starfield is a game by xbox man Todd Howard, invented by Bethesda in 2023, it is a video game that runs on xbox and not the playstation therefore it is better
That part about kids expecting things to be the best thing ever and adults having the absolute minimum expectations since they lived through more disappointment really hit home chief. You may be a purple cat but you're one hell of a social commentator
@SparksProxGlad to hear you enjoyed it, but still there is good reasons to affirm that the game was overall bad. Besides the poor kids angle, there is also the angle that it had the expectation of being the first proper AAA exclusive system seller for Xbox , as the video cat host mentioned. It being a good enough aaa of a niche genre really can not compensate the high and different expectations the marketing guys fostered, and fans and pre order consumers hoped . A system seller had to have very different content in it, and more developed. Even a single player Halo 1 in 4K remake would have been a much more reasonable attempt at making the system seller for Xbox.
Make sure to download them all, and store, just to be safe. Very many UA-camrs have been delisted or deleted themselves their old videos or entire channels already. I know I can count on my 720p collection of whimsu and knowledgehusk.
The internet's been that way for a long time. Why didn't people talk about the new GoW or Zelda? Because they were sequels. Why did everyone talk about Elden Ring? Because it was a brand new ip. Discourse might've gotten worse on Twitter or something like that but so did the videogame industry as a whole. It's not just children who like to complain, it's also jaded adults. When a game as big as Starfield doesn't deliver for a sizeable portion of the audience, they're gonna complain, and the angry minority is always going to be the loudest (now imagine if they aren't the minority). Also for the content creators aspect, let's not be oblivious to the fact that most big reviewers are just shills, there's more forced positivity than negativity in these big channels.
6:13 Hi-Fi Rush came out like 7 months ago, great game, very well made and barely had any bugs, amazing soundtrack too. Haven’t seen a single video on it that wasn’t made a few weeks after it’s release back in like April.
I don't remember people making Doomn 2016 videos more than a month after launch either though. Most games fall out of memory pretty quickly. Like, Among Us -> Fall Guys -> Lethal Company are the only games I can think of that stick around for a year before being replaced by the new thing.
I'm 25 and the part you said about the internet being full of children really hit hard. I feel so out of place when I go read online discussions and it's all discussing some literal whos, like that penguinz guy, or xQc or whatever other streamers or tiktokers, I have no idea who those people are or why their opinions are so highly regarded by so many. But that's just it, you literally answered it later in the vid, they just regurgitate the mainstream reddit front page correct speak, thus everybody who spends 15 hours online claps, and who does that? 14 year olds. It all adds up. It hurts to feel this way as I was very into the growing internet culture as I was growing up, it was so chaotic and unpredictable, and now it's all so bland and sterile. At least now there's time to enjoy video games instead of doomscrolling.
It isn't just that there are more kids on the internet now, it's that they treat it like THEIR space. I remember when I was a young teen and it was VERY different: you were expected to fucking behave yourself. The internet was an adult's space, not kids'. Now they act like little shitheads and then cry "OMG UR LITERALLY HARASSING A MINOR OMFGGG FUCKIN CREEP ADULT!!!" if you tell them to act with an ounce of decorum. 😂
"It was an adult's space." I mean, kind of. There was plenty of kids online but they mostly stayed on kids sites like Club Penguin. Also now I have seen plenty of *actual* Boomers be chronically online and act just like damn children.
@@DDRWakaLaka Yeah, I'm 26 years old and nowadays the Internet makes me feel like Methuselah. That said, excessive social media is psychological poison (I only use YT sparingly and comment rarely), so kids being on here doesn't matter to me anyway. Extra reason for me to log off.
@@Gatorade69 This is also true. There needed to be some degree of computer literacy (and literal literacy, hah) back then. Now any idiot can log on and do whatever.
I remember CGP Grey made a video about emotions and social media is fueled by anger. If you make people angry you can get way more clicks than if you share something positive. This really effects everything from general discussion to politics to media. That’s really why you don’t see too much positive discourse anymore, because the negative will always overshadow it.
A UA-camr I watch made a video talking about a game he loved, and straight up mentioned how videos he makes that are positive do much worse than the negative videos. Personally I'm tired of all the negativity. Modern gamers are just toxic crybabies who wallow in negativity.
@@Gatorade69those "modern gamers" are the minority. the majority of gamers are just people who just play games they like and rarely actually talk about it online. the thing is even now the majority of people still dont actually interact with strangers online, they watch or read what they want and move on with their day. the people actually actively having "discourse" online (mostly just yelling at each other) are the minority that dont have anything better to do
@@reethardio6432 Yeah and plenty of "gamers" only play Madden and CoD. I've seen it on multiple websites and sure, they may be a minority but they are a vocal minority who are vocal enough to cause harm (like review bombing a game they don't like, or sending a voice actress death threats).
I just recently realised the hive tribal mentality and shit. Just unsubbed from every review sites, "sceptics" and shit like that and guess what, come on guess. I...enjoy...life now. I look at everything in the internet as an outsider and this shit wild bro. People tuning into people who say exactly what they want to hear. Filled with half truths served as facts and whole thing feels like looking at a circus but everyone watching are the clowns.
People, channels, media, all of them giving their opinion and quoting comments and tweets to make their point, which then prompts people to comment more aggressively. It's taking the echo chamber and turning it up to 11, and people just keep engaging. I *never* used twitter because I saw it as an absolutely *pointless* waste of time, and for years it baffled me the effect it had on people. Humanity as a whole needs to outgrow that sort of human interaction and media consumption, but it won't. At least not for a very, very long time.
One of the best channels with most interesting perspectives on UA-cam. There are loads of games, movies and media I loved as a kid that the internet hates. Don't be a sheep and give into the internet hivemind. Love what you love and don't be a normie.
I love how even when you're specifically trying to do as little editing as possible, you still put so much more effort in than most other online pundits. Love the channel, keep up the good work
Your theory about the discourse about good, bad and mixed games helped me understand why Tears of the Kingdom came and went and no one was talking about it, but discussion on Sonic Frontiers is still strong, and got stronger because of the mixed reception of the Final Horizon update. Also, I noticed games like Elden Rings are often only brought up in online conservation when it is to compare to a poorly receptived game. Very few people talk about Elden Ring on its own, there's always another game being compared to it.
I think you're too optimistic on this "it's the children" hypothesis, there's so many adults who behave like this I personally think this behavior is a form of escapism, getting mad at video games is a source of dopamine that occupies your mind for a while, there's a reason if "the gamers" often overlap with tinfoil hatters
Or... Some people really never grow up. I've seen it with my family, they still act like spoiled children even though they should be wise in their old age.
Your intro about editing made me want to point out that your actual title sequence is still one of the best I think I've ever seen. I mean, it's actually a little painful how hard it goes given how short it is, but the brevity is key. I've checked you out on soundcloud and I genuinely love your sound, it just fills a certain need I have deep within me for distorted yet melodic sounds.
I have a theory that parents just gave all the children their own phones and social media to scroll during the big coof and didn't take them back after the coof was done, and that's the reason the internet has been infested by annoying children for 2-3 years
IMHO, it isn't just that there are more kids on the internet now, it's that they treat it like THEIR space. I remember when I was a young teen and it was VERY different: you were expected to fucking behave yourself. The internet was an adult's space, not kids'. Now they act like little shitheads and then cry "OMG UR LITERALLY HARASSING A MINOR OMFGGG FUCKIN CREEP ADULT!!!" if you tell them to act with an ounce of decorum.
@@DDRWakaLaka most people don't seem to have the concept of internet decorum seperate from IRL behavior in the first place. anonymity is on its death bed and whatever you put on the internet you mean it a 120%. no such thing as trolling for the lulz anymore, and that is so fkn sad...
I've felt this way about Minecraft for a while now. For the past few years it feels like they'll add something completely innocuous and harmless like frogs, and people (children) will lose their shit about how it ruins the game and that the devs are wasting their time etc. Has the internet always been like this, or have I just grown up? Or are modern social media algorithms just so efficient now at pissing people off and getting them to stay on the platform?
a mix of both tbh. whilst complainers have always existed on the internet (i still remember loads of them when i started browsing, and you can even find complainers from the 90s with a modest dig at old forums and google groups), i feel like it's a lot worse now because of how every corner of mainstream internet seems to love outrage-bait, be the algorithms, or the users themselves (especially the nanocelebrity kinds. the 5k follower jackasses whose online presences consist of brass opinions and reposting shitty memes), everything just feels like a massive outrage and bitching fuel
I think there's always been this side to the internet. Comic book guy's famous line 'worst episode ever' was directly taken by Simpsons writers from a forum where people were complaining about an earlier Simpsons episode.
@@HeyWhatAShiteUsername Exactly, and it's so bad with those nanocelebrities because it's clearly all about the hustle and growing a profitable channel for them. It's honestly so exhausting, but has also helped me with actually getting out their and touching more grass, because the alternative just isn't as appealing anymore.
