect from Blizzard was shameless money-grubbing and not raping its employees.
THEY SHOULD HAVE LISTENED
Sure, look at Arthas and Stratholme now! They are perfectly fine!
@@Immagonko 😂😂😂😂😂
@Schnbl they was infected
@@Immagonko maybe if uther had helped stratholme would be in better shape.
@@lenkagamine4145 maybe if Arthas wouldn't be such an egoistic jerk
I'm still amazed that 11 years old me, who didn't know shit of English, was able to follow the entire plot.
Why didn't you play localized version?
@@HeavySandvichGuy1 I borrowed the disk and it was the very first game I've ever played on computer... After Age of Mythology 2.
@@sirbruno95 Age of mythology what now ?!
he did the right choice. he tried to lessen the casualities but jaina and uther want to be on high moral griund instead of helping arthas. he needed their support in that moment. but they left him alone.
Arthas did "nothing wrong" at Stratholme.
Stratholme is beset by a magically poisoned grain that turns people to undead over time.
Arthas is there realizing this.
Uthor Pendragon shows up.
Arthas: "Uthor. WE MUST MUUUUUUURDER EVERYONE HERE"
Uthor: "What."
Arthas: "MURDER EVEROYNE!!!!!"
Uthor: "Why?"
Arthas: "DON'T DEFY ME! DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD! KILL! KILL! MURDER! STAB!"
Uthor: "No."
Arthas: "THEN PISS OFF"
Uthor heads off. Taking his army with him.
Jain looks at this and goes:
"Okay Arthas you're acting like a psycho moron, I'm off as well."
So he looses, Uthor. Jaina. Uthor's army.
He then takes his remaining forces and starts rampaging trough the streets, murdering every sick and also non sick civilian he can find.
While ignoring the literal demon who has an army of undead and is also rampaging trough the streets, literally hastening the process of turning people into undead.
So to summarize:
He immediately seizes on a single solution without ever considering any alternative possibilities or even asking anyone else for advice.
He literally fires his PALADIN. You know the holy warrior SPECIALIZED IN FIGHTING UNDEAD?
The guy that would be ABSOLUTELY GREAT TO HAVE WITH YOU WHEN FIGHTIN UNDEAD, DEMONS, and a PLAGUE THAT TURNS PEOPLE INTO UNDEAD?
The FIRST GUY you'd want to ASK SHIT ABOUT in regards to the UNDEAD CURSED DISEASE RAVAGING TROUGH THE CITY.
He takes that guy and he FIRES HIM.
He then alienates the MAGE PRODIGY who is his literal closes ally. The person that would be the most useful in figuring out the GODDAMNED MAGIC DISEASE that is ravaging trough the streets.
He then proceeds to completely IGNORE THE GODDAMN FUCKING DEAMON in order to deal with the real threat: Low level, barely armed undead zombies and skeletons, and poisoned civilians.
People actually looks at the above and they cannot comprehend anything he could have done different. There are large amounts of people who actually go 'Arthas did nothing wrong'.
They can't imagine him asking the paladin - the literal anti undead holy warrior that has guided him since childhood - for advice.
They can't imagine him even explaining the situation to that same paladin before firing him.
They can't imagine him asking the damned mage prodigy for advice before deciding the murder everyone.
They can't imagine him suggesting the possibility of identifying the non sick people and evacuating them before killing everybody.
They cannot comprehend maybe you know, murdering the deamon and his horde first, as they are the bigger threat and they are literally hastening the progress of the disease and also ensuring anyone not afflicted by the poisoned grain also turn into undead.
If Arthas had taking half a minute to explain the situation to Uthor and ask him and Jaina for advice he could have kept his two closest and most powerful allies next to him. And Uthor's knights.
Half a fucking minute.
If Arthas had asked for advice they could have figured out alternatives or at least actually considered alternatives before leaping on mass murder as the only real solution.
If Arthas had attacked the demon army directly instead of running around playing murderhobo they could have bought themselves hours or days in which to save people.
If Arthas had managed to actually save Stratholme or parts of it, it would have been a massive blow to the undead army trying to take over the country.
Arthas did nothing right at Stratholme.
@@doncoyote68 I agree. Finally someone with common sense. Obviously its a story and all those acts were meant to bring arthas to his ultimate, innevitable destiny of becoming the lich king but his actions would never be justifiable in the real world.
@@The86Ripper cope
@@doncoyote68 cope more soyboy
He killed off his subjects which helps the Scourge anyway since they can still raise the corpses or enslave the ghosts if the bodies are burned by survivors (which happened in WC3). The Scourge does not need Stratholme at all by the time Arthas shows up and Mal'ganis is just putting on a show to both test him Arthas and lure Arthas to Northrend.
