*UPD: The "Nitro cheat" chat message is now CONFIRMED to be fake.* The person faking the message confessed themselves that it had been faked intentionally. Venusian knew it was fake from the beginning, yet he decided to use false evidence in his video: media.discordapp.net/attachments/988018375659769898/1019559475658625044/12312313223.PNG As for other clips, the cheaters that worked with Venusian *have agreed on being wrong about their claims.* Almost all the clips were gathered by a person named JadedRoses, who has accepted the fact that their evidence has been debunked by this video. DISCORD: discord.gg/EMZhDXV TWITCH: twitch.tv/vorobey69
Fatmagic isn't a cheater. He's much worse: A player who's perfected playing sniper to the point it makes playing on any map with open spaces a pure nightmare to play on.
@@impracticalnuke I mean I really don't like fatmagic, but my god the amount of times I felt bad for the enemy I was aiming at when my sydney sleeper darts slammed into a wall right next to him and still jarate'd him is just absurd lmao
That clip where VR accuses Fatmagic of wallhacks is especially stupid since that's a common goddamn sniper position. Fatmagic didn't even need to see him a few seconds earlier, there's spots where you always half expect a sniper to be and can preaim accordingly. Hell it's not even just a common sniper spot, it's a common spot for people to be in general when the cart is in that area.
Way I see it is more that he no doubt moved his mouse really quick around the corner and that Pyro was backing up into it at that moment. Because in that same frame the little dot then overblew the Pyro. An aimbot no doubt would've in a single second took both of them without even a reload animation. I see people do that to me a lot because I am not aware of my surroundings.
For the longest time, I'd always thought that Valve should port the Overwatch system that they use in CS:GO (a volunteer program where regular players can watch demos of reported matches and vote on whether they think the person is cheating or not - with enough convictions awarding them with a matchmaking ban) over to TF2 for our community to use to mitigate the uselessness of VAC. But after seeing how many people actually believe that Fatmagic is cheating, I've changed my mind. Way too many TF2 players have no idea how this game actually works for an Overwatch system to be effective. Anyone who has played for more than a few hundred hours should be able to recognize that hit registration in TF2 is garbage, and slightly offset crosshair placement should honestly never be used as concrete evidence for cheating. But apparently not. Appreciate the amount of work that went into this video. Also, it's worth noting that just because a cheater confirms an accusation when it's not based on cheating software functionality, it doesn't mean much. The majority of cheaters simply don't play TF2 the way it's intended to be played. I was once accused by a long-time cheater of using Silent Aim because they saw a clip where I did damage when my crosshair was not on a player. What they failed to see was that my sentry gun was doing the damage. Cheaters cheat because they are bad at the game. So they are not exactly the best source of information when it comes to the functionality of TF2. Not to mention, most of them never pass up an opportunity for a few scraps of attention on UA-cam. Something to keep in mind.
Jokes aside, you're absolutely correct. Any sort of player-based anticheat would have the same result as what Fatmagic experiences on a day to day basis. False accusations, and therefore false kicks/bans.
I ran into VenusianRapper in casual yesterday. Was playing spy and got a couple nice trickstabs. He would use the bind "bad paste" whenever he killed me. I was really confused bc I still don't get what that means, and because I hadn't even killed him that game, much less pulled any trickstabs on him; I even failed easy stabs on him several times. The moment I got autobalanced to his team, he said in VC "go get 'em with your autobackstab". I didn't know it was him until I read his profile. Seems like he just likes to randomly accuse people.
@@Vorobey69 Oh lmao, see I didn't even think of that because I didn't know you could just paste cheats... Thanks for the cool video, I learned a lot about hitscan weapon hit detection.
paste is an extremely common term in cheating and hvh community. it boils down to the meaning that the cheat you are using was using code that the dev just copied and pasted into their own. obviously, that is both stealing and results in reduced quality of the cheat since it wasn't made by themselves and might be from a less quality cheat. and if he's saying you're using a bad paste, why is he getting mad over it lol
It's obvious that he isn't a cheater because he's always happy in his videos. Cheaters are sad angry people, they wouldn't shine the genuine joy that Fatmagic does
I'd say it depends on the cheater. I've met a few who are cool, including Xarq0n, who is one of the coolest cheaters I've seen in any game, prioritizing fun over everything else. However, many cheaters are as negative as you describe.
I remember cheating in mc pocket edition like on 2016... I only ended up flying and letting the most noob players alive to fight for their lives, while they saw me flying... if they entertained me i let the winner actually win
So now that this video is out, I would love to give an actual response to any potential questions anyone may have about any of the clips. I will start with some questions I get asked the most - Why did you not respond to the initial evidence? Because the evidence is laughable, shows no knowledge of the game or basic fps mechanics, and was created by a joke of a personality human being, so I did not want to feed into dumb drama or converse with an idiot You however, I would love to discuss literally anything you think is suspicious by me and actually have a real conversation about it! Whether it be here or over a call, or even in a vid idk Your video is well researched, knowledgeable and I appreciate you covering this. (Though I think it''s funny that you said you were researching me before the allegations haha) - Why was your aim better before? The reason I am rustier now is because I don't play as much as I used to. When I was in highschool and working at Domino's, I could easily log 80+ hours /2weeks. Now that this is my job, my time is split between Editing, Recording, playing other classes, Life stuff etc. In fact, there was a time where I only logged 15 hrs in 2 weeks for several months straight. (Though I am adding an aiming regimen to my schedule to make sure that not only do I get back to how I was, but get even better. I talk about it in some of my vids. I would like to go professional one day) Stay tuned for some sick games coming up on the channel! Also all the triggerbot evidence I see is either me wanting to line up a shot for an assured kill, charging up dmg for a shot, or just being indecisive
Honestly, a lot of players could be cheaters based on venussian's logic. He grabs one "suspicious" clip from an hours long play session and try to use it as evidence. Context is really important, if you have one suspicious shot and 100 normal looking, you can very confidently call it luck or coincidence. If you think about it, everyone could be using trigger bot if his logic applied to everyone. I only have around 400 hours in the game, and there are plenty of times where I have no clue how I hit a very unlikely shot. Anyways, good luck, and I hope venussian's stuff didn't dirty up your name too much. Cya
Yeah it's almost like you played the game for an extended period of time might have a little bit of game seance and just understand fundamental things about the classes
I think it's hilarious that the only triggerbot "evidence" is not making some shots. Wish Vorobey wasn't all "he could be or he couldn't be" when there's no evidence for the claim at all.
People also like to forget that the average 15 minute gameplay video is made from multiple hours of footage with the fun parts cherry picked. And fatmagic doesn't even cherry pick _that_ much either, half of his videos are him _missing_ these crazy flicks.
I find myself replacing not only boots, but the dash item as well. It lets me get another accessory for survival (paladin's shield) or damage (destroyer emblem). Edit: wait what, i swear i posted this reply on a terraria video.
Even if Fartmagic does end up cheating, Venushawn's case was so flawed that it might end up aiding Fatmagic if ever because of how sloppy, unreliable, and far fetched the "evidence" is.
One of the things that annoyed me the most with this guy's original video accusing Fat Magic of cheating is the ending to it when he cited the fable of Icarus. Out of everything, it was the most annoying because it perfectly summarized the rest of his video: excessive fart huffing while thinking he knows more than he actual does. If he wanted to do real research, he should've started by looking up "confirmation bias" and "Dunning-Kruger."
He had such an air of self righteousness and superiority in the entire video, talking down to people like he knows everything and was the objectively moral party. While he’s just spouting speculation that he claims to be fact because it helps him take a jab at someone he doesn’t like lmao. The video gave me a few good laughs from his behavior lol
For those wondering what the dubbing Kruger affect is, basically imagine height is how smart you FEEL and length how smart you ARE and this is the graph |\-__-/
Funny because he actually made videos pretending to be a bot. Where he looks up everytime he hits an headshot. in spectate pov its looks sus for them, and he did end up getting kicked a lot
don't get me wrong I got kicked couple of times but being in this big accusation that splits people to two due to how good you are is a sick compliment can't lie.
Yknow the scene in BB where Walt and Jesse are threatening Saul in masks and he starts shouting about unrelated shit? "It was Ignacio! It was Ignacio!" And Walt and Jesse are left confused as to what shit he had gotten himself in? Thats basically the dumb shit Venusian pulled when he commented about His ex messaging Voro.
People are still trying to defend Venusian, when he HIMESELF fled the community after being demolished by facts and logic? I mean damn, didn’t think this many people had -100 IQ.
venusian did expose someone tho. not fatmagic. venusian exposed an entire underground of clowns that search up dirt on legit good players to make them look like cheaters meanwhile secretly washing their hands off from their actual cheating garbage. 10/10 fun video!