I find it kinda fascinating that people perceive the discourse around Starfield as dominated by the inverse of their opinion (if they're a hater, they see it as a giant circlejerk about how great the game is; if they're a fan, they see it being unrightfully, universally bashed). also didn't he originally claim to love (or at least enjoy seeing) this kind of polarization in his console wars video?
I feel like positive discorse has been more segmented into more niche communities. Like, Ive been seeing a lot of positive stuff about Starfield because Im into the Bethesda niche corner of the internet, where people are discussing stuff like New Vegas mods to this day.
I joined r/NoSodiumStarfield yesterday. I guess I am apart of that niche. I watch FNV mod channels and stuff like PatricianTV's 20 hour Skyrim video. Haha
@@supernsansaexactly not every game needs to be a brand new ground breaking game. I just want to pig out on what I call video game junk food. It's messy but it's fucking great. I didn't come here for some new revolutionary 5 course meal.
I think part of it is because people were disappointed it’s Fallout 4 and games from the studio/publisher/whatever have been going down since. Whether the Creation Engine is good enough or not, people hoped those bugs/flaws of something like Skyrim/FO4 would’ve been addressed by now. But instead, they’re either still there and/or Starfield is more/less a new skin on an existing game than advancing the studio forward. That’s what I get from it anyway. Years of hoping they’d improve just to show they haven’t learned anything.
To be fair, I feel like the story writing and quest design have had a real bump up compared to their most recent entries, although I'm still 60 hours in and haven't seen it all yet. But so far, it feels like most quests have a good amount of options where it makes sense, and do well to convey some descent characters. It's no Disco Elysium, but I'd say it is a notable improvement. Ironically, the game's biggest weakness so far is the environmental exploration, which is normally their strong suit. But then, that's mostly a result of choices regarding world gen. But eh, you win some, you lose some.
@@Descriptor413Oh wow. Actual fair criticism from someone that has actually played the game. Rare to see these days. Personally I didn't really care about Starfield and kept my expectations really low and the game looks better than I thought it would be. Still haven't played it. I usually wait until something goes on sale before I pull the trigger and let some patches and fixes come out first. I just bought Resident Evil 4 Remake for like 45$ including the DLC. Starfield is on my radar as I genuinely enjoyed my time in Elder Scrolls/Fallout, Bethesda games are not perfect but they're not as bad as the whiners would make you think they are. I mean a game that can hold your interest for 60hours and still have a lot more to see and do is a decent deal (especially on sale).
I wondered what his opinion was. Because I had low expectations for Starfield. But it looks fine, maybe Bethesda is gonna turn around. But there's *SO much toxicity. It's "the worst game ever", in a world where REDFALL exists!
I am the niche audience. I hated this game. I'm the kind of idiot that even put time into shlock like avengers, fallout 76, gotham knights. I spent hundreds maybe thousands of hours on Elder Scrolls and Fallout games. I hate Starfield so much. It was viscerally unpleasant and I wasn't even hyped for it. I can't see what anyone can like at all about this game but I figure there must be something weird going on for the bipolar positive and negative reactions. Like how to some people cilantro tastes like soap and to others it tastes normal.
Man, I've noticed this too. It feels like the collective video game community has gotten either too defensive and protective, or more critical to a fault. I thought it was a reaction to the video game industry doing shoddy work, releasing things too early ect. End of the day though, it's an individuals responsibility to not let a game get them so heated they become blinded.
the kid adult argument probably boils it down to adults have had expectations ground down by years of disappointment where as kids still have hopes and dreams lol
The "I don't want a solution I want to be mad " Era. It's interesting to watch as projects come and go, especially those projects I'm not particularly into or even knew existed has a lot of discourse. It's all an interesting mess.
Internet anger is 100% at a boiling point. I know it's nothing to do with Starfield, but about a week ago, the head of live balance for League of Legends switched hands to somebody else who is relatively new to their balance team, and there was so much backlash to this decision that was actively made up (not to say everyone complaining was being irrational). Half of the complaints that fueled the anger were fake quotes, out of context statements, and people jumping to conclusions about things being tested early. And people ate it up just to BE angry about something.
Funny how all of those problems would be almost immediately solved if one day facebook, twitter (or whatever bs name it's got whenever), instagram, and every comment section and forum on the internet literally vanished and wasn't replaced by anything of the sort. Social media is a blight on humanity.
@@theautomaticfiendPeople only see in black or white (or red and blue) and not in the shades of grey things really are. People want to be offended, people want to be angry. I remember when you could have actual discussions and argue your points, there's none of that anymore. A UA-camr I watch straight up said that the videos he makes where he's positive about a game do awful compared to the videos where he is complaining about something.
Also a lot of people conditioned them self to believe that games and movies can only be enjoyable if it is "objectively good" , while ignoring the fun they could have with it if they simply played or watched it. It is the opposite. Kids will literally watch anything and be excited about it, while Adults have such high expectations and act really entitled. Like they have less time then kids, so the entertainment they consume has to appeal to all their expectations and if it doesnt 100% do it, then they cry and are condescending as hell . Most UA-camrs have the worst takes on movies and video games, because having an actual reasonable opinion wont make them a whole load of money. They act like arm chair film and game critics and are such snobs
Yeah, man. I think you're just in the wrong circles. I've seen people trash Starfield just because. And its honestly tiring to know that no one on the internet wants anyone else to have a good time, or more importantly be correct or right unless they are part of the same echo chamber. I play Starfield on the Series S and have no problems with it. Everyday I look forward to that hour or two of just messing around in space in a way that I personally enjoy. No game is perfect, as well as is for everyone. I used to be an avid player of Fallout 76 until a few years ago and saw its transformation from a buggy mess to what it is today, but even at the start I didnt really care if it had its issues and neither did the friends I played it with. We just wanted to play Fallout with our buddies and that is exactly what we did, flaws and all, and we had a blast doing it.
Bethesda games have 1 of 2 responses, no inbetween. The first is: Haha funny buggy game The second being: Ew Todd Howard buggy game Personally I like Starfield, it's super fun despite the flaws, and that's way better than a polished, but boring masterpiece.
Not just because, it's because the game is insanely boring, I've never played something this hyped this boring ever, there's zero actual exploration and 50 loading screens every quest.
I cant wrap my head around people playing games they say sucks. When Anthem came out, endless articles or videos where people rant on how EA needs to fix Anthem and improve it or else these gamers will be "forced" to suffer. And here I am thinking: Why are you still playing it then? When I see a game has serious problems, the last thing I want to do is spend money on it. But people are like that. They have to play the popular game regardless of quality because its a big game from a big publisher.
I think you're on point here but there is a little bit of recency bias. The internet was absolutely all aboard the hate train for gaming even 10 years ago. Im a 'old man' too and I remember constant hate all the time on youtube for games that both didnt deserve it and games that absolutely deserved it. Especially during the "Gamer gate" fiasco. But this video, and all these points are still true today so these feelings are still valid
Early video game personalities on UA-cam were known specifically for raging at how "awful" a lot of games were. "Angry Video Game Nerd" wasn't just a channel name, it was a genre when I was growing up.
I have actually removed all social media beyond discord because of this shit. Amd it's not just video games, pretty much all online discourse seems to be negative since that gets the most clicks. Companies seem to push negativity because it makes them more money. The hotter the take the more interaction it gets, the worst the person saying it is, the more people are drawn to scream at them. I'm just tired, I want some funny memes to share, and that's it.
The more I look back on my time with Starfield, the more I realize it has the same problem that Fallout 3 had. There are a small handful of brilliantly written quests, with an ocean of mediocre quests that drown the good stuff out. Juno's Gambit is my favorite Bethesda quest of all time. It is truly brilliant, even if it rips off a scene from the first Star Trek film.
Wow, this video was really [quality adjective]. Especially when he mentioned [topic relevent to video] in [video game title]. Yea, he's always saying stuff, i remember that one time he said this thing, oh man Jk. I love your vids. And your right. Its all subjective, no one will like everything, and you are waking us up to it more and more. Thank you whimsu
I just haven't come across anyone able to articulate a compelling reason or feeling behind enjoying the game. To me it just seems like Skyrim but without the loot goblin dungeoning and the open world exploration. Or Fallout 4 without the loot goblin dungeoning or settlement system. I don't like either of those games, but for the people who do love them I hear about "how" they play the game to enjoy it, I haven't seen a "I skipped over the Starfield Main Quest and spent all my time doing ___" Except the ship building. People really seem to like that and wish there was more to do with ships.
I genuinely can't tell if I watched this video before and subconsciously registered it as my default opinion on the matter or did this video just hit in exactly my opinion. I've been getting "Starfield bad" videos in my recommended over and over and over again recently, to the point where I just start to ignore and block them so that algorithms finally stop on pushing them on me. People seem to have such a stupidly zealous reaction over an... average game. I've been playing Bethesda games for two decades now and I know perfectly well that all their games are just glorified AAA dungeon crawlers, that their design philosophy is cutting corners and their engine is barely working sandbox holding on old gum and good hopes, but every damn person still wants to read me an 40 min essay on how Bethesda is bad because their new slop is not actually a gta in space.
