Living Through the Hell of War | Kelsi Sheren | EP 446

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  • @DAYMENEA
    @DAYMENEA 6 місяців тому +294

    I love that sometimes Jordan has a lot to say, and that other times, like this, the guy listens with such a laser focused and thoughtful attitude.
    I get the feeling that he finds her utterly fascinating.
    She is

    • @camaleonsacor1618
      @camaleonsacor1618 6 місяців тому +17

      Yeah indeed, he is very quiet in this one. How couldnt he be? I would listen to this woman for days. So much energy omg.

    • @sebwoz8766
      @sebwoz8766 6 місяців тому +8

      Very respectful interview.

    • @journeywithin9155
      @journeywithin9155 6 місяців тому +9

      She’s such a great story teller. Very captivating.

    • @bobpark2779
      @bobpark2779 6 місяців тому +2

      He didn't have much choice. She spoke as fast as Ben Shapiro.

    • @fractalmadness9253
      @fractalmadness9253 6 місяців тому +4

      I believe this is the interview format where he also works as a listening therapist. That conversation he had with Jocko was also amazing.

  • @iamlaolujames
    @iamlaolujames 6 місяців тому +76

    I think this is one of Jordan’s greatest episodes.
    Thank you, Jordan.
    Thank you, Kelsi.

  • @n8howl
    @n8howl 5 місяців тому +26

    War is hell. Three months in theater and two of our brothers were MIA. A month later their bodies were found in Baghdad, mangled and abused. Our unit was hit hard and some of us never fully recovered from the trauma. My best friend/battle buddy took his own life. Why exactly? We'll never know. War spreads a darkness/disease that destroys the very essence of what it is to be human.
    We love and have compassion for our fellow human beings, but that love is lost when hate fills the spirit.
    Ready for this? GOD IS LOVE!
    God pulled me from the darkness to the light. Now I see clearly. Holy holy hallelujah! Praise God! 👏🏼
    King Jesus, come quick. We can't do this on our own. We need you. 🙏🏻
    God bless all of you! Praise be to the Creator, the Word of God, our Christ Jesus. 🙏🏻❤

  • @grammaurai6843
    @grammaurai6843 6 місяців тому +814

    As a female veteran, it's refreshing to hear women speaking up about the difference between men and women in the military. YES, women have a place in the service. NO, we do not belong in combat or direct engagement.

    • @dumbvedeoz
      @dumbvedeoz 6 місяців тому +58

      WHY then ask for equality, when clearly men and women are not equal?

    • @dadymadass
      @dadymadass 6 місяців тому +38

      ​@@dumbvedeozthat's from the 90'...now the sentence is no need for men😅

    • @mattmyers2624
      @mattmyers2624 6 місяців тому

      ​@@dumbvedeoz You think it's the people who actually feel driven to be in the military demanding that are asking for "equality" - or is it this fascist government manufacturing an ideological mob who's telling them there are potentially infinite genders, and anyone can do anything? While doing other things to gut and weaken our military, other government institutions, and the greater economy-society. The top command of the CAF will be going through Nuremberg Trials for their complicity in crimes against humanity - but for now they are still in their positions of power because of the Trudeau-NDP fascist regime.

    • @KaloyanNachev1994
      @KaloyanNachev1994 6 місяців тому

      @@dumbvedeoz It was obvious she's not one of those feminists. Why would you even ask that? Stop it with these Andrew Tate comments. If Jordan is teaching men anything, it is how to be a gentleman and take on the burdens of life. Embody that instead of assuming people's stances on things and attack them in order to portray how knowledgeable you are.

    • @chickenmonger123
      @chickenmonger123 6 місяців тому +12

      I don’t think that’s necessarily true. However there are complications you will have to work out. Instead of covering our ears and saying blah blah blah. No difference. No difference. No difference.

  • @uwaviator
    @uwaviator 6 місяців тому +76

    I was a Blackhawk pilot, also a female. Flew support missions in combat in Afghanistan, KAF in fact. This interview resonated with me for many reasons, not the least of which is how on earth to relate to people who haven't done these things. I did lose friends but not in the manner Kelsi did and I'm grateful for the information she's provided about her own recovery.
    I don't think woman belong in combat roles and have never felt i was being deprived in a support role. I was just happy to be able to serve my country-- which is a shell of itself at present. The differences between the sexes are never more apparent than in austere environments. I've never felt the depth nor range of emotions i did while there and hated every second save for when i was flying missions. Those were some of the best memories of my life but i would not go back.
    My husband on the other hand was a marine and he loved every one of his 8 deployments though the ripples of destruction of the human spirit from the horrific losses drop often.
    Dr. Peterson, thank you as always for this. I feel like God sent you to help so many of us make sense of the chaos and you find the right people to facilitate. ❤

    • @oldspammer
      @oldspammer 5 місяців тому

      There is a extension clip of this video of part of the DW+ part of the interview.
      Reference
      UA-cam The Horrifying Truth Behind MAID They Aren't Telling You Jordan B. Peterson Clips
      In that video around the 11 minute mark, she says something about selling out of Canada in a 2013 Canadian intelligence document that she read. Commenters there are asking what was it she read there? In 2013, Stephen Harper would be the only one leading the charge to act on the country's behalf, unless I am missing some information?
      We live in a very rigged and corrupted world system, and the more I learn, the more disappointed that I have been that people who should have been looking out for our best interests were actually the ones selling us out.

