@Mercy Williams i have not met a single psychiatrist who uses that term. the correct definition is - you believe other people's opinions about you, which is something only weak minded people do, that is, people who are afraid to disappoint, who lack a rebellious spirit. but it goes deeper. being a weakling can help shape nations and make certain people who know how to abuse this, rich. for example, you are mostly probably already born with the debt slave mentality, which is the belief that you cant survive if you dont labor for money, or by being a productive part of society.
@Brian Kimboll It doesn't mean she was killing cultists. What is scary is that you don't know what he is saying. People see the things in Silent Hill differently. Angela saw everything as being on fire constantly, for example. She might be killing cultists, she might be killing monsters. He might really just have said that as a joke. You don't know. And now neither does Heather.
Sadly the lack of even the subtlest follow-through makes it land like a damp squib to me. No, they are monsters. There seems to be no reinforcements that arrive with any form of subduing weaponry to take heather into custody. So they are at the very least lacking in a sorta peacekeeping force. Therefore they are not human, and likely not sentient. As for other intepretations...eh? I mean, it's literally ymmv with no truly correct answer. The most correct is subjective, therefore a case of ymmv. There is broadly no wrong answer unless you directly discredit something that happens in-game or try to say that someone else's interpretation is wrong.
Everybody's talking about "They looked like monsters to you?" which, yes, is one of the best lines in the series, but I always thought "Whichever you like" is severely underrated as well.
It wasn't a joke, he just went into damage control when he realises she didn't see the same reality he was seeing. Vincent was afraid of her because she had the powers of Alessa
Makes sense, he wants to keep Heather on his side. Vincent's goal was for Heather and Claudia to eliminate each other so he can do whatever the fuck he was planning.
Nah its more in character for him to be gaslighting her. After all Vincent is a selfish, money oriented Man of the church who is used to getting his way. He says it here, He is used to having ppl do the work for him, so he knows how to manipulate and has been doing so with Heather the entire game.
After all these years, I've only just noticed that when he says "you're the worst person in the room" the camera cuts to a way where he's no longer looking at Heather, but rather, looking at the player when he says it. I'm not sure if that was the intent, but I really like it either way
Dena Natali pointed out something great about this scene Heather actually gets one up on Vincent for the first time here, because she saw through him using her and called him a coward for it. Because yeah, Vincent is absolutely hiding behind Alessa's power to get himself off clean without needing to do anything. But the thing is, he's still more knowledgeable than Heather is about all of this. He knows what's going on, and that knowledge gives HIM the moral high ground over her. So him dropping the famous line is him getting the power back on his side, with just a teasing little snippet of knowledge that may or not be true. To him it doesn't matter. It wipes the smirk off Heather's face.
That's the best interpretation of this scene that I've read. We might never know if Vincent was being serious about the monsters being people or not, he didn't care about making a serious point there. He just wanted to put Heather in her place, intellectually wise. Kinda ironic considering what happens to Vincent in the following cutscene.
Most likely not. It just depends on what you consider is a monster. He even didn't care if what Heather perceived in his beliefs in what he is saying believed is either a god or a devil. All a matter of perspective ;)
"They look like monsters to you?" "GASP!" "Don't worry! It's just a joke... ... ... ... ... ...by the way--" "No no, don't 'by the way' me, that was an incredibly long pause you made there. Are you joking or not?" "...did you get the seal of metatron?"
To me this seems like he was serious, but he said he is joking when he saw how horrified she is. We already established that the Silent Hill cultists are sick puppies who see the monsters as some sort of holy beings.
@@thisaintitchief5222 although considering that he is considered flawed, though he is conscious of what he does, and considering how he lived his sociopathic tendencies show off quite a bit towards Heather (when you consider Heather is killing "monsters", that could make people go a bit... Crazy, knowing you can't do anything about it). To me Vincent is the most human in this Silent Hill
It doesn't mean she was killing regular people. It means the creatures of SH look differently for everyone who is inside them. They might look like something completely different for him than for her.
Actually it's just a simple play with the thought of what if Heather really is merely hallucinating everything and doing something horrible in reality, but cannot tell what is real and what isn't. After all, the whole game is played from a single perspective, so you can never tell if this is true or not. You just trust her point of view and go with it.
Silent Hill games shouldn't be discussed on their own. In every single Silent Hill game there are different monsters, meaning they are real, but different for everyone inside. It's not a hallucination, it's a nightmare.
Mateusz Zamczyński I know this. I was talking about the joke Vincent made here. It's a simple idea that will make the player question their actions even more. Besides, Heather visits many places in the game that should have atleast some kind of population and yet doesn't. How do we know for sure that she is just in the fog- and otherworld and just doesn't happened to be hallucinating it all? We don't. We just assume what Heather experiences is real, even if everything she does experience is quite hard to believe. Silent Hill 2 had an untrustworthy narrator, so how can we be sure that SH3 doesn't? I love how these games can mess with the players like this.
This is inconsistent though, in Silent Hill 1 Harry Sees Alessa's Silent Hill not his own version, and the monsters (most of them) are based on Alessa's suffering. It could be explained as Alessa is still alive in SH1 but i find it inconsistent still. (Silent Hill 2 is not related to the main story and Alessa has nothing to do with James, Angela, Eddie, or Laura being there and they were called to Silent Hill for very specific and personal reasons) I think this is more a play on what Vincent says early on "I'm quite sane" and then being surprised when heather thinks of the creatures as monsters. What sane person would see them as nothing but monsters?
