Palworld Is NOT A Rival To Pokemon
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Nintendo. Switch? Xbox. Pokemon. Palworld? Fat Pikachu.
All these words invoke controversy.
Today, I will definitively end this debate by telling you what you already know.
You’re welcome.
If you have a concerns, questions, or just want to yell at me, you can contact me by just shouting really loudly.
Thing is, this isnt pokemon with guns, this is Ark with pokemon.
FR HOLY SHIT
No this is a bad knockoff of pokemon!
How dare you talk about pokemon go without "Pokemon Go to the polls."
Whats there to say? It got said
im glad he didn't and I regret reading your comment. I had forgotten all about that
She's just chilling in Cedar Rapids. She's just chilling in Cedar Rapids and you're laughing.
When Pokemon Go came out and the hype was at a fever pitch, I pulled up and parked on the street one day. There were some people sitting on a wall near where I parked. They hopped off the wall and approached us asking, "what color are you guys?"
I glanced down at my arms and stumbled out "uhh... White?"
Oof
The thing is there has been an adult pokemon that's existed longer than pokemon: Shin Megami Tensei.
I have seen way more people complaining about pokemon fans complaining about palworld then i've seen pokemon fans complaining about it
Legends Arcues sold very well for a stand alone pokemon game, usually when they are showing game sales they include the sales of both versions.
“Stupid kids, get off my lawn.”
Welcome to adulthood, m’boy.”
This is more Ark with Pokemon than Pokemon with guns
While I don't think that Palworld's success can be entirely attributed to it being a "meme game," I do think that its meme status basically acted as a ton of free advertising. Just the mere concept of Pokemon with guns meant that every influencer was talking about it every time a trailer dropped for the game. So tons of people kept hearing about the game over the last few years.
However yeah if it was *just* a meme game, then it might get a bit of press at launch, you'd get streamers playing it to laugh at it, and then people would move on. What really got the game going imo is the fact that when everyone tuned into those streams to laugh at the game, they were surprised to find that the game actually looked kinda fun. And then the narrative shifted from "oh lol look at this shitty meme game" to "hey uh... have you tried this thing? it's actually pretty fun"
But yeah ultimately Palworld doesn't feel like any kind of real competition. People buying Palworld are likely either people who weren't going to buy pokemon anyways for one reason or another. Or are people that would buy pokemon no matter what in addition to getting Palworld. I don't think anyone is really thinking "oh yes I was definitely going to buy the next Pokemon game, but now that this has come out I'm going to buy Palworld instead!" Like that's just not how people think and Palworld is really not setting out to "replace" pokemon in any way.
I wish that GF would spend more time and resources making the pokemon games actually up to what I would expect from the largest media franchise in the world. But me not buying pokemon or Palworld selling 10 million copies isn't going to change that.
I think this is one of the most even-handed assessments I've read yet. Personally, I think a lot of people are just "growing out of" Pokémon, not because it's a kids' game and they're adults now, but because their interests and expectations have broadened due to exposure to other media and Pokémon just isn't meeting that anymore. It's fine that they don't like the new entries, but it's not fine that they take it to mean that there's necessarily something wrong with the franchise. Yes, glitches and bad framerates and excessive pop-in are objective markers of performance, and they are completely valid metrics to measure an individual title's quality. But to say that the mechanics being mostly the same after Gen 3 (save for a new gimmick every generation starting in Gen 6) is missing the forest for the trees.
I think what Pokémon needs IF the rights holders want to expand outside of just the preteen demographic is to add more difficulty options, improve performance, and maybe add a bit more depth to the stories like they did with Black and White and Legends: Arceus. Maybe also have more rivals like Bede, who felt like the second coming of Gary Oak in just how much of a snarky jackass he was before he got wrangled into becoming the PANK gym leader.
also Palworld has a very different gameplay loop anyway as it focuses on crafting whether Pokemon is all about RPG elements like turn based battles and story progression.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I wouldn't really say that's true as recent Pokemon games have been the biggest in a long time so I definitely think there's a lot of people who have gotten back into the series or even introduced to it for the first time.
" add a bit more depth to the stories" Scarlet and Violet. Which surprised me as I worried that open world would negatively affect the story like Zelda BotW (Amazing game but the story was the weakest part of it) but it didn't and in fact bolstered it!
@friendlyotaku9525 scarlet and violet felt like such a downgrade to be real all that i care for in pokemon right now is competitive.
The story is bad the only time ive been like oh that was a good story in pokemon was black and white everything else has been at most ok violet had one interesting thing and it was the paradox stuff i guess the proffessor aon was ok everything else was trash except larry. Larry is how i look playing the game.
I feel like pleasing me is so easy all pokemon should take from pal world is allow us to ride pokemon and ride them in battle(ones that are rideable)allow us to customize our own home with the help of pokemon gardening cooking and stuff let me feel like im actually friends with my pokemon besides just figths expand animations on pokemons. Make the world feel alive
@@rebirthofgodrics907 "the story is bad" it isn't bad at all, huh?
As a Pokemon Fan I love Palworld existing! The Monster Taming Genre is getting attention!
I love innovation and competition this means Pokemon is finally forced to actually get good otherwise it looks like a failure to its competitors
Yeah, the only other game series in the genre really is Shin Megami Tensei (including Persona), while all the others have mostly died off. Most Digimon games aren't like Pokémon, save for a handful like Cyber Sleuth, so even their biggest perceived rival really isn't one anyway.
@@GwainSagaFanChannelthe entire point of this video is that there Is No Competition. Pokemon company literally does not care, let alone feel pressure to improve.