    • @oldspammer
      @oldspammer 5 місяців тому

      The latest fads in what garbage is taught in the education system could be traced back to its originators that germinated the schemes.
      --> Harrison Ford Rutger Hauer Daryl Hannah Sean Young Edward James Olmos "Blade Runner" 1982 Hollywood film directed by Ridley Scott
      Draining the swamp requires witch hunts.
      A modern day version witch hunt distinguishes who is guilty and who is NOT. This witch hunt is one that uses technological innovation to get to the crux of the matter--a method that loosens the tongues and can distinguish fact and deception--lie detection and information retrieval.
      Then it is just a matter of a systematic means of identifying the networks or hierarchies in their organization charts to strongly discourage whatever ideological subversion or demoralization that is happening as was accurately described and about warned by the former Soviet intelligence operative Yuri Bezmenov.
      Subversive funding for good or bad activity is either withdrawn or provided, depending upon what the subversives desire.
      Any honest medical scientists are very quickly fired from their jobs by having the funding removed from any of their projects. The world is a corrupted place. We need to drain the swamp of all of the instigators of such deception in an ongoing basis because the world is full of dishonest criminals.
      In Blade Runner it exposed just who is responsible for the ills that were happening in their midst.
      In the Blade Runner sci-fi film, the replicants were biological robots grown for military and commercial purposes to do dangerous jobs. Some escaped and needed to be tracked down. Newer model replicants were so similar to human beings that it required 200 or so questions before any idiosyncrasies in their answers would indicate that the given interviewee was indeed a replicant rather than a person.
      Such interview questions need to be asked to any potential dishonest person who is working to corrupt our various pillars of society to get them fired and punished for the various harms that they do on an ongoing basis.
      The physiological changes of the interviewee would be under close careful examination. The movie shows iris dilation under scrutiny. The brain activity could be monitored by an MRI medical scanner to examine the blood flows in the brain. It has been found quite some time ago that blood flows dramatically increase when the subject under study is being dishonest because they require thinking to develop scenarios / back stories to support their lies.
      A UA-cam video contributor determined that the organized network were trying to insure that no one smart was going to resist their ideological movement toward tyranny, etc. To do this they would instigate a cultural program that encouraged future generations of successively lower intelligence offspring be had by their ideological opponents.
      They would popularize dysgenics, hedonism, carnal lust, big dick energy, marital infidelity, divorce, bestial sex, interracial offspring, breakup of the nuclear family, even earlier mandated education of younger children, that genetics and evolution had nothing to do with intelligence, competency, or reasons why certain people were unfortunate poor unmotivated, lacking any agency in their decision-making process, or had low impulse control extreme violent tendencies, etc.

  • @jonathanpersson1205
    @jonathanpersson1205 6 місяців тому +111

    In this interview Jordan was really in his element. It is clear to see that he is a brilliant psychologist!

    • @WilliamSmithRedundant
      @WilliamSmithRedundant 6 місяців тому

      Unless you're a Democrat. Then it's nearly impossible.

    • @WheresWaldo05
      @WheresWaldo05 5 місяців тому +1

      I thought this was the worst i ever saw him. He didnt seem to know what to say or when to say it. Lots of akward silences.

    • @user-yb9hi3us4p
      @user-yb9hi3us4p 5 місяців тому +3

      @@WheresWaldo05 then you don't understand what was going on. there was nothing awkward about it, this was a very skilled clinical psychologist letting his "patient" talk and figure things out instead of trying to tell them what to do or think.

  • @jonahchikezie8347
    @jonahchikezie8347 6 місяців тому +43

    This has to be one of the best episodes so far. Her story is really inspiring. Bless her. May God continue to give her grace. 🙏🏽

  • @danieldoyle8646
    @danieldoyle8646 6 місяців тому +363

    As a retired firefighter, that was my concern when I had a 110lb female firefighter needing to pull me out of a structure. I’m 230lb. Not going to happen.

    • @ComedianDinger
      @ComedianDinger 6 місяців тому +31

      As a current firefighter I fear this, as well as our guys not being able to climb two flights of stairs with gear on…

    • @Melanie-ro6pl
      @Melanie-ro6pl 6 місяців тому

      ​@@ComedianDingerhonestly,, I'm curious to know... Would you say (from your view/experience) that That's the Majority of people/Soldiers today?? Or A Minority?... please lmk what you think and have seen personally. Because if that's the majority... then that's very scary and beyond concerning foreal.

    • @jonathanpersson1205
      @jonathanpersson1205 6 місяців тому +12

      @@ComedianDinger you need to have fitness and strength standards that eliminate anyone not capable of doing the job, if that standard prevents 70% of men and 99% of women from qualifying so be it.
      The police have a slightly different situation. Having 5-10% of the police force women is a good thing because the police have some roles that women are far better at. This includes body searches of women, interviewing rape victims or child victims of crime where a police woman is far less scary than a policeman. A lot of criminals will also confess things to a policewoman that they wouldnt admit to a man.

    • @JordanRClement
      @JordanRClement 6 місяців тому +1

      Also the Physical ability tests are designed as pass/fail rather than who’s the most capable… scary.

    • @ComedianDinger
      @ComedianDinger 6 місяців тому +5

      @@Melanie-ro6pl last year the department got rid of the mile run for the agility test to get on the department, now all you have to be able to do is crawl 30 feet and not screw up an interview….. also some things: 1. we’re at 24/30 people so we’re in need of help anyways. And 2nd, probably 6 people myself included, could run the mile in less than 10 minutes….
      So yeah things are bad, hypothetically speaking, we hired on a guy that’s close to 400 lbs, I’m only 2 years in so I have very little say but the captains argued, we need the man power, but he’s also going to miss out on most of the things we do, just because of his capabilities. Also we’re “understaffed” so when time comes and we’re full he’ll be one of the first to get let go
      I’m also on a small department and things tend not to get too catastrophic around here.

  • @jml7916
    @jml7916 6 місяців тому +45

    I'm retiring early from the CAF after 23 years. I viscerally felt this interview and had to wipe away tears more than once. You are not alone and thank God, niether am I.

