Walnut Doors Part 3: Vacuum Bag Glue Up
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2020
- In this video, I show how I glue up the shop sawn walnut veneer that I made with my friend Charlie Moore. Here, We are finally gluing the veneer to the frames of the doors. The Vaccum bag also proved to be a bit stronger than we imagined.
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Not gonna lie, tuned in because Ashley is so beautiful but subscribed because the channel is fun and interesting
What I like about this door series- is ... is your expanding your woodworking skills - not just turning - also a great way to show woodworkers what your capabilities are
I've been using a veneer technique that you may be aware of. It''s non-toxic, simple and works great without a vacuum or contact cement. Simply coat both surfaces with wood glue, let the glue dry and then use a iron as if it's hot melt glue. It works great and I haven't run into any problems.
That’s very interesting. I’ve got the vacuuming equipment but I would love the flexibility of your method. Any particular glue? I know that hide glue does respond to heat and hadn’t heard that about PVA glues. What range of thicknesses of veneer have you tried? Knife cut through shop cut? I wonder if the application of heat changes the adhesion of the PVA over the short or long term - but you obviously haven’t found any issues.
If you would be so kind as to offer more of your experiences in this, then I will certainly try it out. Thank you for posting
fastest way ( without commercial equip) to spread glue fir veneering is with notched trowel followed by 4-9" stand paint roller adhesive roller sleeve( West, etc ) or 4-5" L x 1" paint roller in foam or nonwoven outer( all previous at most paint/ hwd or hwd/ lumber yard( and of course online). I use for up to 5 x 10' with wood, bronze sheet, laminate
love that smile Miss Harwood
Nice to have a friend like Charlie!
Love your attitude, just because you haven’t, doesn’t mean you can’t 👍
Unibond One is the glue of choice
SO hope that y'all put in a call to the folks from the Guinness Book of World Records - surely you will qualify for "The worlds most expensive closet doors" - beautiful work - and what devotion to your craft. Thanks Ashley 😊
Was surprised to see you using flat rollers for the glue, I've always used a V comb scraper that gives slight ridges. When the veneer is squeezed on the glue has space to go then.
Charlie is a patient man. Looks great.
Great look, cant wait to see the finish, especially the hinging and door latches. Great videography top notch quality.
You and me both! hopefully it will happen soon!
A lot of VERY NICE and expensive tools along with some great expertise went into these doors. But imagine making these doors 100 years ago with hand tools!!
You could probably use the large plastic bondo spreaders and even drywall mudding knives to spread the glue over a larger surface than your used to in a short amount of time.
Hey Ashley. It wasn't the thickener that caused it to go solid. When you get a lot of epoxy in a cup like that it heats up causing it to "kick off" that's the difference between regular epoxy and 'deep pour' if you had spread it out over the surface before it started to get hot, it would have been okay and still had a long working time.
I dont know how she keeps that black shirt clean in the shop, but it sure looks good on her.
Ashley, you do so many things well so it's nice to see you make mistakes. It reminds me that you're human after all. Thanks for sharing the fails!
Interesting build. I see your friend Charlie subscribes to the theory that "if the right amount of glue is good, too much must be better"
Hi Ashley, I'm from Brazil and I always watch your videos, you are an amazing girl. Thank you for sharing your work with us.
Glad to see the progress! That went about as smoothly as I anticipated it would based on the previous episodes... Glad to see that both sides were veneered to balance the panels, and I look forward to seeing what they look like finished out.
F. A. I. L. = First Attempt In Learning! I love it❤️
Great video Ashley and Charlie! These doors will be beautiful when completed and in their new home. Looking forward to the next installment of this built!😊
Great product!
I love your channel, it's very interesting to watch how you work, Ashley is beautiful and well done as always
You can have longer working time with the epoxy if you use a larger shallow container to mix (it will generate less heat giving you longer working time). You could also incorporate the filler in the resin and hardner separately, combining the two focusing on mixing the epoxy and not the filler. I also believe West Systems has a even slower hardner but its more pricey and has limited temperature range.
don't ever mix the thickener into epoxy before the hardener, it can bond with hardener when mixing and mess up the ration, you would get fired from my shop or any other composite shop for that , yes slow or tropical will greatly increase working time. her mistake was she didn't get the epoxy spread quick enough. More mass, more heat, she would have had 1hour or so of working time if she dumped it out and started spreading it.