Even if Fatmagic cheats, Venusian is probably too jealous since he can’t even hide his cheats in his videos as well as Fatmagic does. Because the evidence i gathered on Venusian will be too embarrassing
@@Vorobey69 i dont care about the cheating fiasco i am more infuriated about these people saying they're the good guys but act like literal jerks. kinda like the newer hero tropes in hollywood movies now like hell
@@itsjustaclint8404 They are trying so hard to shove their evidence down everyone's throats and basically harassing anyone who disagrees This is literally a "How NOT to make an exposed video" moment
As someone with over 5000 hours in TF2 and multiple years of competitive play in 6v6 and 9v9, my leaning in this debate is that Fatmagic doesn't cheat. As a captain of a team it's my job to not only spectate my own team but also watch match reviews and gameplay of the opposing teams. I've seen, what I thought at the time was, some sketchy sniping, but as I continued to gain experience in the game and also learning more about FPS, sever delay, lag compensation, and frame rates, a lot of "sketchy" behavior can come down to the desynch between those issues, and also issues with the server as well as how things are seen in spectate. While I think it's good to keep an open mind, I'd still cast my vote in support of Fatmagic not using any sort of hack, but I'm also open to the possibility of it seeing as the lines of a really good sniper and someone using a hack can be blurred fairly easily.
@@nexusthenormie5578 are you kidding me? Up until a few months ago 2/3 of the playerbase was hacking bots. How could you not see hacks around every fucking corner when it is so easy to do? Especially for dirty fucking sniper mains.
@@John_Smith_Dumfugg I think he meant calling hacks on actual people that aren’t bots and aren’t blatantly hacking and not trying to hide it. He also probably means just in general, not just TF2 lol.
@@Confy__ anyone who's even a little suspect i vote to kick. And the nice thing about being infested with bots for so long is people usually F1 without hesitation. Worst case scenario, some 10,000 hour sniper main named Gregor has to find a different server. Boohoo.
triggerbot seems like the only valid accusation for fatmagic, but it can also apply to any professional player of any game since you know when you're going to click more than anyone else does
I never actually once accused Fatmagic to be a cheater of any kind, some people are just built differently than others and unfortunately, its not uncommon to have rare talent be called a bluff by people who cant or wont strive that far.
Some players are just good at aiming when I see his gameplay he has good tracking one of the parts of sniper but he still misses or screws up plus predictions exists he just seems a good player
The thing is he's just a pub stomper no disrespect to him but any season highlander sniper is better then him and way more consistent. The point is he's not that insane of a sniper.
I keep laughing at the fact that pre-aiming places where you KNOW snipers are going to be means that it HAS to be walls, especially that FatMagic was in a sniper fight at that moment Bravo venusian you really showed us back then bravo
I'm a staff member on a TF2 server. I can say with certainty that Venusian doesn't know the first thing about detecting a cheater. In his final hard evidence section where he shows the snap, I would have thought "Wow, that's suspicious and looked liked cheats!" but I wouldn't ban based on one clip like that, no good staff member would unless it is blatant enough, which this clip isn't. What you should look for when spectating a suspected cheater is consistent patterns, if that snap happened over and over, it would be a lot more suspicious, but you can see in the clip that right after the flick shot, he goes to shoot someone else and MISSES THE SHOT. Looking at one clip out of a single play session isn't enough to determine someone a cheater most of the time, and slapping these suspicious clips from several sessions together and saying "Look he's cheating!" is disingenuous and misleading.
As a staff member and sniper main i get those insane flicks on heads only difference is that he has more experience and controls his aim and muscle memory more. In general Fatmagic is very capable sniper then rest of the sniper mains including me. Its not cheating its simply experience Spotting cheater its not hard. Spotting those patterns and movement isn't hard only thing you need is a common sense and experience to spot it.
@@despe954 I feel it also depends on the way you are thinking about someone when looking for cheats. If you are confident someone is cheating before you gather the evidence, then whatever evidence you do have will be heavily biased. Being able to break out of that thought process and look at suspected cheaters more objectively is key when trying to spot them. This objectivity is what Venusian clearly lacks.
Yeah I’ve said this multiple times, if FatMagic was a cheater: he is the shittiest cheater ever, he misses quite a lot, I’ll be watching his videos and notice several streaks of just missing shots.
@@VentA_7 which is more than fair. If you see the vods of prem/invite snipers they miss quite some shots and they have games when they perform horribly. It happens sometimes
Another point for 12:36. This is literally the most common spot for snipers on 2nd point. Even questioning ESP here is weird unless the red sniper was hiding in the platform on the right next to the track and he pre aimed that without his team even shooting there or seeing it on a kill cam.
Yeah. There is a 98% chance a sniper is scoped there just like on last on the spawn shutter. You just have to play the game enough. Hell I main medic and I know most snipers spots on most maps to avoid them sightlines.
@@lyell63 to be honest medic is like THE class (aside from snoipah) where knowing popular sightlines is important so you dont fucking die instantly and lose all your uber and let nearby people die bc u can't heal them
I love how in terms of Vorobey's lore, he treats it like Officer Vorobski and Vorobey are two separate people, which makes it all the more entertaining to watch
its so obvious that he was just charging his rifle in the "triggerbot" clips. All those clips include a kunai spy with hp particles around him. Means he probably won't die from a quickscope.
I was on the side of fatmagic not being a cheater because his gameplay first looks real and in general has a good aim even when not aiming on heads specifically and even good sound/placement knowledge so I was very confident that fatmagic was not cheating. Now that I know about the client vs server hit registration, I'm even more convinced he isn't cheating. However I can never be 100% sure he isn't cheating because it's really hard to compare a cheater using a triggerbot and a player that spent years improving his aim like you said. I guess the only way you can 100% prove he isn't cheating is driving to his mountain house surrounded by foxes and watch him play without him knowing. When he is done recording, you break his window pin him on the ground and scan his computer for any traces of used cheats clients. Now you have to run away because when he is angry, he will melee crit you.
Fortunately, the BLU Eyelander Demoknight that has four times the score as second place and eighteen more points than all of RED combined is gonna help you afterthefact.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 Actually, since he's been in his home gaming for over an hour, even if he does quickscope one of you, his crit bucket is empty, so he only has a 15% chance of critting instead of a 45%-60% chance. So just kill him while he reloads his rifle.
from what i saw as well it looks like the charge meter refreshes faster then the ammo count making it easy to see the frame or frames around where the shot was taken meaning that if the sniper firing has any noticeable charge meter you can identify by when the charge meter resets to confirm when the shot was taken
Finally a video that goes into details of how the game works! And also with an "answer" to the drama: Fatmagic could be using triggerbot but there is no concrete evidence of him cheating so under the premise "Innocent until proven guilty " he is innocent. Though with how triggerbot works unfortunately any good sniper can be suspected for using it. Despite the fact that both FM and Vorobey talk very poorly about cheaters there is still a possibility that they are using triggerbot as it is extremely hard to notice especially for an average viewer like myself. Thank you for the investigation. Looking forward to the next video on VenusianRapper!
Something I've noticed about cheaters is that they always eventually slip up or, when they stop cheating, are shown to really suck. Fatmagic can do well on any class and has demonstrated good gamesense and control in a variety of situations. He's just a good player when he wants to be, even if he's intentionally goofing around. I don't know why people obsess over this sort of thing rather than just enjoying his content or ignoring it.
i have abou 20k hours in a lot of different shooter games and i can tell you voro doesnt cheat, his crosshair movement is completely legit and if he was using triggerbot it would sometimes go off accidentily when someone runs through his crosshair unexpectedly. if someone at that skill level would use triggerbot, they would basically never miss a shot. and his prediction shots with projectile weapons are just as good as his aim with hitscan weapons. not cheating. just a russian guy with amazing gamesense, reaction time and hand eye coordination.
" Though with how triggerbot works unfortunately any good sniper can be suspected for using it." yeah, this has been haunting me since i saw this video lol
Triggerbot is apparent in Fatmagic's aiming style. Venusian had a point where Fatmagic didn't use to do "driveby" headshots in his older vids, when now he does. I believe Fatmagic uses triggerbot to just consistently get good footage to upload.
I get what you're saying, but it makes sense that they did. Cheaters have experience with the software and can offer valuable insight into what does and does not seem legit. Yes, their credibility may be lowered, but I support the practice.
@@loonybin3751 ok but anyone can just name themself "Cheater" and pretend to know what they're talking about "hmmm yes the hitbox slaps yo the cracker jack pie and i have used that so he is DEFINITELY hacking"
I was on the fence about the whole thing, I wasn't sure, actually I was even leaning slightly towards fatmagic cheating, but your research and video in general were amazing and objective. Great work man, truly. It makes no difference to me, I don't even watch fatmagic's content, but it sucks to have your name dragged through the mud like that. Officer Vorobsky never misses his mark it seems.
Bro, if you even watched the venusiasion rapper dude, youd realize how much of an attention seeking loser he is. His videos is literal starting shit with people just playing the game. He occasionally catches cheaters, but him and his friends are fucking cringe as hell
@@jeffsh20 I mean if he doesn't watch fatmagics content he's obviously going to think he's cheating because he has no idea who he is He just knows that he's either really good or a closet cheater (we all know the answer though)
@@tylerlackey1175 Venusian made like 4 videos on him, + some other people reacted to it and gave their opinions, I don't know what's so hard to understand? I knew that fatmagic exists, and that he plays tf2, but I don't watch his vids. Twitter syndrome lmao. Ironically, I never used twitter in my life so I have no idea what you are even talking about there.
It took an hour and fifteen minutes to accuse Fatmagic of cheating. This video is just twenty-eight minutes, and it does better at *actually explaining shit* than both of Venusian’s videos
Fatmagic ran over my dog on his unicycle and yelled out at me admitting he cheats in tf2. It’s so sad we let this behavior go unpunished in our community 😢
I also flick like a madman sometimes and it can look like if I was cheating. Also hitboxes are so freaking weird and lag compensation... You cannot say if someone's cheating just by watching footage, the best way to tell if someone is cheating is playing against him. It's so ez to know that way...
