Even with the atrocities the Daleks have committed taken into account, there is still something genuinely kind of horrifying about the coldness and the mercilessness with which the Seventh Doctor goes about goading this one into killing itself. This to me is the moment the Seventh Doctor became the Seventh Doctor.
@@TheSequelWasBetter absolutely the most bad ass... when I think of Doctor Who this is a character I think of.... Playing the buffoon on the outside but when push comes to shove this cold dark chest player emerges.... It seems like this that make you understand why they call him The Oncoming Storm, The Predator, The Great Exterminator, the destroyer of worlds.
Imagine how hype this would be if you were watching the entire show between Dead Planet and Remenberace of The Daleks. This story isn't just the finale to the Davros and Civil War Arches, but the true finale for the classic Daleks. From the perspective of only watching the show, the Daleks were extinct for nearly 20 years. What a way to go out.
@@Jeremy-f3s Ya and my point is if you wanted new Dalek stories on screen that were apart of the show, you needed to wait nearly to decades for it to come out
9th never goaded it to commit suicide it ordered Rose to command its own destruction. This one did it as it was unable to comprehend what 7th told it, it overloaded and destroyed itself
@@Glace-gone I've watched this story numerous times and unless there's a small segment that was omitted the Supreme Dalek blows up because it cannot comprehend what the Doctor's telling it. Therefore it's circuits overload, it loses its mind and destroyed itself. All the Doctor said was 'you're on your own, no-one's coming for you'
Nine goads a unarguably evil, deadly enemy to suicide and the whole bloody episode is about how the Doctor is supposedly “going too far”. With Rose enacting some pie in the sky redemption of it as if it’s some fallen creature instead of a manufactured demon. I always hated that, even if the episode is still entertaining. Seven coldly manipulates a lone survivor of said race of manufactured demons into killing itself by telling it the truth which it can never accept after gleefully wiping out all of its kind, and nobody bats an eyelid. Perhaps because it was written in a more realistic and less wimpy time when people were capable of distinguishing between the redeemable and the irredeemable, and didn’t see heroes having power over evil as somehow being a bad thing. It’s such a shame that Seven got cancelled and instead we got the revived series which, though it undoubtedly has some great moments is utter weak sauce compared to what we could have got with Seven.
There’s an alternate take that exists of this scene in which the incessant wobbling of the operator causes the dome to come loose from its A-frame. The production team quickly rushes in to refit the dome before setting the scene up once more.
Thematically speaking, this is supposed to represent the end for them. The Daleks have warred on for centuries and its now come to a point where there’s only two factions left. One led by the creator, the other led by the supreme. The Imperial Daleks want to return to Skaro, and establish an empire with the Hand of Omega, and the renegades want to stop that and have the power for themselves to keep the Daleks pure. The Doctor, having learned his lesson from Genesis has now decided its time to end it once and for all. If this is not the last Dalek, then his entire moral conundrum of the story is pointless. He’s changed over the years, and arrived at the place where he feels decisions should be made. The Daleks must die, completely.
ironically though doctor attempt at genocide had opposite effect, it led the few survivors banding together united in their hated with one new goal destruction of Gallifrey and the end of the time lords leading to the last great time war, talk about a massive backfire
I agree. New Who and Old Who are not connected directly as far as I'm concerned. They take place in the same multiverse, but are two different realities. As far as the Classic Who universe goes, this was the end of the Daleks. They finally became so xenophobic they turned inward and basically killed each other off. They hoped to rule the universe, and instead ended up as dust on a supposedly primitive, inferior world.
In Genises of the Daleks 4th doctor he was sent back in time by the timelords to destroy or change the daleks. He had laid charges in the hatchery and then realised that races 'allied' with each other against the daleks and good came out of the evil of Davro's creation of the Daleks.
0:36 Burnt cinder, dead sun. So that's how Skaro is still around; burnt to a crisp by the Hand of Omega, but not vaporized or disintegrated. The terraforming process to restore the planet for Dalek reoccupation must've been extraneous.
Wow, come to think of it, this is the last time We'll ever hear his Daleks voices in the TV Show proper and I think the very last time he was in anything dr who was in the Curse of Fatal Death special.
This scene goes to show how even though he won't admit it the doctor posseses a deep blind hatred for the daleks to coldy and emotionlessly watch one commit suicide and not try to stop it because we all know if it was anyone else the doctor would have done everything in his power to prevent it
His reaction in their first episode proved that already - a Dalek begs him to help them but the Doctor coldly replies “Even if I wanted to, I don’t know how.”
I wish this era had continued as planned. It was about closing doors and chapters, opening new mysteries and ironically could have ended the entire story with dignity before any revamp had it been allowed to. Unfortunately it ended on a promise of a return better than ever. No official cancellation, just a promise based on deals that went nowhere. A quiet shutdown.
I like the tall, stocky structure of this Dalek prop, it makes them look more imposing and fits the leader role this Dalek occupies. One of my favourites behind the Imperial Dalek props from this same story.
