The real reason why Davros is always angry. Because even though he has exterminated everything in the universe, he still can't get unlimited rice pudding.
I love this story. Considering it was made at a time when the BBC hated Who, deliberately scheduled it up against Coronation Street and gave it a budget of 50p, it's a little gem. McCoy is fabulous.
The fact that this one turned out so well was an accident on the part of the BBC. The person they hired to write it had never worked in TV before, and was a Doctor Who fanboy. The BBC had been getting terrible scripts from fanboys in the mail for decades, and assumed this guy was just more of the same. He wound up writing what most fans consider the true 25th Anniversary episode, rather than the one that officially has that honor, Silver Nemesis.
@@RopeDrink Yes, now that you mention it. Hopping back and forth between time, villains trying to seize some alien artifact of immense power, bringing back an iconic enemy...but Nemesis gets lost in it's muddy plot.
What I liked about the Seventh Doctor was that he felt like a full evolution of the Doctor. He felt like a culmination of advantages the other Doctors had shown (such as using being underestimated to his advantage and his wordplay), but with a streak of experience that made him come off more ruthless and many times more manipulative than usual. He’s played the game for so long that he started to evolve beyond his major enemies like Davros, Master, and Fenric (established to have lost to the Doctor before). The Time War was pretty much the universe biting back at him.
this is the last of the doctors pre time war, so the oldest to date 950 years old at the time. All the doctors were intelligent, and 2nd was notorious for playing the fool to hide this intellect, but this one has inhuman ruthlessness as well. NEVER make the mistake of thinking he's human. He's not!!!
This is why the 7th Doctor is so important (they all are, but still). 7 paved the way for the Doctor we have today - both in terms of character and story.
@@FrankNFurter1000 Definitely. The first anti-hero Doctor. I really love that type of character. The Doctor should not be happy-go-lucky, wonderfully bumbling through time. The Doctor has seen and done some horrendous things. They should be cruel and nasty at times and morally difficult. It's very human (even though they're a timelord)
He did start it off with a massive defeat for the Daleks though. Skaro gets blown up and the return blast destroys the Dalek mothership moments after Davros escapes.
The time war actually started in Genesis of the Daleks, when the 4th was sent back in time by the time lords to Skaro to stop the development of the Daleks as they became to powerful and was a blight on the universe, this is the Daleks retaliation from that event by searching for the hand of omega, which properly started the great time war, but there has been more than one time war.
novels, wiki and TV series, although wiki is not always correct, but tom bakers storyline of genesis of the Daleks is where the time lords cast first blood that gave birth to one of the time wars which I am assuming is the great time war mentioned in the revived series.
Davros: WE WILL BECOME ALL- Doctor: Powerful! Crush the lesser races! Conquer the galaxy! Unimaginable power! Unlimited rice pudding! Et Cetera! Et Cetera
@@christophercarey3232 Doctor: Oh wonderfull, what power, what brilliance! You can wipe out the odd civilization, enslave the ocational culture, but it wouldn't track from the basic fundamental truth of your own IMPOTENCE!!!!
He didn't. But you have to dig deep in the canon to find the full story. Originally he trundled around in a motorized wheelchair like the lower half of the classic Dalek but at some point (presumably still early in the development of the canon) the Daleks were portrayed in comic strips as being ruled by an emperor who looked like the "egg chair" though the contents of the egg were never unveiled. And of course, there was also a "Supreme Dalek" which AFAIK may, or may not have incorporated Davros.
The Dalek Emperor from "The Evil of the Daleks" did not look like an egg. More like an oversized coffee pot. And since Davros was not invented yet and he dies in this story it is pretty clear this Emperor was not Davros. The Supreme Daleks are also clearly Daleks. In fact Davros got in a civil war with one of them and allies with the ones in the Revival.
@@fyraltari1889 he's talking about a VERY early comic strip.....I have seen it somewhere, i just can't remember. I do recall the "egg dalek emperor" being gold. Davros chair here is just inspired by that design
"You can wipe out the odd civilisation, and enslave the occasional culture, but it still won't detract from the basic fundamental truth of your own impotence!" Is it me or did Ben Aaronovitch understand the Daleks better than anyone?
Terry Malloy's Davros was just amazing I love his rant about wiping out Gallifrey and becoming lords of time. He really does sound like a outer space Hitler especially when it cuts to him on the low quality TV.
Can we just give credit to Terry Molloy here for his excellent performance as Davros. I’d definitely says his incarnation of Davros is the most Dramatic and Shakespearian. He is so effective in delivering even the simplest of lines and making them become so iconic. I only wish we had gotten more stories with Terry Molloy as Davros in classic who as I think he’s definitely my favourite in terms of his line delivery. Well done To him for managing to make the character as iconic as in his first appearance. Xx
You should check out Big Finish’s audios, then. The audio series _I, Davros_ even has Molloy playing Davros *before* he was crippled, and his performance is still so bloody good!
@@Cybermat47 Indeed. It's a great collection. Terry Malloy often gets remembered as the shouty Davros, but he does it so well, and it's easy to overlook how great he is during the quieter and contemplative Davros moments too. Wisher will always be fondly remembered for his first portrayal, and rightly so, but I love Terry Malloy's version just a teeny bit more.
What is amazing is that even though Davros created the Daleks, is responsible for the deaths of countless life forms, has attempted to commit genocide against everything in every universe at every moment, created an empire that would destroy time and space and obliterate reality, thus murdering every lifeform that ever has and ever will exist in every universe in every reality, the Doctor still tried to save him. As the Matt Smith Doctor said to Captain Picard in the comic book series Assimilation Squared: "We help our enemies because it is proof that we are better than they are". God bless you Doctor. Here is to another fifty wonderful years.
I'm not sure how you could think the Doctor is trying to save Davros in this scene. He's quite clearly manipulating Davros into using the Hand Of Omega and blowing up his homeworld
That is a line I have found myself using unfortunately often recently. Here in Australia some SAS soldiers were found to have committed warcrimes against the Taliban. I got in this exact debate more than a few times with people. "They would do it, have done it to us." "Yes, but aren't we better than them? Aren't we the 'good guys'?"