As an adult who spends alot of time online, the Internet negativity sink pushes me back into real life. It's probably a good thing that the Internet doesn't seem capable of being positive.
One thing with growing up is what You mentioned. Second thing is acepting that your trash is another man's treasure. I really like that people don't like Starfield, beacuse for me Bethesda did not make a decent game since 20 years. I love Morrowind. It was masterpiece, but I dodn't like anything Bethesda made after. But I can accept and respect, that my vision of good entertainment is different from other people vison. But another thing in this whole negativity about AAA games is fact that they are not what they used to be. Not inovative, not creating new genres or at least new gameplay ideas. They are mainly cashgrabs. But I'm happy that at least we have tons of indie games, that are trying.
Maybe this has just been the things I've been following online, but it feels like years since I've seen any console wars tribalism. Compared to the unending culture wars tribalism, though, hearing about people hating Starfield because it's an Xbox exclusive feels like a nice, nostalgic breath of fresh air.
Everything before Fallout 76 is of varying quality but decent to amazing, everything from then on is just dissapointing at best. New Bethesda is like the newest album from a band you used to love that for various reasons just doesnt have the magic anymore
I love the opening cause bro was just being honest about how he’s making videos. That alone will make me watch/listen. Like screw it just let’s hear your opinion on the game. I don’t need the bells and whistles
How can someone like Starfield but not like The Elder Scrolls or Fallout? They are so similar in gameplay, Fall Out is just Starfield in a nuclear wasteland, and The Elder Scrolls is just Starfield in a fantasy world.
The past year hasn't been people moving on so quickly from good games. It's just the volume of major games has been high. When Elden Ring came out it had nothing major around it, all the games you mentioned got a few month buffer zone between another dope ass release.
Gaming blew up. Gaming went from nich, to out grossing sports and movies combined... So no, every game wont be your dream girl. Sorry. But only us adults will get that. Love ya Tyler
hey man I'm older than you and I miss when you used to review frasier and scooby doo and stuff. And I thought you were moving to this kind of content because you liked it and I put up with it because of that. Go back to reviewing scooby doo and frasier and s**t
One of the reasons why I like UA-cam is because we see that raw, unedited charm. Less is more. Maybe that's just me. You're charismatic enough to just talk.
The main disappointment with starfield for me is the fact you cant fly around on each planet or physically land your ship yourself. Instead its just cut scenes coming to and leaving from planets. Big let down i must say.
I would have liked Starfield a lot more if i haven't played much Elder Scrolls or Fallout games, By itself its not bad, but for the studio this def feels like a regrecion
Basically, the toxic kids that abused people on Xbox live chat are now abusing the game company’s because they don’t have anyone to shout at in a COD lobby now
People nowadays judge games based on what they expected (which is usually a hyped up version of it), not for what they are. It's not entirely the devs' fault, people often take some vague promise and hype it up even more. Cyberpunk was a great example of it. People expected an RPG with an interactable immersive world, but we instead got a great action game with shallow RPG elements which was still very immersive but for different reasons (excellent characters, story and environments). People just focused on what they thought it would be, saw it wasn't it, and trashed it without judging it for what it is. Sure, bugs and crashes were there too, specially on last gen consoles, but I wouldn't even knock a point off a game's score because of that as long as they don't make me lose an hour of progress
also lets not forget that cyberpunk came out unfinished and rushed due to executives deciding to launch the game way before it was ready it took three years for it to become playable and they had even launched it in a console that couldnt actually run the game it wasnt only hype that caused damage here, they promised too much and released it too early
I mostly agree with you, HOWEVER, CDPR mislead people by showing the only quest with multiple paths and solutions, while it was the exception, not a rule. I mean, I get it, you want to show your most well-designed quest when you showing off your game, but it creates a certain expectation and it's only your fault. And it is natural that people expected this design, because previous titles from cdpr did deliver the exact same thing. I do love CP2077 though and I will go for a second playthrough in a couple of days.
@@FantasmaNaranja "unplayable" is an exaggeration unless you're talking about last gen exclusively. It was always playable on PC, PS5, and XSX, and the story and characters have always been the same. I wouldn't call having some visual bugs or a couple of crashes that made you lose 5 minutes of progress "unplayable". Even in it's unfinished state, it was a better game than most AAAs nowadays
@@victoryep man dont defend the dudes who released their game on a console they knew couldnt run it you can find better games than most AAA releases nowadays with indie games that cost 20 dollars, a 60 dollar game from a trusted developer had no excuse coming out in that state
You don't have the time to edit the videos and we don't have a time to sit through a one minute intro where you say you don't have time to make videos at the beginning of every video
The " "mainsteam-pop-culture"-video-game-TurdTalkers" are meaner now because they are a shrinking group. Everybody has their personal video game reviewers they trust, That shrinks the activity around "mainstream" video game conversation spaces And leaving the mainstream channels to cater to the TurdTalkers who want to be mean. Whimsu is just trapped in that Turd-Zone because it's their job to know it. The same thing is happening to all other art forms, movies, tv, music, Nobody has to care about who is dating the stupid popculture singer because they are listening to their obscure music genre like Phonk, or pendulum or Jump-style.
You _do_ know normies are an actual thing, right? There's a reason bs celebrity gossip sells, and not just among the 50+ demographic. Normies will _always_ be a thing because lots of people truly enjoy turning their brains off from life in general and going about in auto mode
it is genuinely strange seeing how many good games are coming out recently, and yet starfield is getting all the attention for being bad when (from what ive heard) its not even that bad, i think the main problem is that bethesda (maybe intentionally or not) and the audience hyped it up to be a space game kinda in the vein of no mans sky, but bethesda-y and people are mad since it isnt really that at all. i feel like the main reason the internet is so different nowadays is because, especially with the popularity of shortform content, so much information travels so quickly so if a game is good people will be like "its good" for a bit, but eventually you run out of things to say. but with a bad/controversial game, you can create arguments and debate over that which causes longer discussion on sites like twitter for example which kinda thrive on that negative engagement. idk if i worded that well but i hope that all makes sense
I think the audience assumed it would be like that. Bethesda actually did a decent job of tempering those expectations (including an hour long preview at the Xbox show this summer) but no one really listened.
Any adult fan of Bethesda games understood what to expect (for the most part). You could quibble over just how extensive the space flight would be or other details, but we knew what was coming. Children don't have that context and love to participate in a hate train whether they know it or not. Then you have the kids who binge a massive game like starfield in a week and decide that hundreds of hours of obsessive entertainment isn't actually worth the money they spent. When you have others like me who will play this game for months because we have to play it when we have the time or love just playing with the systems and modding. It really is important to remember that most of the people complaining are kids. Consider the manufactured controversy that was the invisible world spaces, where a portion of the planet is loaded at a time due to engine/performance limitations. They decided this was game breaking before the game even came out despite actual reviewers telling them it wasn't something noticed or an issue (they are larger than the skyrim map). It's the same mentality that spawns the console war nonsense, they need to be on a team to feel validated about their purchases, often because they can't afford to invest in alternatives, or they need to be part of a group to feel involved.
Just normal console are stuff, if the game was a 10/10 youd never hear xbox fans shutting up, and if it was anything below an 8 youd never hear sony fans shutting up
@@wendtchrYep. To be fair Bethesda games all sort of fit in the same mould. I haven't played Starfield yet but I kind of knew what it would be. I think many people just point to Fallout 76 (even though it was made by Battlecry and not Bethesda Maryland) as "Bethesda games bad." They have their problems and I think their game design can be a bit dated but they aren't the worst things ever like others would have you to believe. Starfield seems perfectly fine, just peppered with the usual Bethesda jank. Still less buggy than Cyberpunk at launch.
@@wendtchrWhile you are correct that anyone with common sense knew what to expect, that doesn't excuse deceptive marketing. From what I've seen, very little of the outcry over the planets being loaded in chunks was complaining about how game breaking/ruining it was; it was over the lie by omission/deliberately ignoring the context of the question. Additionally, dismissing criticisms based on the ratio of cost:playtime is ridiculous. That'd mean free to play or freemium games would be entirely immune to criticism, no matter how poorly constructed it is or how predatory its monetization practices are; or even that Star Citizen's $1k+ ships are worth it because of how much their owners played it. To be clear, I can't be assed to be upset over Starfield, since it seemed obvious that the engine was never designed to handle No Man's Sky/X4-esque mechanics; and, fighting against/complaining about disingenuous or misleading marketing has been a futile struggle since at least the start of the seventh gen. However, with all due respect, I will point out the irony of saying "It's the same mentality that spawns the console war nonsense, _they_ need to be on a team to feel validated about their purchases" immediately after saying "Then you have the _kids_ who binge a massive game like starfield in a week and decide that hundreds of hours of obsessive entertainment isn't actually worth the money they spent [...] It really is important to remember that _most of the people_ complaining are _kids_ ." while in the comments section of a video that writes a large swath of critics as salty Sony fanboys. You can love something the vast majority criticize, without having to ascribe ignorance, malice or immaturity to its critics. The same way its detractors ought not criticize people who enjoy it. I say this as someone that *loved* Cyberpunk 2077, even at launch.
