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Tips for beginners #1 (greedy is bad)

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  • Опубліковано 24 жов 2022
  • Short and on topic, easy tips for shogi beginners. Today we start with openings, double static rook trap.
    Shogi Harbour is Ladies Shogi Professional Player, who enjoys teaching shogi.
    Watch us live: / shogi_harbour
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 105

  • @codybagelstein2235
    @codybagelstein2235 Рік тому +57

    These Guides are extremely helpful, I’ve been playing in Osaka but so far it’s hard to improve given the skill level differences and some of the old clubs have racist owners

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому +38

      Aw, that is sad to hear. I want to see their faces when you suddenly upgrade your shogi and start beating them!

  • @rogueshadoww
    @rogueshadoww 11 місяців тому +7

    I just started playing shogi and this entire series is very insightful for learning early game and castling. Thanks!

  • @moleSG
    @moleSG Рік тому +14

    This is a great video, I love the 'opening principles' style for beginners, it's great as an inexperienced player coming to shogi from chess!

  • @RolandTitan
    @RolandTitan Рік тому +16

    Yooo a video? I hope this trend continues.

    • @aanon4019
      @aanon4019 Рік тому

      you know what they say, one point makes a trend

  • @Saadis666
    @Saadis666 6 днів тому

    It seems like a simple thing to see, but here I was trapped many times without a way to understand how I could survive. Now, because of your video, I stopped losing repeatedly. So thank you very much for sharing! :)

  • @martyomano
    @martyomano 2 місяці тому +4

    Kiriyu adventures introduced me to this world. The worst thing for me is reforming my knowledge about chess.

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  2 місяці тому

      Chess knowledge can be helpful but yeah... Pawns are not the same

    • @martyomano
      @martyomano 2 місяці тому

      @@ShogiHarbour yeah shogi is much more. Something apart from what I know about chess.

  • @jesuslovesyoujohn314-21
    @jesuslovesyoujohn314-21 8 днів тому

    I was looking for a guide on how to play Shogi, thank you!

  • @n45a_
    @n45a_ Рік тому +4

    Finally a good video that doesnt go straigh to all of the openings w/o explaining what eatch move does.

  • @unoriginalwarden6315
    @unoriginalwarden6315 4 місяці тому +2

    Just started my shogi journey, looking forward to watching this whole series 😁

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  4 місяці тому

      Welcome :) don't forget to check out discord

  • @marianopennisi3060
    @marianopennisi3060 4 місяці тому +2

    Great job, Karolina! I love your videos! :)

  • @thevaf2825
    @thevaf2825 2 місяці тому

    Thank you for the lessons. I've started learning Shogi a week ago and eventually today I managed to beat lichess lvl1 :)

  • @guildardaze1438
    @guildardaze1438 Рік тому +6

    thank you so much for your work. I was interested in learning and got back into chess. The main difference was that i can't read kanji and its hard to read shogi related articles and know who can actually give good advice. Seeing and getting the reasoning behind some things.
    Im very happy i stumbled onto your channel. Hopefully will be able to learn more about it and enjoy it more.
    Also im curious. after you learn more and the rules (me). Do you think we should study more end game moves?Or maybe more middle game. As shogi can be rather long if the players don't make any progress and are too persistent... Opening is brief but it can be quite the long game at times.
    I'll keep watching your videos and maybe in 4 months will have better questions

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому +2

      Thanks you so much for your kind words!At first.. Practically speaking you will need little of everything. You cannot lose immediately in the opening, nor blunder in the middlegame. If you manage to survive to endgame, understanding how to win the game, how to checkmate will be most crucial as it will directly influence game outcome. So in later stages of learning endgame should be your focus.

  • @Inixtheguy
    @Inixtheguy Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video i love shogi but was lacking knowledge,this vid helps a bit

  • @sovietblobfish
    @sovietblobfish Рік тому +7

    i think its great that you're making this content aimed at beginners, i hope you continue making these videos

  • @DanielDugovic
    @DanielDugovic Рік тому +2

    Thanks, I updated my Lishogi study.

  • @crashfish4
    @crashfish4 23 дні тому +1

    I need these to 100% the yakuza series

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  23 дні тому

      Which yakuza game is it? Maybe i should do a tutorial haha

  • @TheSlimeRimuru
    @TheSlimeRimuru 11 місяців тому +1

    Today I decided to learn shogi and I hope to get good with it

  • @M4Unknown007
    @M4Unknown007 Рік тому +2

    Picked up this game about three years ago and learnt to play by myself

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому +1

      Great! How did you do that? Books?