I'm surprised that you got so technical and never mentioned shounic. A lot of things you mentioned regarding lag and hitboxes were explained on his channel.
This was explained not only by shounic but by some people long time ago on TF2 forums, reddit, etc. It's nothing new, but I guess tickrate, client based particles, server lag are extremely difficult topics for a lot of people so this info is easily forgetable.
Exactly! I was so annoyed that nobody in the whole video even mentioned ghost hitboxes!! Valve's lag compensation is 'very generous', so to speak, and shooting where the player _used_ to be a few milliseconds earlier almost always counts as a hit
so i'm just say this, even if VenusianRapper is the worst human on the face of the earth i'll still watch him because it's funny to see a grow man scream about a 15 year old game and how he's smarter then children
You do you I guess. Me personally I think he is one of the most insufferable, despiseable, pieces of absolute horseshit I've ever seen, he is horrific and genuinely evil
Shounic does videos on mechanics in tf2, practically laying bare the raw data to do so, and they solidly explain away much if not all of the potential jank in these “fatmagic cheats” clips, just indirectly. But the tick rate and spectator thing is new. Vorobey did a phenomenal job actually doing his research here
So the Fatmagic aim drama is basically still up in the air when it comes to a definitive answer, but in the process we've got some *much* more spicy drama with Venusian coming up.
@@underscore_4231 there is always the possibility he cheats. But the information being provided is so vague and poorly executed, and since many of us operate on (the correct idea of) Innocent until proven guilty: most of us will not think of him as a cheater
"The greatest award that you can give a Sniper Main is not of upmost praise and adoration, but of a server vac ban for cheating" *_-Sun Tzu, The Art of Sniper_*
I’ve been a big fan of fatmagic for a long time, the guy just chills out and has fun but is actually very decent at the game. Just let him make his content, it’s so funny and he’s genuinely good at tf2. Good vid man I’m agreeing with all u saying
@@thebrokensword5017 its free content for people to milk, in fact this issue regarding Fatmagic's hackusation was resolved a long time ago yet every once in a while we get tf2bers to bring it up again and low and behold Vorobey gets in to the fray mentioning what we already know, this is why tf2 content has been getting stale over time, people want to be excited over something rather than face the fact that the game itself will never be fixed and rid of the cheaters and bots no matter how hard we cry, the game isn't dead but its on life support and each day the community is getting closer and closer to pulling the plug and move on, its hard to get excited over the game when the community is just bringing up the past all the time with no prospect of the future of the game, the game will last but its in a steep decline
Venusian's the kinda guy where no matter what you say to debunk his claims, he's just gonna turn it around and say that you proved him right. Clips of you shooting for the shoulders and hitting a hs? "Wow you're cheating! More proof for my case" Clips of you landing what should be a perfect hs and missing entirely? "Wow nice silent miss!"
That's only the tiniest part of his gaslighting. Anyway, what's your opinion on the whole case? I saw you commenting on venusian's video about Fatmagic
Felt all videos were a waste of my time. No actual evidence + Ven has called me and my legit friends cheaters when even I wasn't cheating so I sorta expected as much. He'd talked about exposing FM and showed me the pyro clip all the way back in 2020, but I thought he'd actually find solid proof of cheats before making an expose vid. My personal opinion on FM? He has immaculate control of his mouse and an extremely steady hand. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out he was cheating; but I personally don't think he cheats.
You were correct btw. You read that idiot like a book. He said that i actually “exposed” fatmagic of silent aim with his POV of his sniper shot in the end lmao
Fatmagic should take it as a compliment that he's genuinely so good that people don't believe a human being is physically capable of doing what he does.
14:56 Wait really? Holy shit he actually did! I remember seeing a video that showed a lot of clips of people making sniper shots that were very similar to the ones Fatmagic made (he was showing them to say that those kinds of shots are normal for snipers to make) and I very specifically thought "I bet Venusian is gonna double down and start calling all these other people cheaters as well." and he really is starting to do that! He has actually decided that going to war with the TF2 community and just calling every TF2ber who plays sniper a cheater is a better option then admitting he doesn't understand the game's fundamental mechanics.
The wall aimbot is literally just flicking and accidentally aiming directly on a player. How many hours does fatmagic have on tf2? Grab 100 hours of video footage from anyone, even a noob (that actually tries), and you would see this happening a handful of times.
@@grimtygranule5125 Clientside ESP has nothing that contradicts my argument. Edit: Also, do you think that when I said "see", that I meant you would see the esp?
Glad somebody else realized how aggressive and manipulative Ven was being. And it wasnt just to the audience, but the people supposed to be backing him up too
When the whole cheating conversation began, I was really worried because I’ve always liked Fatmagic’s videos. However, after seeing who started it all with that one video, I’ve pretty much dropped it all. Take a look at that guy’s other videos, he’s a veteran winger/complainer.
Bro I have gotten so many headshots I know I didn't deserve it's insane. Tf2 is old and the hit boxes are wacky. There are countless clips where Fatmagic could have made the shot and misses and there are also clips where he's baffled he even made some shots too. Fatmagic is just good at the game and this dude is so mad at that fact, he put together a patchy ass "investigation" to prove his point and came out making his accusations look even worse He definitely got dominated by the boss baby in a match and wanted revenge
27:19 "Because oh boy.. Is there more terrible sh#$ that this person has done OH BOY there is more..." Nobody could guess what was this about untill the full story about him came out... Jesus christ, how i didn't see that?
Late or not, it’s good that you covered this, I feel like you took a more netural approach (as in other bias) which makes me happy, god bless you vorobey.
Даже я, овощ с тремя сотнями часов на снайпере делаю периодически такие же действия и выстрелы, за которые fatmagic'а обвинили. Мне иногда кажется, что люди в порыве за хайпом не могут трезво оценить действия противника и понять, что это самые, что ни на есть, легитные действия. С упрёка за ESP я вообще выпал. Играю на 2fort в течение 5-6-ти лет и я могу из любой точки карты нацелиться по памяти так, чтобы смотреть на какую-нибудь позицию, где по-любому может оказаться случайный игрок (просто потому что заучил за столько лет каждый угол карты). Плюсом подозрения на silent aim - игра настолько иногда рандомная и лагучая, что не может прямое попадание в голову зарегать, а иногда может и вовсе зарегать попадание туда, куда его не было (просто воля рандома и удачного случая).
@@catmaksimus становится смешнее с того , что а)venusian все время делал кликбейтные видео где он ведет себя как полный токсян , а потом выстовлял себя героем б)на него тоже сделали видео аля "читерит ли он",видос вышел куда информативней и правдивей venusian в ответ простт написал "хаха лол смешно". Стоит отметить , что много людей упоминают то venusian часто встречался в других комьюнити....где он тоже всех поносил и устраивовал срачи. Venusian достаточно жалкая персона
Venushawnn came back after privat-ing his YT channel and now plays the "well, actually you see I'm just trolling! haha! fools!" - biggest coping I've seen after his shenanigans backfired.
I forgot the term but it’s similar to schrodinger's cat. Schrodinger something but the term is do something and respond with A or B depending on the response of the people who see it. “Yeah he’s cheating” “Thank you” “This evidence sucks” “I’m just trolling”
@@theghosttm8245 The term is Schrödinger's Douchebag, with the typical format being the person expressing a sincerely held shitty opinion, and then claiming it was just a joke if people get mad at them.
@@LukaZibar it made sense in my head when i typed it, rereading it i also have no clue what i was saying. i think it was supposed to be two seperate replies to different comments or something like the part after the colon was what the hackusater was saying? i have no clue what i was even thinking
Hey, I wanna let you know that after not playing the game since 2018, your video of pistol engineer appeared in my feed couple of weeks ago and since that day, not only I subscribed to your channel, I also redownloaded the game, so thank you. Edit : Im godawfull now lol but I managed to tilt a sniper main by using Sydney Sleeper
I am really glad you came into this case with your two cents and even better you nicely and clearly explained all the hackusations with clear data and discoveries.
Yes Fatmagic Cheats, According to Fatmagic lore, he has aimbot installed in his blood with the aid of eating donairs. the only difference its a hardware cheat instead of lmaobox or nullcore
Fatmagic is a piece of cake himself to begin with, that's what is more infuriating, the guy just plays the game and have fun, didn't even tryhard, didn't even insult, in every single video he chokes laughing and that's the realness i feel from him, one person that after years of playing still enjoying the game. Cheaters just enjoy cheating, they doesn't enjoy the game, and it's an error calling them "Hackers", hackers are the ones behind the coding of the software used by the cheaters, this ones are just some boring ass persons who only wants to ruin the game experience to others, and that isn't the vibe get from fatmagic, in fact, if you watch half a video you'll see the exact opposite. Thank you for making this video voro, that moustache looks sexy on you btw.
I played against this dude in Skial Harvest, killed them multiple times on demoknight. Sometimes out in the open in their sightline, definitely don't think they are cheating then.
Bruh I thought this knowledge about TF2 lag compensation and weird bullet holes and wounds on player model were common knowledge. What did these geniuses start playing yesterday?