    • @Eraktab
      @Eraktab 5 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for your service and sacrifices...
      However few, there are still a bunch of us who still feel this. Hopefully retirement treats you well.

  • @Milestonemonger
    @Milestonemonger 6 місяців тому +63

    My husband served 30 years in the Marine Corps. Unless you served, you don't understand the bond you form with your fellow soldiers, they truly become your bothers. My husband is 65 now, and it brings him joy to stay in touch with his fellow soldiers. Once a Marine, always a Marine 🇺🇲 Semper Fi.

  • @mikrostone3149
    @mikrostone3149 6 місяців тому +29

    I don't like watching war movies, but this needs to be made into a movie. She is totally amazing, beautifully broken but unbelievably strong. I admire her strength and resilience to speak up and to stay alive. She and Jordan make an amazing 'truth team'. It hurts to hear it but the hope is indescribabky encouraging. Thank you for standing up.

  • @innamakarenko4589
    @innamakarenko4589 6 місяців тому +33

    I'm a woman who served, but only briefly and never deployed. I also have been working with the military for the better part of a decade now. I read Kelsi's book a few weeks ago and hers was the first testimony about PTSD I was able to truly understand. I've heard others talk about their experiences and what happens after the physical danger has passed, and have certainly heard of service members committing suicide and never really understood. Kelsi made me understand, for which I am incredibly grateful. This understanding made me a better support for some people who are very dear to my heart.

    • @marshallcrouch3581
      @marshallcrouch3581 5 місяців тому

      Thank you Jordan. Thank you Kelsi . From one privileged to Council severe PTS syndrome Marines. Thanks for the inspiration Command Sergeant Boonie.( how are Althea and the kids , boonie? )

    • @marshallcrouch3581
      @marshallcrouch3581 5 місяців тому

      Correction. Command sergeant major Stone.USMC

  • @kateletourneau6512
    @kateletourneau6512 6 місяців тому +74

    Jordan asking Kelsi whether her trauma was more related to the horrific incident or her resulting hatred is such a GENIUS question.

    • @eli_escoto_
      @eli_escoto_ 5 місяців тому +2

      My thought exactly, I was taken back… brilliant!!

  • @x4tfxChallenger
    @x4tfxChallenger 3 місяці тому +3

    Thank you for your service Kelsi and thank you for sharing your story. Thank you Dr. Peterson for an amazing interview.

  • @etherashe5164
    @etherashe5164 6 місяців тому +37

    Helluva episode. Her discussion on TBI was extremely helpful because I've suffered tons of head trauma, and had no idea the symptoms I've been experiencing were caused by that. Now it's all making complete sense to me. Thank you Dr Peterson for creating and sharing this podcast.

  • @n8howl
    @n8howl 5 місяців тому +8

    This might in fact be the very Best Dr Peterson interview of all time! God bless! 🙏🏻👏🏼

  • @raymk
    @raymk 6 місяців тому +22

    The best episodes are always when Dr. Peterson only asks the right question succinctly, and let use listen to the interviewee as long as it takes.

  • @MichaelUnbroken
    @MichaelUnbroken 6 місяців тому +94

    I have had the privilege of interviewing this amazing woman on Think Unbroken Podcast. She's a great measure of both the power of the mind and the persuit of healing. Proud of you my friend.

    • @southboundguitar
      @southboundguitar 6 місяців тому

      She’s a lying pos. Anyone who was actually over there can spot her tropes from a click away.

  • @debicameron9130
    @debicameron9130 5 місяців тому +23

    I’m a veteran. Served 78-82 as a truck driver. At one time i 1980 I was assigned duty in an ADACG operation. We were loading C 131s bound for Iran. As a truck driver, I slept when I could in my truck being it was a 24 hr operation. The harassment from the infantry was a constant. Two of my fellow truck drivers noticed and feared for my safety. They pulled their trucks up next to mine so close that my doors wouldn’t open. That way I could sleep safely. I realized then that a woman had no place in a man’s occupation. If we had went to a combat situation, I would have gotten my fellow male soldiers killed. Not by my actions but by my presence being a female. Thankfully, Reagan negotiated with Iraq and Iran and we didn’t go to war. I have not changed my opinion. Women have no place in combat.

    • @StevenPacyna
      @StevenPacyna 4 місяці тому +3

      I 'm a Vietnam vet.The only women I ever saw were in a large city or sometimes as a nurse in a hospital. If I were a young guy now and I had to serve in a line unit as before I would refuse if there were women in it or if they draft women.I believe I would go to jail first.

  • @mihaelasjeverac8420
    @mihaelasjeverac8420 6 місяців тому +13

    I don' t remember last time I enjoyed this much somebody talking. Wow, she as person and her whole story are so interesting. Also, talking about social skills, amazing! ♥️

  • @debbiefrank571
    @debbiefrank571 6 місяців тому +21

    So vulnerable. Such strength. Lots of information to digest. Thanks Kelsi and Dr Peterson