@@NorthSudan I feel like people in this thread overlooked this lmao
Just because people are into Palworld, doesn't mean they'll be into the broader monster taming genre. Why does it matter if they are, or aren't giving any particular genre attention? Can't we just all enjoy the games we like without thought as to who else is playing them? Or how much attention a certain genre is getting? Can't we just appreciate a new game that is good on a case by case basis?
I'm not a palworld fan but if they keep updating the game I can see them lasting. Pokemon to Palworld is like Gta to Yakuza. It looks similar on the outside but once you play the game it's a completely different vibe.
Maybe like Saints Row (especially since it's dead now). Started as "GTA sucks, we made GTA fun again." then SR2 really went leaned on what they did better and is one of the best games of all time. From the outside they seem like the same game, but really they play very different.
i see Whimsu making the "men, i really need to start writing an ending to this videos" as his new outro.
Pokemon is a bit like Disney; name something they're famous for and you'll realise they haven't been good at that thing for years. Their business is just being.
pokemon IS good tho
Pokemon WAS good tho. Fixed it for you.
@@andrewwalker7340 At least the anime is good.
I was with you until you started blaming "kids" for "not having standards", obviously kids do have standards and it's a lot more complicated than you are leading people to believe but I personally am constantly surprised by how mature and well formed a child's artistic opinion can be. I am not saying children are all connoisseurs but they seem to have just as much variance in quality and complexity of their beliefs and opinions as adults. I don't know how the age distribution is amongst the sales but I doubt it's all coming from children. Children are just as volatile and unpredictable a market demographic as adults, they can change tastes on a whim and are just as likely to become an addicted consumer as anyone else.
I believe the high sales numbers despite the poor quality is coming from a number of things I will list a few of them here.
1. Fear of missing out. The Pokemon Company made the Dex-cut because they wanted the games to be a "unique" experience that you can't just postpone until the next better game, they wanted it to be something that you would feel you missed. Not to mention the countless other tactics that rely on addiction rather than quality.
2. Growing market place and population. There is more people and there is more interest in video games in general so games don't have to try as hard to be successful.
3. The merge of hand-held and home consoles. A lot of people were looking forward to seeing what a home console Pokemon game would be like and there are people who wouldn't even play a Pokemon game unless it was on a console.
4. Uncertainty. Game Freak Inc. and The Pokemon Company have managed to keep people in a constant cycle of false hope and curiosity or even flat out denial about how good the games are so people buy them just to confirm for themselves.
5. The fad got a second wind. The people that played the first games finally grew up so they had money or even kids of their own and as you said they are have a sort of nostalgia relapse.
6. Pokemon Go. I really don't need to explain this one but the mere fact that it's a phone game let them tap into a market of billions of people who don't own and never planed on owning a console but the barrier to entry for Pokemon Go was so low that they might of checked it out just to see what the fuss is about, not to mention the augmented reality aspect of it tricks people into thinking that it's a "healthy" choice to play the game.
Overall I think the billions of dollars these games are profiting is an abnormality of the market. If Game Freak Inc. and The Pokemon Company don't adjust their tactics soon people will lose interest likely within the next 5 or so years. But as you said it won't matter not because people will still buy the games but because they have only hundreds of employees yet they profited thousands of lifetimes worth of money there is zero chance that they can spend all that money within the next hundred years so long as they maintain their current budget and pace even if their income gets reduced to zero and they are just bleeding millions a year they will barley get through half of it before Pokemon becomes public domain.
Sorry that was longer than I meant for it to be. Good video though.
That ending pretty much sums up every palworlds players sentiment about them "copying designs" no one cares if nintendo could sue palworld probably wouldn't be alive right now
>Gameplay footage of shooting Pokemon with an assault rifle in a jarringly realistic environment
Nintento, HIRE this man.
@@glurpious73 mfw a game by an indie developer isn't made with my very specific interests in mind, but over ten million people are having fun so I have to be mad because I'm not having fun and I have no one to blame but myself
@garbagelmao2730 Sounds about right. Seems like the only reason why people indulge in media is to just be a contrarian, nobody genuinely enjoys anything anymore.
@@glurpious73 mfw the latest pokemon game looks worse than palworld while one is supposedly a triple A game and costed millions while pal world is an indie game
both fucking suck
@@OpoOnTheGo the same argument was used by pokemon fans when anyone complained about performance or graphics, and it was a bad argument. Not like I expect consistency from your crowd.
yay i get to post this again
As a pokemon enjoyer, I don't see Palworld as a "threat" until two more things happen: an animated series happens and merch is made.
The main difference between the two companies is that Pokemon isn't just a video games company; they are a literal multimedia company that got lucky that their branches are working well:the toy line, the anime, the games (no matter how bad people say they are), and staying power.
The one major win Palworld also has is the fact it was made for higher end platforms such as computers and xbox first and not for the switch, once it is able to run on switch on release (or the new console whenever that is) and it runs well, then we will have a topic to talk about.
Reason why I say this is because the last time a franchise stepped on to Pokemon's turf was Yokai-watch that had a surprising run of popularity in Japan but was short lived as after a year the hyped died down as pokemon came back with Go and Sun n Moon. Heck, it wasn't received well at all in America.
If Palworld wants to truly succeed, it either has to have something besides the game (like an animated series) or sell some merch. But I suspect this is a flash in the pan(or fryer for that matter) and the hype for it will die down until the full release happens.
This is mostly correct, but Yokai Watch actually carried its popularity for a while longer in Japan. It only lasted about 5 years though, and current attempts at boosting the series aren't really working the best.
