@@sharjilmahir complexity is not equal to quality though. I think they both look like they have their merits and I will admit, I am much more familiar with chess, but both games are incredibly complex to the point where you don't really want them to be any more complex as it would make them less playable. For example those certain board games which are 64x64. Who wants to play that? Anyway, I wish the pieces in shogi were a bit more distinguishable because as a newcomer it can be hard to tell what is going on. Both games are very interesting though, but I feel like due to the more mainstream and global nature of chess that is where my heart lies. Of course there are people of all levels in both games, beginner to masters of the game, and I imagine it is as hard to master either one of the games due to the people trying to push the limits. For anyone who is more aware of shogi than me, I wonder if computers are having a growing role in the game like chess?
Today I played my very first Shogi game, against a computer of course lol then an hour or 2 later I ended up watching this video and it's also the very first Shogi game I've ever watched and I started my game in the exact same way Habu started his game, 7G to 7F then 2G to 2F, what a coincidence lmao
Now i feel like im 5years old again watching my uncles play chess on serious note if shogi can have more recognisable pieces its definitely gonna be more popular
Mr.HABU won by the 5-b Silver (7:10)! It's so tremendous!! "DENSETSU-NO 5-2 GIN" means "The 5-b Silver of the legend"! Not only Mr.HABU but Mr.KATO is a great SHOGI player. He challenged to the Grand-Master title (MEIJIN) when he was 20 years old. "20 years old" is the youngest record of the challenger. By the way, he likes cats, and he is a Roman Catholic.
I honestly have a really hard time recognizing the pieces. I think part of chess' success is that it's so easy to see what every piece does. Regardless, thanks for doing this in English, I'll try to learn this game by watching more videos and playing it online
It definitely makes chess a lot more available to foreign players, but for someone that can recognize kanjis easily this is just as easy to play as chess.
It comes way easier if you imagine that the piece looks like a picture of something, once you can recognize the pieces and where they go the game becomes really fun
It's part of the game. Shogi in its nature has to be less recognizable in order to show its uniqueness. The pieces cannot has its own color because your opponent has to be able to use it. It cannot be 3D because every piece can be promoted.
7:08 is the most famous move in Shogi. Gote(black) cannot capture this piece anyway because it blocks the way to escape King. 2:30 is also a notable move. It is the essential move for the Climing Silver Strategy that this sacrifice will pay off as you can promote pieces further. Gote's responses also regarded as the best moves.
NHK rebroadcast this game last week (they don't have new ones to show due to covid-19). I thought I had seen it on your channel before but it was really nice to see the original broadcast. Such a classic!
I installed the game two days ago. I outplayed 5th level so far (out of 16) and now I match 6th. It's getting really interesting. This is the first game I watched on UA-cam and this is exactly what I expect the hame of two professionals is going to look like (I have been playing chess for 35 years). Shogi is even more complex in my opinion, because of the drops, of course, it takes some time to get familiar with that, plus to get familiar with the pieces of course, but in general the game is pure joy! Right now, I try not to allow CPU to capture any of my pieces except pawns because I often overlook unpleasant droppings🤣 My approach so far is that I always pay heed I don't have a weak spot in my camp and that my opponent has nothing to drop...
Hello! I'm new at shogi so I don't really understand why Katou's King couldn't have moved up to the "A" row when trying to escape. Staying on the "B" row meant he had to resign, or be checkmated. But why couldn't he escape upwards?
This game is basically "IMPOSSIBLE, YOU WERE ALREADY DEAD?!?" Silver general that got dropped in the middle of the fray: "My death was greatly exaggerated"
R*4b isn't the final move of the mate. After K-6a, it's a simple mate by, for example, B*8c K-7a, B-7b+. I'm using "Gekisashi 6". No it doesn't have these famous games. I load the Kifu files to it.
"Ryuuou no Oshigoto! " brought me here. Seriously I just tried to watched that anime because of cute girls I watched on youtube clips but as time passes by, I'm starting to have an interest in the game Shogi because that anime is not just about lolitas, but the really main content is all about playing shogi.