I have been enjoying starfield. Beginning was kind of slow but was interesting to explore. Side Quests/Mission have a lot of content that I thought was fun to play around with. Main quest became quite a slog, but "post" main story definitely has me curious. Cannot really explain without the spoilers.
Negativity will always stick more in the memory of people and attract more attention. I believe that for how media works (people get attracted by over the top titles) and our brains (is better to remember something that " harmed "you that something that tasted good for example).
Honestly I think you have the best take on this. I was really trying to make sense of the discourse changing around the gaming industry and it makes so much sense. The massive influx of always online children and older content creators that want to make money off of that audience have to push the same negative or positive opinion about something. Which makes things really negative when your target audience is always unhappy because they want every game to match incredibly unrealistic expectations. As an adult with a job and hobbies and responsibilities I don't have the time to always be online complaining about things or devouting myself to playing video games for 8 hours. I do it to have fun and I play only games that I enjoy. Starfield is one of those games.
I feel a large part is also due to the insane growth of internet useage. Go back and discourse on the internet was, to a large degree, had by hobbyists and people generally invested in what they were talking about, because they had issues finding people to talk with about these topics irl. Nowadays internet has become an integral part of modern society, and whith that more people joining discussions will only have surface level understanding at best. Now I'm not saying "normies get off the internet reeeeeeeeeeee" but the fact is that the environment has changed to such a degree that you can't really compare todays internet with earlier internet
One of the biggest things... It used to be to use the internet you had to be at home on your computer and you had to know how to use that computer. Chat rooms like IRC took a tiny bit of knowledge to get on. Now everyone is chronically online with internet in their pockets. Also people were generally nicer, like I maintain that Reddit was great, until 2016 (which coincides with the release of the mobile app), you used to be able to have actual conversations even if you disagreed with someone now people only view issues in black and white and not the shades of gray issues really are. I have seen even politics get nastier and nastier... It's like people have completely forgotten what manners are.
@@Gatorade69 While I agree that the general attitude has gotten nastier I think it's less that people have gotten worse and more of it being another side effect of the crowd getting larger as we've already agreed upon. If you argue on a small forum you probably want to be there and know that being an insufferable twat will get you ostracised. If you're one tiny part of a massive crowd you don't need to mind your manners because there's no obvious negative consequence to just not. If anything being overly polarised may increase the odds of your voice being heard, for better and (more likely) worse
It's definitely not a perfect game by any stretch of the word, but for what it is it's been a nice game to just chill and play after I get home from work. Of course I'm also a huge space ship geek and I've spent a lot of time just trying to do ship designs I like. It's pretty much one of those games where you get out of it what you put into it, much like No Man's Sky, Morrowind, Deus Ex, etc. I'm really looking forward to what the modding scene does with this game in time.
Yes. All I see in Starfield while playing the game is the huge opportunity for modding, to the point that each planet can be modded into a new game with different mechanics. People complain about the loading screen, but it is a huge point for modding because they don't have to care about the zone transition. I think they can even port the whole Skyrim and Fallout 4 into Starfield if Modder wants to. Starfield modding will be wilder than Skyrim in 5 years.
I don't know man. Didn't seem like the was yelling at anything and actually had a nuanced take. Seems like it's more "Young kids yell at star(field)s."
honestly everytime Starfield has been bought up in my circiles of communication, its well liked. Usually among older people like you mentioned. I think calling a vocal minotiry "the internet" might be a bit blown out of proportions. Though I get that it can rub off that way.
Starfield could be the game that turns Bethesda around and does no wrong. I'll probably never know. I don't have the time to play many games like that and I bought all the Yakuza games for cheap in July. Maybe in 5 or 6 years, a consensus will form that gets me to try a Bethesda game again. Probably not. It's all fun and games, anyways.
I wasnt even aware that xbox vs playstation was still something people cared about enough to have a meaningful impact on the conversation. At least in the circles ive been in its not something that ive seen at all for years. Anyway, ive played starfield for like 20 hours so far. I feel no pull to continue playing it, but i still force myself to play it to try and extract the fun from it that it seems other people have found. If i ever hit the fun or interesting then i will be joyous.
It seems to be more, twitter's PlayStation diehards, vs PlayStation fans, Xbox fans, Nintendo fans and PC gamers. In other words, it's not the fans of fun, it's the plastic box shills on places like twitter, twitter, their mothers basements, twitter, and X (formerly twitter). So it's easy to miss them to be honest, since I left twitter, I've heard nothing about the plastic box happy slaps they take so seriously.
starfield is going to be fantastic in like 2 years with updates, dlc, and mods. No comment on how it is now, havent played it but its a bethesda game and i like bethesda games so i expect I'll have at least some fun with it lol.
Internet just loves extreme polarizing opinions that create engagement like just now youtube recommended to me video "Disney is Perfectly Happy With Their Catastrophic Downfall" with already 723k views in 7 days... thumbnail obviously have Mickey mouse with LGBT+ flag because you know, "woke" is destroying everything and shit, when in reality Disney was perfectly happy with not advertising Strange World (that have strong LGBT+ elements) so movie bombed in box office or cutted LGBT+ character in Onward's international (china) release.
Some people just really love to complain and be miserable all the time. That aside, while Starfield isn't of my interest, I found a lot of joy with Hi Fi Rush. That game made me feel happy like a kid again. Just enjoy, no problems.
This is really interesting actually. I don't have any interest in the game and haven't been paying attention to the coverage really. From the people I follow, I've only heard *mildly* positive things? Like, shrug, it's pretty fun, I guess? I can't imagine getting so worked up over a game like that. It's not that big of a deal
I do feel like Armor Core VI was barely talked about in the larger gaming sphere, its a very solid game the next title by FromSoft with their last game being elden ring that released last year, you'd think AC6 being the follow up from an absolute standout in overworlds it'd merit more discussion, but since it came right before Starfield and was considered decent to good, the mix opinion that Starfield received generated alot more attention
I can very easily say the Internet is ruining my enjoyment of this game. It seems to me people already decided the game would be bad so now they have to convince you it's bad no matter what or admit they were wrong which of course gamers will never do
This man just casually uploaded a video calling his viewerbase impulsive 14 year olds. What a legend
crazy to think i actually was 14 when i started watching his other channels now im 23
He’s not wrong tho
SA😅
Same
"like and subscribe. Bitches!"
That part about kids expecting things to be the best thing ever and adults having the absolute minimum expectations since they lived through more disappointment really hit home chief. You may be a purple cat but you're one hell of a social commentator
He's grey though
I remember back when I took anything todd or molyneux said at face value.
Purple?
@SparksProxGlad to hear you enjoyed it, but still there is good reasons to affirm that the game was overall bad. Besides the poor kids angle, there is also the angle that it had the expectation of being the first proper AAA exclusive system seller for Xbox , as the video cat host mentioned. It being a good enough aaa of a niche genre really can not compensate the high and different expectations the marketing guys fostered, and fans and pre order consumers hoped . A system seller had to have very different content in it, and more developed. Even a single player Halo 1 in 4K remake would have been a much more reasonable attempt at making the system seller for Xbox.
Is whimsu actually a cat???
I hope the Whimsu channel doesn't fade away. The console variation videos are some of my favourites, and the movie explanations/reviews are hilarious.
Make sure to download them all, and store, just to be safe. Very many UA-camrs have been delisted or deleted themselves their old videos or entire channels already.
I know I can count on my 720p collection of whimsu and knowledgehusk.
Same
That's OK. I'm not going to review Starfield either.
everyone should pull an AVGN and just announce when they don't review things
Dear @what1fun1v3rs3 I am not going to review any games, as I am not game reviewer. Thank you
It was hilarious when people got mad at that
That, and talk about how you're too busy, ha ha ha
Usually turns out great. “This is not a review of Far Cry 6” by DJPeachCobbler is a personal highlight
All good as long as you don't announce your channel will be run by Screenwave media
The internet's been that way for a long time. Why didn't people talk about the new GoW or Zelda? Because they were sequels. Why did everyone talk about Elden Ring? Because it was a brand new ip. Discourse might've gotten worse on Twitter or something like that but so did the videogame industry as a whole. It's not just children who like to complain, it's also jaded adults. When a game as big as Starfield doesn't deliver for a sizeable portion of the audience, they're gonna complain, and the angry minority is always going to be the loudest (now imagine if they aren't the minority).
Also for the content creators aspect, let's not be oblivious to the fact that most big reviewers are just shills, there's more forced positivity than negativity in these big channels.
6:13 Hi-Fi Rush came out like 7 months ago, great game, very well made and barely had any bugs, amazing soundtrack too. Haven’t seen a single video on it that wasn’t made a few weeks after it’s release back in like April.
