No. I've seen guys run tf stage 2 cam with these heads and stock bottom end. The valve angle is different from stock heads. Give it little more clearance. I will suggest checking piston to valve clearance. Every engine is different.
Amazing heads i have the same heads on my show car and i ported the shit out of mine but there amazing heads top of the line trickflows 170s are almost as big as AFR 180s and the trickflow 170castings are the same as there 205 head so you can upgrade and port like crazy if you go 363 or blower and 363. Keep up the good work check out my 500rwhp5.0
Hi. Looks like a nice little setup. My son and I are getting ready to work on the engine from his (formerly mine) 1990 LX. Is the short block from LMR that you have basically stock? I am looking at it to go with my e303 cam. I am also considering these TF heads, but I am concerned about the piston to valve clearance. What camshaft are you running? Thanks and nice setup.
+Eric Wester thanks! Yeah got the short block from lmr. It's stock and was bored .30 aluminum pistons. Machine work was good. I'm running trickflow 170 heads, and cam trickflow stage 1. Didnt have any valve to piston issues. Also used felpro 9333 head gasket. You'll make more power out of the trickflow cam than the e303. Don't know how much power you are looking for, but my motor makes a little over 300 at the wheels
Yes on 302 motors. The valve angle are different on these heads. No need to notch the pistons unless you plan on going with a big cam and rocker. Im running trick flow stage 1 cam with 1.6 rocker and no issues
+justin91lx Appreciate it. It's as stock as it was in 86. Down to the exhaust. I'm hoping to find a mild top end just to have a little more fun with it.
Hey man, I saw you had a review of the block on LMR. How's that block been doing for you? I ask because my motor blew up about a month ago and I am looking at blocks to replace it. This looks like it might be a good way to go for not too much cash. My other options are all better, but way more pricey. LOL. I was just wondering if yours was still running well and how you liked it. Thanks.
+Doug FA So far is been a great block. I have about 4k on it, and ive pushed it pretty hard. Machine work was done good. I went with this block cause it was cheap.
Cool man... thanks for the response. I think it is the way I'm going to go as well, as I just want to get my Mustang back up and running. The foxes are fun cars. Thanks again, and I have enjoyed your videos. Keep us up to date on your car.
+Doug FA Only mustangs I've ever owned. You probably save a few buck if you can find explorer motor and just clean it up. Late model wants 1400 now for their short blocks. Glad you enjoy them. Got a few things im gonna do to her this year.
Robert White These are the pushrods i used with my combo. You'll need a longer rod with the trickflow 170 heads due to the valve angle. www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/TFS-21406700/Trick-Flow-Hardend-One-Piece-Chromemoly-Pushrods
Using a ratcheting torque wrench as a ratchet wrench is a no no. It is not made for that. Ratcheting torque wrench accuracy is dependent on being gentle with it. If you drop one, it needs to be checked or recalibrated. When changing torque values, you are supposed to bring the wrench back back to zero or it's lowest setting before setting the next higher torque setting to relax the spring first. I work at a large military helicopter manufacture as a flight inspector for 38 years and oversee all maintenance on these aircraft and release them for flight. The ratcheting feature on these wrenches are only to give you the required arc to actually torque the fastener. To use a torque wrench in the aircraft industry the mechanic has to be certified regularly in a 3 hour class. Proper torque ensures we don't have under torqued or over torqued fasteners. Both conditions can cause catastrophic failures. Why would this apply to an automobile? Ever push a head gasket? Probably several under torqued fasteners. You put good money out for the best parts... Proper torquing ensures you are not doing the job again and again. Google Hooke's law and how it applies to fasteners.
USMC 6123 CH-53 Helicopter T64 powerplant mechanic. Currently a journeyman mechanic at an industrial facility. I've never reset ANY torque wrench back to zero when stepping the torque up. Literally never had a problem... I do put it back to zero when I store it.
Did u need special pistons? With w bigger valve relief ? A engine builder I spoke with said i would.
No. I've seen guys run tf stage 2 cam with these heads and stock bottom end. The valve angle is different from stock heads. Give it little more clearance. I will suggest checking piston to valve clearance. Every engine is different.
i want to put 11rs on mine too but ive never done any kind of work to an engine like that. any tips or things i should know before i start?
What size pushrods ?
Nice
Just bolted on my twisted wedge heads.. thanks for the info!
They say heads out of the box always need work done to them is that true ?
+Mike Smith no work at all. Unless you want them port and polished
I say they do have to go to the shop before install. They will leak
Awesome hunks of aluminum.
Sounds Good👍, I was thinking about buying this upper for my stang. Pretty much the same set up as you. Also a "white pony"
Brian McCoy Thanks man! Cant go wrong with the trickflow heads. Big difference between the stock e7s.
