Is It POSSIBLE? Rigidity While Elevating Part Off Table
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- Rigidity is key in CNC machining. Look at how we fixtured this piece of brass to make a CNC machined snare drum for the dummer of Panic! At The Disco. On the DVF 8000 from DN Solutions and using Schunk's Vero-s module system.
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0:00 Machining Panic! At The Disco Snare Drum
0:44 Designing snare drum fixture
1:38 BOOMBASTIC!
2:22 Op 1 Snare drum fixture
3:03 Siemens Sinumerik Control Feature
5:18 Finishing Op 1
5:43 Indicating the fixture
6:24 Op 2 Snare drum fixture
8:09 Vero - S Manual Clamping System
9:21 Mounting the Fixture and Drum
10:09 Schunk Rigidity test
10:50 Finishing Snare Drum Fixture
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you can also stop the machine in the middle of a program move your axis and go back where it was in Heidenhain ... so nothing new to me, but ay glad this is not a "exlusive" feature and more controls have it
right. I know this feature is nothing new, even for Siemens. But so many people that have only ever seen a Fanuc control has no idea you can do things like this with other controls. And like you said, these controls have been able to do this for years. That's why I wanted to put it in the video. Something so simple, yet is so cool to be able to do with a control like this.
My Fanuc can also do it... I mean, my Doosan-Fanuc does, while in manual guide mode. You can even ask to resume the program from the current position or from the last saved position, depending on your preferences. And Mazatrol has been doing it for decades too
Haas also has this for many years
@@Orakwancan you explain how
@@owievisieat any moment during machining you can press the MPG button (handwheel mode). You don't need to push feedhold before. Then you do whatever you want. When you want to resume the program, one way is to go back to memory mode and press cycle start. Depending on your settings, it will either resume the current G move from where the tool currently is, or go to the last position then resume. In case you changed some modal codes such as spindle stop or changed the speed or feed variables, the program will keep them. But if you don't want to keep them and instead want to come back to the program exactly as it was, then you either put the codes in manually or you push the program restart button which will read the earlier codes in the program and use those to continue machining. There will be a blinking indicator saying you are restarting the program. You can even remove a broken tap this way, moving the Z axis while the spindle orients itself to stay in the thread. Now all those I do on the Doosan Fanuc, and I'm not sure it works on regular Fanuc with other machine brands. We have several Fanuc machines that are not doosan, and they handle it in a different way, not as efficiently, but similar.
Okuma has that feature, it's called Mid-Auto-Manual. It's the best.
I’d just like to point out Jesse, hurco came up with this interupt control first I believe, hit interupt in the middle of a program, it stops the spindle, safely moves up in Z, and then you can jog around anywhere, then hit cycle start and it will move back to where it was cutting and start cutting again, glad to see more machines having this feature.
Hurco's is the best I've seen so far, Mazak has had one for at least 25 years as well all the way back to at least the M plus control in '97. Not sure if they had it earlier, that's just the oldest I've personally seen.
HEIDENHAIN also do the same thing
Super cool Jessie and Samwise! Love the music choices and how clean everything looks. Look forward to the next video!
Nice work Jessie! That drum is in good hands, that's for sure! Can't wait to see the finished product!
Excellent video, Jessie! I appreciate the detailed explanation of your manufacturing process. I'm looking forward to seeing the final product!
You have more guts than I do as seen by your drilling into the T slots thru your mounting fixture. Ray
a little math can tell you its safe or not.
I have been following your channel and it is amazing watch all those machines and how you guys are really good at performing and programming machinery.
A hug from Cuba.
I like the okuma restart you can pick which axis moves last into position
Hurco have had an 'interrupt' button for years! Works even better than that.
Was thinking the same thing
I'm working on a Hurco since 2018 and that 'interrupt' button is worth more than all fanuc, okuma and siemens in the shop
Lots of love for the Hurco interrupt button, pure genius!
I’m on a hurco as we speak. Interrupt is a life saver
Heidenhain been having those feed hold options in program for years, but still fascinating :D
Mazatrol same
Right, and so has Siemens. That's why I wanted to mention it. Even though this has been an option for years with other controls, people with only Fanuc controls may have never seen something like this. It is a simple feature and nothing ground breaking but still very cool to me.
@@Jessie_Smith yes, worked on lathe with fanuc control and was really missing this feature. Germans know how to make them controls😅
@@Jessie_Smith you can reference program after some MDI input in Fanuc, same in HAAS(wich is Fanuc basicly) but it's not exactly the same as in the video :D it's a defacto restart of the program from a certain line, when MOCON reads all the previous data and is able to continue at that point
its even better on Heidenhain as it moves every axis alone, not all at the same time and you can choose the sequence.
