BRUTALLY HONEST King-Song S22 PRO Review - After 3200 km
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Not making waterproof wheels is simply not acceptable anymore. It's so easy, and cheap to do, and so many riders will ride in the rain. I refuse to buy any wheel that doesn't have waterproofing. This review made me think of the quote from the movie Apollo 13. "What do we have on the spacecraft that is good?"
I’m new to EUC, and I’ve had an S 22 as my first wheel for about a year now. New Jersey United States. About 1500 miles, no breakdowns, just Clark pad, bio pads. Biggest issue I have is the range anxiety I get. About 30 miles of a quick ride, and I’m scared. Other than that , I’m very happy.
Nice. I’m in DE. Ride safe!
Exact same story here. It was also my first wheel. I didn't think I would need more battery at the time. Now I'm thinking of an upgrade.
Worth mentioning to any owners. The actual water ingress point you should worry about, is where the LED wires go into the frame just under the front of the motherboard area. Silicone these holes after you take the wheel apart. Get one tube of silicone and it will last you ages and you need some anyway for the motor phase cables.
Thanks for the additional info!
Thank you! Which silicon should I buy, is there a specific brand? I am not sure which one to buy and where to put it, completely new to this
@@CycleCritic I use clear set silicone and you can get it from Amy hardware store.
If you look at the front of the wheel. On either side of the inner area there are wires on either side that go into the battery boxes on the side.
Where they go in there is a weak rubber seal that doesn't really do it's job. Whilst the wheel is dry and clean in those areas just paste some silicone over the hole and smush it in, then put some extra over and let it set.
When you take the wheel apart you will need to reapply it.
@@InsanitiesBrother That's awesome tip thank you, what about the motherboard itself, is that area waterproof enough?
Amazing effort to review the wheels man. Big thumbs up :). I know a guy with good old S22 and he has 9000km with no issues. He just bought new sliders with rollers. He is like 70 years and rides appropriately :).
Re batteries, they have good rubber seals, water don't get in there, water resistance around charge ports and button is super easy to fix, it's my winter and rain wheel of choice, great water resistance.
Also you dont need new controller if you want the pro motor, just swapping motor is enough.
I think your bolts broke because you are riding it pretty extremely with those high jumps to be fair.
Words of wisdom.. You silicone charge ports and start button?
Love the opening hop up onto the manhole cover! That's what got me watching this video even though all the technical jargon sounds like blah blah and sends my mind into a tangle - yet your unique perspectives and detailed explanations -and video brake downs showing us inside the wheel & continuously demanding higher quality wheels from the manufacturers help keep all of us riders even chill riders like me Safer- Thank You! Ride On!
Its not as simple as just using a higher voltage MOSFET, it might work but it is questionable. One way to protect MOSFETs is by inserting an ESD protection diode between the gate and source terminals generally.
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Yup, totally agree with all of that stuff. I have my love-hate relationship with that wheel. (as you saw during Halloween meet ;) )
Though, i am continuously abusing it, so probably im not the best measure for reviewing. Nevertheless , i love how this wheel sends. 😁
Fun fact that i have also S18 for much longer and i had zero problems with that wheel so far. 🤪
I abuse my patton, skateparks, dirt jumps, etc. So far only problem was a pinched tube in a rock garden
Thanks for the review , I have the same experiences, bearings loose, bolts loose and broken, but jumps like a breeze. I also experienced peddle dip when speeding and hard lean from 50 tot 70, its dangerous. But for grass racing its perfect ( max 50).
Great video! Straight to the point. Very comprehensive. And i like the fact that u point out u were hard on the rim, so u cant bash them for it. Thank you much!
Definitely agree with you. I've passed 5300km on my S22 (Not Pro) now, a lot of it off road. I'm not a BIG jumper, (just little ones for me) but the tracks are very steep an rocky :)
To extend the side pad area I used some 2mm carbon sheet. Less than half the price and stiffer.
Keep up the good work Adam 👍
I would love a thorough review like this on the Extremebull Commander Mini and when it hits, the GT Pro
Adam I've always been tempted by the S22 but I currently ride the begode ex30, love it too. I don't do jumps but love cross country riding and suspension. I have the kingsong S18 as my messing around euc. Think I'll stick as I am
Yess Adam ! ... veery true ! in all aspects ! All mentioned issues was/are on a program of the "day" ( saying "Hi!" to Ivaylo from MyEwheel... )) and my "patience" with this wheel... BUT ! downhill trails and jumps are amazing !!! I can not see comparable wheel for those right now .
Interesting review! I find it strange that only one wheel has decent lighting for road use (the V11) and instead we have to put up with lights that are simply unsafe on the road. Why haven't all wheel pedals standardised to something that's adjustable and non slip in the wet. Will you be doing a review of the S19 and S16? Personally I'd be more interested in a commuting perspective (battery safety, range, reliability, robustness, waterproofing, features etc).