I always interpreted this scene like this: Silent Hill appears as a paradise to Claudia and other cult members because they are pure in the eyes of god. To others, such as James, Douglass, Eddie, and all the other characters in the series, they see their own worst nightmares come to life. Being punished by the town for their sins. I always saw this as Vincent's surprise to hear that the mother of god herself, Heather, sees the town as a nightmare, when she of all people should be seeing it as a beautiful place.
@Sold Out But Vincent doesn't want God to be born. He's basically The Order's equivalent of a Satanist. I think it makes sense for him to see it as a hellish place.
I believe its because silent hill itself projects itself based on your state of mind not to be changed by a god but it has its own aura of influence not just a domain of a god but just a place with its own natural powers not guided by the motives any one or thing but just projecting something.
In the making of this game, they suggested that it could mean one person saw them as monsters, where as another could possibly see them as human beings
Silent Hill is the only series I know where the terrible, awkward, poorly-paced voice acting actually works in its favour. Interactions with other characters are really unsettling. Everybody seems so unhinged. Every sentence is clogged with inappropriate emphasis and intonation, that the speaker seems like a sociopath fumbling to mimic human emotion.
SH2/3 have really well directed voice acting, actually. Check out the redone voice acting in the HD version for examples of poor voice acting, flat, poorly directed anime-esque voice acting. The characters really come alive in these games, you feel Vincent getting off on every word he's saying, it's almost infectious. Don't mistake this for an accident, the actor was directed to act this way (scenes were acted out in mocap several times over until the emotion of the scene was nailed), these are tells of who Vincent is as a character. Vincent *is* unhinged, he *is* sociopathic, and you get that through his performance.
@@ALocalClown I completely agree with you. I do not consider Silent Hill's voice acting is terrible, awkward and poorly-paced, not at all. Just check the mouth movements and the facial expressions of Vincent, it fits well to the voice, the tone and the pronunciation. I think the actor did a good job going "wierdly friendly and rational" to "mad and cruel", personalities very difficult to play. And for this, the voice acting is not "terrible". I'm not saying that is perfect, it's just not terrible or awkward... these are exaggerated words. (Sorry for my english).
@@Talisguy Actually, it deliberately aimed for a David Lynch direction. The director of the first game was a notable fan of David Lynch and wanted to incorporate Lynch's influence.
Everyone speaks as if Vincent asked, "They looked like monsters to you?" deliberately, but my interpretation of the infamous line is that Vincent was genuinely confused. That isn't to say of course, Heather was going around blasting innocent people. We already know everyone's experience of Silent Hill is different (for example, Angela seeing a burning world.) Vincent, as part of the cult, could be honestly seeing something completely different than monsters - Perhaps angelic beings. Lost in his own head, he blurts out, "They looked like monsters to you?" Only then does he remember Heather must be having a completely different experience, and so backpedals as best he can.
I didn't understand it as it actually being a joke, I thought he was telling the truth when he implied the 'monsters' may not be as they appear to Heather, then saying it was a joke to fuck with her/your head further.
i think that the "it was a joke" part was just the japanese writers not being good at English and trying to make a line where he would try to change the subject without going deep into it.
This scared me worse than anything else in these games. One of the most effective examples of psychological horror in history. That one line sticks in my mind all the time
Favorite scene in the series I think, definitely first or second. Vincent breaking the fourth wall essentially attacking the player for enjoying gunning down the 'monsters' while at the same calling into question the exact nature of the Silent Hill monsters and what they really are is just great.
Well, he was supposed to be a shady character with his own intentions. Even now, after finishing this game years after, I'm not sure if the player was ever meant to trust him. I still don't after multiple playthroughs. I think the lack of facial animation was meant to display that but maybe I'm also reading too much into it because it's Silent Hill and just about everything in Silent Hill has significance. lol
This is one of the greatest throwaway lines of all time cuz it clearly shakes heather but then he's like "haha it's joke". But at the same time those are some pretty heavy accusations to throw at people as a set up to a joke.
Vincent has such a streak of sadism in him. Check his smile at 02:49, he knows he's gotten to her just like he got to Claudia when he talked about her father. And right after flirting with her too. What a bastard, what a sexy, sexy bastard...
Sadistic is a strong word, more like a sociopath. He doesnt like getting hot and sweaty like he said ;) he prefers stuff to be verbally and mentally twisted which sadistic personalities are more... Physical
Schrodinger's Vincent. A person who when they ask you weather or not they looked like monsters to you decides weather or not they were joking based on the persons reaction.
i like how the characters from the 3rd game have a counter part from the first game heather = harry (they're both mason's who are the protaganist) douglas = cybil (they're the only ones who could be considered a true friend by the end of the game, and they're both police) vincent = kaufman (both are shady people who are related to the order, but rebel because of their own desire) claudia = dahlia (both are crazy old cultists who want to birth god)
Now with the "they look like monsters to you?" line, I keep thinking... what if those monsters are the poeple that got sucked into the Silent Hill world and couldn't escape their own traumas? And since monsters change their appearance based of each person's deepest fears and traumas, Heather just sees them as monsters. Well, I think no matter how the person sees them, they are monsters, BUT, I think that they might, have some vestiges of their previous lives as human beings, small hints of memories. I just imagine, that Vincent found this world fascinating, because perhaps, under the scary and horrifying visuals, there are tragic stories to be found. Like in the Castlevania series of netflix. Isaac started to get to know each of the demons he controled, that were once humans. I think, that perhaps the monsters that we see in silent hill, were human souls once before.