How each Doctor would handle this scene Davros: We will become all powerful One: All powerful. You stupid old fool, you dare threaten me sir. I tell you, you shall regret this sir. Now listen to me and put that ridiculous toy down Two: Oh no. No you can't do this. Such power should never be wielded by the likes of you. Now put it down before you do something you'll regret. Three: Now you listen to me. You are meddling in powers beyond your control. Four: Powerful, But what need have you for such power Davros. So much responsibility. Why not just sit back watch the stars and have a jelly baby. They're ever so good you know Five: Davros, I beg of you. Be reasonable. The hand is a powerful weapon. If you use it you don't know what it will do. Please. You must listen to me. Six: You, dried out chair bound raisin. That is time lord technology you hold there. It is far too advanced to be used by such a simple decadent race like the Daleks. Put that thing down before you hurt yourself Seven: Powerful Crush the lesser races Conquer the Galaxy Unimaginable power! Unlimited rice pudding! Et Cetera! Et Cetera Eight: Oh, but you don't see the danger of such power. That kind of power corrupts whatever it touches. If you try to wield such power it will destroy you War: Oh, for gods sake. Your arrogance is tiring. Get on with it you decrepid fool. I do wish you would stop wasting my time with all this talk. Nine: Let's see how much power the Daleks wield. because if you use that thing I will climb aboard that ship and tear every last stinking Dalek apart with my bare hands Ten: You just don't get it. Power is nothing. You have nothing, Davros and I'm sorry. I really am very sorry. But remember. You did this Eleven: Ah ha. There's power in that hand but nowhere near that much. And you know what. I think you've forgotten who your dealing with I think you've forgotten who brought the hand to Earth in the first place. Or to put it another way Davros. The sun will set on Skaro for the last time Twelve: Just shut up. Shut up you wrinkly old waste of space. You should take your hand of Omega and throw it into space because if just one person dies on your watch today I will hunt you down I will peel your disgusting person out of that bloody chair and throw you and all your pepper pot pals into a supernova where you can spend your last moments contemplating how weak and insignificant your pointless existence has been.
I always loved Terry Malloy as Davros. He's always one word away from devolving into a shouting, rage-fuelled, power-tripping dictator who will never get off the Dalek's high horse - but he's also fantastic during quiet and contemplative discussions, particularly in Big Finish.
In my mind, it actually sounds like a child's temper tantrum if you listen to how he says things like "Daleks will sweep away Gallifrey!" So to be honest, the Fifth Doctor was kinda right when he called Davros a child and judging by how much of Davros' childhood wasn't that much of a childhood at all, that assessment just makes even more sense.
+nauseouspenguin That was the eighth doctor. Davros's ship flew into the mouth of the nightmare child in the first year of the war, while the doctor was still Paul McGann.
Yes it was a great story. Very much so. Ace was cool then , she helped me ignore that Scottish accent of Sylvester Mccoy. And admiral ozzlel of star wars in there.
I can't help but feel a little sad. Being born in 1993, for the first ten eleven or twelve years of my life, me and a couple of friends loved Doctor Who and no other kids knew about it. I'm glad that the 2005 revival turned the show into a huge, worldwide brand, but I can't help missing those days when you'd be gobsmacked if another kid knew and liked Doctor Who...
+Ben Bastiani I understand your feeling and in a way almost, know.... As a Lego kid from the 90s and 2000s (I was born in 94), I am sad of what Lego is now thanks to 2014, since now everything Lego is labeled "everything is awesome" >:( ... of course, there is still most of the lines and characters from that era such as Lego Island, Johnny Thunder, Knights Kingdom, Jack Stone, ect. I always feel happy when coming across someone or a piece on DeviantART (and other sites) that show remembrance to them. Although the themes deserve to have another chance at spotlight, I wonder if they are special being underrated (the same goes for films such as Treasure Planet).
It was good it was revived but it came with a lot of consequences, one being now Disney have their hands on it which means many fans can't watch it any more, I wish it had stayed small really, everything is always ruined once yanks get involved.
I'm curious - I never got to see that episode in full. Is 7th's mocking moment referenced in TMApprentice, or do people just decide to come here for more Doctor v Davros goodness?
The Doctor is so dark here that he actually begs Davros not to use the Hand...actually giving him good advice while being completely aware of the consequences...7 was an heartless schemer! 😀
@OpenMawProductions It did escalate the war into a death war that davros was willing to sacrifice his race for. Before this there was a chance for a peace settlement. After this it was guaranteed to be the end of both sides.
To be honest, I never liked the seventh Doctor, but watched to the bitter end because Ace was such a great character. I remember thinking that it wasn't just me who thought that when the famous/infamous moment happened when a BBC continuity announcer said "...and now, Dr Who starring Sophie Aldred and Sylvester McCoy."
@Geoff Pulham Genesis of the daleks. I know its an obvious choice but it does have the 4th doctor, Sarah jane smith and harry sullivan in it. It introduced davros as well
To be honest I love his laugh here - it gives the impression that he just doesn't do it enough (or at all), hence it's so off when he finally laughs on those super rare occasions. Normally he's screaming or whispering in his little space-chair.
McCoy arrived as the Doctor in this episode. He grew on me over the years and I really rate him now. Shame he didn't have a few more years on TV as the Doctor.
Oh yes, the whole reason why the Daleks want to conquer the Milky Way. Unlimited rice pudding. They found out that Earth is full of rice pudding so they want Earth in order to have it.
I believe this is Pamela Salem's third involvement in Doctor Who. Before "Remembrance of the Daleks", she provided a voice over role in "The Face of Evil" and then appeared in the subsequent story "The Robots of Death".
Doc: "Every time our paths have crossed I have defeated you." Dav: "HAHAHAHAHAHEEEEE. You FLATTER yourself, Doctor. In the end you are merely another TIME LORD!" Doc: "Oh, Davros. I am FAR more than JUST another Time Lord." I'll never, ever understand why they cut that out of the televised version.
If I remember right, Andrew Cartmel, who was the showrunner at the time, had the idea that The Doctor was actually one of the founding members of the time lord society alongside Omega and Rassilon, basically making him a pseudo God like figure. The idea was (righty imo) shot down by executives during this season so all references to that plot line were cut. However, Silvwr Nemesis managed to integrate that into its plot, with its not so subtle nods to the Doctor literally being god
They felt it was too overt. Andrew Cartmel heavily redid the last episode of Survival as well for the same reason. In the original script, the Master rattled off a lot of the Doctor's origin story.