I am a chess player. I can't tell if this is the case in all of shogi or if it is only specific to the opening, but it looks like the Shogi masters are developing without paying any attention to the center. Is it not principled to take the center shogi?
An year ago, and I don't even know all the rules of Shogi but basic common sense says that the center won't be important in Shogi. A couple of reasons why. 1) Shogi allows drops of captured pieces so you don't need central control to be able to access important areas of the board and nor can you restrict your opponent by controlling the center. 2) Shogi more than chess has many short range pieces so they won't be restricted as much as chess pieces which have enormous scope when optimally placed but can end up very cramped if you lack space.
Also... if Katou took Habu's dropped Silver with his Rook and then Habu dropped that Bishop, Katou could move his King to 3a instead of 4b. That way, even if Habu dropped a Gold or a Silver in the King's head, Katou could've defended it with the Rook. After that, maybe Katou's King could escape.
That can be countered by a bishop drop followed by a silver drop on 4a. The following moves will look like this. Bishop 2c, king 3a, silver 4a, rook 4b, gold 3b, rook 3b, silver promote 3b then checkmate. White can also try strengthening his defense with a silver drop instead of rook 4b, but that will give white the rook and a checkmate starting from a rook drop on 4a.
It's easy! You just need to learn to recognise 14 different pieces from characters on the top that you probably have no experience with and vary wildly between sets, then you have to associate each of those 14 with a different way of moving for each. Oh, and 6 of those pieces can only be accessed when they reach a certain part of the board, and also when you capture stuff it can be put onto the board again, but when you put them into the area where they turn into another piece you have to wait a turn, and also you don't have to turn them into that other piece when they reach that area, except for a few. Yeah, I can see how that would get confusing. It's fun though.
Honestly, I just marked both sides with the pieces initials so I didnt make mistakes with the characters xD Much easier and doesn't scare people off as much when they want to try it :P
Yeah many figuresin big shogi. But they don't have a drop (all eaten figures are gone -like in chess) After bloody battles - you can stay from small number of figures. Like chess Endspiel
Just wonder, isn't S*7b mate after K-6a? Rather than having to do B*8c K-7a then B-7b+? This is after the rook drop before the resignation. Maybe I missed something again?
As a 14 year old profesional chess player. This half logical and half confusing. But at the end of the day I hoop that I get better at shogi as well as in chess and also hoop it to be more popular.
At 3:59, after Katou advanced his Silver from 4d to S*3e, why didn't Habu take that dandling Pawn with his Rook? It would be R*1f. Was it because a pawn drop to 2f would imprision/surround his Rook and if not taken that pawn would promote at 2g, making it impossible for him (Habu) play G*3i to prevent Bishop promotion at 2h? It this was it, then... wow.
Because Rx16 B28+, the horse is too strong. When he plays R56 the threat of Rx53 is bigger than B28+ basically forcing K42 (bring the king closer to the attack)
Honestly i used to play a bit of chess and shogi with some friends in high school and, pretty much obviously since i'm not japanese, they prefered chess (even if for a time i only played shogi) Recently i rediscovered chess... But still i wanted to also see shogi so this was incredibly nice, interesting and nostalgic Also this was my first time properly seeing a competitive game of shogi, obviously me and my friends where beginners with no knowledge of how to play more competitively and so i really wanted to see someone who really know how to play shogi play it
My friends and I learnt how to play shogi in primary school, it was a great time. A few years into highschool and we were back into it again hahaha If you watch a lot of competitive games and learn some openings, you can actually get quite far. My friends were too lazy, so it took two of them to play against me at once to create a fair match 😂 great times. Have fun!