Although a lot of people may believe he isn't joking, I personally think Vincent is just to mess with Heather. Before he makes that claim he seems pretty agitated with Heather's attitude and the whole time she's calling him insane. He isn't exactly all right in the head, even if he claims to be, so I think its in character for him to make such a sick joke toward her. Also, since he and Claudia are both from The Order, he may not believe the monsters are monsters, but rather servants or citizens of God. It's why he asks if they look like monsters. Maybe not because he sees them different physically, but religiously. Someone who doesn't follow The Order such as Heather would be lead to believe they're strange, harmful creatures while Vincent might see these things in a better light. After all, he is devout, so I don't think even he would appreciate someone snuffing out monsters lives and treating these things as if they were disposable enemies.
@@provokator-provocateur7603the fact that he seemingly was trying to make her think she was killing real people. Besides it's just a line that gets a lot of discussion because the implications of it could be pretty big depending on if it was a joke or not.
Well to be fair on his part he can both be joking and not at the same time. It really depends on your definition on what a monster is. Vincent himself haven't done any of the "dirty work" because he was quite sane and knows doing dirty work will cause people to have sins inside their body.
I like this scene as it is a good example of something. In the franchise the protagonists are unreliable narrators. Throughout the game things try to break through the protagonist's perception bias, but those things are seen as a threat so that they can be avoided. ua-cam.com/video/tkYtflr1KsM/v-deo.html
I mean Vincent did technically say he was quite sane as well, he had no sins. What "dirty work" did he do? Create a church to bring in more cultists? He acts all innocent but secretly we know he isn't the greatest person or even the nice guy. He is flawed but he accepts he isn't flawless, making him a really interesting character in what every human wants; power and control.
Mi theory it’s that Heather, James and Harry saw creatures as “monsters” and people like Dahlia, Claudia, Vincent saw creatures as “angelic beings” Of course Heather wasn’t going around killing regular people… right? Well, In SH3 there was two enemies that you could probably be human and those were Leonard and the Missionary… of course that’s just my assumption. But Heather saw them as monsters.
He seems to be extremely antisocial too so he probably doesn't like people so his monsters would be society that he wants to escape from by ushering in the birth of God
Imo I think that he see the monsters in Silent Hill like people, like Eddy in Silent Hill 2, maybe he is afraid of the judgement of strangers and that's why the city encarnate people to make him suffer.
Although what sins has he suffered? He hasn't sinned for anything and the way he thinks and believes makes him see that every judgement is okay to an extent (especially knowing he is talking to a girl who kills "monsters" and is surprised she doesnt see him as a monster, yet) He knows he is weak and so he is worried for his self being while knowing what Heather has deep inside of her and what powers that Claudia has (most likely coming from her sins.)
It's disappointing that they didn't properly follow through with the "They look like monsters to you" idea . The bad ending of the game would have made even more sense
I always imagined this line as a throwback to the second game, where things in Silent Hill change depending on the individual. No true meaning within the context of SH3 narrative
Umm well I think what he meant by "They look like monster's to you?"is that she could just be imagining them you know made them up herself she is Alessa after all she might of created them since when you go in Alessa's room you find a notebook which has drawing's of the monster's in it which they say Alessa used to draw when she was little but that's just my opinion.They never said that they weren't monster's though you never know.I love this clip even though Vincent is a little crazy!
Discovered the silent hill series pretty recently ( I was two yo when this game came out) and finished silent hill 3 a few months ago. I really liked Vincent's personality, creepy but interesting.
Everyone sees something different in silent hill with the fog that surrounds it,it effects everyone with their mind that effects what they see differently.Anyone who comes into contact with the fog in silent effects their mind on what they see.You might see something totally different then what they see out of fear.And he wasn't joking when he said they look like monsters to you.Eddie in silent hill 2 thinks everyone is laughing at him when in reality its no one thier.
I think he was telling the truth. He might have been mainly referring to the Missionary and Scraper enemies. They have the most humanoid features(aside from the nurses) and The Missionary was able to follow direct orders. Also, if you look close, the Missionary is wearing what looks like cargo pants lol(may not mean anything but its still a funny feature and may hint at something else). I think the missionary and scraper enemies are deranged cult members ordered to kill Heather on sight, but she sees them as monsters. Vincent said it was just a joke in order to keep her focused on the “mission” once he saw her reaction. I also don’t think Vincent or Douglas sees any monsters. Douglas was left alone, wounded and unable to walk yet was unscathed when Heather returned. Perhaps another Cult member caught him on his blind side and broke his leg and Claudia didn’t kill him because he was of no threat. And Vincent is walking around too calm and smug. I think he knew Claudia sent a cult member to “test” Heather. Heather killed the cult member. Then she makes it too the chapel thats over run with other deranged cult members. Vincent witnesses her killing a few and “step on them, snuffing out their lives”. Then sees her and makes his comment. I do believe the other creatures are in fact monsters that only Heather(and maybe Claudia) can see.
Coming back from silent hill back yet again wishing it can get a revival Remake or possibly a Reboot Really missed how dark times and lovely music and Games were back then. Being instruMental from games like this and disturbing.