I don't remember people making Doomn 2016 videos more than a month after launch either though.
Most games fall out of memory pretty quickly. Like, Among Us -> Fall Guys -> Lethal Company are the only games I can think of that stick around for a year before being replaced by the new thing.
I'm 25 and the part you said about the internet being full of children really hit hard. I feel so out of place when I go read online discussions and it's all discussing some literal whos, like that penguinz guy, or xQc or whatever other streamers or tiktokers, I have no idea who those people are or why their opinions are so highly regarded by so many. But that's just it, you literally answered it later in the vid, they just regurgitate the mainstream reddit front page correct speak, thus everybody who spends 15 hours online claps, and who does that? 14 year olds.
It all adds up.
It hurts to feel this way as I was very into the growing internet culture as I was growing up, it was so chaotic and unpredictable, and now it's all so bland and sterile.
At least now there's time to enjoy video games instead of doomscrolling.
It isn't just that there are more kids on the internet now, it's that they treat it like THEIR space. I remember when I was a young teen and it was VERY different: you were expected to fucking behave yourself. The internet was an adult's space, not kids'. Now they act like little shitheads and then cry "OMG UR LITERALLY HARASSING A MINOR OMFGGG FUCKIN CREEP ADULT!!!" if you tell them to act with an ounce of decorum. 😂
"It was an adult's space." I mean, kind of. There was plenty of kids online but they mostly stayed on kids sites like Club Penguin. Also now I have seen plenty of *actual* Boomers be chronically online and act just like damn children.
@@DDRWakaLaka Yeah, I'm 26 years old and nowadays the Internet makes me feel like Methuselah. That said, excessive social media is psychological poison (I only use YT sparingly and comment rarely), so kids being on here doesn't matter to me anyway. Extra reason for me to log off.
@@Gatorade69 This is also true. There needed to be some degree of computer literacy (and literal literacy, hah) back then. Now any idiot can log on and do whatever.
@@DDRWakaLaka Yep. Totally agree.
I remember CGP Grey made a video about emotions and social media is fueled by anger. If you make people angry you can get way more clicks than if you share something positive. This really effects everything from general discussion to politics to media. That’s really why you don’t see too much positive discourse anymore, because the negative will always overshadow it.
A UA-camr I watch made a video talking about a game he loved, and straight up mentioned how videos he makes that are positive do much worse than the negative videos. Personally I'm tired of all the negativity. Modern gamers are just toxic crybabies who wallow in negativity.
@@Gatorade69those "modern gamers" are the minority. the majority of gamers are just people who just play games they like and rarely actually talk about it online.
the thing is even now the majority of people still dont actually interact with strangers online, they watch or read what they want and move on with their day. the people actually actively having "discourse" online (mostly just yelling at each other) are the minority that dont have anything better to do
@@reethardio6432 Yeah and plenty of "gamers" only play Madden and CoD. I've seen it on multiple websites and sure, they may be a minority but they are a vocal minority who are vocal enough to cause harm (like review bombing a game they don't like, or sending a voice actress death threats).
I just recently realised the hive tribal mentality and shit. Just unsubbed from every review sites, "sceptics" and shit like that and guess what, come on guess. I...enjoy...life now. I look at everything in the internet as an outsider and this shit wild bro. People tuning into people who say exactly what they want to hear. Filled with half truths served as facts and whole thing feels like looking at a circus but everyone watching are the clowns.
People, channels, media, all of them giving their opinion and quoting comments and tweets to make their point, which then prompts people to comment more aggressively. It's taking the echo chamber and turning it up to 11, and people just keep engaging.
I *never* used twitter because I saw it as an absolutely *pointless* waste of time, and for years it baffled me the effect it had on people. Humanity as a whole needs to outgrow that sort of human interaction and media consumption, but it won't. At least not for a very, very long time.
One of the best channels with most interesting perspectives on UA-cam. There are loads of games, movies and media I loved as a kid that the internet hates. Don't be a sheep and give into the internet hivemind. Love what you love and don't be a normie.
You should be willing to hear other people out, especially if they don’t like what you like.
I love how even when you're specifically trying to do as little editing as possible, you still put so much more effort in than most other online pundits. Love the channel, keep up the good work
Your theory about the discourse about good, bad and mixed games helped me understand why Tears of the Kingdom came and went and no one was talking about it, but discussion on Sonic Frontiers is still strong, and got stronger because of the mixed reception of the Final Horizon update.
Also, I noticed games like Elden Rings are often only brought up in online conservation when it is to compare to a poorly receptived game. Very few people talk about Elden Ring on its own, there's always another game being compared to it.
I think you're too optimistic on this "it's the children" hypothesis, there's so many adults who behave like this
I personally think this behavior is a form of escapism, getting mad at video games is a source of dopamine that occupies your mind for a while, there's a reason if "the gamers" often overlap with tinfoil hatters
Or... Some people really never grow up. I've seen it with my family, they still act like spoiled children even though they should be wise in their old age.
Your intro about editing made me want to point out that your actual title sequence is still one of the best I think I've ever seen. I mean, it's actually a little painful how hard it goes given how short it is, but the brevity is key. I've checked you out on soundcloud and I genuinely love your sound, it just fills a certain need I have deep within me for distorted yet melodic sounds.
I have a theory that parents just gave all the children their own phones and social media to scroll during the big coof and didn't take them back after the coof was done, and that's the reason the internet has been infested by annoying children for 2-3 years
IMHO, it isn't just that there are more kids on the internet now, it's that they treat it like THEIR space. I remember when I was a young teen and it was VERY different: you were expected to fucking behave yourself. The internet was an adult's space, not kids'. Now they act like little shitheads and then cry "OMG UR LITERALLY HARASSING A MINOR OMFGGG FUCKIN CREEP ADULT!!!" if you tell them to act with an ounce of decorum.
@@DDRWakaLaka most people don't seem to have the concept of internet decorum seperate from IRL behavior in the first place. anonymity is on its death bed and whatever you put on the internet you mean it a 120%. no such thing as trolling for the lulz anymore, and that is so fkn sad...
I've felt this way about Minecraft for a while now. For the past few years it feels like they'll add something completely innocuous and harmless like frogs, and people (children) will lose their shit about how it ruins the game and that the devs are wasting their time etc. Has the internet always been like this, or have I just grown up? Or are modern social media algorithms just so efficient now at pissing people off and getting them to stay on the platform?
a mix of both tbh. whilst complainers have always existed on the internet (i still remember loads of them when i started browsing, and you can even find complainers from the 90s with a modest dig at old forums and google groups), i feel like it's a lot worse now because of how every corner of mainstream internet seems to love outrage-bait, be the algorithms, or the users themselves (especially the nanocelebrity kinds. the 5k follower jackasses whose online presences consist of brass opinions and reposting shitty memes), everything just feels like a massive outrage and bitching fuel
I think there's always been this side to the internet. Comic book guy's famous line 'worst episode ever' was directly taken by Simpsons writers from a forum where people were complaining about an earlier Simpsons episode.
@@HeyWhatAShiteUsername Exactly, and it's so bad with those nanocelebrities because it's clearly all about the hustle and growing a profitable channel for them. It's honestly so exhausting, but has also helped me with actually getting out their and touching more grass, because the alternative just isn't as appealing anymore.
I find it kinda fascinating that people perceive the discourse around Starfield as dominated by the inverse of their opinion (if they're a hater, they see it as a giant circlejerk about how great the game is; if they're a fan, they see it being unrightfully, universally bashed).
also didn't he originally claim to love (or at least enjoy seeing) this kind of polarization in his console wars video?
Yeah true, that second bit is a real mark on him, seems like he's picking and choosing a bit
Starfield is great! It's got 16 times the detail, and its 4 timrs the scale of fallout 4!
0/10 not enought John Denver
That is a pretty big problem.
I want to go on the record as loving your editing. What has been dubbed as the Goofy Era a year or so ago is gold
I feel like positive discorse has been more segmented into more niche communities. Like, Ive been seeing a lot of positive stuff about Starfield because Im into the Bethesda niche corner of the internet, where people are discussing stuff like New Vegas mods to this day.
I joined r/NoSodiumStarfield yesterday. I guess I am apart of that niche. I watch FNV mod channels and stuff like PatricianTV's 20 hour Skyrim video. Haha
@@iana1641 Yeah, same situation. I watch people like Juicehead and Oxhorn, so I get what you're saying
Ah yes the niche corners of the abused housewives 😂
PEW research says Twitter is mostly teenage girls and women. They also make up a lot of the gamers now too. Do with that info as you will.
All good, just a bethesda game in space.
It's just the fallout formula but in space, and that's all I wanted. Fucking loving it so far.
@@supernsansaexactly not every game needs to be a brand new ground breaking game. I just want to pig out on what I call video game junk food. It's messy but it's fucking great. I didn't come here for some new revolutionary 5 course meal.