  • @desertdinghy9833
    @desertdinghy9833 6 місяців тому +12

    This interview was fascinating to watch and absorb. The interaction between Kelsi Sheren and Dr. Peterson makes it the best interview ever on UA-cam. Canada is losing its most outstanding and most humane clinician over something as silly as passing social fads he rightly will have nothing to do with.
    I suffered for decades from PTSD due to serving as an ambulance EMT, firefighter, and Lead Fire Dispatcher for 25 years.
    I loved the ambulance the most. But it was also a toxic love affair. Los Angeles and Orange County are crazy busy on the ambulance and it is one of the most dangerous civilian jobs you can imagine. The pay is low and the stress is off the chart. In my time, 72 hour shifts were common and sleep was rare. If you've ever seen the Nicholas Cage movie, "Bringing Out the Dead," or read the original novel, that's what it's like.
    The nightmares and flashbacks were so real, they consumed you. I had PTSD so bad, I never realized it; it was simply, "my normal."
    It was common after finishing a shift to wonder how you made it after 3 days straight and why you were still alive and in one piece. More than a few of my colleagues could not say that.
    I have seen horror, grief, and my own blood-splattered uniform after bad calls, which were strangely also known as "good calls."
    It would have been great to talk with a psychologist like Jordan Peterson back in those days. We were expected to handle a call, clear it and get back in service for the next run. You were expected to "get your sh!t together and shake it off." I saw a lot of guys'crash and burn,' and no one seemed to care. All you knew was that there was a new partner sitting in the front passenger seat and you had to get him trained in all the things EMT school did not cover, ASAP.
    In dispatch, you were often the last person the caller talked to and you were with them, comforting them until their last breath. But you also heard a mother's cry of unbridled joy as you talked her through infant CPR, hoping the medics would arrive soon, then suddenly heard the wonderful cry of a baby as mom breathed life back into him.
    Watching videos is therapeutic and I am just glad that there is help for those who serve in both military and civilian capacities. They are no longer thought of as "weak" and "not able to handle it." There is now understanding and effective therapies available.
    My nightmares and flashbacks finally stopped when I turned to Jesus Christ. His soothing words in the Gospels of Matthew and John, along with His no nonsense admonitions that reflect everyday life and the temptations and sins it brings-things we all have to overcome, puts it all in perspective. I am literally a new, reborn man and who I was no longer is.
    I'm 72 years old and finally have the "Peace that passes all understanding."

  • @thevet2009
    @thevet2009 6 місяців тому +142

    Combat is a stark reality where the strongest, best-trained, and best-equipped forces prevail. Unfortunately, the simplicity of this formula for winning battles is often compromised by political considerations. Salute to all the combat Vets trying to find their way home.

    • @johnmalcolm3116
      @johnmalcolm3116 6 місяців тому +3

      Yes , very few politicians are aware about the ramifications military deployment incurs

    • @zaynevanday142
      @zaynevanday142 6 місяців тому +5

      @@johnmalcolm3116 and even less care 🔥

    • @johnmalcolm3116
      @johnmalcolm3116 6 місяців тому +2

      @@zaynevanday142 agree proven by the lack of funding to veterans care

    • @zaynevanday142
      @zaynevanday142 6 місяців тому +1

      Combat is 50% Training and 50% Luck 🍀

    • @thevet2009
      @thevet2009 6 місяців тому +1

      @@zaynevanday142 Luck is involved for sure..depending on the situation.

  • @niamhb14
    @niamhb14 6 місяців тому +19

    I so wish the “member exclusive” portion of this conversation could be made available for everyone to view. I was in tears listening because I so totally and completely understand what Kelsi was saying: her gratitude to you for being a heretic of our time (& J.K. Rowling, Helen Joyce, etc) and fighting a fight for our children and vulnerable adults. Such a powerful conversation.
    Just this week, my son in Grade 6 (11 years old) told me casually that his teacher taught/told the class what blowjobs are. I put a post on FB about it and only two women responded, both in favour of teaching children what blowjobs are.
    How has the world come to this? I cried later that night for the innocence our education system is robbing our children of but I was also so incredibly thankful to know that despite all our trials and tribulations of parenting that he knew he could speak openly and freely with me about it. He said there was one boy in the class who had no idea what it was and he said the look of shock on his face was so upsetting to witness.
    God help us all.

    • @seeker4wisdom
      @seeker4wisdom 5 місяців тому +2

      I'd never even heard of that until after I graduated from high school. That is shocking, indeed! Praying for all the children and their parents!

  • @officialwildcardadventures
    @officialwildcardadventures 6 місяців тому +101

    She sums it ALL up on why the Standard is SOOOOOOO important. It's not so we all looked pretty together.

  • @derks0
    @derks0 3 місяці тому +3

    you know, bravery is always thrown around a lot these days, but i think kelsi radiates it to inspiration on others

  • @hestieful
    @hestieful 6 місяців тому +7

    One of the best interviews you've done! This lady is extremely intelligent, diverse, creative, determined and such a role model just doing her thing! Wow, absolutely brilliant!

  • @DukeTrana
    @DukeTrana 6 місяців тому +59

    Hey Jordan, this is one of the best episodes you've produced in a long time.

  • @johnbolton9483
    @johnbolton9483 5 місяців тому +4

    Some of us are born to survive she is one of them. Amazing lady.

  • @kg0148
    @kg0148 6 місяців тому +7

    This is such an awesome interview. I am a woman with no experience as a service member but have great respect for our service members I am in awe after listening to her this was extremely eye opening.
    Yet another wonderful interview Jordan thank you

  • @Chris-ji4iu
    @Chris-ji4iu 6 місяців тому +4

    The level of honesty from Ms. Sheren is profound. This is exactly what is needed from all of us.

  • @dwightmacintyre5167
    @dwightmacintyre5167 6 місяців тому +10

    God bless this woman, she clearly needs deliverance.

  • @matisseman
    @matisseman 6 місяців тому +10

    This was great. She's a very good communicator. So grateful for these people.

  • @VestaRoleplay
    @VestaRoleplay 6 місяців тому +54

    I just enrolled in the CAF, doing my hand on bible tomorrow. This is the first episode i've watched in its entirety since I've known JP (2021). Such a great conversation. I'll try to be a force for change in the CAF -- even though I signed a document that states I can get fired if I cause prejudice to the armed forces, I will speak truthfully about DEI with empirical evidence. Thank you for the conversation JP.