Controller case lid waterproofing is certainly not a good, yes there is a seal but screws are inside of a sealed compartment. BAD thing is that the lid screw heads are in cavities without any kind of seal and screws go through the motherboard. When it is raining water will be pushed under the seat to the cavities and water might seep from there directly on the motherboard. Quick fix is to put tape on the cavities and add silicon to plug two mid screw holes on the controller lid which are holding the red plastic piece on the top.
The lid is also bit flimsy and there are too few screws for sealing, so I filled the seal groove with silicone grease. All the other holes and gaps under the controller box I siliconed and I added tape and silicone grease under the power knob. Also light wires pass through should be siliconed.
Pedals (IMO) are actually pretty good, they are lightweight and knobs/studs can be sharpened with angle grinder or dremel.
Thank you for being honest, i think you just talked me into the v14, i dont need to do shibby jumps just cool little jumps and gaps. Just wish it was not as heavy
Honestly love my s22, I’m a light rider and can get some mileage not sure when they beefed it up but mine to a decent wreck fine, minor issues of misalignment but it’s running stable, even after some snow riding :)
An impact screw driver will remove stuck bolts well. the hammer impacts forces the bit to stay inside the head and also helps to loosen the threads
Despite the use of an impact screwdriver, I cannot recommend loosening without heating to 100°C. You will destroy your head - the inner hexagon. The screws are made of mud.
If only it had a better trolley handle, a bit more range, better peddles, better siders, higher torque and a higher top speed then it would be.......... a different wheel
@13:16 my S22 has about 1,000 miles on it and I've done tons of jumps, huge drops, and stairs... but none of my bolts broke. I guess I've been lucky. However, my S22 developed a crazy annoying vibration when riding slow or stopping and I can't figure out how to fix it :(
I’m glad they didn’t! You’re a lightweight though! I would keep an eye on them as they tend to get weaker over time… the shaking is either due to rollers or loose bolts on the motherboard! There has to be something that makes it rattle and shiver! Also glad to see you in the comment section again!
Thank you WR for this great review. I'm just wondering how many points has KS managed to make better on next versions. What you think about idea of doing a list of flaw points in a description so you could eventually get back to the subject after a year or so and add comments to the flaw list. That would be awesome althought I know it's effort demanding ;) Of course unless you intend to make another review for a newer version ;)
Great video as always 👍 so happy Anthony has it fixed now 🙌
Will I need an updated control board to see improvements in torque and responsiveness, or is putting in the 4k motor I purchased going to do the trick alone?
MOSFET fault modes, over-voltage is definitely one of them, along with over heating and voltage transients (dv/dt).
Those rollers, the black ones, are for 3D printer X axis, and even in that fairly light duty use case they wear out quickly.
Oooof! Good to know :) glad they changed them out for the white ones!
Hi. If possible, can you please give me a link for pedal lights and stop light which are powerful and strong? Thank you mr wrong way..
Mine (non-pro) currently has a “working power failure” error 226, still fully rideable, just won’t charge and incessant beeping every 5 seconds. The battery packs are 0.5v different, 0.020v difference between cells. The fault actually cleared itself a couple months ago and allowed me to charge it, but it came back.
Super cool review, thank you. Can you tell me what is for you the best suspended wheel now on the market ? (in term of security and durability)
@mr_wrongway Ho yes please, I'm bored of my V10f and looking for a durable wheel too
Hi Adam, and thanks for your videos!!! I would like to know what your new helmet is, and why you chose not to wear a full-face helmet anymore?
Whats the easiest way to check if my wheel was one of the newest batches? Purchased from RevRides almost 4 months ago in Los Angeles
Hi Adam, does this all apply also to (what is now called?) S22 PRO v2?
Great review, but having a few riding scenes would surely sweeten it, ngl.
Thanks for adding the warranty aspect. 6000km is absolutely nothing if that is your daily commute.
there are a lot of concerns for PRC economy and economic failure, the PRC economy and businesses, and most importantly, the financial system is collapsing, it may negatively affect the general production quality of EICs manufactured by PRC
The S-20 was going to be my first "new" wheel. Now, I'm not even sure that I'd buy a used S22pro. V14 and CP mini look promising.
Buy v14 if u can afford it
The new leaperkim Lynx have the same weight as v14 correct? But 20" sure have advantages on the stability and speed(150v vs 134v)
Begode extreme is amazing.
My trolley handle broke. Some sort of die-cast. I fixed it with 10mm panhead self drilling Philips head screws.
I am surprised that the bolts are not good quality steel, seeing that industrial bolts are cheap.