GF's ability to make a good or even beautiful game aren't limited fully by the Switch (as much as I will dog on it). SMT 5 came out on the same console and is an open-world monster catching turn-based battler. It looks gorgeous, it runs well, it has decent (not great compared to other entries) writing, and it has the engaging combat SMT is known for.
HOLY CRAP I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT YOKAI-WATCH! Completely forgot that was a flash in the pan and then faded like a Thanos victim. Anybody remember TemTem?
I would agree that Palworld is an actual flash in the pan. The stars just happened to align for that game. I doubt it will be polished, but everything I've seen to me screams fun at me. That makes it worth a try.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Smt 5 has Pokemon beat on graphics for sure, but it's story is weaker than most SMT games and even Scarlet and Violet.
The thing is that Scarlet and Violet as well as Legends Arceus are great games that are sullied by poor performance, some technical issues, and frankly bad graphics. Mechanically these games are fun, some of the most fun many have had with Pokemon for years. It's not like Pokemon hasn't dealt with poorly made games. Gen 1 and Gen 2 of pokemon are notorious for how broken they are, in fact I'd still consider Gen 1 to be worse than Scarlet and Violet in terms of bugs. Multiple systems do not work properly as well as many things just being straight up incorrect.
I do overall agree that Palworld isn't competition for Pokemon becuase of the fact that one is a turn based jRPG and the other is a survival game. Two different games for different audiences. Played both and Palworld doesn't make me think it's Pokemon outside of it's monster collecting aspect
As you said most people playing Palworld don't give a damn about Pokemon, I, a pokemon fan, also don't give a damn about Palworld. And yes, we are all just adults complaining about a kids game online whilst still giving The Pokemon Company millions of dollars every year. The internet is for bitching, not societal change.
After people got over the initial graphics issue, Scarlett and Violet have come to be seen as best games in the franchise so far. Because they have age up the game a little to be appropriate for teenagers, even if a 8 year old can still beat them. It has an actual cast of characters who have personalities. We had a bona-fide battle happy yandere and a bona fide tsundere in the game. And the DLC gave us so much. Like actual full on long running story in the DLC with 2 very large new regions. And the dex cut isn't totally fixed but... it's way less small now. And did I mention Ogerpon? Ogerpon is perfect.
Scarlett and Violet did grow the Pokémon fan base again, it sold way more than any of the past few games, and just about every day I see a new person post on social media Nintendo fan groups say their going to go ahead and give playing it a try. And I think that's cause while no, the franchise isn't perfect, exciting things are happening in it and Pokémon is creating real buzz in the gaming community for the first time in years. Nobody particularly talked about the Crown Tundra or Ilse of Armor DLC to Sword and Shield. But there's a new level of buzz in the community for Teil Mask and Indigo disk that it's got people legit hungry to know what's coming next. Are we getting Black and White remakes? Or Gold and Silver remakes? Will one be a Legends or Let's Go game or something new? Could we get a 3rd DLC for S&V cause people actually want it. Could Pokémon blow our minds and give us gen 10? Why didn't Pokémon put ports of their old games on the E-Shop or the virtual console on the NSO, do they have something big planned like an anniversary collection? I need to know.
absolutely agreed
0:24 I wouldn’t call it one-way. Most of Palworld’s praise has centered around its (alleged) superiority to Pokémon. The rivalry clearly goes both ways.
9:05 A lot of people find this really confusing, but there’s a pretty simple explanation: Scarlet and Violet are pretty darn broken on a technical level, but the gameplay itself is actually pretty novel and fresh for the series. It’s not as innovative as Legends Arceus, but it’s still very different from what came before, and people appreciated that despite the terrible performance. People always wonder how those games succeeded “despite their poor quality,” and the answer is that the poor quality only extended to the graphical performance. The gme itself was actually pretty fun.
And pokemon has an endlessly diehard audience that will eat whatever slop GF/Nintendo puts out.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 I know this makes me sound like one of those diehard fans, but it’s genuinely not slop. Like, the MW3 is slop. Pokémon has actual aspirations, it’s just on such a tight schedule that it can never live up to them. That leaves us with games like Scarlet and Violet which feel like a beta of a pretty good game. That’s not slop.
It... can be fun. But always in the back of my head, it's just not there for me? I still played through the main game, and am still glad that I did that. I didn't expect a challenge, and still the game has stuck to me in some way. But during the DLC and after all of it was said and done? I just quitely dropped it.
Same with legends Arceus, I should start that up again. And listen to Jubilife village. Such a good OST.
@@hickknight I’m mostly with you on that. It’s no masterpiece, that’s for sure, and the performance absolutely gets in the way (if it ran wonderfully, I probably would’ve loved it rather than liked it). I just want to push back on the common notion that the game has no soul, no creativity, is poorly designed, etc. It’s woefully rushed, but it’s not slop.
The only reason, and I mean the ONLY reason, that Palworld is succeeding so much right now, is specifically BECAUSE of its relation to Pokemon. It's really nothing more than yet another early access survival crafting game. It's literally just Ark with pokeballs. If it weren't for them shamelessly apeing Pokémon's art style, it wouldn't be nearly as huge as it is right now. It's huge *because* of Pokémon, not in spite of it.
You may be right, but that wasn't Whimsu's point. The point isn't that Palworld is making an adult flavored Pokemon analogue: it's there and I think everyone admits it. It's that Game Freak doesn't see Palworld as competition.
