The HORRIFIC Purpose Of The Sheikah Stones (Zelda Theory)
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- While playing through The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, did you ever wonder why the Sheikah created the Gossip Stones and for what purpose? Well in celebration of Halloween, we will come up with 2 possible theories to explain Hyrule’s dark history through the Shadow Temple.
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0:00 Intro to Gossip Stones
0:36 Brief History of the Sheikah
1:07 The Era of "Prosperity" & The Shadow Temple
3:39 Theory 1
6:19 Theory 2
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Note: I do sometimes show footage of the Bottom of the Well while referring to the Shadow Temple. This is just for the sake of aesthetics in the video. Also the Dark Horse books claim that the Shadow Temple, Royal Family's Tomb, and Bottom of the Well are all connected underground. We just don't see their connection in-game. Just wanted to clarify that. I swear Ik the difference between the two places 😂
Actually, in the original OoT, if you get the map for the Bottom of the Well and then go and get the map for the Shadow Temple, you can see a little bit of the well map as a part of one of the floors of the temple. Just some remnant evidence of the connection.
Shiek also says in game that Shadow Temple and bottom of the well were connected. and I would also assume that the whole graveyard is connected to that as well, because that would only make sense.
Oh brother , no need to explain that man you know what you're talking about I can tell . though I have my disagreements, personally believing the soon to be Sheikah defectors/future dark interlopers were involved in to much torture and capture of civilians.
And, of course, the Pirate's Charm is an enhanced version of the Gossip Stones. It allowed both Tetra and King Daphnes to see what Link was doing and communicate with him from afar.
Yes, that is very interesting and noteworthy. Did they ever say what the Pirates charm is made from?
Really went the full nine yards in making the creepy, unsettling vibes here. Unlike the botw version of the sheikah, OOT 's version has always had an undercurrent of darkness and a hell of a lot of skeletons in its closet. I had always thought there was something off about the stones and their purpose, but you went so much grimmer with that idea lol
I like elements of both theories. There is also the theory that the temple was designed for training, rather than containment. I can honestly see all three. The Sheikah were likely spying with the stones, and had gathered elements of evil into the temple, then why not use evil to train against evil.
Hmm that's an interesting one too. Makes the Sheikah look a lot less bad that way 😅
One thing's certain they definitely had defectors within the tribe at some point. How else would ganondorf learn about the location of the triforce and the sacred realm ? How would he had known about the three spiritual Stones
@@SurprisedFireflies-ik4kt I've even theorized that the Happy Mask Salesman is one of the defectors. He has much of the color scheme and similar abilities as Impa (OoT), to start. It's been a while since I thought about that theory, though.
@@SurprisedFireflies-ik4kt because he's the king of the gerudo the gerudo were one of the tribes that aided in defending the triforce so of course ganon would know about the defenses and how to bypass them
This makes me think about the Man Who Could See the Truth in Kakariko. Perhaps he saw the truth of the kingdom and was punished as an example.
That guy is often theorized to be Bongo Bongo. The very house of the "Man Who Could See the Truth" used to be where the Well currently is (in OoT).
I wonder if the temple itself was less an active site and more a kind of "celebration" or memory of the terrible acts done in a previous age. After all, it still acts as the place that the Sage of Shadow channels their power through, so it needs to match the element of Shadow.
Yesss!! Zelda theories are the reason why I subbed to your channel. Thanks for making them. They’re always fun to watch and think about. Even if they’re not true in the end. Besides, everyone can decide for themselves whether a theory is credible or not.
I've missed making them. At this point it's just so hard to come up with original theories nowadays. They also take a lot more time to make due to the research involved and I'm pretty busy working on my engineering capstone project amd trying to graduate college. Definitely have plans for a few more than I'll try to make over the next few months. I'll have some of the newer short-form content posted between theories to help keep the channel going while Im busy :)
When I first entered the shadow temple I had gotten many nightmares
I definitely wasn't expecting that my first time playing.
With the way impa acts I don't agree that the Sheikah were evil, they did keep an eye on people but they wouldn't kill unless the Royal family intended it or impa. I think the dark interlopers played a role in this , they were the ones that took no chances but when the Royal family discovered what the Sheikah were doing at the shadow temple they demanded to shut down the operation. Impa followed the orders like a loyal dog, which caused some Sheikah to leave the tribe. Including bongo
The Eyes of the Sheik remind me of Eye of Providence. Maybe Shadow Magic is accessed through some kind of Dark Enlightenment. The ability to see Reality's Shadow, and use it so Hyrulians can have the Light.