Ashley and Charlie
Excellent work
Best regards from Athens
Thankyou for these videos of Veneering. I only thought veneered wood was very thin. Keep up the good work 😉👍😊
Stumbled on this while exploring the concept of a solid core door with veneer. Two years on, did you have any issues with the veneer separating from the solid wood on the edges of the doors? That looks a lot more durable than veneer on the edge.
"Use your sandpaper like somebody else paid for it." I treat each sheet of sandpaper like it's the last one on earth.
They will be great !!!.
Как всегда, всё выглядит великолепно. Вы и ваши работы просто супер. )))
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I don’t normally watch your vlogs but this was recommended to me but with you both making these doors has been very good 👍gluing up I use a 100mm foam gloss roller.There is nothing wrong being a bit of a perfectionist but sometimes we put just a bit to much into it for the same results looking forward to seeing the doors in place you all take care 😀👍
It was a learning experience for you.
"I love sanding! Can't you tell?"
LOL! Everyone hates sanding!
At least the dust collection on the sanders was good!
Wow! That was a work and a half.
Everybody loves sanding.
Muy bien Ashley....saludosss
Sure would be interested in knowing what T-Square Charlie was using as it looks like the best T-square I've ever seen.
It’s a woodpeckers square
Top notch craftsmanship, and those walnut doors are absolutely beautiful.
I just found your channel,loved your video, i wanted to know if the door had any bending issues ?
I undestand the curse of the perfectionist... 👊
I'll remember this video the next time I struggle to assemble my IKEA furniture. Haha!
I simply cannot use West Systems epoxy here in Florida. It goes off too fast in this heat no matter how small of an amount I mix. I’ve had a small cup boiling from the thermal reaction and it was maybe 1/2 a cup. I’ll never use theirs again.
Can't wait for part 58 when they sand it.
I have used epoxy for kayak repairs and is building my second kayak right now. When I saw the size of your batch I was like "Damn Girl, thats a big batch...Go faster with the stirring and get that stuff spread out !!!! ".. And you dident :-)
This was the first time I have worked with it, I learned an expensive lesson
A ShopVac would pull the majority of air out of the bag much faster and then finish it off with the vacuum pump. Faster if time is a concern and less use of the vacuum pump.
I like sanding...call me crazy!
Good job! Enjoy the process...
Hi; great videos; Thanks! Do you know what te pattern is, on the wall behind your lathe (about 25:30ish)? It looks like an abstract flock of birds? I would like to recreate the pattern in a painting. Thanks; David.
Epoxy cylinder. Ashley now has something new to turn.
What kind of finish are you putting on the doors? Rubio monocoat?
Epoxy is exothermic, the larger the batch you make the more heat it generates. Unfortunately, curing is also generally expidited with heat, which causes a sort of chain reaction. Small batches are your friend...
This excactly! IIRC West Systems recomend mixing no more than 100g, or 200g in water bath, at a time. At least that is pretty common for laminating resins like this. If you mix in a very wide container, so that the epoxy has plenty off surface area to cool it, you can get away with more. Also, I reccomend you add the thickening agent before mixing in the hardener. That way you are not wasting your working time away mixing in thickening agent.
Timestamps for myself
7:18 Gluing intro
7:33 Epoxy
8:17 Cold press veneer glue
8:33 Task considerations
9:05 Mixing epoxy
10:21 Epoxy heats up from the chemical reaction with the hardener
Personal note: growing up, our across the street neighbour built small glass fiber yachts in his big garage and despite his decades of experience, a bit of resin mix would still catch fire every couple of years. Usually when he was forced to switch to an unknown brand.
11:10 don't put too much hardener in
Another personal note: I worked as a ship painter in my twenties. We would put slightly less hardener in than recommended. My country has very changeable weather, and you had to have that waiting time buffer if it started raining. It still hardened the same, just took longer
11:48 Cold press veneer glue
13:20 vacuum bags
Never tweak the amount of hardener in epoxy. Put in just the right amount.
Molto interessante il tuo lavoro. 👏👏👏👏👍👍👍🇮🇹❤️🇮🇹
What kind of eye protection are you wearing?