Such a cool project! Great explanation, Jessie!
I would pay good money to see Jessie on the drums. It wouldn't be my money, but I would pay it!
@5:10 "This is what separates Siemens from everyone else." I guess, if you mean that other controls have better interrupt options for being able to move your tool without interrupting your program. Hurco has a decent interrupt button that allows you to continue on where you left off in your program. Mazak does as well except you can store up to 4 points to clear obstructions, so you don't have to make a single move back in all 3 directions if it will cause an issue. They've had these features for decades.
these are options on other controls and siemens has had this for years. However you do not have to hit overstore to move the machine. all you have to do is hit cycle stop move away and cycle start. it will move right where it left off with modal commands. This is a standard on the control
Jessie, very nicely done leaving us hanging for the rest of it 😝. I am actually looking forward to seeing the next op and the cutting that will be getting done.
If I lived close and was actually in the machining/CNC jobs, I would so sign up for the BOOMbastic open house. Hopefully we can get video of that event, I think it would be soooo cool to showcase that on the channel.
As for 3:06 I used to work on an XYZ machine which had somewhat Prototrak Control which allowed to follow the toolpath with your handwheel forward and reverse. This was excellent when machining castings, and complex parts regeneration when you were not sure if the stock had been modeled properly or there was tight space to clamps.
Love the titanium octopus cameo!
Fantastic video Jessie!
Awesome video Jessie!
Lubie takie szczegółowe objaśnianie mocowania 😉
I'm excited to see how this turns out.
с каждым видео узнаю что то новое
Огонь! Отличные зажимы!
Haas Cnc machines do something close to the Simens controls with the moving while in program, in the haas controller you can feed hold and hand jog it away from the material and it will remember where you were in program and return in reverse from the way you went away from the material much safer than straight line return. Also does not reset program 👍🏻
I think you’re a little miss leading on that feature. Several controls feature that function. Haas even better actually. But true FANUC doesn’t
@@Lwimmermastermetalart i know a fanuc does not I stated the simens controller comparssion
I've heard that Beau Nogoh might make an appearance at the Boombastic show!
I know having the latest and greatest stuff is nice.
I would have elevated the alu. Plate with 2x4x6 blocks and bolted from the bottom side .
It would have been supported 100% .
But killer option with moving in and out of program .
No matter how excited they get at the end of the day its fuc'ing machining that million of us do every day!!!
3:10 the hurco controll has an interrupt button. very cool moves up Z stops spindle so you can check on things even mid cut. and the machine resumes with a litle but of distance at the point it left
Hurco has a similar feature. You just hit the interrupt button and manually move the machine and when you want to continue machining, just press cycle start. The machine moves back to the interrupted position and continues. You can also start machining on any line even if it's not a safety line as long as the move from the current position can safely move to the ending position the machine would have been at had you run the code that is prior to the code you want to run. A very handy feature to have. Can the Siemens control also support starting any where in the code?
Yes you can start anywhere in the program with a function call Block Search mode. there are few options in this function
Seriously Siemens and DN are such a winning combo. Loving this project!
Much better control than the Fanuc. Nice work Jessie
killing time in my machining class the day before my state machining competition just to watch Titans❤❤
I would like to try one of these Siemens cnc controls.
wish I could come to the open house rip
I like the fact that in the USA you almost only know Fanuc controls or controls similar to Fanuc (Haas, Brother, etc...).
If you come to Switzerland, you'll find fewer and fewer Fanuc controls in mechanical workshops, more and more Heidenhain or Siemens are taking over, the only place Fanuc is still present is in watchmaking because of Robodrill, Willemin Macodel and Bumotec, even then some manufacturers are switching to other controls, either Siemens or Beckoff.
How did u come to that conclusion based on a joke? Lol i've been machining in the US for 15 years, multiple shops. Never even seen a Fanuc machine. Every shop i've been in runs Mazak or Heller.
All the high end shops in the US use Heidenhain or Siemens controls. You find more Siemens controls in the aerospace industry and more Heidenhain controls in the mold industry, but everyone knows that Fanuc is less capable. You do see a lot of Fanuc/fanuc knock offs in smaller shops though
Mazaks have a tool path storage feature that works similarly.
I remember doing something like that back in 1995 on my fanuc cnc...
Hanging out a country mile!
Welcome to 5-axis work with dual contact tool holders.
Mid auto manual has been a feature on Okuma controllers for long time now around 20 years.