That's quite naive. Even if you want to believe Palworld is just a pokeclon, it wouldn't be the first- remember nexomon and temtem? just to mention two that are even on the switch and had very little success. Palworld's game loop is fun- it's a mix of the mechanics from Arc, the catching concept from pokemon and the character animations from Fortnite (It's unreal engine after all) with a huge emphasis on interaction with your pals both for combat and the survival mechanics. The combat mechanics are dynamic and have a huge skill ceiling, and the graphics and performance... well, as long as you play on adequate hardware, it puts pokemon to shame in those aspects, but that's understandable.
It’s not really aping Pokemon’s art style, it’s aping Elden ring, BOTW *and* Pokemon’s art style
Palworld is openly meant to be a parody of the concept of Pokémon, an analysis of how things would supposedly "really" happen if the concept was real. People wouldn't be living in harmony and peace, they'd be constantly at war and building survival bunkers to survive roaming bandits using their magic animals to cause havoc. Though admittedly Pokémon has repeatedly addressed that idea as well, but with a much more idealistic and less humorously gruesome outcome most of the time.
@@legitplayin6977 Where is the Elden Ring artstyle at all? It's vibrant and bubbly and looks kinda like Fortnite.
To say that palworld is pokemon for adults seems...incorrect? Like, it gives me a lot of edgy teen vibes
It's not. It's the same competition to Pokemon as Digimon is. They aren't competitors
I think saying kids don't have standards is fair. I knew Super Mario 3 was a good game when I was 7 and it still very much is. Kids also know when they're being sold stupid shit.
Considering how broken Red, Blue, and Green were they do make Scarlet and Violet look good
33 year olds, and have been playing every mainline Pokemon game since Pokemon Red/Yellow/Blue. They kept me without much issue. My wife still plays the games as well, so I'm not really sure where the idea came from.
To be fair, I was a Nintendo Fanboy as a kid so I guess I still play Nintendo games.
people just love to hate whats popular. its crazy the amount of games ive seen directly rip off nintendo originals (pokemon, zelda, starfox and recently splatoon) then hear people say its better than nintendo's originals even tho they are straight up copies with better graphics cause pc game. People just love to hate large companies and original products
Lmao you would not find a single OG Pokémon fan who thinks Emerald is bad
You sweet, summer child.
I assume you've never heard of a "genwunner"
Pokemon GO was the real 'flash in the pan'
Damn, saw those scenes from Lapras party and it felt strangely nostalgic.
I don't think Palworld will be a contender with Pokemon.
But it's definitely big enough to be a direct comparison to it. Like how a hat in time was compared to Mario Sunshine. And yeah, it didn't beat Mario, but it still became big enough to be a popular topic to talk about, which I think helps the indie companies so much more.
Thing is I do believe the gamefreak devs care about the games. People asked for open world pokemon and we got an open world pokemon even though making a linear game like sword and shield would have been much easier and sell nearly as well. I think the problem with gen 9 was the game engine they used, they used the engine from the 3ds. It was clear in sword and shield that this engine could not handle any kind of open environment because it was built for the closed areas of the 3ds games. They couldn't abandon the engine though as it had all the pokemon from the previous game, so they had to downgrade the graphics to the ps2 and rush the rest of the open world, resulting in the game we got. Another thing I wanted to know was how palworld was made in such a short time with a small studio. The real reason is that the studio had made a previous game called craftopia, which was a breath of the wild-like survival game. So palworld was basically that game fixed, but with a bigger map and pokemon.
"downgrade the graphics to the ps2" do people not remember what PS2 games look like? but you are right that the engine itself is very old, in fact it has been used and modified since the GBA days... though there are murmurings that Game Freak might be switching to Unreal Engine for a future title.
PS2 is way too generous for Legends Arceus or *especially* Scarlet + Violet. Those mountain and grass textures are out of an N64.
AA games on the Gamecube have consistently better graphics (my main example is Ribbit King, there is no reason for a AAA game to look worse than Frolf in 2020 or beyond).
Also the lead devs only care about their sputtering out of touch ideal. They don't and have never invested in writers like Pokemon spinoffs have (namely Mystery Dungeon and Ranger). They don't push for strong ecosystems like series such as Monster Hunter do with World. They don't improve the quality of life nearly as fast as competitors like Dragon Quest or Shin Megami Tensei (seriously, Devil Survivor for the NDS has better quality of life than modern Pokemon). They also don't want to add any challenge to the games because the creative leads think kids are too obsessed with UA-cam to be willing to learn something past "damage move does damage". Maybe the team beneath them cares, but don't pretend Gamefreak leadership does.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 this whole comment is just "Pokemon bad" and not just that this comment is filled with misinformation, quality of life is constantly improved with each new game. Also have you ever seen an N64 game? no, just no.
"They don't and have never invested in writers" BW and SV say hi
@@friendlyotaku9525 Scarlet and Violet is barely early ps3 quality. And as much as I adore Black and White for being the only mainline pokemon game that tried to have a story with actual themes, the messages it's conveying are still very surface level observations that ultimately end up having no actual impact for the world or setting in the long run.
@@Cr3zant Remember Pokemon's target audience is still kids though so of course the messages aren't going to be super deep and are going to be more simple, since that's what kids understand and I think that's fine. I don't really think that's an issue, as long as the stories are told well and SV and BW have the best stories in the main series bar none, especially due to the characters which you genuinely grow to love.
I always find Tyler entertaining, but this time he got me to laugh a bit. Nice job. Great point about Game Freak not seeing Palworld as competition due to the differing audiences.
I think you’re very wrong that there isn’t a huge adult audience for pokemon. I actually think that if Pokemon capitalizes on Palworld’s success with a huge new up to date title for all ages in the next switch, they’re going to have massive success
Some people are claiming around half of Pokémon players are over the age of 20. I don't know where they're getting their metrics from, but it is an interesting claim nonetheless.