Would've been a great twist if they weren't monsters. That's such an "oh snap" line, to waste it on a joke seems sad. =( Maybe one day they will do something like that. Old Man Logan kind of had a moment like that "we're your friends" that line was just :-0 for me
Silent Hill 2 established that everyone sees the "monsters" differently, and the entire series has implied that some people may experience these events without seeing anything at all. Seeing as Vincent is a priest, it's possible that he was seeing them as angels or something.
It's not a joke, monsters can be visual and behavioral label. Even in his tone with: "Don't worry it's just a joke" a sort of condescending response treating her like an ignorant, naive child. Also someone as twisted as himself may not see them as monsters in a figurative sense. I don't think it's a case of a movie like "LAST SHIFT" where the person sees humans as monsters but no-one else can see. SH's manifestations are proven to be seen by other people, but parts of people's world have been hidden - like the symbolic flames of hell on the staircase with Angela. But this scene also shows how smart dialogue can help form so many discussions. Just an amazing franchise - well was.
![Silent Hill 3 (PC) - Meeting Vincent (Cutscene) [HD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6QtGaYytExI/mqdefault.jpg)
This dude gas lighted the entire franchise with one line
You owe Thegamingmuse for that term and ideology
@Mercy Williams
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@Mercy Williams
i have not met a single psychiatrist who uses that term.
the correct definition is - you believe other people's opinions about you, which is something only weak minded people do, that is, people who are afraid to disappoint, who lack a rebellious spirit.
but it goes deeper. being a weakling can help shape nations and make certain people who know how to abuse this, rich.
for example, you are mostly probably already born with the debt slave mentality, which is the belief that you cant survive if you dont labor for money, or by being a productive part of society.
@McBeef
are you gaslighting me?
oh noe, now I feel like a loner who has never spoken to other people.
what have you done to me???
He's only half right about gaslighting but I absolutely don't see what the OC meant by gaslighting.
"Monsters...? They looked like monsters to you?"
Truly one of the most scariest lines in Silent Hill 3.
Dinah Rothermel naw, Minmo was pretty frightening, the prices were to die for!
Only in 3? This is my favorite line in the whole damn series.
But he said truth though
@Brian Kimboll
It doesn't mean she was killing cultists. What is scary is that you don't know what he is saying. People see the things in Silent Hill differently. Angela saw everything as being on fire constantly, for example.
She might be killing cultists, she might be killing monsters. He might really just have said that as a joke. You don't know. And now neither does Heather.
I wish they wouldn't have walked that back so quickly.
It would've have been the, "Would you kindly...?" of the PS2-era.
A single line that could possibly change how you view the entire franchise
Regardless of what it actually means, that line is fucking genius.
Agreed.
A single line that sparked over a decade of debate, theories and youtube videos. This is why I love Silent Hill
Sadly the lack of even the subtlest follow-through makes it land like a damp squib to me. No, they are monsters. There seems to be no reinforcements that arrive with any form of subduing weaponry to take heather into custody. So they are at the very least lacking in a sorta peacekeeping force. Therefore they are not human, and likely not sentient.
As for other intepretations...eh? I mean, it's literally ymmv with no truly correct answer. The most correct is subjective, therefore a case of ymmv. There is broadly no wrong answer unless you directly discredit something that happens in-game or try to say that someone else's interpretation is wrong.
@@chukyuniqul ACKSHUALLY
@@austenruzicka970 **ACKCHUYALLY*
Everybody's talking about "They looked like monsters to you?" which, yes, is one of the best lines in the series, but I always thought "Whichever you like" is severely underrated as well.
I like that line too. It feels sinister to me
i dont understand (;;;・_・)
I want to upvote but you have 69 likes :[
@@mhz163 He is implying that "God" and "Devil" is the same being.
bruh that's like totally deep *hits bong*
It wasn't a joke, he just went into damage control when he realises she didn't see the same reality he was seeing. Vincent was afraid of her because she had the powers of Alessa
I like this idea
Makes sense, he wants to keep Heather on his side. Vincent's goal was for Heather and Claudia to eliminate each other so he can do whatever the fuck he was planning.
Nah its more in character for him to be gaslighting her. After all Vincent is a selfish, money oriented Man of the church who is used to getting his way. He says it here, He is used to having ppl do the work for him, so he knows how to manipulate and has been doing so with Heather the entire game.
Also notice how he changes the subject pretty quickly after saying that it was a joke
@@LuigiaTV he would have had no way of predicting her response after chastising her
After all these years, I've only just noticed that when he says "you're the worst person in the room" the camera cuts to a way where he's no longer looking at Heather, but rather, looking at the player when he says it. I'm not sure if that was the intent, but I really like it either way
Vincent's eyes are always so that there is one eye to the player.
“they look like monsters to you ?”
*gasp*
“it’s only game. why you have to be mad?”
This game from 2003 really rivals the facial animation of some games made today huh
silent hill best saga ever
Dena Natali pointed out something great about this scene
Heather actually gets one up on Vincent for the first time here, because she saw through him using her and called him a coward for it. Because yeah, Vincent is absolutely hiding behind Alessa's power to get himself off clean without needing to do anything.