    • @adamhope8689
      @adamhope8689 6 місяців тому +1

      Get out while you still can. All the good people have left the force. Good luck.

    • @VestaRoleplay
      @VestaRoleplay 6 місяців тому +9

      @@adamhope8689 Thanks, I can't let Canada down like that. Born and raised, will die for the country.

    • @zaynevanday142
      @zaynevanday142 6 місяців тому

      @@VestaRoleplay why ? The TruDolf Government is giving it away to illegal foreigners

    • @JulienDeon
      @JulienDeon 6 місяців тому

      wish you all the luck but sadly the first time you even show a hint of dissidence you will face disciplinary and possible discharge, your voice means nothing in there!
      you should have spoken with some of the recent hoards of active combat vets. you have signed yourself over to the state you are now their property!

    • @VestaRoleplay
      @VestaRoleplay 6 місяців тому +2

      @@JulienDeon I'm currently studying to get into the military college to become an officer. I should meet the standards in 2 years. While doing so, i'm in the reserve to gain experience. But my point is, I understand i'm literally nothing when I enroll as a NCM. But, I want to be a force of change if I can graduate from military college. This is decades down, but I'm still committed to this mission.

  • @christopherj9744
    @christopherj9744 2 місяці тому

    This lady is amazing.
    Everything about her and her story is super relatable.
    Appreciate her perseverance.

  • @TheRumbles13
    @TheRumbles13 6 місяців тому +4

    The sheer quality of JP's content never ceases to amaze me. Thank you for all you do Jordan. Much love from Alberta!

  • @Riflechair
    @Riflechair 6 місяців тому +9

    Kelsie is a Canadian Icon and I respect her greatly. Maple Leaf Up

  • @guywholikescheese97
    @guywholikescheese97 6 місяців тому +8

    What an interview. I can’t turn this off.

  • @jamesmuttafukinasprey334
    @jamesmuttafukinasprey334 14 днів тому

    I could listen to this woman all day long.

  • @frogmanxbl7129
    @frogmanxbl7129 6 місяців тому +28

    You know it’s a great interview when JP only has to ask a few well-framed questions.
    Not because I don’t like listening to JP, but because the guest is just that interesting

  • @dryoung1000
    @dryoung1000 6 місяців тому +28

    Canadian here... I love this listening to this lady and I'm so glad she's getting a bigger platform. Kelsi, I hope you run for office in Canada. We need people like you.

    • @southboundguitar
      @southboundguitar 6 місяців тому

      😂

    • @southboundguitar
      @southboundguitar 6 місяців тому

      Let’s ask her battle buddies what they think of her. Everything she’s said in these interviews has been fluff, common tropes even. She’s a liar. She’s grifting off of these idiots. Ask anyone who’s served, especially in combat.

    • @JulienDeon
      @JulienDeon 6 місяців тому +1

      @@southboundguitar OH really? you know this to be fact do you? well then why don't you sate your credentials, and supply the factual evidence you have in regards to it so you can be the hero here and discredit her with truth? come on now we are waiting!

  • @MarkSmith-yd9kh
    @MarkSmith-yd9kh 6 місяців тому +6

    Amazing episode - as a veteran- total respect for Kelsi -

  • @marksmith813
    @marksmith813 4 місяці тому +1

    Awesome interview with Kelsi. The world is a better place with you in it.

  • @johngreen4th891
    @johngreen4th891 6 місяців тому +49

    In the words of a guest from the Shawn Ryan podcast: "War sucks."
    While I forget who said that I'll never forget it. I'm eternally grateful for the men and women who fight on my behalf. Thank you for your service.

    • @jasonsenator6144
      @jasonsenator6144 6 місяців тому +1

      That's true. And I'm not trying to be offensive but I need help and if I could join military for healthcare I would. Instead I get a felony for small amount of a fungus. Thanks for your service though I don't mean to take away from veterans getting help. It's just in USA we take away free healthcare for military

    • @sambobsam
      @sambobsam 6 місяців тому +1

      "war never changes"

    • @jackcaffrey8493
      @jackcaffrey8493 6 місяців тому

      War is easy , Life is hard

    • @johngreen4th891
      @johngreen4th891 6 місяців тому +1

      @@jackcaffrey8493 while I'm not aware of the position of life that your are in to say that, I imagine that "war is easy, life is hard.", Means that in war you know what you're fighting and who the enemy is this you can gain a sense of purpose and direction. But to live life unaided by a "bigger cause" can leave a person without a sense of purpose or direction. The difficultly in finding the meaning of life can be frustrating in addition the hardships that life throws us individually. With in that context, I agree, war is easy, life is hard.

    • @wendellbabin6457
      @wendellbabin6457 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@jackcaffrey8493A Force Recon Marine I once knew, Korea (Chosin) and VietNam vet (where a lot of the "fun" was), told me once drowning sorrows after his third divorce and he couldn't remember how many breakups any more that war was a lot easier because at least there you could kill the people you could no longer reason with.
      And no, not stereotypical "crazy vet" by any means. Served with distinction in every campaign, probably won everything there was with exception of CMH with too many citations for his ribbons. Couldn't even wear all of them in his uniform.
      He called them his "greatest hits".

  • @michaelleahey7250
    @michaelleahey7250 6 місяців тому +25

    This is a tremendous interview. Thank you for sharing. Dr. Peterson thank you for interviewing this magnificent woman.

    • @southboundguitar
      @southboundguitar 6 місяців тому

      She’s a lying pos. Read the comments from actual veterans if you want truth.

  • @pgsharrow3714
    @pgsharrow3714 6 місяців тому +8

    Jordan thank you for having Kelsi on , It has been 55 years since I was in the military, but her experiences gives me some insight as to my own problems. Poor or No treatment from the "system" is much the same in the US VA. as what she describes from the Canadian system.