I think the reason Fatmagic's crosshair does a snap in the "for fatmagic's fans" clip is because spectator cameras use wider grids than actual gameplay (a grid is something servers use to determine where sniper scopes and the crosshair should be, it's more noticeable if you set your mouse sensitivity extremely high, go too high and the grid is so wide the only places you can look are directly up and directly down)
Ok this is an interesting video, Ive heard a lot about fatmagic and I’ve seen some of his videos. Ive hear positive things about him and negative things. Im not hating on fatmagic on any way, Ive been waiting for a video like this for awhile too see the truth or maybe an opinion.
Looking back, I realize how you and the people helping you really saved fatmagic. If it weren't for y'all I feel like he would've been in a worse situation or even would've leave youtube and VR would've got away with everything he's done. I really respect you Vorobey and how you debunk VR's half-assed claims and we need more people like you to reveal who's the true bad guy. Goated TF2tuber man
Hello @Vorobey! An additional point to the spy on the roof is that hitboxes (from what I know, though I'm not 100%) become extremely janky on surfaces like that. In El Maxo's video with 1000 sniper kills and no headshots, the same hitbox bug happens with 2Fort's middle bridge's roof. It seems like a reused asset, leading me to believe the same is happening there as well.
I feel like one small thing worth noting since I've been watching fatmagic for a while is that in his older videos, when he just uploaded clips of his match without saying a word, he landed more headshots. He started missing more after he started talking, and you can even see in some of his newer ones that he has better aim during sections where he doesn't talk, because it lets him focus more on the match than being entertaining. If he truly was aimbotting, even using a bad one that intentionally misses sometimes to be less suspicious, it should be consistent throughout.
dont blame fat magic or the framerate, blame tf2 hit registration lmao, i sometime sprayed the mini gun with blood clearly spawning on the scout's body, and he didnt take a single damage
Watched Fatmagics first twitch stream, man popped off and there was absolutely nothing that would make anyone believe he was cheating. I agree with everything you stated, but honestly i think he's just good and that bothers people for some reason.
What made me realise that VenusianRapper is talking bs is that clip with the spy where FatMagic scored a headshot even though his aim was no where near the head because it reminded me of one section in How it Feels to Play Sniper by Lazy Purple where he scored a headshot on someone but because of how fast his mouse was, the immediate frames before and after the shot wasn’t even on his target.
Everytime I see your videos I wonder how you can hit all those shots and how you can explain clips like these ones. Youre great at the game Voro, and you are like a TF2 scientist. Plus every time someone accusses you of something or someone starts cheating, you absolutely destroy them beyond the power of Thano's snap... Keep it up...
Actually Venusian said he is dad now. I have no idea how such pathetic dude fucked but I don't really see why he would lie about it especially with how happy he was.
![THE MOST TOXIC CHEATER I'VE EVER SEEN! [TF2 Hacker Police]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-yAagRnFqpw/mqdefault.jpg)
*UPD: The "Nitro cheat" chat message is now CONFIRMED to be fake.* The person faking the message confessed themselves that it had been faked intentionally. Venusian knew it was fake from the beginning, yet he decided to use false evidence in his video: media.discordapp.net/attachments/988018375659769898/1019559475658625044/12312313223.PNG
As for other clips, the cheaters that worked with Venusian *have agreed on being wrong about their claims.* Almost all the clips were gathered by a person named JadedRoses, who has accepted the fact that their evidence has been debunked by this video.
DISCORD: discord.gg/EMZhDXV
TWITCH: twitch.tv/vorobey69
Damn
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Bro, Vorobey, youre the GOAT
Ngl you teached me mors in this vidoe then my I.C.T teacher
The problem isn't Fatmagic, it's how Sniper is designed.
You want elaboration?
Fatmagic isn't a cheater. He's much worse: A player who's perfected playing sniper to the point it makes playing on any map with open spaces a pure nightmare to play on.
I'm not sure about it being worse, but it is pretty bad.
@@creeperizak8971 who wants some numbing agent? -Dr. Large
I usually try to go scorch shot to "counter" a good sniper. But then again the darwin shield exist, good time
adding sniper to tf2 and its consequences have been a disaster for playing any game normally
thats why i sometimes hate upward
Cheaters: "Fatmagic hacks, we have proofs!"
Valve's Hitreg: "The fuck you don't."
This comment said the truth
@@wildweasel175 I swear to God, Valve's hitreg is one of the best way to have yourself be called a cheater.
I swear vavle hitreg really wanted you be falsely accused of stuff
@@impracticalnuke I mean I really don't like fatmagic, but my god the amount of times I felt bad for the enemy I was aiming at when my sydney sleeper darts slammed into a wall right next to him and still jarate'd him is just absurd lmao
@@theshermantanker7043 Valve hitreg is one magical hitreg.
That clip where VR accuses Fatmagic of wallhacks is especially stupid since that's a common goddamn sniper position. Fatmagic didn't even need to see him a few seconds earlier, there's spots where you always half expect a sniper to be and can preaim accordingly. Hell it's not even just a common sniper spot, it's a common spot for people to be in general when the cart is in that area.
This clip is by far the dumbest accusation attempt ever
Way I see it is more that he no doubt moved his mouse really quick around the corner and that Pyro was backing up into it at that moment. Because in that same frame the little dot then overblew the Pyro. An aimbot no doubt would've in a single second took both of them without even a reload animation. I see people do that to me a lot because I am not aware of my surroundings.
Every sniper cheats on 2Fort when they pre-aim next to those fences on the 2nd floor.
he might be trying to appear as legit by playing normally
@@somerandomdragon4655 you’re still trying?
For the longest time, I'd always thought that Valve should port the Overwatch system that they use in CS:GO (a volunteer program where regular players can watch demos of reported matches and vote on whether they think the person is cheating or not - with enough convictions awarding them with a matchmaking ban) over to TF2 for our community to use to mitigate the uselessness of VAC. But after seeing how many people actually believe that Fatmagic is cheating, I've changed my mind. Way too many TF2 players have no idea how this game actually works for an Overwatch system to be effective. Anyone who has played for more than a few hundred hours should be able to recognize that hit registration in TF2 is garbage, and slightly offset crosshair placement should honestly never be used as concrete evidence for cheating. But apparently not. Appreciate the amount of work that went into this video.
Also, it's worth noting that just because a cheater confirms an accusation when it's not based on cheating software functionality, it doesn't mean much. The majority of cheaters simply don't play TF2 the way it's intended to be played. I was once accused by a long-time cheater of using Silent Aim because they saw a clip where I did damage when my crosshair was not on a player. What they failed to see was that my sentry gun was doing the damage. Cheaters cheat because they are bad at the game. So they are not exactly the best source of information when it comes to the functionality of TF2. Not to mention, most of them never pass up an opportunity for a few scraps of attention on UA-cam. Something to keep in mind.
Lol this video is catching some attention
And then he said "Engineer gaming"
cheaters accusing other people of cheating and still being wrong
Jokes aside, you're absolutely correct. Any sort of player-based anticheat would have the same result as what Fatmagic experiences on a day to day basis. False accusations, and therefore false kicks/bans.
Correct
I ran into VenusianRapper in casual yesterday. Was playing spy and got a couple nice trickstabs. He would use the bind "bad paste" whenever he killed me. I was really confused bc I still don't get what that means, and because I hadn't even killed him that game, much less pulled any trickstabs on him; I even failed easy stabs on him several times. The moment I got autobalanced to his team, he said in VC "go get 'em with your autobackstab". I didn't know it was him until I read his profile. Seems like he just likes to randomly accuse people.
LOL ironic if true since he is a closet himself.
btw “paste” means that “your cheat” was pasted. That it’s garbage
@@Vorobey69 Oh lmao, see I didn't even think of that because I didn't know you could just paste cheats...
Thanks for the cool video, I learned a lot about hitscan weapon hit detection.
His videos are literally juat attacking people and hoping he FINDS a cheater through all the fake accusations. Hes a shit human being
@@bobth6095 ye its an expression meaning whoever coded it just ripped the code from a larger more complete cheat, resulting in a cheap worse copy
paste is an extremely common term in cheating and hvh community. it boils down to the meaning that the cheat you are using was using code that the dev just copied and pasted into their own. obviously, that is both stealing and results in reduced quality of the cheat since it wasn't made by themselves and might be from a less quality cheat. and if he's saying you're using a bad paste, why is he getting mad over it lol
It's obvious that he isn't a cheater because he's always happy in his videos. Cheaters are sad angry people, they wouldn't shine the genuine joy that Fatmagic does
I mean I dont think this guy cheats but this reason is legitimately retarded
Trueeee
Cheaters are mostly toxic racist people
I'd say it depends on the cheater. I've met a few who are cool, including Xarq0n, who is one of the coolest cheaters I've seen in any game, prioritizing fun over everything else.
However, many cheaters are as negative as you describe.
I remember cheating in mc pocket edition like on 2016...
I only ended up flying and letting the most noob players alive to fight for their lives, while they saw me flying... if they entertained me i let the winner actually win
Shameless attention seekers don’t understand that there always will be a person can debunk their hoaxes. Awesome job, Voro.
Oh it's you sick!
Meep
DEWILL!
I bet he's gonna make a video on you next
Yea but you’ll never get rid of those kind of people.
So now that this video is out, I would love to give an actual response to any potential questions anyone may have about any of the clips. I will start with some questions I get asked the most
- Why did you not respond to the initial evidence?