Who else is here to look at how this almost 20 year old cinematic is still MILES ahead of Reforged?
Xi Jinping arriving in Wuhan.
Uther: You are not my King yet boy! Nor would I obey that command even if you were!
Arthas: It's treason then.
*Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrghhhhhyes*
*If you will not serve in combat, then you will serve in the firing line!*
You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Lich, not join him! Bring balance to the light!
Notice how Arthas says "They've ALL been infected."
Arthas was right, every single citizen inside Stratholme turned into the undead. There was not a single human in there (from there, not including Arthas and his soldiers) that didn't turn.
When you play in warcraft 3, every house, every building, everyone Mal'ganis comes across too turns. There was only two options, let them turn and join the ranks of the undead army, or kill them now while they're still human/turning undead. People criticize Arthas a lot for what he did, but he refused to give up and did everything he could to save his land. (Till Frostmourne but that's a whole nother story.)
Jaina was just too pure, and Uther, what a fucking idiot. It's like when a Dad never gives his son what he wants when he's the one working harder at school.
u probably forget that in the aftermath cutsence, u can see normal citizens dumping dead body
On one hand, you're right. Purging the city was the logical choice. It would be senseless to let them turn into dangerous Scourge, especially since Arthas had just witnessed infected citizenry turn undead and attack the local garrison at Andorhal. On the other hand, rationalizing "evil" acts as being "for the greater good" was exactly what Mal'Ganis and the Lich King wanted Arthas to do. It was the first steps towards corrupting him to become the Lich King's favorite Death Knight. Uther doesn't know the bigger plot regarding the Lich King, but he does understand the downward slide this will trigger in Arthas. "You've just crossed a terrible threshold" indeed. Arthas's willingness to do everything he could to save his people is exactly what doomed his people, because the Lich King understood how easy he could manipulate Arthas that way. Frostmourne was just the final conclusion in a long series of falls, but Stratholme was the first.
Here is the real stinger, though: The scourge came later and raised all the dead people from Stratholme, creating a massive army. So even though Arthas thought he was saving the people and the kingdom, his efforts ended up fueling the scourge even more. That's what really gets me.
@@NotARussianDisinfoBot Stratholme was made to break Arthas, to play with his emotions and drive him to the lich king's side
Old blizzard knew how to do thatk, new blizzard is utterly retarded.
1:02 *Random footman runs by at lightspeed* lol
You mean the.. bird?
Man, if Jaina and Uther helped Arthas, lot of mess could've been potentially averted or at least lessened.
Nah Arthas will fall one way or another, he has been the Lich King's goal since he was born. Nothing Uther and Jaina do will change that.
@@XiyuYang cope
If Arthas wouldn't be such a selfish man, everything would be better
stannis /fewer
@@XiyuYang We can't be so sure. While it is true Lich King is aiming for him, If Uther and Jaina keep in check about him then he will not fall. Most likely Lich King will have another man to get Arthas position.
Arthas did nothing wrong.
JUSTIFIED
Still better than the reforged version
Wuhan, China's pretty nervous watching this right now
This voice acting was so much better then their shitty remake attempt. Must be the effects they did.
what ? reforged has exact same voice they didn't change
@@DollRyougi the trailer has a different voice and so does the final product.
It could be the same voice actor but the way he says this city must be purged is much more...aggressive in the true War 3
holy crap, this game is 15 years old
17*
for a game that so old, these graphics were pretty good
@@ファン百合 more than just being good in a technical sense, they are recognisable and readable. And the connotation with a legendary series of games helps
22 years old now
0:41 transition from paladin Arthas voice to Deathknight Arthas FOR 6 seconds🤣🤣🤣
So much awful shit wouldn't have happened if Uther and Jaina had just trusted he had a good reason and listened to Arthas and killed those citizens.
"Arthas has no responsibility for his actions as a Death Knight and he was forced to defy his king rather than turn himself in for judgement"
The rest of you... get out of my lawn
If ARthas would be live in our country, he will resolve problem with CoronaVirus very quickly!
Only to end up arrested and thrown in prison for multiple counts of first degree murder
yeah and he will hunt xi jinping (mal'ganis) in china (northrend),only to be corrupted by chinese money (frostmourne),return to the usa (lordaeron),assassinate the president (king terenas),and release another biological weapon (plague) as he hears mao zedong's (lich king) voice,glory to the communists (scourge)!
