Shogi Openings: Demon Killer

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  • Опубліковано 25 жов 2024

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  • @bluenosaurus2720
    @bluenosaurus2720 3 роки тому +249

    Chess Opening: Sicilian Defense, Torre Attack, London System, etc.
    Shogi Opening: DEMON KILLER!

    • @edouardlorge4059
      @edouardlorge4059 9 місяців тому

      halloween gambit, frankenstein-dracula opening

    • @user-it4iz7pv1g
      @user-it4iz7pv1g 9 місяців тому

      There is also a Lady Killer Wham-Bam Rook Opening in Shogi

  • @DarkThomy
    @DarkThomy 2 роки тому +20

    Okay, some years later I now finally realise this is an opening that has better chance to work against good players actually, since they would react "normally" and then fall into the trap.

  • @lj1290
    @lj1290 6 років тому +321

    Shikamaru and Asuma brought me here

  • @demirdemirdogen
    @demirdemirdogen 4 роки тому +91

    I just started playing shogi. I realised that I use this opening without knowing it

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 років тому +40

    Hi.
    I'm glad that the opening picture drew your attention.
    I set up the position with my own board and pieces, and then took a picture of it. After that, I applied some graphical effect with my PC software.

  • @luxurious0346
    @luxurious0346 5 років тому +12

    Basically advanced tactical chess
    I like it
    I just wish there's a way to easily tell the pieces

    • @shadowflare2838
      @shadowflare2838 5 років тому +1

      i know chinese as my second language so lucky me i can understand the kanji

    • @Compturt
      @Compturt 4 роки тому +6

      Notice the notable characteristic of each kanji and differentiate them that's how I learned them

    • @chaotickreg7024
      @chaotickreg7024 Рік тому +1

      Recognize the King. Then learn the kanji for Gold, which happens to be the first half of Silver. Bishop looks unique, Pawn will also take a bit of memorization. Knight has a recognizable symbol on the right (similar to King?) Lance looks unique. I can't remember promoted pieces yet though.

    • @cedricmichaud552
      @cedricmichaud552 Рік тому

      ​@@chaotickreg7024 Promoted pawns have a unique hiragana (simple symbols) promoted silver generals have a gold general symbols, the other minor promoted pieces like promoted lance and knight should also have unique symbols, major pieces like promoted rooks and bishops are bigger pieces in comparison and both also have unique symbols that make them not that hard to differenciate from one another, but yeah it takes a little more time than chess to know all these pieces. For me to find silver and gold, I realized that gold kanji looks like a house, and silver looks like a house and an apartment side by side, lance kanji looked like a lance or like a cannon from the sky, knight has a unique symbol that I wouldn't mistake with any other one, rook has a kanji that has almost the form of a square, and the bishop's kanji looks like a brick tower with a wooden rooftop to protect from arrows. I kind of made associations between the symbols and what it looked like to me.

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 років тому +24

    Then demon killer trap won't work. It's just a opening trap, not a strategy in the first place.

  • @brianscalabrine2225
    @brianscalabrine2225 3 роки тому +3

    His english got so good lmao, I wonder where he is now

    • @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934
      @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 3 роки тому +2

      He's too busy with his work, nothing special
      He's trying to keep in touch with fans tho, he contributes to ShogiHub

  • @miahickman428
    @miahickman428 Рік тому

    Rei Kiriyama introduced me more into shogi😊

  • @FaheemKudo
    @FaheemKudo 11 років тому +3

    i used to play this a lot when i first started

  • @龘䨺
    @龘䨺 4 роки тому +3

    the only shogi move i know is
    move pawn g-7 to f-7

  • @metalbronys7447
    @metalbronys7447 4 роки тому

    This is an interesting and agressive opening trap, If the oponent do not play correctly

  • @mulraf
    @mulraf 6 років тому +10

    wait. i'm just a few days into shogi. i get the tactics you're explaining by now but 5:07 why is it that you draw the conclusion of a loss because the enemies dragon is in danger? 7:19 same for the knight. it's only a defeat after the enemy got the king so why is it inevitable that you will get the king after you got one of those :?
    (oh and 3-gatsu no lion brought me here)

    • @martinzhang5533
      @martinzhang5533 6 років тому

      Because it is what is called a outebisha, or fork in chess term, where the kaku is checkmating while threatening the ryuou, and as black need to move the king, white can basically take the ryuou for free and that is basically a hisha+kaku trade for gold and silver which is very very unfavorable.

    • @mulraf
      @mulraf 6 років тому

      but it's only 'very unfavorable' but not nessercarily a 'game over' right?

