Yeah they do that when they are cold and first start up. The oil in the clutch hasn't heated up just yet, so it kicks it on full speed. It's pretty loud in the cab, and robs a lot of power! Thanks for watching! Be sure to check out the others!
It doesn't give you extra power it takes it away! I want to say they pull about 30hp from the engine. It must have just been getting hot climbing the hill!
Yeah I wasn't happy when I arrived and that thing was the only thing in the yard, was dying to ride in the comfort of a Freightliner. I didn't think they bought these things in 2014. But this truck has the Allison 2000, compared to the Eaton in the last truck. The Allison really wakes this truck up. I ran her hard and put her away wet.
+crazyjdkid The buses came with the Allison as well. Internationals aren't all that bad. From what I hear the drivers area is more comfortable than the Thomas', that's what my drivers say anyways.
My biggest dislike with the Internationals is the MaxxForce engines. All the DTs I have driven you could be going 40-50mph,then you go to accelerate and put your foot to the floor and its like you didn't even touch the pedal. The truck doesn't accelerate, its loud at idle compared to the Cummins as well. Its like you floor it, and the engine sits back sips some tea and reads the newspaper then comes back 5-10 seconds later and decides its going to go forward. The drivers area in this isn't bad, the newer ones have air ride, air brakes, and engine brakes.
crazyjdkid I didn't know you could sip tea and read the newspaper all in 5-10 seconds ;D but I like the idle on the DT. It's a little loud but it's alright.
I love the idle and engine speed sound on the DT's I just got one to replace one of my old Freightliner for work. I'm waiting to get it registered because of covid my silly county has been doing appointment only.. so I've been going crazy at home since after thanks giving wanting to drive my new money maker 🙃🙃
@@mr.propergaming1605 yea you can find affordable prices on them. The trick is to find one that has been taken care of right lol, but they are out there
That would be cool! I really like the Freightliner Business class M2, ride and drive much better than the Internatioanls. I think its crazy I can go out and rent this, but Enterprise won't rent me a car because of my age.
I'll think about it lol. We have a 1961 Ford F-600 cab and chassis truck sitting in the yard waiting to be restored. Maybe I'll make that my toy someday.
zachary lampman I have tried man! They keep giving me these Internationals with the DT. I honestly though they were almost all phased out. As the International with the Cummins ISB and the Freightliners replaced them all. I just so happen to get one of the last few, this is a 2014.
callofdutyguy9 I havent driven any 4700s, would like to though. I have ridden in a ton of them though, loud as you expect for that generation of trucks but overall well built. Although I do prefer the looks of the FL70 better myself.
Well its not so much to do with the truck itself but rather the company. Navistar has a history of not taking care of their customers and standing behind their product. Most of which has to do with their in house engines. Lets see the 6.0L/VT365, MaxxForce 7, and the MaxxForce 13 all are plagued with problems and have a ton of lawsuits. The majority of these issues arise from the lack of preparation and engineering when new emissions laws arose. They paid the government fines for years rather than produce a better, cleaner running engine and left their customers with a highly unreliable product without support. Even the DTs were very lackluster in their final days. So its hard to understand the reasoning on why one would support and risk with a company such as Navistar rather than go with one such as Freightliner/Hino/Ford/KW or another along those sorts that have been know for good service ethics. Now that Volkswagen just bought a large portion of Navistar, maybe they will work to improve it. But they have a lot of work to do so. I think they should re-brand there companies as IC is no longer an "Integrated Coach".Not sure how many of these medium duty trucks you have driven but I personally have found the Freightliners much more enjoyable to drive.
@@crazyjdkid they have improved massively when they swapped in Cummins into their lineup. The pre emissions DT isn’t bad but later ones are slugs 2013-15.
@@callofdutyguy9 I prefer International due to the looks but freightliner seems better built because they used better engines when navistar used those mAxJunK 7’s.
I had a 22ft Penske with the same engine it literally had no power I had to shift it to that M mode or H whatever they say now and get more RPM to get up the smallest hills.. but a friend had the same cab engine and transmission on his roll back tow truck only difference it was a 6 speed manual but the tow truck flew! maybe Penske reduces the power through the engine computer?
brambo Penske buys these trucks at the lowest power output rating so like 190-210hp. And the transmissions learn the behavior of the driver, and will adjust accordingly. The DT is a slug of an engine anyway, the Cummins really wakes these trucks up.