The issue is, most of the sources for this are based on self-reported users answering online polls. A lot of kids under the age of 13 cannot legally participate in them as a result due to COPPA. So the numbers may be skewed.
That said, I do think Pokémon as a franchise has an exceptionally large adult demographic. But I also believe the majority of them are casual players, and not super competitive or performance-obsessed. They want something they can play to enjoy and as long as it's functional it's good enough.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I wouldn’t doubt it
All I want is like….realistic Pokemon, in the sense of the way people would actually use them.
Like I want to know what Lt Serj was using Raichu for. I want someone to be accurately afraid of Gyarados in any open body of water.
Nobody will ever make that, because target demographics and stuff. But the earlier games had the slightest undercurrent of an “adult darkness” that got eaten by the series’ own popularity. And Pokémon Go ate any chance of that ever showing up because it kind of redefined Gen 1 (that and the Let’s Go games)
Black and White put some of that undercurrent back into the games but they haven't really touched on it a lot since then. But Palworld is basically meant to be an example of what you said - people using Pokémon in a fairly realistic way.
5:38 what do you mean? None of the weaknesses of modern entries like Sword and Shield were present several generations prior when people took a break from the series. Those issues all showed up with the transition to 3D. Gamefreak couldn’t really hang with that level of development, and that’s what caused the games to become lame. Right up until X and Y, the games were only getting better and better each generation.
I think this entire drama has done is shown how the ideals and expectations for a "successful" video game has changed from "selling enough to offset it's production" to "becoming a generational monopoly on a certain thing". Pokemon will always be popular and make money in the same way that Disney will always be popular and make money. If there can be hopes that some studio will take the big whigs down a peg for the Cartoon Mouse company then it makes sense why some would wish it on the Electric Mouse Company. I guess Gamefreak still has some goodwill to burn through before such an idea becomes unanimous online.
It'll be interesting to compare the reactions once another Palworld comes along in a few years.
Making a handful of mediocre games is not the same as making films that have star actors who support fascism.
@@littlemoth4956I don’t know about that. But Disney movies have been low hitting
To be fair even the mighty Disney is starting to die a death of a thousand cuts. They've had so many bad flops lately eating into their bottom line with no sign of successful course correction.
Disney is currently not making money, and their accountants are under investigation for cooking the books.
@@augustday9483 It's worse than that, the movies flopping is apparently not the worst way they're bleeding like a stuck pig. Plus someone got caught using "creative accounting" to misdirect their actual profits and expenses.
2:53 “New kids are born. Eventually they’ll play Pokémon.” Despite being a joke has a lot of truth in it and is partly why pokemon hasn’t really seen a hit in sales past gen 1.
I never seen a single game trigger so much people at once like Palworld did to Pokemon fans. As someone who grew up with Pokemon games but fell out after USM O think it is sad there are so kany people out there who don't want to try any other monster taming game. There are so many games that do everything Pokemon does but better, but they are instantly dismissed as "Pokemon clones"
Comparing Pokemon to Palworld is like comparing Harry Potter to Lord of the Rings, they share superficial similarities but if you look at it for more that 30 seconds you’ll see the target audiences are vastly different.
perfect summary
I've only seen people *TALK* about Pokemon fans being mad. Haven't seen them actually mad. So yes, very one sided
They're also wildly different experiences and games. (My opinion)> Palworld is fun but it's Definitely not "new Pokemon game" fun
Palworld is absolutely one of those "trend" games that everyone collectively forgets about the next year
That and well, good luck trying to get merch, trading cards and an anime off the ground
This "Fortnite" thing is just a fad, it'll be dead by 2019.
@FelipeJaquez I hear you but fortnite is basically baby's first destiny
It works because of time placement exclusively
Nothing can ever meet its extremely specific success like,ever
@FelipeJaquez Right, because Palworld was clearly made by a studio that has been in the industry for over 2 decades, having made multiple established IPs, and introducing an infinite amount of collabs while trying to distance itself from a dying genre and branching out into a platform similar to Roblox with its latest update
@@donaldduck73
I mean there have been a lot of things throughout recent history that for all intents and purposes should not have become as popular or culturally significant yet they have due to so many chance variables.
All the leaded gasoline in the 70s probably made Pet Rocks a successful product or people's unusually high disposable income for Pogs in the 90s, we just don't know what will stick around or die off.
@@NeoAya
Fortnite was announced in 2011 as another generic zombie game and didn't come out until 2017 so most people assumed it would be quickly forgotten like Lawbreakers or Paladins. It wasn't until PUBG kick started the whole "Battle Royal" trend that Fortnite started being cared about and even still most people assumed it would die after it's first year of being the star UA-camr game. My point being that calling Palworld a success or failure this early on is a bit premature in my opinion. I'll wait another two years before pissing on it's grave. I mean the creators can retire forever after all that it's made so in theory it's "succeeded" as a video game.
Ok but as someone who even as a child thought that catching Pokemon and beating trainers just for completion sake was fucking _moronic_ this alternative view that Palworld presents pleases my Management side much more. You catch Pals... so that you can automate your Labour Camp to increase production so that you can expand your base, that makes so much more logical sense!😍😍
Bro, you just hate JRPGs and like resource management games.