    • @nogizaka4679
      @nogizaka4679 6 років тому

      white has two rook and two bishop, black don't have.
      That is game over because rook and bishop are very strong pieces.Black has no chance.

    • @sergiu2325
      @sergiu2325 5 років тому

      @@mulraf if you get a rook for free you cannot lose unless you do not play well from that point forward.

    • @tinus1429
      @tinus1429 4 роки тому

      mulraf it’s very difficult to lose after such a decisive move

  • @anhoquang8732
    @anhoquang8732 4 роки тому +1

    I thought that you can only promoted your piece when it comes to the last 3 lines. But as I saw, the bishop promoted in line d so I couldn't understand the last part of the video

    • @chriskelley7097
      @chriskelley7097 4 роки тому +1

      You can also place pieces in the last 3 lines, and they automatically promote as soon as the piece moves.

    • @anhoquang8732
      @anhoquang8732 4 роки тому

      @@chriskelley7097 Thank you for your comment. I didn't expect for anyone to reply .

  • @veritasalex4028
    @veritasalex4028 6 років тому +2

    Hi, I want to ask, in 5:50, if black makes the trade without moving the King, and promote bishop instead of the rook, it will thread both white's king and rook. And black can not only kill the oppent's rook and put his rook back to the game and promote to dragon.

    • @beardedboulderer2609
      @beardedboulderer2609 4 місяці тому

      the bishop fork by white is playable as soon as the rook takes on 7c. otherwise white still has defenders on 7c to take the horse if black takes with the bishop and promotes earlier

  • @kameronroger1403
    @kameronroger1403 6 років тому +1

    How would you move if white moves 4a to 3b after black moves knight to 8g?

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 років тому +2

    It's not that it's good for black.
    Black will play R-7h, but it's still OK for white. I mean it's still difficult.
    Anyway, since there is a much better way to deal with demon killer, white has no reason to choose that position.

  • @zchia
    @zchia 4 роки тому +1

    I came here because of the title and i didnt even play shogi...

  • @maxplanck6711
    @maxplanck6711 6 років тому +2

    Ajjaja el movimiento del diablo ajajja spg , es muy buena esa jugada pero vaya que tiene muchos huecos ajjaja

  • @TsumeteShougi
    @TsumeteShougi 14 років тому +2

    But what would happen if white moves Silver6b after Knight7g?
    Thanks!

  • @shogi4fun
    @shogi4fun 15 років тому +2

    Thank you very much.
    Now I understand the idea of Demon Killer.

  • @hanafuda4832
    @hanafuda4832 3 роки тому +2

    Can you fake a demon killer opening to gain an advantage?
    Is there an angel opening in Shogi? Just curious.

    • @dgtlsthlrd
      @dgtlsthlrd 3 роки тому

      It's not really an opening per se, more of an opening trap. A trap that the more experienced players who know this is a trap might punish you for.

  • @itsyourboynotmyth1219
    @itsyourboynotmyth1219 8 місяців тому

    What after the bishop exchange he plays 3c after you played 5e

  • @yere7851
    @yere7851 4 роки тому +4

    When I heard the three first notes of the intro music I thought it was an Undertale OST

    • @grayson8633
      @grayson8633 4 роки тому

      Uncultured swine😂

    • @soIatido
      @soIatido 4 роки тому +1

      Yere ok now i wanna make a koto version of once upon a time theme

  • @maindepth8830
    @maindepth8830 3 роки тому

    How do i distinguish between the lieces, thats where i am striggling the most

  • @sudarpitoekokapti9941
    @sudarpitoekokapti9941 3 роки тому

    Shikamaru n his teacher...azumaaa...whereee nruto

  • @reubenresuello4911
    @reubenresuello4911 2 роки тому

    Where can you buy a shogi board with english characters?

  • @MrBaloud
    @MrBaloud 6 років тому +1

    What if he plays gold b7 instead of b5

  • @이지은-u4l7k
    @이지은-u4l7k 3 роки тому

    This looks like kings indian in chess

  • @ereoizys8659
    @ereoizys8659 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks to shikamaru & shikadai im here

  • @sebastiananguiano1045
    @sebastiananguiano1045 4 роки тому

    What if after black pawn to 7, instead of attacking the knight white makes bishop exchange, then bishop drop to 5e?

    • @tinus1429
      @tinus1429 4 роки тому

      Sebastián Anguiano just drop bishop 8h again

  • @해누나
    @해누나 5 років тому +1

    いい戦法です

  • @gingeral253
    @gingeral253 Рік тому

    This line is so long for an opening trap

  • @annye783
    @annye783 7 років тому +2

    Hey man, thanks for all those tricks maybe you can be my master

  • @tristanmanzano9536
    @tristanmanzano9536 2 роки тому

    What do you need to do if he does'nt take the bait?