That's a good take on it
"The man who could see the truth"
@@hanburgundy4317 Well, the Lens of Truth is apparently found where his house used to be. It's implied that the "well" was his basement dungeons, which may have been connected through the graveyard to the Shadow Temple at one time.
Even in Majora's Mask, the Lens of Truth can only be access by traveling the unseen platforms, which leads to a floating cave. It is in the most unnatural location. In fact, the owl, who is the Sage of Light in Oot, has to lead you to it.
The Sheikah and higher magical beings can see it, you cannot without artificial assistance.
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I've actually been a proponent of this theory for years, but I think it goes back to _before_ the Sheikah were allied with the Royal Family.
I think it goes back to the Dark Interlopers, who eventually became the Twili. The Twili are odd, because they possess both Sheikah and Gerudo iconography, so it's implied they're the progeny of both races combined. This suggests that both were allied in the efforts to attain the Triforce that the Light Spirit told Link about - which would make sense, as throughout OoT, the Sheikah and the Gerudo both use similar magic, to the point that a relic of each race is needed to beat the Temple of the other.
I think both races go back before even Hyrule - that they're the descendants of the ancient citzens of Termina that built the Stone Tower: the Garo. It's a long story, but the short version is that there are numerous portals connecting Hyrule and Termina; one of which is above Stone Tower (through which you pass when the Tower is inverted to fight Twinmold) that the people went through to reach "the land of the gods": Hyrule.
Again, long story short, they separated into two races: the people of the Sun, or Gerudo, and the people of the Moon, or Sheikah. At the very least, we know that the Sheikah existed in Termina due to the Mask of Truth, Lens of Truth, and Gossip Stones throughout the land. There are many similarities between Sheikah and Garo, three of which are how they fight,btheir weaponry, and the fact they're ninjas.
I could go on and on lol But the main point, is that at some point in time the Sheikah spied on Hyrule via the Mask of Truth, Lens of Truth, and Gossip Stones, then eventually swore fealty to Hyrule like the other races: probably, like the other races, right after the Hyrulean Civil War, with the Gerudo being the last as seen in OoT. Anywho, I think some of the Sheikah were still allied with the Gerudo - namely with Ganondorf and Twinrova - and they allied to betray Hyrule right before Twilight Princess and THAT was the Interloper event.
Sheikah* not sheik
I think the Shadow Temple was used during the Interloper War mentioned in Twilight Princess, which is implied to be the same conflict as the Triforce Wars mentioned in A Link Between Worlds. Those wars were certainly fueled by greed, and involved a lot of bloodshed. So it makes sense that inside the Shadow Temple there is an inscription saying "here lies Hyrule's history of greed and bloodshed."
I think the dark interlopers once being Sheikah played a huge role in capturing, and torturing prisoners. But when the Royal family didn't like their motives those Sheikah that disagreed decided to leave the tribe. Splitting it in half
The Shadow Temple is basically hylian Guantanamo Bay
As always, incredible video!
I’ve always wondered about the gossip stones, knowing that something was up with them. I had a feeling that they were used for eavesdropping on potential traitors, but I never made the connected between the stones and the Mask of Truth, meaning that they could likely read people’s minds.
The Shadow Temple has always been unnerving to me, but now it REALLY freaks me out.
I’m so glad you made a video regarding this topic! As always, you’ve given me a lot to think about.
Have a great day, Andy!
Happy spoopy season
I heard, originally they were meant to be safe points and that's why you have one in DC and other dungeons.
You forgot about ganondorf, he was filled with greed. Yet, he managed to go through
So ancient Sheikah=Big Brother? 100% agreed!