Because the evidence is laughable, shows no knowledge of the game or basic fps mechanics, and was created by a joke of a personality human being, so I did not want to feed into dumb drama or converse with an idiot
You however, I would love to discuss literally anything you think is suspicious by me and actually have a real conversation about it! Whether it be here or over a call, or even in a vid idk
Your video is well researched, knowledgeable and I appreciate you covering this. (Though I think it''s funny that you said you were researching me before the allegations haha)
- Why was your aim better before?
The reason I am rustier now is because I don't play as much as I used to. When I was in highschool and working at Domino's, I could easily log 80+ hours /2weeks. Now that this is my job, my time is split between Editing, Recording, playing other classes, Life stuff etc. In fact, there was a time where I only logged 15 hrs in 2 weeks for several months straight. (Though I am adding an aiming regimen to my schedule to make sure that not only do I get back to how I was, but get even better. I talk about it in some of my vids. I would like to go professional one day) Stay tuned for some sick games coming up on the channel!
Also all the triggerbot evidence I see is either me wanting to line up a shot for an assured kill, charging up dmg for a shot, or just being indecisive
Omg! Its Gordo magico!
Honestly, a lot of players could be cheaters based on venussian's logic. He grabs one "suspicious" clip from an hours long play session and try to use it as evidence.
Context is really important, if you have one suspicious shot and 100 normal looking, you can very confidently call it luck or coincidence.
If you think about it, everyone could be using trigger bot if his logic applied to everyone. I only have around 400 hours in the game, and there are plenty of times where I have no clue how I hit a very unlikely shot.
Anyways, good luck, and I hope venussian's stuff didn't dirty up your name too much. Cya
hello
Yeah it's almost like you played the game for an extended period of time might have a little bit of game seance and just understand fundamental things about the classes
I think it's hilarious that the only triggerbot "evidence" is not making some shots. Wish Vorobey wasn't all "he could be or he couldn't be" when there's no evidence for the claim at all.
People also like to forget that the average 15 minute gameplay video is made from multiple hours of footage with the fun parts cherry picked. And fatmagic doesn't even cherry pick _that_ much either, half of his videos are him _missing_ these crazy flicks.
I find myself replacing not only boots, but the dash item as well. It lets me get another accessory for survival (paladin's shield) or damage (destroyer emblem).
Edit: wait what, i swear i posted this reply on a terraria video.
@@arttheart130 bruh moment
@@potato927 It truly is one
@@arttheart130 i swear youtube has been mixing up vid data way more in the past month than ever before
@@arttheart130man the second I got the Cthulhu’s shield I couldn’t stop playing with a dash unless using fishron mount
Even if Fartmagic does end up cheating, Venushawn's case was so flawed that it might end up aiding Fatmagic if ever because of how sloppy, unreliable, and far fetched the "evidence" is.
im glad venusians back now i can watch him and bigb start drama with eachother
'Fartmagic'💀
Fart magic
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I have also successfully debunked that you don't have a real moustache, confess Vorobey.
Lies.
@@Vorobey69 Creating my anti-vorobey video rn, get ready to lose 101 subs. (I’m quite popular)
Holy shit. This must mean Vorobey cheats irl!
Idk man, as a mustache haver myself, I'm thinkin he's legit.
@@ihap5180 ayo send link.
One of the things that annoyed me the most with this guy's original video accusing Fat Magic of cheating is the ending to it when he cited the fable of Icarus. Out of everything, it was the most annoying because it perfectly summarized the rest of his video: excessive fart huffing while thinking he knows more than he actual does. If he wanted to do real research, he should've started by looking up "confirmation bias" and "Dunning-Kruger."
He had such an air of self righteousness and superiority in the entire video, talking down to people like he knows everything and was the objectively moral party. While he’s just spouting speculation that he claims to be fact because it helps him take a jab at someone he doesn’t like lmao. The video gave me a few good laughs from his behavior lol
What superiority complex does to a mfer
I hate both voro and vanusuan
Icarus, really? What a pretentious twat.
For those wondering what the dubbing Kruger affect is, basically imagine height is how smart you FEEL and length how smart you ARE and this is the graph |\-__-/
this whole drama is like the biggest compliment to a gamer
i envy fatmagic
He even said that himself in one of his videos. I think it was when he was impersonating bots
Funny because he actually made videos pretending to be a bot. Where he looks up everytime he hits an headshot. in spectate pov its looks sus for them, and he did end up getting kicked a lot
dont envy my friend
or you will be envied
or thats how they say it
Imagine being so damn good at the game that even people think you're using cheats...
don't get me wrong I got kicked couple of times but being in this big accusation that splits people to two due to how good you are is a sick compliment can't lie.
12:39 God forbid you pre-aim in a _very well known_ choke point on the map. People like this are just ridiculous.
Only robots can think more than 5 seconds ahead.
Its crazy to remember that venusianrapper destroyed himself just because lf terrible evidence for fatmagic
Yknow the scene in BB where Walt and Jesse are threatening Saul in masks and he starts shouting about unrelated shit? "It was Ignacio! It was Ignacio!" And Walt and Jesse are left confused as to what shit he had gotten himself in?
Thats basically the dumb shit Venusian pulled when he commented about His ex messaging Voro.
@@jameshibberd5134 I haven't watched breaking bad
People are still trying to defend Venusian, when he HIMESELF fled the community after being demolished by facts and logic? I mean damn, didn’t think this many people had -100 IQ.
Ted Bundy had his own lady pen pals.
Never underestimate a psychopath's ability to manipulate the weak of mind.
Like you said at 10:37, that clip from the Vorobey guy was pretty suspicious. You should do a hacker police episode on him
i hate vorobey i hope vorobske EXPOSES HIM for all the wrong things he has done!
@@outlastcopexd130 no u
We have investigated ourselves and we found that we did nothing wrong
@@unclekanethetiberiummain1994 he did do something wrong! he has a fake mustache
venusian did expose someone tho. not fatmagic. venusian exposed an entire underground of clowns that search up dirt on legit good players to make them look like cheaters meanwhile secretly washing their hands off from their actual cheating garbage. 10/10 fun video!
Even if Fatmagic cheats, Venusian is probably too jealous since he can’t even hide his cheats in his videos as well as Fatmagic does.
Because the evidence i gathered on Venusian will be too embarrassing
@@Vorobey69 i dont care about the cheating fiasco i am more infuriated about these people saying they're the good guys but act like literal jerks. kinda like the newer hero tropes in hollywood movies now like hell
@@itsjustaclint8404 The Boys in a nutshell basically
@@itsjustaclint8404 They are trying so hard to shove their evidence down everyone's throats and basically harassing anyone who disagrees
This is literally a "How NOT to make an exposed video" moment
@@Vorobey69 I can't even be surprised that there's more to this after everyone dug up his past and found out who he actually is.
As someone with over 5000 hours in TF2 and multiple years of competitive play in 6v6 and 9v9, my leaning in this debate is that Fatmagic doesn't cheat. As a captain of a team it's my job to not only spectate my own team but also watch match reviews and gameplay of the opposing teams. I've seen, what I thought at the time was, some sketchy sniping, but as I continued to gain experience in the game and also learning more about FPS, sever delay, lag compensation, and frame rates, a lot of "sketchy" behavior can come down to the desynch between those issues, and also issues with the server as well as how things are seen in spectate. While I think it's good to keep an open mind, I'd still cast my vote in support of Fatmagic not using any sort of hack, but I'm also open to the possibility of it seeing as the lines of a really good sniper and someone using a hack can be blurred fairly easily.
I'm always a person whom is VERY hesitant to call hacks, and I tend to not call cheats unless there is genuinely something sketchy going on
@@nexusthenormie5578 are you kidding me? Up until a few months ago 2/3 of the playerbase was hacking bots. How could you not see hacks around every fucking corner when it is so easy to do? Especially for dirty fucking sniper mains.
@@nexusthenormie5578 its a fifteen year old game with a source code leak and a well established cheating scene. Theres cheats everywhere you look.
@@John_Smith_Dumfugg I think he meant calling hacks on actual people that aren’t bots and aren’t blatantly hacking and not trying to hide it. He also probably means just in general, not just TF2 lol.
@@Confy__ anyone who's even a little suspect i vote to kick. And the nice thing about being infested with bots for so long is people usually F1 without hesitation. Worst case scenario, some 10,000 hour sniper main named Gregor has to find a different server. Boohoo.
triggerbot seems like the only valid accusation for fatmagic, but it can also apply to any professional player of any game since you know when you're going to click more than anyone else does
I never actually once accused Fatmagic to be a cheater of any kind, some people are just built differently than others and unfortunately, its not uncommon to have rare talent be called a bluff by people who cant or wont strive that far.
Some players are just good at aiming when I see his gameplay he has good tracking one of the parts of sniper but he still misses or screws up plus predictions exists he just seems a good player
Cod for example. Them 360 mlg headshots and quick snipes are inhuman.
"I'm built different-"
Nah dawg you just fat
The thing is he's just a pub stomper no disrespect to him but any season highlander sniper is better then him and way more consistent. The point is he's not that insane of a sniper.
@@obad7633 they do feel a bit cherry picked also yeah I’ve sern better snipers”I forgot their name” but they were a good sniper
I keep laughing at the fact that pre-aiming places where you KNOW snipers are going to be means that it HAS to be walls, especially that FatMagic was in a sniper fight at that moment
Bravo venusian you really showed us back then bravo
Another great video Markiplier!