I’m guessing they got this from heidenhain or from the edm world. I know Mitsubishi wires and makino sinkers do this same thing except makino will move in manual manipulation as well and it will also go back in the same exact way you moved it out! Don’t get me wrong sometimes this feature is annoying but when doing some seriously technical burn where you have to move in around obstacles it is a god send!
Fixturing GENIUS! Using stuff schunk has been selling for years 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
4:55 in mazak we call this TPS: Toll point save. For us tho it will go backwards. If i go X and then Z, when i press cycle start again it will go first Z and then X.
SORRY to iterfere the fab. option to move macchine out of program to maybe clean workpiece or check it was already avalable on an old control system SELCA probably 30 years ago.
Then has been bought out by Hidenhid...
Keep the good work going...
I've asked on another platform a while ago, but do you guys keep a standard set of tools in the machine or do you put them in/build them for every job and then take them out/tear them apart afterwards? And do yo guys CAM everything or do you write simple programs on pc/in the machine?
That's a cool feature. Can it handle a tool change, eg. Feed hold, M6 change to a probe/haimer, do a measurement, then hit cycle start and it figures out it needs to tool change back to the endmill?
Even if it could just handle a manual M6 Tprobe, manual measure cycle, M6 Tendmill, cycle start then it's super useful.
It can. Most machines have this feature honestly. It's only older machines or Fanuc and a few less common controls that don't. Even with Fanuc some manufacturers add custom routines to handle mid-file starts like this
I would love to go to your open house unfortunately I am a student from Germany and can't just fly to Texas outside the holidays
you can also go into jog and move away from the part by hand then just go back into auto and it will still reposition normaly
We've got a grid of zero-pt locations on the table so we can skip using t-nuts. Did your machine come with the ground locating bore option too?
i used a much simpler version 1999 sinumerik 840 , just press cycle stop , jog -》 jog away . then press auto to resume . But this did not work on all sinumerik machines (maybe it's machine builder integrated ) . The other way is something to do with the REPOS button . However i did not know how to use the Overstore
Okuma also has this feature, but it's not called feeg hold
Just to be clear. Mine 32 years old cnc machine know this repos. “feature” with dialog system. Nothing new. And with heidenhain you can set angle nullpoint and no need to use indicator.
I know it’s not a focus of this channel, but I’d be interested to know about the specs on the computers you used to run programs like solidworks and master cam
Okuma had that feature for the last 20+ years
Can you guys get Heidenhain iTNC and make the same?? I bet it does the same… Siemens is good on Turning- love it!!! Learning my Job at Schunk GER. If it comes up to program with parameters on a 5x… Siemens is getting bust…
why do you say that?
Me: i hope this doesn’t crash
My fanuc control: I’ll try my best to get there
Hi
I want to know the inspection for the particular process
In a sheet metal part we are adding the M6 Nut through spot welding process the nut is square shape in outer side suggested the best inspection methods for this process if needed 3D model please confirm I can share it to you
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It seems your clamps almost line up to the T slots in the table, wouldn't it save you a fixture if the Vero S had T nuts on the bottom?
It's probably because everything I machine is multi ton but seeing a job getting lifted using g-clamps was sketchy looking to me...I'd have my ass handed to me if I did that 😂
Hey guys! I'd love to make it to your event, but I'm currently at Sheppard AFB (Wichita falls) for training, and won't be able to make it there unless its the weekend. Is there a chance to come tour your shop on Saturday or Sunday?
I could try and bring some airman that would love a tour as well.
And to elaborate on this, The Air Force machining program is located here, so I'm certain we have some airman that would love an opportunity to stop by.
Did I miss something, when did he do the side of the fixture?
can you show us gundrilling?
I always wondering about the fact, you have the most modern Tool-Mashines, but no crane to load these Mashines
Heidenhen have option like manual position, when you press nc stop you have that option, and when you are finished you have option called restore position and you have every axis separeted, soo you can first move z, y or x , it doens need to go like 1 2 3, it can go 3 1 2, soo I dont know do you guys know about this, i see that titans in this video explain how it works on siemens but it is much easyer and better on haidenhein
First Go Titans
Would appreaciate if someone could clarify this for me? why not a six jaw chuck to hold this part? you can hold the ID to machine the OD and then hold the OD to machine the ID. was the size the restriction here?
Size, but mainly what he also mentioned: too thin walled to keep it i to place. Plus this setup allows for heavy cuts which is what titan likes to show off.
@@D3nn1s appreciate your answer
@@ramtinnazeryan no worries, if you got further questions let me know :)
Why threadmilling in al instead of just tapping ?