I think part of it is because people were disappointed it’s Fallout 4 and games from the studio/publisher/whatever have been going down since. Whether the Creation Engine is good enough or not, people hoped those bugs/flaws of something like Skyrim/FO4 would’ve been addressed by now. But instead, they’re either still there and/or Starfield is more/less a new skin on an existing game than advancing the studio forward. That’s what I get from it anyway. Years of hoping they’d improve just to show they haven’t learned anything.
To be fair, I feel like the story writing and quest design have had a real bump up compared to their most recent entries, although I'm still 60 hours in and haven't seen it all yet. But so far, it feels like most quests have a good amount of options where it makes sense, and do well to convey some descent characters. It's no Disco Elysium, but I'd say it is a notable improvement.
Ironically, the game's biggest weakness so far is the environmental exploration, which is normally their strong suit. But then, that's mostly a result of choices regarding world gen. But eh, you win some, you lose some.
@@Descriptor413Oh wow. Actual fair criticism from someone that has actually played the game. Rare to see these days.
Personally I didn't really care about Starfield and kept my expectations really low and the game looks better than I thought it would be. Still haven't played it. I usually wait until something goes on sale before I pull the trigger and let some patches and fixes come out first. I just bought Resident Evil 4 Remake for like 45$ including the DLC. Starfield is on my radar as I genuinely enjoyed my time in Elder Scrolls/Fallout, Bethesda games are not perfect but they're not as bad as the whiners would make you think they are.
I mean a game that can hold your interest for 60hours and still have a lot more to see and do is a decent deal (especially on sale).
I wondered what his opinion was. Because I had low expectations for Starfield. But it looks fine, maybe Bethesda is gonna turn around. But there's *SO much toxicity. It's "the worst game ever", in a world where REDFALL exists!
I am the niche audience. I hated this game. I'm the kind of idiot that even put time into shlock like avengers, fallout 76, gotham knights. I spent hundreds maybe thousands of hours on Elder Scrolls and Fallout games. I hate Starfield so much. It was viscerally unpleasant and I wasn't even hyped for it.
I can't see what anyone can like at all about this game but I figure there must be something weird going on for the bipolar positive and negative reactions. Like how to some people cilantro tastes like soap and to others it tastes normal.
Dude it’s chill, i’m just glad you posted earlier
There’s one modern game with nothing but love: Deep Rock Galactic. Ain’t NO one complaining about that bad boy. Rock And Stone!
To Karl!
Rock and Stone!
Rock and Stone!
(I don't even play the game but I hope you guys get that "Dwarf Game" tag like you and Dwarf Fortress players deserve).
Man, I've noticed this too. It feels like the collective video game community has gotten either too defensive and protective, or more critical to a fault. I thought it was a reaction to the video game industry doing shoddy work, releasing things too early ect. End of the day though, it's an individuals responsibility to not let a game get them so heated they become blinded.
It's kinda why I've been drifting away from the video game community. It's honestly tiring
@@randomtinypotatocried yeah, if it feels like work the whole point is lost.
Simple editing or no, I’ll still watch. Your commentary is what I come here for, the seemingly “lazy” style of delivery is charming too
its funny listening to this guy talk wistfully about how much kinder gaming internet was 5 years ago... when gamergate was in full swing lol
As a 26 year old "adult" with a job, I still agree with you.
the kid adult argument probably boils it down to adults have had expectations ground down by years of disappointment where as kids still have hopes and dreams lol
That, and being able to deal with disappointment takes some emotional maturity - which lots of adults lack as well
The "I don't want a solution I want to be mad " Era. It's interesting to watch as projects come and go, especially those projects I'm not particularly into or even knew existed has a lot of discourse. It's all an interesting mess.
Internet anger is 100% at a boiling point. I know it's nothing to do with Starfield, but about a week ago, the head of live balance for League of Legends switched hands to somebody else who is relatively new to their balance team, and there was so much backlash to this decision that was actively made up (not to say everyone complaining was being irrational). Half of the complaints that fueled the anger were fake quotes, out of context statements, and people jumping to conclusions about things being tested early. And people ate it up just to BE angry about something.
it's like that everywhere in society now, everything is polarized and tribalized.
Funny how all of those problems would be almost immediately solved if one day facebook, twitter (or whatever bs name it's got whenever), instagram, and every comment section and forum on the internet literally vanished and wasn't replaced by anything of the sort.
Social media is a blight on humanity.
@@theautomaticfiendPeople only see in black or white (or red and blue) and not in the shades of grey things really are. People want to be offended, people want to be angry. I remember when you could have actual discussions and argue your points, there's none of that anymore. A UA-camr I watch straight up said that the videos he makes where he's positive about a game do awful compared to the videos where he is complaining about something.
5:11 how can you say something so controversial yet so brave?
I’m a fan of this style of content from you. Maybe Whimsu should become more of the “opinion” branch of your content compared to KH
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@@dstinnettmusic New Hampshire
I just listen to every video I watch on UA-cam, so I don't mind the minimal editing.
I like when the silly w cat talks. Any video with that is good
This guy knows what’s up
Also a lot of people conditioned them self to believe that games and movies can only be enjoyable if it is "objectively good" , while ignoring the fun they could have with it if they simply played or watched it.
It is the opposite. Kids will literally watch anything and be excited about it, while Adults have such high expectations and act really entitled. Like they have less time then kids, so the entertainment they consume has to appeal to all their expectations and if it doesnt 100% do it, then they cry and are condescending as hell .
Most UA-camrs have the worst takes on movies and video games, because having an actual reasonable opinion wont make them a whole load of money. They act like arm chair film and game critics and are such snobs
Yeah, man. I think you're just in the wrong circles. I've seen people trash Starfield just because. And its honestly tiring to know that no one on the internet wants anyone else to have a good time, or more importantly be correct or right unless they are part of the same echo chamber. I play Starfield on the Series S and have no problems with it. Everyday I look forward to that hour or two of just messing around in space in a way that I personally enjoy. No game is perfect, as well as is for everyone.
I used to be an avid player of Fallout 76 until a few years ago and saw its transformation from a buggy mess to what it is today, but even at the start I didnt really care if it had its issues and neither did the friends I played it with. We just wanted to play Fallout with our buddies and that is exactly what we did, flaws and all, and we had a blast doing it.
Bethesda games have 1 of 2 responses, no inbetween.
The first is: Haha funny buggy game
The second being: Ew Todd Howard buggy game
Personally I like Starfield, it's super fun despite the flaws, and that's way better than a polished, but boring masterpiece.
Not just because, it's because the game is insanely boring, I've never played something this hyped this boring ever, there's zero actual exploration and 50 loading screens every quest.
I love starfield. over 100 hours in and i'm nowhere near finishing a playthrough!
I cant wrap my head around people playing games they say sucks. When Anthem came out, endless articles or videos where people rant on how EA needs to fix Anthem and improve it or else these gamers will be "forced" to suffer.
And here I am thinking: Why are you still playing it then? When I see a game has serious problems, the last thing I want to do is spend money on it. But people are like that. They have to play the popular game regardless of quality because its a big game from a big publisher.
I think you're on point here but there is a little bit of recency bias. The internet was absolutely all aboard the hate train for gaming even 10 years ago. Im a 'old man' too and I remember constant hate all the time on youtube for games that both didnt deserve it and games that absolutely deserved it. Especially during the "Gamer gate" fiasco. But this video, and all these points are still true today so these feelings are still valid
Early video game personalities on UA-cam were known specifically for raging at how "awful" a lot of games were. "Angry Video Game Nerd" wasn't just a channel name, it was a genre when I was growing up.
Thank you for not playing the internet meta-game. The last thing we need is more Twitter/Reddit-brain opinions. I really appreciate your work.
I have actually removed all social media beyond discord because of this shit. Amd it's not just video games, pretty much all online discourse seems to be negative since that gets the most clicks. Companies seem to push negativity because it makes them more money. The hotter the take the more interaction it gets, the worst the person saying it is, the more people are drawn to scream at them.
I'm just tired, I want some funny memes to share, and that's it.
it's only going to get worse now that morons can farm easy click money from Twitter and Reddit. You've made the right call.
I like it when the cat says words
I love how straightforward you are with your process man. You're going to find a lot of channel growth just being genuine.
The more I look back on my time with Starfield, the more I realize it has the same problem that Fallout 3 had. There are a small handful of brilliantly written quests, with an ocean of mediocre quests that drown the good stuff out. Juno's Gambit is my favorite Bethesda quest of all time. It is truly brilliant, even if it rips off a scene from the first Star Trek film.
Wow, this video was really [quality adjective]. Especially when he mentioned [topic relevent to video] in [video game title]. Yea, he's always saying stuff, i remember that one time he said this thing, oh man
Jk. I love your vids. And your right. Its all subjective, no one will like everything, and you are waking us up to it more and more. Thank you whimsu
I just haven't come across anyone able to articulate a compelling reason or feeling behind enjoying the game.