ПРОКЛЯТЬЕ, УТЕР
1:04
WTF
+Nilithic lmfao
That's Arthas PoV, he indeed lost his mind
It's Medivh, just flying across Arthas' vision like "FUCK"
Maybe this was the wrong thing to do as a Paladin. But it was the proper act of a King
ПРОКЛЯТЬЕ УТЕР!
Lord Arthas: How can you even consider Arthas? there most be some other Arthas.
Prince Arthas: Damn it Arthas as you future Arthas i order you to purge this Arthas.
Lord Arthas: You are not my Arthas yet Arthas nor would i obey that Arthas even if you were Arthas.
arthas did nothing wrong
Imagine being in 2004 2005 and play this game ( good old times).
лишь сравнив эти сцены на разных языках можно понять, почему варкрафт 3 признан одной из самых лучших русских локализаций. Вечная память Вихрову.
Who is the voice actor?
@@cobraregala4571if you mean russian dub(which i was talking ab) it's Vladimir Vihrov. If the original eng, i dont know, sorry
@@josephoartigasia i meant the ru dub
Glad I could make it, Arthas.
Reforged ;)
this one is the most memorable intro, I was sad for Arthas since he has been left alone to fight with the undead once again
Sargeras: Glad you could make it, Aman'thul
Aman'thul: Watch your tone with me boy. You may be champion, but I'm still your superior as a Titan.
Sargeras: As if I could forget. Listen, there's something about the Old Gods you should know...
Sargeras: Oh no. We're too late. These planets have all been infected. They may look fine now, but it's just a matter of time before they turn into tentacles!
Aman'thul: What?
Sargeras: This entire universe must be purged.
Aman'thul: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Sargeras: Damn it, Aman'thul. As your champion, I order you to purge this universe.
Aman'thul: You are not my better yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command even if you were.
Sargeras: Then I must consider this an act of treason.
Aman'thul: Treason? Have you lost your mind, Sargeras?
Sargeras: Have I? Aman'thul, by my right of sheer badassery, I hereby relieve you of your command and suspend your titans from service.
Eonar: Sargeras, you can't just...
Sargeras. It is done! Those of you who have the will to save this universe, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight!
Aman'thul: You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Sargeras.
Sargeras: Eonar?
Eonar: I'm sorry, Sargeras. I can't watch you do this.
0:47 proklyatye Uter
If Arthas had sailed to Kalimdor like Medivh instructed he wouldn't turn into a death knight and would be a valuable asset to the Alliance, not to mention that all those people he slaughtered would also join the side of the Alliance. The high elves wouldn't side with the horde or rely on demonic magic to keep surviving, and undead Sylvanas wouldn't exist.
Of course, the plot need those shenanigans to be more interesting, but nevertheless Arthas egomaniacal behavior created a shitton of problems and enemies to the Alliance, the battle of mount Hyjal was much harder, lots of sacrifices had to be made to kill Archimonde, and the most annoying person of Warcraft universe was created: undead Sylvanas. The character "development" of Sylvanas alone shows that it was a very bad decision.
arthas fled to kalimdor.
uther and the paladins fled to kalimdor.
king terenas fled to kalimdor.
sunstriders fled to kalimdor.
sylvanas fled to kalimdor.
antonidas and the kirin tor fled to kalimdor.
grom didn't kill cenarius.
yeah it would be an easier battle of mount hyjal.
the only problem here is that it would be harder to convince (even if your medivh the prophet) the older human characters who have saw the first and second wars (ex. uther) to side with the orcs while younger generations of leaders and heroes such as jaina (even she's reluctant as well) were easier to convince by the prophet as they were more liberal and open-minded (in contrast with her father,admiral daelin,whose son derek died under the orcs' hands during the previous war).
can you imagine arthas,uther (both fought the blacrock clan in-game so there would be obvious orc hatred),and king terenas cooperating with orcs in mount hyjal?
Pretty much Arthas' plot in WC3 is that he was selected as a general since fit the profile and actually doesn't really care about his subjects beyond them being his property as king he murder whenever he bothers to.
"Hello there, Master Uther. I take it Mal'ganis has been destroyed then. I must say you're here sooner than expected."
"Take a seat, young Menethil. You are the Prince, but you are NOT granted the rank of my superior as a Paladin."
"This is outrageous. It's UNFAIR! From my point of view, this entire city must be purged."
"Arthas, my allegiance is to Lordaeron, to THE LIGHT!"
"Damn it, Uther! Execute Order 66! I AM your future king!"
"Not. Yet."
"... It's treason, then." *autistic Light-powered spin*
"So uncivilised. I will do what I must."
"Don't lecture me, Uther! I've seen through the lies of the Paladins! I do not fear the undead as you do!"