This is why I think Season 25 is the best. Its got wonderfully dark moments but also some good comedic moments. S24 felt too silly and S26 was too dark.
The way the black Supreme Dalek self destructs is awesome in billions, of ways and it is the scene where the Doctor says ashes to ashes dust to dust is awesome too. I also say the year this series was aired, Dr Who had turned 25 years old an age I was 6 years away from becoming and also I wish the year this series was shown I had become 25 or even older in age say 30 or even 30 plus. I also looking back did not at the time know, like any avid Who fan, that classic Dr Who was on its way to extinction the following year when it became 26 years old and I became 20 years old .
The novelisation explains this a bit more, the Supreme is weakened by its link to the Battle Computer, it expends a huge amount of energy maintaining the mental link with her and that affects its judgement and capabilities
@@dalekbumps That's interesting to hear as I too have always wondered why the Supreme Dalek didn't go out guns-blazing and try to exterminate the Doctor and as many Humans as possible. If I were a Dalek and couldn't escape this situation, it's what I'd do, kill as many enemies as possible before dying.
@@dalekbumps Also, you have to consider that the Supreme Dalek has lost all contact with any other Dalek faction and cannot even confirm the existence of Skaro. It is completely isolated and in a state of confusion. The battle-computer link adds to that state.
1988 - the pure and impure Daleks wipe each other out, the Doctor confronts the last one and tells it to kill itself 2005 - The Doctor confronts the last Dalek (different one) and tells it to kill itself 2007 - the pure and impure Daleks wipe each other out, the Doctor confronts the last one and offers to help it, it responds by running away, then killing every Dalek including itself
my fave supreme dalek, because it's the one you see in most merchandise... I still have my Product Enterprise 12'' Remote Remembrance Supreme sitting proud on my shelf among several Pop Funkos from Animation, Anime and TV/Film... also the last lines canonically in Who for the now late great Roy Skelton.
There are some fans who believe, this black supreme Dalek is the same Dalek from Resurrection of the Daleks but the black Supreme Dalek in Resurrection had white spheres instead of silver spheres.
It's not the same prop, in fact the black resurrection dalek was in the previous dalek story destiny of the daleks as a grey drone , the prop itself was an ex exhibition dalek with a wierd skirt ,look it up on the dalek 6388 site.
It's possible it updated its casing. I like the idea that the Supreme Dalek is always the same Dalek all the way through the classic series, always with an upgraded casing. Until it dies here.
@@SuperMase9X I think you could be right, I think the voice artist is the same man who voiced the black Supreme Dalek in Resurrection of the Daleks who was Brian Miller who was married to Liz Sladen and also the actor playing the black Dalek in this episode is Hugh Spight not John Scott Martin who played the black Dalek in Resurrection of the Daleks.
It’s not so much a logic problem as an existential one. The Daleks aren’t devoid of emotion like Cybermen. Without other Dalek’s and an empire to further, they simply don’t have a point to existence. I think the scene works aside from the inadvertently misleading choice of words in “does not compute”.
It's not a question of logic. It's simultaneously controlling itself + the battle computer while trying to comprehend that a literal Dalek genocide has taken place, thus it no longer has any purpose. If anything, it enforces the idea that Dalek's are not incapable of emotion, because the Doctor is simply reminding the Supreme that it's the last Dalek on earth, no help, no hope, no rescue, and not even the "impure" survived -- all while it is desperately trying to regain the time controller from Mike/Ace. Even if it got the TC back, it would have nowhere to go. Even if it left, it would invariably lead to something like the "Dalek" episode (at best). The only options are to self-terminate (which it does), or fight while surrounded and eventually be blown up by ATR's, which would be even more insulting than killing itself.
@@RopeDrink um, no. If it were just a rage-filled blob hooked up to a travel machine and a computer, why would the machine start to spin and smoke while the Dalek yells malfunction? The Dalek should start to go even more insane with rage and start killing everything, particularly when literally standing opposite the man who just said he had committed said genocide. It’s clearly portrayed as, cannot compute this information, error, malfunction.
Daleks believe they are the superior being, that they will conquer all. It is an existential crisis. And a dalek is mostly robot, can't that just be how its voice syntheisis translates its feelings
No that's the daleks It led to them getting time travel in the chase Which Probably motivated genesis Which motivated them Investigate the time lords which led to this episode And eventually that led to the time war
Could you upload the scene where the Doctor leaves a card on the Renegade Daleks time controller and the Supreme Dalek and the girl sees it and the following chase please?
Maybe, Maybe not, Daleks didn't really have a much individual personality In Classic who. So this Supreme could be all of them, or it could be a completely different dalek.
The idea is to emphasis just how buggered the Daleks are..... Davros is dead, so there isn't a chance of the Daleks coming back through him. Ya know that's the idea here.