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I'm a staff member on a TF2 server. I can say with certainty that Venusian doesn't know the first thing about detecting a cheater. In his final hard evidence section where he shows the snap, I would have thought "Wow, that's suspicious and looked liked cheats!" but I wouldn't ban based on one clip like that, no good staff member would unless it is blatant enough, which this clip isn't. What you should look for when spectating a suspected cheater is consistent patterns, if that snap happened over and over, it would be a lot more suspicious, but you can see in the clip that right after the flick shot, he goes to shoot someone else and MISSES THE SHOT. Looking at one clip out of a single play session isn't enough to determine someone a cheater most of the time, and slapping these suspicious clips from several sessions together and saying "Look he's cheating!" is disingenuous and misleading.
As a staff member and sniper main i get those insane flicks on heads only difference is that he has more experience and controls his aim and muscle memory more. In general Fatmagic is very capable sniper then rest of the sniper mains including me. Its not cheating its simply experience Spotting cheater its not hard. Spotting those patterns and movement isn't hard only thing you need is a common sense and experience to spot it.
@@despe954 I feel it also depends on the way you are thinking about someone when looking for cheats. If you are confident someone is cheating before you gather the evidence, then whatever evidence you do have will be heavily biased. Being able to break out of that thought process and look at suspected cheaters more objectively is key when trying to spot them. This objectivity is what Venusian clearly lacks.
Yeah I’ve said this multiple times, if FatMagic was a cheater: he is the shittiest cheater ever, he misses quite a lot, I’ll be watching his videos and notice several streaks of just missing shots.
When update
@@VentA_7 which is more than fair. If you see the vods of prem/invite snipers they miss quite some shots and they have games when they perform horribly. It happens sometimes
Another point for 12:36. This is literally the most common spot for snipers on 2nd point. Even questioning ESP here is weird unless the red sniper was hiding in the platform on the right next to the track and he pre aimed that without his team even shooting there or seeing it on a kill cam.
Yeah. There is a 98% chance a sniper is scoped there just like on last on the spawn shutter. You just have to play the game enough. Hell I main medic and I know most snipers spots on most maps to avoid them sightlines.
@@lyell63 to be honest medic is like THE class (aside from snoipah) where knowing popular sightlines is important so you dont fucking die instantly and lose all your uber and let nearby people die bc u can't heal them
Sniper shoot gun
"The Fatmagic cheats" video started the biggest butterfly effect in the whole TF2 community
I love how in terms of Vorobey's lore, he treats it like Officer Vorobski and Vorobey are two separate people, which makes it all the more entertaining to watch
Vorobey lore video when?
Vorobey cinematic universe has begun
But he did a goof up and called it "in my video" once in the video lol
@@janreiafrica He accidentally revealed his secret identity
@@janreiafrica Come on bro, don't nitpick on such things haha, we can let it slide since the amount of work he did is astonishing
its so obvious that he was just charging his rifle in the "triggerbot" clips. All those clips include a kunai spy with hp particles around him. Means he probably won't die from a quickscope.
In conclusion, he mains sniper.
I like this video.
Mönkey! Didnt expect to see you here, its pretty accurate tho
Te amo monkey
@@Vaughn0292 que isso meu filho calma
In conclusion, you main demo.
I like this guy.
Venusian and his fans will surely go: "we were just pretending lmao baited we did it"
Good Lord I saw every nook and cranny of some vids of venusianrapper I swear to god I have never felt more genuine hate so much for this guy
Honestly what do you mean by fans? Man has jackshit of subscribers lmfao
I hate vorobey for his discord friends trying to harm a minor, one of my friends
None of them are good people
Shut up.
I was on the side of fatmagic not being a cheater because his gameplay first looks real and in general has a good aim even when not aiming on heads specifically and even good sound/placement knowledge so I was very confident that fatmagic was not cheating. Now that I know about the client vs server hit registration, I'm even more convinced he isn't cheating. However I can never be 100% sure he isn't cheating because it's really hard to compare a cheater using a triggerbot and a player that spent years improving his aim like you said.
I guess the only way you can 100% prove he isn't cheating is driving to his mountain house surrounded by foxes and watch him play without him knowing. When he is done recording, you break his window pin him on the ground and scan his computer for any traces of used cheats clients. Now you have to run away because when he is angry, he will melee crit you.
Fortunately, the BLU Eyelander Demoknight that has four times the score as second place and eighteen more points than all of RED combined is gonna help you afterthefact.
@@gamerdomain6618 That's only if Fatmagic doesn't get a good panic shot on the eyelandeer demo's head first.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639
Actually, since he's been in his home gaming for over an hour, even if he does quickscope one of you, his crit bucket is empty, so he only has a 15% chance of critting instead of a 45%-60% chance. So just kill him while he reloads his rifle.
from what i saw as well it looks like the charge meter refreshes faster then the ammo count making it easy to see the frame or frames around where the shot was taken meaning that if the sniper firing has any noticeable charge meter you can identify by when the charge meter resets to confirm when the shot was taken
Finally a video that goes into details of how the game works! And also with an "answer" to the drama: Fatmagic could be using triggerbot but there is no concrete evidence of him cheating so under the premise "Innocent until proven guilty " he is innocent. Though with how triggerbot works unfortunately any good sniper can be suspected for using it. Despite the fact that both FM and Vorobey talk very poorly about cheaters there is still a possibility that they are using triggerbot as it is extremely hard to notice especially for an average viewer like myself.
Thank you for the investigation. Looking forward to the next video on VenusianRapper!
Something I've noticed about cheaters is that they always eventually slip up or, when they stop cheating, are shown to really suck. Fatmagic can do well on any class and has demonstrated good gamesense and control in a variety of situations. He's just a good player when he wants to be, even if he's intentionally goofing around. I don't know why people obsess over this sort of thing rather than just enjoying his content or ignoring it.
i have abou 20k hours in a lot of different shooter games and i can tell you voro doesnt cheat, his crosshair movement is completely legit and if he was using triggerbot it would sometimes go off accidentily when someone runs through his crosshair unexpectedly. if someone at that skill level would use triggerbot, they would basically never miss a shot. and his prediction shots with projectile weapons are just as good as his aim with hitscan weapons. not cheating. just a russian guy with amazing gamesense, reaction time and hand eye coordination.
" Though with how triggerbot works unfortunately any good sniper can be suspected for using it."
yeah, this has been haunting me since i saw this video lol
@@datbaldboy It's been haunting me since 2016 when I learn how it works. At least back then we had ban waves that took care of many closed cheaters
Triggerbot is apparent in Fatmagic's aiming style. Venusian had a point where Fatmagic didn't use to do "driveby" headshots in his older vids, when now he does. I believe Fatmagic uses triggerbot to just consistently get good footage to upload.
I love how half of the people accusing him of cheating have either cheated themselves, or are working with cheaters, it's so ironic lmaoooo
Ive only cheated on tf2 once...and that was with a offline lobby full of bots
I get what you're saying, but it makes sense that they did. Cheaters have experience with the software and can offer valuable insight into what does and does not seem legit. Yes, their credibility may be lowered, but I support the practice.
Tbh being a prior cheater means you have experience
Or at least you should
@@loonybin3751 ok but these guys obviously have no idea what they’re talking about is the main point. Lol
@@loonybin3751 ok but anyone can just name themself "Cheater" and pretend to know what they're talking about
"hmmm yes the hitbox slaps yo the cracker jack pie and i have used that so he is DEFINITELY hacking"
Well put together
Lot better than my vid tbh
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Hello @@mewhenthe_
Hello @@mewhenthe_
I was on the fence about the whole thing, I wasn't sure, actually I was even leaning slightly towards fatmagic cheating, but your research and video in general were amazing and objective. Great work man, truly. It makes no difference to me, I don't even watch fatmagic's content, but it sucks to have your name dragged through the mud like that. Officer Vorobsky never misses his mark it seems.
Bro, if you even watched the venusiasion rapper dude, youd realize how much of an attention seeking loser he is. His videos is literal starting shit with people just playing the game. He occasionally catches cheaters, but him and his friends are fucking cringe as hell
"I don't even watch fatmagic's content"
"I was even leaning slightly towards fatmagic cheating"
Twitter syndrome lmao
You don't even watch fatmagic yet you were leaning slightly towards fatmagic cheating. Why?
@@jeffsh20 I mean if he doesn't watch fatmagics content he's obviously going to think he's cheating because he has no idea who he is
He just knows that he's either really good or a closet cheater (we all know the answer though)
@@tylerlackey1175 Venusian made like 4 videos on him, + some other people reacted to it and gave their opinions, I don't know what's so hard to understand? I knew that fatmagic exists, and that he plays tf2, but I don't watch his vids. Twitter syndrome lmao. Ironically, I never used twitter in my life so I have no idea what you are even talking about there.
It took an hour and fifteen minutes to accuse Fatmagic of cheating.
This video is just twenty-eight minutes, and it does better at *actually explaining shit* than both of Venusian’s videos
Fatmagic ran over my dog on his unicycle and yelled out at me admitting he cheats in tf2. It’s so sad we let this behavior go unpunished in our community 😢
Thats too silly story to be true lol
@@TotallyNotSnowy.it’s true, he cheats in tf2 and runs people over. 😭😔😔😔
@@yourmothergaming9248 wah
funny, would be funnier with a tricycle instead of a unicycle
I love the over exatarated use of sarcasm in the internet.
