KING-SONG S22 HIGH TECH EUC - IN DEPTH REVIEW
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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EKOLA's quality patrol video on the S22 was facinating and honestly makes it sound like the S22 is the only big suspension wheel that is actually made and designed properly.
My heart's twlling me Hero, my head's telling me S22, my wallet's telling me to walk
get an a s22 I am 6'4 265 lbs and the s22 is great --the best I have ever used for trails and fun and hills etc... it has more torque than this guy claims but it is sneaky as you dont feel it like you do in a high torque wheel. I climb up hills better and steeper ones too with the s22. Honestly I feel wrongway has a bias against KS when I hear the things he says sometimes
Can’t wait especially with the improvements they took to heart
I applaud king song for being vocal and actually working on the things we called out on the wheel
Few weeks baby!! Let’s go shipping freights!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙏🙏😂🙏😎💥😎🥰😵💫🦅
Where do you order yours on?
@@Unboxfulty Rev rides, but things have been pretty delayed my wheel just made it to the US so If you order I’d ask em what batch your wheel will come in, maybe they will still have some left over in the first order that just made it.. I’m pretty stoked on this wheel though all in all it looks like they made a solid one if there aren’t any bugs which we will find out very soon when we all get these wheels
@@thefoss721 hey was wondering have you got your s22 yet
@@eucridez2062 hey I just got my wheel yesterday, have a slight issue charging the wheel but so far so good!
@@thefoss721 what sort of issue
I feel like the tire thing is 100% preference. A lot of people hate the tire you put on the S22 and absolutely love the stock tire.
The stock tire is greaT ... again it is total preference and if you listen blindly to wrongway you will be making a hguge mistake if u ride off road alot. I LOVE the tire and feel it is the best stock tire I rode from any of the 12 or so eucs I have played on.
This thing eats stairs going down. Impressive. Indepth review is right lol. Good stuff
The sliders should defiantly be re designed. Maybe a linear ball bearing system or something similar.
Its been done..... But not by bloody kingsong
Making the euc community better woth every video, I thoroughly enjoy ur informative videos. Keep up the good work.
Interesting that despite so many issues you love the wheel anyway. That really shows great potential of the prototype. I hope kingsong won't rush to the market with minor fixes but take their time to deliver experience that corresponds to initial hype.
Indeed 🔥
Well worth the wait! Fantastic review. Great editing, tons of information, and you didn't gloss over the negatives. Thanks for this!
The slider things should be made out of teflon. More expensive but would perform better.
Autocorrect is annoying.
There is no sealing, so likely it won't fix the issue globally
@@derstruct Yes. It would still probably require regular cleaning of the channels. But with regular cleaning Teflon sliders would be a good option. We use Teflon on industrial projects all the time it’s pretty durable and very slick.
I wonder if anyone will sell aftermarket Teflon sliders
@@souperdooperman Great idea! Hope someone sees this comment and acts on it.
No need to reinvent a bike. You can see how forks works on good emtb. It works in another dimension of quality. But good one costs as half of s22. And after 25 moto hours you need to do maintenance, or this mega coating will die in pain. And maintenance of e-bike in case of fork, much easier, since it's exposed. So, kingsong approach kind of similar to mtb gear shifting mechanism - yes it's fully open to dust and dirt, but it's easy to clean and maintain overall, and yes you need to regularly change a chain after some distance. The question is how hard it will be to clean up on kingsong, and how fast your will need new spares for sliders.
I feel, personally, like this video is a huge turning point in your channel. Very useful information here AND great visuals, both technical stuff and good riding vids. Consider me impressed! Subscribing in hopes to see more super in-depth content in the future.
Great job Adam, best s22 review on YT
评测得真好，多多给金丛提下意见，我可不想收到货了还有设计上的缺陷，比如开放式的滑槽，等等，不到完美状态就别急着出量产版
5:00 Imagine those fuses blowing up and you lose power suddenly when riding (specially while braking). I would keep them high amperage and add cell-level fuses.
5:25 that is super cool! To have real information on possible problems
Thanks for the great review. I was hoping to hear more about the impact of the latest firmware update on performance?
I know they're massive, but I love how the S22, Master, and EX20s look like mini motorbikes, no one's going to think they're little chinese toys ey
Not perfect but good.