Davros: WE WILL BECOME ALL- Doctor: Powerful! Crush the lesser races! Conquer the galaxy! Unimaginable power! Unlimited rice pudding! Et Cetera! Et Cetera LOL I love that part :P
I mean, same would therefore go for the 2005-9 era if you're doing that take, I see no reason to differentiate, the first 10 series of New Who were consistent in quality until Chibnal blundered it into oblivion. Either way I think you're exaggerating but still.
Love Sylvester McCoy doctor's , he's was badass , brilliant , heroic , charismatic , sweet, gorgeous and damn sexy ! , one the most underrated doctors of classic who .
djayscratcher in which the Timelords sent the Doctor to stop their creation. Thus by chronological order, the Timewar started there but from the doctors view was it when he visited Skaro with susan.
I love this story but if there's one element of it I don't think gets brought up enough it's the fact that the first doctor STOLE the Hand of Omega from the timelords along with his TARDIS and was never tried for it. THAT is why he is so paranoid in an unearthly child.
It really feels like we are missing a piece in the puzzle when it comes to what happend to the daleks after this episode but before the time war. I don't know if it was said in one of the new who episodes but we never really got to find out who won the dalek civil war and why the daleks after the time war seemed to be working together it is implied that the renegade faction won after davros was apparantly killed in the time war and when he was saved by dalek Caan he was taken prisoner immediately and treated like there pet but in the first series 9 two parter he seems to be reinstated as the leader with even the supreme dalek the leader of the renegade faction being obedient to him.
Both sets of Daleks were wiped out in Remembrance by The Doctor and themselves. Davros survives Remembrance by means of an escape pod. Thus, he can start from scratch, avoiding the issue altogether.
Fairly sure here's what happened: The Dalek Civil War ended here with the destruction of Skaro's sun. The Doctor tells the Renegade Supreme Dalek that he is useless, and the Dalek self destructs, being the last of the Renegade Daleks present on Earth. From there, while the timeline is confusing, it is clear. We know that the Renegade Daleks are superior to the Inferior ones (the Battle at Foreman's Yard, where they won despite being outnumbered prior to the advent of the Special Weapons Dalek) and we know that the Imperial Daleks occupied Skaro, having taken it earlier. At this time, the Renegade Faction, which earlier could be said to be winning the Dalek Civil War, are losing. They don't own Skaro and their numbers are fewer, but they still presumably control most of the remaining Dalek worlds. Then, in the events of Remembrance, the Daleks have a battle on Earth, with Davros investing all his resources into the matter - the entire force of Imperial Daleks, save those occupying Skaro. The Renegade Daleks, while they commit much, don't commit all their forces. Then Davros destroys Skaro (which is later... uh... reconstructed... or something... or apparently... it wasn't Skaro at all... and that was... a lie... I don't know...) and in the end, Davros is presumed dead by the Daleks, and while the Dalek Supreme on Earth was destroyed, the Dalek Prime - the true leader of the Renegades - survives. Here it gets wonky. The Imperial faction, without Davros, is defeated. They are subsequently dubbed the 'renegades' by the former Renegades - now the new Imperial Faction - who are victorious. The remnants of the old Imperial Daleks are rounded up and destroyed or reintegrated while the remaining Daleks consolidate, the Dalek Prime (who was actually one of the original Daleks who 'killed' Davros in Genesis, according to material) would be transformed into the Dalek Emperor and begin the reconstruction of the Dalek Empire. While the Daleks were damaged by the loss of Skaro, they had other worlds made for Dalek creation, research, and manufacture, so they would not be lost. During this reconstruction, the Daleks discovered Davros, who sued for peace and surrendered. The re-integrated Imperial Daleks who served Davros presumably vouched for him, saying that his brain was essential for the Daleks, and Davros, while he did not command the Daleks, was very important. The Dalek Emperor would watch him, however, and it may well have been under his order that Davros's ship flew into the jaws of the Nightmare Child. It was most likely Davros's ambitions for the successful victory of his species that lead them to begin the Time War. While they would later say that the events of Genesis were the beginning, the true beginning of the Time War is a little foggy (for a war fought all across time), and it can be instead said that Genesis was more like the Versailles of the Daleks - they were initially weakened, but they later came back for revenge. Thus connects the history between the Dalek Civil War and the Time War.
I'm guessing that it was something that happened during the Time War that caused Davris to revert from this back to his original appearance for The Stolen Earth/Journeys End.
When Davros returned in Series 4, I was disappointed that Terry Molloy didn't reprise the role. I hoped he would because he played the role more times than the other three actors did. He'll be returning in Series 8 and it'll definitely be Julian Bleach reprising the role a second time.
TheBobBrom Well, South Park is a comedy cartoon, they dont need logic. Comics have so many continuities, they really don't always end up consistent. Tennant would probably have tried to save Davros, but you hear am explosion and hear him scream, as a slightly shaken Tennant looks on. I still cannot believe you compared Doctor Who to South Park.
Michael Wisher defined the part and set the standard for those who followed. Terry Molloy was good but chewed the scenery rather more, especially in this scene actually.
When I first saw Julian Bleach I backed across the couch... just like all those kids must have done in 1964 the first time they saw a Dalek. Terrifyingly good tribute to the late Mr. Wisher. Don't forget David Gooderson did the best he could in Michael Wisher's mask (literally!).
Matt Maloney Oh I don't know! I quite liked the way he delivered the lines "I think I am quite capable of handling the tek-nolo-jehhh" and the way he breathlessly says "aaaaand … with that power at my disposal". He then, deliberately but for good reason, falls into an Adolf Hitler canter. I think that's good. And of course there's "NOW YOU BEGIN TO FEARRRRR" :-)
whophd It's called "camping it up". But then he is playing against Sylvester McCoy, who is often regarded as the most camp and least popular Doctor ever, so perhaps we shouldn't blame Molloy when camp had become the order of the day.
McCoy was campy his 1st season. He became much more dangerous in seasons 2 and 3. Unfortunately for both it was a time where the BBC was basically looking to run the show off the air. Just my opinion, but I always thought Colin Baker was the least popular of the Doctors of the original series.
This is one of my favorite adventures! It honestly scared me when I was little, when the Dalek battle computer cut contact with the poor little girl. I was always glad Ace was there to comfort her after the horror she went through. PS I always wanted to punch Mike!