The MaxxForce DT fan comes on when it is cold started and driven right away. Thats why it was screaming in the beginning. After that it stays pretty quiet.
The MaxxForce DT was discontinued in 2015! The EPA it did not meet modern emissions. The only engine available now in that class is the Cummins 6.7 ISB
crazyjdkid you can get an ISL in it, not common, but is offered. The DuraScrap was only issued with MaxxNoises until 2016 when the EPA credits and spare engines were exhausted. To my knowledge, we may have two old ones with the old engine left in our district, some lease customers held on to them. In other news, we had a batch of brandy new MV’s come in last week, 26 foot reefers. And the internationals have Eatons, the Freightliners have Allisons. The MaxxForces absolutely hate the cold, can’t get them started for crap, and are very irritable. Once they warm up, they run a lot better. All the new trucks have air brakes. One way, local, lift and ramp.
+ThatRuinedMedia I would and sort of have that in one of my airbrake sound video. The problem is is nothing comes out of the exhaust except hot air. The DPF and the SCR (Cummins) catch any black smoke and muffles any noise. It doesn't make a sound and just feels like a hairdryer out of the pipe. I will still try to do a video with the next truck!
BusMaster99 I don't know. I love MaxxForce engines. Our school district has all CE & FE series busses with MaxxForce DT466. Naturally, the 2016 buses have the ISB6.7, but we haven't had any troubles with the MaxxForce engine.
Your district will find that the Cummins ISB is a much better engine. The older pre-egr/dpf DTs are good engines(Essentially the DT466/DT466E). But the the later ones are choked up so much. It was bred out of Navistar's inability and desperation to meet emissions. In which they failed miserably.The same thing happened during the transition from the T444E to the VT365. Poor engineering causing unnecessary failure.
Navistar has made some dumb decisions. Constantly making minute changes and then changing the name from DT466 to just DT, then to 13. If they just conformed to standards, they may have had more successful engines. Ford's 7.3 and 6.4 liter PowerStroke engines were much more solid. Navistar simply took them and jacked around with them, making their reliability suffer. Our district sold off all of the 2002 - 2004 busses over the summer. The 2005 - 2009 MaxxForce DT466's in them have been lucky I guess. They have pisspoor performance and may get up to 10 mpg, but they have never failed us.The bus that comes to my house to pick me up is an '09. Since it was bought in late '08, it has never had problems. It does have alot of issues with the automatic regen system, though. When we get to 2010 and up, things get a little sketchy. 2010 - 2012 have issues like piston blow-by and bad injector's. The 2013 model of MaxxForce DT, however, is a sack of sh*t. The have a huge issue with destroying turbo's. We've used Borg Warner, Holset, and I think Garrett turbo's. It destroys them all. On the way to the high school, my secondary bus, which is a 2013, had the bearings in the turbo blow up. I love the sound of the 2013 DT, just like all the other years of DT, but they just don't perform. Funny thing is that all of these busses don't even reach 195*F on the coolant. If they do, which is rare, the hydraulic powered fan kicks on, the coolant runs through the pisshole on the thermostat, and it cools back down to somewhere in the high 170*F vicinity within 20 seconds. These ISB's so far have been just as reliable. They have alot more get-off-the-line acceleration. But, haphazardly, the drivers of them are not used to the sound of it, nor dealing with the DEF tank. Personally, I believe IC moving to Cummins was a good idea. May be a better investment in the long run. But at the same time, we've used the DT's for a decade. The bus garage trained especially for them. It shouldn't be too hard for them to adapt given they are both straight-6 engines.
TK101Warhammer Visibility out of the cab is significantly better on the Freightliner. I felt much more comfortable driving the Freightliner through big cities than the International. The Freightliner has an Aluminum cab, so it will never rust. The cabin noise was a lot louder in the International. The Freightliner had much more room for the passengers, and didn't have things blocking there foot space...I could go on! Hopefully that answers some questions.
crazyjdkid crazyjdkid i went to both truck dealers and seen both and gotta say, visibility better in Frightliner?? False!! has more room, false. Aluminum cab yeah i rather my truck strong for accidents eg not made of pepsi cans. quieter cab? Not both are same cummins and sounded the same. more room inside? false. International has more room inside its fact. seems like you're just bias. but have a good day sir.
be happy with what you have
Not when I'm a paying customer.