@shakachoarroyo that's not true I love the shit outta jrpgs personas ff star ocean suikoden etc but pokemon was trash as a story and setting everytime you had to roll your eyes at the shoehorning required to make the game happen lol even as a kid you'd be like how did the other 11 year old beat all these adults before me and then get rolled by me and now I'm the champion of the world? Don't get me wrong I've played every us released pokemon game and loved PLA but palworld is Pixelmon (the minecraft mod which was already more engaging than the original games because you could do what you want in the world with pokemon) except with better graphics that alone gave it a leg up
@@ezmodey1105 So you find Pokemon dumb because an 11-15 year old beat a bunch of adults, but like Persona where a 15-16 year old beats up a bunch of terrorist adults or FF where a 16 year old ripoff football player can beat up a bunch of adults and also god.
The factory must grow!
Far as the Poke-Pal comparisons, you are not out of touch. Quite the contrary. You are spot on, and the most sane compared to those whack-jobs looking for a reason to hate PalWorld.
Kids do have enough capacity to choose a good pokemon game. I’ve seen most kids within my family not even complete a pokemon game and prefer Fortine’s gameplay. So most of the time in my situation I just see adults playing a pokemon game. The problem is that the franchise in itself is beloved and people will buy the games due to this even if they are not good games.
Competitive players are also stuck with buying a new game since it is required to play competitive Pokemon every year.
That being said, scarlet and violet while enjoyable in some ways was really a train reck. This game crashed so much that this is the first time I use autosave in a Pokemon game. Also after the main story is complete… the game is pretty boring. I’ve kind of fallen asleep when doing raids and it’s not that I’m good at them… they just don’t interest me.
i thought you were gonna say that altho pokemon scarlet and violet is c rap, it still managed to bring back the hype of pokemon in general, made people think about the good old days and try to see the good in scarlet and violet and try to see the humor in the bad in it... and game freak is giving more time to their latest project, havent you heard about legends za? they're gonna be working on it for like a year, which is apparently longer than it took for them to make scarlet and violet
I feel like Palworld is more like Monster Rancher's concept with Digimon's monster design motifs. Pokemon has such a monopoly nobody even knows what other Monster Genre games are.
Also it's about time people realized Pokemon is slop.
Pokemon has the genre monopoly as DND. You call other tabletops dnds. You call other monster catchers Pokemon clones.
But people also need to realize that Palworld is not the best step for the monster taming genre as a whole or else the genre would suffer problems that many open world games would suffer if they embrace mainstream ideas too much.
Well it's two genres. It's Survival and Monster Catcher. I'd love to see other companies mix genres with monster taming. You probably want something more akin to a narrative driven RPG? That would be fun or maybe a more complicated Action RPG. Imagine Pokemon Dark Souls? Sheesh lmao@@patrickmarquez8307
They replaced slop for more slop. Amazing
@@TheDsLeet Palworld tickles my autism.
People comparing palworld to Pokémon are missing the forest for the trees. Palworld is fanfaction, but I mean that in the best way possible. Palworld is not trying to be a Pokemon game, it is trying to be a game with pokemon in it. It is like someone made a pokemon mod for ARK, then decided to polish and release it as a standalone game.
I think the better conversation is how Palworld is the first asset flip game that is actually good.
You spoke way more about pokemon and hardly at all about Palworld. Given pokemon has more fans, why not show us Palworld and why you love it ?
It clearly isn't nor is it a Pokémon clone but Pokémon fans are loud and never played anything else so they gotta defend gamefreak
pokemon FANS are not upset
we dont see Palworld as pokemon. we like it for different reasons.
I don't think 'adult' is the Palworld market. With the general pitch being "What if Pokemon with guns", whether intentional or not, it comes off as a teenage market to me. Like, personally I haven't played. The controversy is part of it, but tbh I'm just flat not interested in a game where you shoot Pikachu.
This is just a little short sighted. "Adult games" become kid games, Minecraft didn't start out with a massive kiddy audience, Fortnite didn't start out with a massive kiddie audience, Ark didn't start out with a massive kiddie audience. All of them are still around today though because the fickle adult audience moved on and a younger demographic came in and kept them Mainstays. That cycle will happen with Palworld.
hopefully not. The last Minecraft version I play is 1.7.10.
What made Fortnite stay relevant was due to microtransactions and collaborations with other popular ips. For minecraft is that it embaces creativity beyond what the developers intended. Ark well it probably won't last longer than the both of them, despite many playing it. Palworld does not have the aspects that kept minecraft or fortnite relevant.
I was a fan of Pokémon or at least before the 3DS era but Palworld is genuinely a fun game.
And no, it’s not because it’s simply ‘Pokemin with guns’ as I’ve yet to get a gun in game.
I’m just saying, I stopped playing Pokémon completely when this came out. I like this game so much more than anything game freak put out since Pokémon Platinum
6:00 Legends Arceus is a mainline game.
They tried that line with LGPE too 😂😂😂
those are mainline games as well tho. apparently it's shortly after the original red and blue@@wolfgangfegelein2450
This is exactly what I've been sayin' Three months or so from now when Pokemon Whatever the Hell Color they Come Up With Next comes out, the fans will still buy it, because it is Pokemon. People act like Pokemon hasn't been sent this sort of message before. They. Don't. Care. And why should they.
Pokémon came out, like what, 30 years ago? People grow up but it doesn’t mean everyone drops their hobbies and favorite things.
That's a very interesting take with regards to kids not understanding quality.
We grew up in a time without online patches. Every game that released had to be essentially rock solid on release. It was rare to see a buggy mess from a major publisher. And when it did happen, the backlash was massive, take a game like Sonic 06, it wouldn't be too out of place if it released today compared to 2006.
But today's kids? A ton of major publishers release buggy games and then fix them eventually through patch work. To a kid growing up now they'll just think that's how all games are, buggy games are the norm so they won't even question the quality of the game, they just live with it.