I honestly think both theories are the truth in ocarina of time, when I played through it as a child I always felt that it was especially with how scared other races seemed to be of hylians, secluded (under surveillance), and it makes sense how the hylians won the war and not all powerful other races, hylians are just human after all. But if they used these tactics? Then it would make sense how hylians would win a very physical war for power. I don’t feel like they’re much better than Ganondorf to be honest. They were consciously made decisions by those in power, both the king and the queen and that will always be on their hands. I felt like breath of the wild was the perfect continuation of the story in ocarina of time, whilst you can hide your own wrongs, it’ll still come back to haunt you… karma so to speak, the whole castle is in ruins, and most of the hylian race was killed, but not the other races. I always felt like that wasn’t a coincidence and a very deliberate thing. But It would also make sense if Nintendo decided not to go down that route years after ocarina of time, seems like they now want to make the royal family good guys again instead of both sides being guilty of the same brutality to fit modern society and attract the mainstream audience. I also highly doubt they would want to make hylia a morally grey character after all. I also felt like proof of her actually being morally gray being how the gerudo seemed to reject her, which points to the theory of the gerudo to some extent being aware of what’s going on since they did have ties to the lens of truth, and them being pretty good at being spies themselves, and again in breath of the wild they also having ties with the yoga clan. I always felt like that’s why the gerudo really were the outcasts throughout the series, whilst other races decided to surrender completely I feel like the gerudo to some extent never have and still fought to be able to be allowed to think for themselves to some degree.
I see hylia, Zelda and the royal family more so like I see princess bubble gum, a very, morally grey character or in some cases like bubblegum you could see them as the worst villains. Just like how sealing away another being even though the intention is good, sealing someone away with the intention for eternity and being happy about it, is not something I would necessarily see as a very good deed. It’s still torture. Just like what happened to the interlopers. And the shadow temple. Even though the kingdom is supposed to be holy it’s still a kingdom and still used dirty tactics like every winning kingdom in history has. I feel like seeing the shadow temple as a training ground is very wishful thinking, although it could always be used to train and torture at the same time, there’s nowhere for the victims to escape. I always thought of the point of ocarina of time to be that there is no black and white, everyone is very morally grey, but when push comes to shove you do sometimes still have to pick a side. In the end the royal family was still better than ganondorf, but they were definitely questionable to me, which to me made the whole meeting with Zelda as an adult such a mixed bag, after I had seen the shadow temple. As prestige as the royal family tries to portray itself and heavily using zeldas beauty within that as well, that still doesn’t mean they’re necessarily people I’d wanna hang out with…. I feel like just like princess bubblegum in adventure time, even though it started out with good intentions, she still became a dictator, and till some degree I feel like the royal family has as well, But that’s just my theory.
Great video! it is also interesting to theorize about the existence of the gossip stones in Skyward Sword. Perhaps the Sheikah used them in the war against Demise to track enemy movements and activity, more in a military intelligence kind of way. They then could have been later repurposed for the uses that you suggested in the video. It is also interesting how they fly up into the sky when hit with an explosion. Perhaps this was some sort of self destruct mechanism to prevent information from falling into the wrong hands? potentially. The fact that they tell the time when hit normally could also be a front, a fake purpose, which lends further support to your theory.
I don't see much evidence for the first theory. But the second theory lines up with other evidence that the royal family has committed horrible acts across time. There's a reason the monks in botw say "a hero rises to right the wrongs of Hyrule" and not "the wrongs against Hyrule". There's no other place in the series where there are measures of good and evil that have to be balanced that I'm away of. Evil in Hyrule doesn't work like the Force in star wars
That reference to Omelas reminded me to get that novel, thanks! I love Ursula K. Le Guin.
Meh, I'm more a fan of "Yo, let's toss these war prisoners into the catacombs underneath our hidden (not)ninja village for purposes of information extraction and/or torture gauntlet in a time of war/etc.
Which war? Probably the "Unification War", but also likely any other war not (yet) chronicled between Skyward Sword & Ocarina of Time - especially from outside nations wanting the Golden MacGuffin.
I mean, we know other nations exist beyond the Kingdom of Hyrule...or at least _did_ exist...
The second theory was unnervingly plausible
I read The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas in college a few years ago, and it still haunts me to this day. Really cool to see it used in a Zelda theory video!
Also, I'd love to see a followup video exploring the Gossip Stones' appearance in Majora's Mask and Skyward Sword! (And possibly other games I'm forgetting.) Both of these theories were great, but they do raise the question of what the Stones were used for in contexts where there was no Hyrulean royal family to protect. Just an idea!