"Arthas, you're going down a path I can't follow!"
"In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the Order of the Silver Hand wil be suspended from service!"
"... Only a Death Knight deals in absolutes."
"Jaina? The Paladins turned against me, don't you turn against me! "
"I'm sorry, Arthas. You're breaking my heart."
Arthas: commander Uther, the time gas come, execute order 66
We would have like 400-500 extra gold if those peasants mined gold instead of watching the entire conversation
If my superiors were having a historic conversation I'd drop everything too to listen
Uther: There must be some other way!
.... that somebody else will have to figure out. Byeeeee!
Jaina: Wait for me!
Arthas: I can't wait to kill at least one of you ....
Earth 2020
Arthas was right, Uther was just a dumb boomer who didn't understand the situation.
Please, listen the russian version, it is better a lot!
I prefer the spanish version
Am I the only one who thinks that purging Stratholme was the right choice? It was pretty much the only way to stop the plague from spreading. After all, Arthas only killed those who were infected, and they already turned into undead by the time he got there.
No you're not. He actually did a good thing here. If he hadn't acted Stratholme would have become an undead bastion. Even his enemy praised him for stopping them. It was his comrades Jaina and Uther who abandoned him forcing Arthas to become even more radical. Arthas realized how dire the situation was and was willing to do the necessary evil to save his land. Going to Northrend was a mistake though. He had doomed himself and his entire expedition.
@@hazzmati yeah, look at stratholme in wow, Arthas surely did a "right" thing
Stop being such an Arthas fanboy. He was WRONG, Uther even said "there must be some other way" but Arthas wouldn't listen and just immediately called him a traitor. Arthas was a selfish man
Immagonko except there was no other way, there was no cure. Arthas stopped the undead. Even medhiv acknowledged that “The dead in this land might lie still for the time being”. And the state of stratholme had more to do with arthas arthas becoming a DK and killing his king and finishing off his countrymen.
@@hazzmati the culling was a part of LK manipulation and Arthas surely got hooked on it
Had he not listened to his ego and won't go for the purge the whole LK thing would've been avoided
Arthas did not stopped the undead, he boosted their ranks and Stratholme become a city of the scourge
@@hazzmati all I'm saying LK planned all of this beforehand and knew Arthas would play his role, he knew he had short temper and him being selfish and emotional only helped the LK.
Uther and Jaina did not knew about LK but it's just that gut feeling that tells you that you shouldn't do it, and they turned out to be right
But arthas was right, if he didnt purge the city the plague would have spread further and gone out of control
Uther just put his paladin duty over common, practical sense. Besides, he wasn't a prince like Arthas so he didn't feel a weight of responsibility. As for Jaina, note that she didn't protest like Uther and only said that she "can't watch" killings. My bet is she agreed with Arthas' method but hadn't guts to execute it.
Fontaami But think about Uther’s and Jaina’s point of view, Arthas is telling them to purge an entire city of people who don’t even know they’re infected. Uther is shcoked at Arthas how he could consider purging to be the first option in his mind, Uther even points out “There’s got to be some other way” (maybe quarantining the city) but Arthas ignores him and demands Uther follow his command and tries to strip him of his rank just because he refuses. It was a tough choice, and you can’t blame Uther and Jaina not wanting to do so, killing innocents is a dreadful thing, even if it’s for the good of the realm. Arthas may have been right about purging the city to contain the plague, but Arthas also played a role in driving away Uther and Jaina from supporting him in his action.
No Uther just knew what happens to those that are willing to kill (in that case still) innocent people. It get's you to the dark side, hence why he said: "you crossed a terrible treshold"
Uther is a Paladin per excellance ofc he would try to find another way first, especially if you don't have a clue about the final outcome...
"But arthas was right, if he didnt purge the city the plague would have spread further and gone out of control"
but that did happen in the end... the entire country became the plaguelands.
i think you missed the point of the cutscene.
Yeah, Strathmore turned into such a nice city after purging right? Lol, wake up it's 2019, you're not a kid anymore. Culling was a huge mistake
Everyone on about how Arthas was right but not acknowleding Uther was the rightest anyones ever been when he said Arthas just crossed a terrible threshold.
Arthas: I'm going to commit mass genocide!
Uther: k... bye
arthacide
"Damn it, Uther! As your future king I order you to stay home!"
"Damn it, Uther!" WAT??? Russian version "Проклятье, Утер!" is 1000% better!
p.s. not reforged
This is how Arthas handles coronavirus
The point is that Mal’Ganis made Arthas believe this was the only option. I still have a sneaking suspicion however that the infected grain was impossible to stop at that time in the story to provide some kind of antidote. Were that true, then maybe Uther himself was in the wrong… even after all these years I have never heard of a story once someone became undead or awakened forsaken to recover and come back wholly with their body.