Looking great Walnut is a beautiful Wood thanks for sharing blessings to you and yours 🙏 stay safe, work safe and play safe 💞 Hug's
Thanks, you too!
What glue and bag have you used? kind regards
It's great(!) that you show the entire process - flubs and all, just like real people. You likely saved folks time and money by doing so. I wonder if you're at all struggling with the temptation to forego the pride of hanging doors made by your own hand and instead use store-bought walnut plywood? I suspect not.
So are these going to look like the Tigris Walnut Internal Doors I see advertised?
Какая молодец девушка, так старательно работает!
where do i find those plastic rolls with one way valve?
How does the plywood react to moisture compared to the veneer. Will it warp during seasons
The plywood will keep the veneer from warping. The veneer is just like adding another layer to the plywood.
Um super like 🇧🇷
What is the T-rule you are using in this video?
I guess I am not understanding why you would use a plywood core for that thick of a "veneer" its not really a veneer. veneer is 1/16" or less, by gluing that thick of laminates to plywood its going to expand and contact and be glued to a surface that won't which will cause issues. I can see it cracking over time I would have used a solid poplar core, I am not sure how you would glue the cross grain panels, I would be curious how it works. west system has a long open time until you use filler, that makes it set up quick. also use. an ordinary paint roller to put on the glue you can get it on much faster than those little rollers.
You didn’t look like you enjoyed this. It’s pretty obvious that turning is your passion, but it’s nice to get out of your comfort zone once in a while.
Need a nice handplane instead of that sandpaper for bringing it down to level!
Love watching your work Ashley , but I would have tried to talk
you out of this idea . Those doors are gonna
weigh a ton ! What a huge amount of work you put into them ! Wow !
I thought you were not suppose to wear jewelry in the shop right Ashley?
There are other epoxies other than west. A variety of working times are possible. Also, I think maybe you did something wrong with the epoxy. Not sure what. But I have used it in the tropics and if you hustle you can still get it deployed before it kicks off. Anyway, nothing wrong with using veneer glue for veneer. Maybe I used the "extra slow" hardener.
@Ashley, could you please answer some question:
Would you do it again that way? Are the results fine? Could you recommend that method to viewers?
What glue and bag have you used?
Thanks and kind regards 😊
"Could you recommend that method to viewers"? Well obviously, not unless the viewer has the equivalent space and equipment! How else could you use the same method?
the brayer is the only good way to spread glue evenly over large surfaces.
I would not expect filler to make epoxy set faster. That could happen though if there was too much hardener or if it was too warm.
It does make it kick off just a little faster. West system literature warns about this. It is not a huge difference but it does matter.
the epoxy cooking is a combination of too much in the wrong container. You can also mix it in a container and keep it on ice to slow curing. should have 30 mins or more with the mixture you used. Also, if you were a slight under pumped on either of them while mixing and slightly off, it will create a hot pot quicker.
Awesome job though.
"It's smoking", it will! It's a thermo setting plastic!
my favorite pro tip ,change your sandpaper like somebody else bought it . And its Festool to boot ,Cha-ching $$$
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It's a real bummer when the West System kicks off prematurely like that. Shameless plug - Mafell rails are much easier to connect compared to Festool (and Mafell doesn't tend to need a bunch of 3rd party accessories [ hacks ] to overcome product shortcomings).
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Got my bag caught in a vacuum once trying something new, well you don't know if you don't try
Fumed silica, yeah wear a mask.
Cracked me up, her first glue pour, careful, 2nd let it pour, like she's selling it.
I love most of your videos but this just got tedious and could have been edited down quite a bit. There was way too much repetitive video of spreading glue and cutting. Hopefully there is another video where you finish the doors and put a framework around them so we can't see the the multiple layers.
Good advertisement for not getting a sliding table saw.
What a delightful, beautiful, Southern woman.
nice job but many unnecessary steps made to achieve somethin that'll take have the time
If I was a younger man 🤔
...and gay.
TOO...MANY...ADS.
looks awful grain not running length ways
Good looking doors but almost 30 mins of video that could have been cut down shorter if you didn't slow the video down to a crawl so often. Had to skip through the parts where you slowed the video or I would have just closed the video on this all together...