I can’t find the clip from immediately after this, but it’s one of my favourite moments in the series. Like, we’ve had a whole season of this Doctor being a bumbling clown, and even here he’s hamming it up a bit, but when Davros realises he’s beaten the Doctor is suddenly ice cold, and it really hammers home what a calculating chess master this Doctor really is. “You tricked me!” “No Davros. You tricked yourself.”
The real reason why Davros is always angry. Because even though he has exterminated everything in the universe, he still can't get unlimited rice pudding.
So he created the Daleks, had them destroy everything, just to get unlimited rice pudding?!
I'd like to to have unlimited rice pudding!
@Exurb1a
I want unlimited Rice Pudding
"Give me unlimited rice pudding and I'll stop exterminating!"
I love this story. Considering it was made at a time when the BBC hated Who, deliberately scheduled it up against Coronation Street and gave it a budget of 50p, it's a little gem. McCoy is fabulous.
Plus the fact that people didn't really expect much from it since the Daleks were coming back for the millionth time.
The fact that this one turned out so well was an accident on the part of the BBC. The person they hired to write it had never worked in TV before, and was a Doctor Who fanboy. The BBC had been getting terrible scripts from fanboys in the mail for decades, and assumed this guy was just more of the same. He wound up writing what most fans consider the true 25th Anniversary episode, rather than the one that officially has that honor, Silver Nemesis.
vanillaorchid The character of Ace had a lot of depth. Too bad we didn't get another series. "Come along, Ace. We have work to do"
Which is strange considering SilvNem and RemoDaleks are glaringly similar stories.
@@RopeDrink Yes, now that you mention it. Hopping back and forth between time, villains trying to seize some alien artifact of immense power, bringing back an iconic enemy...but Nemesis gets lost in it's muddy plot.
What I liked about the Seventh Doctor was that he felt like a full evolution of the Doctor. He felt like a culmination of advantages the other Doctors had shown (such as using being underestimated to his advantage and his wordplay), but with a streak of experience that made him come off more ruthless and many times more manipulative than usual. He’s played the game for so long that he started to evolve beyond his major enemies like Davros, Master, and Fenric (established to have lost to the Doctor before).
The Time War was pretty much the universe biting back at him.
this is the last of the doctors pre time war, so the oldest to date 950 years old at the time. All the doctors were intelligent, and 2nd was notorious for playing the fool to hide this intellect, but this one has inhuman ruthlessness as well. NEVER make the mistake of thinking he's human. He's not!!!
Spot. On.
This is why the 7th Doctor is so important (they all are, but still). 7 paved the way for the Doctor we have today - both in terms of character and story.
@@FrankNFurter1000 Definitely. The first anti-hero Doctor. I really love that type of character. The Doctor should not be happy-go-lucky, wonderfully bumbling through time. The Doctor has seen and done some horrendous things. They should be cruel and nasty at times and morally difficult. It's very human (even though they're a timelord)
When you get to the point in a war that you're sick and tired of playing by the rules and throw everything that you have against your enemies
"AH, UA-cam... YOU HAVE CHANGED AGAIN! YOUR APPEARANCE IS AS INCONSTANT AS YOUR INTELLIGENCE! YOU HAVE CONFOUNDED ME... FOR THE LAST... TIME!!!"
This should be top
*Angry fan appears out of Dalek Emperor*
Especially the app fir the iPhone
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Makshood Ahmed that's the whole point
See, this how Time Wars get started.
He did start it off with a massive defeat for the Daleks though. Skaro gets blown up and the return blast destroys the Dalek mothership moments after Davros escapes.
The time war actually started in Genesis of the Daleks, when the 4th was sent back in time by the time lords to Skaro to stop the development of the Daleks as they became to powerful and was a blight on the universe, this is the Daleks retaliation from that event by searching for the hand of omega, which properly started the great time war, but there has been more than one time war.
novels, wiki and TV series, although wiki is not always correct, but tom bakers storyline of genesis of the Daleks is where the time lords cast first blood that gave birth to one of the time wars which I am assuming is the great time war mentioned in the revived series.
The cause of time wars are actually caused by declining a tea offer.
Derek Smallshorts
Because the time lords have the secret to unlimited rice pudding?
Imagine how powerful the Daleks could be if they had unlimited rice pudding!
we'd all be doomed.
the universe would collapse
from us being too fat xD
+Endyrym you sound like a dalek
thank u :D
I know it’s very subtle, but I love how Davros’ voice changes slightly from when he is speaking as himself and the Dalek Emperor.
Davros: WE WILL BECOME ALL-
Doctor: Powerful! Crush the lesser races! Conquer the galaxy! Unimaginable power! Unlimited rice pudding! Et Cetera! Et Cetera
Best Doctor Line ever 😆
2:40 In case you wanted the timelink ;-)
Davros: Don't anger me, Doctor! I will destroy you and this miserable planet!
@@christophercarey3232 Doctor: Oh wonderfull, what power, what brilliance! You can wipe out the odd civilization, enslave the ocational culture, but it wouldn't track from the basic fundamental truth of your own IMPOTENCE!!!!
LOL NICE DOCTOR!
I love how Davros complains about the Doctor changing, yet I'm sure he didn't start in that ridiculous egg chair.
He didn't. But you have to dig deep in the canon to find the full story. Originally he trundled around in a motorized wheelchair like the lower half of the classic Dalek but at some point (presumably still early in the development of the canon) the Daleks were portrayed in comic strips as being ruled by an emperor who looked like the "egg chair" though the contents of the egg were never unveiled. And of course, there was also a "Supreme Dalek" which AFAIK may, or may not have incorporated Davros.
At least he switched to a pepperpot.
The Dalek Emperor from "The Evil of the Daleks" did not look like an egg. More like an oversized coffee pot. And since Davros was not invented yet and he dies in this story it is pretty clear this Emperor was not Davros.
The Supreme Daleks are also clearly Daleks. In fact Davros got in a civil war with one of them and allies with the ones in the Revival.
@@fyraltari1889 he's talking about a VERY early comic strip.....I have seen it somewhere, i just can't remember. I do recall the "egg dalek emperor" being gold. Davros chair here is just inspired by that design
@@myschabutt6074 There also the Dalek Emperor from evil
"You can wipe out the odd civilisation, and enslave the occasional culture, but it still won't detract from the basic fundamental truth of your own impotence!"