@@nifralo2752 He references Davros as their 'creator'. The fact he is also 'emporer' of the opposing faction is irrelevant. The Doctor not only destroyed both factions (and their home planet), but also the person who spawned them in the first place -- which is an important piece of information to consider when the only thing that Daleks might hold above 'purity' is 'survival'.
@@RopeDrink there creator whom they tried to kill. Its implied that the imperial daleks being "bionic blobs" are that way so they are loyal to Davros. The renegades see themselves as "the real daleks" who killed Davros. The Supreme Daleks should be delighted that Davros is dead.
@@nifralo2752 As said, the Daleks' overarching objective is "survival" - typically through conquest and purification - and while they would be happy to know he's dead under "victorious" circumstances, it hits differently when you're informed that both factions have died, your home planet is destroyed, your creator is dead, and you're the last Dalek in existence. "Survival" trumps victory, so the fact Davros is presumed dead adds weight, even though it was their goal to kill him. The next time you see a Dalek in Doctor Who, it's screaming at the Doctor about how it must survive - and, unsurprisingly, it's not long before Davros is spearheading them once again. The Daleks' mission for survival + purity is one of their biggest weaknesses, as both those goals often clash or contradict one-another, hence we have Daleks vs Daleks to begin with.
Obviously the scriptwriter forgot they aren't robots. How did they seriously go for "does not compute" in... what, the early 90s? It's like they were deliberately trying to be shit.
Don't forget that it was connected to the Battle Computer. It relied on her for enhanced battle tactics, but when she realises the Daleks lost, she breaks down and the emotional feedback destroys the Supreme
He's a neurotic hate squid Who just had his entire world view shattered His two main goals in life are his races Survival and their superiority and the documents proved both of those things wrong
Because it is Partially robotic psychotic facist Who's the entire world? View revolves around the survival of its species and it's own superiority and the doctor just proved both of those things are bullshit by making it the last of its kind and so utterly kicking their ass
Well one of them you could also argue genesis of the daleks I would say it started with the chase where they get access to time travel Hell It could have started the daleks Thare first appearance because They probably would have stayed in their bunker if they hadn't met the doctor
@@plantainsame2049 From my understanding, the inciting incident was the events of Dead Planet, while the last straws were the Daleks defeat in Remenberace, and the discovery that the Timelords were attempting to abort their creation in Genesis.
I never liked this scene when I first saw it. It felt like lost potential. It could have easily survived and potentially emerged in some future story or just survived. Just felt it was defeated far too easily.
I really feel that this scene would have had more power, if we'd known the dalek's pronouns, what did he/she/it identify as? You can not have true sympathy for the alien killing machine without this knowledge. Also, I didn't feel the Dr in this was credible as a time travelling alien, not flamboyant, gay or black enough, although the irony of the colour of the dalek wasn't lost on me. Obviously a oppressive subtext. Fill in words such as, patriarchy, dialectic, etc etc as you feel fit.
@@ACDZ123 they're all on iPlayer now. The last two seasons of Classic Who are really good, especially this particular story. Next to Genesis of the Daleks it's probably the best Dalek story of the '63-'89 run of the show
@legobi_wan_kenobi I have a lot of catching up to do ..I have more time these days which is the only good thing about getting older .be good if I could re generate like the doc 😉
This is one of the worst scenes. Watching it as a kid, I got really confused as to why the renegade DALEK SUPREME is trapped on earth getting talked into suicide after its small squad of renegade daleks got destroyed. I thought there were way more renegade daleks far away somewhere. But this scene makes out as though this renegade supreme is the last dalek ever?? + Clear shot at the doctor, could've shot, should've shot.
Pretty sure the Doctor was just manipulating that Supreme towards breakdown. There was likely tons of Dalek colonies which still existed. It's just that from the Supreme point of view, it's entire species was obliterated in a blink of an eye.
@@robotx9285 a dalek? Manipulated in conversation? Instead of resorting to its primary instinct to kill and destroy? It had a clear shot at the doctor and didn't take it. That era of doctor who, regarding quality, is worse than the new stuff
@@nateriver1884 Daleks won't always know for sure weather their enemy is lying or not. Furthermore Daleks have been shown to retrain fear, occasionally entering a state of extreme panic. The Supreme panicking here is in line with Dalek characterization. Finally, though poorly communicated within the serial, the Supreme's connection to that girl was met to further push it over the edge. As The Supreme panicked the connection was basically giving it sensory overload, so it kept getting more crazier until it pulled the trigger.
@@robotx9285 exactly, you're completely right, also the idea of comparing great stories like this to the garbage that is the chibnall era is mind boggling...
You were just linked to a damaged and malfunctioning battle computer. All links with your subordinates are gone. All immediate reinforcements taken out and hand of omega swiped by your racial rivals. Then you feel all links to every Dalek, everywhere, everywhen cease all at once. You have no idea what’s transpired in detail but your still reformatting brain and cybernetic databases quickly try to piece together a logical progression...but in all of this...he is here...the oncoming storm...no weapons, no back-up, no plan...he is marching toward you without fear or trepidation and you feel no other dalek around you ever, not even the unclean...and yet he is here...what he tells you is true...you know it, you feel it, you felt it...these are feelings? You are unclean now, you know fear, you can’t know fear, you can’t accept these truths...we are eternal...and yet, he...is...here...