My front bumper has taken a thrashing and will need to be replaced. It is held together with cable ties. (I learned to ride on my machine)
Did I see cruise control in the software?
I am having trouble deciphering the meaning of the numbers in the app. Perhaps I am stupid, but I think it needs more explanation.
nice honest review... looking forward for the same honest review treatment on your sherman s!
Thank you! SS review is already out on the channel ;)
can you please tell, what revision this wheel from? can you tell the exact date it was created? you can see this in the code on the box. or maybe somehow else, I don't know that
whatever this pad setup is that makes you be able to jump this high, I want it!
Wow!
Did not expect that 🎉
I’m happy to surprise you!
The info seems a bit out of date. In Russia, s22 (not PRO) is sold under brand "kugoo kirin u6". And it does have fix mechanism of the handle.
Can it do 100km on single charge ? On sherman doing 120 km trips . So on suspension will be done much more .
Thanks for the good content as always !
Please do a video review about the COMMANDER MINI, i want to buy it.
Had a friend who traded a onewheel for an s22 on marketplace. We saw it and it was working well, but it was snowing when we did the trade so there wasn't much time to see how it was. After a while it had a BMS issue that kept it tilting back everytime you would turn it on even after being on the charger, but a firmware update fixed it luckily. Sadly we just had to wait for one to be available. Although the s22 was in my friend's possession (now in mine), I rode it mostly over him while he learned to ride comfortably on my 18xl. After ~500 miles on the s22 by myself, an issue it developed is what I can describe best as motor tremors? It can begin to shake aggressively when braking, It is an issue that is showing to be pretty consistent right now. I would like to replace the motor for a pro motor, but given all the other issues it could end up having, I might just get rid of it for cheap and let someone else work on it. I don't mind maintenance, but my 18xl with 4500 miles (~7200km) doesn't give me any issues at all. I have taken it apart to check how things are, and after decent trail riding, hitting bonks daily, and overall some pretty good torment for the 18xl, the only maintenance I will need to do soon is slap a new tire on it since mine is almost bald. Would much rather have something I trust like the 18xl than something that I will fear riding.
Those motor tremors might just be your control board is not screwed down tight enough. Because if that control board can vibrate just the slightest it will cause the motor to vibrate when you're like braking. I had that problem on my 16x and my friend had the same problem with his s22 and that's how we fixed it
@@BANGbucketHEAD Thats very interesting actually. Thanks for the info I might have to take a look into this. The bolts that hold the housing for the board arent all perfectly tight right now so Ill have to swing to the hardware store so I can get some that arent just spinning freely.
The pro motor works with the s22 mainboard, but probably better to upgrade it too.
It’s a design classic - ie how NOT to build a wheel. So many built in problems, it was always a lemon, but some people obviously love lemons 🍋
Have owned s22 for one season approx 2000 km and I generally agree with this review. Spot on for the most part. However despite all the issues, I love this wheel and feel this review helps riders understand the issues and have a better experience with this wheel.
I would have been nice to see some sort of list of upgrades this wheels has got during it's history.
I might add that in future reviews then!
In this case:
- New Bolts
- New Coil
- New Rollers
- Firings
- Pads
- Footplates
Need clarification, why does mb needs an upgrade? Is it only if i have 125v mosfets?
Because under certain circumstances you can over charge the board. The board has insufficient overhead
Is there a wheel on the market that has both, a water ingress protection rating, and a battery cell balancing controller? Frankly, i am not willing to buy an EUC for commuting without both 9f these features, its a dealbraker for me.
I think you over-rating the waterproof capability of shrink wrap on cells.
Glad this one never interested me. Those rollers would be dead quickly where I ride - much dry dust and grit. Did the rim also bend? It looked dented in the video.
I used to off road mine, that's what I got the POS for. I ride in the mountains and I needed to do full maintenance every 600km it was every week and a half to 2 weeks. It's such a POS. I no longer off road
I was considering going for the s16 pro but this video makes me a bit worried about Kingsong quality
Pure nightmare. S18 and s22 owner. 8k km on the s22, 5k km on the s18. Avoid kingsong
Thank you:) Another candidate off the list.
og s22 owner here. this wheel is outdated nowadays in every category besides jumping so i don’t think i would recommend it anymore unless you want at jumping wheel. the suspension is AMAZING when fully tuned and i love the general feel of this wheel but it lacks a few things that the newer wheels have for the same price however it really was a pioneer with the first 126v system WHILE having suspension AND the open design that everyone is using now as well as good stock pads. so i love it but kinda outdated
My first year, on INMOTION V12 -------- 8.500 Kilometers
Thanks
Thank you so much!
Have you seen bolt kits in Europe?