Is it me or did Ben Aaronovitch understand the Daleks better than anyone?
Terry Malloy's Davros was just amazing I love his rant about wiping out Gallifrey and becoming lords of time. He really does sound like a outer space Hitler especially when it cuts to him on the low quality TV.
Can we just give credit to Terry Molloy here for his excellent performance as Davros. I’d definitely says his incarnation of Davros is the most Dramatic and Shakespearian. He is so effective in delivering even the simplest of lines and making them become so iconic. I only wish we had gotten more stories with Terry Molloy as Davros in classic who as I think he’s definitely my favourite in terms of his line delivery. Well done To him for managing to make the character as iconic as in his first appearance. Xx
You should check out Big Finish’s audios, then. The audio series _I, Davros_ even has Molloy playing Davros *before* he was crippled, and his performance is still so bloody good!
@@Cybermat47 Indeed. It's a great collection. Terry Malloy often gets remembered as the shouty Davros, but he does it so well, and it's easy to overlook how great he is during the quieter and contemplative Davros moments too. Wisher will always be fondly remembered for his first portrayal, and rightly so, but I love Terry Malloy's version just a teeny bit more.
Davros: You flatter yourself, Doctor! In the end, you are merely another Time Lord!
Doctor: Oh, Davros, I am far more than just another Time Lord.
I wished they Kept that in.
***** In the deleted scenes, yes, but not in the actual episode on the DVD release.
Will we see Davros in Series 8?.... Who knows.... WHO knows...
SP Murphy
'I see into your soul Doctor...'
I don't think that it is Davros in the trailer. It sounds more like a special Dalek like the Dalek Time Controler.
unlimited rice pudding: the true ultimate goal of the Daleks
Unlimited rice pudding xD
ET CETERA ! ET CETERA !
ETC!
ALL-POWERFUL, CRUSH THE LESSER RACES, CONQUER THE GALAXY, UNIMAGINABLE POWER, UNLIMITED RICE PUDDING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA!
You could just have gone 2:42 , or is typing it out in caps more gratifying?...
HuntingTarg It's more fun
What is amazing is that even though Davros created the Daleks, is responsible for the deaths of countless life forms, has attempted to commit genocide against everything in every universe at every moment, created an empire that would destroy time and space and obliterate reality, thus murdering every lifeform that ever has and ever will exist in every universe in every reality, the Doctor still tried to save him. As the Matt Smith Doctor said to Captain Picard in the comic book series Assimilation Squared: "We help our enemies because it is proof that we are better than they are". God bless you Doctor. Here is to another fifty wonderful years.
I'm not sure how you could think the Doctor is trying to save Davros in this scene. He's quite clearly manipulating Davros into using the Hand Of Omega and blowing up his homeworld
@@Super_Mario128
I don't think it's obvious, nor would I argue that American sci-fi is better than British or vice versa. It doesn't matter to me.
We help our enemies so we can still call it a kids show lol
That is a line I have found myself using unfortunately often recently. Here in Australia some SAS soldiers were found to have committed warcrimes against the Taliban. I got in this exact debate more than a few times with people.
"They would do it, have done it to us."
"Yes, but aren't we better than them? Aren't we the 'good guys'?"
That outburst clearly explains why the Seventh Doctor is one of my favorites.
and the most manipulative version of him
Michael Diaz I also love the Seventh Doctor! He was different but also had this charasmatic charm that I liked a lot!
How each Doctor would handle this scene
Davros: We will become all powerful
One: All powerful. You stupid old fool, you dare threaten me sir. I tell you, you shall regret this sir. Now listen to me and put that ridiculous toy down
Two: Oh no. No you can't do this. Such power should never be wielded by the likes of you. Now put it down before you do something you'll regret.
Three: Now you listen to me. You are meddling in powers beyond your control.
Four: Powerful, But what need have you for such power Davros. So much responsibility. Why not just sit back watch the stars and have a jelly baby. They're ever so good you know
Five: Davros, I beg of you. Be reasonable. The hand is a powerful weapon. If you use it you don't know what it will do. Please. You must listen to me.
Six: You, dried out chair bound raisin. That is time lord technology you hold there. It is far too advanced to be used by such a simple decadent race like the Daleks. Put that thing down before you hurt yourself
Seven: Powerful Crush the lesser races Conquer the Galaxy Unimaginable power! Unlimited rice pudding! Et Cetera! Et Cetera
Eight: Oh, but you don't see the danger of such power. That kind of power corrupts whatever it touches. If you try to wield such power it will destroy you
War: Oh, for gods sake. Your arrogance is tiring. Get on with it you decrepid fool. I do wish you would stop wasting my time with all this talk.
Nine: Let's see how much power the Daleks wield. because if you use that thing I will climb aboard that ship and tear every last stinking Dalek apart with my bare hands
Ten: You just don't get it. Power is nothing. You have nothing, Davros and I'm sorry. I really am very sorry. But remember. You did this
Eleven: Ah ha. There's power in that hand but nowhere near that much. And you know what. I think you've forgotten who your dealing with I think you've forgotten who brought the hand to Earth in the first place. Or to put it another way Davros. The sun will set on Skaro for the last time
Twelve: Just shut up. Shut up you wrinkly old waste of space. You should take your hand of Omega and throw it into space because if just one person dies on your watch today I will hunt you down I will peel your disgusting person out of that bloody chair and throw you and all your pepper pot pals into a supernova where you can spend your last moments contemplating how weak and insignificant your pointless existence has been.
👏Well done. Very well done. 👏
I can only hear the voices of one, two and 8-12! 😞
Nicely done!
Vitamin C. B. No I heard them too
I can hear all that voices saying this!
I always loved Terry Malloy as Davros. He's always one word away from devolving into a shouting, rage-fuelled, power-tripping dictator who will never get off the Dalek's high horse - but he's also fantastic during quiet and contemplative discussions, particularly in Big Finish.
2:37 I love how his speech becomes less human and more Dalek like as his speech crescendos into a manic declaration of dalek power
In my mind, it actually sounds like a child's temper tantrum if you listen to how he says things like "Daleks will sweep away Gallifrey!"