I'ma be honest, the surveillance state theory is fuckin awesome. I'm like totally convinced lol I'm planning on doing a PowerPoint about why the Hyrule Kingdom is really not that much better than Ganondorf and I will definitely be mentioning this 😂
I mean yeah in TP it was said that impa left hyrule because she had her disagreements with the Royal family , but I still think the dark interlopers or at the time Sheikah defectors played a huge role in making the Sheikah look bad . if the Sheikah were all evil then why are impa and sheik good ? Why are the gossip stones still around ? If the shadow temple was used for torture why are their certain mechanisms placed in random spots like those giant blade things ? It looked more like an obstacle course if anything or was where the Sheikah use to train, but some Sheikah went behind impas back maybe bongo and used it to torture prisoners. They were found out , bongo was executed and the defectors (maybe death sword from TP) fled becoming the dark interlopers
@@ronandread5141 when did they say impa left hyrule from a disagreement and also this sounds like your trying to say that the war with the shadow tribe happens after ocarina of time it doesn't it comes before ocarina of time
This is great. Not sure if I've stumbled upon your chan before, but it's too bad I hadn't sooner. It makes for a more intriguing theory when drawing from real life situations, & though they often do a great job, I think other theory channels focus so much on religious & cultural aspects of humanity that they miss making other correlations, like your book references. Gj.
Speaking of them, only seeing all in their facility, it might be a 3 d radius because if they could only see what's directly in front of them, then why would there be some of them underground that would be pointless so they can see in a 3 d space all around them
Yes I think they work the same way. I had A LOT more notes about all related sheikah artifacts and gossip stone quotes from other sources and games, bc explaining how the stones would've worked would've interrupted the flow of the narrative. But yes I completely agree with your logic :)
@@Zeldom there is a gossip stone in lost woods or kokiri forest don't remember which that gives information on princess zelda
Makes me think Ganon's magic must be able to block the Shekah's magic. Would also explain why they never send the Gerudo outside normally (Until BotW+)
Makes me think that maybe the person who sells link the feminine clothing in the Gerudo desert, may have been Shekah, and dyed their hair to infiltrate their town, lol
Explains the Red eyes and paled face when the wind blows their cover. Would make sense that Link recognizes them and their intentions since he knows of the Shekah. Personally it doesn't make a lot of sense why he shook his head then.
I really liked both theories but especially the second one!! Happy Halloween!! 😊
Happy Halloween! The 2nd one was also my favorite one too :)
If this was true, how did ganondorf infiltrate the castle, on his way to the castle, the stones would have picked up on him, and found out his true intentions.
Bc they weren't being used anymore in Ocarina of Time. This was sometime between Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time
It seems likely that like the way Ganondorf can block Navi's ability to gain any information about him during the final battle, Ganondorf may be able to use Demise's curse, and Twinrova's dark magic to block the sight of the Sheikah. Therefore, they won't be able to "notice" him. Only Zelda will notice because she is destined to have the Triforce of Wisdom, and therefore has dreamt about him.
That’s a really interesting thought! That would explain why only Zelda saw his true intentions.
Because ganondorf, maybe with a little help from some dark interlopers/ Sheikah defectors thought ahead and wiped the Sheikah out before ocarina of time . which is why link is the only one left that can save hyrule. Without the Sheikah hyrule is doomed
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 wouldn't matter since the stones were no longer in use by the time of OOT. But I like the idea of Zelda only being able to see ganondorf for what he truly is .
I remember having to read 1984 in high school and I remember when I finished I was legitimately furious, the life of everyone in the book is awful and they built up this relationship with the 2 main characters only for them to get screwed over in the end and for them to be miserable again like wtf. I understand it’s trying to make a point, but it still pissed me off. Seeing the connection in this video got me heated, but I really liked the first theory! Good stuff Andy!
Yeah 1984 is meant to be a warning about real life government, even in the book itself the main characters aren't even the main story. It's all about the message, and how a society like that can become possible especially with modern tech is what's scary. I wanted to tie that into a Zelda theory :)
So...I probably can make tabletop rpg (like dnd) about this part of Hyrule history...and it will be fine for lore
YES to the second theory. 👏🏻 Fits into the future of the sheikah in botw as well?
Happy Halloween Zeldom!
Happy Halloween!
That’s a good theory! I liked that
I don't see either as set in place, my view is the shika got killed off once the throne grew fear of their power... It was done by the army and the "house Sheika" who went with the program. The gossip stones are simply tombstones of the shieka. Being people of magic they truly just speak w those who can hear.