But the thing is, he's still more knowledgeable than Heather is about all of this. He knows what's going on, and that knowledge gives HIM the moral high ground over her. So him dropping the famous line is him getting the power back on his side, with just a teasing little snippet of knowledge that may or not be true. To him it doesn't matter. It wipes the smirk off Heather's face.
That's the best interpretation of this scene that I've read. We might never know if Vincent was being serious about the monsters being people or not, he didn't care about making a serious point there. He just wanted to put Heather in her place, intellectually wise. Kinda ironic considering what happens to Vincent in the following cutscene.
One of the biggest mind fucks in video game history. To this day the players still don't know if it was actually a joke or not.
Most likely not. It just depends on what you consider is a monster. He even didn't care if what Heather perceived in his beliefs in what he is saying believed is either a god or a devil. All a matter of perspective ;)
"They look like monsters to you?"
"GASP!"
"Don't worry! It's just a joke... ... ... ... ... ...by the way--"
"No no, don't 'by the way' me, that was an incredibly long pause you made there. Are you joking or not?"
"...did you get the seal of metatron?"
so true XD
haha
To me this seems like he was serious, but he said he is joking when he saw how horrified she is. We already established that the Silent Hill cultists are sick puppies who see the monsters as some sort of holy beings.
@@GMovieSeeker considering the cultist god, I wouldn't be surprised if the cultist didn't considered them "monsters"
@@thisaintitchief5222 although considering that he is considered flawed, though he is conscious of what he does, and considering how he lived his sociopathic tendencies show off quite a bit towards Heather (when you consider Heather is killing "monsters", that could make people go a bit... Crazy, knowing you can't do anything about it). To me Vincent is the most human in this Silent Hill
It doesn't mean she was killing regular people. It means the creatures of SH look differently for everyone who is inside them. They might look like something completely different for him than for her.
Actually it's just a simple play with the thought of what if Heather really is merely hallucinating everything and doing something horrible in reality, but cannot tell what is real and what isn't. After all, the whole game is played from a single perspective, so you can never tell if this is true or not. You just trust her point of view and go with it.
Silent Hill games shouldn't be discussed on their own. In every single Silent Hill game there are different monsters, meaning they are real, but different for everyone inside.
It's not a hallucination, it's a nightmare.
Mateusz Zamczyński
I know this. I was talking about the joke Vincent made here.
It's a simple idea that will make the player question their actions even more. Besides, Heather visits many places in the game that should have atleast some kind of population and yet doesn't. How do we know for sure that she is just in the fog- and otherworld and just doesn't happened to be hallucinating it all? We don't. We just assume what Heather experiences is real, even if everything she does experience is quite hard to believe.
Silent Hill 2 had an untrustworthy narrator, so how can we be sure that SH3 doesn't? I love how these games can mess with the players like this.
This is inconsistent though, in Silent Hill 1 Harry Sees Alessa's Silent Hill not his own version, and the monsters (most of them) are based on Alessa's suffering. It could be explained as Alessa is still alive in SH1 but i find it inconsistent still. (Silent Hill 2 is not related to the main story and Alessa has nothing to do with James, Angela, Eddie, or Laura being there and they were called to Silent Hill for very specific and personal reasons)
I think this is more a play on what Vincent says early on "I'm quite sane" and then being surprised when heather thinks of the creatures as monsters. What sane person would see them as nothing but monsters?
People's personal troubles could always fuse with each other. Nevermind Silent Hill's other world doesn't have established rules to begin with.
I always interpreted this scene like this: Silent Hill appears as a paradise to Claudia and other cult members because they are pure in the eyes of god. To others, such as James, Douglass, Eddie, and all the other characters in the series, they see their own worst nightmares come to life. Being punished by the town for their sins. I always saw this as Vincent's surprise to hear that the mother of god herself, Heather, sees the town as a nightmare, when she of all people should be seeing it as a beautiful place.
Oh wow, I never thought of it like that before but it makes perfect sense.
Not really, since Heather is the mother of the God, she can only be pure and see a paradise, which isn't the case...
This would make so much sense... if Vincent didn't see it as a disgusting hellscape too. As seen during the ending of the game.
@Sold Out But Vincent doesn't want God to be born. He's basically The Order's equivalent of a Satanist. I think it makes sense for him to see it as a hellish place.
I believe its because silent hill itself projects itself based on your state of mind not to be changed by a god but it has its own aura of influence not just a domain of a god but just a place with its own natural powers not guided by the motives any one or thing but just projecting something.
In the making of this game, they suggested that it could mean one person saw them as monsters, where as another could possibly see them as human beings
Silent Hill is the only series I know where the terrible, awkward, poorly-paced voice acting actually works in its favour. Interactions with other characters are really unsettling. Everybody seems so unhinged. Every sentence is clogged with inappropriate emphasis and intonation, that the speaker seems like a sociopath fumbling to mimic human emotion.
Living Myth damn your description really dropped a 🔥
SH2/3 have really well directed voice acting, actually. Check out the redone voice acting in the HD version for examples of poor voice acting, flat, poorly directed anime-esque voice acting. The characters really come alive in these games, you feel Vincent getting off on every word he's saying, it's almost infectious. Don't mistake this for an accident, the actor was directed to act this way (scenes were acted out in mocap several times over until the emotion of the scene was nailed), these are tells of who Vincent is as a character. Vincent *is* unhinged, he *is* sociopathic, and you get that through his performance.