So to be honest, the Fifth Doctor was kinda right when he called Davros a child and judging by how much of Davros' childhood wasn't that much of a childhood at all, that assessment just makes even more sense.
Doctor: Every time our paths have crossed I have defeated you.
Davros: *Laughs*
Laugh all you want Davros, he isn't wrong 😂
Imagine the 12th doctor's take on this scene! He'd might say something like "Oh shut up! You impotent Man chair!"
the tenth doctor would try to save davros
Silver sun14379 LOL
+zinki120 The 12th would try to kill Davros
+nauseouspenguin
That was the eighth doctor. Davros's ship flew into the mouth of the nightmare child in the first year of the war, while the doctor was still Paul McGann.
He'd have his chair.
God, the way he says pudding gets me every time.
POODINHG!
@@dereklouden7415Et cetera! Et cetera!
Remembrance of the Daleks in my opinion was a Doctor Who masterpiece.
My favourite story
No, it was childish shit. Dumb generic plot. Still his best story though
Yes it was a great story. Very much so. Ace was cool then , she helped me ignore that Scottish accent of Sylvester Mccoy. And admiral ozzlel of star wars in there.
I wish I could have unlimited rice pudding.
Matt 'Khandricar' Claypole ECT ECT ECT
+Matt 'Sons of Epsilon' Claypole unlimited Bacon!
I know... it's the most delicious, hunger-inducing insult I've heard thus far
Damn, it couldn't of been tapioca pudding? The cruelty of davros knows no mercy! Wait no, mercy he does know.
that's what i was thinking.
R.I.P. Davros, get's roasted by the Doctor every time!
And that's how the Time War started...The threat of unlimited rice pudding!
McCoy will always be my favourite Doctor. I feel he was so underrated. Legend!
bet your about 38 to 42
He's the only Doctor I met in person!
I can't help but feel a little sad. Being born in 1993, for the first ten eleven or twelve years of my life, me and a couple of friends loved Doctor Who and no other kids knew about it. I'm glad that the 2005 revival turned the show into a huge, worldwide brand, but I can't help missing those days when you'd be gobsmacked if another kid knew and liked Doctor Who...
+Ben Bastiani I understand your feeling and in a way almost, know.... As a Lego kid from the 90s and 2000s (I was born in 94), I am sad of what Lego is now thanks to 2014, since now everything Lego is labeled "everything is awesome" >:( ... of course, there is still most of the lines and characters from that era such as Lego Island, Johnny Thunder, Knights Kingdom, Jack Stone, ect. I always feel happy when coming across someone or a piece on DeviantART (and other sites) that show remembrance to them. Although the themes deserve to have another chance at spotlight, I wonder if they are special being underrated (the same goes for films such as Treasure Planet).
It's EXTREMELY rare to find a Whovian here in asia.
It was good it was revived but it came with a lot of consequences, one being now Disney have their hands on it which means many fans can't watch it any more, I wish it had stayed small really, everything is always ruined once yanks get involved.
I want unlimited rice pudding!
I am now going to take over the earth and force them to give me unlimited rice pudding! :D Who's with me?
Matty Moore For the Pudding Empire!!
RISE FOR DA EMPIRE
le pun intended
So does Exurb1a
After just seeing The Magician's Apprentice I got to hear 7 mock Davros once more ;w;
That is why I'm here too :)
I'm curious - I never got to see that episode in full. Is 7th's mocking moment referenced in TMApprentice, or do people just decide to come here for more Doctor v Davros goodness?
Both
LOL I love Davros' laugh at 1:20
It's official... Davros became a parody of himself
The Doctor is so dark here that he actually begs Davros not to use the Hand...actually giving him good advice while being completely aware of the consequences...7 was an heartless schemer! 😀
Like him in big finish
No not mocking, The Doctor is goading Davros into using the Hand Of Omega, many think this is part of the time war.
Welp, this is probably how the last great time war began.
Great diplomacy, Doc.
Oh it started long before this. Like diplomacy would work with Davros. He's not interested in diplomacy.
@OpenMawProductions It did escalate the war into a death war that davros was willing to sacrifice his race for.
Before this there was a chance for a peace settlement.
After this it was guaranteed to be the end of both sides.
Dat unlimited rice pudding.
Do
The reveal of Davros was so good at the time. Also - the Daleks Civil War. Both things that made this story so good.
Love how the first Doctor Davros met is the 12th but it was the 4th Doctor who met Davros first.
Tom Baker "The Genesis of the Daleks" one of my favorite classic adventures!
Davros really needs to stay away from the sun bed.
Everyone's going on about the unlimited rice pudding bit, but I can't get over the pure condescension in the delivery of "I sincerely doubt that."
Ace was just ace wasn't she, one of the best companions ever
She was also the one to kick a dark butt
To be honest, I never liked the seventh Doctor, but watched to the bitter end because Ace was such a great character. I remember thinking that it wasn't just me who thought that when the famous/infamous moment happened when a BBC continuity announcer said "...and now, Dr Who starring Sophie Aldred and Sylvester McCoy."
Remembrance of the Daleks has matured into a classic.
It’s always been a classic.
@JwwProd i agree. Probably my 2nd favourite dr who story
@@brendansheerin8980 What's your favourite? I'd probably have to go for The Seeds of Doom. Followed by Dalek.
@Geoff Pulham Genesis of the daleks. I know its an obvious choice but it does have the 4th doctor, Sarah jane smith and harry sullivan in it. It introduced davros as well
@@geoffpulham5032 seeds of doom is a great story
This is Doctor Who going into humour and mockery without becoming like how whimsical the Matt Smith era was.
God I forgot how manipulative 7 was. Fantastic performance from McCoy and Molloy.
"AH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAYEEEEE"
Good lord, it's a good thing Davros improved his laugh when he returned in Series 4 onwards.
+DCMarvel2009 Yeah, he spent all those years practicing.
I died laughing once I read this comment, Darth!
To be honest I love his laugh here - it gives the impression that he just doesn't do it enough (or at all), hence it's so off when he finally laughs on those super rare occasions. Normally he's screaming or whispering in his little space-chair.
Its the HEE at the end that always gets me. The rest of the laugh was fine. At the end he sounds like the Pillsbury Doughboy!