    • @wendellbabin6457
      @wendellbabin6457 6 місяців тому +1

      The US VA is shameful. To me, anyone who advocates for "the government", who's ever, should run hospitals should have to volunteer in a VA hospital or nursing home or maybe both for about a month each.
      The way ESPECIALLY COMBAT VETERANS are treated is bordering on criminal. And that starts in Washington.
      I have said for years that qualifications for President should have military service in some form. At least. Preferably combat, but maybe exclusively would be too far.
      Not talking retired military either. Just serving period.
      Folks who have served are usually the last folks who want to start another one. Contrary to liberal myth.
      Only other option is to prepare and equip in peacetime so the "Bad Actors" can never, EVER, think it would be a good idea.

  • @toddfenley9179
    @toddfenley9179 5 місяців тому +2

    As an old veteran, I respect this woman so much.
    I'm 60 years old. It's hard to find people who have that much Heart and Dedication to what they do except for all of the soldiers who have served our government in the last 20 years. You people have got a hard on for violence and I respect you so much. God bless you and yours

  • @entiedoofinsmircz
    @entiedoofinsmircz 5 місяців тому +2

    Thank you dear lady for your amazing service and your incredible bravery. On and off the battlefield. God Bless You!🙏🙏🙏

  • @singesinge23
    @singesinge23 5 місяців тому +2

    Thank you M. Peterson for talking less and listening more.

  • @innocentbystander8038
    @innocentbystander8038 6 місяців тому +65

    Two factors that stood out to me about woman in army was;
    1 - The difference in strength. It's dramatic, like 1/5 the strength of a guy. Not just a minor difference.
    2 - Way more prone to injury. Specifically, cracked pelvis's was common, just in basic training. Because the wider hips of a female are vulnerable carrying load under impact.
    It's a serious injury, common, can be permanently debilitating and it's never talked about much.

    • @paranormaldinosaur6036
      @paranormaldinosaur6036 6 місяців тому +1

      About the excessive weight of packs and how it affects the grunt The military overloads everybody's pack and the men and women suffer broken bones and permanent injuries from the excess weight of their packs
      The women and the men should be carrying 1/3 their body weight into battle and have mules, vehicles, or noncombantant battle buddies carry their most of their weapon and sustainment load into battle.

    • @innocentbystander8038
      @innocentbystander8038 6 місяців тому +6

      You've obviously never been in the military. That is the most impractical suggestion I have ever heard.

    • @oausncacaonausnsasavasvnsuemau
      @oausncacaonausnsasavasvnsuemau 6 місяців тому

      There should be requirements and the ones who are capable should be chosen. If they’re able how they look does not matter.

    • @innocentbystander8038
      @innocentbystander8038 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@oausncacaonausnsasavasvnsuemau there are. Still lower than the guys, but there are minimum requirements. Even then, it was extremely rare for a female to pass out of the school of infantry.
      Quite frankly, infantry is a dirty, nasty horrible job. It's extremely rare for a female to even want to do it.
      So it makes no sense to target that demographic for recruitment.

    • @troymash8109
      @troymash8109 6 місяців тому +6

      It's not just strength. Women can't come close to our reflexes. I grew up next door practically to an Olympian female basketball player. I was twice as fast as her by age 10 or 11....

  • @robertpritchard4681
    @robertpritchard4681 6 місяців тому +7

    Peterson really knows what questions to ask and when to bring them up just to get an absolute feel of the answer that people are telling them!

  • @debicameron9130
    @debicameron9130 5 місяців тому +2

    Bless her. She’s amazing. Thank you for sharing her story.

  • @wesmattimore2895
    @wesmattimore2895 6 місяців тому +5

    What a incredible woman, we need more like her..

  • @idacarrasquillo4028
    @idacarrasquillo4028 6 місяців тому +7

    Incredibly honest and vulnerable.

  • @_vofy
    @_vofy 6 місяців тому +8

    I feel like I've watched this entire episode on a single breath. Amazing person.

  • @airbornevetrando
    @airbornevetrando 5 місяців тому +1

    I’m grateful for her story more people need to hear this

  • @williamchapman9150
    @williamchapman9150 6 місяців тому +10

    4:00 Thanks for this. I have worked in 5 different countries. Saudi, South Sudan, Nigeria, Northern Mexico. This stuff changes people.
    After having worked in the third world and listened to some who went through WW2 I have learned that character does not equal size.
    Matching size and character does not match many times.
    Many people who think they know what it takes have never worked in the third world.

  • @violettebakom9770
    @violettebakom9770 5 місяців тому +2

    Listen to her ! just oh! she is an amazing human being!she is a hero for sure! .. all respects and prayers for all veterans healing from trauma

  • @diegotrujillo1943
    @diegotrujillo1943 6 місяців тому +6

    Thank you both for a more profound vision of something vastly unknown about a first-person vision of struggle, battle and resilience

  • @faithcuster5497
    @faithcuster5497 6 місяців тому +29

    Dear Jordan, your abundance of knowledge is like a fountain of gold providing endless wealth of information!! Thank you thank you thank you

  • @kaitlynbecker8424
    @kaitlynbecker8424 6 місяців тому +52

    As a Canadian woman I am thankful to hear from a Canadian female veteran. Thank you all for your service ❤️

    • @southboundguitar
      @southboundguitar 6 місяців тому

      She’s annoying and narcissistic, and everything g she has said is a lie. Tropes, even. Ask an actual veteran. Better yet, just read out comments.