I also flick like a madman sometimes and it can look like if I was cheating. Also hitboxes are so freaking weird and lag compensation... You cannot say if someone's cheating just by watching footage, the best way to tell if someone is cheating is playing against him. It's so ez to know that way...
I'm surprised that you got so technical and never mentioned shounic. A lot of things you mentioned regarding lag and hitboxes were explained on his channel.
Honestly
This was explained not only by shounic but by some people long time ago on TF2 forums, reddit, etc. It's nothing new, but I guess tickrate, client based particles, server lag are extremely difficult topics for a lot of people so this info is easily forgetable.
Exactly! I was so annoyed that nobody in the whole video even mentioned ghost hitboxes!! Valve's lag compensation is 'very generous', so to speak, and shooting where the player _used_ to be a few milliseconds earlier almost always counts as a hit
@@SunnyWave69 people remember Shounic's explanation because he is an amazing presenter.
Waiting for the;
"Hur dur 0-5 im winning" response video from the "totallynotapedo" venusian.
so i'm just say this, even if VenusianRapper is the worst human on the face of the earth i'll still watch him because it's funny to see a grow man scream about a 15 year old game and how he's smarter then children
Meanwhile said manchild has the mental capacity of a 2 year old who has an IQ of room temperature.
I mean, at least you're honest about it and self-aware about why you watch him lol.
Can't hate on that, you're not bitch-made, you're a full man.
would you still watch him?
@@MonLyica nah, i stopped because of vorobey's newest video on him. Really didn't think the guy was the worst
You do you I guess. Me personally I think he is one of the most insufferable, despiseable, pieces of absolute horseshit I've ever seen, he is horrific and genuinely evil
Shounic does videos on mechanics in tf2, practically laying bare the raw data to do so, and they solidly explain away much if not all of the potential jank in these “fatmagic cheats” clips, just indirectly. But the tick rate and spectator thing is new. Vorobey did a phenomenal job actually doing his research here
Смотреть твои расследования - одно удовольствие!
Благодарю, что подходишь к делу настолько по-мастерски :)
So the Fatmagic aim drama is basically still up in the air when it comes to a definitive answer, but in the process we've got some *much* more spicy drama with Venusian coming up.
"up in the air" 💀
@@underscore_4231 i can smell it
@@underscore_4231 there is always the possibility he cheats. But the information being provided is so vague and poorly executed, and since many of us operate on (the correct idea of) Innocent until proven guilty: most of us will not think of him as a cheater
@@VentA_7 i was reffering to the "up in the air" thing as an accidental joke
like fatmagic's aim
what the fuck?
I always wonder what people enjoy about playing a video game with hacks... I just cannot imagine.
It's fun when u beat a toxic player and make him salty (but not making it too obvious).
@@earlraivengohetia7878 it is more fun if you beat someone legit
Depends single player you become a god of chaos multi-player you either wanna stick it to someone or you like making people angry
"The greatest award that you can give a Sniper Main is not of upmost praise and adoration, but of a server vac ban for cheating"
*_-Sun Tzu, The Art of Sniper_*
"I didn't say any of this shit" - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
@@SqwimpyTF "Yeah, but that clearly says 'The Art of Sniper', not 'The Art of War'."
-Sun Tzu, The Art of Sniper
This is quite honestly the best way to tell someone their good at TF2
Not the best, but very appreciative, even if you get minor aggression towards you
jesus, is vorobey a lawyer or something? this was incredibly well put together
no, he's not.
oh i thought you were saying Jesus is Vorobey
vorobey is the saul goodman of tf2 comunity
better call vorobey
@@Someone-nn8nd “no, he’s not” 🤓
I think the worst part about their video is the cringe ace attorney music like that somehow makes his points seem stronger lol
is somehow supposed to make his points stronger*
I’ve been a big fan of fatmagic for a long time, the guy just chills out and has fun but is actually very decent at the game. Just let him make his content, it’s so funny and he’s genuinely good at tf2. Good vid man I’m agreeing with all u saying
Its just voro's opinion dude
I agree with voro I’m pissed at ppl trying to ‘expose’ fatmagic
@@thebrokensword5017 Agreed, guy was great at the game long before he committed to youtube and is overall just a chill TF2uber.
*He's so large*
@@thebrokensword5017 its free content for people to milk, in fact this issue regarding Fatmagic's hackusation was resolved a long time ago yet every once in a while we get tf2bers to bring it up again and low and behold Vorobey gets in to the fray mentioning what we already know, this is why tf2 content has been getting stale over time, people want to be excited over something rather than face the fact that the game itself will never be fixed and rid of the cheaters and bots no matter how hard we cry, the game isn't dead but its on life support and each day the community is getting closer and closer to pulling the plug and move on, its hard to get excited over the game when the community is just bringing up the past all the time with no prospect of the future of the game, the game will last but its in a steep decline
Venusian's the kinda guy where no matter what you say to debunk his claims, he's just gonna turn it around and say that you proved him right.
Clips of you shooting for the shoulders and hitting a hs? "Wow you're cheating! More proof for my case"
Clips of you landing what should be a perfect hs and missing entirely? "Wow nice silent miss!"
That's only the tiniest part of his gaslighting.
Anyway, what's your opinion on the whole case? I saw you commenting on venusian's video about Fatmagic
Felt all videos were a waste of my time. No actual evidence + Ven has called me and my legit friends cheaters when even I wasn't cheating so I sorta expected as much. He'd talked about exposing FM and showed me the pyro clip all the way back in 2020, but I thought he'd actually find solid proof of cheats before making an expose vid.
My personal opinion on FM? He has immaculate control of his mouse and an extremely steady hand. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out he was cheating; but I personally don't think he cheats.
You were correct btw. You read that idiot like a book.
He said that i actually “exposed” fatmagic of silent aim with his POV of his sniper shot in the end lmao
"silent miss" my godd only venus can come up with that shit
I thought "I" needed the sun, but it's clear that venusian needs to touch sunlight more than myself
Fatmagic should take it as a compliment that he's genuinely so good that people don't believe a human being is physically capable of doing what he does.
14:56 Wait really? Holy shit he actually did!
I remember seeing a video that showed a lot of clips of people making sniper shots that were very similar to the ones Fatmagic made (he was showing them to say that those kinds of shots are normal for snipers to make) and I very specifically thought "I bet Venusian is gonna double down and start calling all these other people cheaters as well." and he really is starting to do that!
He has actually decided that going to war with the TF2 community and just calling every TF2ber who plays sniper a cheater is a better option then admitting he doesn't understand the game's fundamental mechanics.
Cant wait for someone to make "is vorobey cheating?"
Pistol
@@marshall1093 the true aimbot
Voro can make a pro gamer move: Self-portrait.
Dude, I'm sure when Voro gets extremely popular someone will actually make it lmao
then "Vorobey 100% cheats"
The wall aimbot is literally just flicking and accidentally aiming directly on a player. How many hours does fatmagic have on tf2? Grab 100 hours of video footage from anyone, even a noob (that actually tries), and you would see this happening a handful of times.
looks like someone doesnt know about clientside ESP
@@grimtygranule5125 Clientside ESP has nothing that contradicts my argument.
Edit: Also, do you think that when I said "see", that I meant you would see the esp?
There’s a difference between exposing and just straight up attacking. People really do need to go out and touch grass, sometimes.
Grass is fucking nasty. It’s covered in pollen, fucking ants and it gets everywhere, ESPECIALLY CRABGRASS!!
Venusian rapper's entire youtube channel is attacking people. Occasionally he catches cheaters, but the guy's a loser
Ear
Ear
Glad somebody else realized how aggressive and manipulative Ven was being. And it wasnt just to the audience, but the people supposed to be backing him up too
as tobey maguire would say, I was looking through some old videos and yours look very.. similar..
nah jk cool stuff broski, keep it up
Hello max box, didn't expect you here!
Max Box moment
looks like i was manipulated, thank you for bringing me back from delusion
I was conflicted about the whole thing, because I don’t know much about detecting a cheater and thankfully this video kinda cleared it up for me.
When the whole cheating conversation began, I was really worried because I’ve always liked Fatmagic’s videos. However, after seeing who started it all with that one video, I’ve pretty much dropped it all. Take a look at that guy’s other videos, he’s a veteran winger/complainer.
He's also a veteran closet cheater as well.
It's clear now. Muselk absolutely cheats.
What about Hoovy Tube? OMG IS HE CHEATS TOO???!
No! It can't be! Noooooo!
AAAA WE ARE SCREWED!!!
Yeah he cheated, he cheated on the TF2 community as a whole for Overwatch and then cheated on Overwatch for Fortnite
Jerma cheats
Bro I have gotten so many headshots I know I didn't deserve it's insane. Tf2 is old and the hit boxes are wacky. There are countless clips where Fatmagic could have made the shot and misses and there are also clips where he's baffled he even made some shots too. Fatmagic is just good at the game and this dude is so mad at that fact, he put together a patchy ass "investigation" to prove his point and came out making his accusations look even worse
He definitely got dominated by the boss baby in a match and wanted revenge
27:19 "Because oh boy.. Is there more terrible sh#$ that this person has done OH BOY there is more..."