His laugh in Revelation of the Daleks is even funnier
the best classic line out of any dalek episode to date "unlimited rice pudding", i keep coming back now and again for a good laugh
1:21 That fucking laugh. No matter how many times I rewatch it that "HEE" at the end just sends me every time.
I love when the Doctor and Davros talk its like two massive intellects facing off against each other
McCoy arrived as the Doctor in this episode. He grew on me over the years and I really rate him now. Shame he didn't have a few more years on TV as the Doctor.
2:49 UNLIMITED RICE PUDDING
Oh yes, the whole reason why the Daleks want to conquer the Milky Way. Unlimited rice pudding. They found out that Earth is full of rice pudding so they want Earth in order to have it.
I believe this is Pamela Salem's third involvement in Doctor Who. Before "Remembrance of the Daleks", she provided a voice over role in "The Face of Evil" and then appeared in the subsequent story "The Robots of Death".
loved her as Belar in Into the Labyrith
Doc: "Every time our paths have crossed I have defeated you."
Dav: "HAHAHAHAHAHEEEEE. You FLATTER yourself, Doctor. In the end you are merely another TIME LORD!"
Doc: "Oh, Davros. I am FAR more than JUST another Time Lord."
I'll never, ever understand why they cut that out of the televised version.
RopeDrink they said because religious and can confuse that the doctor is a god
Prescott Señor Del Tiempo uh... what?
If I remember right, Andrew Cartmel, who was the showrunner at the time, had the idea that The Doctor was actually one of the founding members of the time lord society alongside Omega and Rassilon, basically making him a pseudo God like figure. The idea was (righty imo) shot down by executives during this season so all references to that plot line were cut. However, Silvwr Nemesis managed to integrate that into its plot, with its not so subtle nods to the Doctor literally being god
Unlimited Rice Pudding I need you
They felt it was too overt. Andrew Cartmel heavily redid the last episode of Survival as well for the same reason. In the original script, the Master rattled off a lot of the Doctor's origin story.
"Save your insults for the weak minded, Doctor."
"I thought I already was" would have been such an amazing comeback, lol.
Davros: WE WILL BECOME ALL-
Doctor: Powerful! Crush the lesser races! Conquer the galaxy! Unimaginable power! Unlimited rice pudding! Et Cetera! Et Cetera
LOL I love that part :P
Davros has more wires leading in and out of his body than a 1980s VCR.
3:26 omg davros said power of the daleks
Just wait until the Twelfth incarnation knocks Davros out of his chair.
"That's cold, even by my standards!" - *Seven*
That speech is one of Davros’ finest. Molloys delivery is fantastic.
Remembrance is one of the best Doctor Who stories of all time. Better than almost anything from the 2010’s to present era.
I mean, same would therefore go for the 2005-9 era if you're doing that take, I see no reason to differentiate, the first 10 series of New Who were consistent in quality until Chibnal blundered it into oblivion. Either way I think you're exaggerating but still.
If I was covered in spiral telephone cords I’d be angry too.
love the way 7 is being sarcastic about being scared, davros (obviously) falls for it :D 7 is a great actor and a great doctor!
Don't pick a fight of ham with the Doctor. You're gonna lose hard.
Davros would be less grumpy if he ever visited a dentist. That black rot of the mouth really must be painful.
Love Sylvester McCoy doctor's , he's was badass , brilliant , heroic , charismatic , sweet, gorgeous and damn sexy ! , one the most underrated doctors of classic who .
Ladies and gentlemen, the beginning of the Time War?
Nope that was Genesis of the Daleks.
djayscratcher in which the Timelords sent the Doctor to stop their creation.
Thus by chronological order, the Timewar started there but from the doctors view was it when he visited Skaro with susan.
no, the time war started with genesis of the daleks, its in the chronology.
It was supposed to be a joke!!
Mind. Blown. :D
I will always love the 7th doctor era of the show, and this dalek story is a great reason why.
2:40 For your rice pudding pleasure...
2:35 - Pretty much every Zoom meeting Ive attended
Thank u sylestor mccoy and Terry Molly and Sophie Alfred , u did a wonderful performance.
Unlimited rice pudding. Hahahahahahahahahaha! Ridicules.
The part that you and I were looking for was at 2:42
I love this story but if there's one element of it I don't think gets brought up enough it's the fact that the first doctor STOLE the Hand of Omega from the timelords along with his TARDIS and was never tried for it. THAT is why he is so paranoid in an unearthly child.
the start of the last great time war
Technically that was "Genesis of the Daleks."
It really feels like we are missing a piece in the puzzle when it comes to what happend to the daleks after this episode but before the time war. I don't know if it was said in one of the new who episodes but we never really got to find out who won the dalek civil war and why the daleks after the time war seemed to be working together it is implied that the renegade faction won after davros was apparantly killed in the time war and when he was saved by dalek Caan he was taken prisoner immediately and treated like there pet but in the first series 9 two parter he seems to be reinstated as the leader with even the supreme dalek the leader of the renegade faction being obedient to him.
Both sets of Daleks were wiped out in Remembrance by The Doctor and themselves. Davros survives Remembrance by means of an escape pod. Thus, he can start from scratch, avoiding the issue altogether.
Fairly sure here's what happened:
The Dalek Civil War ended here with the destruction of Skaro's sun. The Doctor tells the Renegade Supreme Dalek that he is useless, and the Dalek self destructs, being the last of the Renegade Daleks present on Earth.
From there, while the timeline is confusing, it is clear. We know that the Renegade Daleks are superior to the Inferior ones (the Battle at Foreman's Yard, where they won despite being outnumbered prior to the advent of the Special Weapons Dalek) and we know that the Imperial Daleks occupied Skaro, having taken it earlier.
At this time, the Renegade Faction, which earlier could be said to be winning the Dalek Civil War, are losing. They don't own Skaro and their numbers are fewer, but they still presumably control most of the remaining Dalek worlds.
Then, in the events of Remembrance, the Daleks have a battle on Earth, with Davros investing all his resources into the matter - the entire force of Imperial Daleks, save those occupying Skaro. The Renegade Daleks, while they commit much, don't commit all their forces. Then Davros destroys Skaro (which is later... uh... reconstructed... or something... or apparently... it wasn't Skaro at all... and that was... a lie... I don't know...) and in the end, Davros is presumed dead by the Daleks, and while the Dalek Supreme on Earth was destroyed, the Dalek Prime - the true leader of the Renegades - survives.