Not yet but I think some will be produced soon. Stay tuned!
You can probably make this review in one sentence:
WHEN it works, then its one of the best wheels ever, there is just this one problem: It so seldomly works?
Two sentences? ok….
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Did Begode buy Kingsong?
5:27 Rim badly bent. Can cause water ingress
What kind of front pad is that?
Top is stock NyloNove Kinetic, bottom is a custom one they made for me
Want the bottom white pad
Won’t move and can jump up
stock works well.
That RIM!!!!!
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Imagine they moved away from axle for bearings and bolts that dont move. Upgrades they say
the man said "brutally honest " ouch.... !!!! Commander Mini for the win then ....
Is this Lucas from eevee’s?
No this is Patrick
I notice the rim is dented opps
If those were to be skateboard bearings..DO NOT get bonezzzzzz. They are way.to rough...peace
Suspension trunions should always be ballraced like they are on mountain bikes. Even oil lite/sintered bronze plain bearings whilst not ideal are better than nothing. Nothing is an abomination and a design mistake. These things are treated like cheap kids bikes by some of these manufacturers.
I wish an EUC company would fly me out to China so I could give their designers some pointers.
I’d even go as far as using stainless bearings that won’t rust and then pit over time.
I know right.
Wait a long time this review and did pay off. What did we learn? Do no buy any wheel before seeing Adam's full review.
I'm just under 8k km. This is the murder of this hobbie. This wheel is enough a reason to avoid this company entirely. Non-stop problems, money sink. Non-stop repairs.
I'm all for innovation, and companies trying new things, I mean kingsong did bring us all suspension to EUCs and was much needed. Sure everyone been trying different methods to find the best one.... but to continue this failed rail trash design on further models should tell users all they need to know.
The are currently on their 3rd motor manufacturer. I am 3 motors in and willing to bet the bearing are probably still 1500km max range. Do not ride in rain, I did once very light rain for only 5 minutes and the bearings ceased that night.
The board I always scared was going to blow on me as it did on many others, somehow mine has survived.
The materials they use is inexcusable at the price point. Those plastic dipped chrome plated ikea quality fixtures on the suspension is a joke.
You must spend money on farings, pads, cnc rollers, extra 420 wheels for replacements every 600km.
This is such a POS I could go on but it's to infuriating. Absolutely trash!
Those look like skateboard bearings..
After reading comments, the amount of money you pay to buy
These wheels, 6hose probs should
Not exist. It's just shoddy workmanship. Car or bike
Manufacturers who don't pay attention to detail will soon be out of business. So to euc companies.
Their is always going to be maintainance but no waterproofing,
Cheep bolts and screws, questionable electronics.
Come on kingsong, you have a loyal
Customer base don't ruin it
With that kind of workmanship.
Having a rant here and I'm not
Even a rider.😆😎
absolutely ridiculous not to even attempt waterproofing in something so expensive
I agree, the s22 was very disappointing hot trash... I have a few friends with them and I ride with them on my sherm S. 3 break downs for them, 2 required and Uber home. 3.5k on my sherm S... couldn't be happier. Very very glad n I didn't swallow then kingsong "Pheonix" hype that I originally wanted. RIP kinsong. Even after you spend a few 100 upgrading , you still are stuck with a piece of SHYT...
Are you talking about the s20 or s22 or s22 pro? Lol 😆
You're comparing it with the most expensive premium EUC in the world. Of course the Sherman S is better, but we can't all afford one.
S22 with upgraded batteries. Right? So it’s basically putting lipstick on a pig. Pass.
We should all protest and refuse to buy off these companies until they sort this out .they are getting away with criminal pertentionaly cheating us the buyer .
Stop watching the videos too then
I will never buy from them. Horrible R and D and they don’t care if you as a buyer have to pay for their negligence. Either with your wallet or your body during a failure.
custommer beta tests hire we go again
Sold, on not buying this one.... i know ill get caught in the rain from time to time.....Hard PASS...
KS18XL, KS16X was the last good wheels from Kingsong, all after piece of sh1t
Love and hate the wheel just from thinking of the problems it might have. This video just remembered me of the ptsd tho. Also jump to flat and breaking bolts isn't really a complaint, off road vehicles also break bolts if they land flat
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Brawo! :)
Great info, but needed a camel toe
first 😎
S22 Pro Revision 2 would be nice wheel if the manufactured fixed alot of the fixable issues.
Sure is a project wheel and does require alot of after sales work to make it better to what it should have been from the factory.
I liked wrong way better when he dressed up in womans leggings and put on womans makeup for his videos...
He's known as the "freak" of euc UA-camrs
Don’t worry I’ll paint my fingernails again
why would shibby_time not get aftermarket things? if there was ever a guy to justify the purchases he was it