    • @JulienDeon
      @JulienDeon 6 місяців тому +2

      @@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 feel free to elaborate on why YOU "THINK" this is so, she has not shown any of what you seem to "THINK" or "FEEL"

  • @johnrusselcardinal3553
    @johnrusselcardinal3553 5 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for this Dr. Jordan Peterson and Kelsi Sheren! I'm sorry to hear about all of the traumatic things that happened in this woman's life. At the same time, I am grateful to be informed of a unique perspective of life through the lens of a former army woman.

  • @captainsensible298
    @captainsensible298 6 місяців тому +6

    Been watching Kelsi for quite a while, great insight into the military mission does not consider the damage to their crew after the mission is over.

  • @zombiefryd
    @zombiefryd 5 місяців тому

    Watching testimony like this reminds me that I have unprocessed distress from my time over. Than you did sharing and congratulations on sticking with the process of healing, keep it up

  • @Kj86oldschool
    @Kj86oldschool 5 місяців тому +1

    Kelsi you are a brilliant woman,world needs more of you.❤

  • @camaleonsacor1618
    @camaleonsacor1618 6 місяців тому +5

    Sis you are fire. So much extroversion even in every one of her gestures. Amazing talk. So many truths she has spoken.

  • @carolineramage7480
    @carolineramage7480 5 місяців тому +2

    Jordan is an absolute EXPERT...........listener.

  • @meridiable
    @meridiable 6 місяців тому +18

    fabulous interview with a truly inspiring, courageous, wise woman.

    • @arnoldvezbon6131
      @arnoldvezbon6131 6 місяців тому

      Women only get wisdom after 50.

    • @meridiable
      @meridiable 6 місяців тому

      @@arnoldvezbon6131 nonsense. I know lots of 50+ women, and men, who are complete idiots.

  • @rlrobertjlewis640
    @rlrobertjlewis640 Місяць тому

    I have the power to heal myself. You have the power to heal yourself. Together we have the power to heal the world.

  • @cremonx
    @cremonx 6 місяців тому +3

    Sincerely, she's a brilliant lovely soul.

  • @jimwipperfurth8274
    @jimwipperfurth8274 5 місяців тому +1

    I don’t know why I wept listening to this. Doctor Peterson, thank you.

  • @jeanbotermans4210
    @jeanbotermans4210 6 місяців тому +7

    Nice to see JP in an empathic clinician role! As a Clinician it brought me to tears. Would be good once every 6 times, you know why…

  • @karabotes
    @karabotes 6 місяців тому +7

    I was also a Tomboy bullied at school by mean girls and its quite damaging. Also hung out with the boys and enjoyed sports and was very good at it (played in the national hockey team). I have also had negative experiences in the workplace and think it has to do with competence and asking questions. I wish Jordan would do more about bullies, female bullies are a problem in society but because of how they operate it’s hard to pinpoint and we need to expose these behaviours. I also related to the part about transitioning, I think I would have because I sometimes wished I was a boy. I am happy to be a women and with who I am. Thanks for sharing stories of these strong women who often get labelled difficult in society because they are strong, honest and determined.

  • @JustinSmithWY
    @JustinSmithWY 6 місяців тому +10

    Powerful, thank you both.

  • @B19ism
    @B19ism 5 місяців тому +1

    Wow! To hear our tiny Petawawa mentioned was pretty cool! Small town but big army. Proud to be from the valley ❤️

  • @tashastarling6573
    @tashastarling6573 6 місяців тому +3

    I really like this person for sticking to their knowledge base and experience. I like her a lot.

  • @sickstringbender1364
    @sickstringbender1364 6 місяців тому +4

    You can see how much better she has become since her first appearance on JRE or Lex a while ago. So good to see her loving life and spreading positivity around.

  • @daschuhow
    @daschuhow 6 місяців тому +7

    Oh my God! Mr. Peterson thank you for lending your platform to a very important topic and strata of our population that society shuns. 1:57

    • @gregorywitcher5618
      @gregorywitcher5618 6 місяців тому +1

      Agreed with your comment but if you respect all the years of school he had to go through to be called Doctor, you should call him that, not Mister.

  • @jmelee28
    @jmelee28 5 місяців тому +3

    This woman is a Renaissance woman and a true gift from God.

  • @Zeitgeist6
    @Zeitgeist6 6 місяців тому +5

    Saw Kelsi a while back on Triggernomitry. Fascinating lady and I bought her book straight after the interview. Fascinating stuff and a sobering look at what war actually is.

  • @FrenchMastiff
    @FrenchMastiff 5 місяців тому

    Great guest...She is spot on regarding every topic !!

  • @HiDefi
    @HiDefi 6 місяців тому +8

    As a former Canadian, I can understand the challenges she faces with Canadian politics, and I strongly advise anyone concerned to consider leaving before the situation worsens. When I was 40, I explored ancestry visas and ultimately decided to leave over 15 years ago. It's a decision I've never regretted; it's truly been the best choice of my life. 💖

    • @jrb_sland
      @jrb_sland 6 місяців тому +3

      Your life, your choice. My sincere congratulations for acting based on your personal beliefs & feelings.
      I'm one of those people who have a weird bond with the place we were born, and I am now retired back to the same small B.C. town where I grew up as a child. Of all the [relatively] few places I've ever been in the world, it is the ONLY place in which I feel entirely comfortable - it is my HOME.
      To the end of my days I will fight to keep certain Canadian values close to my heart, and I will fight against such social diseases as DEI & the entire woke philosophical bundles of nonsense.

    • @Sweaty_Grandpa
      @Sweaty_Grandpa 6 місяців тому

      @@jrb_sland then trudeau will toss you in jail without a second thought and fly back to his troll cave on taxpayer money while laughing hysterically like demonic hyena. then he'll go eat half of a $700 dinner, throw the rest in the garbage and turn on the TV and laugh at all the peasants starving and overdosing in poverty on the street.