Its so bad ass when that egine fan kicks on
Yeah they do that when they are cold and first start up. The oil in the clutch hasn't heated up just yet, so it kicks it on full speed. It's pretty loud in the cab, and robs a lot of power! Thanks for watching! Be sure to check out the others!
crazyjdkid. My bus only did when its hot. And some times it kickes in for extra power going up steep hils
It doesn't give you extra power it takes it away! I want to say they pull about 30hp from the engine. It must have just been getting hot climbing the hill!
crazyjdkid. I think so or the turbo cuz that bus had a mercatty bends egine all my bus driver said and one said that bus. Turbo
Yes it does sounds like it’s going to war
You don't know how hard I'm laughing right now cause I know that's exactly what you didn't want 😂😂😂
Yeah I wasn't happy when I arrived and that thing was the only thing in the yard, was dying to ride in the comfort of a Freightliner. I didn't think they bought these things in 2014. But this truck has the Allison 2000, compared to the Eaton in the last truck. The Allison really wakes this truck up. I ran her hard and put her away wet.
+crazyjdkid The buses came with the Allison as well. Internationals aren't all that bad. From what I hear the drivers area is more comfortable than the Thomas', that's what my drivers say anyways.
My biggest dislike with the Internationals is the MaxxForce engines. All the DTs I have driven you could be going 40-50mph,then you go to accelerate and put your foot to the floor and its like you didn't even touch the pedal. The truck doesn't accelerate, its loud at idle compared to the Cummins as well. Its like you floor it, and the engine sits back sips some tea and reads the newspaper then comes back 5-10 seconds later and decides its going to go forward. The drivers area in this isn't bad, the newer ones have air ride, air brakes, and engine brakes.
crazyjdkid I didn't know you could sip tea and read the newspaper all in 5-10 seconds ;D but I like the idle on the DT. It's a little loud but it's alright.
Nashawn03-12 same
that engien sound sound so dam good
I love the idle and engine speed sound on the DT's
I just got one to replace one of my old Freightliner for work. I'm waiting to get it registered because of covid my silly county has been doing appointment only.. so I've been going crazy at home since after thanks giving wanting to drive my new money maker 🙃🙃
@@MRD0889 i hope covid goes away soon
@@MRD0889 makes me want to buy a box truck used box trucks arn't that expensive well at least some of them.
@@MRD0889 most of all i love the fan noise its so loud.
@@mr.propergaming1605 yea you can find affordable prices on them. The trick is to find one that has been taken care of right lol, but they are out there
Someday I'm going to buy an old Ford F800 or L9000 and put a pickup bed on it. I love the medium and heavy duty trucks.
That would be cool! I really like the Freightliner Business class M2, ride and drive much better than the Internatioanls. I think its crazy I can go out and rent this, but Enterprise won't rent me a car because of my age.
Im in love with the Freightliner m2 my fav truck you should rent one :)
I'll think about it lol. We have a 1961 Ford F-600 cab and chassis truck sitting in the yard waiting to be restored. Maybe I'll make that my toy someday.
zachary lampman I have tried man! They keep giving me these Internationals with the DT. I honestly though they were almost all phased out. As the International with the Cummins ISB and the Freightliners replaced them all. I just so happen to get one of the last few, this is a 2014.
MichaelTJD60 That would be neat!
Hi JD. Have you ever driven the older International 4700? What do you think of the older trucks. I love the boxier look of those trucks.
callofdutyguy9 I havent driven any 4700s, would like to though. I have ridden in a ton of them though, loud as you expect for that generation of trucks but overall well built. Although I do prefer the looks of the FL70 better myself.
crazyjdkid you seem like a big Freightliner fan. That's OK though. They're only second Navistar :)
Well its not so much to do with the truck itself but rather the company. Navistar has a history of not taking care of their customers and standing behind their product. Most of which has to do with their in house engines. Lets see the 6.0L/VT365, MaxxForce 7, and the MaxxForce 13 all are plagued with problems and have a ton of lawsuits. The majority of these issues arise from the lack of preparation and engineering when new emissions laws arose. They paid the government fines for years rather than produce a better, cleaner running engine and left their customers with a highly unreliable product without support. Even the DTs were very lackluster in their final days. So its hard to understand the reasoning on why one would support and risk with a company such as Navistar rather than go with one such as Freightliner/Hino/Ford/KW or another along those sorts that have been know for good service ethics. Now that Volkswagen just bought a large portion of Navistar, maybe they will work to improve it. But they have a lot of work to do so. I think they should re-brand there companies as IC is no longer an "Integrated Coach".Not sure how many of these medium duty trucks you have driven but I personally have found the Freightliners much more enjoyable to drive.