This was a really stupid and badly written scene. Daleks are supposededly conditioned to survive. Yet this guy just evaporated coz the Doctor just disses him a little. Overrated story.
The Dalek Supreme was going insane because the Battle Computer, which was the little girl, had been leaking human emotions into it' mind. So instead of retreating or fighting to the death, the Supreme has a mental breakdown detonating itself out of despair. Additionally, Daleks have terrible ways of handling failures, usually they get executed for failing their objectives. So when the Supreme was told that it was the biggest failure in the history of the Daleks, it likely already had the instinct to terminate itself.
Probably for me, the worst scene in Rememberance. I dont buy a Dalek committing suicide. Slaughtering everyone there sure. then cajoling some humans into building something terrible. Its just horrible
To be fair the novelisation explains this scene a bit better. The link to the battle computer weakened the Supreme by making it more susceptible to the emotions of the child being used for their machine, and her using power for her electro-attacls drains the Supreme's mental and physical energy, leaving it vulnerable and disorientated
@@dalekbumps I guess.. maybe? Honestly it feels like a plot element they forgot about. To the earlier scene with Davros being revealed as the emperor. I feel like it was only there because only Davros had the pride enough to fire up the Hand without testing it first.. which Im sure the more logical Daleks would of done. Im not even sure Davros should of been in rememberance. Its an awesome serial but for Davros and the ending of the supreme Renegade dalek.
Someone never watched Dalek, then. The Dalek in that was lost without a purpose, because if a Dalek can’t conquer, enslave or exterminate, then it prefers death. The Daleks actually asked the Doctor what it was meant to do without orders from its superiors, because it genuinely didn’t have a plan other than to exterminate everyone who stood in its way - because that’s the only thing it had ever been taught to do.
![[UA] NAVI vs MOUZ | BO5 | IEM Rio 2024](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CMBYk0cbGoA/mqdefault.jpg)
Even with the atrocities the Daleks have committed taken into account, there is still something genuinely kind of horrifying about the coldness and the mercilessness with which the Seventh Doctor goes about goading this one into killing itself. This to me is the moment the Seventh Doctor became the Seventh Doctor.
Yep and then the ashes to ashes dust to dust line is the icing on the cake 🎂
Good point, good sir. Your point marries with why the Ninth Doctor was utterly terrified upon learning a lone Dalek had survived.
@@ianbrewster8934 and then blowing the ashes off the tip of his umbrella. Cold.
@@TheSequelWasBetter absolutely the most bad ass... when I think of Doctor Who this is a character I think of.... Playing the buffoon on the outside but when push comes to shove this cold dark chest player emerges.... It seems like this that make you understand why they call him The Oncoming Storm, The Predator, The Great Exterminator, the destroyer of worlds.
The Doctor had to do it, though. It was the only way to break the link between the Dalek and the schoolgirl.
Crazy to think that this is the last time we see the Daleks on screen up until 2005s "Daleks"
Imagine how hype this would be if you were watching the entire show between Dead Planet and Remenberace of The Daleks.
This story isn't just the finale to the Davros and Civil War Arches, but the true finale for the classic Daleks.
From the perspective of only watching the show, the Daleks were extinct for nearly 20 years. What a way to go out.
Only 15 years and we saw them again in the dalek spoof Curse of the Fatal Death which was only 10 years
@@Jeremy-f3sYa, they were still around in cameos, but for mainline episodes of Who..Proof.
@@robotx9285 Proof? The point is they were still around as they had a life outside the show anyway ever since the 60s when Terry Nation created them.
@@Jeremy-f3s Ya and my point is if you wanted new Dalek stories on screen that were apart of the show, you needed to wait nearly to decades for it to come out
Nine godes a dalek to suicide and no one bats an eye. Seven does it and everyone loses their minds!
9th never goaded it to commit suicide it ordered Rose to command its own destruction. This one did it as it was unable to comprehend what 7th told it, it overloaded and destroyed itself
@@LightLife4 not at the end of the episode, the dalek says is getting no orders and the doctor says he has an order, "kill yourself"
@@Glace-gone I've watched this story numerous times and unless there's a small segment that was omitted the Supreme Dalek blows up because it cannot comprehend what the Doctor's telling it. Therefore it's circuits overload, it loses its mind and destroyed itself. All the Doctor said was 'you're on your own, no-one's coming for you'
Nine goads a unarguably evil, deadly enemy to suicide and the whole bloody episode is about how the Doctor is supposedly “going too far”. With Rose enacting some pie in the sky redemption of it as if it’s some fallen creature instead of a manufactured demon. I always hated that, even if the episode is still entertaining. Seven coldly manipulates a lone survivor of said race of manufactured demons into killing itself by telling it the truth which it can never accept after gleefully wiping out all of its kind, and nobody bats an eyelid. Perhaps because it was written in a more realistic and less wimpy time when people were capable of distinguishing between the redeemable and the irredeemable, and didn’t see heroes having power over evil as somehow being a bad thing. It’s such a shame that Seven got cancelled and instead we got the revived series which, though it undoubtedly has some great moments is utter weak sauce compared to what we could have got with Seven.