KS as far as I know are trying to make safe wheel, so melt your face off speed and torque does not fit their mantra.
You should classify these wheels by categories at the beginning of the video. I am sure you have done this before and I think it helps with our expectations.
May help with mellowing the hype.
Great review.
Especially when there is a video of their product on fire. That probably freaked them out and they overcompensated.
Liked as soon as the video started. Already new it was gonna be a banger.
Great review as alwayss🤙
I think these sliders with PTFE dry lube will still outperform the suspension system on the Master due travel length and how the links are designed, also separating the rubber stops so they don't move around will help a lot, wouldn't be surprised if KS did some updated design to the slider pucks.
It will perform in big drops but it's never going to be super smooth on little bumps
@@YourAubsome i think it will be just fine on small bumps
@@RonnieRides I agree, but not as good as the V11, master, S18, and hero. I'm buying an S22 mainly for off road and having fun on stairs 😁
What happened to Kuji Rolls?
Thank you, so many real informations in this little video. It's a really great job !
Thee Old KS-20 Firebird 🤣😂🤣
I'm going with the Master.
I've never had or riden a KS Wheel, but my Gotway / Begode Wheels have been Solid.
Thank you for your Review.
You are Still The Man
Poop dog FTW
God bless you and your team i have a whole new vigor, XOXO
I feel like the production version of this will start going out in at least August. That battery seal issue is just gonna set it back again.
You are doing well. ^^
i cant wait till these things are finished developing and legal in the EU.
Yes you can swap out those TIR optics with different angle lenses. They are very inexpensive to buy several of them, I swap them out in my flashlights. depending on the size you could even potentially find reflectors. They used to have optics marked as "WIDE" and they would shape the beam to the side so it didn't aim as high for use on bike paths or roads.
Kiitos!
Gracias! 🙏🏻
Solid review man. Thanks. I think I'm leaning away from getting one of these now though...maybe a Sherman or Abraham instead.
Lots of love to you and team. M Stacy,
Soo bouncy. 🤙
Do you think you will be able to get V12 high torque? I been waiting to see if it fixes all the v12 issues (cut-outs, dented rims, ETC)
It’s on the way already
@@mr_wrongway can't wait, it's the wheel i've been waiting for all my life xD
@@mr_wrongway V12 HT vs s22 video would be dope. Similar speeds, but one with suspension. Big conflict rn between suspension and no
@@mr_wrongway can't wait. I'm wheeless right now (broke v8f) v12 is logical simply because price to performance ratio with water resistance
I've already been wanting one of these for like 2 years. I am 16 now but the cost and my mom's opinion comes in the way 😓
I Love My Z10. I Wish Ninebot Continued EUC's. & Yes Correct It Does Have A IP54 Water Resistant Rating.
Too bad about the unresponsive suspension. It would be hard to go back to something like that after getting used to a V11.
A very good wheel that's requires some further attention I think, great review.
Look into forever chemicals, ptfe and Teflon, and the marginal increased performance from their use over safer lubricants.
Did they fix the water proof ip rating problem yet ? 🤔
That's leg day going home
First! :D Of course thank you for the review! :)
Whoop whoop! Thanks for watching 😁
Forza kingsong Alè alè!
duck tape on stock headlamp might help.
I would have buyed this wheel. But I'm over 100 kg. Hearing "problems with torque" on many youtube channel is a bit frightening.
So I took a risk and ordered a Master.
question about your pad choice. in your video about power pads the torque pads where your overall favourite, in some clips you have posted about the s22 you where using them but now in your reviews you like the lai pads better for this wheel I was wondering why what make them a better fit? thanks
Salut
Merci pour ton avis poussé.
J’aime tes explications .
En attente de ma commande
En juillet………………………….
It would be nice a review about the master in same depth level ;)
Is there any way you can simplify your comparison? Like maybe just give each review area (like safety, performance etc) a score out of ten? Would be useful for picking my next EUC!
Awesome 😎 thanks brother 🙏
How about suspension linkage downside or upside which one for heavy riders
This was hyped up as a barebones high performance wheel. Disappointing that performance seems lackluster. Needs tons of aftermarket modification to make it a comfortable ride at a $3200 price point. After waiting for 9 months, now I’m disappointed that I didn’t just get a Sherman max. More than twice the range, higher speed, better trolly, larger pad space, better screen etc. The only thing I would miss out on is a suspension design with poor quality sliders that might break anyways. Idk, I’m so torn.
be a 3rd batch person. That way you always know what you are getting 😅
@@Kay0Bot haha by then I’ll be 10 models behind! Not good if you wanna make EUC content.