@@crazyjdkid they have improved massively when they swapped in Cummins into their lineup. The pre emissions DT isn’t bad but later ones are slugs 2013-15.
@@callofdutyguy9 I prefer International due to the looks but freightliner seems better built because they used better engines when navistar used those mAxJunK 7’s.
É o motor do chassi Volkswagen 17-230 EOD no Brasil e na América Latina.
Have one in my durastar tow truck one issue was the turbo but that's what happens when you have 350K on the dial
any tips for maintenance? have a maxxforce 10
I had a 22ft Penske with the same engine it literally had no power I had to shift it to that M mode or H whatever they say now and get more RPM to get up the smallest hills.. but a friend had the same cab engine and transmission on his roll back tow truck only difference it was a 6 speed manual but the tow truck flew! maybe Penske reduces the power through the engine computer?
brambo Penske buys these trucks at the lowest power output rating so like 190-210hp. And the transmissions learn the behavior of the driver, and will adjust accordingly. The DT is a slug of an engine anyway, the Cummins really wakes these trucks up.
crazyjdkid the cat engines would beat all of these honestly because it pulls well uphill
The cummins ISB’s in these trucks are also godawful, heavily derated. I’d take a MaxxNoise over an ISB in a second (assuming it’s in a good mood)
@@crazyjdkid Penskes need at least 320 hp if they can hold up to 10,000 pounds
See I was in your stream earlier.. It does seem like the international DT is louder and has the engine fan on more
The MaxxForce DT fan comes on when it is cold started and driven right away. Thats why it was screaming in the beginning. After that it stays pretty quiet.
Well we did call it the MaxxNoise for a reason
Actually the newer one's have the same engine's. about 5 months ago we rented a brand new durastar just like that one and it sounded exactly the same.
The MaxxForce DT was discontinued in 2015! The EPA it did not meet modern emissions. The only engine available now in that class is the Cummins 6.7 ISB
crazyjdkid you can get an ISL in it, not common, but is offered. The DuraScrap was only issued with MaxxNoises until 2016 when the EPA credits and spare engines were exhausted. To my knowledge, we may have two old ones with the old engine left in our district, some lease customers held on to them. In other news, we had a batch of brandy new MV’s come in last week, 26 foot reefers.
And the internationals have Eatons, the Freightliners have Allisons.
The MaxxForces absolutely hate the cold, can’t get them started for crap, and are very irritable. Once they warm up, they run a lot better.
All the new trucks have air brakes. One way, local, lift and ramp.
@@crazyjdkid That sucks because the MaxxForce sounds 1000 times better than the Cummins. I've always hated the way the Cummins sounds.
@@jaysmith1408 actually International has the option of an Allison or an Eaton (Eaton was discontinued for 2020).
Awesome engine besides Cummins!
Thanks for watching! I have 2 other trucks on my channel that have the Cummins!
you should try sticking the camera underneath the truck to try at some exhaust footage? just an idea
+ThatRuinedMedia I would and sort of have that in one of my airbrake sound video. The problem is is nothing comes out of the exhaust except hot air. The DPF and the SCR (Cummins) catch any black smoke and muffles any noise. It doesn't make a sound and just feels like a hairdryer out of the pipe. I will still try to do a video with the next truck!
do you need a commercial license
Not for the truck featured in this video! It has a max weight of 25,999 lbs. But that does not mean its easy to drive and everyone should drive one!
The engine sounds weird. I can see why Navistar switched to Cummins.
The idle is very rough, and acceleration was poor.
+crazyjdkid True that.
BusMaster99 I don't know. I love MaxxForce engines. Our school district has all CE & FE series busses with MaxxForce DT466. Naturally, the 2016 buses have the ISB6.7, but we haven't had any troubles with the MaxxForce engine.
Your district will find that the Cummins ISB is a much better engine. The older pre-egr/dpf DTs are good engines(Essentially the DT466/DT466E). But the the later ones are choked up so much. It was bred out of Navistar's inability and desperation to meet emissions. In which they failed miserably.The same thing happened during the transition from the T444E to the VT365. Poor engineering causing unnecessary failure.
Navistar has made some dumb decisions. Constantly making minute changes and then changing the name from DT466 to just DT, then to 13. If they just conformed to standards, they may have had more successful engines. Ford's 7.3 and 6.4 liter PowerStroke engines were much more solid. Navistar simply took them and jacked around with them, making their reliability suffer.