@@LightLife4 The ninth doctor says "if you want orders, follow this one, kill yourself" to the dalek
There’s an alternate take that exists of this scene in which the incessant wobbling of the operator causes the dome to come loose from its A-frame. The production team quickly rushes in to refit the dome before setting the scene up once more.
They wobble on purpose because it makes the Dalek seem more animated and less static to the viewer.
@@DemetriusSorvo just makes it look awful
@@DemetriusSorvo yeah it's to remind the audience that there is an actual creature inside and it's not just a robot
Yep and everyone acts like they've never pushed a Dalek off a cliff.
@@DemetriusSorvowhich is interesting considering they don't all do that and none of the modern ones do that
Thematically speaking, this is supposed to represent the end for them. The Daleks have warred on for centuries and its now come to a point where there’s only two factions left. One led by the creator, the other led by the supreme.
The Imperial Daleks want to return to Skaro, and establish an empire with the Hand of Omega, and the renegades want to stop that and have the power for themselves to keep the Daleks pure.
The Doctor, having learned his lesson from Genesis has now decided its time to end it once and for all.
If this is not the last Dalek, then his entire moral conundrum of the story is pointless. He’s changed over the years, and arrived at the place where he feels decisions should be made. The Daleks must die, completely.
Honestly, this is a great ending to the Classic Series Dalek as a whole.
ironically though doctor attempt at genocide had opposite effect, it led the few survivors banding together united in their hated with one new goal destruction of Gallifrey and the end of the time lords leading to the last great time war, talk about a massive backfire
I agree. New Who and Old Who are not connected directly as far as I'm concerned. They take place in the same multiverse, but are two different realities. As far as the Classic Who universe goes, this was the end of the Daleks. They finally became so xenophobic they turned inward and basically killed each other off. They hoped to rule the universe, and instead ended up as dust on a supposedly primitive, inferior world.
@@josephwilson282 Davros survived, so there is no way he wouldn't have created more daleks even in a different reality.
In Genises of the Daleks 4th doctor he was sent back in time by the timelords to destroy or change the daleks.
He had laid charges in the hatchery and then realised that races 'allied' with each other against the daleks and good came out of the evil of Davro's creation of the Daleks.
The Time War would have been a lot shorter if the Seventh Doctor had got involved.
When 7 died the time war began...just sayin’ 😋
@@geordie170101 Fitting that they waited for the Chessmaster to be off the board before they started playing
"We are the Daleks! We will destroy anyone...who happens to be there!"@@TheKersey475
The Doctor used his umbrella to walk towards the Dalek to help him with the massive balls of steel the Doctor had at that moment.
0:36 Burnt cinder, dead sun. So that's how Skaro is still around; burnt to a crisp by the Hand of Omega, but not vaporized or disintegrated. The terraforming process to restore the planet for Dalek reoccupation must've been extraneous.
They turned it on and off again
R.I.P Roy Skelton.
Always reminds me of Zippy from Rainbow that he also voiced.
@@SimonAckerman And George too.
Wow, come to think of it, this is the last time We'll ever hear his Daleks voices in the TV Show proper and I think the very last time he was in anything dr who was in the Curse of Fatal Death special.
@@robotx9285 The Curse of Fatal Death is the last time Roy Skelton voices the Daleks.
This is why they call him the Oncoming Storm
This scene goes to show how even though he won't admit it the doctor posseses a deep blind hatred for the daleks to coldy and emotionlessly watch one commit suicide and not try to stop it because we all know if it was anyone else the doctor would have done everything in his power to prevent it
His reaction in their first episode proved that already - a Dalek begs him to help them but the Doctor coldly replies “Even if I wanted to, I don’t know how.”
This hatred was already considerably great at the time of the seventh
Now imagine how strong and deep this feeling became after the time war
I wish this era had continued as planned. It was about closing doors and chapters, opening new mysteries and ironically could have ended the entire story with dignity before any revamp had it been allowed to. Unfortunately it ended on a promise of a return better than ever. No official cancellation, just a promise based on deals that went nowhere. A quiet shutdown.
What in the world are you muttering on about? Yes, the show had been cancelled and yes, it _did_ eventually return better than ever.
I like the tall, stocky structure of this Dalek prop, it makes them look more imposing and fits the leader role this Dalek occupies. One of my favourites behind the Imperial Dalek props from this same story.
This is why I think Season 25 is the best. Its got wonderfully dark moments but also some good comedic moments. S24 felt too silly and S26 was too dark.