Sliders don't seem to be poor quality or in any danger of breaking. I expect that's among the last thing that breaks on this wheel.
I'm in exacly the same boat as you. Totally agree with everything you said my friend!
The other thing was hyped by who? From what I can find, this wheel, with the exception of range (which you must apply a fudge factor to every single wheel so it's not like this is a surprise) meets all claimed specs from KS. So who exactly was hyping the wheel? People not involved in its design? You, imagining what the wheel could be?
This seems like a case where the community set itself up for disappointment.
I hope your Master Review comimg soon :-)
Ride video soon first :)
Please tell me what kind of wheel should I buy to be safe and reliable?
So - apart from the mediocre torque, positioning of and gripping quality of the pedals, sharp edges on some surfaces and parts, poor bumper, poor stock tyre and ‘ease’ of replacement, intrinsic balance, bulk, fragility of bumper and stand, relatively cumbersome and poorly executed suspension, on road carving performance, conservative performance in terms of speed, poor back light, front light fragility and poor on-road suitability, screen positioning and information offered from it, lift switch handle ergonomics and convenience, sub-par screw material and the pad ergonomics and seat fixing, it’s got a fair bit going for it, providing you’re happy to observe or overlook these constraints and be willing to make the suggested modifications, then it’s a great to mid-range performer for the somewhat moderate range it is capable of, right? 🤔
You forgot one thing, it's a prototype so a large portion of what you mentioned will have already been corrected in the production model. But if you don't like it, you can go with another wheel, simple as that. KS won't have trouble selling the S22, just look at how much the EeeVee's guys like it, especially with the latest firmware
@@TechMan042 lLet's hope so. Ordered mine last November!
@@TechMan042 Prototype? How is a wheel that's been on sale for many many many months and in development for more than that a prototype?
@@Rasputin.Bogard yep its a prototype
its sad that this amount of problems actually isnt bad compared to others
Ww: these sliders are a design flaw.
Ks: did you try using an actual oil or WD-40 and running maintenance on your wheel regularly?
Ww: Maintenance?!?!? So like I said a design flaw.
how hot do you think batteries actually get?
Don’t charger every day maybe in the morning before noon
Donde se pueden conseguir esos pad?
Re: "IP" rating (or any other rating or certification). Any kind of rating is expensive to get. Are you willing to add 20% (or more) to the price for ratings and certifications? I already find the cost of these devices quite high when I start looking at the (retail) cost of the included parts. The motors and rims come as a unit and are obviously not made for EUC manufacture but made for scooters, etc. I think the only parts aside from case that are specific to the EUC is the controller board, which takes a well known motor controller and adds motion sensors and overall control cpu to that (a DIY solutions has three boards). I have included the suspension as part of the case but even there the actual shock is a standard part. All of these things put limits on what performance can be achieved by the wheel. Still, I think it is the right way to go. the EUC market is not big enough to warrant making specific parts yet.
All that said, thank you for your review and even mentioning things that would cost a lot to fix. It certainly helps one know about things to look for in an EUC.
Does anyone know are battery have any watterprove in production version?
bro you guys are just flying on that s22 like crazy, is this a suspension or a pogo stick?
I don't think you know what an "active balancer" actually is. BMS is always doing it's job whether in use or charging.
Is this officially released?
In your opinion what wheel would you recommend between the V13 or the Kingsong S22?
Great review. Please can I ask what the power pads are called and where I can purchase a set as I have the S22 on order and I’d like to start off with the pads you suggest 👍🏻
strongly a comparison with the begode Master ;)
I shell do it!
It’s looks like the suspension would get damaged in a tumble?
Really curious why you chose “Hard Mode” on the KS22. Don’t really kno too much bout what each mode does on this specific wheel.
Why wish for a HT version? Just make it already a version with speed and torque. Sherman max is a bad example since it's a remaster of the Sherman but it only shows it's doable.
nice review !
Thanks for the video. Really good reviews!
Your thoughts. V12 vs (or) S22?