I imagine this is what people who don’t know how to play chess feel like when they watch a match.
prolly
Ik how to play both : p
Jajaja
YEAH
HAHAHA YES
just a chess player checking out shogi.
me too
Me four
me five
Me six
Yeah i don’t understand japanses
as your typical chess player i must say this is impressive and interestingly confusing
YES
It’s not as complicated as it looks. For me, it was easier to learn than western chess
@@sharjilmahir ye the fact that you can reuse the pieces that u took makes the game much more diverse imho
@@sharjilmahir complexity is not equal to quality though. I think they both look like they have their merits and I will admit, I am much more familiar with chess, but both games are incredibly complex to the point where you don't really want them to be any more complex as it would make them less playable. For example those certain board games which are 64x64. Who wants to play that? Anyway, I wish the pieces in shogi were a bit more distinguishable because as a newcomer it can be hard to tell what is going on.
Both games are very interesting though, but I feel like due to the more mainstream and global nature of chess that is where my heart lies. Of course there are people of all levels in both games, beginner to masters of the game, and I imagine it is as hard to master either one of the games due to the people trying to push the limits. For anyone who is more aware of shogi than me, I wonder if computers are having a growing role in the game like chess?
@ゴゴ Joji Joestar ゴゴ I didn't say that he did I was just saying what I thought.
''hello shogi fans'', I'm still learning how the pieces move...
Hello shogi fans, I'm still confused by the signs on the pieces.
7:08 Do I see it? No, I'm still learning how the pieces move.
Hahaha, forget "dropping silver", we're still dropping the game mechanics into our head! xD
Hahhahaahahahah cool
"-" means to move, and "*" means to drop.
This is amazing Hidetchi, i would had never seen this without you. I just saw shogi today.
Today I played my very first Shogi game, against a computer of course lol then an hour or 2 later I ended up watching this video and it's also the very first Shogi game I've ever watched and I started my game in the exact same way Habu started his game, 7G to 7F then 2G to 2F, what a coincidence lmao
Anyone watching to learn what and to see shoji for "March Comes In Like A Lion"
Yuppp
Rei uses a Yagura opening with knight on 3g and silver protecting the knight's head.
Climb silver..
SHIKAMARU
What a drag.
Was looking for a shikamaru reference
Was not disappointed
Now i feel like im 5years old again watching my uncles play chess on serious note if shogi can have more recognisable pieces its definitely gonna be more popular
some western sets do exist!
uncultured bigot. recognize the patterns
Mr.HABU won by the 5-b Silver (7:10)! It's so tremendous!!
"DENSETSU-NO 5-2 GIN" means "The 5-b Silver of the legend"!
Not only Mr.HABU but Mr.KATO is a great SHOGI player.
He challenged to the Grand-Master title (MEIJIN) when he was 20 years old.
"20 years old" is the youngest record of the challenger.
By the way, he likes cats, and he is a Roman Catholic.
I honestly have a really hard time recognizing the pieces. I think part of chess' success is that it's so easy to see what every piece does. Regardless, thanks for doing this in English, I'll try to learn this game by watching more videos and playing it online
It definitely makes chess a lot more available to foreign players, but for someone that can recognize kanjis easily this is just as easy to play as chess.
It comes way easier if you imagine that the piece looks like a picture of something, once you can recognize the pieces and where they go the game becomes really fun
It's part of the game. Shogi in its nature has to be less recognizable in order to show its uniqueness. The pieces cannot has its own color because your opponent has to be able to use it. It cannot be 3D because every piece can be promoted.
@@eprjct Okay but there's no reason to use kanji over simple pictures of bishops and silver generals etc
@@SwiftJusticethere is a reason which is kanji is more awesome
7:08 is the most famous move in Shogi. Gote(black) cannot capture this piece anyway because it blocks the way to escape King.
2:30 is also a notable move. It is the essential move for the Climing Silver Strategy that this sacrifice will pay off as you can promote pieces further. Gote's responses also regarded as the best moves.
Now I understand what 400 chess players feel like.
Imagine playing this game with the sharingan.
Lmao discovered this game cos of Naruto
Racist
Rinnegan
Who also come here after watch "the ryuo's work is never done"🙋
Idk why it inspired me
Me!