The way the black Supreme Dalek self destructs is awesome in billions, of ways and it is the scene where the Doctor says ashes to ashes dust to dust is awesome too. I also say the year this series was aired, Dr Who had turned 25 years old an age I was 6 years away from becoming and also I wish the year this series was shown I had become 25 or even older in age say 30 or even 30 plus. I also looking back did not at the time know, like any avid Who fan, that classic Dr Who was on its way to extinction the following year when it became 26 years old and I became 20 years old .
The last dalek who survive and died by himself.
You know, I always wondered why the Dalek Supreme didn't go out guns-blazing
The novelisation explains this a bit more, the Supreme is weakened by its link to the Battle Computer, it expends a huge amount of energy maintaining the mental link with her and that affects its judgement and capabilities
That makes sense, thank you :)
@@dalekbumps That's interesting to hear as I too have always wondered why the Supreme Dalek didn't go out guns-blazing and try to exterminate the Doctor and as many Humans as possible. If I were a Dalek and couldn't escape this situation, it's what I'd do, kill as many enemies as possible before dying.
@@dalekbumps Also, you have to consider that the Supreme Dalek has lost all contact with any other Dalek faction and cannot even confirm the existence of Skaro. It is completely isolated and in a state of confusion. The battle-computer link adds to that state.
1988 - the pure and impure Daleks wipe each other out, the Doctor confronts the last one and tells it to kill itself
2005 - The Doctor confronts the last Dalek (different one) and tells it to kill itself
2007 - the pure and impure Daleks wipe each other out, the Doctor confronts the last one and offers to help it, it responds by running away, then killing every Dalek including itself
Remember the time the Doctor told a Dalek to kill itself and it did?
my fave supreme dalek, because it's the one you see in most merchandise... I still have my Product Enterprise 12'' Remote Remembrance Supreme sitting proud on my shelf among several Pop Funkos from Animation, Anime and TV/Film... also the last lines canonically in Who for the now late great Roy Skelton.
This is why I love 7th but he also scares the hell out of me
I like how it just wobbles
I think the wheels on these models are big balls to help Get over Terrain
0:36 my phone when I try to use Google Maps out in the countryside.
“I see divinity… I see.. HATRED!”
Probably one of the Top 5 Doctors imo.
His weapons are his words
He do be wobbling doe
There are some fans who believe, this black supreme Dalek is the same Dalek from Resurrection of the Daleks but the black Supreme Dalek in Resurrection had white spheres instead of silver spheres.
It could have always reconstructed its casing
It's not the same prop, in fact the black resurrection dalek was in the previous dalek story destiny of the daleks as a grey drone , the prop itself was an ex exhibition dalek with a wierd skirt ,look it up on the dalek 6388 site.
Just because it's a different color doesn't mean it's not the same prop; have you seen what Robby the robot went through?
It's possible it updated its casing. I like the idea that the Supreme Dalek is always the same Dalek all the way through the classic series, always with an upgraded casing. Until it dies here.
@@SuperMase9X I think you could be right, I think the voice artist is the same man who voiced the black Supreme Dalek in Resurrection of the Daleks who was Brian Miller who was married to Liz Sladen and also the actor playing the black Dalek in this episode is Hugh Spight not John Scott Martin who played the black Dalek in Resurrection of the Daleks.
Ice. Fucking. Cold.
Always hated that this scene implies the Daleks are robots that beep-boop-beep “does not compute” malfunctions when it encounters a logic problem.
Well the supreme is linked to the battle computer (who’s like a mile away) it weakens it from its original form
It’s not so much a logic problem as an existential one. The Daleks aren’t devoid of emotion like Cybermen. Without other Dalek’s and an empire to further, they simply don’t have a point to existence. I think the scene works aside from the inadvertently misleading choice of words in “does not compute”.
It's not a question of logic. It's simultaneously controlling itself + the battle computer while trying to comprehend that a literal Dalek genocide has taken place, thus it no longer has any purpose. If anything, it enforces the idea that Dalek's are not incapable of emotion, because the Doctor is simply reminding the Supreme that it's the last Dalek on earth, no help, no hope, no rescue, and not even the "impure" survived -- all while it is desperately trying to regain the time controller from Mike/Ace. Even if it got the TC back, it would have nowhere to go.
Even if it left, it would invariably lead to something like the "Dalek" episode (at best). The only options are to self-terminate (which it does), or fight while surrounded and eventually be blown up by ATR's, which would be even more insulting than killing itself.
@@RopeDrink um, no. If it were just a rage-filled blob hooked up to a travel machine and a computer, why would the machine start to spin and smoke while the Dalek yells malfunction? The Dalek should start to go even more insane with rage and start killing everything, particularly when literally standing opposite the man who just said he had committed said genocide. It’s clearly portrayed as, cannot compute this information, error, malfunction.
Daleks believe they are the superior being, that they will conquer all. It is an existential crisis. And a dalek is mostly robot, can't that just be how its voice syntheisis translates its feelings
The doctor gave that Dalek the LowTierGod treatment
The Doctor totally pulled a Captain Kirk on a Dalek.