Did you and Nayru talk before making your Halloween videos? You both made the same point about Omelas applied to the shadow temple.
We didn't actually. Ig Nayru and I think alike (and use the same sources for research 😂)
I'm really stoked about this
I wonder if this is what happened to Ganondorf, him being deemed a threat at birth as a male Gerudo.
I really wish Sheikah stones would return
the gossip stones are also in skyward sword and are awaken by link playing the goddess harp implying the stones were around before the founding of hyrule.
They also have a totally different appearance. The ones in OoT could have been a reimplemented version of them. But yeah it's just a theory
Birds aren't real
I keep notice something weird on some of the games that no one covers or talking about?
like there are some kind of snake artwork on the sand goddess statue in ocarina of time and on Twilight
but !!! there is herpes that looks like two-headed snake on Minna in her princess form it's kind of weird?
Question how does the minish cap and four swords fit in games between skyward sword and ocarina of time
If the bloody past of Hyrule was one the people lived through together, it’s no wonder that Ganondorf had a following!
If this theory is correct how whold there be Gossip Stones in skyword sword on the graund?
It's a very good point. The explanation I could think of is the completely different design, so maybe the ones in OoT we're created later on for a different purpose. But Idk it's hard to explain a lot of things that existed before SS 😅
Zeldom, if you don't stop spreading Thoughtcrime, I will need to report you to the Thought Police and have you sent to the Ministry of Truth.
Big Zelda's always Watching.
Zelda's always watching... honestly I don't think I mind that 👀😂
Wow
So this whole Big Brother, 1984, theory kind of reminded me of something very disturbing. Do any of you know about China's social credit score? For those who don't it's basically China's version of mass surveillance with redlining. It's a bit inevitable with an authoritarian government, even with a period of peace and prosperity. I was then reminded of China's civil war, that's still technically going on with the situation with Taiwan, but I degrease.
Bringing this back to Zelda, there was a civil war that broke out before OoT, what triggered it? Was it the critics of the Royal Family reaching their limits with their authoritarian rule and broke off? I mean when we start the game, there are several kingdoms and civilizations that seem to operate independently from each other, hinting at a decentralized government, that may have resulted from the civil war.
Link himself grew up off of the grid, living in the wood with no real government oversite, expect the all knowing tree. So the fact that he's using relics of an overseeing government of his quest is a bit ironic.
If I recall, the Civil War mentioned in OoT was a Unification War which saw the eventual unification of all (actually most) the races within Hyrule: The Hylians, The Goron, the Zora, and even the Gerudo, excluding only the Kokiri and even the Rito (yes, they existed back then if the Manga (which predates Wind Waker) is to be believed). If Majora's Mask is to be believed (why wouldn't it?) about Stalchildren, then the Stalchildren were fallen enemy soldiers who held a grudge against Hyrule, which is why they are absent 7 years later as the Kingdom of Hyrule fell to the Gerudo.
one problem with this theory: if the gossip stones were that powerful, they would of found out about ganondorf alot sooner (there ARE gossip stones in/near gerudo valley after all, as well as the ones near the castle itself, and the ones around kokiri forest. all of which ganondorf had to pass by for both getting to the castle, and poisoning the deku tree)
Because during the hyrulean civil war the Sheikah were wiped out. Also it's been stated that the dark interlopers at some point were Sheikah defectors. They were probably the ones that told the gerudo about the gossip stones, which is what led to complete genocide. They knew the Sheikah were the top tier protectors of hyrule, killing them would put a huge dent in their military. Making it easier to take the kingdom from the inside .
@@ronandread5141 except they weren't completely wiped out, thus as long as one good sheikah was still around *coughimpacough* there would be monitoring for the stones, and also your theory disproves how powerful the stones are, cause if they were that powerful they would of caught the defectors and of been ready
@@aesuradracaheorte3585 except impa wouldn't be able to monitor everything at once. And keep Zelda safe. Also ganondorf knew about the stones as I said because of the interlopers now shut up
You clearly don't understand so don't waste my time with long texts it's obvious the interlopers played a role so knock it off with being in denial. You're contradicting
@@ronandread5141 oh i understand perfectly, especially since The Legend of Zelda: Encyclopedia book states the interlopers were *hylians* not sheikah
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