Hahaha
Very nice commentary and moves/tactics explanation - Thank you! :)
NHK rebroadcast this game last week (they don't have new ones to show due to covid-19). I thought I had seen it on your channel before but it was really nice to see the original broadcast. Such a classic!
Thanks you for your great work! I see all your videos! Dont stop. We all love you and your videos) (from Russia with love)
I installed the game two days ago. I outplayed 5th level so far (out of 16) and now I match 6th. It's getting really interesting. This is the first game I watched on UA-cam and this is exactly what I expect the hame of two professionals is going to look like (I have been playing chess for 35 years). Shogi is even more complex in my opinion, because of the drops, of course, it takes some time to get familiar with that, plus to get familiar with the pieces of course, but in general the game is pure joy!
Right now, I try not to allow CPU to capture any of my pieces except pawns because I often overlook unpleasant droppings🤣
My approach so far is that I always pay heed I don't have a weak spot in my camp and that my opponent has nothing to drop...
After two losses I made it to my first win against level 11 (in a 15 level scale)...
Katou is the 6th shogi player that became a pro in middle school
Just FYI, the shogi girl Hifumi Togo in Persona 5 is inspired by Hifumi Katou.
Damn shogi makes my head dizzy. I couldn’t even differentiate which is a piece and which is a pawn. But still this vid is interesting
This reminds me when i was watching naruto shikamaru and asuma
Well it’s the game so….
Hello! I'm new at shogi so I don't really understand why Katou's King couldn't have moved up to the "A" row when trying to escape. Staying on the "B" row meant he had to resign, or be checkmated. But why couldn't he escape upwards?
He would escape upwards e.g. to 6a, but next move would be Silver drop to 7b checkmate. Drop rule is extremely powerful in endgame.
9:17 How is the King in Mate? He can safely escape to 5a and 6a right?
from 2022
K5a, dropS6b checkmate
K6a, dropS7b, K5a, G4a, checkmate
This game is basically
"IMPOSSIBLE, YOU WERE ALREADY DEAD?!?"
Silver general that got dropped in the middle of the fray: "My death was greatly exaggerated"
I barely memorized characters with the japenese letters. In here I cant even see what the heck is this ?
Japon satrancı videosuna ingilizce yorum yapan taharret musluğu. İşte bu her gün görülebilecek bir şey değil.
@@emrekrlmaz8050 :D
They are Chinese characters, not Japanese characters.
@@monekamishiraishi1698 whatever as if I know chinese or japenese
@@monekamishiraishi1698 they're kanji, so kind of both
Take a peek after watching 3Gatsu No Lion
This is so much fun! Makes me want to learn it!
R*4b isn't the final move of the mate. After K-6a, it's a simple mate by, for example, B*8c K-7a, B-7b+.
I'm using "Gekisashi 6". No it doesn't have these famous games. I load the Kifu files to it.
Life if you understood what the spectator was talking about the king being on the run and predicted where the next piece would drop
at 8:53 bishop drop, cannot the night take ? and if so golden general 2b, king 4b and silver 5a or something ?
Knight cannot take because Shogi knights only capture forwards, unlike Chess knights.
as a chess player : ah, yes, zombie chess ! you may now summon your dead ennemies as loyal undead soldiers.
1:35
Asuma: DON'T DO CLIMB SILVER
コメント有難うございます。
米長さんが絶叫しているビデオもyoutubeに上がっているようですね。
正確には後手は「早繰り銀」という戦法のようです。
good job on this video i dnt even knw much shogi and i enjoyed that good commentating!
伝説の名手が英語で紹介されている。なんか感激です。それにしても楽しい動画ですわ。
Crazy how old this video is
"Ryuuou no Oshigoto! " brought me here. Seriously I just tried to watched that anime because of cute girls I watched on youtube clips but as time passes by, I'm starting to have an interest in the game Shogi because that anime is not just about lolitas, but the really main content is all about playing shogi.
Same, but for me it was march comes in like a lion. If you want a fantastic emotional anime about shogi it's the one.