Our district sold off all of the 2002 - 2004 busses over the summer. The 2005 - 2009 MaxxForce DT466's in them have been lucky I guess. They have pisspoor performance and may get up to 10 mpg, but they have never failed us.The bus that comes to my house to pick me up is an '09. Since it was bought in late '08, it has never had problems. It does have alot of issues with the automatic regen system, though.
When we get to 2010 and up, things get a little sketchy. 2010 - 2012 have issues like piston blow-by and bad injector's. The 2013 model of MaxxForce DT, however, is a sack of sh*t. The have a huge issue with destroying turbo's. We've used Borg Warner, Holset, and I think Garrett turbo's. It destroys them all. On the way to the high school, my secondary bus, which is a 2013, had the bearings in the turbo blow up. I love the sound of the 2013 DT, just like all the other years of DT, but they just don't perform.
Funny thing is that all of these busses don't even reach 195*F on the coolant. If they do, which is rare, the hydraulic powered fan kicks on, the coolant runs through the pisshole on the thermostat, and it cools back down to somewhere in the high 170*F vicinity within 20 seconds.
These ISB's so far have been just as reliable. They have alot more get-off-the-line acceleration. But, haphazardly, the drivers of them are not used to the sound of it, nor dealing with the DEF tank.
Personally, I believe IC moving to Cummins was a good idea. May be a better investment in the long run. But at the same time, we've used the DT's for a decade. The bus garage trained especially for them. It shouldn't be too hard for them to adapt given they are both straight-6 engines.
No brother it’s an Allison 2500
can you drive one with airbrakes
Check the other videos on my channel! I have two others that have air brakes.
DT466 is the greatest medium duty Diesel ever made.
Back that statement up to prove it!
crazyjdkid DT466 was in production since the 1980s, was wet-sleeve and rebuildable.
callofdutyguy9 runs most of Georgetown ISD's school buses
do you work for penske?
I do not, why do you ask?
I guess the better way of answering that question it to say I am a Penske customer. So I guess the answer would be yes?
crazyjdkid oh got you, do you have a job in the field?
TheWallyjp Nope, I just need them from time to time and use the opportunity to make videos.
Can you do it and be taken at Lincoln for me my name is Rosie no need to get a full throttle that link and get it out the VTEC
Lol this is not a Honda! No VTEC on this puppy!
See if you can make the engine get VTEC
I'd rather be stuck with a Dr than an old v8 bb in a straight truck lol
That acceleration sounds nice, but comes no where near a MBE!
Oh yeah I know! The DT is not my favorite engine, this truck is slow.
Yeah. You did say something about a Freightliner in this video, is there any Freightliner's with MBE's?
Nope, just an International. Penske doesn't have any MBE trucks anymore.
Ah that sucks.
crazyjdkid do they have Cummins isb 6.7 engine
want one for my business
Strongly suggest a Freightliner M2 over this truck!
crazyjdkid why? what if i get this truck with allison and cummins.. itll be like frightliner no?
Watch my Freightliner review! The ergonomics and driving dynamics of the Freightliner are significantly better!
TK101Warhammer Visibility out of the cab is significantly better on the Freightliner. I felt much more comfortable driving the Freightliner through big cities than the International. The Freightliner has an Aluminum cab, so it will never rust. The cabin noise was a lot louder in the International. The Freightliner had much more room for the passengers, and didn't have things blocking there foot space...I could go on! Hopefully that answers some questions.
crazyjdkid crazyjdkid i went to both truck dealers and seen both and gotta say, visibility better in Frightliner?? False!! has more room, false. Aluminum cab yeah i rather my truck strong for accidents eg not made of pepsi cans. quieter cab? Not both are same cummins and sounded the same. more room inside? false. International has more room inside its fact. seems like you're just bias. but have a good day sir.
Allison 2000 can't beat a good old Eaton Manual!
The Eaton Auto-Man in the last truck was scary slow. This Allison runs like a raped ape! Thanks for watching!
Allison anything can beat Eaton...lol but in the 18 wheelers, they Eatons do well lol
True, although even in big trucks manual transmissions are slowly disappearing.
Allison md3060 is heavier and stronger than pt2000
The Pre 2011 MaxxForce DT466's were better, at least on the school buses that's the case.
All pre emissions engines are better than their emission counterparts.
@@crazyjdkid true
freightliner is not my favorite oh no
. oh no
don't like em, freightliner tht is
bad experience's
Simon Dorothy why?