    • @M4Unknown007
      @M4Unknown007 Рік тому +1

      @@ShogiHarbour by playing the game

    • @M4Unknown007
      @M4Unknown007 Рік тому

      Kept the lines on a phone game for a year or so and started playing.without the lines. But learnt the game through trail and error not to many people in tha U.S know how to play. Only one that I know and I taught him so trying to start a trend back home have everyone playing

    • @M4Unknown007
      @M4Unknown007 Рік тому

      @@ShogiHarbour but Naruto is the reason I started lmao well shikamaru

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому +1

      Cool, I started with Naruto as well! We actually have few Americans on our server, if you are interested!

  • @user-zz8sq5vv9c
    @user-zz8sq5vv9c 2 місяці тому

    Great video! very helpful and coming from advanced level chess I can (I hope!) understand the ideas but my main problem is fully remembering the pieces... any tips?

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  2 місяці тому

      Use an alternative set in the beginning, for kanji use funny correlations to remember

  • @mattmccleskey9598
    @mattmccleskey9598 8 місяців тому +1

    Need this for the yakuza games

  • @TommyLikeTom
    @TommyLikeTom 8 місяців тому

    I literally had that exact move sequence with the pawn drop in front of the trapped bishop in my lichess game against level 1 right before I came to this video

  • @MarianoPennisi-SL-Argentina
    @MarianoPennisi-SL-Argentina 4 місяці тому

    Bravo, Karolina!!! Me encantó este material. Muy buenas todas tus explicaciones!!!

  • @jowilson5581
    @jowilson5581 Рік тому +1

    Horsey Strong. got it. hahaha

  • @genekisayan6564
    @genekisayan6564 11 місяців тому +1

    It took me a while to learn the basics of chess theory but this video definitely killed the remaining neurons in me left to be dedicated to board games 😅😅

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  11 місяців тому

      Welcome shogi zombi. Now you know why all of us crave new brains.

    • @genekisayan6564
      @genekisayan6564 11 місяців тому

      @ShogiHarbour what really strikes me is that in chess, the bishops are always on their respective diagonals and never change them until the end of the game. But here, the fact that a bishop can be captured and then placed back to white squares, although the opponent has already one in the white squares, is just so unusual. The promotion system to the third before last rank in the opponent's territory, the generals that act almost like the king and the pieces that can be put back at any place. All those elements genuinely make shogi 100 times harder than chess, and I am scared of imagining the amount of calculations needed at a pro level

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  11 місяців тому +1

      Let me add that promoted bishop can change diagonals too.... haha and pawn forward capture is confusing for chess players!

    • @genekisayan6564
      @genekisayan6564 11 місяців тому

      @@ShogiHarbour As a grandmaster said once, pawns are the soul of chess. The fact that they capture diogonaly allows them to support each other, and either force the players to be in closed positions or open up everything. Which completely changes the dynamics of shogi as I feel that everything is much more linear with front pawn captures and the lances.

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  11 місяців тому

      @genekisayan6564 yeah and you have new tactics like sacrificing a pawn and dropping behind... no positional play I'd say

  • @kennethshiro9500
    @kennethshiro9500 5 місяців тому +1

    after years and years of cheating to get thru shogi in the Yakuza series, I actually tried to play for real and now it's got its hooks in me. But it's still so frustrating. it's so easy to get into a stalemate.
    attempting to figure it out myself with no instruction is really fun (it's a lot like solving a puzzle) like I figured out the defense you showcase here on my own. but i quickly get to a point where i'm like "wtf do I do now?", anyway I got to the 6th kyu ai and it seems I've hit a wall.

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  5 місяців тому

      Sorry, by stalemate you mean?
      I always welcome you to share your games on discord where i can take a look and give you pointers!
      And welcome to real shogi :)

    • @kennethshiro9500
      @kennethshiro9500 5 місяців тому

      @@ShogiHarbour Oh stalemate = everything is covered on both sides and I just have no idea where to move.
      lol i'd be nervous about posting my games because it's clear I have no clue what I'm doing. Still just playing AIs, I'm up to the "6th Kyu" ai

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  5 місяців тому

      No need to be nervous, we all were at that level at some point, including myself!

  • @Gabzilla27
    @Gabzilla27 10 місяців тому

    Loving the videos!9

  • @highland3259
    @highland3259 Рік тому

    good video I hope you grow really fast

  • @angryTOAD-88
    @angryTOAD-88 10 місяців тому

    Here … my place … the beginner playlist 😮‍💨

  • @DanielDugovic
    @DanielDugovic Рік тому +3

    Thinking again, perhaps better than "greedy is bad" might be "greed is risky" as occasionally greed can be useful.

  • @albertoroldan7064
    @albertoroldan7064 Рік тому +2

    Thanks for the video. It would great if you can keep up the rhythm… 😊

  • @plrc4593
    @plrc4593 2 місяці тому

    Witam rodaczkę.