@@ALocalClown I completely agree with you. I do not consider Silent Hill's voice acting is terrible, awkward and poorly-paced, not at all. Just check the mouth movements and the facial expressions of Vincent, it fits well to the voice, the tone and the pronunciation. I think the actor did a good job going "wierdly friendly and rational" to "mad and cruel", personalities very difficult to play. And for this, the voice acting is not "terrible". I'm not saying that is perfect, it's just not terrible or awkward... these are exaggerated words.
(Sorry for my english).
@@Talisguy Actually, it deliberately aimed for a David Lynch direction. The director of the first game was a notable fan of David Lynch and wanted to incorporate Lynch's influence.
@CrowdPleaser 1980 Again, it wasn't a mistake. Although, it wasn't fully successful until 2 and 3.
"..They look like monsters to you?"
Pat's not the only one who appreciates Liam's, "It looks like lighting to you?" joke.
And we'll all miss him for it.
God speed you beautiful Canadian bastard.
S When was that joke?
Th3SmartAlec It's in the Disaster Report Let's Play.
For me, this is the best conversation in the franchise by far. It's so deep and sinister, but also casual.
Still the best damn line in the series...
...cause you realize Vincent just mindfucked you in the worst way. D:
It kinda looked like Heather was trying to hide a smile after Vincent said "I don't have powers like you two." XD
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I swear dude these scenes feels sooo realistic
Everyone speaks as if Vincent asked, "They looked like monsters to you?" deliberately, but my interpretation of the infamous line is that Vincent was genuinely confused. That isn't to say of course, Heather was going around blasting innocent people.
We already know everyone's experience of Silent Hill is different (for example, Angela seeing a burning world.)
Vincent, as part of the cult, could be honestly seeing something completely different than monsters - Perhaps angelic beings. Lost in his own head, he blurts out, "They looked like monsters to you?" Only then does he remember Heather must be having a completely different experience, and so backpedals as best he can.
I didn't understand it as it actually being a joke, I thought he was telling the truth when he implied the 'monsters' may not be as they appear to Heather, then saying it was a joke to fuck with her/your head further.
i think that the "it was a joke" part was just the japanese writers not being good at English and trying to make a line where he would try to change the subject without going deep into it.
@@eduardopupuconpretty dope argument
I like how development saved the best tracks for whenever Vincent shows up
-They looked like monsters to you?
Damn, if he had only say that... The entire history of Silent Hill would have changed a little bit.
There is a reason the protagonists all need weapons to get around and the Order doesn't...
Vincent is underrated, all his scenes are great.
Best scene in any video game I’ve ever played.
indeed
this game still look pretty good, what an achievement.
not only in graphics...this scene the game itself is a masterpiece
“It’s not uncommon for people to worship the same god and still disagree.”
He has a point.
My favourite Silent Hill quote.
This scared me worse than anything else in these games. One of the most effective examples of psychological horror in history. That one line sticks in my mind all the time
Favorite scene in the series I think, definitely first or second. Vincent breaking the fourth wall essentially attacking the player for enjoying gunning down the 'monsters' while at the same calling into question the exact nature of the Silent Hill monsters and what they really are is just great.
Hmm Vincent's face has nice facial animation.
Well, he was supposed to be a shady character with his own intentions. Even now, after finishing this game years after, I'm not sure if the player was ever meant to trust him.
I still don't after multiple playthroughs.
I think the lack of facial animation was meant to display that but maybe I'm also reading too much into it because it's Silent Hill and just about everything in Silent Hill has significance. lol
I just realized this comment is 15 years old. Considering the time your comment is indeed appropriate. Bro are you still there?
@@trunkschillman ikr 15 yrs ago I couldn’t even form a sentence
Weird thought. 15 years later is a long time.
to think that this man made this comment at a time when people though silent hill was still alive lol
Oh the music!..
Some of the best in any game. In fact I think this has the best music in the SH series... and thats saying alot. SH 4 is close 2nd.
@@heyitsdazy do you know which track this is?
@@dylanjordan4747 The track is called 'Maternal Heart' by the genius Akira Yamaoka. :)
Silent Hill is nothing without Yamaoka's music.
2:22, i just keep feeling that he actually talking to me...
They actually made him have somewhat of a lazy eye, so he constantly looks like he's looking at the player.
This is one of the greatest throwaway lines of all time cuz it clearly shakes heather but then he's like "haha it's joke". But at the same time those are some pretty heavy accusations to throw at people as a set up to a joke.
I dont see what is so heavy about that.
@@provokator-provocateur7603 you wouldn't
@@spike120 If it applied to you then I would see nothing wrong.
@@provokator-provocateur7603it's not that it's super heavy or deep, it's just a good line, that's all.
THEY LOOK LIKE MONSTERS TO YOU?
this line stuck with me because of what it implies for the entire franchise and the other characters in the games
its just a prank bro
Or is it?
*Vsauce theme*
Just kiddin bruh
Do they look like monsters to you? Don't worry it's just a joke.
This is brilliant writing.
ikr it made me gasp as well with heather after he said that
They looked like monsters to you?
Vincent has such a streak of sadism in him. Check his smile at 02:49, he knows he's gotten to her just like he got to Claudia when he talked about her father. And right after flirting with her too. What a bastard, what a sexy, sexy bastard...
He's an extremely unsettling character
@@SamsarasArt he is! And I still think so, even though I'm 34 now.