Nobody could guess what was this about untill the full story about him came out... Jesus christ, how i didn't see that?
I think you just destroyed the accusers ego for a few years.
This was very in depth and absolutely enjoyed the education from it.
Nah ppl like him usually have zero self reflection, might pump his ego even higher lol.
fatmagic has bad aimbot. thats why
@@wezz-t812 Reported for misinformation.
Nah he is coping hard and said that "Vorbey only shown that he is right about Fatmagic cheating".
@@Sasha_Prime it's an old inside joke bruh
Late or not, it’s good that you covered this, I feel like you took a more netural approach (as in other bias) which makes me happy, god bless you vorobey.
I like how they put fucking ace attorney music on like they’re phoenix wright cornering von karma
Даже я, овощ с тремя сотнями часов на снайпере делаю периодически такие же действия и выстрелы, за которые fatmagic'а обвинили. Мне иногда кажется, что люди в порыве за хайпом не могут трезво оценить действия противника и понять, что это самые, что ни на есть, легитные действия. С упрёка за ESP я вообще выпал. Играю на 2fort в течение 5-6-ти лет и я могу из любой точки карты нацелиться по памяти так, чтобы смотреть на какую-нибудь позицию, где по-любому может оказаться случайный игрок (просто потому что заучил за столько лет каждый угол карты). Плюсом подозрения на silent aim - игра настолько иногда рандомная и лагучая, что не может прямое попадание в голову зарегать, а иногда может и вовсе зарегать попадание туда, куда его не было (просто воля рандома и удачного случая).
Venusian хочет сорвать бабок с Ютуба воруя хайп FatMagic'a
Никогда не играл за снипу, и только пару недель назад начал играть почти что только за него. 90% моих удачных выстрелов такие же, как у Жирной Магии.
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Это тф2, детка!
@@catmaksimus становится смешнее с того , что а)venusian все время делал кликбейтные видео где он ведет себя как полный токсян , а потом выстовлял себя героем б)на него тоже сделали видео аля "читерит ли он",видос вышел куда информативней и правдивей venusian в ответ простт написал "хаха лол смешно". Стоит отметить , что много людей упоминают то venusian часто встречался в других комьюнити....где он тоже всех поносил и устраивовал срачи. Venusian достаточно жалкая персона
Venushawnn came back after privat-ing his YT channel and now plays the "well, actually you see I'm just trolling! haha! fools!" - biggest coping I've seen after his shenanigans backfired.
I forgot the term but it’s similar to schrodinger's cat. Schrodinger something but the term is do something and respond with A or B depending on the response of the people who see it.
“Yeah he’s cheating”
“Thank you”
“This evidence sucks”
“I’m just trolling”
@@theghosttm8245 The term is Schrödinger's Douchebag, with the typical format being the person expressing a sincerely held shitty opinion, and then claiming it was just a joke if people get mad at them.
@@CaptianKatsura Ah, thank you. That’s what I mean.
@@theghosttm8245 schrodinger's douchebag
Fatmagic when he headshots: CHEATER
Fatmagic when he misses: Triggerbot fail, failed silentaim
fatmagic when he can't play the game bc of all the hackusations: left after getting shit on lol bad js admit your a cheater
@@Chimpin_what?
@@LukaZibar it made sense in my head when i typed it, rereading it i also have no clue what i was saying. i think it was supposed to be two seperate replies to different comments or something like the part after the colon was what the hackusater was saying? i have no clue what i was even thinking
Hey, I wanna let you know that after not playing the game since 2018, your video of pistol engineer appeared in my feed couple of weeks ago and since that day, not only I subscribed to your channel, I also redownloaded the game, so thank you.
Edit : Im godawfull now lol but I managed to tilt a sniper main by using Sydney Sleeper
I am really glad you came into this case with your two cents and even better you nicely and clearly explained all the hackusations with clear data and discoveries.
Yes Fatmagic Cheats, According to Fatmagic lore, he has aimbot installed in his blood with the aid of eating donairs. the only difference its a hardware cheat instead of lmaobox or nullcore
lol
vorobey being the judge we need
He is just used to it, and he knows what his points should be.
Let's keep in mind he also streamed himself playing and played sniper LIVE lmao
Famous trackmania player riolu, did live streams of himself playing legit but he was eventually caught after years of cheating.
Yeah, I believe that FatMagic doesn't cheat but that's not much of a point.
That doesn't matter lol, cheats have anti-OBS options. It's literally the same if he records or streams, they're both invisible to OBS.
There’s an anti obs option that hides it from streams I think
Fatmagic is a piece of cake himself to begin with, that's what is more infuriating, the guy just plays the game and have fun, didn't even tryhard, didn't even insult, in every single video he chokes laughing and that's the realness i feel from him, one person that after years of playing still enjoying the game. Cheaters just enjoy cheating, they doesn't enjoy the game, and it's an error calling them "Hackers", hackers are the ones behind the coding of the software used by the cheaters, this ones are just some boring ass persons who only wants to ruin the game experience to others, and that isn't the vibe get from fatmagic, in fact, if you watch half a video you'll see the exact opposite. Thank you for making this video voro, that moustache looks sexy on you btw.
I played against this dude in Skial Harvest, killed them multiple times on demoknight. Sometimes out in the open in their sightline, definitely don't think they are cheating then.
Bruh I thought this knowledge about TF2 lag compensation and weird bullet holes and wounds on player model were common knowledge.
What did these geniuses start playing yesterday?
Yeah. I mean, even Lazypurple acknowledges it in his Heavy video; "Meet me on LAN, MuffinMan!"
I think the reason Fatmagic's crosshair does a snap in the "for fatmagic's fans" clip is because spectator cameras use wider grids than actual gameplay
(a grid is something servers use to determine where sniper scopes and the crosshair should be, it's more noticeable if you set your mouse sensitivity extremely high, go too high and the grid is so wide the only places you can look are directly up and directly down)
Ok this is an interesting video, Ive heard a lot about fatmagic and I’ve seen some of his videos. Ive hear positive things about him and negative things. Im not hating on fatmagic on any way, Ive been waiting for a video like this for awhile too see the truth or maybe an opinion.
Looking back, I realize how you and the people helping you really saved fatmagic. If it weren't for y'all I feel like he would've been in a worse situation or even would've leave youtube and VR would've got away with everything he's done. I really respect you Vorobey and how you debunk VR's half-assed claims and we need more people like you to reveal who's the true bad guy. Goated TF2tuber man
Venusian Rapper has been quiet since this dropped
I don't know enough words to describe how much I like Vorobey's content
All the accusations depended on tf2 not being made out of spaghetti and duct tape
Hello @Vorobey! An additional point to the spy on the roof is that hitboxes (from what I know, though I'm not 100%) become extremely janky on surfaces like that. In El Maxo's video with 1000 sniper kills and no headshots, the same hitbox bug happens with 2Fort's middle bridge's roof. It seems like a reused asset, leading me to believe the same is happening there as well.
I’m starting to believe that Fatmagic is beyond innocent. He already had a good gaming chair.
Ты вернул меня во времена Star_ и Jerma985, ты и есть новый Star_
I feel like one small thing worth noting since I've been watching fatmagic for a while is that in his older videos, when he just uploaded clips of his match without saying a word, he landed more headshots. He started missing more after he started talking, and you can even see in some of his newer ones that he has better aim during sections where he doesn't talk, because it lets him focus more on the match than being entertaining. If he truly was aimbotting, even using a bad one that intentionally misses sometimes to be less suspicious, it should be consistent throughout.
dont blame fat magic or the framerate, blame tf2 hit registration lmao, i sometime sprayed the mini gun with blood clearly spawning on the scout's body, and he didnt take a single damage
Watched Fatmagics first twitch stream, man popped off and there was absolutely nothing that would make anyone believe he was cheating. I agree with everything you stated, but honestly i think he's just good and that bothers people for some reason.
What made me realise that VenusianRapper is talking bs is that clip with the spy where FatMagic scored a headshot even though his aim was no where near the head because it reminded me of one section in How it Feels to Play Sniper by Lazy Purple where he scored a headshot on someone but because of how fast his mouse was, the immediate frames before and after the shot wasn’t even on his target.
Everytime I see your videos I wonder how you can hit all those shots and how you can explain clips like these ones. Youre great at the game Voro, and you are like a TF2 scientist. Plus every time someone accusses you of something or someone starts cheating, you absolutely destroy them beyond the power of Thano's snap... Keep it up...
A lot of this is technical, and complicated, tickmarks, lag compensation, and so much more. Kinda hurts.
This video aged like fine wine
This guy actually did the math, damn Voro respect to you man.
Voro is the #1 Russian TF2 youtuber ever to me, absolutely love these videos, can't wait for more of these in the future
I'm so glad to see a person more well versed in this topic go over this. Thank you for making this!
Remember guys,
fatmagic: has gf
venusian: lost his gf
instant win
Plot twist: fatmagic b@ngs Venusian ex gf to
@@Dante-nj1xp Now THAT'S funny!
@@Dante-nj1xpDAAAYYYYUUUMMM
Actually Venusian said he is dad now. I have no idea how such pathetic dude fucked but I don't really see why he would lie about it especially with how happy he was.
@@januszpolak254 I doubt he is telling the truth