  • @ariace3602
    @ariace3602 3 місяці тому

    Okay time to dive in hachi wan style

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  3 місяці тому +1

      Bubbles bubbles

    • @ariace3602
      @ariace3602 3 місяці тому

      @@ShogiHarbour salam, how did you discover shogi? I'm here because of a manga

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  3 місяці тому +1

      manga as well naruto

    • @ariace3602
      @ariace3602 3 місяці тому

      @@ShogiHarbour wow you're cool

  • @sunnyday-11
    @sunnyday-11 Рік тому

    Whats the promotion things about? When u flip the thing and becomes red(?)

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому

      Depends on piece set, can be red or black. But the general idea is that promotion evolves the piece into a new / or stronger one!

  • @flaviorogledi1937
    @flaviorogledi1937 Рік тому

    She baccccc🥺🌈

  • @KnightOfTheGoods
    @KnightOfTheGoods Рік тому

    At 1:42 why does Sente have to take Gote's rook pawn? Can't they do exactly what you said and drop a pawn to attack the bishop immediately? Then they would be faster right?

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому

      They don't have a pawn in hand at that point? They can of course go back and defend bishop's head instead.

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому

      But then we have p24 px g78 r84 and we lost pawn for free.

    • @KnightOfTheGoods
      @KnightOfTheGoods Рік тому

      @@ShogiHarbour I mean instead of Px86 can't Sente just play P*23?

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому

      Ah this one. Then we can make a tokin Px87+ Px22 Sx and Sente is out of pawns and no immediate good use for bishop. It is of course a complex variation as well, but Gote is one move ahead.

  • @pawelzygmunt5529
    @pawelzygmunt5529 3 місяці тому

    What's the name of the site/app where you analyze the game?

    • @pawelzygmunt5529
      @pawelzygmunt5529 3 місяці тому

      Forget the question, now I see its 81 dojo :)

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  3 місяці тому +1

      I also recommend lishogi.org :)

    • @pawelzygmunt5529
      @pawelzygmunt5529 3 місяці тому

      @@ShogiHarbour Thank you :) Wow, it's lichess branch for shogi. Didn't know that!

  • @shravanburagapu8364
    @shravanburagapu8364 Рік тому +1

    Hail Nara Shikamaru!

    • @shravanburagapu8364
      @shravanburagapu8364 Рік тому

      I found your channel through one of Joey Bizinger's videos. I am a complete beginner in shogi and it seemed fascinating ever since I saw Shikamaru playing in Naruto. your teaching style is very nice, I am going to follow you now. Love from India.

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому +1

      Welcome :) I also saw it in Naruto first. Please enjoy shogi!

  • @ShogiDojoLyon
    @ShogiDojoLyon Рік тому

    😃

  • @JacksAnimations
    @JacksAnimations 9 місяців тому

    lichess just made lishogi so im here😅

  • @DarkThomy
    @DarkThomy Рік тому +3

    To be fair, people below 1 dan rarely know more than the first few jouseki moves to punish correctly...
    ..and if you, on the other hand, prepared for this weird opening variation, there is a good chance for an easier game x')
    But that's beside the point of the video, and not a very good advice, I understand x)

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому +1

      Well, that's why I am showing you those few moves! :D

    • @DarkThomy
      @DarkThomy Рік тому

      @@ShogiHarbour (I can even specifically say that the rook exchange near the end is where most people make a mistake.
      The more natural ,yet bad, move is to take the rook with silver.)

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому +1

      True, but didn't want to complicate it ;)

  • @FruitbatEnjoyer
    @FruitbatEnjoyer Рік тому

    Is this a website for shogi? Or a program? Can I get the name

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  Рік тому +1

      Website is playshogi.com, while the app is on Android and only available for testers on discord for now.

  • @user-ny5py1so4j
    @user-ny5py1so4j 4 місяці тому

    How to downlaod that app pleasee

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  4 місяці тому

      81dojo? It is a website, 81dojo.com

    • @user-ny5py1so4j
      @user-ny5py1so4j 4 місяці тому

      @@ShogiHarbour so I cant download it to play offline and play with ai not a person?

    • @user-ny5py1so4j
      @user-ny5py1so4j 4 місяці тому

      @@ShogiHarbour how about apps for pc so I can play more levels and other challange like a chess app for android or pc or iphone

    • @ShogiHarbour
      @ShogiHarbour  4 місяці тому

      Oh this one is only vs humans but if you Google shogi or in Japanese 将棋 you might find some! Online ai good for beginners i would recommend piyo shogi or lishogi.org :)

    • @user-ny5py1so4j
      @user-ny5py1so4j 4 місяці тому

      @@ShogiHarbour ow why I can't play offline HAHAHHA that unfortunate

  • @s.m.samidhassansazin1349
    @s.m.samidhassansazin1349 3 місяці тому

    What app do you play in?