    • @veronicaspencelocke2003
      @veronicaspencelocke2003 6 місяців тому

      @@jrb_slandAMEN to that - every part of it. I AM Canadian, I am NOT what “Weirdeau” - his Liberals and the NDP’s - crazy and creepy bills and policies are. I’ll still be here fighting for a better Canada, getting rid of his crazy DEI etc nonsense when he’s in our rear view mirror.🍁🇨🇦

    • @arnoldvezbon6131
      @arnoldvezbon6131 6 місяців тому

      This woman is the problem with Canada lol

  • @beechdi
    @beechdi 5 місяців тому +1

    What a woman, so impressive. One of the best interviews i have seen recently

  • @SassyL62
    @SassyL62 6 місяців тому +5

    well y’all I’m headed straight over to her podcast

  • @TwilightMysts
    @TwilightMysts 3 місяці тому +1

    Dang I like this woman. Massive respect.

  • @noideer4865
    @noideer4865 6 місяців тому +4

    These personal testimony interviews are so valuable.
    The follow on, on The Daily Wire shocked me to the core God bless you Kelsi

  • @timcoolican459
    @timcoolican459 6 місяців тому +2

    Incredible! What Kelsi went through in the military is unbelievable, let alone her civilian life. What an absolutely fascinating person.

  • @horn3363
    @horn3363 6 місяців тому +5

    Thank you for your service

  • @MichaelLakota-vc4tk
    @MichaelLakota-vc4tk 5 місяців тому +1

    Excellent and extremely informative interview !
    I was captivated by your guest

  • @irawhitlock1084
    @irawhitlock1084 6 місяців тому +4

    This channel has the best interviews ever.

  • @williambailey5405
    @williambailey5405 5 місяців тому +1

    As a retired military officer, I strongly believe that the military is just a reflection of the society from which it comes. It has always been that way.

  • @ssallons7930
    @ssallons7930 6 місяців тому +5

    This woman kicks ass! She shines with positivity and charm yet is the kind of tough that most men could only hope to be.
    You're a true survivor miss, and the world is a better place with you around!

    • @arnoldvezbon6131
      @arnoldvezbon6131 6 місяців тому

      What a soi overdose. Go get your t levels checked son.

    • @ssallons7930
      @ssallons7930 6 місяців тому

      @@arnoldvezbon6131 What...? You hate seeing people get the respect you'll never get in life right? That's the kind of guy you are, right? That's the only kind of man I can imagine that would be bothered by some random youtube comment praising a military vet who overcame suicidality and ptsd. Some kind of sad nobody, that will never achieve anything, never be important to anyone, probably still a virgin, getting more and more sad by the fact there are respectable people in the world and he is not one of them. How's life brother? Want to talk about it?

    • @arnoldvezbon6131
      @arnoldvezbon6131 6 місяців тому

      @@ssallons7930 respect is earned and this arrogant woman deserves none. Another boss babe wannabe. By her own word she joined the army to serve her ego not the country. Afghanistan was a skirmish not a real war like in Ukraine. She is not a role model but rather an example of what not to do. Stop gushing at every sob story you get peddled.

  • @belindalee6349
    @belindalee6349 5 місяців тому +1

    So much respect for this conversation!

  • @kunipeg8706
    @kunipeg8706 6 місяців тому +24

    This episode looks like it will be a "million-views" one.
    Captivating and gripping stuff.
    And JBP at one of his best - Clinician mode.

    • @dranreb1118
      @dranreb1118 6 місяців тому

      YES. He's the best when he's on clinician mode. He gets too fired up when it's a political or cultural issue lol

  • @gerhardmaree
    @gerhardmaree 4 місяці тому +1

    Bone chilling, facinating, great interview.

  • @KatarinaDinnar
    @KatarinaDinnar 6 місяців тому +5

    As an ex IDF, thank you for this amazing guest.

  • @Reaper58
    @Reaper58 6 місяців тому +1

    What a tremendous listener Jordan is.

  • @Pari991-y3o
    @Pari991-y3o 6 місяців тому +4

    Good job Kelsi, thanks for your bravery.

  • @n8howl
    @n8howl 5 місяців тому +2

    Wow! Seriously, people need to watch this before it gets deleted by the algorithm! 🙏🏻

  • @juliaalemao4425
    @juliaalemao4425 6 місяців тому +8

    Dearest Dr. Jordan Peterson and Ms. Sheren,
    Thank you for sharing your time with us. This conversation was beautiful, insightful and heart touching. I feel it was also a gift of courage, strength and wisdom.
    Thank you both💛
    With joy and gratitude,
    Julia A.

    • @gregorywitcher5618
      @gregorywitcher5618 6 місяців тому +1

      Not to knock your comment but to simply explain, when you go through so many years of schooling to get called Doctor, it is respectful to use that over Mister.

    • @juliaalemao4425
      @juliaalemao4425 6 місяців тому +1

      @@gregorywitcher5618 I am deeply sorry. My intention wasn't to be disrespectful. I'm going to change this now. Thank you once again🌷

    • @gregorywitcher5618
      @gregorywitcher5618 6 місяців тому

      @@juliaalemao4425 I know what you said was out of love. I said what I did as well. “Love is the best parts of me looking out for the best parts of you.” -Dr. JBP

    • @AFringedGentianToEnnien
      @AFringedGentianToEnnien 6 місяців тому +1

      This is the most beautiful set of comments. I would like to hug you both. It’s so amazing to me, how we are all united in our love for Dr. Peterson.

    • @gregorywitcher5618
      @gregorywitcher5618 6 місяців тому

      @@AFringedGentianToEnnien “Love is the best parts of me looking out for the best parts of you.”
      - Dr. JBP