To be clear I'm not blaming children, I am blaming the world they currently live in where releasing sub par experiences is now standard.
I was hoping you'd compare the two franchises a bit more instead of giving a half-hearted history lesson
I'm still sorta confused as to how it's doing so well just purely considering it's own merits. Maybe I just don't understand but it doesn't seem that fun? I don't know good for everyone else though I'll just stick this one out
its just cause peeps love to hate on anything nintendo. And also survival games are kinda popular right now. shortly after palworlds release, we got Enshrouded, another survival game. it sold 1 million in it's first day.
I’m honestly in love that a lot of your arguments against hardcore fans and the terminally online are that the majority of people don’t care. It feels like the most obvious answer but the one that fans will try to deny over and over again even though it’s true. Fans and the terminally online really seem to think that a franchise or media’s success depends solely on the fanbases actions and opinions, when that’s far far from the case.
The only good creature collector on the market right now is the Megami Tensei franchise. Comparing Shin Megami Tensei V or Persona 5 Royal to the Pokemon games on Switch should genuinely embarass Pokemon fans, but it won't. People would eat raw sewage if you slapped a new charizard form on it.
The Monster Hunter Stories spinoff series is pretty good too
Not really, outside of technical issues Scarlet and Violet are fantastic and Legends Arceus was one of the best games of 2022 in my personal opinion.
1) theyre called monster tamers not creature collecting
2) monster hunter stories 2, digimon cybersleuth and hackers memory, dragon quest: monsters the dark prince, temtem, nexomon 1 and 2 and the third one is gonna be in 3d
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Don't forget Cassette Beasts,
Masterpeice of an innovative gem.
But Smt and Persona appeals to different people.
Whimsu is totally wrong about pokemon not noticing.
If they release scarlet and violet again, sales will dip or max out.
They will too, and sales will stagnate, they will think palworld didn't change anything, but it did.
Pokemon is lock on nentendo, palworlds is appealing to a pc audience
I would say that at least 50% of Pokemon fans are happy about Palworld and are playing it to death.
Its not only normies that are playing it.
Saying GameFreak is the one to blame for the performance issue and that ”they don’t care about to franchise” is very much not true. The amount of detail that every generation has had to its creatures, world and inspiration for everything is absolutely insane. The games have been made better to play every generation and the amount of little details put into some random spots of the world is absolutely stunning.
If The Pokemon Company wasn’t the one forcing this machine to keep on going full speed, matching the launch of new season of the anime, new cards, new merch, new toys, new updates to their mobile games GameFreak could not only create amazing Pokemon games but also make them work as a game that big should
You clearly have never raised a child.
Sanest take on youtube right here
My Hope is that pal world got the Pokemon company to realize that they should make games for adults too, and we get a revival of the type of game coliseum and XD Gale of darkness were
A man can cope
Although the problem with games with mature themes is that they fall out of relevency quick. So far most stuff targeted towards kids tend to last long. Most popular games with mature themes tend to be adhd fodder hence why shooter games tend to be popular. Most people don't want to play slow games that require patience.
I gotta be honest I haven't seen a single Pokémon fan bitching about Palworld. I haven't been looking that hard, but I genuinely haven't stumbled across it. I've seen a LOT of Pokémon fans bitching about the latest Pokémon games.
This is the 1st pokemon game ive ever bought its pretty fun
Anyone who compares pokemon to palworld either have never played palworld (or pokemon) or they have no f in clue about game design.
I'm not sure the adults paying isn't quite so low, I mean who is actually buying those $400 life size plushies?
Honestly while I would consider myself a fan, I guess I want different things. People want actually hard games which is fine, but I want something more chill like you saw in the show. Something with more of a focus on raising pokemon, something like an Animal Crossing or Slime Rancher but pokemon. But also I want something that looks good for fucks sake. for the biggest franchise in the world we should get something that looks like Detective Pikachu (the movie, not the game).
But even if some better game comes along it still has some issues. Pokemon has some universal appeal. You can ask plenty of people who there favorite pokemon is and get an answer. More likely than say, who's your favorite Smash character or maybe even something like favorite Marvel character. It has a bit more of a cultural impact that a new franchise won't until it's more established. That and something many would have said is an issue with Pokemon now, there's just simply not enough of them. There's 1000+ Pokemon, it's pretty likely you can find one or a few you really like. Less so if there are only 100 or so.
I will say this, there was a fan made game demo a while ago that I though was the future, I think it was called Generations. Basically the idea was you play as the trainer running around normally, but in a battle you switch to your pokemon and battle in real time. It was pretty sweet.
Not terribly relevant since the major points of the video still stand, but as of September 19th 2024, Nintendo is suing Pocketpair, the makers of Palworld, for patent infringement
I will care about pokemon when they put out a new Pokemon Mystery Dungeon.
In time it will rival pokemon if they continue to be stagnant mark my words
Audience sales tend to reflect the previous product. I think the next Pokemon game will at minimum sell worse than Scarlet and Violet because it had so many bugs and graphical compromises that general audiences will look over at other products before going back to pokemon for at least that generation, but Pokemon isn't going anywhere.
I was a kid during the peak or 90s Poke-mania so I've been a lifelong fan. That being said, the last pokemon game I bought was Sword and Shield. I absolutely hated it. I swore off giving them another cent until the games improve substantially. I won't blame anyone for continuing to support the franchise despite its depressing mediocrity but I hope eventually enough people will come to the same conclusion I have. The reason their games haven't really "evolved" (🥁🥁🔔) much over the last 3 decades is because they make money hand over fist regardless of the effort they put in.