This is how most ppl are feeling now and at this time of year!! Poor Black Dalek!
Ashes to ashes...dust to dust
And this episode is why the Last Great Time War started.
No that's the daleks
It led to them getting time travel in the chase
Which Probably motivated genesis
Which motivated them Investigate the time lords which led to this episode
And eventually that led to the time war
Could you upload the scene where the Doctor leaves a card on the Renegade Daleks time controller and the Supreme Dalek and the girl sees it and the following chase please?
Do you think that's the same Supreme Dalek which featured in The Chase/Mission/Masterplan/Day/Frontier/Resurrection?
Maybe, Maybe not, Daleks didn't really have a much individual personality In Classic who. So this Supreme could be all of them, or it could be a completely different dalek.
Wobbly Dalek!
Ashes to ashes dust to dust if the cyber men don’t get ya the dalek must
I actually felt sorry for this last dalek 😢
Best scene
You would make a good Dalek
Great scene!
CC: Applause
You dont serve any... _porpoise?_ Well I rather hope the porpoises wouldn't align with daleks!
Are them daleks for sale are they going cheap
Death of zippy
Aaah, there was a little person inside there.😕⚰️
0:43 why dose the doctor say that Davros is dead? The Dalek Supreme has been trying to kill Davros
The idea is to emphasis just how buggered the Daleks are.....
Davros is dead, so there isn't a chance of the Daleks coming back through him. Ya know that's the idea here.
@@robotx9285 I guess it's possible that it dosent know Davros is the emperor but that's unlikely
@@nifralo2752 He references Davros as their 'creator'. The fact he is also 'emporer' of the opposing faction is irrelevant. The Doctor not only destroyed both factions (and their home planet), but also the person who spawned them in the first place -- which is an important piece of information to consider when the only thing that Daleks might hold above 'purity' is 'survival'.
@@RopeDrink there creator whom they tried to kill. Its implied that the imperial daleks being "bionic blobs" are that way so they are loyal to Davros. The renegades see themselves as "the real daleks" who killed Davros. The Supreme Daleks should be delighted that Davros is dead.
@@nifralo2752 As said, the Daleks' overarching objective is "survival" - typically through conquest and purification - and while they would be happy to know he's dead under "victorious" circumstances, it hits differently when you're informed that both factions have died, your home planet is destroyed, your creator is dead, and you're the last Dalek in existence. "Survival" trumps victory, so the fact Davros is presumed dead adds weight, even though it was their goal to kill him. The next time you see a Dalek in Doctor Who, it's screaming at the Doctor about how it must survive - and, unsurprisingly, it's not long before Davros is spearheading them once again.
The Daleks' mission for survival + purity is one of their biggest weaknesses, as both those goals often clash or contradict one-another, hence we have Daleks vs Daleks to begin with.
You would make a good dalek
Obviously the scriptwriter forgot they aren't robots. How did they seriously go for "does not compute" in... what, the early 90s? It's like they were deliberately trying to be shit.
Don't forget that it was connected to the Battle Computer. It relied on her for enhanced battle tactics, but when she realises the Daleks lost, she breaks down and the emotional feedback destroys the Supreme
It's the late nineteen eighties so not much difference
Why was it talking like a robot
because they do
Is he having a panic attack?
He's a neurotic hate squid Who just had his entire world view shattered
His two main goals in life are his races Survival and their superiority and the documents proved both of those things wrong
In other words, yes. He' having a panic attack.
Existential crisis.
How naff why would a Dalek say cannot compute.
Because it is Partially robotic psychotic facist
Who's the entire world? View revolves around the survival of its species and it's own superiority and the doctor just proved both of those things are bullshit by making it the last of its kind and so utterly kicking their ass
Ah yes, the old McCoy era "Deus ex Doctor"!
so is this story arc the inciting incident that starts the time war?vsure seems like it
Well one of them you could also argue genesis of the daleks
I would say it started with the chase where they get access to time travel
Hell It could have started the daleks Thare first appearance because They probably would have stayed in their bunker if they hadn't met the doctor
@@plantainsame2049 From my understanding, the inciting incident was the events of Dead Planet, while the last straws were the Daleks defeat in Remenberace, and the discovery that the Timelords were attempting to abort their creation in Genesis.
I never liked this scene when I first saw it. It felt like lost potential.
It could have easily survived and potentially emerged in some future story or just survived. Just felt it was defeated far too easily.
It brillant scene the doctor finally defeats his worse enimies totally at the time
@@loonytunescrazyi loved it too. Despite the Doctors talk of peace, the Doctor talked the Dalek into suicide.
I really feel that this scene would have had more power, if we'd known the dalek's pronouns, what did he/she/it identify as? You can not have true sympathy for the alien killing machine without this knowledge.