Duping delight, they call it. Watch out for people like that.
Hello.
@@susannaaaa damn. You are 37 now. Do you still think he is unsettling character?
Damn, UA-cam was a toddler when this video was uploaded lmao. AVGN was just getting started. Memories
Vincent to Eddie: "Pizzas? They look like pizzas to you?"
When you realize this video was posted 15 years ago.
3:05 that face still creeps me the hell out.
i love the music in the silent hill series
He reminds so much of Lezard Valeth,well...They both are sadistic as fuck lol.
Sadistic is a strong word, more like a sociopath. He doesnt like getting hot and sweaty like he said ;) he prefers stuff to be verbally and mentally twisted which sadistic personalities are more... Physical
I love how the music changes right when he starts his lines about being a bad person
Schrodinger's Vincent. A person who when they ask you weather or not they looked like monsters to you decides weather or not they were joking based on the persons reaction.
it's joke
i like how the characters from the 3rd game have a counter part from the first game
heather = harry
(they're both mason's who are the protaganist)
douglas = cybil
(they're the only ones who could be considered a true friend by the end of the game, and they're both police)
vincent = kaufman
(both are shady people who are related to the order, but rebel because of their own desire)
claudia = dahlia
(both are crazy old cultists who want to birth god)
Now with the "they look like monsters to you?" line, I keep thinking... what if those monsters are the poeple that got sucked into the Silent Hill world and couldn't escape their own traumas? And since monsters change their appearance based of each person's deepest fears and traumas, Heather just sees them as monsters.
Well, I think no matter how the person sees them, they are monsters, BUT, I think that they might, have some vestiges of their previous lives as human beings, small hints of memories. I just imagine, that Vincent found this world fascinating, because perhaps, under the scary and horrifying visuals, there are tragic stories to be found. Like in the Castlevania series of netflix. Isaac started to get to know each of the demons he controled, that were once humans. I think, that perhaps the monsters that we see in silent hill, were human souls once before.
No
"Whichever you like" 💀
he's such an extraordinary character
That line of dialogue...they look like monsters to you?
Although a lot of people may believe he isn't joking, I personally think Vincent is just to mess with Heather. Before he makes that claim he seems pretty agitated with Heather's attitude and the whole time she's calling him insane. He isn't exactly all right in the head, even if he claims to be, so I think its in character for him to make such a sick joke toward her. Also, since he and Claudia are both from The Order, he may not believe the monsters are monsters, but rather servants or citizens of God. It's why he asks if they look like monsters. Maybe not because he sees them different physically, but religiously. Someone who doesn't follow The Order such as Heather would be lead to believe they're strange, harmful creatures while Vincent might see these things in a better light. After all, he is devout, so I don't think even he would appreciate someone snuffing out monsters lives and treating these things as if they were disposable enemies.
I dont see what is sick about that joke.
@@provokator-provocateur7603 you wouldn't
@@provokator-provocateur7603the fact that he seemingly was trying to make her think she was killing real people.
Besides it's just a line that gets a lot of discussion because the implications of it could be pretty big depending on if it was a joke or not.
god this guys line delivery is so damn good
His stilted phrasing to make HER say the punchline + pushing up his glasses to express intellectual superiority = conniving prank on his part.
Well to be fair on his part he can both be joking and not at the same time. It really depends on your definition on what a monster is. Vincent himself haven't done any of the "dirty work" because he was quite sane and knows doing dirty work will cause people to have sins inside their body.
They were monsters, Douglas said he saw them too towards the start of silent hill 3
Christ that joke XD screw you, man. God I love this VA's delivery of lines
What if he wasn't joking? Remember the haunted Tour?
I like this scene as it is a good example of something.
In the franchise the protagonists are unreliable narrators.
Throughout the game things try to break through the protagonist's perception bias, but those things are seen as a threat so that they can be avoided.
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I mean Vincent did technically say he was quite sane as well, he had no sins. What "dirty work" did he do? Create a church to bring in more cultists? He acts all innocent but secretly we know he isn't the greatest person or even the nice guy. He is flawed but he accepts he isn't flawless, making him a really interesting character in what every human wants; power and control.
Bruh, that voice acting and facial impressions...
*Monsters...? They look like monsters to you?*
Mi theory it’s that Heather, James and Harry saw creatures as “monsters” and people like Dahlia, Claudia, Vincent saw creatures as “angelic beings”
Of course Heather wasn’t going around killing regular people… right? Well, In SH3 there was two enemies that you could probably be human and those were Leonard and the Missionary… of course that’s just my assumption. But Heather saw them as monsters.
He seems to be extremely antisocial too so he probably doesn't like people so his monsters would be society that he wants to escape from by ushering in the birth of God
2:52 what you're here for
You're welcome
I'm actually here for 2:03 😏😏
Imo I think that he see the monsters in Silent Hill like people, like Eddy in Silent Hill 2, maybe he is afraid of the judgement of strangers and that's why the city encarnate people to make him suffer.
Although what sins has he suffered? He hasn't sinned for anything and the way he thinks and believes makes him see that every judgement is okay to an extent (especially knowing he is talking to a girl who kills "monsters" and is surprised she doesnt see him as a monster, yet) He knows he is weak and so he is worried for his self being while knowing what Heather has deep inside of her and what powers that Claudia has (most likely coming from her sins.)