To me it just seems like Skyrim but without the loot goblin dungeoning and the open world exploration. Or Fallout 4 without the loot goblin dungeoning or settlement system. I don't like either of those games, but for the people who do love them I hear about "how" they play the game to enjoy it, I haven't seen a "I skipped over the Starfield Main Quest and spent all my time doing ___"
Except the ship building. People really seem to like that and wish there was more to do with ships.
starfield sucks. we don't need you to tell us that it sucks.
I genuinely can't tell if I watched this video before and subconsciously registered it as my default opinion on the matter or did this video just hit in exactly my opinion.
I've been getting "Starfield bad" videos in my recommended over and over and over again recently, to the point where I just start to ignore and block them so that algorithms finally stop on pushing them on me. People seem to have such a stupidly zealous reaction over an... average game. I've been playing Bethesda games for two decades now and I know perfectly well that all their games are just glorified AAA dungeon crawlers, that their design philosophy is cutting corners and their engine is barely working sandbox holding on old gum and good hopes, but every damn person still wants to read me an 40 min essay on how Bethesda is bad because their new slop is not actually a gta in space.
As an adult who spends alot of time online, the Internet negativity sink pushes me back into real life.
It's probably a good thing that the Internet doesn't seem capable of being positive.
One thing with growing up is what You mentioned. Second thing is acepting that your trash is another man's treasure.
I really like that people don't like Starfield, beacuse for me Bethesda did not make a decent game since 20 years. I love Morrowind. It was masterpiece, but I dodn't like anything Bethesda made after. But I can accept and respect, that my vision of good entertainment is different from other people vison.
But another thing in this whole negativity about AAA games is fact that they are not what they used to be. Not inovative, not creating new genres or at least new gameplay ideas. They are mainly cashgrabs. But I'm happy that at least we have tons of indie games, that are trying.
Maybe this has just been the things I've been following online, but it feels like years since I've seen any console wars tribalism. Compared to the unending culture wars tribalism, though, hearing about people hating Starfield because it's an Xbox exclusive feels like a nice, nostalgic breath of fresh air.
Everything before Fallout 76 is of varying quality but decent to amazing, everything from then on is
just dissapointing at best. New Bethesda is like the newest album from a band you used to love that for various reasons just doesnt have the magic anymore
I love the opening cause bro was just being honest about how he’s making videos. That alone will make me watch/listen. Like screw it just let’s hear your opinion on the game. I don’t need the bells and whistles
How can someone like Starfield but not like The Elder Scrolls or Fallout? They are so similar in gameplay, Fall Out is just Starfield in a nuclear wasteland, and The Elder Scrolls is just Starfield in a fantasy world.
The past year hasn't been people moving on so quickly from good games. It's just the volume of major games has been high. When Elden Ring came out it had nothing major around it, all the games you mentioned got a few month buffer zone between another dope ass release.
Gaming blew up. Gaming went from nich, to out grossing sports and movies combined...
So no, every game wont be your dream girl. Sorry. But only us adults will get that. Love ya Tyler
hey man I'm older than you and I miss when you used to review frasier and scooby doo and stuff. And I thought you were moving to this kind of content because you liked it and I put up with it because of that. Go back to reviewing scooby doo and frasier and s**t
One of the reasons why I like UA-cam is because we see that raw, unedited charm. Less is more. Maybe that's just me. You're charismatic enough to just talk.
The main disappointment with starfield for me is the fact you cant fly around on each planet or physically land your ship yourself. Instead its just cut scenes coming to and leaving from planets. Big let down i must say.
I would have liked Starfield a lot more if i haven't played much Elder Scrolls or Fallout games,
By itself its not bad, but for the studio this def feels like a regrecion
Basically, the toxic kids that abused people on Xbox live chat are now abusing the game company’s because they don’t have anyone to shout at in a COD lobby now
i prefer the videos with editing and wouldn't mind waiting longer for them, but i am but a mere random pleb so you can do whatever you wanna.
Whimsu finding out that the loud voices on the interwebs are chronic malcontents.
People nowadays judge games based on what they expected (which is usually a hyped up version of it), not for what they are. It's not entirely the devs' fault, people often take some vague promise and hype it up even more. Cyberpunk was a great example of it. People expected an RPG with an interactable immersive world, but we instead got a great action game with shallow RPG elements which was still very immersive but for different reasons (excellent characters, story and environments). People just focused on what they thought it would be, saw it wasn't it, and trashed it without judging it for what it is. Sure, bugs and crashes were there too, specially on last gen consoles, but I wouldn't even knock a point off a game's score because of that as long as they don't make me lose an hour of progress
also lets not forget that cyberpunk came out unfinished and rushed due to executives deciding to launch the game way before it was ready
it took three years for it to become playable and they had even launched it in a console that couldnt actually run the game
it wasnt only hype that caused damage here, they promised too much and released it too early
Sounds like the Marketing team's fault to me. They know what they're doing.
I mostly agree with you, HOWEVER, CDPR mislead people by showing the only quest with multiple paths and solutions, while it was the exception, not a rule. I mean, I get it, you want to show your most well-designed quest when you showing off your game, but it creates a certain expectation and it's only your fault. And it is natural that people expected this design, because previous titles from cdpr did deliver the exact same thing.
I do love CP2077 though and I will go for a second playthrough in a couple of days.
@@FantasmaNaranja "unplayable" is an exaggeration unless you're talking about last gen exclusively. It was always playable on PC, PS5, and XSX, and the story and characters have always been the same. I wouldn't call having some visual bugs or a couple of crashes that made you lose 5 minutes of progress "unplayable". Even in it's unfinished state, it was a better game than most AAAs nowadays
@@victoryep man dont defend the dudes who released their game on a console they knew couldnt run it
you can find better games than most AAA releases nowadays with indie games that cost 20 dollars, a 60 dollar game from a trusted developer had no excuse coming out in that state
The disinhibiting effects of the Internet are bad all around. It is why our politicians sound like guys at a pub instead of... statesmen.
You don't have the time to edit the videos and we don't have a time to sit through a one minute intro where you say you don't have time to make videos at the beginning of every video
The only negativity I've seen about starfield were completely nounce stuff about pronouns.
As a viewer who is a decade removed from being an opinionated 14 year old on the internet, I apologize for my prior actions
The " "mainsteam-pop-culture"-video-game-TurdTalkers" are meaner now because they are a shrinking group.
Everybody has their personal video game reviewers they trust,
That shrinks the activity around "mainstream" video game conversation spaces
And leaving the mainstream channels to cater to the TurdTalkers who want to be mean.
Whimsu is just trapped in that Turd-Zone because it's their job to know it.
The same thing is happening to all other art forms, movies, tv, music,
Nobody has to care about who is dating the stupid popculture singer
because they are listening to their obscure music genre like Phonk, or pendulum or Jump-style.
You _do_ know normies are an actual thing, right? There's a reason bs celebrity gossip sells, and not just among the 50+ demographic.
Normies will _always_ be a thing because lots of people truly enjoy turning their brains off from life in general and going about in auto mode
it is genuinely strange seeing how many good games are coming out recently, and yet starfield is getting all the attention for being bad when (from what ive heard) its not even that bad, i think the main problem is that bethesda (maybe intentionally or not) and the audience hyped it up to be a space game kinda in the vein of no mans sky, but bethesda-y and people are mad since it isnt really that at all.
i feel like the main reason the internet is so different nowadays is because, especially with the popularity of shortform content, so much information travels so quickly so if a game is good people will be like "its good" for a bit, but eventually you run out of things to say. but with a bad/controversial game, you can create arguments and debate over that which causes longer discussion on sites like twitter for example which kinda thrive on that negative engagement. idk if i worded that well but i hope that all makes sense
I think the audience assumed it would be like that. Bethesda actually did a decent job of tempering those expectations (including an hour long preview at the Xbox show this summer) but no one really listened.
Any adult fan of Bethesda games understood what to expect (for the most part). You could quibble over just how extensive the space flight would be or other details, but we knew what was coming. Children don't have that context and love to participate in a hate train whether they know it or not.
Then you have the kids who binge a massive game like starfield in a week and decide that hundreds of hours of obsessive entertainment isn't actually worth the money they spent. When you have others like me who will play this game for months because we have to play it when we have the time or love just playing with the systems and modding.
It really is important to remember that most of the people complaining are kids. Consider the manufactured controversy that was the invisible world spaces, where a portion of the planet is loaded at a time due to engine/performance limitations. They decided this was game breaking before the game even came out despite actual reviewers telling them it wasn't something noticed or an issue (they are larger than the skyrim map).
It's the same mentality that spawns the console war nonsense, they need to be on a team to feel validated about their purchases, often because they can't afford to invest in alternatives, or they need to be part of a group to feel involved.