  • @dannyfoxboi
    @dannyfoxboi 6 років тому +1

    I basically already defend this while playing against the CPU on an app that I have. I'm pretty good at it, but still get my butt whooped by level 3 CPU... 3 is the highest. There's beginners and levels 1-3. I can beat up to level 2 CPU, but 3 is difficult.

  • @sirderp2558
    @sirderp2558 5 років тому

    I clicked coz the opening sounded cool

  • @DonLapa
    @DonLapa 7 років тому

    Great video!!
    @3:57 how can you check mate being black in that position?

    • @DarkThomy
      @DarkThomy 4 роки тому +1

      I suppose he says "game over" as in "now you're in lots of trouble" rather than litteral check mate

  • @carlosbrian1s
    @carlosbrian1s 5 місяців тому

    very good

  • @JohnRobeeVelasco-r9z
    @JohnRobeeVelasco-r9z 8 місяців тому

    It is use for beginners in shogi

  • @bonieslaw
    @bonieslaw 14 років тому +1

    what when opponent second move will be king on 5b and he will exchange bishop after you move with a knight?

  • @phoebustam
    @phoebustam 13 років тому +1

    In 4:11, why doesn't knight 8a takes the silver?

    • @johnkavulich7401
      @johnkavulich7401 8 років тому

      I think it's because white knight 8a takes silver, black night recaptures and promotes, threatening the king while reinforced by the black rook. Just a guess though...

    • @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934
      @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 5 років тому

      Because Black can take the Knight with the Rook and create a Dragon, and that Knight on 6e can capture on 5c to promote it, and White is in a bigger trouble because the King is exposed and the Gold on 6d is hanging

  • @weeb2432
    @weeb2432 2 роки тому

    HxH has brought me here

  • @Lunarakashi
    @Lunarakashi 2 роки тому

    Thank you

  • @hiro7964
    @hiro7964 5 років тому +1

    4:11
    Why dont the knight just take the silver?

    • @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934
      @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 5 років тому

      Because Black can take the Knight with the Rook and create a Dragon, and that Knight on 6e can capture on 5c to promote it, and White is in a bigger trouble because the King is exposed and the Gold on 6d is hanging

    • @hiro7964
      @hiro7964 5 років тому +1

      @@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 ohhh thx :)

    • @hiro7964
      @hiro7964 5 років тому +1

      @@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 didnt saw it earlier

    • @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934
      @aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 5 років тому

      @@hiro7964
      どういたしまして

  • @theophonchana5025
    @theophonchana5025 4 роки тому

    What's と金 (ときん)?

  • @akantorman1
    @akantorman1 5 років тому +2

    3:55 what‘s over?? How do you always assume it‘s so obvious? Most of your viewers are new to the game right?

    • @anonanon6764
      @anonanon6764 5 років тому +1

      I am not an experienced player, but my thoughts: Dragon is very dangerous in white's camp threatening both the rook and the gold. White probably goes R6b to try to save them. I think black should have a way to force a win here, but it is hard for me to work out as well. N7d threatens mate, but white probably takes it with his gold and then defends. Instead S7a threatens mate but R6a gets out of the way. Maybe R+7a. If he blocks with R6a 'S62 wins the rook for free still attacking the king. So block the rook check with a pawn drop and then maybe just take the lance looking to drop it next move against the gold and rook. Probably there is something stronger I am too weak to understand but black is definitely on the attack.

    • @robertwegner8962
      @robertwegner8962 4 роки тому +3

      He offers such a huge amount of great Shogi content - completely for free. Show some respect and gratefulness...

  • @JohnRobeeVelasco
    @JohnRobeeVelasco 5 місяців тому

    I am still studying this opening trap in shogi.

  • @tsm_mamad8780
    @tsm_mamad8780 Рік тому

    shootout to people who play shogi because of uncle iroh

  • @e.josesutama6842
    @e.josesutama6842 Рік тому

    Japanese fried liver

  • @Not_Chen
    @Not_Chen 5 років тому

    we fail the trap.... we loss the match :v

  • @nakmuay2727
    @nakmuay2727 3 роки тому

    man what a drag

  • @luckeky
    @luckeky 2 роки тому

    5:50

  • @ruthxk7844
    @ruthxk7844 6 місяців тому

    :) :) :)

  • @ula611
    @ula611 7 років тому +4

    shogi easy