Why not bolt the standoffs directly to the table with t-nuts?
Use aluminium tooling plate made of cast 5083. No need to deck it off as it is machined parallel from the factory
Could have been picked because of cost or it was just stock laying around already. Lead times on cast aluminum plates like that in my area are long at the moment.
wait till he hears about what Heidenhain has been doing for years
Can't get to the open house. 😢
Haas has had this for years called program restart
Sadly I can’t come I got work and I can’t get there any way
This is cool and shows the upper echelon of tech and work holding however this makes this job totally unviable there are multiple thousands of dollars in work holding alone, pull studs, bases, jaws & baseplate. Could this not have been done entirely on the SMX in pretty much one setup. I appreciate you are showing different products and technology. I would suggest it would be better to show people how to make things complete in one setup and reduce expense and setups that would take this job from economically unviable apart for a demo to potentially reasonably price. I believe it would be far more valuable information and knowledge in my opinion. Would be curious to hear others opinions.
I mean it makes sense for this part to have a setup like this. You'll need the clearance from the table when getting those undercut areas. But for a ship without the expensive fixtures, it isn't hard to make a fixture to hold this out of some raw stock. The base plate doesn't need to be expensive and you can make those pillars or something good enough. It won't be as durable or long lasting or as repeatable as the purchased ones, but it'll get the job done. There are a lot of other cheapy ways to give the part clearance, they all just take more time than if you had the fixturing purchased.
I understand that this setup is required to mill on a 5 axis however I think it would have been more beneficial to show off what machines like an SMX are built for reducing required setups and making complex parts. I think since it was already in an SMX at one point it would be much simpler to show making it complete in once machine. Only one setup, reduced risk of crashes or mistakes no risk of mismatch, no additional work holding etc. I do also agree they could have followed a similar process to what they have done on a smaller budget. I just think if they were really having to RFQ this work they would be miles out a lot of the time and they are trying to help people compete in industry. I think the value is in the low investment high return areas such as the recent removable probe base etc.@@Marlfox570
Lol yeah my Fanuc does that too
How many tens of thousands of dollars worth of schunk workholding are you using here? I'm thinking about spending $900 on a vise if I can justify it....
i just weld everything to the bed
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I stop my Mazaks in the middle of the program and move it away to change inserts and restart it at a random point all the time 😅
Yeah it's not even seen as an extra feature on Mazak, u can just move it whenever u want lol
Kool video dude 🤘🏼 Good job you Mississippi mud monsta 😅
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laughs in Hurco. We've had an "interrupt" feature for over 20 years. Allows full manual control without exiting the program.
Why didn't you just use a 3 or 4 jaw chuck for the whole thing? Those mount points look like they will be in the way.
drill into table? just punch in next to hole "Oil Here" ;)
Laughing in Dialog11, and maybe HELLER, would disappoint me if they don't had this in 1990. And also a little bit in metric.
Okuma OSP has had that interrupt feature (mid auto manual) for decades. It’s nothing really new or special
3:15 hurco does this way better. They move X and Y first then Z
Bro never heard of heidenhain controls
Did I miss something? I don't ever remember saying you couldn't do this on Heidenhain. I said don't try this on a Fanuc.
@@Jessie_Smith You only missed the haters being jealous of you, thanks for the teaching moment and sharing all your knowledge.
@@bubbasplants189 Thank you! I am excited for these Siemens controls. There is a lot of stuff I would like to share that may be overlooked or unheard of with these controls.
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Lol, return to hold has been around a long time. Not a Siemens invention.
Siemens is so much nicer than fanuc. Heidenhein is even better :D
Why don't you use gantry in your shop. It's so much easier to use than forklift.
Not a torque wrench in sight...
Just put an m1 and re run that feature
like mazak hasnt done it since the late 80s... 4:35
I can't imagine what the sticker price was on that giant piece of brass....yikes.
Literally just FCS not that fancy we’ve been using them for over a decade
I stop mid cut and move my fanuc around all the time even change feeds and speed. Don't think it's that impressive.
can you elaborate a bit on how you do this on a fanuc control? I'm not sure how to do that
Are you only making ONE drum ??? .... it`s going to be expensive....with all that fixturing.....Does the costurmer pay for it all ???
College educated engineering kids can design anything on a computer. But few have the skill, knowledge and experience to design a proper, rigid and repeatable machining fixture.
So much money spent on tooling but using C-clamps as rigging??…Non marring vertical lift plate clamps would be a safe and legitimate rigging alternative y’all might want to look into