Here it gets wonky.
The Imperial faction, without Davros, is defeated. They are subsequently dubbed the 'renegades' by the former Renegades - now the new Imperial Faction - who are victorious. The remnants of the old Imperial Daleks are rounded up and destroyed or reintegrated while the remaining Daleks consolidate, the Dalek Prime (who was actually one of the original Daleks who 'killed' Davros in Genesis, according to material) would be transformed into the Dalek Emperor and begin the reconstruction of the Dalek Empire. While the Daleks were damaged by the loss of Skaro, they had other worlds made for Dalek creation, research, and manufacture, so they would not be lost.
During this reconstruction, the Daleks discovered Davros, who sued for peace and surrendered. The re-integrated Imperial Daleks who served Davros presumably vouched for him, saying that his brain was essential for the Daleks, and Davros, while he did not command the Daleks, was very important. The Dalek Emperor would watch him, however, and it may well have been under his order that Davros's ship flew into the jaws of the Nightmare Child.
It was most likely Davros's ambitions for the successful victory of his species that lead them to begin the Time War. While they would later say that the events of Genesis were the beginning, the true beginning of the Time War is a little foggy (for a war fought all across time), and it can be instead said that Genesis was more like the Versailles of the Daleks - they were initially weakened, but they later came back for revenge.
Thus connects the history between the Dalek Civil War and the Time War.
He mostly pays the price for this in the story 'Terror Firma.'
Just realized they were basically having a Zoom call.
UNLIMITED RICE PUDDING!
Has the Doctor ever completed his offer of unlimited rice pudding?
How can ya haff any pudding if ya don' eatchya meat?
^^^WIN!
I'm guessing that it was something that happened during the Time War that caused Davris to revert from this back to his original appearance for The Stolen Earth/Journeys End.
Jeez, Davros. CLEAN YOUR MOUTH!!
Lol. It looks like he has some sort of slime in his mouth!
MrBlocky
Its the remains of the limited rice pudding, and he's mad because he has run out!
That dalek suit/shell is so cool
SUPREME POWER FOR ALL DALEKS! UNLIMITED RICE PUDDING! ETC ETC ETC!
Davros looks like he's wearing a headset.
Two gamers yelling vitriol at each other. As it should be.
Davros looks like the electrician you hope you never have come to rewire your house.
1:06: "Ducktor!" XD
"Activate the Omega device" carries the same energy as "detonate the reality bomb"
When Davros returned in Series 4, I was disappointed that Terry Molloy didn't reprise the role. I hoped he would because he played the role more times than the other three actors did.
He'll be returning in Series 8 and it'll definitely be Julian Bleach reprising the role a second time.
No, he didn't return.
Maybe they were trying to pull the wool over our eyes,but nah. Davros died on board the Crucible, right in front of the Doctor.
TheBobBrom Well, South Park is a comedy cartoon, they dont need logic. Comics have so many continuities, they really don't always end up consistent. Tennant would probably have tried to save Davros, but you hear am explosion and hear him scream, as a slightly shaken Tennant looks on.
I still cannot believe you compared Doctor Who to South Park.
Try doing SOME research Matt
Scott Gerrard ...OK.
Care to elaborate? Please?
Davros has 'died' several times before
One problem. HIOW WOULD A DALEK EAT RICE PUDDING.??
Uh It's called a manipulator arm 'pushes up glasses then snorts'.
Sean Brown-Webber LOUD. LY.
I think the casing opens up then the mutant crudely shovels the pudding in its umm "mouth"...sorry quick question does it actually have a mouth?
The Goombrat More importantly...does it have an anus? Because knowing the answer to that is to know the answer to the former.
CybermanGT They wouldnt, keeping it all locked away for themselves would be the greatest torture for the universe. ;)
I can't decide whether Molloy, Michael Wisher or Julian Bleach is the best Davros.
Michael Wisher defined the part and set the standard for those who followed. Terry Molloy was good but chewed the scenery rather more, especially in this scene actually.
When I first saw Julian Bleach I backed across the couch... just like all those kids must have done in 1964 the first time they saw a Dalek. Terrifyingly good tribute to the late Mr. Wisher.
Don't forget David Gooderson did the best he could in Michael Wisher's mask (literally!).
Matt Maloney Oh I don't know! I quite liked the way he delivered the lines "I think I am quite capable of handling the tek-nolo-jehhh" and the way he breathlessly says "aaaaand … with that power at my disposal". He then, deliberately but for good reason, falls into an Adolf Hitler canter. I think that's good.
And of course there's "NOW YOU BEGIN TO FEARRRRR" :-)
whophd It's called "camping it up". But then he is playing against Sylvester McCoy, who is often regarded as the most camp and least popular Doctor ever, so perhaps we shouldn't blame Molloy when camp had become the order of the day.
McCoy was campy his 1st season. He became much more dangerous in seasons 2 and 3. Unfortunately for both it was a time where the BBC was basically looking to run the show off the air. Just my opinion, but I always thought Colin Baker was the least popular of the Doctors of the original series.
The Doctor should not underestimate the power of rice pudding
This is one of my favorite adventures! It honestly scared me when I was little, when the Dalek battle computer cut contact with the poor little girl. I was always glad Ace was there to comfort her after the horror she went through.
PS I always wanted to punch Mike!
something i didnt know, they actually kept davros in the shadows throughout this entire story saving him for the final act
I love how the Dr says please when trying to contact the Daleks
Ace, Dave Lister called, he wants his coat back.
I can’t find the clip from immediately after this, but it’s one of my favourite moments in the series. Like, we’ve had a whole season of this Doctor being a bumbling clown, and even here he’s hamming it up a bit, but when Davros realises he’s beaten the Doctor is suddenly ice cold, and it really hammers home what a calculating chess master this Doctor really is.
“You tricked me!”
“No Davros. You tricked yourself.”
My favorite Doctor. And certainly the most clever one, as well as the most sadistic.
Every time I hear the Doctor say "stop the Daleks once and for all" I just go "What happened LAST TIME?"
I'm always fascinated to Sylvester McCoy's accent, it's rich and wonderful.
I love Davros' laugh.
AHAHAHAHAHEE!
The little 'hee' at the end always makes me giggle.