Amazing heads i have the same heads on my show car and i ported the shit out of mine but there amazing heads top of the line trickflows 170s are almost as big as AFR 180s and the trickflow 170castings are the same as there 205 head so you can upgrade and port like crazy if you go 363 or blower and 363. Keep up the good work check out my 500rwhp5.0
MrStangerbanger Thanks! They are some nice heads, and make good power. Wished I had the time and money to get mine ported.
I agree, the AFR heads are over inflated by their claims. For being 20+ years old, the TW heads are amazing
what combustion chamber are this twisted wedge heads?! 61 or 58?! thanks
Hi. Looks like a nice little setup. My son and I are getting ready to work on the engine from his (formerly mine) 1990 LX. Is the short block from LMR that you have basically stock? I am looking at it to go with my e303 cam. I am also considering these TF heads, but I am concerned about the piston to valve clearance. What camshaft are you running? Thanks and nice setup.
+Eric Wester thanks! Yeah got the short block from lmr. It's stock and was bored .30 aluminum pistons. Machine work was good. I'm running trickflow 170 heads, and cam trickflow stage 1. Didnt have any valve to piston issues. Also used felpro 9333 head gasket. You'll make more power out of the trickflow cam than the e303. Don't know how much power you are looking for, but my motor makes a little over 300 at the wheels
Are these literally bolt on or do I have to have pistons notched for valve clearance?
Yes on 302 motors. The valve angle are different on these heads. No need to notch the pistons unless you plan on going with a big cam and rocker. Im running trick flow stage 1 cam with 1.6 rocker and no issues
Just be sure to check your piston to valve clearance. As to ever motor is different
+justin91lx Appreciate it. It's as stock as it was in 86. Down to the exhaust. I'm hoping to find a mild top end just to have a little more fun with it.
With my heads, and cam, plus had it dyno tuned. Only had 250 miles on the new motor and it cranked right at 300whp.
Hey man, I saw you had a review of the block on LMR. How's that block been doing for you? I ask because my motor blew up about a month ago and I am looking at blocks to replace it. This looks like it might be a good way to go for not too much cash. My other options are all better, but way more pricey. LOL. I was just wondering if yours was still running well and how you liked it. Thanks.
+Doug FA So far is been a great block. I have about 4k on it, and ive pushed it pretty hard. Machine work was done good. I went with this block cause it was cheap.
Cool man... thanks for the response. I think it is the way I'm going to go as well, as I just want to get my Mustang back up and running. The foxes are fun cars. Thanks again, and I have enjoyed your videos. Keep us up to date on your car.
+Doug FA Only mustangs I've ever owned. You probably save a few buck if you can find explorer motor and just clean it up. Late model wants 1400 now for their short blocks. Glad you enjoy them. Got a few things im gonna do to her this year.
+justin91lx Awesome, man. I went with the lmr block with the forged pistons. Going to start rebuilding her soon.
Hey bud. Do you remember the 'push-rod' length that you used? Im building a similar motor.
Robert White These are the pushrods i used with my combo. You'll need a longer rod with the trickflow 170 heads due to the valve angle. www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/TFS-21406700/Trick-Flow-Hardend-One-Piece-Chromemoly-Pushrods
that's what I thought. ok. thanks, bud.
btw. do you plan on takeing your car to the track?
Robert White Just took the car for the first time this weekend. I have a video up.
Great. I'll ck it out. thx.
Using a ratcheting torque wrench as a ratchet wrench is a no no. It is not made for that. Ratcheting torque wrench accuracy is dependent on being gentle with it. If you drop one, it needs to be checked or recalibrated. When changing torque values, you are supposed to bring the wrench back back to zero or it's lowest setting before setting the next higher torque setting to relax the spring first. I work at a large military helicopter manufacture as a flight inspector for 38 years and oversee all maintenance on these aircraft and release them for flight. The ratcheting feature on these wrenches are only to give you the required arc to actually torque the fastener. To use a torque wrench in the aircraft industry the mechanic has to be certified regularly in a 3 hour class. Proper torque ensures we don't have under torqued or over torqued fasteners. Both conditions can cause catastrophic failures. Why would this apply to an automobile? Ever push a head gasket? Probably several under torqued fasteners. You put good money out for the best parts... Proper torquing ensures you are not doing the job again and again. Google Hooke's law and how it applies to fasteners.
Thanks for the info! Always learning something.
USMC 6123 CH-53 Helicopter T64 powerplant mechanic. Currently a journeyman mechanic at an industrial facility. I've never reset ANY torque wrench back to zero when stepping the torque up. Literally never had a problem... I do put it back to zero when I store it.
Just 170cc? I'll be buying some 195cc heads from afr for my non existent 383 lol. It will happen though in some months time.
+TheCowGoesMoo o Yep 170cc heads they flow just as good afr 185s. 195s will do good on the 383 I would get them ported