Wena wena weon, me alegra de que vinieara'i, weon
In RWBY Version
"Amity Purging."
Arthas: Winter
Uther: Gen. Ironwood
Jaina: Penny
0:40 Am disappointed that this has yet to become a meme
Arthas:Glad you could bake it,Uther.
Uther:Watch your tone with me boy,you may be the waiter but I’m still your superior as a chef.
Arthas:As if I could forgetti.Listen Uther,there’s something about the plauguette you should knead.
Arthas:Oh no.We’re too late.These peopleronni have all be infectedanana.They may look al dente now,but it’s just a matter of thyme before they turn into the undeadible.
Uther:What?
Arthas:This entire citronella must be peeled.
Uther: How can you even cook that?There’s got to be some other whey.
Arthas:Damn it Umami!As your future chef,I order you to broil this city
Umami:You are not my chef yet, boyardee. Nor would I obey that command if you were.
Arthas:Then I must consider this an act of seasoning.
Umami:Seasoning? Have you sauced you mince,Arthas?
Arthas:Have I? Lord Umami,by my right of succession and sovereignty of my crown of roast pork, I hereby rehydrate you from your commandard and suspenderoni you it pepperoni from service.
Jaina: Arthas you can’t just…
*Ding*
Arthas:It’s done!For those of you who have the will to taste this flan, follow me.The rest of you… get out of my kitchen.
Umami:You just tossed a terrible salad,Arthas.
Arthas:Jaina?
Jaina:I’m sorry Arthas… I can’t watch you cook this.
Man I am so dead
Arthas was right here tbh
Russian voice of Arthas is better than English
I prefer the spanish voice
Who else watch this 9 y.o. video after wc reforge trailer to hear normal Arthas' voice? :^)
"Мама, я актёр" начальный набор. Честно сказать, был сильно удивлён, услышав английское озвучание. Думал, что уж если у нас эмоций много, что как влитой во всех событиях, то уж сами-то...а тут - камень, старый пень и бревно беседуют.
0:40
*Sneeze
New Zealand be like
He did what a king must do.
He is not a king yet, boy!
@@flameseeker4060 It is treason then.
Killed his own father and most of the elvish population?
@@Immagonko People like you are braindead, its pretty fuckin clear he did that while he was under the influence of frostmourne and the lich king, it wasnt his normal self
Following this, Arthas was then captured and sent to Coffee Stain's high-security jail. His handsomeness had to be contained.
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Yeah, there was really no other way to solve this tragedy. Arthasdidnothingwrong
The Scourge won so no.
Arthas: i'm gonna end this man's whole career, but i'm not a king
Currently working
I like the detail of the peasants not working . It adds more atmosphere into it
Damnit Arthas, as my future king, order me to purge this city !
You are not my king yet, boy! Nor would I obey that command even if you were!
what about the cure disease spells?
1:04
*Random Birdie* Treason? Imma gettin' daFuq outta there!
i am so old...
They did their best yo make this scene work, and it shows, God is it legendary
This scene has been memed so much I can't take it seriously anymore.
China Government need him
We did it Captain! We saved the city!
And now listen to Russian version... It's much better!
0:39
Glad you could bake it Uther
Tumblr: Glad you could make it, twitter...
Twitter: Watch your tone with me, boy, you may be higher up, but i'm still your superior as a social media site!
Tumblr: As I could forget, listen twitter, there is something about nipples you need to know.. Oh no...We're too late, all of these people have posted lewd stuff...
This entire website must be purged...
Twitter: HOW COULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER THAT!? There must be some other way....
Tumblr: Dammit twitter! As your future social media lord! I order you to purge this account!
Twitter: You are not my lord yet tumblr, nor would I obey that command even if you were!
Tumblr: Then I must consider this...An act of harassment...
Twitter: HARASSMENT!? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND TUMBLR!?
Tumblr: Have I? TWITTER! BY MY RIGHT AS SOCIAL MEDIA LORD! I HEREBY RELIEVE YOUR ADMIN PRIVELIGES AND SUSPEND YOUR ACCOUNT!
Facebook: Tumblr, you can't just...
Tumblr: IT'S DONE! THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE THE WILL TO SAVE THIS WEBSITE! FOLLOW ME! The rest of you?...Get out of my Website...
Twitter: You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Tumblr...
Tumblr: Face book?
Facebook: I'm sorry tumblr, I can't watch you do this....I got banned for having mario with nipples on my account's pictures....