It's disappointing that they didn't properly follow through with the "They look like monsters to you" idea . The bad ending of the game would have made even more sense
I always imagined this line as a throwback to the second game, where things in Silent Hill change depending on the individual. No true meaning within the context of SH3 narrative
Actually the monsters snap in two.
It's just a joke.
"They looked like monsters to you?"
This make me think of what will he say if i wouldnt kill anyone
2:42 love how he said "step"
Umm well I think what he meant by "They look like monster's to you?"is that she could just be imagining them you know made them up herself she is Alessa after all she might of created them since when you go in Alessa's room you find a notebook which has drawing's of the monster's in it which they say Alessa used to draw when she was little but that's just my opinion.They never said that they weren't monster's though you never know.I love this clip even though Vincent is a little crazy!
Hello. You still online? How is life going since 17 years passed?
Silent Hill is finally back!
One of the many oldest videos on UA-cam. Nice.
And I still watched it when it came out when I was like 9... I had a uh... childhood
I find them enjoyable. Nice.
With this line, I also wonder what Claudia’s father looks like to her.
This phrase needs its own remix.
Bruh 😂
This video came out just 3 years after the release of this game...
Discovered the silent hill series pretty recently ( I was two yo when this game came out) and finished silent hill 3 a few months ago. I really liked Vincent's personality, creepy but interesting.
@TURTWIGFAN64 Yeah, she smiled. And then he should have added "the power to SUCK" and went on a rant about how much she fails at life.
Everyone sees something different in silent hill with the fog that surrounds it,it effects everyone with their mind that effects what they see differently.Anyone who comes into contact with the fog in silent effects their mind on what they see.You might see something totally different then what they see out of fear.And he wasn't joking when he said they look like monsters to you.Eddie in silent hill 2 thinks everyone is laughing at him when in reality its no one thier.
Whichever you like.. hm he’s interesting
I love that dude.
Don't worry, it's just a joke.
It was, in fact, not a joke.
And so what?
@@provokator-provocateur7603 shut up
@@spike120 You wanna fight?
He see's them as people because he's twisted
Exactly. Lol I just realized this too.
i love this clip. she called him a loony. hahaha. i love when he says "they look like monsters to you" haha
Hello.
Hello, you still online? 17 years passed.
@@unnamedminterlogist indeed i am ^.^
@@spretten im glad that you still here, i wish u best :)
I wanted her to pull out the gat so bad the edit would go crazy 😂
I think he was telling the truth. He might have been mainly referring to the Missionary and Scraper enemies. They have the most humanoid features(aside from the nurses) and The Missionary was able to follow direct orders. Also, if you look close, the Missionary is wearing what looks like cargo pants lol(may not mean anything but its still a funny feature and may hint at something else). I think the missionary and scraper enemies are deranged cult members ordered to kill Heather on sight, but she sees them as monsters. Vincent said it was just a joke in order to keep her focused on the “mission” once he saw her reaction. I also don’t think Vincent or Douglas sees any monsters.
Douglas was left alone, wounded and unable to walk yet was unscathed when Heather returned. Perhaps another Cult member caught him on his blind side and broke his leg and Claudia didn’t kill him because he was of no threat. And Vincent is walking around too calm and smug. I think he knew Claudia sent a cult member to “test” Heather. Heather killed the cult member. Then she makes it too the chapel thats over run with other deranged cult members. Vincent witnesses her killing a few and “step on them, snuffing out their lives”. Then sees her and makes his comment. I do believe the other creatures are in fact monsters that only Heather(and maybe Claudia) can see.
Ah the Conversation
I just turned the same age as this..
I heard the true ending was only unlocked by not killing any monsters, but I havent finished it like that so can't say for sure.
He's LITERALLY ME
I think there's only once instance where Vincent appears outside of the other world
Coming back from silent hill back yet again wishing it can get a revival
Remake or possibly a Reboot
Really missed how dark times and lovely music and Games were back then. Being instruMental from games like this and disturbing.
She does ser leonard as a monster in dark world and he is a human.
Vincent is the spitting image of Dominic Diamond from the first series of UK video game show GamesMaster
Yet ironically enough I find him the most human in the third silent hill in comparison to others.
Would've been a great twist if they weren't monsters. That's such an "oh snap" line, to waste it on a joke seems sad. =( Maybe one day they will do something like that.
Old Man Logan kind of had a moment like that "we're your friends" that line was just :-0 for me
+Nicholas Stedmon
Silent Hill Homecoming
it's not a joke, idiot. isn't it obvious?
I don't think he's joking
@@SamsarasArt yeah that´s the best plot twist in videogames you don´t even know if this is a joke
Silent Hill 2 established that everyone sees the "monsters" differently, and the entire series has implied that some people may experience these events without seeing anything at all. Seeing as Vincent is a priest, it's possible that he was seeing them as angels or something.
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It's not a joke, monsters can be visual and behavioral label. Even in his tone with: "Don't worry it's just a joke" a sort of condescending response treating her like an ignorant, naive child. Also someone as twisted as himself may not see them as monsters in a figurative sense. I don't think it's a case of a movie like "LAST SHIFT" where the person sees humans as monsters but no-one else can see. SH's manifestations are proven to be seen by other people, but parts of people's world have been hidden - like the symbolic flames of hell on the staircase with Angela. But this scene also shows how smart dialogue can help form so many discussions. Just an amazing franchise - well was.