I like shogi! I don't know much about it or chess but it seems a lot more aggressive than chess
Shogi chess is like regular chess but in 5D
As someone who plays Chess, I'm just like, "sure" for the entirety of this video.
This drop rule, breaks my mind as a classic chess player. I tried shogi but not my game, I prefer to switch to Go sometimes.
I am a chess player. I can't tell if this is the case in all of shogi or if it is only specific to the opening, but it looks like the Shogi masters are developing without paying any attention to the center. Is it not principled to take the center shogi?
An year ago, and I don't even know all the rules of Shogi but basic common sense says that the center won't be important in Shogi.
A couple of reasons why. 1) Shogi allows drops of captured pieces so you don't need central control to be able to access important areas of the board and nor can you restrict your opponent by controlling the center.
2) Shogi more than chess has many short range pieces so they won't be restricted as much as chess pieces which have enormous scope when optimally placed but can end up very cramped if you lack space.
This is so complicated, but so much fun!
And here I thought I was being weird for using chess terms in shogi
Love shogi.
8:52 Why can't he block this attack by dropping the gold he just captured? (After B@d1, G@c2)
L@g2
@@t4u664 Ah, I see.
Also... if Katou took Habu's dropped Silver with his Rook and then Habu dropped that Bishop, Katou could move his King to 3a instead of 4b. That way, even if Habu dropped a Gold or a Silver in the King's head, Katou could've defended it with the Rook. After that, maybe Katou's King could escape.
That can be countered by a bishop drop followed by a silver drop on 4a. The following moves will look like this. Bishop 2c, king 3a, silver 4a, rook 4b, gold 3b, rook 3b, silver promote 3b then checkmate.
White can also try strengthening his defense with a silver drop instead of rook 4b, but that will give white the rook and a checkmate starting from a rook drop on 4a.
@@youhyunnam9426 Wow, true! I tested it and you're right. Nice vision! Thanks, man. Really appreciate your insight.
My favorite shogi opening is quick ishida attack
I don't understand the part where the discarded piece is taken back into the game 🤔🤔🤔
"REVIVE BITCH I'M NOT DEAD"
- Dropped Silver General
名局を英語で解説、とても面白いですね。
途中、2:12のfortail って単語が判らなかったけど、
ひょっとして「十八番（おはこ）」を意味する"forte"の事ですかね？
+retireman777 ちょっと違いますね、「fortail」ではなくて、「forte」の言葉でした。「fortail」は言葉ではない。「forte」というのは「特長」とか「お株」みたいな意味です。昔、ラテン語の「fortis (= 勇壮な)」はイタリア語の「forte (=強い)」になりました。そこから英語で借用語になりました。
+RnBandCrunk ですから、私は「十八番（おはこ）」、つまり「お株」や「得意技」を意味するforteのことですか、とわざわざ質問した訳ですが・・・？
+retireman777 ま、あなたが言ったとおりに「forte」の事でしたね。正しかったです。
Thank-you upload shogi videos.I'm leaning about shogi for english.I'm from LA.
great video
I understand the power of edo tensei now
The software of this game could have at least color coded each player's pieces lol.
Then how are you gonna drop a piece don't be silly it's simple
The only indication is the pointed ends. This is because the captured pieces can be used as your own piece; thus no colour difference.
Uhhh piece drop is gonna be a pain in the rear-end if they do that
Nice ,i can learn great moves here
Отличное видео.
awesome as always, but can't there be K-6a when R-4b?
what's the program on which you show these games? does it have this "famous games" already? ;)
Me watching 12 years later
chess players: it's a chess but moves are illegal
Shikamaru has entered the chat
I'm watching the is after this anime
:The ryou's work is never done
If S*7b, then K-5a,
followed by other mates with B*6b or G-4a.
Anyway, it's mate in 3 moves.
I have no idea what’s going on since I don’t know how to play shogi, it’s still interesting to watch
Yeah.. my brain almost blew up watching this so, i'm going to stick to chess.