Just normal console are stuff, if the game was a 10/10 youd never hear xbox fans shutting up, and if it was anything below an 8 youd never hear sony fans shutting up
@@wendtchrYep. To be fair Bethesda games all sort of fit in the same mould. I haven't played Starfield yet but I kind of knew what it would be. I think many people just point to Fallout 76 (even though it was made by Battlecry and not Bethesda Maryland) as "Bethesda games bad." They have their problems and I think their game design can be a bit dated but they aren't the worst things ever like others would have you to believe. Starfield seems perfectly fine, just peppered with the usual Bethesda jank. Still less buggy than Cyberpunk at launch.
@@wendtchrWhile you are correct that anyone with common sense knew what to expect, that doesn't excuse deceptive marketing. From what I've seen, very little of the outcry over the planets being loaded in chunks was complaining about how game breaking/ruining it was; it was over the lie by omission/deliberately ignoring the context of the question.
Additionally, dismissing criticisms based on the ratio of cost:playtime is ridiculous. That'd mean free to play or freemium games would be entirely immune to criticism, no matter how poorly constructed it is or how predatory its monetization practices are; or even that Star Citizen's $1k+ ships are worth it because of how much their owners played it.
To be clear, I can't be assed to be upset over Starfield, since it seemed obvious that the engine was never designed to handle No Man's Sky/X4-esque mechanics; and, fighting against/complaining about disingenuous or misleading marketing has been a futile struggle since at least the start of the seventh gen.
However, with all due respect, I will point out the irony of saying "It's the same mentality that spawns the console war nonsense, _they_ need to be on a team to feel validated about their purchases" immediately after saying "Then you have the _kids_ who binge a massive game like starfield in a week and decide that hundreds of hours of obsessive entertainment isn't actually worth the money they spent [...] It really is important to remember that _most of the people_ complaining are _kids_ ." while in the comments section of a video that writes a large swath of critics as salty Sony fanboys.
You can love something the vast majority criticize, without having to ascribe ignorance, malice or immaturity to its critics. The same way its detractors ought not criticize people who enjoy it. I say this as someone that *loved* Cyberpunk 2077, even at launch.
I have been enjoying starfield.
Beginning was kind of slow but was interesting to explore.
Side Quests/Mission have a lot of content that I thought was fun to play around with.
Main quest became quite a slog, but "post" main story definitely has me curious. Cannot really explain without the spoilers.
Negativity will always stick more in the memory of people and attract more attention.
I believe that for how media works (people get attracted by over the top titles) and our brains (is better to remember something that " harmed "you that something that tasted good for example).
"Im an adult, i play on a pc"
Bro forgot he's 40 and plays videogames
I really appreciate the Pac-Man Fever jumpscare
Nothing wrong with making a very mid game. Has the positive of making other games seem better
Honestly I think you have the best take on this. I was really trying to make sense of the discourse changing around the gaming industry and it makes so much sense. The massive influx of always online children and older content creators that want to make money off of that audience have to push the same negative or positive opinion about something. Which makes things really negative when your target audience is always unhappy because they want every game to match incredibly unrealistic expectations. As an adult with a job and hobbies and responsibilities I don't have the time to always be online complaining about things or devouting myself to playing video games for 8 hours. I do it to have fun and I play only games that I enjoy. Starfield is one of those games.
Hate spreads far better than good feelings makes a lot more money too
What is the backing track that plays for most of the vid? Anyone know?
I love your art but honestly I'm 90 percent of the time I'm audio only on yt.
I feel a large part is also due to the insane growth of internet useage. Go back and discourse on the internet was, to a large degree, had by hobbyists and people generally invested in what they were talking about, because they had issues finding people to talk with about these topics irl. Nowadays internet has become an integral part of modern society, and whith that more people joining discussions will only have surface level understanding at best. Now I'm not saying "normies get off the internet reeeeeeeeeeee" but the fact is that the environment has changed to such a degree that you can't really compare todays internet with earlier internet
One of the biggest things... It used to be to use the internet you had to be at home on your computer and you had to know how to use that computer. Chat rooms like IRC took a tiny bit of knowledge to get on. Now everyone is chronically online with internet in their pockets. Also people were generally nicer, like I maintain that Reddit was great, until 2016 (which coincides with the release of the mobile app), you used to be able to have actual conversations even if you disagreed with someone now people only view issues in black and white and not the shades of gray issues really are. I have seen even politics get nastier and nastier... It's like people have completely forgotten what manners are.
@@Gatorade69 While I agree that the general attitude has gotten nastier I think it's less that people have gotten worse and more of it being another side effect of the crowd getting larger as we've already agreed upon. If you argue on a small forum you probably want to be there and know that being an insufferable twat will get you ostracised. If you're one tiny part of a massive crowd you don't need to mind your manners because there's no obvious negative consequence to just not. If anything being overly polarised may increase the odds of your voice being heard, for better and (more likely) worse
It's definitely not a perfect game by any stretch of the word, but for what it is it's been a nice game to just chill and play after I get home from work. Of course I'm also a huge space ship geek and I've spent a lot of time just trying to do ship designs I like. It's pretty much one of those games where you get out of it what you put into it, much like No Man's Sky, Morrowind, Deus Ex, etc. I'm really looking forward to what the modding scene does with this game in time.
Yes. All I see in Starfield while playing the game is the huge opportunity for modding, to the point that each planet can be modded into a new game with different mechanics. People complain about the loading screen, but it is a huge point for modding because they don't have to care about the zone transition. I think they can even port the whole Skyrim and Fallout 4 into Starfield if Modder wants to. Starfield modding will be wilder than Skyrim in 5 years.
"Old man yells at clouds"
AND I AGREE WITH HIM
I don't know man. Didn't seem like the was yelling at anything and actually had a nuanced take. Seems like it's more "Young kids yell at star(field)s."
honestly everytime Starfield has been bought up in my circiles of communication, its well liked. Usually among older people like you mentioned.
I think calling a vocal minotiry "the internet" might be a bit blown out of proportions. Though I get that it can rub off that way.
Starfield could be the game that turns Bethesda around and does no wrong. I'll probably never know. I don't have the time to play many games like that and I bought all the Yakuza games for cheap in July. Maybe in 5 or 6 years, a consensus will form that gets me to try a Bethesda game again. Probably not. It's all fun and games, anyways.
Starfield comes out and he suddenly doesn't have time. Kinda sus..
I wasnt even aware that xbox vs playstation was still something people cared about enough to have a meaningful impact on the conversation. At least in the circles ive been in its not something that ive seen at all for years.
Anyway, ive played starfield for like 20 hours so far. I feel no pull to continue playing it, but i still force myself to play it to try and extract the fun from it that it seems other people have found. If i ever hit the fun or interesting then i will be joyous.
It seems to be more, twitter's PlayStation diehards, vs PlayStation fans, Xbox fans, Nintendo fans and PC gamers.
In other words, it's not the fans of fun, it's the plastic box shills on places like twitter, twitter, their mothers basements, twitter, and X (formerly twitter).
So it's easy to miss them to be honest, since I left twitter, I've heard nothing about the plastic box happy slaps they take so seriously.
You will find no such thing in Starfield, it's dreadfully boring.
I'm sorry to say chief, your quest is futile. Game is incredibly boring, I was in the same boat as you but there is no joy to be found there.
starfield is going to be fantastic in like 2 years with updates, dlc, and mods. No comment on how it is now, havent played it but its a bethesda game and i like bethesda games so i expect I'll have at least some fun with it lol.
Maybe try pirate quest-line, I did enjoy it.
People love to hate. No matter what. Good, Hate. Bad, even more hate. Not even worth voicing things on the internet half the time.
You know you got a point there that only rich kids complain in the internet nowadays.
Internet just loves extreme polarizing opinions that create engagement like just now youtube recommended to me video "Disney is Perfectly Happy With Their Catastrophic Downfall" with already 723k views in 7 days... thumbnail obviously have Mickey mouse with LGBT+ flag because you know, "woke" is destroying everything and shit, when in reality Disney was perfectly happy with not advertising Strange World (that have strong LGBT+ elements) so movie bombed in box office or cutted LGBT+ character in Onward's international (china) release.
Some people just really love to complain and be miserable all the time. That aside, while Starfield isn't of my interest, I found a lot of joy with Hi Fi Rush. That game made me feel happy like a kid again. Just enjoy, no problems.
This is really interesting actually. I don't have any interest in the game and haven't been paying attention to the coverage really. From the people I follow, I've only heard *mildly* positive things? Like, shrug, it's pretty fun, I guess? I can't imagine getting so worked up over a game like that. It's not that big of a deal
I do feel like Armor Core VI was barely talked about in the larger gaming sphere, its a very solid game the next title by FromSoft with their last game being elden ring that released last year, you'd think AC6 being the follow up from an absolute standout in overworlds it'd merit more discussion, but since it came right before Starfield and was considered decent to good, the mix opinion that Starfield received generated alot more attention
I can very easily say the Internet is ruining my enjoyment of this game. It seems to me people already decided the game would be bad so now they have to convince you it's bad no matter what or admit they were wrong which of course gamers will never do
I have fun with Starfield
I'll have you know I bought my own PS5. I'm my own daddy now.
......Wait.