Also, I didn't feel the Dr in this was credible as a time travelling alien, not flamboyant, gay or black enough, although the irony of the colour of the dalek wasn't lost on me. Obviously a oppressive subtext. Fill in words such as, patriarchy, dialectic, etc etc as you feel fit.
We need white daleks as well .inclusivity
I take it you haven't seen this episode
The whole story revolves around a war between white Daleks and grey Daleks
@@legobi_wan_kenobi ha ha nope. I haven't watched an episode since about 84 ..
@@ACDZ123 they're all on iPlayer now. The last two seasons of Classic Who are really good, especially this particular story. Next to Genesis of the Daleks it's probably the best Dalek story of the '63-'89 run of the show
@legobi_wan_kenobi I have a lot of catching up to do ..I have more time these days which is the only good thing about getting older .be good if I could re generate like the doc 😉
This is one of the worst scenes. Watching it as a kid, I got really confused as to why the renegade DALEK SUPREME is trapped on earth getting talked into suicide after its small squad of renegade daleks got destroyed. I thought there were way more renegade daleks far away somewhere. But this scene makes out as though this renegade supreme is the last dalek ever?? + Clear shot at the doctor, could've shot, should've shot.
Pretty sure the Doctor was just manipulating that Supreme towards breakdown. There was likely tons of Dalek colonies which still existed. It's just that from the Supreme point of view, it's entire species was obliterated in a blink of an eye.
@@robotx9285 a dalek? Manipulated in conversation? Instead of resorting to its primary instinct to kill and destroy? It had a clear shot at the doctor and didn't take it.
That era of doctor who, regarding quality, is worse than the new stuff
@@nateriver1884 Daleks won't always know for sure weather their enemy is lying or not. Furthermore Daleks have been shown to retrain fear, occasionally entering a state of extreme panic. The Supreme panicking here is in line with Dalek characterization.
Finally, though poorly communicated within the serial, the Supreme's connection to that girl was met to further push it over the edge. As The Supreme panicked the connection was basically giving it sensory overload, so it kept getting more crazier until it pulled the trigger.
@@robotx9285 exactly, you're completely right, also the idea of comparing great stories like this to the garbage that is the chibnall era is mind boggling...
You were just linked to a damaged and malfunctioning battle computer. All links with your subordinates are gone. All immediate reinforcements taken out and hand of omega swiped by your racial rivals. Then you feel all links to every Dalek, everywhere, everywhen cease all at once. You have no idea what’s transpired in detail but your still reformatting brain and cybernetic databases quickly try to piece together a logical progression...but in all of this...he is here...the oncoming storm...no weapons, no back-up, no plan...he is marching toward you without fear or trepidation and you feel no other dalek around you ever, not even the unclean...and yet he is here...what he tells you is true...you know it, you feel it, you felt it...these are feelings? You are unclean now, you know fear, you can’t know fear, you can’t accept these truths...we are eternal...and yet, he...is...here...
This was a really stupid and badly written scene. Daleks are supposededly conditioned to survive. Yet this guy just evaporated coz the Doctor just disses him a little. Overrated story.
Mmm...I hear what you're saying mate but at the time the producers of DW where trying to insinuate this seventh Doctor was more than just a Time Lord.
The Dalek Supreme was going insane because the Battle Computer, which was the little girl, had been leaking human emotions into it' mind.
So instead of retreating or fighting to the death, the Supreme has a mental breakdown detonating itself out of despair.
Additionally, Daleks have terrible ways of handling failures, usually they get executed for failing their objectives. So when the Supreme was told that it was the biggest failure in the history of the Daleks, it likely already had the instinct to terminate itself.
and this is why no one will remember your name
@@Usagi1992 touched a nerve did we? 😆😆 will anyone remember your name?
Also, have you done a video on the use of people as Dalek battle computers? Was this ever mentioned in a prev story?
Probably for me, the worst scene in Rememberance. I dont buy a Dalek committing suicide. Slaughtering everyone there sure. then cajoling some humans into building something terrible. Its just horrible
To be fair the novelisation explains this scene a bit better. The link to the battle computer weakened the Supreme by making it more susceptible to the emotions of the child being used for their machine, and her using power for her electro-attacls drains the Supreme's mental and physical energy, leaving it vulnerable and disorientated
@@dalekbumps I guess.. maybe? Honestly it feels like a plot element they forgot about. To the earlier scene with Davros being revealed as the emperor. I feel like it was only there because only Davros had the pride enough to fire up the Hand without testing it first.. which Im sure the more logical Daleks would of done. Im not even sure Davros should of been in rememberance.
Its an awesome serial but for Davros and the ending of the supreme Renegade dalek.
Its one of best scenes for me
Someone never watched Dalek, then. The Dalek in that was lost without a purpose, because if a Dalek can’t conquer, enslave or exterminate, then it prefers death. The Daleks actually asked the Doctor what it was meant to do without orders from its superiors, because it genuinely didn’t have a plan other than to exterminate everyone who stood in its way - because that’s the only thing it had ever been taught to do.