My Pokémon experience went a bit differently. Started playing when I was 9/10 with Gen 1 Red (I know I'm old lol) I continued to buy every game that came out up until Gen 4 Pearl when I was 19. Didn't even look at a Pokémon game after that for years, I saw the hype for Pokémon Go but still had no interest. Yet Sword and Shield I had a lot of interest in when I heard about it, I dunno why maybe because I'm British and it was meant to be based on the UK. Never the less those games brought me back to Pokémon when I was 32 and made me go back and play all the others and keep up with the new ones.
Legends: Arceus is the best Pokémon has been since it's creation as far as I'm concerned, I hope they make more of those games. Scarlet and Violet were somehow even buggier than Sword and Shield on release which boggles my mind.
As for Palworld, even though I'm 36 now I'm not really interested in the game, if it wasn't for some of the Pal's designs being VERY similar to some Pokémon I wouldn't even call it "Pokémon with guns", nor "Ark with Pokémon" if anything I'd say it's Ark with Digimon lol.
However my problem with the Pokémon games isn't that I want them to be more adult, I just want them to put a bit more of that Pokémon Company money in to MAKING the games.
Lol nice jokes
I'm gonna say it right now, as a diehard pokemon fan... *I LOVE PALWORLD.* While pokemon has had a huge influence on my life as a whole (i have over 50 pokemon plushies and about 1000 hours combined on all the games I've played), i much prefer palworld over something like pokemon sv because while they are both fun, one just kinda ends (pokemon) while the other has endless amounts of content due it being a survival game. Hoping this is the wake up call TPC needs, and that this will make them try harder foe gen 10.
Hm. I liked your video. I guess I'll play your game for now, funny man. *subscribes*
I don't know what you're talking about 😂 everyone I know and all my friends never grew out of liking Pokemon! Everyone I know has always loved this ❤ that's coming from someone who never was big into it. And who has a brother who lives and breathes Pokemon STILL
Love both Pokemon and Palworld. With that said there are way more things Pokemon games could take away from Palworld to make them better. Even if just simple quality of life improvements, snappier game loop that doesn't waste your time, lore that isn't just super safe...amongst other things. I had way more fun playing Palworld than Scarlet and I'm not even a particular fan of survival genre.
At this point I hope that devs at Pocket Pair will invest heavily into the game and fulfill its potential to the fullest. Whether the pokemon company would react or will just stick to the old ways I don't even care anymore.
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nah I disagree. I have a little cousin who told me sword and shield sucked, and how other future Pokémon games did as well.
You can say kids don’t have brainpower, but their opinion is influenced off the UA-camrs/creators they who made their opinion of the same thing. Especially now, I feel like kids are more engrossed to their tablets, youtube, and other medias like tik toks.
Maybe you are right about kids eating the recent games up no matter how trash it is. (Because it’s literally the only Pokémon games available unless you emulate it)
But I think Pokémon online media is a heavy influence on kids. Especially if all you see about a game is heavy criticism
The cynical look on everything and appealing to hate crowds sucks to hear every time..;;
I think you are wrong mostly. Palworld is competition because both are monester games;hiwever you are right that the target audience is vastly different. As a kid, I stopped playing Pokemony after Ruby because they kept releasing the sane game with assets flips. Later I played X and Y and moon because it was different enough from the versions I played to warrent it and I got to play with my Nefu. Lastley, the goal in the pokemon games is different enough to still make pokemon worth the purchase if you never played it. Now a days, GameFreak should be ashamed of themselves for releasing such a buggy game, pokemon not and Indie game so I am not giving it ant slack for those bugs. At the very least, they need to fix these graphical bugs, but the truth is most mainstream studios will release a game in a buggy state if the game wont crash.
Pokemon will never have real competition, I ve been a fan since I was a kid and many of the people who grew up in the Pokemania era are now playing the newer games too, it will never die as a franchise. However to many Pokemon fans, Palworld existing has shown them (myself included) how much more Pokemon could have been. To me Pokemon suddenly seems out of touch for sticking to the same formula for so many years. Suddenly the glitchy mess that was fun to play suddenly feels way worse now that an early access game who has some bugs but developers are actively trying to fix but started out to feel like a complete game. Palworld offers so much more (yes its a survival game, but the monster taming is still an important part of it) that should light a fire under Gamefreak's ass
palworld could be a rival to pokemon in the merchandise sector, since that's pokemon's biggest source of income and the palworld devs are going to want another source of income while they work on other projects
I think the only way the Pokemon Company could compete with Palworld would be if they licensed it to another developer
Im a OG with the red, blue and , the Oh so illusive ,perhaps Legendary to kids who grew up in a single parent home, pokemon yellow!!! It was a way of life back then and it allowed freedom
Tbf, Pokémon's anime on cartoon network and kids wb did most of the heavy lifting as card battling didn't catch on nearly as much and just fell into collector territory.
Kinda find it odd people compare it to Pokemon. Like it's got "pokemon" in it, but the gameplay is more like Ark or Conan:Exiles.
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As a Pokemon fan, I really enjoy playing palworld and legends arceus, but scalet/violet is an absolute garbordor fire and I want my money back
For all the reasons mentioned about pokemon that Palworld looks kinda....eh. It's funny to joke about but it doesn't seem substanced,
It has always been confusing to me how people like Pokémon, It is so simplicity that it makes dragon quest look complex by comparison. You don't have to think to beat a pokemon game.
You're allowed to say anything.
But no, Game Freak is not going to "try".
They're long past trying.
I have never EVER played a Pokemon game... I like Palworld and hope it has good support going forward.