J OnWAFW omg me too xD but i wish i could understand it
It's easy! You just need to learn to recognise 14 different pieces from characters on the top that you probably have no experience with and vary wildly between sets, then you have to associate each of those 14 with a different way of moving for each. Oh, and 6 of those pieces can only be accessed when they reach a certain part of the board, and also when you capture stuff it can be put onto the board again, but when you put them into the area where they turn into another piece you have to wait a turn, and also you don't have to turn them into that other piece when they reach that area, except for a few.
Yeah, I can see how that would get confusing.
It's fun though.
Honestly, I just marked both sides with the pieces initials so I didnt make mistakes with the characters xD Much easier and doesn't scare people off as much when they want to try it :P
If you think this is hard, try Taikyoku Shogi
Yeah many figuresin big shogi. But they don't have a drop (all eaten figures are gone -like in chess) After bloody battles - you can stay from small number of figures. Like chess Endspiel
In shogi my favorite opening is side pawn picker.
Just wonder, isn't S*7b mate after K-6a? Rather than having to do B*8c K-7a then B-7b+? This is after the rook drop before the resignation. Maybe I missed something again?
Perhaps
I just found out about this game today.
You mean at 7:38?
If White block with Knight, Bishop can take.
King cannot take Bishop back because there is Lance on 27.
Game is such a drag
ha reference
And, and when writing moves - does "B*8c" differ from "B-8c"? * and - mean sth. different? ;>
@HIDETCHI What is the music playing?
Welcome to 2021
Shikamaru
This is like Bughouse chess with more complicated rules ;-; so interesting though
Is Katou the person featured in the N64 video game?
Why did Katou not drop a piece to block the final Bishop check ?
Bexause the Bishop will just take it and promote. The lance is covering.
0:53 so when he challenged the meijin, did he win?
no
As a 14 year old profesional chess player. This half logical and half confusing. But at the end of the day I hoop that I get better at shogi as well as in chess and also hoop it to be more popular.
I want to play those game but i don't no which one is bishop which one is what
7:10
伝説の☗5二銀
紹介してくれてありがとう
Is anyone else here just because you have an interest in chess but Shikamaru came through or just me?
Game rules r simple but i am getting as to which piece is which
Pawns in front of their king
NANI!?!?!?!
At 3:59, after Katou advanced his Silver from 4d to S*3e, why didn't Habu take that dandling Pawn with his Rook? It would be R*1f. Was it because a pawn drop to 2f would imprision/surround his Rook and if not taken that pawn would promote at 2g, making it impossible for him (Habu) play G*3i to prevent Bishop promotion at 2h?
It this was it, then... wow.
Because Rx16 B28+, the horse is too strong. When he plays R56 the threat of Rx53 is bigger than B28+ basically forcing K42 (bring the king closer to the attack)
it seems an interesting game but I didn't recognize pawn, bishop, silver general, etc.
wouldn't it be better if all the pieces have different shapes?
Honestly i used to play a bit of chess and shogi with some friends in high school and, pretty much obviously since i'm not japanese, they prefered chess (even if for a time i only played shogi)
Recently i rediscovered chess... But still i wanted to also see shogi so this was incredibly nice, interesting and nostalgic
Also this was my first time properly seeing a competitive game of shogi, obviously me and my friends where beginners with no knowledge of how to play more competitively and so i really wanted to see someone who really know how to play shogi play it
My friends and I learnt how to play shogi in primary school, it was a great time. A few years into highschool and we were back into it again hahaha
If you watch a lot of competitive games and learn some openings, you can actually get quite far. My friends were too lazy, so it took two of them to play against me at once to create a fair match 😂 great times.
Have fun!
It's such a drag!
I appreciate the moves but I can't put it into practice because I lack experience
You're right. I didn't see the Lance.
The climbing Silver maybe ill try that tactic.
11年前か😲
Me here after watching shogi related anime (Ryuoou)
Insane
A man named *Hifumi*
Who's good at shogi.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
Shikamaru has entered the chat*