What would you recommend?
I ordered V12HT, it is upgraded V12 with better parts and more power. S22 is more offroad wheel. Depends what do you want. V12 is much more compact everyday wheel. S22 is offroad beast eating big bumps for breakfast. V12 can be my only one wheel, S22 definatelly not.
Seems to be room for a mod industry
Which version of the CST C186 did you fit? I found a 300x23, 300x17, 300x19, 300x21… and some say 3.00xXX but guess that’s the same. Is the last number the tyre size in inches?
What is name of your using back light? It is so bright I love it
ShredLights SL-FX
@@mr_wrongway Thanx!
Witch one ? The inmotion V12 or KS s22 ???
Any hacks to move the screen forward???
The US is pushing for UL rating on ebikes & euc...
The slides simply SUCKS outside of jumping off ramps, it can't save a jarred neck from a pothole!!! If I had the same opportunity to test ride like wrong way I would have never bought this wheel!!!
pls stay on one wheel and do not flash yellow blue , you know nothing about it
PROTOTYPE REVIEW!!
Do you selling online unicycle
qual seu peso?
So the s22 and S20 are different wheels?
Great review! Would you choose this over the Inmotion V12?
Tough choice, really depends on the needs. I think the S20 is superior in the tech department though so I might be going with it
Zippy?
Why you continue calling it S22? The demo unit you are testing is the S20 prototype!
Are the sensors app connected?
Yes sir
#eucisnicrime okay my test will come
where can you order it with 40t cells?
EWheels in the US has 40T
@@TechMan042 I don’t see the drop down for it. The master has it though
Thank you for a Ukrainian flag and stickers. I'm appreciate it very much.
Woooo damn this shouldn't be called eagle🦅 s20, I think dragon 🔥s20 would be better 😀🤣 I sold my inmotion v11 to buy this wheel, but i think i am going to cancel my order 😞😞
SOLID STATE BATTERIES, PLEASE???
Is climbing ability better then v12 hs at least?
Yes
When do you think the final production of the wheel will be done?
EWheels is saying July for US customers
@@TechMan042 damn I hope so, I’d choose the final production over this preproduction wheel any day.
@@rapozo107 I would choose batch 3 and above.. in about a year from now, i hope most issues would be fixed.
@@v4v777 I can’t wait that long. I wanna buy a wheel to use for that year, but I get what you mean
Hey Wrong Way! Can you review and test the performance and range on Apollo scooters like the Phantom or Ghost!?
Back your vids up on odysee!
Regarding the fire on the S20, it is great that King-song is responding to the issue...
But really.
Safety Standards exist for a reason, maybe King-song could produce a product that meets minimum safety standards?
This is not 'unknown' territory just meet safety STD, just like just meet water ingress standards (IP....).
Stop being so F*ng cheap?
Thx.
A.
This is not S22, this is S20 :). 28:56 S22 should be the final wheel, why everyone is calling the same wheel with different number now. Also believing that FW update solved all the HW Issues with the fire, do you really believe that?
I believe it. The question is, do you have professional experience that causes you not to believe it or is this just some gut feeling?
In the early 2000s, AMD had a series of cpus that would immolate themselves if run hard and someone removed the heatsink. Intel would just throttle the cpu down to try to keep heat within operating range. Much less damage that way. It's not like the AMD processors didn't have supervisors or the ability to monitor temperature sensors, they just were missing firmware that would respond to runaway heat conditions. Sometimes, fixing an embarrassing thermal problem is as easy as writing some code. And as someone who has had to write code to fix a problem, when you've just released a product, often, it's easy to identify where in the code a problem resides from a description and post mortem, despite the numerous weeks of testing and review you did beforehand that led you to sign off on it as having no known issues and passing all tests.
looks like he waited a week to take it apart after submerging it
Get some wd40 to avoid Rough
Suspension EUCs will come and go. Just my guess.
Cześć Adam, jesteś zainteresowany wymianą sliderow na łożyskowane? Jeśli tak, daj znać - Wydrukuję Ci set, łożyska kupisz wszędzie. Chociaż tak mogę Cię wesprzec. Mam nadzieję ze jak przetestujesz bedziesz mógł coś jeszcze nakręcić z S22
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the music on your recent videos is WAY TOO LOUD